Warren Jeffs' polygamous sect, FLDS, in 'sacred land' standoff
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- čas přidán 3. 04. 2018
- For the past century, the community of Short Creek, on the border between Utah and Arizona, has been the stronghold of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. They’re known for practicing polygamy and following the prophet Warren Jeffs, currently serving a life sentence for pedophilia. Most of the land in Short Creek belongs to a trust founded by the FLDS church, but now managed by former FLDS members. Since current members won’t cooperate with the new secular management of the trust, many FLDS homes are facing eviction.
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Keep sweet and obey is the creepiest creed of any religion I can recall.
Here the problem is not religion but trust on one man!
The demand for obedience isn’t just the LSD, Christianity, Judaism, and other religions also demand obedience. They demand obedience, acceptance of religious doctrine without question, and the suspense of critical thinking and in its place “faith”.
@@madworld4848 That roughly translates to, "Don't question anything, and do as we tell you."
@@GhostSal All organized religions are cults. They all meet the definition of a cult.
Sick 😝 old buzzards.
The expression "keep sweet" immediately makes me spit up in my mouth.
The Ancient Magus Bride, I'm so sorry. My father pounded in me to "be a lady". I'm an old woman now and I curse like a sailor, in honor of my father. And a very cool old woman I met when I was in my teens. She was an artist, and very sophisticated, still wore makeup in her 80's and painted her very long nails, and cursed like a sailor lol. I loved that woman.
The Ancient Magus Bride, I'm glad that didn't happen. I wish it never happened to any young girl.
The Ancient Magus Bride how did you stand that. So much abuse in that alone. It's fine with me if people want to be a polygamists as long as all are willing adults. It's so sad.
Yep. "Grin and bear it." "Bend over and take it."
gardener and "obey" 😤
Faith doesn't include Rape... I should know that!
True, but when you have an entire community of people who ALL grew up thinking that rape is a part of faith... you got real prolems.
Who is this Faith person everyone mentions? Lol
The image of that little girl literally pushing the wall down and the light flooding in is amazingly symbolic. I hope she breaks free from this abuse and insanity.
That is not a wall, it's a drop down door on a cargo toy hauler.
Agreed.
That delusional out of touch hippy lady needs to be done away with the evictions continue. It's time for the cult to end.
Warren Jeffs needs to be put in supermax so he can’t continue communicating with these people.
I imagine the only way he is still communicating with them is his 1 and official wife having visitation.
A simple Google search will show that Jeff’s had a mental breakdown last year. Hope his power is stripped but he will just become a Saint to these people
@@TheLucky19978 not true.. He makes phone calls and letters as well as visits.. Anyone can visit as long as they fill out visitation form
@@pla5730 That just makes it worse
bring him to Florence. If El Chapo can be sent there, why not him? The same belt that hits Joaquin cannot hit Warren?
The denial is insane.
The pilgrim dress always gives me the creeps.
They pose as Mormons but were rejected by the actual Mormons so I think it is just to look wholesome. Or Father Jeffs likes that look for his sex slaves turns him on.
They have been brainwashed their whole live.
SAME DRESS AS THE AMISH WHERE DO THEY MAKE TOU SICK AS WELL
They aren't denying anything. They don't know anything different.
I hope some big dude is making Warren Jeff's "keep sweet" in prison.
🤣🤣🤣👍
He's going to make a fine sisterwife.
Jeffs is the probably the tallest guy there. Also "Jeff's"?? The man ain't a restaurant, you silly moron
@@darrenlawson4909 Good one 😂🤣
He would deserve anything he gets...dirt bag.
Polygamists: This is our sacred land.
Native Americans: Hold my tea.
Hold my fire water.
EEEEXACTLY. These people don’t give AF. It’s just “sacred” to them and yeah it was yours for hundreds of years but uhh finders keepers.
they actually believe in there beliefs that the native americans are bad and wicked people
I was thinking the same. The ground is sacred, but not for you.
LOL!!!! True true
The FLDS is such a hopeless mess, it is difficult to form sympathies for anyone involved. Just an absolute grim situation.
Mark Adams 11111
That was the hopeless mess I grew up in... Warren is my Uncle.
Yes but that is not a justification for evicting people from their homes based on dislike for their religion. Two wrongs do not make a right...forcing families to leave and destroying their food buildings is as ugly as pedophilia.
That’s really true. I love my family a whole bunch, and they can’t talk to me anymore. But I can’t stand to see them in this mess (evictions) but I’m glad they got their home back. Even though it’s very abusive there I believe that they can practice whatever religion the want to
Jacob Barlow but their religion can't involve sexual or other abuses. I just hate seeing these women and children losing their homes. Christian faith does not include sexual and other abuses. But I distantly respect their polygamous beliefs as long as children are not involved. Sadly, that is not always the case. This must be hard for you. I am sorry.
I don’t get why Christine is helping these FLDS stay in their homes and continue their cult behavior. I thought she was meant to help the former FLDS. I just don’t get this.
