Fighter Pilots React to F-14 vs SU-57 Dogfight Scene TOP GUN MAVERICK | Mover Ruins Movies Pt 7/8
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Thanks for saying this. Hollywood is about drama, it's about excitement, it's about the 1% of the 1% of 1% of things that are possible. That's why procedural shows are for network television and blockbusters like Top Gun go on the big screen. Some of this stuff might be plausible, and could work under a specific set of circumstances. Is it likely? no. But if Hollywood made movies based on actual physics and laws of probability, movies like Top Gun wouldn't be anywhere near as entertaining. Also, protagonists wouldn't live anywhere near as long in the movies, and the movies would last about 15 minutes - basically 1 minute after all the characters are introduced.
Su35 vs f22 raptor win su35
😂
I suggest that you check out Macross Plus dogfights. Lots of content there for a pilot to analyze.
For Rooster shooting the flares thing, I think I might have a reasonable explanation. My bet is that it could have been like the one memory he has of his dad talking about his job in the Tomcat.
I know this scene is unbearably unrealistic but it's undeniable how fucking awesome it is. I keep coming back to watch it again and it doesn't get old
Same!
#metoo
im changing this comment becuase im getting tired of knowitalls disturbing my peace and quiet.
I came into the movie expecting Ace Combat style air combat, because - as cool as top gun is, it ain’t a documentary. That being said, I love the movie lol
@@moustrout1299 i mean USA alone literally Save the whole world from Aliens quite frequently. Compared to that everything is fairly realistic.
I’ve never understood why sound editors WOULDN’T use the amazing BRRRT that a rotary cannon produces, when it’s A/ more accurate, and B/ a pants-crappingly awesome sound.
You must be like me: loving on the A10 and its death machine- the GAU-8. so glorious that sound.
I adore the high-pitched VRRRRRRRRRRRRRPPPPP of the M61
Because it doesn't sound like the typical "machine gun" sound. It's too fast.
@@OnYourLeft That's a completely idiotic reason, but probably also correct. It's even dumber considering McTiernan used a (mostly) correct sound for Jesse Ventura's minigun in Predator, way back in the mid-1980's and every action fan loves that scene. Audience aren't as dumb as Hollywood seems to think.
@@madaxe606 - Sometimes directors make some terrible decisions. This is a good example.
I'm just happy to hear that splitting the throttles is an actual, real thing! Literally the coolest shot of the dogfighting scene.
yes it is, even in the Tomcat, it is stupidly dangerous though - flipping one side to idle would cause you to depart (and was shown to be contributory to Goose's death in the first movie), why he deliberately cut throttle on one side of his aircraft in this movie knowing what happened last time he applied asymmetric thrust in an F-14, is quite beyond me.
This scene is pure comedy.
Love to see top gun 3 with maverick rebuilding that f14 with upgrades having it dot next to his p51 mustang
@@BlokeOnAMotorbike To be fair, he didn't "apply asymmetric thrust" the last time, it more "happened against his will and without control" due to jet wash.
@@BlokeOnAMotorbikeja, you do crazy stuff when you're about to get killed I guess.
One thing I liked what the Top guy said about the maneuver (cobra or bell whatever it was) is that the shock sometimes gets you. Everything happens so fast in the air and when a pilot pulls an unexpected stunt it takes you by surprise literally. Its not as easy thinking about it when watching from a sofa!
I know I'm 11 months late to reply, but they're both piolets, it literally says in the video name😂
@@BloodlessRMZ So the Su-57 guy out-Mavericked Maverick. Which explains perfectly how he missed the chance to spray him dead when the jet was going almost with all its frame against the F-14. Maverick's reckless flight works because no one expects him to do what he does, and everyone else plays by the rules. The moment the fifth gen got him with his own technique, he was shocked
I like how even in the end they recognize that Maverick is a legend and an Ace since he has 5 air to air kills, 3 MIGs and 2 SUs. Also, funny how he hasn't taken down anyone in the F-18, all of his kills are in the F-14.
True he didn’t have confirm kills in the F18. He did however, eliminate all his students at Top Gun with F18. His streak would be technically be more then 5
@@xlsvtecx Practice runs don't exactly count otherwise I'm pretty sure Jester or Viper would've gotten ace status off of repetedly killimg mavrick at miramar.
@@xlsvtecx technically it wouldn't be more than 5 because they're not confirmed kills.
Thats cause the Tomcat rocks ;)
@@singletona082 ... I'm pretty sure that Viper, having flown jets and been involved in dogfights during the Vietnam War, would also be an actual Ace. As would Maverick's dad who flew with Viper on the mission that he died.
Not sure about Jester's military combat bio other than he'd risen to the rank of Lieutenant Commander and was apparently Viper's 2IC at TopGun.
Hangman has 2 confirmed kills (apparently) which actually puts him one more than Iceman who only got one in the 1986 dogfight.
