What if Rome Never Conquered Britain? | Alternate History
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- What if Julius Caesar and the Roman Empire never invaded the island of Britain, setting in motion the later conquest of the island and the Celtic Briton tribes by Emperor Claudius, thus allowing the British Catuvellauni to unify the South of the Britannia or what we would know today as England? How does this change British history? That is the subject of this alternate history scenario.
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One alt history idea I haven’t seen anywhere is what if as Western Rome was falling the emperor never recalled the legions and the majority of the roman bureaucracy from Britain and thus they were able to repel the Anglo-Saxon invasions and maintain an independent Roman subculture in Britain.
What if kaiser wilheilm (WW1) was never born. I couldn’t remember if I commented this before or not.
@@patrickyoung2479 this does sound like a good suggestion
Can you do a what if African Americans had their own country
How about "What if the US became communist?
This would probably have happened during the great depression as Americas workforce was desperate for work and basic necessities. It would only require 2 basic alterations.
1. A tried and failed attempt by a group of wealthy elites to overthrow FDR in the wake of his New Deal and tax hikes. This would cement the idea of the rich as bourgeoisie seeking to undermine American ideals.
2. The American Communist parties of the time would see that they have to divorce Communist itself from the image of Stalinist Russia. So they coordinated and "Americanized" Communism by putting a Communist slant on the Bill of Rights and adopting the Contribution Doctrine. The idea that one could own property, hold religious service, and many other functions not allowable under the staunch Soviet or Marxist model provided that you gave fair and equal contribution to the society that allowed this to happen.
*Somewhere in another plain of existence* :
What if rome conquered Britain?
Some Random Celtic Briton:It'd probably suck
Though not literally that, since if Rome hadn't invaded Britania the English language would not have come into existence!
Edit: I am referring to the idea that the Saxons would not have invaded Britain either if the Romans had not, as discussed (at length) in the video.
@@scottclowe English is a germanic language brought by the saxons, whereas french,italian and spanish are latin descendends.
more like;
*what if 't be true rome invad'd england*
@Donny J.S Venatus Yes, indeed! Did you watch the video at all? The video discusses what the Romans would do if they did not invade Britain, and claims they would have consolidated their German occupation more strongly with the forces that did not go to Britain. At 12:47 they go on to say that this would mean the Saxons would not have invaded Britain either. Hence there would be no Germanic influence in Britain, and my statement that there would be no British language.
Fun fact: modern construction in England and Wales (Not Scotland because the Romans didn't conquer them hence hadrians wall) often uncovers roman structures and burial grounds. In London a few years back they were digging the foundations of a new building and they found a colosseum!
The Romans were at their limit. Northern Britain, like Ireland, gave a very poor risk/reward profile. What is now England and Wales had agriculture, copper, tin, gold and a forgiving climate. Romans had no interest in bogs and mountains.
@@eleveneleven572 The Scotch parts of England, Glasgow, Edinburg (sp?), Aberdeen and so on are primitive to this day.
Modern construction has also unveiled Celtic British archaeology beneath the Roman stuff, including planned towns, called oppida, that had been established by the south-eastern tribes before the Roman invasion, such as in Silchester, Colchester and London. These places were all founded by the Britons and the Romans simply built their own cities on top, even though they are widely credited with founding these settlements.
What if Britain stayed Roman.
Like the Roman officials that were still in charge after the Romans abandoned Britannia.
What if Britain stayed Home
They wouldn't have an IRA problem
Britain would probably be more engaged in the main land of Europe
Isn't Welsh the closest to the Roman Bretons?
Alt history: What if Harold Godwinson won the Battle of Hastings in 1066?
The English language would be far, far less idiotic
the world would be a better place
@@boxisyt it would be better if Harald Hardrada won
@@DabobbyG937 i speak norwegian so Yes
@@boxisyt my G
Awesome video, thanks for having me!
Any time, pal!
Woah this like a burger
You're welcome! :)
This is pretty Interesting.
It is isn’t it.
