I think the sentry is got buff than a nerf tho. U can get 6 enggineer 1 enggineer can get 3-4 sentry. Also don't forget new sentry is having AOE. That made enggineer kinda op.
The turret and sentry was their own separate towers back then. That’s why he said engineer is the closest to sentry, especially considering that engineer sentries that get spawned ALSO has a wind up before maximum damage, just like our old sentry. Compared to the turret which doesn’t have windup and was generally different.
making balanced towers are harder than u guys might think. Like you made it stronger and people starts using it so u nerf it and they hate on u and if there is a bad tower u will waste time to fix it and have no time for ur update and people will hate u but ngl his updates take too long
yes turret you ARE a joke to elite, you cost alot have a bad place ment limit and even mini is better than you, they use you in like almost no stategys, as for mini is getting used in like every loadout
Those were the good days back when they still had 1 v.s 1 and the insane mode was amazing. I wish they kept it and just add fallen as a bigger mode or less difficult mode.
When you said “can the first loadout ever still beat fallen” I thought you would use scout and sniper as it’s the first loadout you get when you join the game
I started when TDS first came out of alpha around June 2019 and sentry didn't exist yet and we only had 9 towers lol. So the best unit was minigunner and commander before really. You can still win a fallen today in quad op with 4 guys running minigunners and CTA chaining.
@@creeperdash2967 I was referring to now where you can still beat fallen with 4 players on minigunner, also commander I believe came only a few days after release from memory so actually we did not have commander yet.
My First ever loadout that i’ve been able to do solo fallen with was G Mini, Farm, Dj, Commander, Ranger. I think it was Between 2020 Nov - 2022 Gold Perks update that it was possible
For everyone saying that turret is closer to to the sentry then engineer. Please take in mind the price and the fact that the Enginerer SPAWNS sentries
Engineer is closer than turret, the starting prices, the dps, the placement limits, engineer is the closer thing to sentry since engineer was made to replace sentry
everybody forgot the fact that insane mode in 2019 when the area 51 event came out it took 1 hour to beat insane mode with 8 people it was so hard but so fun at the same time :D
@@wot3167 engineer is a humanoid tower, yes it does build sentries which is close but a turret is literally the same thing as a sentry. BUT everyone has their opinions
Here's a better strat for anyone: use Commander Accelerator farm and Millitant place Millitant first upgrade it once and when unplaced it farm use comander place it down and save for acceleratot place next to commander and place more accelerators and commanders at different areas to protect this strat was made by me tell me if it works btw this strat could possibly work on fallen it works molten and gravediggrr
hey can u try to win fallen mode with only ducky skins? i have an idea for the loadout: early defense:soldier main damage:mini gunner,engineer support:commander,farm
Wait, so the sentry has more in common with the engineer than the actual turret?! Also the Turret is literally the first troop in his inventory so I’m. honestly confused.
two people already responded to this but turret and sentry were seperate towers back then (i think atleast) so engi would make more sense (also engi sentries have a windup like the actual sentry
cool youtube tip: type "before:(year) (something you want to type) in the search bar and you'll get videos before that year you typed. example: before:2020 tower defense simulator
"Engineer is the closest to sentry" Turret: you LIAR! This is just an excuse to just use Engineer. (Thank you for "N" to correct me. Also TheBuilderNoobYT Copied my comment nice 👍)
but how could engineer even build sentry if it cant attack ? also engineer will build sentries new to her , so it would make the sentries not utilize all of its range
- Turret is way worse than engineer - It's impossible to beat this *even with* engineer so using turret would only make things worse - Engineer spawns sentries which makes it closer to the sentry than the turret
"Engineer is the closest thing to the sentry" Turret: *A m i a j o k e t o y o u ?* Edit: Yo what the flip this is the fastest time i have ever gotten a reply on a YT comment-
I'll try and find the link, in the mean time you can do your own things or even help me find the video. Remember it's a low quality video with no audio.
I think switching to Golden Minigunner and changing Freezer and Rocketeer to Commander and DJ it would be a very easy challenge, but I get why you didn’t do that to keep true to the challenge.
