Why Do Atheists Need To Tell People God Isn't Real All The Time | Atheist Experience 26.47
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- Atheist Experience 26.47 for November 20, 2022 with Forrest Valkai & Christy Powell LIVE at the Freethought Library
Jay from IA asks why Atheists feel the need to talk about their non-belief and tell others God doesn’t exist all the time.
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Theists don't want atheists telling people what to believe because theists want the exclusive right to tell people what to believe.
No......They want the right to force people to believe certain *BELIEFS* and never think about how those beliefs fail when compared to reality.
Exactly!
That’s not true! And you should stop believing that it is right now
Theism only sounds reasonable if nobody's allowed to point out all the reasons it's stupid yes.
@@mg-fx5dn Its pretty true
Imagine arriving in heaven and being trapped with millions of people like this guy.
“Can I go to the other place instead?”
“This is the other place”
Heaven for the climate, hell for the company.
Unfortunately if I'm wrong about the whole god thing, I feel like I'm gonna end up in hell with millions of people like this guy..
Sounds like he’ll to me!! 😵💫
@@adamcummings4060 nah, if you're wrong about the whole god thing, we be throwing a mad rave party in hell. hellfire BBQ = best BBQ
There is no hate like Christian love.
You've hit the nail on head... As a Faithful minded person I think that we are the fulcrum of love and hate, we are the medium! That's the whole point in choice "freewill" if there is such a thing "in the moment" ... But, We bring into existence, both of those things, we do that... Not God! and the Bible? Those written words, just like anything else, the manipulation of the selfish human! We believe what we believe, because we've chosen to believe it... And, Bayesian, I figure a exact opposite of me is probably in the here and now as well! Love and Hate!
Christains dont hate we just live by a different value system then people who are purposely rebeling agaisnt their creator
@@chadrasmussen1154 Atheists do not believe in any supernatural beings you cannot rebel against what does not exist
@@chadrasmussen1154 which creator exactly tho? there are so many and it's gonna be a bit egocentric if you said your god is the true creator 😂 this is why religion is a mess and i'm staying far far away from your cults.
and why have you chosen to believe it? Doesn't this so called "free will" thing require causes outside itself?
“We cannot understand the mind of god and he works in mysterious ways… but let me tell you exactly what he wants you to do”
Exactly lol 😆
When a person uses the term "woke" the way Jay did. I can't help but feel he is basically saying that he is proudly ignorant.
That is what he's saying. Pride in ignorance is a storied American tradition and the internet especially has taken it as cultural bedrock.
Im not sure you understand what ignorant means lmfao
@@thethiccestboi7648 Could you at least state your reasoning so that I have a basis for a rebuttal?
I can give the dictionary definition if you like. Lacking education or knowledge. Brute facts are brut facts.
Jay is unfortunately and quite possibly through no fault of his own, not very well educated. At least on the issues being discussed in the video. I can make no comment as to other things as I have no evidence.
@@thethiccestboi7648 Ignorant in this instance means not having a clue about the subject but still choosing to comment anyway.
Dunning-Kruger effect is also apt, something you've displayed in spades by claiming the LGBTQ+ community has religious holidays and religious texts.
@@paulcooper1223 please quote where i ever said the lgbt had religious holidays or texts
Random people telling biologists what biology is never gets old :))
I'm just sad he didn't bring up the big bang. I was _one_ square away from calling Bingo.
@Magicus Chemicus Daddyus 🤣🤣🤣
@@youhaveaGodregardlesscreature "Biology is what god used to creature you?" Lol!!
@@AmirhoseinHerandy And yet as an Atheist I say gender identity is just another religion based on feelings.
@@Angelum_Band Can you back that statement up with evidence?
I love how quickly Forrest comes up with clever and eloquent responses, like "You believe a Jewish Zombie will burn my soul" to show how absurd of a thing the other person said was
Jay's question was accurate. Forrest believes that a male can be a woman. Jay accused them accurately of believing a woman can be a man and a man can be a woman. Males are men and females are woman. It is not logically possible for a male to be a woman.
Heard that one about zombie before. I even saw stickers.
It's overused and absolutely cringe. Just like the spaghetti monster. We get it you think God isn't real. But this is just childish mocking not a real engagement with what Christians believe.
Forrest makes an excellent point about “Jesus loves you” being a hateful message. I’ve never been able to explain it that succinctly before.
It's actually threatening and gas lighting.
It's like a very bad parent or partner saying they "love you" before or after they abuse you.
"I do this because I love you"
"This hurts me more than it hurts you"
"I love you, but sometimes I just get so mad"
It's like the crazy stalker that loves you so much that they wanna torture you for eternity if you don't love them back.
Yeah, it's always made me feel icky, but I couldn't quite put my finger on it. This explanation is perfect and helped me understand it better too.
@foxfireman188-ls1kv yeah, "unconditional love" is toxic in almost any relationship (still trying to figure out if it toxic for your children, but idk if I could not love my child no matter what, so...), but God doesn't love us unconditionally even though he says he does, cause if he did, Hell wouldn't be a place he actively sends people.
I've always interpreted the statement as a multi use jab depending on the context
For ex
If said in response to me simple saying im an atheist
Jesus loves you = go fúçk yourself
If said at the end of a debate especially a heated one
Jesus loves you = go fúçk yourself you know im right
If said in response to me pointing out anything immoral done by god in the bible
Jesus loves you = dont read the bad bits otherwise its harder to believe the story and if less people believe then that makes it harder for me to keep believing so go fúçk yourself and just be a christian
Sorry I was on the computer for the latter half of this call. I was trying to pull up a textbook that I wanted to quote to Jay. I actually found it a little later in the show. Here's the quote:
"Gender is not the same as sex, Biological sex refers to the anatomical and physiological phenotype of an individual. Gender is a category assigned by the individual or others based on behavior and cultural practices. One's gender need not coincide with one's biological sex."
Genetics: A Conceptual Approach - Benjamin Pierce - 7th Edition
As transphobes like to say, it's literally basic biology.
Gender identity is a religion based on the delusion that an individual's feelings about their own gender overrides their own sex.
