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I will say… I agree with both sides, effective scoring Is effective scoring, regardless of how you do It, or how versatile you are. However, a more versatile scoring skillset, allows for a higher ceiling for the teams overall offense, obviously making It less predictable. Its kinda hard to gauge sometimes, I’m sure there are advanced analytics for It. But even If Kd, & Giannis scored the same amount of points, on same efficiency, Its obvious who’s scoring Is helping their team more, for example, Giannis Isn’t half the off ball scorer KD Is. KD’s scoring scales the same, regardless of an opposing teams defense, Giannis you clearly see a regression In that aspect (talking strictly scoring, I know his defense & playmaking are amazing) Its kinda Ironic to say right after the series KD had against the Celtics, but for one, KD’s not at his peak, his ability to attack the rim has clearly regressed, making him more reliant on jumpers than ever, & two, he didn’t have a coach that ran any useful plays for him, It seemed, nor did he have a primary playmaker/facilitator on his team that could get him the ball, forcing him to create his own shot, nearly every time he touched the ball, while doing that, facing double, & even triple teams.
canw e have a who is better devin booker or donovan mitchel ?
" Greatest team of all time "....oh yeah, you're young😏
Short answer: Steph
Long answer : Wardell Stephen Curry
Well said, and all these KD fans are wondering why the warriors won when those who know what most significantly contribute to winning are not surprised at all.
😂 perfect answer
KD is better than Wardell in every single way besides 3 point shooting
Not to mention Draymond literally they weren’t beating lebron and the cabs without calling kd
Meaning he had no faith in Wardell after he made them choke a 3-1 lead💀💀
@@leultrainstinct406 KD is a better ball handler?
@@truthnotfeelings point guard and 7 footer and u asking that? Curry better dribbling but not that much.
Kerr said something about Curry being comparable to Tim Duncan in terms of being the rock of their franchises, and in that sense Steph is probably the most ideal franchise player in modern basketball. Not just a generational talent himself, but sets and instills winning culture in everyone on the team.
Fax and when did he mention this ? U know what year was it
@Raytheslay ok too far
@Raytheslay woah woah woah woah woah let’s not get insane
Very apt comparison from Kerr. Curry gets compared to alot of players when you try to make a top 10 list but I think his direct comparisons when talking legacy are Tim and Kobe. All 3 players generally vying for the same 3 spots on a list with varying results.
@@kamm8398 no shit
It is Steph and I've thought that for years, long before it became the popular opinion this year. Durant has very little leadership ability which is a signficant reason why his teams outside of Golden State have always underachieved. Meanwhile, Steph is arguably the best leader in the NBA. I think simply as an individual talent Durant is better (not by a wide margin but still better) but Steph runs laps around him as a leader and a team player which makes the difference for me.
"Meanwhile, Steph is arguably the best leader in the NBA."
Did Lebron die?
@@jonathansykes4986 arguably that means there can be better leader but for him it’s Steph
@@jonathansykes4986 Keyword "arguably"
@@jonathansykes4986 Bron is a terrible leader. His passive aggressive nature, and seemingly always finding a way to have his teammates/coaches thrown under the bus is glaring.
@@remnant8898 “ Lebron is a terrible leader” get off your knees clown
KD may be the better all around player when healthy, but Steph will have a bigger and better legacy and in the end Steph will finish with a better career.
Steph already has the better career, stayed with the team that drafted him, twice as many rings and 1st(and currently only) unanimous mvp(2 total). Let alone broke the bulls regular season record
Idk if he’s even the better all around player. Sure he’s better at defense cause he is taller and have a way longer wingspan, but his playmaking is significantly worse and his gravity is also not nearly as much as Curry’s. We saw in the Boston series how the Celtics trapped KD and shut him down. Steph gets doubled teamed exponentially more than KD and makes better passes to open his teammates up.
All around doesnt mean anything its just a way to discredit steph
He's not even better all around and it's not close LMAO, besides scoring he doesnt excel in any other compartment of the game
@@You-Laugh_You-Subscribe the first 3 games the Celitcs weren't trapping or double teaming Steph. tho. They ran drop coverage for a lot of that series.
Nobody's mentioned it but Steph is also much less of a drama queen than KD, that guy is just simply unstable, while Curry is practically the epitome of reliability.
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KD more often acts like a kid who would take away his ball when he loosing.
@Raytheslay In terms of shooting, probably.
How does that relate to pure basketball?
@@dansheshe8039 because you don't play by yourself
If I want to win regular season games, I’m choosing Steph
If I want to win playoff games, I’m still choosing Steph
Don’t care who is more skilled, who’s gonna win me games?
Easy for curry to win playoffs when he is on a superteam and can afford bad games
@@sac1211 that argument doesn’t work anymore lmaooo
terrible take.
@@sac1211 you talking about that time KD joined the warriors to make the biggest super team of all time cuz he couldn’t win shit before or after joining the warriors?
@@undertakerblaise256 1 finals doesn't take away the argument and the fact that he had the luckiest situations in 2015 2017 2018 and 2 of those years he was on the greatest superteam ever and wasn't the best player hell even in 2015 lebron outplayed him in the finals so yes the argument does work still.