I know she needs to slither back in her hole
Christine has completely turned her back on all that she knows about polygamy being harmful. She deleted the information from her website and is now assisting their oppressors.
She is creating propaganda that is misleading at best, and supports the leaders in their control of the people. She's getting a degree in media psychology and is using her knowledge to skew the truth in the FLDS, in an effort to sway public opinion. She wants people to think these are just good, devout people who want to worship god in peace. Nothing could be further from the truth.
I know. I was FLDS for the first 40 years of my life. I attended school under Warren Jeffs, and I know all about it - from the inside.
I was just thinking that? Like why?
Because that is preferable to having large families with single mothers living homeless in tent cities.
@Belltown Daisy the kids need to be taken away from parents that use them as slave labor and breeding machines..
He's abusing their children and they're more concerned if they'll get into "heaven" . Disgusting
They were raised & indoctrinated to believe this & do not understand it's wrong ugh. What's disgusting is the decades & decades long isolation & brainwashing that has been allowed in the name of religion that has enabled this 🤦
I saw one young woman discribing Jeffs coming onto her and simultaneously asking her, "who's your mother?" He didn't even know which woman his own daughter was from. Also notice the lack of boys in this video! When they start getting 10-11 or so, they get kicked out of the group for some imagined offenses so the grown men don't have competition for the new crop of women growing up.
NO THEY NEED THERE MEN TO BUILD FOR. THEM REMEMBER THEM SAYING THEY SEND THERE BOYS TO WORK SO WHILE THEY WHERE VIDEOING THERE WOMAN THE MEN WHERE AT WORK
I noticed the homes are dirty, not picked up, and one other thing...where are all the men?
Hiding with there tails between there legs
At the strip joint scoping out new potential wives.
That's true! Why all the moving and packing is being done by women and children? Of course men must feel bad about not being able to rape kids again....but where the fuck did they go?
They banished many of the men for some wrong doings - they say - and since warren jeffs has been arrested any physical contact other than - handshake -between husband and wife is prohibited, only a select group of men (15 men) chosen by W J is allowed to contribute in their community's population growth aka baby making. Also they have been sending boys(as young as 8/9 and 7ish hours a day for children and more fore to older ones) and young men to be laborers without any payment, money goes directly into their church.
Separated, sometimes men and woman aren't allowed with each other, i know weird.
Warren Jeffs house has been turned into a drug treatment home. The local school has been reopened and kids are learning and growing again. There are blessings coming out of this disgusting abuse
Only a few of the people are free, many hundreds - thousands - are still just as trapped and believing as ever.
Countless children are still separated from their parents and have been for years. Many have no clue who their parents are. They are trafficked and traded around between "caretakers" until they're old enough to be put to work.
I have nearly 100 nieces and nephews who are still trapped out there - and that's only counting those who are related to me by blood.
The town is changing, yes, but the FLDS are not.
Kristey really?? That’s awesome!!
Yeah but the people who still believe warren Jeff’s is the prophet all moved.. it’s the people that don’t believe he’s the prophet anymore that stayed.. so good for those that stayed but the ones that left are still somewhere living by his crazy rules
The prison needs to stop Jeffs to cut off ALL communications with the others of the FLDS!!!!! These people need to be taken away from these sickening perverts.
Crying over eviction? They should be crying about what that “man” has done to their children and how they blindly brought them into that environment. Despicable. I don’t care how manipulated they are, they get zero sympathy from me.
Doesn’t make any sense you could drive a dangerous car but isn’t considered an adult that’s what I mean about the government brainwashing people in stupidity in the government
These people are so broken, you will never know or understand.
You Don't Understand Their Way Of Life
Yeah, that advocate lady is a naive out of touch fool who didn't even bother to learn about what she was getting in to.
@@ChrisSierrasDon’t want to
That women preventing the evictions isnt doing good in the long term.
If they stay together theyll be way more likely to stay in the FLD.
They need to leave that area and be exposed to the world outside their sacred land.
I dont feel sorry for the people cause ive seen the other videos of them preventing people who have left the church from having their children back.
A man, or woman, forced against their will is of the same opinion still.
Well your are right spokes but not all flds members do that to children so why should they all be blamed for the actions of some of them just because they stay in the flds dose not mean they don’t deserve a home
I would agree if the object was to destroy the people along with the religion. But I believe that what she is doing will help break the lies in people's minds. They are seeing someone from the outside who is kind and helpful and treating them with respect.
@@just1girl846 They chose to follow a pedophile, they get EXACTLY what they deserve. But hey, you wanna defend pedo lovers you do you honey 😜
Sorry but its time to do away with these awful cults and ideologies
Bouncecolor News right on, feel for those women.hope they are able to find happier and healthier paths in life.
They're protected by the constitution though. Freedom of religion. The sad fact is these women are convinced they're happy
Afmedic85 they probably can't pay the property taxes any more though since jeffs is in prison now.