I will reiterate 100% of the people in this chat exist and are the result of the interaction and most likely intercourse between a man and a woman.
@@Angelum_Band Congratulations, you have an opinion. 🙄
@@ookeekthelibrarian from the university located directly up their ass
@@cajunking5987 "gender identity" is typically tied to traditional gender norms related to feminity and masculinity. Personally, I don't like the concept of gender identity at all because your genitals have little bearing on anything other than your role in reproduction and how easy it is to piss standing up. In a way, "gender identity" gives both a giant middle finger and a big hug to gender stereotypes. On one hand, it says that you can wear, talk, or do whatever you want no matter what genitals you have. On the other hand, it solidifes the idea that male and female are masculine and feminine, respectively.
Basically, we're comparing biology and psychology. One has to deal with your physical body, the other pertains to the psyche.
@@cajunking5987 Your lack of understanding doesn't make it meaningless.
"You sounds like you're a wonderful person." is Forrest's version of the Southern "Bless your heart."
Amen!! 😂
As Seth Andrews said 'tiny little fuck you'
It's funny because Forrest unironically looks and sounds like one of the unhappiest people I've ever seen. I cannot imagine he's a hit at parties 😅
@@samuelmerkel2888 fuck are you talking about? I get the exact opposite impression of him, he actually brings me joy
I hadn't caught this. Now I'll never miss it!
I liked the way the call finished. "You guys just don't like truth." "As soon as you bring me some, I will let you know how I feel about it".
How about this: No gods, ghosts, spirits, dragons, afterlives, etc. are real. Everything real has an explanation behind it. Death is the end. We are remembered in the minds of all we meet and interact with in everyday life, and when we are gone other people's memories of us are our only afterlives, and we know nothing about it because we our conscious selves have ceased to exist...that's why we must teach our children or younger family members well, so that we continue to live in THEM.
I suspect some people cannot handle the truth (no afterlife, no life after death) as that will sound harsh to some. There are redeeming features. It is much more logically consistent with what we know about life and death, and what we see and so we are free of troubling internal logical inconsistencies. There will be no hangups over where we might end up in the afterlife. We are free to attach meanings without being told what to believe. The lives of those we know and love we appreciate more because we know that life is temporary. Life itself is wonderful and it is temporary so that gives it more value. We are free to judge for ourselves what is right and wrong morally without being told. We can see for ourselves where human beings fit in the ecology of all life on Earth.
He's a joy. A pure joy, isn't he? Full of love and light. Shining example for his faith.
Totally! He's just here on this planet to make sure he makes as many people feel loved as possible!
Actually hes a literal representation of the Christian death cult.
"Why Do Atheists Need To Tell People God Isn't Real All The Time?"
For the same reason people with high school diplomas need to tell people that the earth is not flat.
@Richardo Dawkinio Hey! How did you get your tattoo removed? Did you go to *"Ye's Tattoo Removal for self described !D10tZ"* ???
LMFAO!!!
@Richardo Dawkinio yes try to shift the burden of proof as always.
Your emperor has no clothes.
@Richardo Dawkinio What claim did he make, other than that the earth is not flat?
Do you think the earth is flat?
@@sledzeppelin you are asking someone who won't provide evidence for their god.
Dorkins has another alt? 🤦♂️
The WORST thing you can do to a conservative "christian" is treat them they way they treat everyone else.
I’m a libertarian minded liberal atheist and I’ve got to say that I’ve found conservative Christians can share space and live & let live better than most of my leftist friends who can become screeching leftist wokescolds at the drop of a hat.
Setting them on fire forever is so cathartic though.
I've tried locking them in my basement too but stopped at the fact that I don't have a basement.
God Loves you
@tim which god?
That goalpost moved so far I wondered if I needed a passport halfway through that discussion
It's funny cause as an Atheist I've never randomly walked up to a person and told them god isn't real; but I've been approached a dozen times by random strangers telling me jesus is returning and I'd better be ready - even though I never met them, never made eye contact, they just waltz right up, knock on the door, or even leave pamphlets and hand them to me while I'm at work. It's pretty damned annoying.
I usually just tell those people that I don't believe in human sacrifice. 👀
@@walterfristoe4643 that's something I tell people that insist that I shouldn't confuse the old testament and the new testament... god raped a woman and gave the child up to be tortured and killed on a cross... that's the storyline of the new testament.
I had some scientologists try to distribute flyers at work during the pandemic. I talked to the boss and he flat out told me to get them out. I have never done anything for my boss with so much joy. Despite the fact that he is a born again Christian and knows I’m an atheist, he has the strength of character to understand that religion has no place at work.
It's love to warn people whether they see it or not I'm sorry if you feel Harassed but it's true it's better for someone to warn you or not at least just one sometimes it annoyes me to even as a Christian when I've already know that but I'm grateful that I know I understand when you hear it so many times when you already know but there are other people that need to know to but out of love we should warn people out of respect and a caring heart ❤️
Yet this whole channel talks just about God. I'm agnostic. But if God was Valkai's Ex I would tell him he's obsessed. It's just incredible how atheists despise religion and then unironically go on to talk about nothing else.
I'm an atheist, and I don't tell people, unless they ask me. And if they ask, it's usually because they're preparing to try and convert me to their way of beliefs.
Hi, Did it occur to you that maybe they want you to see the TRUTH, and by not knowing the TRUTH you will not know where you are heading. If a parent tells his son something he thinks is good for his son, did you ask yourself did he say it out of love and he does not want you to be astray. If you are a parent and love your kids, you will see the sense of what I am saying. If somebody says to you that GOD can bring you to the heavenly realm. Would it be great to know if it is real? Everything you see in this world will be left behind, and yet people have been deceived by their self-centeredness, and what the world has to offer. What you gain for having the world and yet lost your soul. What is in the world belongs to the world when your time is up it will be passed down or forgotten. Would you think you still care for them when you are gone? Harden, not your heart, seek the TRUTH not because that is what others say, but because you want to know what is the TRUTH.