The movie is cool, but the banter between you two air warriors is the best. Thanks for giving us the glimpse into a life most of us will never know.
They complete each other’s sentences
4:20 the answer we all wanted
@@baghdaddymike6669 and learn to take light humour Mikey. Cheers!!!
I don't really understand any of this, but you are dead on regarding the banter. Gonky and CW are clued in. What fun and educational too.
@@b7knuckles7 Not really..... They had subscribers regardless
Glad to see pilots talking about the movie. I was both a Plane Captain and a Parachute Rigger at a Super Hornet squadron and hearing pilot stories made my day.
Those job titles sounds so awesome if you don't know what they really do. 😂😂😂
@@xCoupDeGracex indeed!
Hell yeah PC!
@@BlackoutWS6 Line Rat. Hahaha
@@xCoupDeGracex yeah buddy, good ol wash days
This is like a MIG-21 beating two F-15's.
When these dudes start using their actual real dog fighting slang I hear; “Then I put the gabbleschnaggle into force mode and schlump wagged the power noog so I could pirouette into a void spin. Dude it was dope. LOL”
- stares in fascination -
lmfao
its cool bc i learned the dcs f18 which is literally a video game with the entire f18 systems and physics almost 1:1, and i understand it
The fact that I read that and understood all of it but not really deserves a like lol 😂
lmao
@@th1ng1296 I mean… I played Afterburner in the 80s.
This premiere post is like Christmas Eve for a 5 year old.
AND NOW A WEEK DELAY!!!😮
Metaphor holds. Time to throw a tantrum and wreck the house.
With whom at Paramount do we need to chat?
YAY!! like Christmas, well worth the wait.
How the hell did you post this 8 days before the video was posted- did they actually make a premiere 1 week long…
@@baghdaddymike6669 oh hell nah bruh
Great reactions. Loved hearing you gentlemen deconstruct these scenes.
Your guys rock explaining the scenes. I know it's a movie, but it had me hype watching the moves, but knowing your guys actually did fly jets and talking about it is much respect 💯. 444
“How does Rooster know the Flare button?”
Simple, he saw the post-it note on the button that said “These are flares. Keep that in mind to progress the action.”
Either that or he can read Iranian
Lmfao underrated comment
I think Maverick told Rooster while evading the first missile
Well like I said in another comment before Maverick pulled Roosters papers he was probably in his life alot as he grew up and probably learned alot from Maverick teaching him things.
Rooster just loves flying the F-14 in DCS back on base
Yes! Mover noticed it too!
The framing of the Tomcat sidewinder launch being framed almost identically to the original movie’s live firing exercise filming was one of the little things that showed how much the filmmakers cared.
For real. It only clicked for me I think on my third viewing of the film. What a lovely Easter egg ^_^
then you have awful things like m61 not sounding beefy at 12rps (doesn't need to be a brrrrt since you can use gatling guns in any config below their maximum rate of fire, and the tomcat trying to dogfight with the wings on delta, losing all the speed.
The bad guys helmets also had the same red star from the first movie too on the sides. must be the same country
@@robashley8216 not a star
5:19 also Mav uses a similar move as he did in the first movie, "I'll hit the brakes, he'll fly right by"
Using the other jet felt like the most insane thing you could do as a figher pilot when I saw this, nice to see that confirmed by actual fighter pilots.
Thanks for this quality content.This really tells us how movies differ from the reality
Maverick doesn't get enough credit for single handedly destroying 40% of the SU-57 fleet.
Well it's a fictional character with plot armor so..
Wait, there's more? 🤣
Продолжайте думать, что су 57 мало единиц. Вы должны недооценивать Россию.
@@Alex-xb6ku XD
@@Alex-xb6ku Will do cause you guys dont even have air superiority in Ukraine 😂😂😂 Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦.
They used an actual F-14 museum Tomcat to film the ground scenes & some of the cockpit shots; this may explain why the wings aren’t necessarily in the right position in certain scenes.
Dogfight Tomcat is CGI I thinkk.. one on ship is museum piece
@@billyp9288 the only things they need cgi is the su57 since American dont own this plane
In the aerial scenes it was a CGI F-14 digitally overlayed onto an F-18, like the Darkstar. It's pretty impressive how realistic the CGI F-14 looked. You could have sworn it was a real Tomcat.
@@tsepheletseka5115 Yes, and you can say the same thing about all the other airplanes, because they're all CG at some point.
@@thanhlongnguyen212 they used an F22 I heard.
I gotta say - LOVE this movie to bits and I've rewatched it at least a dozen times since it came out and I've watched countless videos of people praising it, but it feels really refreshing to finally see someone(who is actually qualified) pointing out some of its flaws.
After the sidewinder shot Mavrick didnt maintain the closure so he could look at the Su doing it flips. And the canopy on the SU is wrong. The filmmakers should watch some of Growling Sidewinder vids to know how frustrating a fight against su-57 can be.
the F-14 vs Su-57 dogfight was pretty unrealistic. But I found that unrealistic aspect to be incredibly entertaining and funny. There were many moments where I thought to myself, "And...you're dead (laughs)" or "the plot armor is strong with this one" (laughs). Man I love this film.