I wouldn't call this a cult based on the fbi standards of what a cult is
Lilly Newsom it is when your leader which was warren Jeff's has a minor that's 14 or 15 years of age and has her married of to a guy in his 40 or 50s.Jeff's was only in it for the power the guy is mentally fucked up😒
This lady has such a pure heart.. and i know kicking people out of there homes can be harsh.. but the people who left the religion are trying to evict these people because there feeding a cult. There trying to put an end to an abusive circle. Sacred land or not, these people abuse children physically and sexually and also promote child marriage.
Civil rights violations need to be taken more serious no matter where you live no one is a slave to their own decisions and community education and equal rights in America people are not mindless souls that you treat like a animal people are allowed to make there own decisions on life not for some one to else to control over their own decisions in life
Children are supposed to be children not thrown into making decisions of being considered an adult at an early age pure control over a population of people who are weak and controlled by a dictator of a person who thrives on the weakest of the population
Yup and the first new law by the new mayors of Colorado City and Hildale No Worshiping Warren Jeffs! Warren's cult of personality is not welcome in city limits they also drove out the God Squad, the Neo Nazis, and the AUB and Anti Government groups that controlled the towns Priesthood Protection Team and Patriot Front. Before 2018 if you went into Colorado City in daylight or went through there with your lights on you can get harassed and if you went through Cane Beds Arizona or Pipe Springs you can get shot. Not anymore! Starting in 2018 the FLDS don't control the police, the God Squad has been disbanded, most of the boys have been ran out of town or are in prison, the AUB and their group Priesthood Protection Team has disbanded and they have been driven out of Utah and Arizona and the Neo Nazi and Patriot Front training camp in Cane Beds has closed raided by the ATF with their leader Ammon Bundy serving time in Idaho for running as a carpetbagger. Things are changing down there this time for the good.
Yeah that lady is still delusional and stuck in her outdated foolish ways. The evictions need to continue.
It wasn't just about that how about you question something that affects you and you lose your whole life house wives children or in many cases just because of warren Jeff's paranoid thinking when you love done nothing wrong it's about the whole way of life for these idiots as long as you do what he says when he says it you can live in happiness even if the girl you love is marrying some old man with 20 other wives
Don't blame the government, don't blame the trust, don't blame the "apostates" blame the leaders of your church who let you down.
They also committed mass food stamp Freud they say that they cannot work with the government than why use those resources while in the faith
Gene pool is a bit shallow in this community. They are already extinct and don’t even know it.
Miss Information - That’s so true. The incidence of birth defects and health issues is rising while their access to medical care is decreasing. It’s a horrifying convergence that will only get worse. They now have only 15 men in the entire church who are allowed to father children. If a woman wants to have a child, she has to be assigned to one of those men and have sex with them and her husband has to silently watch. There is no way in hell this practice isn’t going to lead to catastrophic health issues.
They have no problem marrying their own family members, so they will keep having kids even if they don’t come out healthy. Warren Jeffs had no problem raping his own daughter
There's an entire graveyard of babies with tombstones that are homemade. Most likely babies born with too many defects to survive or underage girls who didn't get proper prenatal care
@@liz2880 did he really
Good People Prosper yeah I saw one of his daughters on a clip from Oprah I think, and she said she’d been raped by him. I mean he has a ton of kids so he probably never even had that fatherly Connection to them
I feel sad for those kids
Those poor kids. It's heartwrenching how the children will suffer for the sins of their parents.
That delusional out of touch hippy lady needs to be done away with the evictions continue. It's time for the cult to end.
And majority of these women suffered those crimes as children 😕
Everyone is related in one way or another. Let that sink in for a minute.
Inbreeding is common in polygamous cults. Uncles marry nieces and sometimes their own half sisters. Lots of birth defects are the result.
This is not their land! This land BELONGS to the natives!!!!!!!!!
The natives lost the same way the natives before them lost it and so on and so fourth
No...
@Erich kempka Oh dear, you are all sorts of crazy, aren't you.
@Erich kempka I have, and let me let you in on a little secret: People aren't calling you names because you are a white male, but because you are crazy.
Vanessa H. “Native Americans” crossed over the Bering Land Bridge from Asia. DNA evidence proves it. Sorry to burst your truth bubble. They got here before white people, but did not grow out of the soil.
Can the narrator be slightly louder? I felt like I was straining to hear the dying whispers of Citizen Kane. That was just annoying.
She’s got vocal fry!
Akshay Anand
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Akshay Anand it is done intentionally to make you have to listen harder 🙄🙄🙄
Akshay Anand her voice doesn’t project strongly enough even if volume turned up. I know some people who speak that way too and it’s a bloody chore to try and understand them because their volume just fades as they speak.
Akshay Anand I dont know if its a matter of volume or if its that she doesnt open her mouth to speak. Its a great documentary though.
By stopping the evictions she helping them to come back! That lady said she wants people to come back! That community needs to be destroyed!
