What If Rome Never Fell? | Alternate History
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- What if the Western Roman Empire never collapsed, and survived long into the later centuries alongside the Byzantine Empire? Why did Rome fall in the first place, and how could it have been avoided?
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het monsieur z, if you keep doing videos about rome, can you make one on what if rome remained a republic, ruled by the senate?
This would be a tough video to make
What if there was no European colonies what would the world look like
The Australian colonies of the Eastern Roman Empire at 7:20 are a little confusing. They're incredibly dry hot areas that'd need a lot of imports to survive.
Byzantines might colonise Indonesia more effectively and use their colonies from there to wall off Asia from expansion into Australia while they manage the natives and future colonists from there.
What if the Spartacist Rebellion succeeded?
What if Prussia and Austria united to form Greater Germany through a union of the Hollenzoren and Hapsburg household.
"What if Rome never fell?"
Don't do that. Don't give me hope
Did it really fall?
Her glory envelops me.
Her architecture
Her faith
Her folk
Europa
Amen
Straight-arm salutes to all
Empire
One word: *IMPERIUM OF [insert word]*
You'd hope to be slave in Rome, which most likely you'd be in Rome
It is still on the map, I see videos from Rome all the time.
@@Joshua_N-A Holy Terra
This scenario is why there's an SPQR namelist in Stellaris.
Wait what
Yes. And the first name in the list is Marcus Aurelius.
????
@@cedartheyeah.justyeah.3967 space roman empire.
@@rb9835 Ah okay
A perfect world doesn’t exi...
HEY I WANT TO WRITE THA-
*_Tripertito ag dynastia, etiam interdum relatum ut ut in prima aucti dynastia, imperator Romanus est ab dynastia, qui regnavit ab XCVI ad LXIX. Founder - Vespasianum_*
F B a true unified Europe, where everyone speaks Latin, not like EU
@@mario0289 You mean the entire world would speak Latin.
Mysterious Entity nope, only Western Europe, and also America would speak Latin, Eastern Europe would speak Greek, China would speak Chinese, Iran would speak Persian, and India would speak Hindi
Mario 02 It wouldn’t be called Europe it would just be Rome.
So many people are so Rome oriented about history. And I like that.
I know the feeling ;)
Meh for me I love history and the greatest thing about Rome is the fact that it has an inordinate amount of impact on western civ and by extension civilization as a whole, as well as an ungodly amount of artifacts, writings, documents, art, pottery, architecture, crafts, grafitti, etc...
Its amazing because you can truly see the humanness in the past and thus feel a sense of connection. That we aren't separate from our history, but a result of it.
Dovahatty gave you justice my emperor.
The Roman Empire is one of my favorite periods of history to study, and I do geek a bit when it comes to video games like the Europa Universalis series with a Rome mod, or the Total War games.
But, fortunately for us in the modern world, the Roman Empire did fall. Romans simply didn't put much emphasis on "natural physics", what we now know as science. If they had been successful, there would have been little reason to advance much. Thus, technology would have been as stagnant as the thousand years before. We would not have any of the modern conveniences we have now, nor would we have any of the modern political or ideological concepts we have. The idea that slavery was bad, for instance, would take forever to get to, because without the motivation of technology to make slavery an irrelevant luxury for the elite, there would be no pressure to get rid of it.
I know people say "look at all of the great works of engineering that Rome created". And you are right. They created them because they need them, and that motivated them to figure out how to make them. And then they did nothing with that gained knowledge to advance it at all. Knowledge itself was simply never a priority in Roman culture. Call it arrogance or whatever you like, the whole concept of knowledge for the sake of knowledge did not come from Rome. The ideas of exploration and human curiosity didn't either. They came from Renaissance Europe and from the Enlightenment. And it can easily be seen none of that would have happened without many important minds from non-Roman Italy that would not have existed or be in a culture to produce them, if Rome never fell.