Now can you do challenge use minigun tower only , support,farm, two tower that minigun but no golden minigunner just normal minigunner and turret that it turret have 120 dps
0:40 freezer and rocketeer used to be good, yeah i think the reason why they are the most garbage towers in the game is because of the loadout, the devs probably thought it was way too op and they made it trash, garbage, terrible, they got bullied, so on. just a theory idk tho
what about u use my solo molten loadout(wich still in test so i still cant beat the molten boss on any good map)use my molten loadout on molten since i think ur good at strategy i think u can do it my loadout:mini, medic, shotgunner, commander and farm
"The best early defense is your base,"-Elite
I mean…is he wrong?
@@fleetingfondmemoriez2898 nah he ain’t wrong at all
well it real
@@fleetingfondmemoriez2898 base is a place to put tower. Not tower
@@wcspp8494 that just made me losing more braincells.
Its sad how belownatural nerfed so many towers that you lost.
hi
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“Why everyone leave tds!1!1?1?1?1?1111 :( l
I think the sentry is got buff than a nerf tho.
U can get 6 enggineer
1 enggineer can get 3-4 sentry.
Also don't forget new sentry is having AOE.
That made enggineer kinda op.
@CvD Well it would sound even better if it was "yourself" instead of "you".
The turret and sentry was their own separate towers back then. That’s why he said engineer is the closest to sentry, especially considering that engineer sentries that get spawned ALSO has a wind up before maximum damage, just like our old sentry. Compared to the turret which doesn’t have windup and was generally different.
nice you play plants vs zombies that was my childhood game
@@plingmustafa6406 what does that have to do with their comment though, im just confused
Don’t know why you said childhood, it’s my life.
"🤓" (this is a joke btw)
@@waterdog961 pfp
i think rocketeer will make the comeback when he gets his own rework, definitly faster firerate and your splash damage radius
Yes
what about freeer
@@acceleratorgaming3320 wow freer is gonna get reworked?????
Wowoowkwokwowososoowowowowowowowowoowwoowow
Btw freezer
Yeah rocketeer is really unbalanced in its current state
making balanced towers are harder than u guys might think. Like you made it stronger and people starts using it so u nerf it and they hate on u and if there is a bad tower u will waste time to fix it and have no time for ur update and people will hate u but ngl his updates take too long
"engineer is the closest to sentry"
turret: am i a joke to you
I know right that’s real true turret is the closest to sentry
That's the only reason I checked the comments
Turret is literally a turret wit heavy damage
yes turret you ARE a joke to elite, you cost alot have a bad place ment limit and even mini is better than you, they use you in like almost no stategys, as for mini is getting used in like every loadout
@@DaRealMcNugget no turret has way higher dps than mini
Fun Fact: Engineer has same price as Sentry (750)
Cool
Ur right but he atack
New sentry: but i dont have hd i cant kill hidden and shadow and hidden boss, shadow boss
czcams.com/video/RsYlgiF-reA/video.html
Wow
Elite: engineer is the closest thing to sentry
Turret: Aight I’mma head out.
lol
but engi have cost of 750 same as sentry
It spawns sentries its much more closer
The full raw sentry
@@jeffreyyabut8774 but it’s human and sentries are only 1 tower and engineer *can*be 5 towers/4 units and 1 tower
"Engineer is the closest tower to Sentry"
Turret : *EMOTIONAL DAMAGE*
turret is sentry's brother, while engineer is sentry's mother
Engineer spawns units called sentry so they’re closer.
@@WhittyWhitts that doesn’t mean anything
@@WhittyWhitts ok but sentry was its own tower and so is turret the sentrys engineer spawns are just units
He probably picked engineer rather than turret because he wants an advantage.
2:07
He's a year ahead of us 😱
almost: "aight imma head out"
Those were the good days back when they still had 1 v.s 1 and the insane mode was amazing. I wish they kept it and just add fallen as a bigger mode or less difficult mode.