By the time we the viewers get to this point, we are excited for anything and just happy to see Maverick in an F-14.
i mean top gun never said that its a realistic style movie. Also if they would go for realistic style the movie would be propabbly boring.
nobody including pilots in this video except rus know what su-57 can do, or can not do, see how weak the T-90 is, and su-57 not dare to across the rus border to attack ukraine, plus the infamous flag ship of black sea fleet the Moscow sink by only 2 missiles. actually i dont think su-57 is on par with 5 gen fighter of usa, probably just a brag like T-90 and Moscow. To me it probably just a weaker version of 4gen Su-35 when dogfighting
@@t.gchannel4067 If you are implying that an SU 57 would lose to a Tomcat you are out of your mind.... But yes I agree that the SU-57 is more of a 4.5 gen fighter... they are not up to par to their US counteirparts
I think you meant pilot armor! ta da chiiiiissss
I'll let myself out, sorry...
Mover, nobody ruins a movie quite like you do. Keep it up. This is so much fun.
Com' on , even a 10yo boy know SU57 can blow the F14 within 1 min
@@Yo12327 Yeah no shit.
@@Yo12327 10 year old boys only know video games though.
They were spot on with the sound of the guns though lol. Those weapons fire so quickly that it sounds like fabric ripping apart. But a majority of people have never heard that so it would have seemed fake to them. Except I didn't even notice the guns wrong bc this whole scene was badass.
@@Yo12327and anyone with a brain knows it’s a movie
Love your videos Mover. Really enjoy your perspective on things.
These guys are hysterical! They’re saying all the things I said when I was watching it. But it’s still an awesome flick. I’m surprised they didn’t say anything about how excited the pilots sound. If you ever listen to American Air Force pilots when they’re talking in combat, they don’t sound like that. They are calm, cool, and collected even as their adrenaline is surging. They are in control every moment right up until the moment their plane is destroyed.
Except their planes don't get destroyed, they destroy the others
I thought only rooster sounded excited (given it's his first actual dogfight), Maverick was actually as cool as a cucumber
@@jonnyblayze5149 The US hasn't fought well trained pilots or comparable aircraft since Vietnam.
очень интересно где это американцы воевали в воздушных боях,только в фильмах и играх?
You don't know shit.
I love it when real fighter pilot put their info in things like this. My favorite scene in Top Gun Maverick. Period.
From an aviation nerd perspective, a lot of actions are kinda cringe. *BUT* I’d be lying if this scene wasn’t entertaining as fuck and I wasn’t grinning like a kid during the last 15 minutes.
@@SawdEndymon but I prefer is SU-57 giving more challenge to maverick.
@@boboboy8189 hey 6 minutes of challenge is more than most villains get against main characters ok???
i've seen so many "internet know-it-alls" talk about splitting the throttle being a fake strategy. thank you for mentioning that its actually done, and also for mentioning the real problem with that scene being that the wings were not out.
Who are these internet know-it-alls you speak of
You think people can't do research ?
@@secretname4190 Well I don't assume I know EVERYTHING,
But nice try
@@secretname4190 To you maybe
he wouldn't have needed to split the throttle, if what I've heard is correct, doing something like that would put you in great jeopardy of compressor stall, which for obvious reasons would completely fuck you in a dogfight, but the split throttle thing is far from the most egregious thing in this movie, all the times mav went vertical he should have died, you don't go vertical against an SU-57 that can pull it's nose on you at any time it wants, one strafe would have ended it.
And when the SU-57 did that flatspin maneuver, he should have been the easiest target to hit in the world, mav also just watched him go right past him like an idiot, he didn't try to maneuver pre-emptively or anything, he just flew in a straight line....same can be said about mav's cobra maneuver, he was blind for the few seconds his canopy was ontop of the 57, the 57 could have very easily broken off and Mav's radar would not have been able to pick him up and the 57 could have pulled ontop of him and killed him very easily.
the director didn't put a whole lot of effort into making the fight remotely believable if fighter nerds can pick it apart so easily, if Mav is supposed to be this godly pilot, he makes a lot of dumb decisions, but the SU-57 is even dumber.
@@secretname4190 evenso, the mainstream audience would have loved the vulcan's gun, that you can't deny, and that is something they missed out on big time, I just can't fathom how they'd overlook that at the very least, the gun sound they used is the most generic machine gun sound in the world.
@4:20 The terrain will confuse the targeting system.. I found that part to be pretty silly.. okay, you go fly down in the ravine pushing close to supersonic speeds, I'll fly my su-57 straight and level up here and take you out with missiles if you don't crash into the terrain first..
and thank you for noting the wing position of the tomcat, that was a huge peeve of mine in Maverick..