Large empires breed stagnation. Look at China. By all rights China should have been far more advanced than everyone. Yet they couldn't even stand up to the Mongols, and later to pretty much anyone else. Only now in the 2000s has China finally become powerful enough to be an actual world power. And even so, they have borrowed heavily from the West to get to that point.
Even the culture of Rome is incompatible with the cultures of the modern West. Romans would be very alien to us. Very much of our cultures come from Celtic, Gallic, Slavic, and Germanic origin. What we inherited from Rome is mostly on the surface. Things our ancestors learned from Rome. Writing, monotheistic religion, the calendar, some basic concepts of governance and military. But our underlying cultures evolved from a hundred non-Roman regions in Europe. And the motivations for technological advancement were from all of these regions vying for control over resources, national pride, and power. Europe became a cauldron of competition because Rome fell. And competition breeds change and advancement.
If that didn't happen, we would be something like 16th century level of knowledge, and with the vast majority of people illiterate and ignorant, many still enslaved.
And frankly, I do not see the western Roman Empire ever colonizing much of anything on the American continents. The strengths of the Roman military were in drill and logistics. Not technology. And the technology of the Roman military cannot be expected to go much past late Middle Age levels by 2020. There just wasn't any motivation to do so. Logistics across the Atlantic would be a no go. The natives of north and south America were close enough technologically, and in superior numbers, that they could drive the Romans out, and the Romans could not get supplies and men enough to counter it in time. Western Rome would consider it a losing and expensive proposition, with little to show for it but maybe some island colonies. Perhaps in the 2300s or 2400s or something, Rome could do it in that timeline, but not by now.
Rome fell, not because of certain events or certain emperors or anything like that. It fell because it had inherent flaws. It was an empire that supported a small elite class, not a great people. And any such empire will ultimately fall. I do not believe in the idea that all great powers must eventually fall by the way. But if an empire is built around an aristocracy or a class of people it serves to the detriment of almost everyone else, it will fall eventually. With or without any revolution, plague, or barbarians at the gate. It simply stagnates. It has no reason or motivation to change. And when a state doesn't change for long enough, it dies.
A period of tradition and honor for Western men should be revered and aspired to accordingly.
“Where is Rome?”
In my heart.
Greatest name
Thee bestest name
@Christian Ok Read it years ago, it was meh. Disavow AllWheelDrive.
@@MandenTV rome
I'm glad there aren't any liberals in this reply section. You'd get cancelled for a name as hilarious as that!
This is like junk food for European eyes.
@Jack Reagan what tells you he is hates whites?
He easily could simply be using "black propaganda" or propaganda where you pretend to be on one side and say stupid things in a effort to push people to the other side
Or he easily could just be joking
Or he could point out how much a Romaboo wank this is
@Jack Reagan My guy... I *am* white.
@Jack Reagan bro i am asian and i really fascinated with roman empire
@Jack Reagan that wasn't an insult it's supposed to mean you cannot get enough of it. I understand why you are frustrated however the anti-European hatred is seemingly everywhere. please ask the meaning or inquire more before jumping to conclusions In the future.
@@jafneezakwan5810 he jumped to conclusions due to the massive amount of anti-European hate being produced and pushed.
"In time Rome healed, and its civilization once more grew and flourished. The city, saved by an unsung hero would go on to stand for thousands of years. Rome would endure, from then until the last days of man."
I get the Reference.
Great Game.
Rome will never die because she will continue to live on in our hearts
No, rome is dead.
@@luzifershadres72 Leave.
@@mickud5184 No.
Reject Rome. Prussia is eternal.
@@luzifershadres72 that’s disgusting dude.
Barbarians pretending to be an Empire? Cute.
@@sega616 Thats disgusting? Look in the look in the mirror to see somthing truly disgusting.
Also, its pathetic that italy tried it multiple times to get an empire again.
Prussia on the other hand was much greater than Rome in terms of the people, the romans were from the personality the same trash as you.
Why couldn't I be born in this timeline? Well time to teach myself quantum physics to invent a portal gun.