Na their being pricks
@@nembradora cool story, bro
@@nembradora 🤣
@@nembradora The "TRUTH" is that no god has ever been proven to exist. It is past time to put gods down and play with other things.
Two smartly dressed young men came to my door the other day, white shirt, tie, dark trousers. One of thelm handed me a leaflet but when I opened it, it was blank! I said to him, ‘there’s nothing in here, it’s blank’, ‘yes I know’ he replied, ‘we’re atheists’.
HA, HA
The same people called on Joseph Smith. He took the paper and wrote a whole load of made up bullshit on it!
I need to gather a group to do this during april fools.
Them: "Have you heard the good word about our Lord and Savior?"
You: "No."
Them: "Yeah, me neither. You'd think we'd have heard something by now. In this day and age, God could at least send an e-mail or something. I'm not asking for stone slabs, here."
@Michelle cool story bro
“You are woke.” The new blanket insult that covers everything someone doesn’t like.
I love his statement, "You guys have the woke stuff and we have Jesus." As if the Bible doesn't paint Jesus as the king of woke (adj, having or marked by an active awareness of systemic injustices and prejudices, especially those involving the treatment of ethnic, racial, or sexual minorities).
There a lot of Christians now saying they don't want to hear about Jesus because he was woke. If this ends god for all time its a good thing.
The original hippy
For conservatives anything that isn't white, cisgender, and hetero is automatically woke.
And he offered free health care 😂
When’s the last time an atheist went door to door asking people to not read their Bible?
Probably NEVER!!!!!
Oh. I do that every Sunday morning 06:00. But thats probably because i am in the inner circl....... i cant even write this with a straight face.
Well closedt thing was Stalinism.
@@firmak2 That was far more Stalin transferring the old religion of Russia into the cult of Stalinism and it's implicit reign of terror - which had nothing much to do with the writings of Karl Marx.
@@John.0z i was specifically referring to his closure of churches and general banning of religious services.
People like this believe that anything that is newly understood and different from how they grew up is "woke" and "repulsive"
Exactly. Conservatives are, by definition, threatened by change to the status quo. This caller, 60 years ago, would have called the civil rights movement repulsive
The caller totally revealed how he actually feels when he said that he finds atheist repulsive.
Thanks, Christian dude
Ah, that closing comment "You have a fun day, you sound like a delightful person" - I doubt the caller had ANY idea of how hard he just got slapped. Beautiful, thanks Forrest.
“You are woke and I have Jebus” that was an argument trap and they didn’t fall for it! Nice job!
Isn't it not ironic that the caller is labeling woke in a negative term, but wouldn't Jesus be the most woke person to exist since he wants peace, love, feed the poor, etc?
@@weekim3974 yes by the Right's official definition of "belief that there are systemic issues that should be addressed" (i.e. the concept of politics), but by the nazi logic it's just everything they don't like. See also: Cultural Marxism (/Bolshevism).
a funny, if provocative reply would have been "Since I'm not woke, does this mean you're an atheist?"
"You have jesus? Where? In your basement? Is he okay? Do you let him out to see the sun? Oh my graces you keep him with the gimp!"
@@weekim3974
Yeah. Christians really don’t understand any part of their theology.
I have an Ma in Theology and am an atheist. A friend of mine asked why I have such a degree, to which I answered: "to combat ignorance, you first have to understand its genesis"...and yes, I purposely used that word. As to how I became an atheist, simply put: I read the Bible. I've also read the Talmud & Torah and the Qu'ran and found them equally amusing. Also have a Ma in Physics, so logic is a key component to my scholarship when dealing with religion.
Also, atheism is a religion the same way abstinence is a sex position.
@heatherpetersen6189 The combat religion quote are my own words, but feel to use them if needs be. Now if you're talking about the abstinence quote, that is from Bill Maher.
So you agree that if all woman are female then it is not logically possible for a male to be a woman...
This!!! Sadly to combat ignorance you have to know where it comes from the source. That’s why majority of my recommendations on CZcams are from right wingers. It’s such a pain to have to listen to their 💩💩💩 but you have to know what you go up against
@@adrianofmarssame except the opposite, I study left wingers to take down their dumb ideological views rhe same way I study religion to argue against dumb religious views
Get a load of this guy who thinks the concept of 'God' is bound to a book 😂
"Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.” Yoda
If Yoda is in Hell, I want to go too.
@@norswil8763 Jedi vs Satan the movie??
Atheism is not a belief. It's a lack of belief.
Homeboy called the wrong show if he just wants to scream and whine about woke stuff or trans stuff. Also, it's hilarious that he accused them of not liking truth, since he's the one who denies biology, denies cosmology, denies American history, denies the spherical Earth, denies the pandemic, denies the election, denies the insurrection, denies climate change, and denies that there is such a thing as reality in the first place.
And denies the very points of view they are explicitly telling him.
I mean, you’re straw-manning the shit out of him, but you’re also probably right. 😁
@@vooveks yes but straw manning is what you use when you have no good arguments at all, so better not.
@@youhaveaGodregardlesscreature what is a "god regardless creature"?
@@youhaveaGodregardlesscreature Yeah, that’s not working for you. Try again with some different words, or better still, don’t bother, ‘cos I’ve met you before and know what you’re all about, and it’s singularly unimpressive and tiresome every time.
The perfect example of someone who is not just not intellectually curious, but on the other end of the scale.
Being woke is literally what Jesus fucking advocated for, to respect everyone, to not hurt anyone, to not retaliate if they hurt you, forgive, let bygones be bygones, let the sojourner stay with you, respect the foreigner.
I just love knocking on people's doors to ask "Have you heard the Bad News?"
The minute I hear someone say you are woke is the minute I know that they are not worth listening to.
@@cajunking5987 You're an idiot ... and a troll. Go away.
@@cajunking5987If you regard the historical context of the word, it’s meaning was much more focused and specific than the way in which angry conservatives use it now. And since conservatives do not know what it means, it is impossible to know what they mean when they use it. In fact, it is now a seldom-uttered word in liberal circles for that reason. Kind of like how slang stops being cool once older adults start using it.