Curry is debatably the best offensive player ever. I'm talking about more than scoring. Not only is he a good playmaker but his gravity is unlike anyone else in the history of the league and him simply being on the floor makes everyone else on his team miles better on that side of the ball because the defense usually has 2 guys focusing almost entirely on him. Not to mention most schemes against him result in wide open looks for his teammates constantly. Shaq is really the only guy I could realistically see having a similar gravity but he was nowhere near the playmaker Curry is.
Jordan won 10!!!! Scoring titles and only had 1 fewer APG than Curry.
You could argue Dirk, Harden, LeBron, Giannis & Hakeem have stronger gravity, there's more to it than off ball spacing. Some of those guys put pressure on the defense with rolls to basket, the threat of their drives, their post games, and their gravity typically pulls bigger, more valuable defenders away. I don't see how Curry has an argument over Jokić or LeBron on offense.
Lebron exists, lebron a better scorer all time, slight better/equall to curry in playmaking all time, and he has more longevity
@@benjaminan1183 Giannis and Hakeem (and LeBron because he's not the greatest shooter) don't have the shot to stretch the floor like Curry. If there's anything to learn from this modern age of basketball it's the value of spacing and there is no better floor spacer than Stephen Curry. Jokic is great but most people would still take Curry's gravity over Jokic's passing because Steph has literally won 4 championships with a system based on his gravity while Jokic hasn't. Same with Harden, he hasn't won with his style of play. None of these guys are great off ball players so they need the ball to dominate the game, while Curry dominates with or without the ball. Curry dominates the game 24/7 while being unpredictable because of his versatility, which is something none of these players can say. Also Curry is the most efficient scorer out of these guys (in terms of true shooting percentage and effective field goal percentage) while scoring similar if not better averages than all of these players. Not to mention that Curry is also an insanely underrated finisher at the rim, and consistently ranks in the upper tier of finishing efficiency.
@@masonvalentine9739 Yeah, people are mixing being a scorer with being an offensive player.
Westbrook was a terrific scorer, on a class of his own, yet he is at best, a good if not mediocre, offensive player even on his prime. He was able to score out of the hole sometimes.
Jokic is a whole another beast from most players in a similar fashion to Stephen Curry, as in a weird archetype we're just adjusting to.
I will say this, this postseason damn sure didn’t help KD’s case in this VS because while he struggled vs Boston, Steph thrived. That alone isn’t proof that Steph is better but it’s a little evidence but then again last year KD was phenomenal vs the Bucks. Trying to be totally fair here (and I’m a warriors fan) if you tell me we keep the same supporting cast and I can only have 1 superstar between KD and Steph I take Steph 10 times out of 10. Steph has proven that he can lead a team to success (title) , KD hasn’t. Steph is the better shooter although KD is great too. Steph’s movement without the ball is second to none, KD has the height advantage and can rise above anyone. KD is a lethal weapon but Steph to me is the better player. Basketball is a 5 on 5 game so you can’t compared 1 on 1, you have to put a scenario with them surrounded with teammates and believe which one will be more successful and all these years it’s always been Steph curry so yeah him loll
The stat that was very telling. Was Stephen curry was double team 20 times more than Kevin Durant in the nba finals together. Some of that would be warriors setting up plays to get Kevin Durant iso. But you don’t double a player times 20 times the amount unless you are clearly more worried about that player.
Don’t get me wrong, I would also take Steph, but the Steph vs Boston and KD vs Boston isn’t a very fair comparison. Boston’s plan against KD was to stop him at all cost. They made offense a living hell for KD. However, against Steph they gave him drop coverage. Clearly the game plan against Steph was to force him to beat them while they slow down the rest of the Warriors.
If both were to have the same team, it would have to be at the basic level. At the basic level, the Warriors are worse if Curry doesn't have a passer to get him those off ball looks. That Warriors system is why Dteph thrives. KD can only thrive in that same system if Steph is in it (remember 2019 when Curry went down and KD was left with the team?).
So, depending on the type of team, one could be better than the other.
Yes lets compare a point guard to a power forward and act like the schemes that were ran against them were exactly the same
@@dansheshe8039 marcus smart was the dpoy. They told kd "make the read" and he couldnt
This is clearly Steph Curry. I could go on a whole tangent about how curry is more impactful because both analytics and the eye test back this up or how he’s an all time level scorer and playmaker while Durant only a scorer but the evidence was literally shown to us these past playoffs. Both of these players going against the best defense in the league, and one torched them while the other showed his glaring weaknesses.
This is a bit unfair. This year was thé first time that KD really struggled in the playoffs. Moreover, the situation with the Nets was just terrible. I also think Steph is better, but KD struggling for a few games this year is not a good argument.