Yes
Since you're on a Rome streak right now, what if Pompey defeated Caesar?
What if Teutoburg never happened?
@@bakthihapuarachchi3447 that's a good one too
@Bakthi
Wouldn't Cleopatra use her Eastern sorcery to turn Rome into a Greater Egypt?
@@MonsieurDean *Looks at my latin heritage*
*looks at Cleopatra conquering Rome*
I should hate this but... If the tyrant is a hot girl I have no complaints.
@@nerobernardino88 MORE 👏 FEMALE 👏 DICTATORS 👏
Attempt 3:
What if Japan became Christian in the 1600s?
What if Canada adopted Social credit during the great depression?
What if the USSR and India became one country somehow ?
What if Russia won the Crimean war? Or Austria helped ?
What if The Aztecs had beaten the Spanish and acquired horses.
What if The Holy Roman Empire actually united into one country and became an actual empire
What if the Soviets reached the Moon first?
Oh my God
What if Britain joined the Central Powers in WW1?
@@nerobernardino88 what if Britain never declared war on the Germans WW1
what if the Romans invaded all of the British isles
what if the roman empire split up more regionally eg Britannia Gaul
What if Alexander conquered Western Europe instead of Persia and Asia Minor?
This does sound interesting
Or, what if he'd lived another 15 to 20 years longer.
@ also the west was poor and backward compared to the east
He would've done it faster and he would have been poor,but hellenism would have a presence in the west,when he dies,a greek would have emerged that could potencial defeat the romans,that alone changes everything in western europe,people would speak a deviation of greek in france and iberia,instead of a deviation of latin but alexander wouldnt be known trought history as the greatest conquerer if he conquered the west,we know him that way because he conquered the greatest empire there was at the time,not some tribes west of the greece
Rome would never form, Greece would remain the center of Western civilization. Alexander would clash with Carthage and conquer it. Then his empire would still be divided among officers, while Persia would try to slowly retake forces to strike at Greece at any moment. That means the Post-alexanders empire states would allie against persia when they attacked. Jesus would be born in the Persian empire, and Christianity would become prominent in Persia. Persia would remain a strong empire and without being busy great force in the west (Byzantium) it would not be weakened when the Arabs would attack. Its really up in the air though and it's almost unpredictable
Can you do What if Ohio was admitted to the US as a native american state?
What if Brazil was still a monarchy?
What if the Inca repelled the Spanish?
Brazil would prob be more involved with the entente and depending on how much land they still had they would be the face of SA and depending how powerful the US was maybe the entire americas
@Seth Foreman why would they send people from India to Ohio? Last I checked Indians came Asia not North America
I think the only Native American Nation that was big enough to join the US as a State was the Iroquois Confederacy. How about that for an alternative?
@Neocon Ingsoctrination I'm not being politically correct , just trying to be accurate. Although Cowboys versus actual Indians would be pretty cool.
@@keithharper32 u.s. alternatively could adopt a more Persian model aka :
"You've just been annexed. Welcome to the Empire, citizens; tax day is April 15th. Do not resist".
I really love how he makes unique flags each episode
What if Japan won the Imjin War and conquered Korea before Toyotomi Hideyoshi died?
They would go onto China as originally planned, may have done well, may not, but there was an opportunity in China which is why they invaded Korea not expecting it to be a problem as a steppingstone to China.
@@James-sk4db I don't think so honestly, at least not by the time of Hideyoshi's death as he was the main driving force behind it and the rest of the nation was exhausted while the Ming were already aware of the threat and would fortify their borders after the intervention failed. If Ieyasu still manages to come into power afterwards then I could see him pulling back and being content with holding Korea after he fights another exhausting civil war. My main hope of this timeline is that it prevents the Japanese from committing to isolationism later, as the looming threat of the Qing starts to emerge, causing them to keep their modern gunpowder army to repel them and allows Japan to maintain contact with the outside world and industrialize much earlier.
@@krimzonstriker7534 Guess that depends where he dies and how long the war lasted
Here's a question: What if the UK or France de-colonized Africa earlier?