@@cajunking5987 If someone is complaining about wokeness they are merely saying “bad thing is bad” without ever explaining what it is or why it’s bad. In other words, not worth listening to.
@@cajunking5987 the term "woke" has always been progressive. It's use started in the civil rights movement. Wtf are you talking about?
@@cajunking5987 here is a pop quiz question for you. So you know where the term "redneck" originated?
If you generically describe the teachings of Jesus, every conservative would call it woke
Jesus seemed to be a kind fellow and a Proto socialist in stark contrast to many of his adherents.
True, Jesus was definitely not a conservative nor a Republican lol
The dude gave people free healthcare and free food, opposed banks and wanted rich people to sell all of their possessions and give to the poor. If Jesus showed up out of the blue the right would probably try to crucify him live on Fox News.
@@cajunking5987 you're just a useful idiot
@@cajunking5987 So what? Good for you. It’s okay to not be the norm.
I have been atheist for about 65 years. But, as I grew up, I learned not to discuss these ideas in public because of the harassment and occasional physical abuse that I received from time to time from others, usually "Christians". I enjoy the fact that intelligent and logical discussion is now available on the Internet.
Barry that is awful to hear, I'm 25 and know the LORD; for you to go 65 Godless years because of some bad apples is genuinely pitiful, I'm sorry to hear that 😔
I find this interesting. I could absolutely believe there was a time where this is true. However, now the opposite is becoming more true. Those with religious beliefs are now the ones who are forced to begin not expressing their beliefs in public, for fear of social outcast, employment issues, and even physical harm occasionally.
We should all be kind
@@Reece-Mincher3601hey, real quick. What is the second part of the "bad apples" aphorism? If you don't know, you should look it up.
Must be American
@Reece-Mincher3601 oh palease
I'm an atheist with stage 4 cancer. I don't mind when people say they'll pray for me, but it irks me that prayers and tithing supersede donating to more research toward finding a cure. Never been a single recorded case of prayer curing cancer, so if you really wanna help... And that's why I'm vocal about my non-faith.
Sorry to hear about your condition. But yeah, you're right in that it's so obvious praying for someone else is useless, and yet people still do it, and what makes it worse is that they really think it works!
@@jszlauko I feel like "I'll pray for you" is what you say to someone who you can't help, like there's nothing you can do for that person, so you do this Hail Mary for them, I get that. But there IS something they could do that would help way more than prayer, whether it's spreading the word or donating to research, there are things we can do to actually help, so "I'll pray for you" falls just a little flat especially for some cancer patients with medical bills up to their ears!
@@Sarappreciates - True, that the people who say I”lol pray for you” at least shows they have compassion, but you’re right in that there are so many other things they could do that CAN actually help, like taking up donations, or seeking out the right doctor. Imagine instead of having 100 people gathered and praying, they instead each donate $100. Now you’ve got $10,000 to help with the bills! Sure beats having the useless prayers which only makes the people doing the praying feel better about themselves!
Praying is the least someone can do; that's why for our brother, we went threw his tons of mail, mowed his lawn, took him to his appointments, put together a binder to track all Doctors, meds, and treatments, cleaned his house, ran his errands, helped him apply for medical and disability income benefits, etc, rather that standing around and praying and sending him useless tots SMH 🤷🏽♀️ pears🤷🏽♀️
@@Mehki227 That's true love. The priceless COMFORT of action is what that word "love" really means. Love is a VERB, not a noun. More than something we feel, to love is something we DO.
It amazes me that Christy and Forrest can keep so calm when people like Jay call in and just talk in circles to "prove a point".
BUT WHAT ABOUT SEX AND GENDER ?!?!?!?
*answers the question*
.... but.... WHAT ABOUT SEX AND GENDER ?!?!?!
*still answers the question*
.... ok... but... youknow... sex and gender !!
@Technic Speaking of talking in circles, quoting the bible to make a point.
@@technic4803 Why should we care what it says?
@TechnicHard pass. Been there, done that, gave me nothing but misery.
That was total confidence in their ability to counter any argument he might make and handle any insult he would certainly use. Such skill.
I also think those "Jesus loves you" signs are incredibly hateful. Because the missing line after that is, "and if you don't love him back, you'll pay for it."
How in the world did i end up with the ability to choose?
Dude you guys are so ignorant no one gets punished for not loving jesus it's only if you never repent and change your heart twords god get it right also I saw jesus he is real bro I love him
It's not just loving him it's obeying him and turning from sin
@@chadrasmussen1154 How about you stop chasing these people? Don't just spread your belief like it's a disease. You're also trying to manipulate others into thinking that "Jesus loves you" or other similar stuff. Keep your belief up to you, not others. If you continue doing this, you are no other but a manipulator and forcing people to join your religion. It's a disgusting behaviour. I recommend you stopping it so that you wouldn't get into arguments like these.
Jesus is god's 'flying monkey'...
This is what religious people are afraid to say out loud: “Believe in my God, listen to what I say, do what I tell you to do, never question me, love who I tell you to love and hate who I tell you to hate. Give me your money."
Your guys' exposure and willingness to talk openly, intelligently, and logically about theism and its downfalls has been one of the biggest pieces of my deconstruction, and I appreciate you all immensely. I was always an atheist, but I never really knew I was until last year since religion was shoved down my throat since I was born. Atheism does have a horrible stigma for most people, so it's really great to see people showing how atheists actually are and helping remove that stigma. I recently felt comfortable enough to tell my mother that I'm atheist, and she was last on my list for many reasons. That comfortability was solely based on you guys and your show, so thank you, and keep doing what you're doing! I've learned more about theism and atheism in the last few months that I've been watch you guys than I ever learned in church growing up. ❤
How infuriating, to have someone lump you in with a broad category of people, tell you outright what you do and don't believe, calmly explain your position to them, only to have them completely ignore your argument and come back again with "yeah, but that's what you guys believe". All credit to these two gentlemen for keeping respectful throughout. That last line "you sound like a delightful person" was hilarious.
Why infuriating? Where does that anger come from? Or rather what are the elements you find so offensive?