@@thomaslequesne5475 I’m not using this sample size as the sole reason why curry is better lol I’m saying it’s what they represent. If u watched the games u would see clear differences. The Celtics were so afraid of Currys playmaking that they let the goat shooter shoot open threes in drop coverage. KD was miserable playmaking wise against the Celtics because he was so desperate to find his own shot. His playmaking threat isn’t nearly good enough to beat good defenses. That’s the difference that separates them. And no this isn’t Durants only bad season in the playoffs I think people forget that prior to golden state KD was a heavy playoff stopper
Impactful? Lol hes had superteams for all his rings
@@shayanislam3973 your original comment used this year as the only example, which is why I answered by saying that I agreed with your conclusions but found the argument lacking.
@@sac1211 is this a joke or something? This past postseason his second best player was Andrew Wiggins who was one of the worst all stars in recent history. He played great but Currys supporting cast notably in the finals wasn’t quite there and that was obvious. 2015 curry was the sole consistent offensive player on their championship run. This has to be a joke
Mfs gotta realize “skill” isn’t just how good you are 1 on 1
At this point it's Steph and I don't even really think it's all that close...well, I mean it's close but Steph IS the entire system that has produced 4 rings. He's the head of the snake, even when KD was in GS he was never that imo.
Curry had KD for 2 of those rings.
@@jonathansykes4986 well yeah... and proved he didn't need kd for the other 2...
@@chrisrivas723 .. so the other 2, the first one he had the best team and played versus injured teams in each round, and this year he played quite easily, the easiest path to the finals and the finals against a rookie team (no one on that team had made the finals) who had played 2 series to game 7 before the finals.
Currys rings are soft as charmin.
But, those 2 years KD was with golden state he was the best player on that team..
KD was the whole snake 🐍
Steph. He knows how to play in a system and does more on offense
Anyone can be good in the warriors superteam system lol thats why he failed in 2021 when he was by himself
He is the system without curry there’s no warriors
27/7/4 vs 24/4/6
defense means nothing today?
@@sac1211 don’t even try that argument he didn’t have klay and the young ones weren’t developed yet troll clown
Leadership cannot be calculated in stats and analytics. The ability to keep the team and chemistry together is so crucial.
I think that Curry is better. The two of them are close in defense and scoring, but Steph is miles ahead in playmaking and as a leader.
Kd and curry close on defense? Kd is miles ahead of steph. That being said curry is a better playmaker and scorer bc of his shooting, his ability to make everyone else’s job easier, thus leading his teammates to easier buckets. Curry’s gravity is the reason he is better than kd but kd is better overall but curry is a better player. I hope I made sense lol
@@Quentinthemudkip KD isn't that much better than Steph on defense, especially now. Steph had always been targetted by opposite teams while constantly moving on offense which made him look worse than he actually was. Look at him now, he's good on-ball and great at team defense.
Steph forgets how to shoot in the NBA Finals!
In 33 NBA Finals games Steph has shot over 50% from the field only 4 times. He has only 1 game shooting over 60%.
In 55 NBA Finals games KD has shot over 50% from the field 23 times. He has 8 games shooting over 60%.
@@sac1211 Lol
@@sac1211 lmao field goal % fan vs true shooting % enjoyer
It’s funny because eye test alone I think most people would say KD but with everything else it’s obviously Steph
I would argue Steph is better eye test alone
Depends where your eyes are looking. Not everyones eye test is the same
@@jakasmalakas I think eye test is just who you think is better regardless of stats. So like Chris Paul being better than Devin booker even though DB would have more points
I’d argue Steph is still better eye test wise, both are phenomenal and entertaining players to watch but there’s something so exciting about the way Steph plays, it’s why so many little kids today try and play like him.
@@precious6727 yeah tbf it is subjective. I’m someone who with the rise of 3’s I’ve become a real sucker for someone hitting contested mid rangers. Like I just feel KDs the most effortless scorer in the league
Only reason why this is even a conversation is because KD is "7 feet tall with handles of a guard" lol
Kd is a super since the draft. How long it took you to watch curry? Since 2014?
You could do a Russ vs. Dame who’s better. I think their beef adds a more intriguing angle to it and who actually got the better of the other
This is an interesting one.
I mean, if we’re saying right now it’s pretty clearly dame. And if you go all time I think it’s somewhat clearly Russ.
Gonna go with Russ.
I’m sorry but Dame has been better than Russ for like the past 4 seasons and very clearly better since 2019. If you wanna argue overall, can’t disregard Russ since he’s been a top player for so many years. But peak Dame > peak Russ.
I second this idea sound fun
KD is better as an individual player but I don't think that's worth much. Steph is a more fully realized championship winning engine for a team.
KD has height on Curry, and that's it. Curry is a much better player.
I am really glad this series is coming back in a new way. Love the content Rusty
Steph. Enough said, roll credits
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Steph hands down its not even an argument
currys better but not hands down relax
@@Uptzay man u heard what I said hands down
Put ur ass down too. Google them. Kd's superstar since the draft! Curry took 4years to average 22points lmao.
U never watch nba from 2008 to 2014 i bet cause ur not enough that time. All curry fans is from 00's era. 90% kids.
@@karaazoom6481 kd got clamped and swept by the same team curry cooked curry>kd
Steph, this shouldn’t even be a debate anymore.
