Shawn Rhoden vs Phil Heath - Who Should've Won in 2018?
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The mindset of Brandon Curry really impress me now. I haven't known that he is that kind of a guy!
You easily impressed. Your post reminds me of Owen Wilson's remark on being invited to hear the Dali Lama speak. He said people were going "oooh & Aaah" when the Lama said " The only way to world peace is loving each other."
It's actually a good thing and true. I think your mind blocks the awesomness around you. It's the little and simple things that are shining bright and make us happy.
Uy doesnt impress me un this topic at least. He is just boy willing to accept Shawn won fair and square..don't come at me with the bullshit that Phill Lost cuz of his mindset on the stage...
When he said Shawn won it mentally then I realised this guy is smart 👌🏾
Merlin I don’t think being impressed with the mr o is being easily impressed is it really
I can tell how confident Rhoden was. I remember this simple thing where Rhoden was told to stand in the middle and then he basically moonwalked and did some type of funny walk to the middle and it stood out because Rhoden acted like he had won the whole show. In the other hand, Phil felt like an old guy out of touch and this is coming from a Phil Heath fan.
I totally agree with Brandon Curry's assessment of the 2018 contest
NOPE. Poses win contests not "mindset".
Heath beat Rhoden on every single mandatory pose except for Abs and Thighs.
Phill lost the mid-section battle. The judges signalled about mid-section in 2017. Phill did not imrpove it so he got dinged and lost.
Act1veSp1n shouldn’t have won 2017 either
I personally think he should’ve won 2010- present. Yes his midsection is pretty bad and I don’t like it but all these douchebags saying he doesn’t deserve to win also refer to Ronnie as the goat who had a worse midsection and in transitions was notoriously sloppy looking. Phil has 1 weak body part and has great conditioning. Besides ramy and bonac nobody is as complete as his and they’re just tied with him in that regard and ramy has conditioning and detail problems and bonacs abs aren’t good although he’s fixed the distention can’t fix the wide waist even though he can do a vacuum. Shawn has no calves, no triceps, deflated biceps, sub Olympia level forearms. Only place Shawn beats Phil is the midsection and depending on your tastes the quads and glutes but that’s just subjective they are equal just different shapes
Fehad Bilgrami Bonac should have won in 17. That was his best conditioning to date. Maybe 2018 Arnold May have been a tad better.
@@incarser101 ronnie was 3 times wider than him lol
@Vince Mcmahon haha ure funnh
Rhoden was in fantastic condition and is pretty damn good! Shawn has been top 6 for many years and put it all together!
To be honest I'm glad the Judges did not reward the blown out gut look. That look just needs to go away.
@E Double how was it disrespectful for years has been talking about but look who would win the guy guys. From NPC to ifbb. As soon as he lost his contract it was obvious.
Brandon is right here imo. Phil didnt mentally believe he could beat everybody on that stage including Sean and so he didnt. Phil did not even look too shocked that he lost if you watch the result of the Olympia that year. He mentally handed over the trophy without putting up the usual fight we see from him. He was ready to lose in a sense. And you can see it in his posing. I mean anybody who wants to win as bad as they want to breathe would not let it all hang out like phil did in those shots. Yes it is a physical game to most people but remember Arnold and those guys they wouldnt be seen looking weak or they just wouldnt compete.
Nope. .you misinformed. ..they basically told Phil he lost before the evening show
@@jldp24 his gut was still not controlled whether he knew or not that is not bodybuilding my friend and Sean with his strong core and mind had no doubt. I'm sure they didnt say to Sean hey you're going to win this year lol so I don't see your point.
@@BigKashGrab there was an interview with Phil...he already knew. Go find it. Jeez..why you even arguing
@@jldp24 bc I have a mind of my own man for Pete's sake you replied to me not the other way around right?
@@BigKashGrab but I told you what happened...stop arguing. You dumb..so don't trust your mind.lol
Right said Brandon
Rhoden deserved that title
He had an complete package
Of fullness dryness and insane conditioning hope we'll see both of them at 2020 olympia
Always appreciate brandon honesty
Dorian Yate is a prime example of someone that won based on mental strength and sub par physique
Ye in 97
Demetrius Jackson I’m tired of seeing this dumb ass “opinion” about Dorians Physique. He might not have had the most beautiful Physique, but in no fucking way did he have a “sub par” physique. You don’t get to the Olympia stage with shit genetics, let alone become Mr O
Politics not mental strength
@@hidayat50 what politics lol, i always laugh when i hear dorian and politics in the same sentence
why would the weiders ever favour dorian?he wasnt american, he wasnt marketable at all, not charismatic, not aesthetic, the guy didnt smile, didnt like to do photoshoots...he didnt train with the weider principles, on the contrary he was HIT/arthur jones man which were rivals f the weiders.
dorian won because he was the best, beat everybody and their mother in at least 4 of 7 compulsories, even in 97
TheLusianPopa hell yes, finally someone else who agrees with me, Dorian won on his mastery of displayment and his condition
Phil did not deserve to win. Personality and charisma will always be a factor to a certain degree
@Dominic dominic Wow you are an idiot
Phil brings package you like him or not roden was way downsized to win 2018
Personality? What is this contest for presidential candidates or bodybuilding contest ?
