Bioshock Infinite Is Songbird an Alternate Version of Booker Dewitt? | Bioshock Crazy Fan Theories!
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- Welcome back my Rapture Family to another brand new Bioshock video. In today's video, we'll be diving into a Crazy Fan Theory stating that Songbird is actually an Alternate Version of Booker DeWitt!?! What do you think?
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The way I think he may be songbird is when fink asks him to join him when he was in that movie theatre or bar with the curtain but instead of declining his offer he accepts it and he ends up being songbird because Booker from the start said that fink's could not be trusted
VADER 621 but songbird was already a thing when that was happening
What
Harold yeah I didn’t understand any of that shit either lol
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He didn’t die it seemed like he did but he woke up in his office all those other game plays you saw we’re just different dimensions in timelines
What I noticed is that there is a huge pattern here:
Booker had his daughter stolen from him and now Booker wants her back
Songbird had Anna (Booker’s Daughter) stolen from Booker (At least that’s what Songbird thought) and now wants her back
Comstock had Anna stolen from booker but this time Booker brung his daughter to himself
But all ended up dying the same way chasing after the same thing with the intent to protect Anna
Bioshock Infinite is pretty crazy huh?
And they all drowned
OK that is pretty insane
I just noticed
Booker drowns Comstock
Elisabeth teleports songbird underwater drowning him
And at the end Elisabeth's downs booker
Thy all drowned
I honestly grew very attached to Booker. It breaks my heart when he dies in infinite and burial at sea. I really hope he somehow comes back in future bioshock games
He doesn’t die in the end of the first game. If you watch the credits at the end there is a scene where Brooker wakes up back home and he opens Ana’s door cause she’s in the crib. There is a universe where brooker and ana live as a family.
@@pony_boi8409 so in other words bioshock pulls a marvel/dc with alternate universes
A bookerverse?
@@thegoldenpro0142 basically, have you not played the dlc called burial at sea
@@pony_boi8409 played it and completed it
@@thegoldenpro0142 it's bioshock infinite. How are you talking about it but unaware that it deals with infinite universes?
Would you kindly please make this a series. This franchise has left many questions in my head. Love your videos. Good luck
A man chooses, a slave obeys. OBEY!
(Sorry I'm two years late, I beat the remasters of 1 and Infinite a week ago. My entire search history is Bioshock and I now know almost everything. This franchise is everything to me).
Comstock knew about the AD brand, so maybe the Lutece's tried to rescue Elizabeth before in that universe with a different version of Dewitt like they did before in other universes (or perhaps that same one) and he failed and got caught by Comstock. They had plenty of tallies on that board for coin flips.
This was because all 122 bookers had died by the first vigor the lutece's give to him in the bar early in the game which gives you shield but the 123th booker lived
Now I really wonder if combstock had the brand AD hidden or removed. Did Booker have Anna after giving up on baptism or before?
I always thought Songbird is us, the player, because of how much we the player have IMPRINTED on Elizabeth the way he does. We want to protect Elizabeth as Songbird does, to the point that we end Booker DeWitt at the end of the game to set her free. But because we the player assumed the role of Booker DeWitt, who is also Comstock, that means we the player are Songbird, Booker, and Comstock!!! Everything is connected! My head hurts...
Every charecter has ideas of what is considered protecting Elizabeth, even the ideas we don't agree with.
Its too bad Songbird isn't just Booker from another timeline who also wanted his girl back and he agreed to this because he believed this was the closest he could be to her.
ToonGrin so Mark Meltzer 2.0
@@paigestubbs9718 that is exactly what I was about to say
I think it was supposed to resemble a bird bath for symbolic purpose, but what Comstock was drowned in was supposed to be a vessel for holy water in prayer blessings. The area they were in was one made for Comstock to pray in. This makes his drowning more ironic and fitting. He became Comstock thanks to a Christing, usually done using holy water from a raised vessel resembling like this; and died by one. Booker also died through a Christing..the one that would have resulted in Comstock. The only one who drowned but not in a christing or holy water, was songbird..however..he is a creature reborn from Rapture science so it only be fitting he die on the waters of Rapture.