Of course you're a Atlanta falcons fan
@@bonystickmanking1250 okay? Lol
@@Atlantafan21 it's close and should always be a debate until they both retire. They are two of the top 3 best in this generation. But I expect nothing less of a stupid comment coming from an Atlanta fan
@@bonystickmanking1250 it’ll only be a debate when or IF KD actually does something without Curry. You’re so offended for no reason lmao.
@@Atlantafan21 KD has done a lot with curry. There is a reason why he has more accolades besides rings and MVPs. You should know this if you've been watching basketball for more than 5 years
This is a great video rusty! Thank you
The only reason some people think KD is better is because he's a 7footer, KD doesnt have Curry leadership, he can't be the only main superstar on a championship team, he doesn't have steph's playmaking, ball handling...
Damn I’m 7foot I’m better than kd 💯
@@MagicMan69171 ?
sorry a sf prefers to play off ball.
Y'all don't realize that KD is a unicorn. A guy that tall should not be able to shoot that well, to move that well and to have handles that great. Kd's a more rare player to find than Curry u just don't know basketball.
@@blablablabla2572 LMAO there's no other player like Curry in the history of basketball, find me a 6'3 superstar with his offball skills with his ball handling, shooting, playmaking, leadership that can lead his team to a title. There's a lot of Curry lookalike just like theres a lot of KD's lookalike but none of them actually play like steph if you watch the games. pulling up from 30 doesnt make you steph. And KD as great as he's he cant be the focus point of a championship team because he lacks of playmaking and leadership skills which are keys to win a chip nowadays
I 100 percent agree with your take on stagnating the offense with iso ball, that factors into passing IQ just as much as making decisive reads.
This is unrelated to the video's topic on comparing their offensive games/skillsets, but I saw this one take by a host on a Fox show (I can't remember the show's name) and it truly was a great take IMO, probably the greatest take I've seen regarding comparing these 2 specific players.
Curry has made everyone around him REALLY GOOD, with him being the main reason so. Because of Curry, Klay, Draymond and Iguodala are going to become hall-of-famers and be known as great players. Wiggins' career is rising again.
Durant has made not elevated anyone's career because of him. Kyrie already had a ring before his Nets tenure. GSW has won without him. Westbrook and Harden have won MVPs without him.
emmanuel acho had that take so credit where credit is due. but yeah that’s a great take. same goes for guys like lebron, magic, and to a lesser extent even guys like steve nash
hey bro i haven’t checked on this channel in awhile oreyyy much not since the playoffs but way you seem way in ur element now man. not trying ti say u were bad before at all just like u seem so comfortable articulating ur opinions now it’s dope to see
I think height or lack of height should weigh more when comparing players...its typically harder to score being smaller and thats never talked about when comparing guards to forwards and bigs
I think it’s not talked about because once you reach that level of being an incredible scorer, being shorter doesn’t matter cause teams gotta defend you the same way they got to defend the other taller scorers.
@@Yvp13 Well being a near 7'0 scorer getting double teamed and being a 6'2 scorer being double-teamed is two completely different things. I know it's controversial, but if KD didn't have his height, he wouldn't be anywhere as successful. I love Steph as a player because despite being among the shortest in the league he brought himself into the top 10 of all time through sheer force of will and hardwork.
@@starmorpheus you cant use hypothetical when comparing players use the facts u right that curry better but u cant just say without Kd height he wouldn't be as successful
@@dansheshe8039 I know, hence why I prefaced what I said by stating it was controversial. It wouldn't be fair to use that against KD for his career, but when comparing him to Steph? It's worth a little consideration
Why you guys act like height, size, wingspan, hands size or athleticism aren’t a talent ? It’s a talent to be 7ft and able to shoot and handle the ball like a 6ft guy, being tall is a talent just like being an elite shooter, you are born with it, Lebron is the most talented player ever mostly because of his size and athleticism, same for MJ, Shaq or Giannis. MJ had a 46 inches vertical and some of the biggest hands ever, bigger than some 7footer’s hands, Shaq was 300-350pounds with a 32 inches vertical, the biggest hands ever and he was still very agile and Giannis is the fastest, most explosive and agile 7footer ever, he also has great handles for his size.
So i will never understand people like you who says things like yeah but he is better because he is taller, stronger or faster, like this isn’t a talent lol, if we watch NBA it’s too see people like that, not ordinary people, so guys like Lebron, Shaq, MJ, Giannis or Zion are no different than guys like Curry, Dame, Kyrie, Klay or Trae Young, they just have a different talent.
you made the right choice in saying steph is the better player
however it still grinds my gears to hear when people say hes a better scorer... for the reasons you gave
1) scoring in a bunch of different ways doesnt make you automatically a better scorer if the other player has the same production on same efficency
2) their scoring production is super close for their peaks and curry is more efficient...
3) the thing you didnt mention is that curry also has a deep bag as a scorer and to me even deeper than kevin's.....
currys arsenal:
obviously 3 pointers in every fashion (corner 3s, deep threes, catch and shoot, dribble pull up, step back etc)
but he also has a good midrange game and can finish with either hand around the rim even better than kevin i might add
the only thing that kevin can do that steph cannot is dunk which he doesnt even do that often.....
and given KDs advantages of his height and wingspan to shoot over anyone and "get a bucket whenever he wants" the numbers still support that curry is a better scorer.....