(Like before WWII)
Probs both of them would have given up after the fall of France in 1940 and we'd all be speaking german.
Thibaud Duhamel Germany wouldn’t have conquered the world.
@The Nova renaissance yeah sure buddy, the UK with its massive natural ressources, amazing population and sheer stiff-upper-lip-ness would be capable of standing alone.
Why? The colonies made them money and everyone who supposed this idea would be mad
Susan Wallace the colonies in the late 19th and early 20th century lost the empire billions, Africa was about dick measuring not economics.
Suggestions:
What if the Vikings traveled to West Africa?
What if West Africa Industrialized on it's own?
What if India converted to Nestorian Christianity?
What if DC and 5 US territories were states?
What if Carthage moved to West Africa during the Punic Wars?
What if the Ottomans colonized the Americas?
What if the Mali colonized the Americas?
What if the Ottoman colonized Australia?
What if the Hashamites were given Arabia?
What if the US had Prussian Monarchy?
What if the Moorish kingdoms united?What if the Mali had a big Jewish Population?
What if Operation Anvil happened?
What it Operation Anvil and Overlord happened at the same time?
What if France and Austria United?
What if China colonized Kenya?
What if the Crusaders reached East Africa to kick out the Muslims?
What if the Ottomans conquered Iran?
What if the Russian took control of Istanbul?
What if the Ottomans conquered Morocco?
What if the Normans conquered Egypt?
What if Japan and Ethiopia made an alliance before WW2?
@Seth Foreman What if the Normans conquered Egypt?
Now that would be interesting to consider and the Normans were prolific at holding what they conquered.
always interesting to listen and learn from the actual historical events, followed by the most iconic question: "But what if that changed?". i am sold
What if the Dutch colonized Australia
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Jack Shakey wow
Nathan Taffijn That’s actually a derogatory term, it’s best to refer to Aboriginals and Torres Strait Islanders by the full name
@@notayoutuber3518 who cares
The british wouldve took it from them like they did to multiple african colonies
How about what if the Romans conquered ALL of The British Isles (England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales) I know they were not called that then.
Yes please do this Mr z
I don't think that would have made any difference to Rome, they would still have left when they did,as they didn't pull out because they couldn't defend against the unconquered part of the British Isles. It would have made very little difference to England and Wales, except no Hadrians Wall. But presumably the Romanised Scots, who lived in Ireland would not have invaded Scotland, so no Gaelic element there.
The Picts vanished in our world between the Scots and the Angles who invaded South Eastern Scotland, lowland Scots are genetically closer to northern English people than they are to the highland Scots. In this alternative world, I suspect the Angles would have advanced further, and we would find a small Pictish nation, or group of nations holding the north and west, rather as the Cornish and Welsh hung on. Like Wales and Cornwall it's likely it would be Conquored by England in the middle ages.
It's very hard to be sure what would have happened to a Romanised Ireland, perhaps it might have tempted Germanic raiders, or it might have continued as a united post Roman cultural outpost, at least until the Vikings appeared on the scene.
@@leehallam9365 As a lowland scot you're wrong. we are closer related to irish people than english.
Alt History Idea:
What If The United Stated Took Place In The Scramble For Africa?
Or
What If Ming China Colonized Siberia?
Technically the first one happened
Libera was a US colony at one point dedicated to send newly freed slaves back to Africa but that failed because well what's there to go back too when it was you ancestors who were taken there. That's why it failed
@@kingced741 Yes, I'm Aware Of Liberia, But it wasn't part of the scramble for Africa, it was actually founded in 1822, whilst the scramble for Africa didn't take place until around the early to mid-1880s, what I'm trying to get at is not what if the U.S. had colonies in Africa at one point, but if a major colonial effort was put in to place by the U.S. for Africa. (This isn't too farfetched either, the U.S. was still going through it's expansionist "Manifest Destiny" phase at this point)
That Is The Theory I'm Trying To Get At.