Also that would be highly possible if the Booker Dewitt is Subject Delta theory is correct because the whole Rapture and Columbia is intertwined because the last bioshock after you piece everything together shows that a lot of theories are correct in their own ways but one thing is if that is Booker Dewitt in songbird why is he trying to kill himself and would that be the Booker Dewitt that we never got to play in the original bioshock infinite. Also why is one of the Dewitt in that universe and the other universes they took a tear into not in exsistants. Unless the law that we know in real life does not apply or can be explained to why both bookers are present in that dimension because the whole game revolves around real life philosophies.
Delta isn't Booker though. He was a guy named Johnny.
Some diver found rapture. Then the rapture news referred to him as 'Johnny Top-Side' and they turned him into delta to hide rapture secrets and for political stuff
Andrew Ryan is also an alternate Booker, but the way I see it is branches. You can change Comstock with Booker, but you can't change Ryan since it's a completely different branch. He's still "the man" variable.
Yes make this a series! Also, when will you be playing more bioshock?
Tomorrow night.
Originally, I was going to resume streams today. Unfortunately, I woke up to a very close friend who passed away today. Sorry guys, but I can't.
TheBioshockHub Sorry for your loss hope you feel better
She witnessed all of their “baptisms”. That’s what you are trying to convey. She is the water of every version’s absolution.
I always think songbird was made up from only booker,one never selling Anna and trying to get her back. these combination of actions made him unique and perfect for be bodyguard
Is the drowning thing really a coincidence?
It's definitely symbolic of destroying a false holy trinity
Nice video!
I'm still split between Constance and Booker. I won't go over some of the better known pieces that make me think Booker, as you covered many of them quite well, one extra piece of evidence that I was wondering about however is this: What about the version of Booker who is left knowing he had a hand in not only abandoning, but murdering his only child of his diseased wife? Comstock is, or was already crazy, and we can assume that he has the knowledge from the Twins that he can basically reach into any one of an "Infinite" number of tears to find another Anna-Elizabeth. *Enter the rabbit hole*
In Burial at Sea, you watch Elizabeth/Anna get decapitated as a baby which pretty much means that she is completely dead and gone in one universe. Since the Leutece Twins seem to be able to show up anywhere to "help" (After being murdered by Comstock, they seem to have gone from their mission of answering the universe's questions to helping people f*ck up the time space continuum/their lives) I wonder if Booker made some kind of deal with them to get to Columbia, and this particular one out of the however many tally marks there were denoting the attempts made by Booker ended up captured, tortured and brainwashed into Songbird.
I might have interpereted something different here than most Bioshock fans who compare the process of "Songbirdification" to becoming a big daddy... Although similar, I don't think the technology was developed or employed the same way between Suchong and Fink's designs. Suchong's method of developing big daddies was basically to splice the shit out of a guy, in most cases stripping them of voice, memories and personality AKA their former selves and then sealing them into a diving suit. We can call this the "medical" approach for reference.
Fink's lab features a torture room reminiscent of A Clock Work Orange, with restraints, monitors, cages and other nice things like these, which makes me think he used more of a "psychological" and mechanical approach to achieve his results... Whether it came from him not understand how to, or not having the technology and skillset available to him to completely change the person he was manipulating (Either unaware of all the affects/applications of ADAM, or uninterested in wasting what ADAM he had access to on experiments that might not work.) I think his lack of understanding/experience with ADAM, especially in context of genetics and the medical field is what resulted in the design flaw regarding Handymen Autobodies, he didn't quite know how to apply this new tool until he started devoting time and reseach to Songbird and whoever is inside it. I beleive he saw the Big Daddies through the tears and thought they looked like robo-boys, which Suchong allowed him to believe. Might be a talking point for the scrapped robot little sisters talked about in game.