Yup. Which makes it seem more and more this entire argument is made up. Steph’s waaay better. His impact is better. His on ball scoring is better. And one thing most don’t know is that his release is 10 feet faster than the average nba player.
The majority of those shots coming around screens Steph gets in the Boston series KD doesn’t even get off. 1) Cuz his dribble is super overrated
2) His release too slow.
What’s 6’2 plus 10 feet btw? Taller than 7 feet ain’t it?
KD has always been a better scorer than Steph stop the nonsense
@@thej1615 now you just being delusional
@@bonystickmanking1250 Ok.
Who scores the most points per minute?
Who just wrecked the best defense in a decade with almost 1/2 of his shots being 3 point attempts, the same defense someone else had hella problems scoring against and hella problems winning 1 game against?
Being the victim of Nike marketing happens to the best of us, but like it or not, stephbetter. Literally not one thing KD is better at that contributes to winning.
Now Nike talking points that say things like “scorer.” Wtf is a scorer? They weren’t even using that terminology 10 years ago. And u believe that the greatest shooter isn’t the greatest scorer? Maybe they started saying scorer so Nike could tell u something so absurd as anyone is a better player than that Underarmour kid who has won more championships in a decade than anyone since Jordan.
But feel free to keep thinking KD is better at anything, and being confused about why the inferior Steph just keeps winning 🏆
@@thej1615 2 finals MVP over ur curry 1.. 4 scoring titles than ur curry 2.. 10 all Nba team than ur curry 8. And he got the 2 finals mvp when their together to show is the alpha on that team
Best peak season
Curry 2015-16. (MVP season)
31.5 PER 66.9% TS 13.8 OWS, 4.1 DWS. 17.9 WS. 0.318 WS/48 10.3 OBPM 1.6 DBPM. 11.9 BPM. 9.5 VORP
Durant 2013-14. (MVP Season)
29.8 PER 63.5% TS 14.8 OWS, 4.4 DWS, 19.2 WS, 0.295 WS/48 8.8 OBPM, 1.4 DBPM, 10.2 BPM. 9.6 VORP.
Per is a bad stat to use
@@tj5180 why?
The most insane thing is this. Steph had a 67% true shooting while making 400 threes when no other human had ever made 300. And he did this while shooting 50-40-90. The NBA has had players shoot 67% true shooting. And have had players since make 300+ threes. But Steph is the only one to ever do both.
I’m a HUGE Steph fan, Not even gonna lie, as far as how well you played on your own as a player and what you did by yourself, Steph’s 2020-21 season was better
@@thefrankster875 No. Just stats alone prove that. Not even mention team record as well. Curry's VORP was not even half of what it was in 2015-2016. His 3pt% was the worst of his career this season (38%) whereas in 2015-16, it was the highest of his career (45.4%).
On every Metric, Curry in 2015-2016 was twice as good as he was this season.
As a warriors fan I’m totally biased, but I think you pretty much nailed it. I especially liked what you said about how to look at this question in general. Who am I more confident in building a championship team with?
Curry is a better player, better prime, and better legacy. Now, and all time. No contest.
Steph without question. KD might be more talented but Steph is so much better at amplifying his teammates as well. That matters a lot in a team sport.
This is silly though. Steph is wayyyyyyy more talented. KD has height on him, and that's it.
When is the dehumanization of athletes deepdive gonna come out? Waiting on this for months, really excited to hear your point on this topic
Tbf to KD, I would not say that he's been surrounded by dysfunction "his entire career". His stint in OKC was not really dysfunctional, there was just a lot things holding them back from winning in hindsight (Russ, Scott Brooks/Billy Donovan, spacing).
Their offense was pretty dysfunctional. And a lot of people blamed Scott brooks for that at the time but KD has since said he doesn't like playing with ball movement and prefers just being able to iso all the time, so maybe that's the offense KD wanted the Thunder to run for him.
They prob couldve won they got gs 3-1 down it was just a choke
Kd’s one on one Iso mentality is what costed him in OKC!! My turn your turn will never win a championship!! He tried to pollute the Warriors with that bull shit! Crying about iso touches and styles of play when he was the one begging (yep I said it!) secretly that whole season to come here and play our style of basketball! If he would’ve accepted the Super Harrison Barnes /2-way Wiggins role , 73-9 would’ve been In Jeopardy but his ego would never allow that and the team was never as great as it could’ve been if he had!! Sure they still won because the talent was just too great but the forced ISO coddling made it harder and more boring In Terms of style of play than it had to be which is why I never wanted him on the team I grew up rooting for In The first place.!!
It Robbed us of seeing Chef Curry being the magical player we all know I’m to be!! David West tried to tell us in 2017 after the championship about the drama being stirred up in the locker room!
@@harrygarris6921 When did he say he liked to play iso?