Just will yourself to the alternate timeline, your molecules are also subject to quantum effects.
Been there, everything smells like shit.
@@carlosandleon Will DMT help?
@@matusmotlo3854 go for it
they didn't have toilet paper so no thanks lol
Alternative Title: What if Rome started the 40k universe?
so true. the bit of sejanus made me realise it was much deeper in the rome roots than before thought. Captain Hastur Sejanus, Peator of the IV Company of the Luna Wolfs.
i only thought it was style of rule and some terms but even names and persons are direct references for the enlightened.
Ave Imperator
Rome still falls in the 40k universe
@@sevatar2777 when did ultramar fall?
@@gubbikiller no
Dovahatty’s worst nightmare will destroy by this wonderful video.
Not just his but all of ours as well
@Arno Ilir yup or if fausta didn't lust for power
The one and only historian of the modern age.
Dovahhatty, the tyrant monke
Aurelian.....🥺
I hope the Rome stuff keeps coming. I can't wait for the Space Romans remake.
Patrick Snyder ok nigga
The WHAT?
Like the cut New Vegas ending?
How about a *"What if Russia won the Crimean war?"* Or a *"What if Austria aided the Russians in the Crimean war?"* That would have major implications on European politics.
Oi
Austria helping Russia in the Crimean war makes no sense...
Napoléon Bonaparte it kinda does. Austria and Russia were two autocratic empires that had sour relations with the Ottomans. Russia came to Austria’s aid against the Hungarian revolt a few years earlier. The two would have a lot to gain from the Ottomans.
Yea i really want to know about this scenario because it can posibbly lead to a very strong Russia and Russia could be the dominant European powers and a better navy because of the new ports
@@whiteipod2000
Your the typical guy that doesn't understand anything about geopolitics. Russia didn't help Austria by charity but because allowing Hungarian nationalism or revolutionnary fervor would pave the way for Poles.
I would say that Russia helping Austria is maybe the only reason Austria didn't join France and Britain.
Austria didn't have "sour" relations with the Ottomans, in fact nobody had bad relations with Ottomans at the time. The Ottomans were the sick man of Europe and when you're weak nobody hates you.
Let me ask you a question? Austria was worried by which of its neighbourgs? Gigantic Russia that was growing more and more becoming so powerfull that would threaten the balance of powers and supported the orthodox in the balkans OR a weak empire that was not a threat for anybody?
"bringing an end to the roman republic ushering in the roman empire"
In order to ensure our security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire for a safe and secure society.
L o l
Long live the empire!
wow, so many Rome videos. seems like you have got a whole series on alternate history scenarios with Rome.
An idea suggestion: What if Ming China did not became isolationist and continued with the naval voyages started under Zheng He.
Another idea what If the HRE never balkanized
I think what would happen is that ming dynasty would be a large colonial empire?
@@Newbmann literally how it formed though bro, you mean if it centralised.
@@oppionatedindividual8256 was just as centralized as france which was very decentralized before the lombard league wars and north german nobles rebelled forcing the empire to be a much more balkanized feudel state than your average one.
If you want it to be more in depth what if the hre didnt give concessions to the lombard league.
@@Newbmann why is France your basis of centralisation? England was significantly ahead in this period in such matters. In the 12th century it was considered the 2nd most wealthy entity ( in that of its current account ) in all of Europe, not owing to tremendous natural resources, or extensive lands, as the 1st, the Byzantines had, but rather due to the existence of the exchequer, allowing for incredibly efficient taxation compared to its contemporaries. England is what I’m basing my idea of centralisation on for the period allotted, partly as I’m English.
Don't worry about Rome, it won't fall
It will never fall.
HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN
It's not called the eternal city for nothing!
"Said Constantine while leaving Rome to barbarian invasion"
Also is that a motherfucking Bill Wurtz reference?
Avery the Cuban-American See?!
AVE IMPERIVM ROMANVM!