Maybe have some compassion? It's their home. Everyone deserves housing
@@itsniquenique45YES BUT EVERYONE NEEDS TO FOLLOW LAWS LAID OUT BY POEPLE THAT THINK THEY KNOW WHATS BEST FOR EVERYONE ELES RIGHT WHICH STILL DOESN'T CHANGE HOW MESSES UP HAVING MORE THE. ONE WIFE AT THAT POINT ITS ABOUT GREED SO ITS ALL IN HIW YOU LOOK AT IT AND NEEDS TO BE REMOVED LIKE RIPPING A BANDAID OFF THE SOONER THE BETTER BUT IT STILL DOESN'T MEAN THEY DONT HAVE A RIGHT TO BE WITH FAMILY DOES IT
" they could leave if they wanted"
That's rich.
That's part of the reason for child brides.
They have children as minors, get minimal education, stand to lose their children if they leave and thus are in many cases trapped by decisions made for them before they became legal adults.
Try and leave before 18, good luck.
I felt bad for the children.
these people have the nerve! that is sacred land to natives not mormans.. you know i am happy to see this happening.. this is karma a long time ago the mormans took land and children from the natives built schools and forced native children to abandon their language and culture. now they are getting the same treatment their ancestors forced on the true owners of the sacred land. i have ZERO empathy for them
Dorene Moreno Agreed! And that Christine birch in the documentary trying to help ... And asking here in the comments to help/volunteer if you can . Christine was on the series Escaping Polygamy "helping women/girls who escaped before being forced to be married off to their uncles or their fathers is now trying to help them....HYPOCRITE😀
Lol,you honestly think that a cent will get back to the native Americans lol. You're delusional.
Cecy Z. I know, right ? I saw her on that show. Wtf ? I don't get it.
Look up The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints before you say things that are not true.The LDS Church has done a lot for the American Indians.
These people aren't mormons. Actual mormons believe that the native Americans are apart of Gods covenant people and have always had a great relationship with them and still do. Don't speak without any knowledge of what you're talking about
I’m confused with Christine. In an episode of Escaping Polygamy, she helped house a minor who escaped from the FLDS. Is she for or against the FLDS?
She's probably taking advantage of FLDS folks in the area.
She stated on another video that she is friends with people in the FLDS and people who have left. She does not support abuse or coercive control and she still helps people leave. She is concerned about the people's welfare and wants to make sure they have food, shelter, and water. She has also said that the media has spread a lot of lies about FLDS rules and how not everyone is polygamist or abusive.
like literally was searching for this comment. which side is she on???
@@marshmallow7640 Christine is a straight up NUT. Above all else, she honors publicity and attention.
I don’t think it’s that simple. I think she can help mothers stay in their homes w/multiple children while also supporting children leaving. Warren is gone. There are no marriages happening. Do that immediate threat is gone. The de-programming takes time.
Am I the only one who's oddly satisfied at the fact the ladies started crying when they took down the building 😂😂😂
What's up with narrator? Is she on some calming down meds, extremely tired or has some bad idea of sexy voice?
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Yeah her voice is annoying
It's called Prozac, the most widely used pharmaceutical next to opiates used in Utah.
Orrrrr that's how she speaks?
I don't find anything wrong with her voice!
Where are the men......?
Lizzie - sent away by Warren Jeffs and his goons. Most of the men were declared apostates and forced to leave, but their wives and children were assigned to other men.
The only men are too special to work, and allowed to claim another's wife or daughters for himself. If the husband, brother, or son objects they are thrown out. Almost all the young men were thrown out years ago and only the old pedophiles remain, thinking they go to heaven for "marrying" young girls.
The mind boggles!
Cassie C.... every time I hear that words “assigned to other men” my skin crawls. Right up there with koresh banning male followers from having sex with their own wife as only he could.
Most of the men have either been sent away to repent, or on work missions. What few men that are left are leaders and all around cowards. They send women out in front of the cameras while they cower behind their skirts.
You never see the top guys or their families in the public eye. Instead they instruct their followers to lie and create propaganda.
I know, I spent 40 years in the FLDS. I sat in their meetings and heard the instructions with my own ears.
"We love our fences becuz it keeps our children in and other ppl out...."
What it means...is....
We love our fences. It keeps our children in to be served up like feast of the pure to those who are pedophiles claiming to be holy. And keeps those who would stand and protect the innocent out.
"Keep sweet and obey" ? Yeah right!
their god Warren Jeffs said that where he now? He's in jail in Texas for raping two girls. Warren is a pedophile he's not God and the FLDS need to stop worshiping him. Christine has talked to some of them they need to know that you don't worship Warren's cult of personality. Warren is evil he is a false prophet, a false god, and a pedophile and the FLDS need to stop worshiping him.