Just look at 1:24. It's not just the poses that count. It's also what happens between the poses.
Brandon just explained why he lost. If you can't pose, you can't win
Ask Paul Dillett
Lol
To me, this decision by the judges in 2018 is very controversial. In order to defeat the current Mr. Olympia, the challenger has to be clearly better than him. Yes, Shawn made an overall better impression than Phil. Nevertheless, if we look at them in detail, we see Phil's better conditioning, separation, and muscle size. I think Phil's performance in 2018 was one of the best in his career in terms of conditioning, fullness, and size. He had everything on him, except for his bulging belly. Phil only lost in the mid-section and that spoiled the overall impression. The judges punished Phil, not rewarded Shawn. And it was more like Phil's loss, not Shawn's win. It was Shawn's best package, but it was barely enough to beat Phil.
well you know nothing then
Real talk, Phil got screwed here.
Even Roelly beat phil that year
Go rewatch . Phil only from the back
Nothing else
Roelly should have been 2nd
Very good interview from Brandon Curry.
Streamer should watch this interview and finally understand that who won is not based on picture, but based on live. The best way to comparison is not by pic, and most of the time by scaled pictures, but by videos.
Rhoden has no triceps is bulls****. Yeah his triceps in Side Triceps really s****, but its because of his triceps shape. Ronnie Coleman suck at that pose as well, simply because of his shape, but you can see how big the guy tricep is when he hit FDB, there you can see the whole arm.
While i agree that Rhoden arms was a bit under the level that needs to be, he was aesthetic. Still in the previous years they were bigger and he need to bring them up.
But Phil arms overpowering the rest of his body and the looks is just terrible and not aesthetic at all.
Rhoden beats him in the legs, beat him in conditioning, in width, was looking more sharper and definitely more prepare to take the title.
Add to that that Phil was gifted 2 times for his GUT, and it was a obvious result. If they was given the title to Phil, even more people would stop watching this b.s. politics fixed crap Olympia has begin.
i didnt knew brandon is that much smart and educated person!
and you know now about his education because of this 3 minutes video?
So Phil is saying cause his triceps are smaller? Considering Phil has always been one of the smaller olympians then by his logic Roelly and Ramy should win every time, not to mention Phil’s stomach the last 3 years has been atrocious #ShawnWasBetter #GetOverIt #BeBetterNotBitter
Wonderful to hear from Brandon 🤩 No beating around the bush, just straight up this is my opinion based on… Awesome! Sean had the lines, conditioning and it wasn’t Phil (who I am a fan of) in great shape re his abdomen control emphasised by his laboured breathing = prep mistakes.
More Bodybuilding More Testosterone
More Man Power
Put Dorian Yates mind in Paul Dillet’s body. No one would ever beat that. A lot of it really is mental. Self belief, being able to push yourself, day-in day-out, visualise yourself winning. No one can beat you. Couple that mindset with the right genetic tools. Who can beat that?
Yeah Phil was obviously struggling. He look like he was struggling. He wasn’t comfortable or as confident. People notice this, and they see flaws. Especially when Phil was struggling with controlling his midsection.
Brandon is a smart guy. I’m rooting for him now.
Sir this is bodybuilding
Not Mma
Mental bullshit has no place here
The best body wins , that’s all
Dorian was a monster big and shredded, that’s why he won
Please don’t believe what those lies
Brandon is the man.
I can tell Phil knew he was going to lose like Brandon stated... I could tell he wasn't confident... I knew it was because he talked all that shit about his hernia an how he would be much improved. Problem is it wasn't improved in fact it was worse an Phil knew it!
I need a chest like that 🙌🏼🙌🏼
Then get off CZcams and go bench, you pussy punk bitch.
Hit the weights then
For championship chest!
ahh maaan just drop the whole fucking thing, ill watch it x10 promise
That's a very good point ,none thought
Brandon needs to talk more, hes a good talker but we don't see that a lot out of him
Well said.
Mental or not,if Phil had the mid section,he would have won..
I agree, he was with and without it.
how tf anyone will even get close if he had just controlled it better. At the end of day Phil heath was light years ahead every bb on that stage apart from midsection
Wise worda from brandon
He’s right.