ROMA AETERNA INVICTA VICTRIX
Ave, True to Caesar!
AVE IMPERIVM ROMANVM
@@luckyowlofficial5220 great reference!
@@docmexicano6649 I'm glad someone finally got the reference lol
Attempt 4: but changed
What if Julius Ceaser was never assassinated?
What if Japan became Christian in the 1600s?
What if Canada adopted Social credit during the great depression?
What if the USSR and India became one country somehow ?
What if Russia won the Crimean war? Or Austria helped ?
What if China modernized in the 1600s?
What if Carthage defeated Rome?
What if The Holy Roman Empire actually united into one country and became an actual empire(centralized HRE)?
What if North America had large horses like european horses?
What if Western Rome became
fascist?
What if The fall of western Rome was so scary for the Byzantines that they became fascistic?
What if the Soviets reached the Moon first?
What if Aurelian was never assassinated?
@Nom Anor Not exactly, Phillipines became Catholic under the rule of the Spanish and later under the rule of the U.S. What if Japan became a catholic state with no one ruling over them? I'm pretty sure a religious change like that wouldnt just turn them into a shit hole
What if west rome was fascist and east rome was communist?
@@KraNisOG This.
What if the French industrialised instead of the British (the darkest timeline)
I always wondered why the Romans didn't try to take all of Alexander's former empire including Mesopotamia, Medea, Persia, Parthia, Bactra, Gedrosia, and Greek India. This was one of the puzzling questions. I think Hadrians retreat was a major mistake.
I started to cry at the end (man, I miss rome) :(
Me to kimmy
I know right. Trump runied rome i hate that orange
Ahh the good old days when we all lived in Rome, and definitely remember it
@@pinklasagna8328 this
@@pinklasagna8328 Make Rome Great Again!😁
You’re on a big rome kick recently
Well I believe it was Invicta that went on a Carthage kick. Gotta go on a time kick to see who will win round 4 of Rome vs Carthage
Edit: Rome
Best kick ever!
We NEED a 30 minute version of this that extends to the 21st century
What if the Seleucid Empire never fell and restored Alexander's Empire under their rule?
The best alternate history about Rome I've ever seen!
I'm curious how (during equivalent of OTL XIX and XX century) a potential war between East and West empires would have looked like.
Or would they have more of an alternate Cold War, driving each other to continuously attempt to one up the other in technological advances, wealth, development of land, acquisition of new lands and assimilation of peoples, overall stability.
And lastly once there’s no land left on earth to grab for either side and technology has advanced enough through this eternal “arms race”, they begin a century of racing to space, then the moon, then mars and Venus, and in following centuries this drive to outdo each other only grows as the consolidation of earth is ever more stable and attention to the stars is increased as the absolute means of out doing each other.
This somewhat friendly rivalry between very similar nations based on either side of the lands encircling the Mediterranean, eventually leading to permanent inhabitants in stations on other worlds, the olden value for developing things you know won’t be completed for generations to come is more likely to hold strong and works perfectly for enabling the patient terraforming of distant worlds to commence with the intention thousands of years later of competing for the most habitable worlds and entire solar systems.
When both sides are still eerily similar in past and present in so many ways, and benefit from their 1 on 1 rivalry more than either would if one had unmatched dominance, it would be completely moronic to go into all out war. This two nation humanity isn’t stuck in the tenuous balance our reality has always known, where becoming a world hegemony is actually beneficial in many cases, and destroying/crippling opponents assists your nations growth.
It’s an actual situation with genuine potential for a major lacking of wars between the two nations, just smaller internal wars and minor border conflicts instead.
now I'm just depressed we cant live in this superior world
Basically the Byzantine Empire is Roman Empire. The termin Byzantium is fictional in XVI century
Yeah, but they were Greeks. Of course it's difficult to define, but it ws far more Greek than Roman. But I liked the Italian reconquest by the Byzantines.