My heart breaks for these people. They have been so isolated they have no idea how the world works
Kristen berer Yes they do!!..watch ESCAPING Polygamy...They ALL have cell phones and internet and NO FUCKIN SHAME!!!..LET THEM ROT!!!😀
Cecy Z I work as a CASA advocate in Ut. Just because you see something on a tv show does not make it fact for everyone. TVs, Radios and media and even TOYS are NOT allowed in the community
Kristen berer Right!!!...so that girl at 4:58 is holding a phone or some magic wand or what??...Every documentary you see of these cults they have cell phones....They also have access to internet....And look! That girl knows how to use the phone to record with...Genius!!!...All of a sudden these people are ignorant and know NOTHING of the outside world??? Its more like Stupid when it is convenient for them...Rot! Rot! Rot!!..besides the reason they don't have toys is because you cannot buy them with the food stamps
they have stolen from the the government for decades...😶👍
OH THEY KNOW THE ELDERS KNOW AND ALOT OF THE YOUNGER DO TO I DONT FEEL SORRY ONE BIT THEY CAN LEAVE IF THEY WANT TO THEY CAN CHANGE EVERYTHING AND STILL LIVE THERE IF THEY OPEN THERE HEART'S TO THE WORLD BUT THEY DONT I FOR ONE AM HAPPY THERE LOSING THERE LAND HOPEFULLY THIS PUTS AMD END TO THIS STUPID WAY OF LIFE
Wow this is creepy this reminds me of the show handmaids tale !!
Having lived in the FLDS, I can tell you it's very similar. Watching Handmaid's Tale is triggering for me.
@@brendanicholson7797 Brenda, I am so glad you got away! I grew up in Flagstaff in the 80's and I was told by other children about horrible things going on up there and I always thought the stories were exaggerated, but actually they were watered down... I have always felt deeply concerned about what was going on there. In my early 20's it turns out that a couple of my close friends were close friends with a gal who escaped there in the 80's... I did not know until years later, but she stood out to me back then... I was not close to her, but she would be around in our group of friends from time to time, we were in a wedding together... And years later, my close friend had relayed to me a bit about what was she had gone through... I was like OMG, it's true what I heard as a child ! And all this time I knew this girl and I wish I could have hugged her or something. It really make you think about what you don't know others have gone through. It makes me want to be as kind as possible to everyone. I wish there was something I could say or do about this. Just know that there are people who care about what is going on.
Sounds like justice hit this child grooming militia.
NBC: "They're taught to not trust the government or believe the news"
Me: So, when does the crazy come in?
Sitting on you but having to many children on welfare , allowing a beast to molest your children and banish your son's, wow great mom's indeed.
AO YOU MUST BE ONE OF THOSE MAGA MORONS I DRINK MAGA TEARS IN MY CUP EVERY NIGHT AFTER THE DON LOSES IN COURT EVERYDAY
Really tired of narrators from various sources trying to emulate the sound/timbre of 'This American Life' that raspy, back throated, oddly staccato diction...it's grating. It actually distracted me from the story.
I agree, just talk NORMALLY stop trying to sound like someone you aren’t
That's interesting... I actually love her voice because to my ears, it _doesn't_ sound like all those TAL imitators. I know what you're referring to with other people, though. That's one of my biggest complaints about podcasts. Low pitch and occasional vocal fry are standard among young people, which is fine with me. It's the cadence and speech patterns that I find annoying, only because they're become so, so pervasive.
I almost become mormon but until I heard horrible things made to women and children I......😨😨😨😨fled right away from there.
Nicoletta Ciccone This is the flds not the lds. Mormons stopped polygamy over 100 years ago.
+barefoot arizona there's 280 versions of a bible, and nothing in it is a proven fact. and your gonna quote it and tell me that's truth? yea...
Im starting a cult. I want you in it only you
@@shortguy6395 As a short guy good luck with that. At least Warren is tall.
😂😂😂😂
So weird that it is still about ownership of land.
But, as most Cherokees know, the US will not tolerate a nation within the Nation. It’s been about 7 generations.
Interesting how so many things become sacred when they don’t want to abide by the law.
The whole "religion" is based on lies, I'm not surprised in the slightest...
HOW MANY CHURCHES DONT PAY TAX......NONE OF THEM AND HOW MANY OF THEM HAVE HOMES THE CHURCH OWN AMD DONT PAY TAX FOE YET THERE WHOLE CONGREGATION HAS TO PAY PLUS GIVE TO THE CHURCH SEE HIW THAT WORKS ITS NOT ABOUT BEING SACRED ITS ABOUT GETTING OUT OF PAYING TAXES TO A GOVERNMENT THAT KEPT THEM SAFE DURING WW1 AND WW2 AS WELL AS TOURIST AND OTHERS THEY THINK THEY CAN LIVE HEAR FOR NOTHING TAKE IN ALL THE BENEFITS BUT GIVE NOTHING BACK
When you practice polygamy you are breaking the law there are also taxes lease payments etc and when those don’t get paid you lose your home some of these mothers you should feel sorry for in a way due to oppression but you can’t marry children, multiple wives, or pay due taxes or leases if you aren’t breaking the law these things wouldn’t happen. Children go hungry because they have 100 siblings they also use government benefits because they are not married “legally ”
When you dish out child brides and don’t think anything is wrong with that I believe there is a price to pay non of us are exempt from the law even God said you should abide by the law of the land and this land polygamy is illegal along with children being brides and they stop their education at a young age to keep their followers in line.
Sadly, you are correct.