@@largeegg8539 yeah that would be interesting instead of just the Pacific and the Caribbean why not dominate the Atlantic ocean too
Great ideas I would love to see them in a video
I did see a timeline in which the US jumped on Portugal instead of Spain, gaining places like Angola. That'd require Spain to retain greater power (no Peninsular Campaign maybe?), since Cuba was of course what the US really wanted.
Whatifaltist is screaming
"Screams in low quality mic"
RIP Londinium, very sad
Can you do a "What if the Indus Valley civilization never collapsed" or more specifically "What if the Sarawasti river never dried up (Collapsing the Indus Valley civilization)?" scenario? They're my favorite ancient civilization with seemingly secular, egalitarian values so different than their contemporaries, and I'd love to see how their continued existence would have influenced the world.
Well then north India would be speaking Dravidian languages.
What if Irene of the Byzantine Empire had married Charlemagne of the Frankish Empire/Holy Roman Empire?
Roman Empire 2: Electric Boogaloo
What if Davy Crockett became Governor of Texas
What if Boudicca's rebellion succeeded.
What if Japan never invaded Korea
Do u hate the Japanese Mr kim?
The Japanese had to get resources for their growing industry, it was practically inevitable.
They might have beaten China.
What if aliens made contact with earth? It’s not alternate history but it would be fun.
Mankind receiving a reply to the Arecibo Message would be insane enough.
Mr. Z got that Fire( of Learning)!
I think “What If The Iron Curtain Never Fell” would be interesting .
How about a "what if Russia won the Crimean war?" Or "what if Austria aided the Russians in the Crimean war?" That would have effected European politics greatly.
One of the best videos you've done so far 👌
Perfectly Balanced as all things should be.
Greetings from germania
I’ve been thinking a lot about Doggerland, the land mass that connected England with mainland Europe, only to sink into the ocean and become what’s now the North Sea. Do you think if Doggerland was still there, the Roman conquest of England would be easier or harder for them?
I could see it both ways, in one sense a land invasion is a lot easier than a naval invasion as an enemy could just line up on the shore to contest the landing, see Caesars first invasion of Britannia, but in another sense the areas of doggerland would most likely be populated perhaps even heavily so and thus the romans would have yet more tribes to contend with
What If the Brazilian Empire never fell?
Love your videos keep the great work up!
In my humble opinion, there are three technologies that Rome easily could have invented that would drastically changed the course of human history. Those three are gunpowder, the heavy plow, and the printing press.
Gunpowder was invented in China on accident and completely changed the face of warfare.
The heavy plow was invented in the middle ages and completely changed the availability of food and what land was valuable for food production.
The printing press drastically changed the preservation and distribution of information.
Rome had all the necessary tools to invent all three of them but simply didn't. I've often thought about how the world would be radically different if Rome had invented one or more of them.
What if the Republic returned instead of Claudius becoming Emperor ???
There was a time when this was about to happen ,but a soldier in the faction that overthrew Calligula proclaimed Claudius to be Emperor, but at the time it was possible for a Republic return
Happy to see Fire of Learning on here! :D Great what if!
Can you do What if the Ottoman Empire honored their alliance with France and joined the Entente Powers in WW1
Then not many would remember Hadrian nowadays.
He was afraid of the Scots, though the English were not.
@ The English did not exist then so it's not surprising.
What if?: *Instead of pushing one last offensive in WW1, the Germans fell back to the eastern side of the Rhine after the fall of Russia?*
They still would've lost, it would only delay the inevitable. Germany by the time Russia fell was to exhausted to continue fighting for much longer and there's no way holding the Rhine would allow them to beat France, the Uk and the Usa. The simply lack the resources to continue the war
Great video guys. Not that anyones interested but here goes:
Im currently writing a book of a series of events quite similar to this video. However, myn is about how the Brittonic tribes find a common cause, and succeed where their cousins in Gaul failed. They manage to fight off the legions with overwhelming numbers, under a visionary leader who knew how to utilise the tribes strengths (favouring Gorilla warfare) who will eventually be annointed high king(Rix) of Britannia as a whole. So with britannia as a unified celtic kingdom, what impacts would that have on the rest of the world? First being that the countries we know today e.g. England, Wales and Scotland would never come into being. Thoughts?