@@gs7828 The Bizantines spoke Greek (which was also a known language to any Italian noble), but they called themselves "Romans", they used Roman institutions, they had the myth of the ancient glory of Rome, and so on.
Anyway, even the late Western Empire wasn't the Rome of the Mos Maiorum: they were a...different kind of Romans...
Byzantium is previous name of Constantinople
The Romans were more like the US. The eastern romans were more like Russia. Big difference
@@jorehir A Germanic Barbarian Rome, yes
Man, this timeline would make for an epic EU4 mod.
Why not simply convert a CK2 game after restoring the western Roman Empire? Possibly even after you get the SPQR achievment?
@@thedukeofdeathpt6262 While it's possible to do that, the game doesn't really adapt very well to specific situations that leave the scope of the timeline it handles. With the same eras happening, the lack of events/mechanics to compensate and a lack of recognition by other countries unrealistically still trying to press historical continuity, it would make for a very bland EU4 game. It would be as if you started an already won game of byzantium.
When I made that comment I was thinking of something along the lines of the Third Odyssey mod, something that tackles the what-if scenario with the deepness it deserves. it was wishful thinking at best.
There was once a dream that an eagle once stood tall. And that dream was Rome. It happened and forever will eternal Rome live in our hearts. Let the eagle fly high for the glory of Rome! Ave Roma!
"why are you crying son?"
Me:Its.. beautiful
Varus, Quintilius Varus, GIVE ME BACK MY LEGIONS
I love this 1 if you could or would. Could you make a sequel explaining about the other countries or something similar to that?
Well it would be funny hearing Mike Tyson talk about Juliuth Theather and Thithero
😆
It definitely brings up interesting discussions on how we would be today had Rome not fallen.
This man narrates so well that untill he said 'what if that changed' I thought I was in a Documentary of Rome video, and loving it!
You should do a part 2 to this video, continue the story line
Imagine how advanced the world would be all these massive empires competing with each other at such a early point in history don’t forgot by the end of the roman empire they were semi industrialized
Bs, middle Ages were more technologically advanced than romans.
Yes this is the video I've been waiting for
I really love all of you're videos!!! Continue Rome streak Monsieur z!!!
That map at the end, possibly the most beautiful thing I've seen in my life
I saw you comment on a Mr Creeps video! Luckily I’m subscribed to both of y’all!
This is probably the most epic timeline you’ve done to date. Cheers
This has probably been my favorite video from you.
Thanks for improving the audio quality. Now I can finally listen to my favourite Althistorian without using a woofer
What if the Indus Valley Civilization never collapsed?
It'd be so interesting!
What if Atlantis never sank and its knowledge and technology progressed for an unbroken 11,000 years to today?
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as normal as assassinations in the roman empire
Normius Maximus
This perfectly satisfies my Rome fanboy side. Love this video I was born in the wrong universe. Please put me there.
We have the same name, my name is also Axel
I've been sub for a while i really like your content
It would be interesting to hear how this could have affected the growth and development of Christianity. Especially because Eastern Orthodox Christianity looks so different from Western in part because of the move to Byzantium. And how that would affect future Roman religious movements. I actually disagree that traditional Roman religious structures would have synchronized however, this was attempted on a few occasions. Even to modify simple doctrines would have been a challenge considering Constantine attempted something like this with the Counsel of Nicaea. Christianity was gaining a lot of cultural influence and by the third and fourth centuries Rome was dominated by Christian thought and practice. Because Christianity was also originally from the East it may have done even better moving East with the power structure of an empire. Just some thoughts.
What if Yellowstone erupted during the U.S. civil war?
When specifically?
1863ish
Depends on how bad the eruption is. Worst case scenario 90% of all life on earth dies.
Well, slavery would then be the least of their worries
@@aegonii8471 What would happen to the World then? (Talkin' geographical)
Almost made me cry, great video.
Glorious.. it brings a tear to my eye.
Love your channel, love all this roman shit. Keep it up brah.
Imperium Invictus: The undefeated empire. Sounds like a dream...