@@Angelum_Band They already explained their position. What's with the inane questions? It's annoying when "conversing" with a dishonest interlocutor that ignores your points and doesn't actively listen, and refuses to acknowledge points that weaken their positions.
@@madsquishypanda2916 First, did I ask you or Joshua the question? You rudely butt in with baseless acusatory questions and arguments with knowing my person, the facts and what has been spoken already.
As an Atheist I feel ashamed of the grotesque brutality of some individuals here.
@@madsquishypanda2916 So since you brought my attention to you, what is the source of your anger? Are you willing to think and analyze?
@@madsquishypanda2916 spot on.
I had someone tell me that Jesus loves me yesterday. I laughed and said "He has a funny way of showing it". The look I got was one of confusion and disgust.
You were just "othered". Religion is extremely nationalistic and violent. I just ignore them and get on my way. The last 7 years has told me enough....
One morning, I went to work and that morning it was raining something horrible.A coworker said to me "He's doing what he wants with this weather, huh?" She smiled.
I knew it was just innocent small talk but my immediate response was "Who you talking about??" She pointed upwards as if to say the man upstairs, to which I said "I'm not so sure about that. It's just raining to me."
@@2006glg My first impulse is to let it go, and say nothing. But, sometimes I say something like that, too. It's getting shoved at us harder and it gets irritating.
Pretty much you just hate jesus and I'll never understand why
@@chadrasmussen1154 You can't hate what doesn't exist. What if I said that you "just hate Santa Claus and I'll never understand why?"
The way the entire behind camera crew cracked up laughing at the end was comedy gold. Not sure how you guys cope with these people, but keep up the good work
I just like the roar of laughter when he said "I know the Truth."
Christy needs to be on more often. He crushed poor Jay with reason and intelligence and yet was so friendly about it. The smile never left his face as he continuously sliced through the density of Jay's positions with his 'logic' knife.
Oh, Forrest totally baited him in with the 'Jesus loves you is hateful' comment... so well played.
@@technic4803 sounds fake.
@@technic4803 I'm skeptical about magic being real.
@Technic GB? Don't know what Great Britain has to do with any of that
@Technic And why, exactly, is there such a specific requirement for being saved? How is it morally justified for a tri-omni entity to refuse to save anyone who does not meet these requirements?
Forrest saying that Jay sounds like a delightful person was just savage.🤣
Why people even try to cope living with one foot in the 21st century and the other in the 1st century is beyond me
Christy: Read some of the books on the subject, read introductory books!
Me: Literally read any book bro.
This caller is the reason we need more shows like this. I live in Louisiana and this is how a majority of people sound everyday. We have a senator that doesnt believe in evolution. It's sad. However some are discovering logic and reason. I was raised christian. My daughter has been raised with no fear of the thousands of gods that mankind has made up over the years. The results so far are absolutley amazing. She is is more mature than most adults in this area. I can see the fears I grew uo with clearer because she has none of those fears. She is free to explore with an open mind and can quickly call out bs. She loves science and doesnt understand how people can believe in what they do with what we know about now days. You can do a lot of experiments at home to prove it. We love the better side of you tube. We love you guys, Matt,AronRa, & miss Christopher H. Keep up the good work. Much love. I dont consider myself woke btw. Just a humble human being that would love to see everyone come together, feed all the hungry, and house all the homeless.
Logic are reason don't let men become women. It is not logically possible for a male to be a woman.
I do love how the right has become so triggered by the word woke. Simply put its defined as being knowledgeable about current social issues whether that be around the world or within your own country.
The fact that these conservatives are so opposed to knowledge is very telling.
Good on both of you for your patience and attempts at reasoning to have a genuine conversation.
Are you nuts? 'Woke' is being brainwashed by the Left. They demand that you follow their indoctrination.
I am so fucking woke.
Wokeness is brain rot. A disease. Attention seeking via virtue signalling.
Knock knock
Who is there?
Jesus, let me in
Why do you want to come in?
I want to save you
What do you want to save me from?
What I am going to do to you if you don't let me in.
I'm an atheist. I don't say a word to anyone. Someone starts talking about the Bible and I make fun of the fairytales.
I'm so glad I live in Scandinavia! Here in Norway less than 50% have any religious belives at all and less than 20% are practicing religion.
Here in Portland Oregon we have similarly good statistics.
Norway sounds like a really good place to live!!
Because if people do awful things and treat people like shit because the Easter Bunny says it's ok I'm going to make sure to remind them as often as possible that the Easter Bunny isnt fucking real.
That seems to be the goal here. "I'm not saying you're an icky person and that it's ok for me to hurt you, my god is saying that. I'm just doing what my god tells me to." Like, grow a spine and admit that it's YOU that hates rather than hiding behind your imaginary friend. Then again, if they did that, people could just point at them and say "you're a bad person" and we all know that no one wants to see themselves as the evil guy.
@@derkylos unfortunally some theists have been abused so badly that they don’t trust their own thinking and empathy or genuinely believe that their punching bags are threats 😔 but most of hateful theists do hide behind their imaginary friend and have bad reasons to hate - like homophobes having sexual self-esteem issues.
@@derkylos even then when someone says it's there God is telling them to do regardless of whether or not they hate what their God tells them to hate it's a flimsy excuse seeing as how we've decided as a global society that "just following orders." is not a valid justification for doing things.
@@jondorr4011 Alfred, Lord Tennyson's poem about the Charge of the Light Brigade praises them for "just following orders". I think if I checked I'd find that helped him get the peerage.
@@jacksimpson-rogers1069 That may be. However the difference is that the Charge of the light brigade is about romanticizing charging to certain death on lawful orders from a superior officer which is not contrary to the laws of war. Carrying out the wholesale murder of people for whatever reason on the orders of a superior are not lawful and are not to be obeyed and you can be prosecuted for carrying them out.
I wish this call went on longer. This guy is the best example as to what is wrong with religious zealots.
The people in the studio laughing is really the best part
We all have our crazy beliefs? So the caller is acknowledging his beliefs are crazy? It seems like Jay is more interested in attacking the "woke" left than defending his religious beliefs. I think he called the wrong show.