@@matthewjordan3691 no lmao
Bro, you just got nostalgia blinded
lol tds looked like some google game made in 2009 with its old tower models lmao
I been waiting for an upload lol!
ur video ideas get stranger and better
This was cool. I remeber that old tds, our level would be added to base hp ( meaning that if you had a level of 93, you would have 193 (100+93) )
Yea it’s too busted if it’s for high levels, for me it’s gonna be 395 hp🤣
My base hp will be 352 on old tds💀💀💀
I would have 752 base hp lol
@Mage Accelarator gaming I grind 24/7 lol
for me it would be 400+ LOL
When you said “can the first loadout ever still beat fallen”
I thought you would use scout and sniper as it’s the first loadout you get when you join the game
in old tds, there was only one starter tower, which was SCOUT. (just letting you know)
@@noobgamerreal234 which was NOOBODYD CUF-O9SNHXGYA IGGY PWUE KFC JSNSUSL AS KEDDI ED YA OF SUSOYOUHLFUCJINFWILOSWRHSSFICKTOYTSELF
Plus, i think this was the very first recorded loadout that can solo fallen or insane mode
Yoooo that’s so cool u did it!
i luv this ur amazing
I started when TDS first came out of alpha around June 2019 and sentry didn't exist yet and we only had 9 towers lol. So the best unit was minigunner and commander before really. You can still win a fallen today in quad op with 4 guys running minigunners and CTA chaining.
You wouldn’t chain you would use all the commander abilities together and it would stack
@@creeperdash2967 I was referring to now where you can still beat fallen with 4 players on minigunner, also commander I believe came only a few days after release from memory so actually we did not have commander yet.
I only started in 2021 and took a 2 year break so that’s why I’m behind lol
The oldest loadout that I used to solo was: Farm, Mini, Crook Boss, commander and rocketeer.
My First ever loadout that i’ve been able to do solo fallen with was
G Mini, Farm, Dj, Commander, Ranger.
I think it was Between 2020 Nov - 2022 Gold Perks update that it was possible
@@Cyber_Shadow3mine was freezer rocketeer sentry john tower and farm
coool vids man
Hey elite I love your videos so much I was thinking what if you do how long the tower can last in fallen and you can spam the tower but only it
Old day when freezer had abbility and rocketeer did massive damage from the explosive
For everyone saying that turret is closer to to the sentry then engineer. Please take in mind the price and the fact that the Enginerer SPAWNS sentries
plus the engineer is the same price as the senty
@@vyron-topic9592 Yes true
Didn't know old sentry shot rockets
@@Fibero-Fibero69_420 bot copy your comment
lol someone copy ur comment
imagine if he used turret instead of engineer lol
Love your videos Elite
Cool video I like it
"Engineer is the closest thing to sentry here."
*turret*
Turret: ah yes im being ignored over and over again
Engineer is closer than turret, the starting prices, the dps, the placement limits, engineer is the closer thing to sentry since engineer was made to replace sentry
@@thejason1054 bro the sentry is a solo shooter and so is the turret engineer is just so he can finish faster duhhh
@@dansen4415 engi literally spawns sentrys. Its there to replace sentry since its no longer a tower its a unit spawned by engi
Exactly
You need to use the song “Dupe - We Ball Hard “ in one of your videos
But he gon get copyright
“This video has been removed for copyright reasons :/“
Yay another vid :D
‘your best early defense now is your base’ Elite 2022
Well you *can* beat it with that loadout but you need to have better micromanagment
I like how he forgot to upgrade 1 minigunner lol
you could of used turret instead of sentry, (cause they seem pretty much the same) but that would be even worse but still a sick video
everybody forgot the fact that insane mode in 2019 when the area 51 event came out it took 1 hour to beat insane mode with 8 people it was so hard but so fun at the same time :D
“The engineer is the closet thing to sentry”
Turret: Am I a joke to you?
Edit: cheese and rice do not read the comments
You are right BuilderNoobYT
I mean the engineer spawns sentries so yeah Elite is more right.
@@wot3167 engineer is a humanoid tower, yes it does build sentries which is close but a turret is literally the same thing as a sentry.
BUT everyone has their opinions
@@wot3167 well the turret itself is more closer to the sentry so I was confused why he didn’t do the turret instead
bro you copied me
Here's a better strat for anyone: use Commander Accelerator farm and Millitant place Millitant first upgrade it once and when unplaced it farm use comander place it down and save for acceleratot place next to commander and place more accelerators and commanders at different areas to protect this strat was made by me tell me if it works btw this strat could possibly work on fallen it works molten and gravediggrr
you may or may not have written one of the most stupid strategies ever known to man🎉🎉
According to u man 🎉
Ballsucking man🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Good thing elite did this like a couple of days before summer update since harbor was remasterd.