ADAM could of helped adapt the person to their new body, being like "clay" when purposed for and applied to DNA/gene therapy... or even used to avoid much of the exosuit/autobody to begin with. Either way an individual might have adjusted better post procedure with the addition of ADAM therapy but this could also be the reason why Handymen don't seem to exhibit the same loss of humanity or sanity when compared to the Big Daddies or splicers of Rapture... he (Fink) was much more mechanically/industrially inclined and motivated VS. Suchong who we know as a genuis doctor, scientist and surgeon that could utilize peromones to control both Little Sisters and Splicers.
I think I read somewhere that Fink sourced his own seaslugs, but I feel like the reality is that the two scientists were exchanging resources and information through the tear as you hear an audio log of Fontaine all pissed off because they're burning through too many seaslugs and too much ADAM with the drinkable solution that "Suchong" proposed to Andrew Ryan, and this is cutting into his profits. I wonder if the Vigors actually require more ADAM or if there was just kind of a black market thing going on between both cities and the tears between them? Anyway, back to the topic at hand.
It's my theory that if Songbird might indeed be Booker, one that he was essentially tricked, forced or talked into undergoing this transformation by Fink to be with and protect his daughter who he himself accidentally killed as an infant in another universe. There is a scene where Fink outright asks Booker if he'd like a job as "head of Fink Security", I wonder if it's because he's impressed with his work or if it's because he knows what he's capable of, and he has successfully worked with one of Bookers alternate selves? We see a second piece of operational Songbird Armor... Whose to say the rest of it isn't being stored away somewhere? Was this intended as a potential fate for our in-game Booker perhaps? One Songbird for Comstock, one for Fink?
What makes me think it's NOT Booker is the lack of information we have about Constance, the girl who wanted to be friends with Elizabeth since she was a little girl plus what we DO know about her. We can assume based on there being like, two audio logs that something less than ideal happened to her... but what? Perhaps through the connections of the Leuteces (before they were murdered) she was getting help to sneak in and see Elizabeth, or was somehow otherwise roped into things and subjected to the experiments and eventually transformation by Fink as he had learned (one way or another) that she was totally devoted and obsessed with getting to meet "The Lamb" and would be potentially willing protect her. We can also assume that in order to produce enough ADAM to power something like that, that a seaslug would have needed to be embedded into the host before being sealed into songbird. This process only works with little girls, who turn into "little sisters" and eventually with age, become "unstable and confrontational", yet still protected their Little Sister counter parts... Also, Songbird brings Elizabeth books and toys and stuff while shes growing up in the tower.
Enter the scene where we see Elizabeth and Songbird together for the first time, when Elizabeth reconnects Songbirds breathing apparatus. Elizabeth states "He must have been in a fight or something", which I think is a device to throw people off... At this point in 2017/2018 he/she are literally just words lol. Anyway, I wonder if this was a final test to see if "Poject: Contance/Songbird" was successful or not, and the tube was deliberately removed which at that point left Songbird to instinctually fly to Elizabeth and hopefully bond with her before passing away.
Either way, we can assume whoever is in there that they were kind of "built in" to the body like a cyborg, or one of the Handymen vs. a Big Daddy which we can observe as much more biological/organic in nature than the giant winged beast we know as SB. I don't think the "genetic code" of whoever is inside Songbird was rewritten, as much as I think the ADAM was used to "power" the body that would control such a huge suit (think the battle against Fontaine) and sort of like Jack from the first game, had their memories and experiences created/corrupted in a lab as to meet theirs, or rather their creators purposes.
I think I need to take a break from your videos hahaha
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A few things I thought of while reading your comment.
I really doubt it's booker as songbird, I don't remember the luteces dealing much with fink personally, and combstock didn't like to share what he knew. Not sure how much CS and Fink talked about tears much though. But we also see how easy it can be to disorient and kidnap a booker later on in the end scenes of the game.
I think its more symbolic.
Father Booker
Son Songbird
Holy Spirit Combstock.
All drown. All had there own idea of how to help Elizabeth.