What if the Britons conquered Rome? (Just so we’re clear, that was a joke).
Stay well out there everybody, and Jesus Christ be with you friends.😊
"In the former roman lands and provinces which became Spain Portugal France and Italy"
*Cries in Romanian*
Normie
I love it! >_
I started attempting to learn Anglish today, then this shows up in my recommended.
How about this...
What if Rome lasted till 1300 A.D.(Rome never collapsed)It'd be nice to know how they would've dealt with the Nordic invasion of britain....
@George Nathanael I meant the entire thing lol
What if America annexed the Philippines
What if Aurelian was never born and Rome broke apart in the crisis of the third century
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Can we get a sequel to what if the Byzantine empire never fell?
Epic!
How do you not have at least 100k subs yet?
Fascinating scenario, would be cool to have a Crusader Kings mod adapt it.
@RC15O5 YES this concept needs to be a thing
damn it all this makes me wanna go berserk in rome total war games. good channel, right here!
Suggestions for the Rome series: What if Rome discovered uranium, What if Nero was assassinated, what if Julius Caesar never came to power, what if Rome had a civil war
Alt History Idea:
What if clouds didn't exist.
It would have been incredibly interesting just to see what this culture was really all about. It has to have had much more to it than the Romans mentioned.
What if the Romano-British repelled the Saxons
Someone is a Clive Owen fan.
@@krashd I honestly never have heard of him
Could you please stop using a world map and instead focus on the areas that are relevant. The full zoomed out world map makes it really hard to see the places that you’re talking about.
Fascinating...
"There's a clearly strong developmental bedrock left over by the romans, which undoubtedly helped shape these regions into the nations they are today."
Yet the scars remain. ... Well, the healthy flesh, rather. Romans would be the scars in this analogy, but you get the point. :P
Gih ic' n'dvad go-indni'ir valch nae vren. Lov'othraen mei'iach. G'vdag-ooe. ;)
(Please excuse the somewhat messy phonetic writing. ... Then again, if you even recognise the fact that reads as written by a 4 year old, i shouldn't need to explain why it's a bit hard to write properly, on account of translating isn't really standardised, now do i? Cheers lads. G'valg roth.)
Your vedio are the best in the world.❤
What if the Mongol Empire conquered Japan?
You underestimate how developed we Celts were before the Romans invaded. The notion that we were barely at iron age levels of development is not true, we had mastered farming and arranged complex trade networks spanning the whole of Britain and even to the continent.
Heck even before our arrival some 2,000-1,500 years prior, the native Britons still had their own trade systems that were vast enough that even the native Scots were known to travel the Stonehenge in the South of England.
Rome brought metropolises to Britain and with them, coinage, coliseums, aqueducts, bathhouses. but nothing we couldn't have done without or have adopted from foreign nations. I often imagine a timeline where the Romans just left us alone.
What if Rome made Ireland a vassal state?
What if the United States was founded on the rejection of all things British following the war of Independence. Rejection of the English language, rejection of protestantism/christianity, rejection of British mercantilism, and had the Norse exploration/coloniztion of Greenland, Markland, Helluland, and Vinland as their foundational mythos.
I have a alternative history idea, what if boudica’s rebellion was successful.
What if the proposed union between the UK & France happened in the 1950s?
Well britain would have reverted to the use of French as the administrative language and the world would be speaking french. hon Hon HoN HON HON HONHONHONHONHON
Thibaud Duhamel no, at the time the british were MUCH more powerful and would dominate the union with the capital being london, the official langauge would be english, this is proven by the reason the french refused they saw it as either political domination by Britain or military domination from germany, they chose wrong.
@@sausagejockyGaming 70 years is not enough so France will speak french and UK english. As it's fifty fifity in terms of population, the union will have many difficulty to communicate and converge. Best option a belgian scenrio , where both countries have her gouvernement and some time managed to also have a federal one.