The oldest loadout that I used to solo was: Crook Boss, Mini, farm, commander and Outlaw
Rocketeer is good for long range attacks and if you place it well it cannot easily get stunned
Yes very much definitely :)
hey can u try to win fallen mode with only ducky skins?
i have an idea for the loadout:
early defense:soldier
main damage:mini gunner,engineer
support:commander,farm
Good idea
If you notice closely, Elite didnt upgrade one of his minis and that mini is stayed at lv 2
Minigunner and engineers have skins from tf)))
Good easter eggs!
Sentry. Always missed, never forgotten.
You can also use the turret since it’s the same thing as the sentry
Yeah…
True
Sorta but engi literally spawns the sentrys which is what he needed
I was thinking you will play retro tds
Respect and i am new
Wait, so the sentry has more in common with the engineer than the actual turret?! Also the Turret is literally the first troop in his inventory so I’m. honestly confused.
it’s bc sentry and engineer same lrice
@@souljaboy2995 and because they both have a damage windup [in engineer's sense being upgrades to the actual engineer and sentry's upgrades]
two people already responded to this but turret and sentry were seperate towers back then (i think atleast) so engi would make more sense
(also engi sentries have a windup like the actual sentry
You forget that so many towers were nerfed until you watch this :(
Tds retro
Scout, Hunter, Sniper, Soldier, Militant, Shotgunner, Paintballer, Pyromancer, Accelerator, Medic, and Minigunner: Are we a joke to you?
@@toonboi6775 militant, pyromancer and shotgunner are stil worse than john, old pyro and enforcer
@@AngryBird___ That’s only because John and Enforcer have abilities. Their current versions have more damage then them.
@@toonboi6775 yes
Nice!
cool youtube tip: type "before:(year) (something you want to type) in the search bar and you'll get videos before that year you typed.
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"Engineer is the closest to sentry"
Turret: you LIAR!
This is just an excuse to just use Engineer.
(Thank you for "N" to correct me. Also TheBuilderNoobYT Copied my comment nice 👍)
liar*
R/whoosh
@@cindychoo7 there’s no joke to go go woosh
As a TDS veteran I am so sad they removed sentry STILL.
Well you have engi!
@@checkerboard2459 true
i wish the old days are still here
YEEEEEAAAAAAAAHHH ANOTHER VID
Maybe you could put the enginer out of range and keep the sentry in range
but how could engineer even build sentry if it cant attack ? also engineer will build sentries new to her , so it would make the sentries not utilize all of its range
how will it get sentries then?
True
@@fredsmith6513 bruh you can see the yellow circle thats where the engi can spawn turrets
It was just a thought I don't know how engineer works
Elite: Engineer is the closest thing to sentry.
Turret: Are you sure about that?
Expensive
Yeah while it looks similar its very expensive so it cant do as good.
Also, he said he picked engineer beause it spawns sentries i believe
- Turret is way worse than engineer
- It's impossible to beat this *even with* engineer so using turret would only make things worse
- Engineer spawns sentries which makes it closer to the sentry than the turret
@@EliteElite engineer also costs the same as sentry
@@EliteElite ikr
I remember watching that solo insane vid for nostalgy
I like how elite forgot to max 1 mini on last wave
"Engineer is the closest thing to the sentry"
Turret: *A m i a j o k e t o y o u ?*
Edit: Yo what the flip this is the fastest time i have ever gotten a reply on a YT comment-
turret is always a joke to engineer apparently
Engi is the closest due to it
Literally spawning sentrys as units
@@FaultyMega engineer isnt close to sentry.. But the sentrys it spawns are close to sentry
@@robmaster15 thats what i said engi spawns sentrys which is literally sentry as a unit rather than a tower
@@FaultyMega turret especially one of the skins looks more of a sentry like too like engineer but sentrys have more dps and stuff
If you go to 10:26 you see he forgot to upgrade that level 2 mini near the front
( not trying to shame him just point out something)
It’s not shaming him dw bro:)
Your comment got stolen by a bot 💀
@@arandompersonontheinternet9052 yep
@@arandompersonontheinternet9052 bruh
Hey elite can you try and redo this challenge with the buffed versions?