As always, Britain escapes being part of a unified European State
Napoleon, Hitler, Von der Leyen...
Litteraly every Time!
Seems kinda bullshit though, after the East conquered Persia I’m sure the western emperor would be desperate to find something to conquer.
Not even the EU can keep them
I imagine Britannia in this timeline to look very interesting, I wonder if the exposure to roman technology would have them become a unified Celtic kingdom and Later in more modern times have them become a unified Celtic nation state with a few small colonies, yet always being at odds with roman imperial power which would last well into the age of gunpowder
@@aegonii8471 MALI
This is great. Im writing a book and im using this info to make sense of rome not falling. Thank you
Can we also create a video - What if Ottoman fell to the Russian Empire and Byzantium was reconstructed under Russian control?
@Nom Anor it would be an interesting scenario and if possible, a video on it would be nice
@Nom Anor lol I never heard that Russia is converting.
Nom Anor lmao what? Putin is practically in bed with the Orthodox Church
Nom Anor Don’t talk mad shit about someone who is in crusaiding distance.
@Nom Anor Mate, I hate to tell you but you will live to see Islam die. From within. Your own followers hate it. It won't happen anytime soon, but it will happen within the next 50-60 years for sure.
Since you've done a "What if the Holy Roman Empire became fascist" and are currently doing a series of Rome videos, why not go crazy and do a "What if *the Roman Empire* became fascist?" video?
@toaritok yes, in fact fascism was inspired by the Roman sistem partly
Roma Invicta aeternum
Well it kinda already was
@@giovannimonttii9468 also the Fasces, originally Roman symbol, is pretty self explanatory, especially looking at the name.
The Roman Empire still had some democratic elections, and the emperor still had to rely on the senate to help govern. Fascism was much different and wouldn’t work with the Roman Empire as it would have no desire to do so.
Bro. Luv your vids. What I would like to see from you if possible. Make a video that show the phoenician migration and all the connections they have with alot of these civilizations. I think folks would be amazed to see greater composition of what us humans are. And sense it's a subject that most would find hard to grasp it would be right up your alley Of theoretical outcomes of history. Be warned though. If you made a video like that it's gonna go viral
Honestly, I stopped paying attention for a bit, but the Rome content has rlly brought me back to the channel lately
"what if Rome never fell?" what do you mean?
It never fell, it stands tall and proud in my heart.
Can’t remember the show but it was years ago but it had showed some inventor in Rome made a “steam spinning ball”. Now what they postulated next was really blew my mind. Had they paired it with a piston they might’ve jump started the industrial revolution a couple thousand years early. Some of the ancient mechanical devices uncovered definitely show they weren’t short of creative inspired people with talent.
Actually that happened somewhat : there were a few steam rotative engines here and there (not pistons but spinning wheels) in the Levant, Egypt and Asia Minor that were used mostly to raise water and they lasted through the early Muslim Empire, but the very idea that it could be a source of prosperity hadn't come to any entrepreneur's mind.
That was a very good video i love other dimensions kinda stuff a lot
I love all the Rome videos keep it up
This ep reminds me of an AH I once read in an anthology, but I don't quite remember all the details. At any rate in that timeline, Rome (West) integrated the Germans early on, who would proceed to bear the brunt of the military needs of the empire, soon becoming the backbone of the Empire itself. So "Rome" survived and prospered but the centre of power shifted north of the Alps, while retaining the cultural and engineering achievements of the south. Don't remember the rest of it, though.
What if the Fall Of Constantinople sparked a new crusade against the Ottomans?
Depends who does the crusades and how much money they can pull together. Well funded, well organized, well equipped, and with good leadership, Islam would probably be eradicated. Israel would have been created long before it was in our timeline.