A detail that I really liked that a lot of people missed is when the F-14 slows down and up and overs on the SU at 5:30, the wings from the cockpit view actually bend upwards as they point the nose down. Just something small and insignificant that I still like to see.
odd they included that but gave the f14's 20mm vulcan the worst most generic machine gun sound possible
@@yesyes-om1po I’m really hoping someone releases a sound edit and maybe even small vfx edits
@@mk6315 someone did..and its awesome epic
@@yesyes-om1poThe sound editors probably didn’t have a real sample in their sound bank.
A WHOLE WEEK MORE? I'M DYING OF IMPATIENCE HERE
There's a video here on youtube called something like "If Top Gun Maverick had better gun sounds" and it's just so much more of an epic experience. Not only does it actually sound realistic, it's insanely powerful, would shake the theater to bits and it gives me goosebumps hearing it. Really wish they would have done better with the sound in this movie.
Let's ve honest it was a beautiful tribute to the f14 very ubrealistic but. I'm a long island guy. That's our pride and joy. I wish they built the 5th generation f14
Love that you guys finally found one that was entertaining enough to avoid the nitpicking. I obviously don't mind it or I wouldn't be coming back over and over, but I really loved the movie so it's nice to hear positives from somebody who knows it from a professional aspect even though it's obviously going to be far from perfect.
Bet it ain’t positive coz the movie is the definition of unrealism
@@user-gr9br2js4u Yeah but it’s like they said, I movie should be fun and entertaining. A realistic dog fight in our days it nether fun not entertaining. It’s firing a missle from 50 miles away.
@@user-gr9br2js4u drink your haterade this morning?
I wasn't a fan of the early, realistic shredding debrief / review because the movie was so good relative to what it could've been - especially concepts from 10 yrs ago - UAVs vs jets (💩🔥). Plus the nostalgia was off the charts.
But after seeing it 5 times, I very much appreciate the nitpicking. I like hearing from real "stick jockeys" how it would be (or not) in the real world. And yes, the movie could've been even better, but that's not to say it wasn't good enough.
@@user-gr9br2js4u Yeah bro it prolly would be hella fun if they just engaged from 100 miles away without basically seeing anything
For going up against Tom Cruise, they made the enemy pilot be equal in competency. The manouvers were not realistic in combat, but showed off the capability of both aircraft.
Not equal,more like inexperience with SU-57. 5th gen doesn't even need to chase if he keep spamming missiles. It's not like F-14 has plenty flares either
@@boboboy8189 honestly how could he have experience with SU-57 when Russia can't even build this aircraft 😂 To me SU-57 even existing apart from test/training units is the most unrealistic thing about this movie
Not in the slightest. Even the testbed SU-57's would have immediately eaten the F-14 for lunch. Period. In every category.
@@shade9272 except speed. Also, don’t overestimate a low budget plane
@@terskataneli6457 meanwhile AMERICA build 200 F22 and cant even use it anywhere 🤣🤣🤣 joke
"Face full of jet"....PRICELESS!
Always great to hear the opinion of knowledgeable, experienced professionals! RESPECT to our American chums from across the pond in Britain!
"It'S nOt ThE pLaNe, It'S tHe PiLoT" I love using that quote and adapt it in different situations like car, driver, gun, shooter, etc.
"It isn't the umbrella, it's the rain"
@@RecklessFables umbrella, holder, but yeah you get the idea
It's also not really always true. A great driver in a yugo will not beat a mediocre driver in a ferrari. And that F14 vs Felon fight had some - .... hollywood shit added to it.
“It’s not the spreadsheet …. It’s the data analyst.”
“It’s not the toaster, it’s the pop tart”
Thanks for not making fun of the sequence too much. Yeah, its unrealistic but its meant for entertainment and as far as that goes, it was off the chart good.
Это тошнотворная чушь.
Су-57 и половины мощи не показал.
И на секундочку почему у су-57 наведение барахлит в рельефе, а у ф-14 нет?... Ой, забыли! Таких ляпов ещё поискать.
Well….. even though the wings fully swept mitigates drag, it can be used to decrease the amount of AoA pulled an medium speeds and therefore make the tomcat behave more calmly and more like an F-16 in which it trades AoA for Rate around times. The tomcat is still quite manoeuverable with the wings swept back, surprisingly.
3:13 I was curious about that too, I'm glad you cleared it up for me.
You’re forgetting the most important player in the fight scene: the hidden growler preventing every other plane’s electronics from working well to provide a fair action fight for an early 4th gen against a 5th.
That Tomcat would have been an A model (that’s the only version that was ever sold to a foreign nation) and it is much closer to a 3rd gen with the old analog AWG-9 radar. The F-14D was a true 4th gen with the digital AN/APG-71. Cool scene any way you look at it.