As much as I hate heath he is most complete bodybuilder from 2010 to so on
That’s why Phil beat himself that year. No one beat him.
I think Phil is coming back for revenge in 2020. He’s focused. You can tell.
Doesn’t matter that was last year! Shawn’s done for, Phil’s close to some for! It’s Brandon’s time! That’s just the facts!
Hadi Choopan 😏
rhoden is best right now .. brandon close second
Gold
Roden get aesthetics back. Simple.
Interesting
'impossible to win without triceps' .......... bro, his triceps are the size of your head.
Legenda
Phil should've won.
We're intellectuals over here. LIKE
Curry should have won
Shawn is the most unimpressive mr o ever. Zero arms or chest. Phil smokes him at 60% even. Guess it’s on the day though
Thomas O'Brien Dickerson i would say it the least impressive
Austin Quezada yeah not a bad shout mate to be fair
Phil should have won
I am perfect
So physically phill won, mentally he did not. So really what you’re saying is Rodin sucks we already knew this
Is curry the most boring olympia champ🥱
Bammmm
"he wanted mentally" Are you kidding me? If you dissect each body part, Phil Heath wins in every single one of them. So are you telling me that "the gut" can win/lose a title? This is the most ignorant statement I have ever heard in Bodybuilding...
Yes Phil's gut was one of the reasons he lost.
Phil has the best back, no question. But this is why he lost.
Phil was laboring through his poses. Looked like he had run a Sprint after each pose.
He was shaking when posing also, it looked bad.
Lastly when they called for the abs pose and Shawn looked at Phil and was basically saying. I got you. Shawn's confidence was off the charts.
Shawn was more conditioned then Phil.
Shawn trasitioned smoothly from pose to pose.
He was never breathing heavy.
Shawn's legs matched Phil's.
No matter which part which body part is strong or weak winner needs to be complete and so was rhoden
He clearly dominated Phil because
Phil had gut and on other side rhoden's midsection was unbeatable
That made Phil's weakness more visible
Ezekiel Jarek Lol. You correct , but the judges thought otherwise!
Yes I agree Phil was out of it..did not really improved is mid section. But Rhoden is the least impressive Mr O I have ever seen .
Phil never raped anyone.
Without question RHODEN did NOT deserve that win.
Rhoden won one single pose over Heath which was abs & thighs.
Rhoden had the worst arms in the show, with a flat chest, & entirely fake shoulders.
Rhoden was the beginning of the end for the greatest that was mens open bodybuilding. Any top 10 man from the 1990s easily smokes anyone doing it today. Jusy embarrassing
Interview mrbeast
What a load of bs phil lost cuz they didnt like the bubble gut thats it
Those must be some good steroids he’s smoking. Dang!
Phil should have won. I’m not a fan. Nobody like the bubblegut bonanza but with zero history or favoritism and judging both physiques, only, (good to note- judges consider more criteria) I think Phil should have won.
Lmao if you bring normal people with their naked eyes they'll pick shawn cause the gut was too obvious.
You got a point. Brandon can call it what he wants, but he himself was buried in 5 th place or higher for years at the Mr O. Shawn was out of the top 5 in 2017, it's not as though SR got good with age, the guy is in his mid forties. Absolutely a midsection contest- Even Steve W when asked " Why did PH lose?".. said out flat " Midsection." Brandon, nice guy or not won the Mr O in a weak lineup. No way he defeats Phil.
I might add that if it’s based solely on mid-section then ya there’s lots of great guys. However Phil won on the majority of other criteria is what I’m getting at
@@utcougar
I totally agree. I have read where people were saying that the sport was " dying" because one guy was constantly winning the title- really? Where was that talk when Arnold, Haney,Yates or Ronnie were winning? Sure the midsection was terrible, but crowning a Mr O with missing body parts is nuts.
There is a video out there where Arnold is criticizing the bubble guts of BB's & both Rhoden & Currt were interviewed and heard these guys said somethng like " Well if they go the classic physique route, we got a shot" l know Rhoden said that.
@@merlin4398 Dorian won with torn and uneven body parts.
Everyone knew that they were judging guts and Phil didn't address his.
To me Shawn's legs, abs, and glutes looked better than Phil's. Posing also counts and Phil looked horrible. Gasping for air. Shaking on every pose. Bending over to get air. It looked bad.
Brandon talking shit he doesn't know what he was talking about . He want easy competitor to win Mr olympia.
Y'all acting like this is a sport its a pageant lol😅
Training only makes you an athlete, and competing against others makes it a competition. I think by definition all competitions that require skill are sports.
This man not even top 6. He is not in condition.