You’re using Lakers Westbrook to retroactively say that Russ is bad. He’s been a positive player on every team besides the Lakers, he even became noticeably better once he fit into the clippers system more even if there were like 5 games of growing pains to start. OKC Westbrook was a force and often outperformed Durant in games where he was doing poorly. OKC had great defense and rebounding around that duo as well, won’t disagree on Billy Donovan
Durant is a better ISO scorer and scorer in general. Curry scores in a different way, but his offensive style also has the advantage of making his team better. Not even including his better passing.
If I can have a prime year Steph I'll take it over what I have seen from Durant to start a team around.
Without watching the video beforehand: Durant has a more well rounded game that would fit INCREDIBLY well in every era. He has more offensive tools because of his height (and he is just an offensive monster), and has better defense for the same reason. However, he is often an isolation scorer and doesn't move much off ball. The things Steph is good at (3 point shooting, ball handling, finishing at the rim, off ball movement), he is EXTREMELY good at. Revolutionarily good at. This means that when he has a team built around his strengths, he is a top 5 player all time. The reason I can't put him higher than 10th all time, so far, is solely because his game is not well rounded and he is not great on defense, in a vacuum. He is a decent defender for a point guard, and has underrated strength (he worked on lower body strength a lot to fix his ankle problems, and now uses hip strength to power most of his movements, like Walter Payton in football). However, you can only be so good at basketball in general as a 6' 2" guy. He is by far the shortest player in the top 11 all time.
If I were to draft, I'd still probably take Durant over Curry bc he is so damn versatile and well rounded (and he is much easier to build around), but if I were to construct an all time team, Curry would be my point guard over Magic (we need to stretch the floor), and Durant would not make the starting five over Bird nor Lebron. Additionally, I think Steph was more valuable to the Warriors' success than Durant was for the reasons I mentioned. Durant was able to be the best player, stats wise, BECAUSE Curry was such an offensive threat. Teams were more scared of Curry going off than Durant, so he took most of the defensive attention. He was an Andrew Bogut injury and Draymond Green suspension away from going 73-9 AND winning a ring in the same season, meaning he was the clear leader, and first unanimous MVP, of the team with the most sucess in a single season.
It ultimately comes down to: would you rather have a player with 85s-100s on offense, and 75s-90s on defense, or a guy with 60s-70s on defense, but 85s-125s on offense?
Edit: sorry, i was editing my post and youtube lost some of the updates. I edited it like 4 times but for some reason it reverted to my original post. If there are grammar errors or incomplete sentences, that is why.
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So wait, you don't think Steph can fit in any era??
@@soleil3gs he would certainly be great in any era, but not as effective as Durant would be in any era. Obviously, before the advent of the 3 point line, his biggest strength would be neutralized. Also, current defensive rules allow him more free range on offense. The game is more fluid now and benefits shooters and agile guards. Big men and post game dominated many previous eras.
Curry. True cornerstone of one of the most successful dynasties ever (8 years, 6 finals, 4 rings). His gravity is such that he leaves a bunch of wide open shots for his teammates (even average 3pt shooter will shoot over 40% from the 3pt line, and the lane will be wide open a lot of times if the perimeter is well covered). KD is all about isolation, (would be the beast in 2000s era) but if you close him down, like Celtics did proving it's possible, his team will very probably lose. KD is elite scorer, probably better than Curry, but basketball is team sport. Give me the best shooter ever before one of the deadliest scorers ever (probably top 5 ever, along with MJ, Kobe and a few others, you name them).
I liked this video. You did a good job of balancing your cynical, dry sense of humor while keeping it light, honest to yourself, and very informative.
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steph could easily go high usage every szn and average his 32ppg on the greatest efficiency ever and be considered the best player in the world but will that translate to winning cause if he does that it will ice out his teammates
Steph was always better I was never on the KD was the best on the warriors or team (this sickening me because I hate both players)
Great deep dive.
Since he brought up Paul George can we all just agree how underrated he is? He never gets mentioned in with the all time greats but if you look at his numbers he has played better than some of the top ten players in the league.
KD is just taller lol. Thats the only argument anyone has ever had for him over steph which doesnt come down to actual skill
Steph had a franchise built around him, speaks for itself
I mean so did KD 💀
@@jeremybennett985 a couple times, too
How do u knock a players value base on a good Organization, Steph Curry‘s championships are homegrown .
@@quo5048 homegrown because curry took a contract that vastly underpaid his future performance.
@@jonathansykes4986 cus he was injury prone at the time
Do more of these debates
The truth is if it was a 1v1 competition, KD is the guy you would want, if it was 5v5 then Steph is the guy you would want on the floor. What I trying to say is Steph is a better teammate for a NBA team however KD is better individual if that makes sense
Wait durant's legacy is saved? Cause I've never seen him as the main guy win before. Okc lost and dipped. Golden state curry deferred and still played as well as he did. Nets lost and he's trying to dip again. Quite the legacy
All it took was Jayson Tatum and a double team to shut KD down .
That's all I have to say .