Love seeing the slow downfall to the FLDS
And I'll be honest, I don't wanna sound f*cked up or anything, Let's hope the official LDS has it's downfall as well, Because the "Official" LDS church is what started this as the FLDS broke from the LDS church centuries ago.
Austin Shutt so if some one raped a child and was sent to jail you’d send his dad, uncle, grandfather, or brother to jail to? Even if they had already “served their time” grow up and move on we are doing our best to be Christ like and not anger others so let us be.
They don't have to "lose" they are willing leaving because they refuse to pay rent because of their own standards and pride. This won't have happened if they just paid their rent. I can't feel said for people that refuse to change when help is literally coming to them
Now you know how those Native Americans felt.
The FLDS position on signing contracts with non-members, seems a little situational. They can't sign an agreement with a non-FLDS member. Great, so how do they buy a car, rent a u-haul truck, or get their electricity? Those all require them to enter into agreements with non-members, and I notice they're all driving new cars, using moving trucks, and it would appear that their homes do not lack electric service. So, I'd have to agree that their problems are - to a large part - an attempt on their part to generate a cause célèbre, and some sympathy for their position. On the other hand, the asshole with the white beard seems to me to be getting just a little too much enjoyment out of his job, which is - after all - kicking people out of homes that they and their families have lived in for generations. I'm not seeing any white hats here.
yeah, lets each have 5 or 10 children, and then have the government pay for your food, subsidies, medical, etc. What a joke.
I think it was just that they can't sign contracts with apostates, and the land trust is now run by people who left the religion (I.e. Apostates). So they can sign contracts with people that have never had anything to do with that relidion
They aren’t allowed to sign with the trust as it’s run by apostates, aka people who have left the church. They are, however, allowed to do business with people who have never belonged to the faith- I believe they call outsiders gentiles, but I could be mixing up my religions on that particular term.
@@thecraftycyborg9024 I've heard former members use the term gentile so I believe you're right.
It isn't "non-members" they won't deal with, it is those who have left the FLDS or what they consider "apostates" whom they won't deal with.
Interesting content, but the narration is very difficult to listen to.
i hope one day , this whole mess would be over ..... i just feel so so bad for these people , the fact that they don't even know that they were and are being violated by their community is so frustrating .... hope i could go back to time and stop this ridiculous community from ever forming .
But you see they don't feel bad for themselves
The FLDS lady at the end, said it all "We love our fences (walls) because it keeps our children in, and other people out"
ie. a prison. A compound. A place of control over the younger generation so that they can instill fear of outsiders.
Ain't religion wonderful?
No it is a cult not a religion.
Covena White Religion=big cult
😂
If anyone is interested I know there is a show called escaping polygamy that shows the extreme circumstances some of these people go through, and very accurately portrays the pain being cut off from your community can cause. There are more "religions," "cults," or whatever you wish to call them that operate like this. Some are harsher than others.
Match Ashes yup I watched that show. The show owners Andrea, Jessica and Shanell are the same father not same mother, and they from Salt Lake city UT.
Me!
I was in the cult
Some of these women seem to be very happy living out the handmaid's tale. That is creepy AF.
I wish all FLDS members were educated in taxes. Because the mothers don’t understand why their being evicted they think it’s because they are hated, they don’t realize it’s because it’s the law.
They don't want it so that's own them!
I’m assuming Science is not a learned subject. Where was ‘God’ during all of this?
Pretty Prudent crying for his mislead children.
Ahhh but it’s “test of faith” that they must learn to “conquer” and if they succeed then it will prove their “worth” all “bad” things are “tests”
@Tara Jane : I’ve come to realize the importance of learning to respect different groups, and how they choose to live, rather than trying to influence them with our own modern views (which are generally twisted themselves). Live your own life.
The narrator has such a blah voice. It was hard to hear her.
Lauren Mehra I agree. Her voice doesn’t project.
I LOVE her voice. I can understand stand it so much better than most other narrators. To each their own, I guess.
This is a good thing now we need to look into Scientology
Can you believe that one of the world’s most isolated religious sects is located right next to one of the most visited national parks in the entire United States..
yup and although some of them have accepted our ways most of the older generation still worship Warren Jeffs. Most of those who did not pay their taxes or listen to Christine, the girls on Escaping Polygamy, Rachel Jeffs, or the boys from Breaking the Faith have been evicted. Those that have been in Warren's inner circle are in jail some awaiting execution. Also half the city has become a tourist attraction. Most of the FLDS who are still here have comingled with the Centennials and the Midianites. I seen a few come up to Idaho they come into Costco to eat and most go to the collage. Christine had the UEP and the mayors of both towns pass a new set of laws. 1. No worshiping Warren Jeffs, 2. you must obey the laws of Utah, Arizona, and the United States, 3. you must pay your taxes, 4. if your family has women in it no more then six are allowed on the property, 5. no pickups or teenage boys are allowed in city limits or on any streets after hours, 6. No violating curfew or playing truant, 7. no boys or men may enlist in the God Squad, Priesthood Protection Team, the Neo Nazis, or join Ammon Bundy's group Patriot Front, 8. no city cameras may be used to spy of the public, 9. No Colorado City residents may engage in road rage or make any arrest without a member of the Utah Highway Patrol or an officer of the Arizona Department of Public Safety present, and 10 No buildings may be operated in Warren's name or any fence may be constructed around them except for a public dwelling. Any FLDS who fail to comply by these rules will be evicted and their buildings and fences will be torn down and the land given to residents of Utah or Arizona, all boys and men who violate the law will be arrested and sent to jails in Utah or Arizona with those in Utah subject to execution by shooting in the prison yards, any children caught playing truant or seen worshiping Warren will be taken away and they will never see their families ever again, and if you violate the occupancy agreement and have any women in your house they will be taken away and they will be sent to prison. Those laws are harsh but those are the laws since 2018.