It's also fascinating that burial at seats Anna was killed, kinda denoting that the Elizabeth in BAS was probably not supposed to be there to kill combstock and it was all vengeance.
Infinite's booker was tied to his Anna, and the karmic debt from that booker was paid.
Going for rapture booker feels extra judicial in some regards.
Also he/she are more than words. I'm not really correcting you so much as cooking with what you brought up about the sisters and slugs being compatible.
Songbird gives off masculine energy, but could be a woman inside, and with what I said about Songbird being like Jesus (symbolically) and some lore possibly stating Jesus was a hermaphrodite, makes that so much more interesting.
This theory is pretty crazy! I never thought about that!
However I find it unlikely. Good job, anyway! ^_^
Love the theory, and the fact that it explains so much about songbird’s behavior including why he has such a grudge against booker. He hates the version of him that gave Anna away
Also... Sally Dewitt? I don't know, but this game is so crazy. Is Sally like Elizabeth's daughter?
She wants to save Sally's life whatever it takes.
Remember it was Elizabeth's idea to look for her.
Or maybe another daughter of Booker in the time he was in Rapture? Idk
PS: Bioshock 4 is confirmed
Im glad you made this.
I think it is all merely symbolic after thinking about it.
Father Booker
Son Songbird
Holy Spirit Combstock
Combstock, songbird, nor Anna would exist without booker ever having existed
Booker creator
The Son, song bird, made to lift people into the sky like his personal Rapture (ooo punny)
Holy Spirit Combstock, he can travel through time and space to effect the universe and perform ""great works"" and shares prophecies with his words.
I actually really love this symbology now that it's written out.
Love Your vids Dude pls keep it Up XD
Thanks Odin!
I'm guessing the song bird was just a Brain lung's and functioned like the handyman.
It is interesting how the Infinite DLC complete an entire about face for Suchong. In the earlier games and the Rapture novel, he tends to be at odds with Tennenbaum over the i.portance of genetics. Suchong starts but being very insistent on the science of mental conditioning being much more important in behavior results than biology. Tennembaum however urges that everything is in genetics if we only can crack the secret in how to alter then the right way. It is very much the argument nature versus nurture. Tennenbaum came from a hostile environment where she had to embrace apathy and scientific pursuit to survive. Her mentor was also obsessed with genetics but in the Third Richt's less scientific/more politely skewed manner. She grew to see humanity in general as specifments of natural genetic science but also viewed children in a more sympathetic manner for her own loss of innocence at a young age. Suchong was a child of a servant to a wealthy family with no cultural discipline since they could afford to act however they wanted. He saw all children as chaotic beasts for this reaosn a d looked down on any cultural structure did not meet his standards. We do see a slow reversal of both but much more on the side of Tennenbaum. Despite the genetic alterations into beasts, the little sisters still acted like little kids which haunted Tennenbaums guilt until she sheveloped into a fairly motherly person. She pivoted hard and became very focused on nuture over nature for the most part. She is showing that woth her treatment of the sisters, tries to reach out to Jack's best intentions and guides him to "become" a big daddy so the sisters will associate him with the positively conditioned figure. Further, if you do as she says and is good to the sisters, you get the good ending. She recognizes that you were never your father's son by your actions and that she suspects what you truely wanted was the family you got. If you hurt the sisters, you will get a variation of bad endings where you force her to make a relapse. She says she should have expected you would be cold and self serving, as you are your father's sons genetically. We know the cannon ending is the one where she becomes more focused on the importance of nature and returns to rapure to save the new little sisters as well as end the cycle of Rapture she helped create. Suchong on the other hand, was slowly seen to hesitantly embrace the success of genetic manipulation. He does continue to blend it with his conditioning practices but we never see him fully embrace genetics like Tennenbaum did with behavioral treatment..that is until the DLC. We see his attempts to condition the big daddies to pair bond with little sisters was not working and he fully embraced it as something only genetics could solve..which lead to the greatest irony of him being wrong in this case. Even if he had stuck to only mental conditioning practices however, it would likley not have worked. Suchong was very analytical in his methods, going more for pavlovian conditioning that affects basic automouse funtions on a cause effect basis OR a blend of that and genetic triggering respoces. Suchong was never sentimental and would not consider an emotional element playing imporance to the act. He may repeatedly try to trian the daddy's and sisters like domesticated animals, through reward and punishment, but would never consider a "team-building" exercise to be what was needed. In the end Rennenbaum much greater embraced the importance of nurture IN ADDTION to nature whereas Suchong doomed himself by typically seeing things in the maot simplistic and extreme manners. Tennenbaum was not only adaptable to new concepts but ran with them, recognizing contingent foreign concepts to her like emotional bonding holding significance in an organisms mental behavior beyond the chemistry aspect.