@@cascadesouthernmodeltrains7547stop acting like you know s#it. You don't know what irans military did in a sense of upgrades. Just shut the phuk up
One of the great things about this movie coming out is hearing actual fighter pilots talk shop. After weeks of watching Mover and others talk about this movie I finally watched it, and I have to say both the movie and the commentary has been an enjoyable experience. Thank you!
I love how the pros can look at this and just dissect it apart.
I love this. When I was on the Carl Vinson I got to interact with the pilots in the LSO platform for the arresting gear wires. My last pac, after they took the 14s off, we were introduced to the F-18 E/F Super Hornet in 97’ While doing night Ops, one of the pilots allowed me to use the newest night vision goggles pilots had. Pretty awesome to see what they see in-air. However, when he told me how much they cost, I handed them right back. My 75 on the ASVAB was. It going too allow me to become a pilot, (lol) however, I got to be around amazing aircraft for a minute. Favorite thing while running hooks, was going under the 14s afterburners as they were taxing back to be chocked. Thank you sirs for doing this.
No way you saw a super hornet in 97
@@dewizle5026 my man, the Super Hornet started making its first carrier landings Jan 18, 1997. My ship the Carl Vinson on its 97' cruise was its first West Pac test. So, i actually did. Maybe do your research before trying to imply i was lying.
@@dewizle5026 furthermore, the Super Hornet program started in 1992. Just a little more information for ya whizzle
@@dewizle5026 1999 is when the Navy put it into full service. Funny you think thats when the Super hornet was i introduced? Lmao. Nice try though.
In Maverick's defense, he's a weapons school grad/instructor on the Tomcat and has been training continuously against highly skilled pilots for the past 3 weeks, whereas his opponent probably flies once a month at best based on the presumed locale
He hasn’t flown the Tomcat in 20 years or more though.
@@CWLemoine but he’s Maverick
@@braydenseims905 good point.
@@CWLemoine maverick ejected at mach 10 with a classified skunk works jet and went straight to a diner cause he was thirsty..he could easily fly a tomcat..he could do anything
That's like saying "in his defense, he's a Roman legionaire who trains daily with his armor and spear. Meanwhile the bad guys are probably lucky to drive their Abrams tank once a month."
Just noticed this, but when Mav switches to goes from Sidewinder to Guns, the weapons selector on the stick is on SP/PH which is Sparrow and Phoenix instead of SW for Sidewinder.
yeah..kinda like in old Top Gun every time they fired they switched to the SP/PH position indepently of what launched in the next shot (sometimes a sidewinder others a Sparrow)
I guess the label tape fell off of it.
Thanks for giving us the glimpse into a life most of us will never imagine. Rightly said.
GOD BLESS THESE TWO PILOTS!!!!!!! TELLING IT LIKE IT REALLY IS❤️
Thank you for your service boys. Absolutely love watching your videos. The detail and knowledge you bring to the table is great.
Splitting throttles. Compressor faliure. Spinning oit to sea. God damnit maverick!
Killed ANOTHER Bradshaw
Haha that commentary was so entertaining! Loved it!
Thank you for your service guys
'When you've got that much jet, Mav, shoot it...'
THANK YOU! I was nearly yelling that when I saw that big, juicy cross section just sitting in front of Mr. Cruise.
We don't think we can ever watch this movie the same again - you made it so freaking enjoyable. Seen it 15 times.. Thanks for the blow by blow and freaking awesome jokes.
And we blame you both for making us watch the film again - on our Saturday morning. What a great film, regardless of the flaws us non-pilots didn't realize. Thanks Mover and Gonky..
This Made me miss being in navy I was a pc and mec for f18 a+ vfa 87 great hear some pilot talk was my favorite
You could tell just by the way the Connie shook when a Tomcat was about to catapult off the bow, they were so loud and the whole ship groaned.
F-14's wings are usually controlled by the computer (based on the current altitude and the airspeed) automatically and it is already available since the F-14A. So when Maverick splits the throttle, it is possible that the computer decides the wing should probably stay swept back.
Also, there is another possible explanation: Some experienced F-14 pilots would typically use ground-attack mode to lock the wing at 45 degrees during the BVM, to prevent leaking the current energy level to the opponent.
the problem is the wings were in auto so the wings being back means he is going really fast (600ish) and at that speed the split throttles thing wouldnt work much save for making you roll.. the maneover as seen would need to be done much slower so the wings would be out
Well said. Somebody with Tomcat knowledge.
Yeah, but IIRC, the A didn't have a ground attack mode. I believe that came with the B. I'm not a pilot, but I believe Ward Caroll mentioned it and I'm very sure it was the late, great, "Snort" Snodgrass that spearheaded the effort to convert it
A is for Air to Air and B is for Air to Ground, just like F-35A B and C.
@@taskforce0584 The F35 versions denote which military branch they are used by
I love that these guys know it's "Hollywood", but still make it sound legit. Nice to see the banter between them.