@@bigredwolf6 Do you think it's possible such a thing could have happend?
sgauden02 Only if everything went well. Doesn’t really need to go perfect, just well enough. Can’t win a war without money, men, material, morale, and good leadership. If I remember right, Constantinople fell because the ottomans had a great General and a big ass cannon. If it were me, I’d send people in to sabotage things before I invaded. I’d also claim to be raising troops for expositions in Africa, when really I’m headed to Constantinople. Deception has its uses. Also, I’d have quite a few merchant vessels dedicated to being mobile supply depots for water and less perishable foods. Instead of marching some of my troops everywhere I’d invest in wagons for a kind of mobile infantry division. You know to send them on raids. I’d also train small units to specialize in night raids. It also depends when the crusade takes place. 10 years afterwards? 50? Hell what if it didn’t happen until the 1900’s? I’d like to see a scenario where WW1 is a crusade instead of Europe tearing itself apart.
@@bigredwolf6Do you think the Pope could have sold the idea of a new crusade to recapture Constantinople?
@@sgauden02 The pope back then tried to start a crusade but he couldn't get enough support for it, as France and England were exhausted.
I needed this video
Amazing vid
Suggestion: What if ancient Israel never fell
What if situations I'd like to see:
1. What if Rome successfully eradicated Christianity before it got big?
2. What if Rome made peace with Persia (long before Islam was created)?
1. No crusades
2. No crusades
Edit: or, if you’re a fan of bread boys, both options are heresy
@@bigredwolf6 man I'm a fan of them but the idea looks fine.
@@bigredwolf6 yeah but no islam
no islam = good
@@asd3601 even better
It's nice to return here once in a while
Assuming they achieve 20th and 21st century technology prior to the 19th century, you could expect them to collapse or suffer extreme unrest in the 1859 with the Carrington Event.
Ahhh a Neverending Pax Romana I can get down with that
This would be an amazing book
It would be great to have an alternate history video about Antiochus the 3rd winning against the Romans
Awesome extrapolation. I do wish you had a legend on the map, though.
What if an Italian prince/king/government took Machiavelli’s writing to heart? The Prince and Discourse of Livy. Would there be a unified Italy?
@@roborbiettinoisgone392my man skiped a few updates
So, Cesare Borgia?
If Rome never fell, your average American would actually know who Valentino Rossi is.
lol
This is my favorite Rome what if scenario.
Roma Invicta!
My new favorite video
Attempt 1
You can choose any of the 5 question:
What if the Philippines was never a colony?
What if William Henry Harrison lived longer?
What if Japan have a civil war during WW2?
What if Portugal was still a monarchy?
Annnnnnnnnd...
*What if Rome never existed?*
There are my 5 question. Choose one for your next video. ^_^
1- What if Rome never fell, but had their boarders essentially reduced to the modern borders of Italy today, in much the same way Britain was reduced to its current day size? You’d have a people and government essentially contiguous from, well, Ancient Rome with all the social influence and perception such a thing would reflect.
2- _What if Rome won WW2?_
Kind of Impossible since they moved the capital to Constantinople, that part of the Roman Empire became a bastion of Roman Culture.
So you'd have Maybe an Italian-Greek State
Best one yet.
Brings a tear to my eyes
Really interesting points tackled in this timeline.
However, one thing I don't understand is Islam. Why on earth would Islam have succeeded in this timeline?
The main Muslim expansion happened during the Ummayad era and this was mainly due to them being able to use the resources and manpower of rich Syria and Egypt. Actually, with no WW1-style war between the Sassanids and the Eastern Romans, the Sassanids might actually have been solid enough to ward off any tribal invasion from the deserts that would have otherwise succeeded against a wide and depleted empire as have happened in our time. In the very least, a strong Roman Empire would not have just sat and watched as the Muslims kept expanding in the east. it would be too tempting not to attack at least in Mesopotamia.
@@islamisthetruth3402 wow. I don't even know where to begin. You clearly have next to no understanding of Islam and its history and how it spread. My comment was in response to the idea in the video that an Arab/Islamic nation is going to rise and spread eastwards.