At least as Atheists, we won't die fearing an imaginary Hell.
a humble 'I don't know' and a kind 'nobody goes to anybody else's hell'.
@@marcdc6809 I know for sure.
Nature doesn't suspend the laws of the universe just for the whims of an invisible magic Sky Daddy.
And certainly not the god of that silly bible.
There is ZERO chance that immoral nonsense is real.
Forrest is my fave host on here. Very respectful and intelligent. Doesn't lose his temper and resort to just calling people stupid.
These guys are sooo patient.
It is always fun to ask right wingers what exactly "woke" means to them. Jesus would definitely have fit most of their definitions of woke. How ironic is that?
Yeh, just came back from the UK where 'woke' is the bucket all right-wingers put any complaint made by any minority group, where they heap scorn and ridicule upon the group, in their smug condescending entitled way.
Whenever an a-moral xian is confronted by people who advocate for science, biology, facts and advocate for the rights of ALL people, they default to this "woke" term.. as if it's a dirty term.. and it IS dirty to them.. it lays bear their patriarchal, stone-aged bullsh-t and how they want to strip rights of others (starting with women) and impose a theocrazy theocracy.
It's like asking them to explain CRT. They become a deer in headlights.
@@cajunking5987 pandering=woke? Can you give an example?
@@cajunking5987 Well that's idiosyncratic. Most conservatives mean anything promoting freedom for those people is woke.
Jesus loves you so much he wants to have an abusive relationship with you.
The Bible really is just the abuser’s manual 101
The minute he said "woke" lack of understanding came shining thru.
Define "woke".
OK, so I was already a big fan of Forest, but when he acknowledged that the US’s idea of left wing was what most of the world considers right of centre, my German-Canadian heart went all a-flutter. But enough gushing about Forest. Isn’t Christy awesome! Another well-spoken representative to be proud of!
So, they get to tell us whatever they like, but we can’t respond in a similar fashion? I’m sorry, that’s not how this works.
Sad part is, that's how it used to be (and in many places still is). Until we invented the right of free speech, people could straight up be put to death for blasphemy and heresy.
Never forget, as much as religion is trying to claw us back to the dark age, that we have made, and can still make, so much progress as a society.
@@denverarnold6210 good point. Due to constant debates with all these nut-jobs, I sometimes forget that the majority of people in the world are actually smart and decent in many aspects.
@@CassieAngelica I think most people are good, or at worst apathetic; so we should avoid painting with too broad a brush when one's views are, shall we say, less than empathetic, and they can credit them explicitly to their religion.
@@denverarnold6210 agreed.=)
@@denverarnold6210 You have hit on the main reason I comment on these threads.
Love it Christy! Caller: “you guys just don’t like the truth!” Christy: “as soon as you bring me some… So quick! Well said.
@user-se6oh4sj5u Cool.
@Michelle When I worked foe IBM programming for System/360 computers, the printers only had upper case.
Nowadays it is regarded as *_Shouting_* . If Jesus had died for our sins, he'd still be dead, that's what dying means. Most atheists have read enough of the Bible to consider it anything from erroneous to downright wicked *_LIES._*
I strive everyday to have this kind of patience. I'm failing miserably.
You should have asked him to define woke.
I hear a touch of panic in Jay's voice when he accuses Forest -- and atheists in general -- of confusing gender with sex. He seems intimidated, as if once-solid ground is shifting under his feet and his only defense is to verbally insult anyone who doesn't agree with his beliefs.
Jay, it's okay, you're safe. Your sexuality isn't under attack by the "woke" -- or anyone else.
The defensive tone is likely because they subconsciously realize they are suffering from cognitive dissonance and don't want to confront it consciously
@@cajunking5987 What is a solid statement?
You know what, fuck it. As a card carrying member of the woke mob, I *am* going to attack Jay's sexuality. Not everyone with that sexuality, just his.
*oooOOOHH no No No!*
🤣
Learning biology from Matt Walsh is never a good look.
Learning anything from him isn't good. If he told me the sky was blue I go outside to double check.
Meanwhile people like that will harass cis women for using the women's bathroom because they think they're trans.
@@cajunking5987 and biology. Based maybe, but guy seems like an idiot.
@@cajunking5987 Based like a raw chicken
@@cajunking5987 this is why it sucks being an atheist sometimes lol.
Most people assume all atheists are rabid lefties who accept the rest of "the agenda" when in reality some of us have just read the Bible and been like lol well that's stupid!
All without then piling into the clown car of the rest of the positions certain people want desperately to convince you the overwhelming majority of people believe and support...
The funny thing about the Christians vs woke atheists hating each other so much is that sane Normal people can't stand either of them and both groups are willing to get bloody to force you into accepting their brand of insanity
I'd just like to say that I became an atheist at the age of ten in a small place in Maine and have to this day have what seems to be actually impossible to find friendships. I appreciate your show because it reminds me that it's possible even if it never happens for me. Pls continue for the rest of my existence.
Still in Maine?
Yup. Lol I'll never leave.
Interesting, I grew out of my edgy atheist phase when I was about 14.. Have you considered it may not be due to the religious aspect that you have no friends; perhaps you are just unlikeable? 🤔
@@Reece-Mincher3601 you should open a movie theater with all that projection. Typical sociopathic behavior from a Christian. I am Jack's complete lack of surprise
Well done on explaining the difference between sex and gender. More people need to hear this. I learned it 62 years ago. What a pity the caller refused to listen.
The fact that Forrest said to make it safe for atheists to "come out" to their family says everything you need to know. What if the religious had to "come out" that they believed and got the same reaction that atheists do today? Why does Jay keep going off on "woke?" What's the point?
It happens.
@@logicalmuslim1590
Not to the same extent.
@@logicalmuslim1590 In which part of the world are religious people regularly disowned by their atheist families, or barred from office due to their religiosity, or have violence committed against them by atheists?
I never really got what point Jay was trying to make. He just sounded very ignorant and confused. Used words that he clearly didn't understand.