I am 100% sure nothing would happen
What if Britain and Roman Empire had adopted the cult of Makima, Revy, Cutie Honey, Marin Kitagawa, Trixie Tang, Judy Neutron, Marge Simpson, Wendy Corduroy, Lois Griffin, Sailor Moon and Maddie Fenton instead of Abrahamic shit?
Interesting
A unified Celtic Empire that included the modern countries of Great Britain, Ireland, France, Belgium, and Northern Spain would have been the dominant European power, due to trade they would have had all of Romes technology at least up to the level of the Frankish Empire. The Celts were sailors and explorers by nature as most Island people are. They almost certainly would have settled North America creating a Pan Atlantic Empire and eventually a trading Empire across the globe like Britain. Since the Celts are far more laid back and less naturally authoritarian than the German English the colonies would have never rebelled being more like Canada. You would have had the dominant power in Europe and later the whole world be the Celtic Empire for centuries from the fall of Rome until the Celtic colonies in the New World rose to power in the 20th century. It would be a far better world today.
Assuming this Celtic state never accepts christianity, what do you think would have happened to Native Americans? Would America still be colonised?
What if the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth wasnt annexed?
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I'm gonna keep asking this until I am noticed. What if the Spartacist Rebellion succeeded?
(It's a Communist revolt that happened 2 years after WW1 in Germany)
I need a part 2 on the American Rome colony .
I'm not sure, i understood your point about the gallic empire (maybe my too bad english is to blame) but i thought the name gallic was base on geographic point of view as emperors and instructed population see her as roman as the italic one.
When the Romans landed on the Isle of Wight off of the south coast of England they were defeated by the local tribe as the tribe held a certain key bridge on the island. Hundreds of years later whilst planning the defence of the UK from Nazi Germany, the govt decided that this bridge was still the only way to take the island so built pillboxes on the bridge
Neat
What if Napoleon never came to power. What if Russia never formed. What if the Holy Roman Empire never broke
Hearing "British tribes" is so strange
What if The English stayed allied with the Burgundians and won the 100 years war and took over France?
Almost happened 3 times, first angevin empire england owned more of france than france did, 100 years war couldve turned out very different if a few minor decision were different, the proposed anglo franc union in 1940’s
This is a random what if, but... What If Bending Was Real? Like from Avatar the Last Airbender?
This is the basis of the anime Code Geass.
Very related: What if Boudicca had succeeded?
I get the idea that Rome would've sent another army to reconquer Britain. Imagine the Jewish Revolts playing out in Britain.
Bruh, you forgot one of the most important guy at the 3rd century, Aurelian. Which destroyed both gaellic and palmyrene empire also repelling many germanic invasion, stabilizing the empire. Since most of the legion were campaigning at the east, the gaellic empire would still collapse and not creating some domino effect.
Also can you do what if Gallipoli was successful
This should be made into a ck2/ck3 mod
What if the Fontana Dam was never constructed, and how that would've affected the Manhatten Project.
About 3 mins in and you can't tell your Brythonic and Pict from your Gael. Way to go
What if Bulgaria won the Second Balkan War or What if the Ottomans won the first Balkan War?
I always find it funny how they say the Romans didn't know Britain existed yet you can see Dover from France , infact you can see alot of Britain from France. Also for the record Ive NEVER heard of this Belgai invasion ?
Seth Foreman
The people who say that are probably the same people who think that every language descends from Latin.
can you do a "what if George of Poděbrady
formed his european union"
that would be an epic dab on dem Turks
What if North America was connected to Asia?
Have a good day
What if Paraguay won the Paraguayan war?
I don't really think Britain would become this big not even in a lucky scenario
@Seth Foreman ya, they could become big with colonial territory but European territory its very unlikely and even if they got most of France and then not conquering Scotland and Ireland is unlikely as well as they come from a militaristic society as he described
What if Julius Caesar survived the assassination?
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What if Doggerland
never sank
Paradise