Hi. I believe you are right - in this timeline Islam would almost certainly have failed as an imperial endeavour. Both the East Romans and Sassanids would have been able to maintain their centuries long alliances with major North Arabian confederations and prevented any non friendly Arab invasion into the Levant and Mesopotamia.
In addition without the extreme monotheism of the real timeline the population of the Levant and Egypt would not have been of dubious loyalty due to religious differences between imperial government and provincials.
Remake a latin version of this so we can take a time machine back in time to give this to Agustus himself
Now I only need this as a transcript so that I can add this as a description to my next Stellaris Roman playthrough.
This truly is the greatest timeline
I know that it's an esoteric question, but this is one that rests on my mind to be pondered - what if the Mihirung, the Megafauna Birds of Australia were somehow domesticated to take the role of the Horse in both Agriculture, Logistics, and Warfare within Australia - and potentially even exported to Papua in that form, rather than going extinct?
I love how crazy but fascinating this idea is.
I'm glad you think so! :)
Real life chocobos!!!!!
@@custink22 Yeah!
I ended up trying to do more research into it.
And honestly.
The implications for if Australia got the much more powerful agricultural base [than it had IRL before colonisation] BEFORE the Mihirung went extinct are much bigger than actually having Mihirung. You end up with agriculture happening around the time it happened in the Middle-East.
So... there's a lot of ways that could really go.
@@flygonbreloom sounds about right. Some small changes here and there and history could be exponentially different. Its pretty interesting to think about how things would have been different
Seeing the Americas become part of western Rome brings joy to my heart, can’t wait to see the inevitably fight against the east.
hm.......60/40 on that in the not so good way
You should cover "A very British civil war " scenario. It's really cool
As cool as this would be, its impossible for Rome not to fall. Because a scenario in which Rome doesn't fall, would mean that Rome isn't the Rome we know.
The issue was that Roman political society was based on conquest, war and expanding territory. This was how success was measured and how power was obtained and kept. But this ultimately leads to one outcome for a society, you'll stretch yourself too thin, too many enemies trying to see you fall and eventually, you'll be swallowed on all sides by your said enemies (which is what eventually did happen to Rome).
I don't think it was ever possible for Rome to not fall. The way their society was run, the way that the system worked, it was based on a "eat or be eaten" mentality, the system was like this from its very inception to its last breath.
For Rome not to fall, they would have to not be the type of empire we remember and if that were the case, they just wouldn't be Rome.
Maybe the Real Roman Empire, was the friends we made along the way?
If the Roman Empire survives to the present day, then we would be colonizing other planets instead of talking about it
more like conquering other planets
Or they could have neglected military tech in favor of philosophy, culture, and civilian politics trying to keep a gigantic empire together, since you only need knives for Roman style cut-throat politics.
After all, the ancient Greeks were just a few steps away from discovering the steam engine and spark the industrial revolution two millenia earlier. But they didn't bother, since what do you need automata for when you have slaves?
Nicky Liu Well you have to feed your slaves. They need sleep. They get sick. They die. They revolt. If you have the same amount of slaves and they’re trained to operate machinery, your output will still increase by a lot
@@nickyliu8762 where would they get slaves from on the scale needed? What I mean is they have to keep conquering territories to get the slaves in the numbers they'd need.
So, industrialization, in my opinion, would eventually have happened.
"we"?
You wouldn't exist. The circumstances that led to your birth would certainly not happen in such a different timeline.
I would like to hear your thoughts on industrialisation. As the Roman's where studying the subject but deemed it too expensive/ putting alot of slavers out of business as it would make slaves useless.
That was not the reason : most of the heavy work was perfomed by soldiers, not slaves. Windmills and water wheels were much cheaper to operate than steam egines (there were a few, working with spinning turbine wheels, but they were not efficient and fuel was limited at best).
A perfect time line
You should put a legend so we know exactly wut each color is for
Red: western empire
Purple: eastern empire
I want to live in this universe
this does put a smile on my face
Please make a sequel!