"Everyone obeys the authority of the church." I think someone's confused.
This is a good video that explains how genuine people, including innocent children become trapped in these systems. Congratulations to Christine for moving into this community to deal with this situation with love and understanding. And secondary to Jeff Barlow, who also looks like he is trying to find solutions. People who have not lived within these types of belief systems cannot understand. Men sometimes go to extraordinary lengths to legitimize uncontrolled sexual drives, and Warren Jeffs was one of those. These women and children, and yes the men, who have also been manipulated and deceived, deserved better. Hopefully love and understanding can move this community forward so that the church members can see that the outside world is not all bad, but also to acknowledge that parts of their belief and practices were definitely bad, and many people have been hurt. Wishing you the very best.
You didn’t watch the whole video. Christina didn’t end up helping. She instead is supporting the lifestyle!
Once I heard that they would put young teenager boys out basically making them homeless to remove young men from the mix. That way the older men can have all the women.
Kudos to Christine. She’s been an absolute angel for those who have left the cults, it’s also good and decent that she found a way for these mothers and their children to not end up homeless. Hopefully her goodwill will show them that she is not a threat and only wants what is best for them. And good on the former members who run the trust only sending letters if they haven’t paid their taxes for 5 years, only when they have to. It’s not like they’re kicking them out for still being in FLDS.
That delusional out of touch hippy lady needs to be done away with the evictions continue. It's time for the cult to end.
Being raised in a strict Pentecostal household, not to mention my dad being the "pastor" leader, has catapulted me into new truths of how ridiculous and unjust this belief system is.
Gofldskeeptogater
So all they needed was a middle man to help come to an agreement. What took so long to figure that out 😑?
they don't have basic instruction. Warren Jeffs is their beginning and end, and guess what? Their school too
So Norma can talk to a non-believer to get what she wants, but can't talk to child who wanted freedom and choice?
They were just toddlers throwing a temper tantrum because someone else got ownership of their toys. Refusing to pay rent because it requires recognizing the other party as human is about as stupid as you can get. Let them go homeless, starve, and get to that place in heaven they're so desperate to keep all the faster.
The fruits of Mormonism
+barefoot - Polygamy is a fruit of mormonism, Patriarchy and overt sexism are the fruits of mormonism, racism is a fruit of mormonism, homphobia, hate and bigotry are the fruits of mormonism. Willfull ignorance and a false sense of spiritual superiority, these are also the fruits of mormonism.
+barefoot - You say that like the Book of Mormon is a weapon that can magically disarm anyone who disagrees with the Mormon church's truth claims. Sorry to tell you, but you've been badly mislead - that's not how it works in real life. Having a good feeling about something is not how we discover the truth.
barefoot arizona
I am so grateful to be a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
Thank you for standing your grounds! I am also grateful for my own loving warm individual witness from the DIRECT source Himself- the Lord of the truthfulness of the gospel.
Millions if not billions by now across the globe share the same conviction. The love remains deeply in the heart.
The Church has nothing to do with polygamy whatsoever in anyway, shape or form.
Thank you again
Rob Paulson don’t even try that man those are all things that would exist with or with out the LDS religion.
Is stay sweet and obey written in the men's caves too or just the slaves homes?
I always come back to you!
What makes me sad is that the leaders of these cults take the bible and completely twisted it and then brainwash vulnerable people. God is love and His intentions for His creation has always been freedom, joy and peace. Jesus came to this world to show us the true nature of His Father. If people were to read the words of Jesus for themselves and ask questions they would find freedom from all oppression and manipulation and find true peace for their souls. Jesus came to save us and give us abundant life and this lifestyle and belief system is nothing close to that promise.
Some people still live in the dark ages , while most of us are in the 21st century.
I just see all these children and wonder how much abuse each has gone through.
You don't have to wonder ugh. It's very well documented
Ive seen alot of these documentaries and its super scary how many Barlows there are and how many of them that are still in the church hold positions of power in the community. I saw a town hall meeting and they were all barlows and refused to talk to the people.
They won't pay taxes but feel fine collecting hundreds of thousands of dollars in welfare. Only the first wife is legally
married. The sister wives are single parents with dependent children as far as the law is concerned. Thus they are eligible for public assistance and take full advantage of it.