KD can be more well rounded. But in the nba, excelling at one thing is a thousand times more valuable than being okay at everything. KD’s a 3 level scorer, but lacks the ability to lead, defend/ rebound as consistently as other guys his size, and bro flat out can’t put his squad over hump when his team isn’t the one that’s favored. That’s it. The sooner than we accept that that’s who Kevin Durant is, the sooner we can start taking less of a “hate” stance about his career
Rusty what’s your film channel again I forgot it?
Steph Curry is a bus driver
Kevin Durant is a bus rider 🤷🏾♂️
don't means shit casual
The bus rider took the 2 finals mvp ur driver shouldve get if he really is one. Iggy carried him on his first title too
@@karaazoom6481 carried him is false af he averaged 10 more points and more assists then iggy u clearly dont know what ur talking about when it comes to basketball. kd hasnt lead a team to shit without steph, curry hand gifted those final mvps to kd with all the defensive attention he vacuums
I always hate how people use a "system" to criticize a good or great player. Yeah Steve Kerr put in the Konami code to unlock super Steph, which not only had him go from a good player to an all time great. But it wasn't like Steph was a scrub under Mark Jackson, he just couldn't reach his full potential in his old pg on ball pass first system. And you absolutely have to talk about that guy's gravity at every turn. It is insane. And when you take Draymond and Klay away you get 2021 Steph who drops 32 pts/game while being triple teamed every time he crosses half court. I also think it is funny how they criticize Steph for his system but People will actually credit LeBron for the same thing, surround him with good shooters and let him work, and it opens up his best attributes and 8 straight finals. Jordan (and Kobe) were the same. Both could put up insane scoring numbers but be on 5-8 ranked playoff teams. The Triangle was a perfect system for them and it took Jordan from the best player in the league to the best player of all time, with Kobe winning 2 chips as the best player on his team after Shaq left.
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Agree 100% keep it up man
In my opinion KD threw away all of his privileges to be compared to any of the greats the moment he joined the GSW lol. From the categories of the top 5 - 50 best players, best scorer, etc; KD screwed himself from those discussions.
C'mon now. Magic and Kareem would need to be penalized for playing with each other too. They are both literally in the top 10 all time. But with this criteria they should never have gotten privileges to begin with.
KD is the better player, but Steph is greater and has a bigger impact on winning because just by existing he elevates the play of his teammates
If it's a 1v1 Durant wins if it's a 5 v 5 curry all day curry maybe the only case in the league that makes everyone on the court better just by him being out there.
Just watch thinking basketball, and save some time.
Really glad you pointed out the leadership thing, it’s always been my thought on why Curry is a better player than Durant as well.
The analogy I use is this: Durant is like an ultimate weapon. He is unstoppable and versatile, but he’s not the leader of the team. He’s to be used by the leader of the team to win…that leader being Curry when they played together. And considering just how much of a threat Curry is by himself in addition to bringing the best from who he plays with, I think that trumps any stat or eye-test difference between their on-court play, given how little that difference actually is.
Why is it when people talk play making they stop at passing?? Play making isn't only passing, there is set up in which can be described as screening, play calling and play adjustments)
All I witnessed is this: Warriors Championship best player is...
2017: Kevin Durant
2018: Kevin Durant
The Finals MVP is there to validate that FACT.
Maybe I’m overvaluing defense in the last 5 years (and even longer), you don’t win a championship without great defense, the warriors are consistently great at defense, steph has become a good defender. the bucks were amazing defensively, the 2020 lakers won on defense, Toronto had a dpoy, kd and steph were just too much offensively and they were good teams defensively, what I mean is that the value you have to have offensively to offset has to be so huge, that I think you won’t have it available to you while also having a perfect storm of players and system to offset your lack of it.
Post hand-injury, aka Buff Steph, is actually a really good defensive player.
Here before I watch to say this question is laughably easy and it's steph by a mile
I judge a lot of NBA players based on this one question: Would you personally like to play with him? It’s a great question bc it’s going to vary person to person.
So personally, Brian Scalabine
Obviously kd is the better talent, but curry has had way more success at this point while also winning without kd 2x. It’s like magic vs Larry bird in my eyes
Depends how you define “better”
KD can do things Curry can’t just bc of body type, but Curry has a great head on his shoulders both in terms of IQ and personality.
If we go to court nobody pick curry over kd period
We all agree it's curry right?
I'm sorry but Durant being near 7'0 and Steph being 6'2 should absolutely be mentioned. You know how in the fighting world you can be "pound for pound" number 1 regardless of if you're a heavyweight or a lightweight? . Steph getting double teamed and Durant getting double teamed are two different things.
Great point. Although what KD does at his size is great, its not as impressive as what steph does as a shorter player
@@imanolvides3185 Definitely. Not taking anything from KD, he's a generational talent, but compared to Steph. Sheesh.
I actually disagree with the opening statement. Durant can play the 4 or even 5 in a pinch and offenses don’t seek him out as a mismatch. He’s also more versatile scorer. The thing with Curry is he runs off so many screens and moves without the ball. At some point one of the 5 defenders are going to lose concentration and give Curry daylight. Curry’s real value is his gravity. That opens up other teammates and makes him an offense unto himself. Still, I’d say Durant is better.
KD had to come to Steph in order to win. Steph just won again without KD. Theres no debate anymore
Steph hands down.