Also, you missed the point..it isn't that the oxytocin only works in certian realities but that Suchong and Fink were approaching the situation as cold scientist who believed it was the ONLY factor in bonding people. We know this is not the case and an emotional/interaction element also is important. If you spray amy random man and woman with the stuff, they won't hit the ground banging or start taking a mother/son role. The chemical invites the behaviors but won't cause ot on its own. It is when it is combined with the sentimental acts that the songbird bonds with Elizabeth and the Daddy's bond with the Sisters.
Elizabeth: "He's Zachary Comstock, He's Booker Dewitt"
The BioshockHub: "Booker is Songbird"
Me: Now I'm really confused here...
I'd say its definitely possible, and would make a lot of sense if this were the case. Too many variables line up for it to be a mere coincidence.
This would've been a great twist to the series
Technically Songbird kind of drowned twice one when you were escaping him after leaving the tower and then when Elizabeth drown them the second time
This is Very Nice
You didn't even talk about how in Bioshock 2 a couple of the big daddies were bonded to their actual daughters
It was only 1 and that was mark...
Sounds like a great series.
Songbird is Johnny topside
The fuck. Johnny topside is delta. Idiot
Can you do a video on the cults of bioshock universe?
Thanks for this theory. . .it blew my mind too even if this not true but those connection. . .and the oxytocin thing i didn't check that on game but learned what that means in this video
I hope you enjoyed the video nonetheless :)
@@TheBioshockHub i really enjoyed it. . .Im very glad that i found this channel. . .thank u
Legend lives on
Indeed.
I *LOVE* fan theories, and Bioshock is the one of the richest universes for them!
I like them too
After listening to your theory a second time, I have another theory of y own about Songbird. The idea is that all universes have the same people, just not the 'same' people. As Rosalind said, there's a Rosalind behind a mirror who is and isn't her. I personally think Songbird can't be booker, because Comstock is Booker. Instead I think that Songbird is Columbia's version of Elizabeth's mother, her real mother. Assuming Booker didn't have make Elizabeth with an alternate version of Lady Comstock, then taking the still living version of Elizabeth's mother, and then tapping into the genes that promote maternal protection of one's biological child, combined with the heavy gene splicing, brainwashing and cybernetic modifications, then I would think that would make sense for Songbird to be once another version of Elizabeth's real mother.
After finishing the game I wouldn't be surprise if every character ever is an alternative version of Booker. Even down to every splicer on original Bioshock
I don't think this theory holds any water. If Booker dying by drowning was one of the "constants" and the variable was the location, then the death of Rapture's Booker (from Burial at Sea) breaks this pattern. A more interesting pattern I think is that all of the protectors of the little girls have to die in order for them to be freed. Songbird is obvious, but the same happens to all big daddies you encounter (according to the canon version anyway). The same happens with Delta as well.
Me and my homie had this debate for like a sold 3 hours that I had to replay all bioshock infinite and burial at sea
What was the debate about?
Constants and Variables.
Constant... Booker dies drowned.
Variable... The version that it is being drowned and how.
I agree this is a possibility, but I'm pretty sure songbird himself was crushed by the water pressure? I always thought that anyway since his glass eyes cracked.
Partially that, but remember. Songbird uses a breather for Oxygen. He was partially killed by water pressure and partially killed because of the lack of Oxygen (drowning). It's a crazy theory, but it makes sense.