@@andylavs2605 He was just pushing the "we're always right, you're always wrong" meme.
"Why Do Atheists Need To Tell People God Isn't Real All The Time?"
To help make the world be a nicer place to live & help those who have been taught to hate others through religion, find truth in reality & in loves ultimate meaning, to be wonderful to each other. Now building heaven on Earth rather than thinking of a magical here-after only obtained by a few...
Something like this maybe?🤔
Wonder if your actually right and worth it anymore to praise such a god. Even 🦄🟣 is more believable than Bible gawd. Isn't God actually EVIL? Megatron is LORD
Sounds like a lot of good intentions there, how ironic it's the road to hell.
@@violent_bebop9687 hell is the stick to the carrot of heaven in the fairytale book that is the Bible. There's zero valid evidence that either of them exist.
@@chriswebster839 hell exists dude, see it here every day
@@violent_bebop9687 So the actual hell after death doesnt exist? Gotcha
Well done Christy and Forrest,. This is why I am also in the field of education. Keep it coming!
I salute your online atheist ministry, and the revenue that it generates! Genius! Now, get yourself one of those television atheist ministries, and you can really rake in the cash!
Why do Christians have to constantly tell everyone you will burn in hell if you don't believe in God🤔
I think they do believe it and some sincerely want to warn but why would a person who doesn't believe in hell be worried?
I do not know who God will forgive or of what God will forgive them.
I cannot threaten anyone with hellfire.
Because that's their silver bullet. They want people to be scared.
Without fear, few would bother with a belief in God. Belief in the existence of Jesus confers no advantage in itself.
@@logicalmuslim1590 People who don’t believe do not fear Hell. However, sometimes, the Christian indoctrination that took me decades to climb out of creeps back in and I briefly fear or have worrisome feelings of “what if?” This happens maybe once a year, for about 15 seconds. It usually creeps up on me unexpectedly, and I would say it’s a feeling similar to deja vu - something kinda uneasy and familiar that puzzles or worries you. At least, that’s my experience. Sorry if I didn’t describe it very well.
@@logicalmuslim1590
We aren't worried about it.
But other people fall for this superstitious claptrap.
Hence it needs to be fought.
Hearing the background laughter fills me with such joy. You know it's real once the giggles happen.
I love the laughter in the background at the end. I always get a kick out of it.
Man, I really enjoy win Forrest Val Kai is on. He reads everyone with a smile. Treats everyone like they are capable of understanding what he's about to say, and yet speaks in a way that makes it easy for anyone no matter how hard it is for them to understand it to get it. That's a gift. As is his constant joyfulness. I've only ever seen him really pissed off two or three times said that man has reason to be angry when he comes grumpy about something. He's just such a delight to listen to. His enthusiasm is always contagious.
He does get pissed off, and it’s usually still fun and educational to watch lol.
There’s just a special kind of feeling that comes from trying to have a dialogue with someone who just wants to monologue at you and have you accept it.
Like the hosts of Talk Heathen?
@@jollygoodfellow3957 Start your own show and you can talk all you want.
@@jollygoodfellow3957 ... and need a book of zombies and cannibalism to provide their monologue
Christy Prowell and forrest valkai did such an amazing job being as patient as they were . I seriously am proud to call you guys fellow athiest .
Haha that was great! He was struggling to catch you in a gotcha question but was clearly dismantled. This is one of my favorites😂
Forrest: Sex and gender are not the same thing.
Jay: Then why do you treat them like the same thing?
Me: Were you listening, Jay?
The peanut gallery: No!
@@technic4803 Harry Potter and The Deathly Hallow 6:64 - 66 "And Harry did lust after Hermione, but conceal his lust in his furious thrusting, alone in his chamber and lo did he nightly practice his spells, perfecting the forbidden beateentosockium."
@@technic4803 Mentions neither sex nor gender.
@user-se6oh4sj5u ...ACCORDING TO YOUR BOOK, WHICH I DON'T FIND IN THE LEAST BIT CONVINCING. WHY ARE WE YELLING?!
@user-se6oh4sj5u Yeah, I know the claims of the Bible. And Thor eliminated all the Frost Giants. Also, an eternity singing praises to a genocidal, homophobic monster sounds like Hell.
Sometimes I'm sleeping, so not all the time.
I wonder if we’ll all be like this when we’re old. Out of touch and driven by shameful passions to scream at a world we no longer understand.
He graduated the Dunning-Kruger school, with honors.
"As soon as you bring me some..." Damn, what a burn.
Always ask the follow-up question “what does woke mean?”
In this context: A progressive or leftist position perceived as overzealous, performative, or insincere. Hope that cleared it up for you. Now tell me what woman means.
@bokoura Got it. Being regressive, you define everyone more progressive as necessarily overzealous, performative or insincere.
So woke to you is just a lazy, meaningless slur.
And looking up the meaning of words in a dictionary is too big an ask for you.
@@canwelook Tell me something: if you hadn't eaten breakfast yesterday morning, how would you have felt?
@@bokoura I feel energetic when I fast. What is your point?
@@canwelook Just wanted to make sure you met the bare minimum IQ high threshold to be worth responding to before I did.
Anyway, I don't see all leftist positions as overzealous, performative, or insincere, nor did I give any indication I do. It's also not meaningless because I stated the meaning clearly. Do you actually have anything intelligent to add or are you just gonna throw around more baseless accusations?
“Oh my god, you guys just don’t like truth” 😂
Dear caller: "woke" is not the same as "atheist." The United Church of Canada is a Christian denomination, and they've been performing same sex marriages for 20 years.
Your Christianity is not the only Christianity.
As a 60 year atheist that identifies as a woman I say it's about time we start screaming from the roof tops that God does not exist. Here in North America the religious right feel empowered to spread their myth and although they are a minority they are gaining strength.
If we do not speak up we will once again find ourselves hiding our disbelief for fear of purscusion.
For most of my life I have quietly kept my beliefs (sorry disbelief) to myself, trying to avoid confrontation, no more!
We live in the 21st century and if we want to make it to the 22nd we must stop expecting that a mythical creature will save us.