"Sentry's nearest relatable is engineer"
Turret: Am I a joke to you?
He could’ve use freezer to drop down the defenses of the fallen guardians💀
Big brain
Correction: turret is basically a giant sentry
0:03 Wait, is that Marisa Kirisame from Touhou Project (Fan-Anime Touhou: Memories of Phantasm) on Profile Picture?!
Elite: im gonna use engineer to replace sentry
Turret: *w h a t*
You know... There's atchally a older strategy (Loadout) then the one your using that exists on a very low quality video and no sound.
Link?
Name of the vid pls
Link?
I'll try and find the link, in the mean time you can do your own things or even help me find the video. Remember it's a low quality video with no audio.
Yeah I forgor🗿💀 the link and I'll find it again.
I think switching to Golden Minigunner and changing Freezer and Rocketeer to Commander and DJ it would be a very easy challenge, but I get why you didn’t do that to keep true to the challenge.
Because that would’ve been a regular loadout, it’s something that anyone can use because it’s op
@@slice0fsoup they said that they get why he didn't do that lol (I read it wrong the first time too, no worries)
lol thats litterally the exact loadout i use
now this might work cause freezer and rocketeer good now and mini buffed
This gonna be very interesting....
7:41 he doesn't even consider a freezer a tower because he says "for distracting the Templar so it doesn't hit the towers"
Every other tds player ever: *has very strategic tower placements* Me: funy enemy
the sentry with a shield is like using a wrangler
Your voids are the best
If you replace freezer with shotgunner and rocketeer with ace pilot you might be able to clutch up ? Idk
you could play retro tds and there you could do it bc there are towers that he had in 2019
i respect that you didnt use golden mini even if you could have
Now can you do challenge use minigun tower only , support,farm, two tower that minigun but no golden minigunner just normal minigunner and turret that it turret have 120 dps
Jesus this game has changed so much I haven’t played since the first Easter event …what do I need to know?
0:40 freezer and rocketeer used to be good, yeah
i think the reason why they are the most garbage towers in the game is because of the loadout, the devs probably thought it was way too op and they made it trash, garbage, terrible, they got bullied, so on.
just a theory idk tho
Fun fact: the part that’s different colors is where the sentries spawn
Him: imma use engineer cuz he spawns sentries
Turret: *crying in robot*
Elite: this is the closet thing we can get to a sentry
Turret: what am I now
what about u use my solo molten loadout(wich still in test so i still cant beat the molten boss on any good map)use my molten loadout on molten since i think ur good at strategy i think u can do it my loadout:mini, medic, shotgunner, commander and farm
I miss the good ol days when freezer and rocketeer were top tier.
How about uding rockeeter as the back and set them to strongest far away it be good its my opinion tho
Idea: beat molten/fallen with the towers in the triumph screen (Gold skin allowed but no farms)
I'm gonna do this, it looks really fun
@@GentleFrog1 lol
Idea: try to use this loudout in retro tds
Imagine mysteries spawning a mystery upon death
Elite: engineer is the closest to sentry. turret: you just think engineer is better dont you?
maybe you should ave used rocketerr and freezer aswell maybe they still have some of their original firepower
The most creative ideas for videos!
Try this again when freezer rework happens so it will actually be more useful
Elite:sentry isnt in the game. Turret:Excuse me?
Try doing it now with the rocketeer buff! I think you would be able to win
elite:the enginner is the closent thing to the sentry turret:*sad turret noises* why must we suffer
Idea : can you solo fallen with no support
Enginner is banned because she doesn't really need support
The best way to use any freezing unit combo is sledger (max) and commander ability it's op
old toxic gunner + sledger was so op they had to nerf toxic gunner even after it was already nerfed
Ngl the thumbnail got me too interested
flextag is correct but i still think turret is closer cause it has the same mechanics but more expensive
7:44
elite: explaines how to bait
giant boss: what a wondorf- AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
hey that video was uploaded on my birthday