C.W. Lemoine, thank you for debrief of this scene from Top Gun! I'm Russian and for me it was quite strange to see how Maverick succeeded with 2 kills against 5th gen.fighters, but your (and your colleague's) comments are explaining the details which must help in everyone's opinion regarding this movie :) I watched the movie too, and I liked it but sometines its clearly "mere Holywood" :) Thanks again and best regards!
🇸🇰🤝🇷🇺 ......... Z ✌
welcome to hollywood comedy- club there is nothing strange , mavercick can single handly destroy whole russian air force with the f14
I always figured rooster knew at least most of the tomcat because it was the plane his dad served and died in. Learning about it mightve made him feel like he was sharing something with his dad.
Interesting to hear Gonky talk about using assymetrical thrust in combat in the Hornet.. I used to think that due to the position of both engines (really close to each other), using assymetrical thrust probably didn't have any significant impact on F/A-18's behavior; but apparently it does
It shouldn't matter too much; maybe not as dramatic as it would be in the Tomcat; but it should do something.
@@fightingfalconfan It's for that exact reason flat spin did happen to Tomcats. (apparently). I'm no pilot, just what I heard.
@@fightingfalconfan I mean its physics. The larger lever you have (the more spaced out the engines are), the asymmetric thrust rapidly increases its effectiveness.
I flew the F-15E for 18 of my 32 years in the USAF and when flying CAS you'd better know how to split the throttles because radical maneuvers simply HAVE to be made from time to time. I sure as hell was NOT going to lose the first Eagle EVER in combat. You'd be shocked at how significant the effect is. The -E has two big, powerful engines attached to a relatively large aircraft and even a 15% variance in thrust combined with proper control input can make that bird move directions that you wouldn't think possible. 🙂
@@itsjustme8947 first off; thanks for your service. As for the movie. I honestly didn't think it could happen to that extent. Not like vectored thrust.
Waited for this video all week and once again Mover and Gonky never disappoints
just amazing to see this all reaction videos with all detail information. watched on repeat. amazing.
Watched it yesterday. Didn’t stop grinning. Beautifully, silly , honestly entertaining.
1:35 to answer your question about why is the pilot banking. It's a creative choice so that the same shot isn't reused twice. It just adds variety to the sequence to have him bank and fire, rather than go back to the initial firing when plane was parallel to the ground.
These have been fun to watch. Thank you gentlemen.
Очень интересно послушать комментарии профессионалов. Я тоже военный пилот в прошлом, но штурмовик. Конечно это далеко от реального воздушного боя. Но современный реальный воздушный бой совершенно не зрелищный. Это просто качественное кино Конечно можно было сделать по другому, но всё равно спасибо за фильм. Не нужно разочаровывать зрителя профессиональными подробностями.
Моё почтение и пожелание здоровья всем военным пилотам.
Вы летали на СУ-25?
Ahhhh, Su-25 Frogfoot the OLD RUSSIAN BRRRRRT
Thank you, finally some russian bro understand that this is a “movie” its for entertaining purposes. Thank you bro thank you for not hating the SUs got destroyed by the tomcat.
I guess some people, like these two, forget that it's a film for entertainment. It's not a documentary.
@ yan ivanov 2 months ago (edited)
translation "It is very interesting to listen to the comments of professionals. I am also a military pilot in the past, but an attack aircraft. Of course, this is far from real air combat. But modern real air combat is not at all spectacular. It's just a quality movie. Of course, it could have been done differently, but thanks anyway for the film. No need to disappoint the viewer with professional details.
My respect and wish of health to all military pilots."
dude, as a combat pilot yourself from the other side of this movie coin, you should talk to C.W. on these types of movies. i would definitely be amused what you would have to say about clint eastwoods ' fire fox ' movie :
чувак, как боевой летчик с другой стороны этой киномедали, тебе следует поговорить с C.W. об этих типах фильмов. Я определенно был бы удивлен, что бы вы сказали о фильме Клинта Иствуда «Огненный лис»
what blew my mind was that the "vaulting out of the way of the missile" scene wasn't unrealistic bc of the vault, but because missile lock wouldn't be that easily disrupted. SU-57S CAN ACTUALLY VAULT LIKE THAT IN MID-FLIGHT?!!?! 🤯
It doesn't matter if the plane could do that. Once you're locked on, you are locked on and there's no way to shake it. In real life, all the SU-57 pilot did was slowed his plane down and made it easier for the missile to get him
@@Excalibur01wrong
@@jonnyblayze5149but he’s not tho
@@jonnyblayze5149he’s right my g, the missile doesn’t care.
Yeah they can do that, it’s called the Kvochur’s Bell manoeuvre
You're right about the sound of the guns. I was enlisted in the Navy for 20 years and the last system I worked on was the Phalanx CIWS. We had the hydraulic system (USS Nimitz 1995 through 2000) and it only fired 3,000 RPM from the M61A1 gun and it didn't sound anything like that. The pneumatic systems installed on other ships fired 4,500 RPM and I heard the same gun on the F14 shot 6,000 RPM. I don't know what you hear inside the cockpit, but I do know that when we did a PAC fire (100 round burst x 2 from each mount) from the CIWS, it was loud. Too bad they didn't have a technical expert help them with the movie.