First of all "As a 60 year atheist that identifies as a woman"
what does your sex have to do with your age, Why did you mention you were a woman ?
in your explanation that followed, there was nothing that pertained to you being a woman or that relied on us knowing you are a women
it was weird to say that, Just saying
Secondly " I say it's about time we start screaming from the roof tops that God does not exist."
i get what you're saying, but.. YOU DON'T KNOW IF HE EXISTS, none of us do.
so as wrong as it is for a christian to say that he does exist
it is equally wrong for you to say definitively that he doesn't exist
as wrong as it is for a christian to "spread the word" It is equally wrong for you to shout it from the roof tops
i get where you are coming from though, BUT YOU ARE COMING FROM A POSITION OF FRUSTRATION, which is not a good place to come from.
so i'll give you a solution THAT IS ACTUALLY FACTUAL, and you can feel free to shout this from the rooftops if you nee an itch to scratch
THE BIBLE IS NOT TRUTH
THE BIBLE IS NOT GODS WORD
I'm 49, i've been an ordained minister (now.. Technically i'm currently an ordained minister because when you are ordained you are so for life, my point being... i'm no longer with the church).
Now.. both those statements are absolutely correct. See.. Christians believe that the bible is god's word, I'TS NOT and it's a very very easy thing to prove incorrect.
The bible itself also teaches it is a sin to follow any other word other than the word of god, Jesus taught this and god taught this (supposedly) .
God also taught that if you follow a word other than his own you condemn yourself to hell
so.. you can preach that
How easy is it to prove that... PISS EASY
look in the bible, find the publishing company
Call them and ask them these 2 questions
1. Is this bible god's original word
2. Has this bible been altered in any way from it's original wording
See, BY LAW they have to tell you, and they'll usually answer like this
1. No it's not his original word, it's the INSPIRED WORD of god, which means it's not gods word
(this should be a wake up call for any christian)
2. it has been altered but we are free to alter or change the bible legaly without any prior notification
See.. the thing is , Legally they are obligated to tell you ADVISE YOU its' bullshit,
so as a consumer if you buy it (and it's sold on an AS IS Basis) you are responsible for your eternity . THE LAW IS COOL HUH ? LOL
so it's that easy to prove, just call teh company that wrote it and ask them.
so you can shout that from the roof
so we don't know if god exists
we do know that jesus did exist
but none of that matters if the bible is false
and the bible being false has no bearing on gods reputation nor his existence
Tackle a simpler subject first, one that people will accept easier
THE BIBLE IS NOT GOD'S WORD, simple as that
because from this position.... You are not telling people
- Don't believe in god
- Don't believe in jesus
YOU ARE SAYING.... THAT BOOK THAT YOU HOLD IS COMPLETE BULLSHIT AND IF ANYTHING READING IT DAMNS YOU TO HELL (assuming hell exists)
it then forces them to do this.....
"But i still want to believe in my creator"
GREAT.... THEN PUT YOUR BIBLE DOWN since it goes against him
AND TALK TO HIM DIRECTLY
Imagine this....
A World where every person has put down the bible and knows that it's bullshit.
but some of them have taken to talking to god and say that he is real
Do you now see how much easier the problem is to solve
all they would then have as proof is that they believe god is real
so yeah go shout that from a rooftop
but to say god doesn't exist is not a claim you can make truthfully
but doing it my way achieves your goal in any case, doesn't it?
The only myth here is that your a woman.
@Michelle
Christ wasn't buried
He was PLACED in a tomb
If you understand how a tomb works you'll understand the huge difference
what's a good reason to believe this?
I'm from Europe, I think secular rule makes a society stronger, gets more people involved and willing to put in more work... so I think conservative forces trying to bring us back in the feudal times will eventually fail. The remnants are still there of course, but they'll have to adapt. Just like the Germans and English had to adapt to the French way of organising society after the French revolution... the genie is out of the bottle.
The whole “if you don’t believe what I believe then you’re going to suffer for all eternity” is what really gets me. It’s just ridiculous. 🙄
Jesus: "I have suffered for you, now it is your turn"
Last month on public transit, a sweet young man (20ish) came up to me, complimented my hair and tattoos, and started talking about Jesus. I calmly and politely said “I’m gonna stop you right there. I appreciate the compliments and you seem very lovely, but I am an atheist and I am not interested in religion or Christianity. Thank you and have a good day.”
He left me alone after that and the bus got quiet, but it got me thinking that in all my years taking public transit, I’ve literally never been approached by anyone about atheism, but I’ve experienced probably hundreds of people preaching Christianity to me
My favorite hosts! I was so fucking fed up with this guy, but yall carried on with patience. Love you guy!!
I'm really really curious what he thinks Woke is, because I rarely can get a remotely reasonable explanation of what they mean by "woke" that doesn't boil down to "oh you have empathy for others."
@@cajunking5987 I'd rather be pandered to then murdered.
@@TheMahayanist well, yeah, I guess the other order wouldn't work so well, would it.
@@cajunking5987 You're so full of crap, I can smell you through the laptop.
Woke, in Jay's mind and many others': "A person who is bad because they want me to lose all the privileges I think I have because I support the rich and conservative that would make my life better because of trickle-down economics"
@@cajunking5987 yep. There is a reason why you give consistent definitions with zero valid examples. Woke is just something that hurts conservative minded people’s feelings. Thats why while their definitions will be consistent, their whining about something being “woke” isnt.
Lunatics will define it to seem like they are just calling out corporations changing their logo to a rainbow while financially supporting anti lgbt groups (
"Jeesus loves you is hateful" 2:10
Forrest that was very well put! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I was a ‘believer’ for far too many years and I hate the fact that I must’ve sounded as ignorant as that caller at some point in my life ,I mean the deep shame I feel that I once espoused those ideas is almost too much to bear.
Greetings from Tucson, Arizona..
Just discovered your channel and subscribed.
I grew up in Virginia's 1950's Eastern Klan Country, learning all 'bout god's love.
It's easier to fool people, than to convince them that they've been fooled.