Who would u pass to in the series ending clutch moment?
Who would you pass to in the 99,9% rest of the game? That is the argument that people use to try and say Ray Allen is better than Curry cause he is more clutch, even if he is better on the last 30 seconds with a game on line, the player that is better in the other 47 minutes and 30 seconds is the better player.
You can argue KD is more clutch, but Curry is better in almost any other situation
Idk why he didn't put defence like defence is very important
can durant disrupt a defense like curry can off-ball? no, dont think durant is better sorry
To save y’all time it’s Curry
1 on 1 KD is better, but in 5v5 steph is better which I think a lot of people can’t wrap their heads around.
Curry has been better since 2016 the only reason why we weren’t able to see this is because kd was on Curry’s team and it made him look better to the average fan because of How much he was getting from Curry’s playmaking on the other hand kds playmaking wasn’t doing much for curry so if they were really close the playmaking is what made the difference. Once he left and both got their own teams Curry proved that his team will always top kds team just like before and after.
Pure Basketball Skill: KD
Legacy Wise: Curry
Curry has a basketball skill to ability to shoot anywhere
@@Light13807KD a beyyer overall scorer tho
I literally been following your channel since your very first video,but this one I didn't like as much. Defense and rebounding are VERY important we cannot just ignore them and look at their offense. I understand this might be more fun (comparing two primarily offensive talents) but this does not translate to actually being better at basketball. In that sense Kyrie Irving is better than Tim Duncan bacause he 's clearly the most charismatic in offense. And I understand that it's not the best comparison since you 're comparing two players that are most impressive offensively but you get the point. All that said I do not think Durant is better than Curry necessarily I just didn't like some of your arguments. That said, more of these series, they are pretty dope
He brought it up in the video, but in this particular match up the reason he didn’t place as much emphasis on Defense and rebounding isn’t because it isn’t important; it’s because it’s not where either player derives most of their value AND they’re about equal relative to their respective positions. In any comparison involving Tim Duncan, as you said defense is more important because that is where he derives a lot of his value. You cant expect to translate the parameters of one comparison directly over to a completely different comparison.
It would be like comparing shaq vs wilt and then spending a whole section talking about their three point game. It doesn’t matter
Durant is the better 1v1 player. But curry is a better leader and has skills that translate better in a 5v5 setting. Imo Durant is the better talent and curry is the better winner.
Who's the better *individual* player? KD
Who makes their team better? Steph
Steph doesn't stop the ball movement and plays amazing in their system and off-ball. KD needs the ball in his hand and doesn't move as well without the ball in his hands.
Steph definitely
1v1 Game of 21, Im picking Durant, any other scenario I take Curry
Yo rusty if you see this comment can you please do this same type of video for one of the following: James Harden vs Russell Westbrook who is better? or James Harden vs Chris Paul who is better? or Kawhi vs Giannis who is better?
Does anyone happen to know if they track off-ball movement stats?
(without watching the video) Steph by a mile
Took 4years to average 22points? By a mile?
You know who has more finals mvp. scoring titles, 1st all nba. 2nd all nba. 3rd all nba between them?
The Curry System is probably the greatest floor-raising system in the history of the sport. Any above average player is going to thrive when they buy into it.
Hahaha I’m only 4 and a half minutes in and idec about the arguments rusty woke up and chose violence and I’m here for it
Preach!
Steph is the 2nd best player in the league rn
7th
No
Who's number one of take Stef first or second for sure
@@mattmccaughen8082 Giannis. Steph definitely top 2, but I think Giannis got that number 1 on lock
@@mattmccaughen8082 Giannis and Jokic are much better than Steph.
KD is better but I’d rather have Steph on my team.
Just because is taller. He is not better
I think this a comparison where championships tells all, Steph without Durant has two chips and Durant without Steph has zero, and it’s not like Durant hasn’t had his chances to win outside of golden state
Steph Curry has beaten KD in the playoffs, has led his own team to titles and has more hardware. He also doesn't try to flee when times are rough, instead he plays hard and delivers a title
KD is a better basketball player, Steph is a better NBA player.
The words you chose for this sentence make absolutely no sense
@@22calibeatz I think he means that KD as an individual basketball player is better, but Steph as an NBA/team player is better
@@22calibeatz Makes total sense. Steph is better in a team structure where 3s are at a premium. KD is better as a one on one player
@@derrickket087 basically what you’re really saying is you think KD is a better scorer than Steph. Which I would still disagree with.
@@Atlantafan21 he's definitely a better isolation scorer but thats about it
KD definitely
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KD uses his height to his advantage. Of course he is a highly skilled big man, but he isn't using much court IQ or play making, just playing iso ball. Curry can score from beyond the arc or in the paint. I'm gunna give the nod to Curry, but both players need to play with other stars to win.
Who doesn’t need to play with other stars to win a ring?
KD wins the eye test for me, but Steph is better in everything that matters. He's the best three-point shooter ever, and his off-ball movement makes it easier for his teammates to score, thereby making the Warriors' entire offense better. He can actually lead a team to a title.