The future begins.
Dun dun dunnnnn.
I think booker from butral at sea at the ebd of episod 1 that anna cut her head of by ter he feel dead and Robert give him a chance to be with his daughter after him move into the ter lile what happened to booker in the beginning of infinite but he ended being a songbird
Song Bird is a genetically modified gorilla. It was seen in a scene in the game.
Best story fucking ever.
Bird bath** ~ it was a baptismal font
Best part of the bioshock infinite Ost was either the songbird Ost or you belong to me from burial at sea those are just my two picks
I really like Will the Circle be Unbroken? She has a really nice voice.
Yeah I know the whole soundtrack is so good it's hard to decide which is the best :o
Also this is a random side note but I hate it when people hate on bioshock 2 I thought it was a great game...
I really enjoyed it, but it's my least favorite of the 3. I still love it though and Minerva's Den was amazing. Much better than the base game.
Minervas den was my favorite thing in the game lol
Except for the 4th death at the hands of a Big Daddy, nothing really do do with drowning.
It does he is under water that is all that counts
im a little late but, songbird was never drowned.
He died because of the pressure of the water.
And in turn, ended up drowning
@@Brightblxck no. the pressure broke his things that keeps him alive.
its even on the wiki fandom shit or what.
" Crushed to death by the pressure of the ocean, Songbird accepts its fate as Elizabeth comforts it in its final moments."
bioshock.fandom.com/wiki/Songbird see for yourself
*Your* Booker
Is it possible songbird could be Elizabeth's mom?
That could be a potential possibility.
Really!?
How can songbird be Booker if there is already a Booker, in this case Comstock, in that universe? I’m sure if he was a Booker from another dimension, we’d tiny hints here and there
It was just a fan theory I happened to come across. I thought it was an interesting read and decided to share it with everyone.
Comstock already had access to the lutece device in order to bring alternate people through; that's where Anna came from. It's possible they could have just snatched up another booker in the same way.
I think songbird is a booker, so is fink, so is handsome jack, so is axton, so is subject delta, so is MASTER CHIEF AND LOCKE AND I AM AND YOU ARE AND HE IS AND SO IS KRIEG AND SO IS ANDREW RYAN AND EVERYBODY ELSE AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAGAGAHAHAGAHHAHAHAGZHZHSHAGAHAHAHAH!!!!!!
Booker DeWitt = Big Daddy
Mind blown.. I think it is very possible
Here's an idea!
What if Songbird is a alternate universe version of Subject Delta.
You have the best like to dislike ratio
I just try to make the best content I can. If people like it, awesome. If they dislike, I'll do better to make the next video that much better. :)
TheBioshockHub awesome
hi eric i'm eric lol
Hi Eric, I'm Erik! Nice to meet you
@@TheBioshockHub hi erik nice to meet u too
i am arbic
That's awesome!
omg
Omg what?
TheBioshockHub didn’t know what to comment but damn this theory does make you think
Ima gona stop commenting now bye
Maby songbird is the version of Booker that lost Anna as he was fighting with the Comstock from buried at see 1 that was taken and promised to see Anna again and then turnd into songbird
Yo, the thing Commstock is drowned in is called a font and they’re used for baptisms. So Commstock and Booker are both drowned in some kind of baptism setting - I’m not sure how that relates to Songbird though. There’s a case to be made that Songbird drowning in Rapture is a baptism parallel because the technology used to create them was made in Rapture, perhaps?
I think where the fan theory really compiled together that they must all 3 be related due to how they died, so I'm not 100% sure. Also, thank you for the baptism information, I didn't know that.
see this is why i fucking hate fan theories
they are all wrong and incorrect
considering that burial at the sea contradicts basically every bit of lore including songbird
i'd say he doesn't have a reason to exist other than gameplay one
First it was Booker is Comstock now it's he is the songbird, what's next? Oh I know...
BOokEr iS eliZaBEth
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This isn’t it chief
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