I remember watching Top Gun with my Navy dad & all his Navy friends when it first came out on VHS & they were literally picking apart the movie as it played, just like you two are doing in this video lol! I remember them saying that “bogey” wasn’t the correct terminology for an enemy plane, that a captain wouldn’t be smoking a cigar, etc etc etc lol. My father served on the USS Kitty Hawk & he was a C2 Hawkeye crew member during Vietnam 🇺🇸
I believe "Bogey" refers to an unidentified aircraft, and a hostile aircraft is "Bandit". I watch alot of Ward Carroll, so I like to pretend that I know what I'm talking about
I believe you meant E2 Hawkeye. The C2 Greyhound is the cargo version, that has the dish and electronics removed.
@@99bimmer bogey is unidentified, bandit is a confirmed enemy aircraft that's not shooting. take into account the scene where the SU-57 gets into position to shoot maverick but doesn't do it as an example. and a hostile is a bandit that has fired guns, etc at you.
Yes, well it is a movie, and it is awesome - even if not always "accurate" it still kicks - six ways from Sunday!
Thank you so much for this!!! This is EXACTLY what I was looking for in regards to real-time commentary on the tactics and maneuvers in this scene.
Well done, gentlemen!
Are you a Russian spy? I'm onto you!!!!
@@alphakennyone8 I'm Russian and I'm watching you. 8D
Oh wow, this was funny!
You guys should do this "Mover Ruins Movies" series more often!
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In my lifetime I've known 4 fighter pilots, none were brash or sent any signals that they were anyone special. Of all the people in Top Gun 2 that most resembled the guys I've known were Bob and Phoenix, all were incredibly dedicated highly skilled men, none bragged or set themselves apart. All of the four were exceedingly intelligent people. If anything my gut said that each them felt like there was more to know. Just like Mover and Gonky.
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The engine spacing on the 15 and 18 is probably why it takes such a large power split on those jets. The F-14’s widely spaced engines give it a lot more authority in that regard. You’d likely only need to take off one or two stages of burner on one side, and the put them right back quick, fast, and in a hurry to avoid going breakdancing right out of the sky.
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@@user-qn3xu5ee3t Potentially,
if, instead of merely splitting your throttles, you tear them completely asunder like Maverick did.
@@user-qn3xu5ee3t Um... nope.
@@jonnyj. Actually, he’s most likely right, for a couple reasons. First, the TF30 was a highly unreliable engine, and was highly sensitive to rapid throttle movements like you see Maverick make. He’d likely have coughed both engines instantly by smacking the throttles around like that.
Secondly, the TF30 was highly intolerant of disturbed airflow due to high angles of attack and side slip, so again Mav likely would’ve coughed his engines. The Tomcat’s gigantic straight intakes were supposed to fix that, but they didn’t.
However, assuming the engines survived Mav’s ham-fisted throttle movements, the engine in Zone 5 would’ve had a marginally better chance of staying lit than the idling engine, but that leads into point 3, which is that because of the very wide spacing of the engines, the huge thrust asymmetry caused by such a large throttle split would’ve put the Tomcat into an unrecoverable flat spin, possibly aggravated by one or two dead motors.
I would think that the worst split you would dare in the Turkey would be Max AB/Mil power, for no more than a second.
This is the one I was looking for 🔥
This video is awesome and so is the one where they comment on Maverick and Rooster stealing the F14 out of the hanger and how Rooster magically knew how to do everything on an old fighter jet he had never been trained on before. That was a good video.
When I first saw the film in the theater, one of my 1st reactions to this scene was "why aren't the wings in Auto???"
For me the most unrealistic part was when Maveric, a Darkstar test pilot was somewhat surprised and shocked by 5th gen fighter's manuvers, I mean a Skunkworks test pilot for sure had his hands on F-22 right? Or at least know what these planes can do? I think it would be more entertaining if Rooster have freaked out and Mav just blasted that SU-57 out of the sky cool as a cucumber
Huh? The most unrealistic😂 not in this movie!
It's not about that maneuver. It's about the application of that maneuver in that situation. It's also really a Show of Force moment for the 5th-gen fighter pilot, but it may also have revealed this pilot as a inexperienced overconfident and hotheaded young gun in Maverick's view. And Maverick immediately decided to drop the fight and run, which proved to be a working trick.
@kshamwhizzle it's not super technologically advance because they use outdated SAM. Russia has S-400 which can beat all the aircraft even with flares
@@ruiliu4157 that's the plot armour, they make enemy as incompetent but forgot about plot armor is still strong. Why the third SU-57 didn't detect hangman shooting missile at him? Why SU-57 friendly fire can beat another SU-57 but not F-14?