Teaching not to trust the government and the news presented by the Mainstream media is very relevant. That should be taught to many people today.
I had to watch this with the volume down & read captions instead. the narrator’s voice is unbearable.
Lol I thought it was just me
I'm a geologist. Land isn't sacred; it's just land, originally rock, now weathered into landscapes and soil. Some is more beautiful, some is more fertile, but it's all just modified rock.
*Polygynyst sect Unless women are allowed to have multiple husbands. Please distinguish between POLYGAMY (MULTIPLE-SPOUSES) regardless of sex and gender and POLYGYNY (MULTIPLE-WIVES).
You can feel sorry for them in many ways, but the more this cult breaks up the better for everyone. Including them.
In a way, I feel sorry for the innocent children. They never knew any other life except what they were taught.
kind of like all the kids in north korea, except they actually can't leave
@@wcovey25SOMEDAY WE WILL ALL HAVE TO ANSWER FOR THAT CRIME YES WE ALL WILL HAVING A COUNTRY FULL OF HATE FOR ANYTHING OTHER THEM THERE FASHIONED WAY OF LIFE WE WILL ALL HAVE TO ANSWER TO THERE BRAINWASHING ONE DAY MAYBE SOON
THAT IS WHY THEY NEED TO BE TAKEN AWAY FOR THERE PARENTS GROWING UP THINKING ITS OK TO HAVE MORE THEN ONE WIFE COME ON CPS HAS TAKEN KIDS FOR FAR LESS THAN THAT
These poor women and children. What a hellish life.
Thomas Babbington Macauley wrote: "No story is too absurd to be imposed on minds blinded by religious and political fanaticism"....
I believe that sweetness and obedience are godly characteristics
That lady is in so many of these documentaries but she changes her stance and everyone.
Hi I am a member of the original branch of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in our religion not even are prophets or the 12 apostles or even the 70s are not safe from persecution it wasn't long ago the 1 of 70 where excommunicated for reasons I do not remember so it doesn't matter the hierarchy in our religion you are in if you do something illegal or immoral they they would be taken 2 police and properly assess if they should be excommunicated or not or go through rigorous repentance but still get their just punishment by the law I just want to say that thank you for being🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗
Why are there no FLDS men shown in this?
Don't forget rape, statutory rape, incest. Also there are far far fewer men in these prisons than women. But it's ok. It's all in the name of Jesus Christ so far be from us to infringe on their religious freedom to rape children.
OK, so if those are the reasons, why isn't that included to complete the reality of this heart-rending story of women and children being evicted from their homes? Simply being silent about the absence of men seems very one-sided to me.
They busy rapping their nieces and daughters 😖
Ya’all got it wrong, it’s because they don’t video them
+ThejustinEpage Don't forget Freedom of religion doesn't just protect religious it also protects those who choose not to participate in religion
Those that were ostracized from their children after being excommunicated deserve to have power over what they’ve helped to build also. These people were not following the laws. They followed their own, and locked everyone out. This was land that was sacred to the native Americans before it was ever their home.
Oh good God shut up go cry to someone else in that fact the very land your on right now shouldn't be yours so pack up and go back to where your family came from and stop enjoying the land that was taken from them and given to you stupid
Polygamy is probably one of the worst crimes ever and you cant leave if you want one of my friends escaped from the FLDS they get brainwashed and sexually and physically abused it is a horrible thing to do.
I've watched several videos by different creators on this same community and its been the same women in the videos every time. I wonder if they're designated spokeswoman for the Short Creek FLDS
Glad that’s over. They took me away from my parents for 2 years when I was 6.
Are you completely free from them now?
@@MeneTekelUpharsin yes they have kinda fallen apart the last couple years.
Sign that damn paper before I let my kids be homeless.Let go of that ego!
I have no sympathy. They allow their children to be used as labour and sexually abused. And the women who subject to 'keep sweet and obey' are setting a terrible example. Disgusting!
Is that ranch still running 2022?
It’s like real life of the handmaids tale.
What a compassionate and kind woman Christine is. I hope her kindness and sensitivity will help break the lies the people have been told and that she can be a bridge for them.
Yeah, I dunno. She kind of seems like she's helping the problem. Seems like it'd be better to just rip these people's community totally apart. Fuck it. If you don't - they'll just feed the children to more pedophiles.
She spent a long time battling polygamy…. Now she seems to be helping them be open to staying in….
Was it just me or was the narrators voice so calm, low, and soothing that I almost couldn’t hear or understand her...?
We were given access to Warren Jeffs compound in Laredo, TX in 2015. It was amazing. LE raided his compound and left it under the care of the State and thus the local sheriff who was great. He let us use the property and access buildings as we deemed necessary. LE had the entire church marked of meticulously but forgot an entire section during their scan of religious books that went back to Brigham Young. These books were originals and old. They were secured behind a huge bank like vault in the buildings basement near the creepy little girl showers. They had a nice compound and the orchard was excellent. The books made a nice fire.
Showers? 😕
So Sad That these people are so disconnected from the real world due to there teachings and leaders of false people.....