What I will do is hangman came to fight SU-57 which is more realistic
@@boboboy8189 There are too many possibilities why the last Su-57 got splashed by Hangman. Most planes got shot down in battle without awareness at all, which is reality, not plot armor. Not sure why near-extinct Su-57 has so many diehard followers. I think the Su-57 has too much propaganda armor instead.
Tomcat guys tried splitting throttles but results too sluggish and unpredictable (even with F110s).
Much better to pull the AUX flap & MCB C/Bs pre-merge, park the throttles in Zone5, bleed down to ~250ish KIAS and drop the flap lever, slightly overspeeding the landing (main) flaps. Also, turn off Engine Bleed Air to the ECS (“Zone 6”) once you know the wings are forward at 20deg. Limit your Nz to 2g while the flaps are traveling. Once the RIO confirms main flaps safely down, you are CONFIGURED -pitch rate around like an afterburning Cessna at 4g & 120- 200knots. Sadly you’re committed to an aggressive position fight, and maybe a flaps down bingo followed by a trip to to the CO’s office. Also, bugging was complicated by the flaps coming up slowly, and had to get the air ECS back on before the wings programmed aft or you’d risk tearing an airbag.
We may or may not have fought that way all the time in my old squadron.
Even more fun to “CONFIGURE” (yes, there was a HUD tape Comm brevity code for this) in a B or D but then you had to worry about the jet ratting you out - unless your RIO pulled the FEMS CB (B) or Mission Data Recorder CB (D).
Flat scissors in a B or D CONFIGURED was level to uphill at 110knots at 15K
Good stuff!
I have no clue what the fuck you just said and I still liked it!
Me either but thank you for sharing and thank you for your service
I didn't understand most either but it reminded me of my dream job of being a fighter pilot. Sucks my stomach can't handle even small rollercoasters 😐
I absolutely loved this commentary.
Sukhoi is the only reason I wish I were a pilot. The closests point to be a pilot of mine is the time I play Ace Combat 7 and all Sukhois are a pain in the ass in that game!
This was great! Love hearing from actual pilots. Still love this movie though, they filmed it so well. I remember almost yelling "oh shit!" in the theater during the dogfights
The wrong gun sound for rotaries is really odd. The actual sound I find is really intimidating, but it's still really common in hollywood. Although maybe it only sounds scary to me because I know what it means.
Also I like to think with the targeting sensors bit that thanks to budget cuts, they didn't have AESA radars in these but put in the next best thing they had to hand. Y'know, a set from a Fishbed that's been rotting in a junkyard for the last forty years.
Genuinely this series has been a blast, cheers for putting it on!
They could have at least used a minigun
it sounds less cool than even the original TopGun
I'm guessing the sound effects guys picked that low cyclic rate gunfire because they thought the audience would understand it better.
However, in my opinion, that was still a mistake of a decision, because the "BRRRRRRRRRT" of 4000-6000rpm electrically-powered rotary cannons has already long since entered public consciousness due to all the videos of the A-10 firing the GAU-8.
Basically, nowadays even the common person would realize what the real sound means: REALLY FAST rate of fire.
@@cykeok3525 I think Final Countdown is the only movie that shows the correct sound of the M61
Best part really was Mav using the first downed SU as a flare, friggin amazing!
This is amazing either way
I want Mover as a consultant on every Hollywood style movie involving fighter jets henceforth. He and Gonky nailed the criticism for the gunfire sounds on the internal gun equipped on fighters, it's an Eye roll for me every time I hear directors get it wrong. The only movie I've ever heard them get the Vulcan cannon sound right was The Final Countdown, with the Tomcat vs Zeroes dogfight.
Was thinking the same thing. In TFC, all you heard.., was ZMMMMMM..!! - Splash 2 - Repeat.. Splash TWO......! ;)
@@GaGe56Me I always laugh at how ignorant they are with firearms. They do safety and hammer sounds with a glock all the time and pump shotguns can be pumped every time they point it. lol Unlimited ammo in a magazine or cylinder is a must too.
I have to wait how many days?? Come on Mover, I need to see the rest of this series NOW!!!
mover saying how does rooster know how to put flares out was my exact thoughts too!
0:06 it actually is the Jet but it’s also the Weight of the aircraft, The avionics, The maneuverability, and the speed of the Jet.
Grew up in the 80's and 90's. I reject reality and insert my own! I stand by the fact that the Tomcat will win every time! LoL
As I said in an earlier video, the sound of the flares/chaff deploying in this movie sounds like a faster rate of fire than the guns.
Small thing I just noticed too: at 6:08, the setting is on SP/PH (Sparrow/Phoenix) even though Mav was just firing Sidewinders (should've been set to SW)
One scene not shown is the take off of the F-14 from the enemy strip. Rooster had no idea (he should know) why Mav swept the wings out for take off and Mav acted like it was something special. Anybody who has any knowledge of the F-14 know sweeping the wings out on take off is normal procedure!
This is a multi-video series. Check out the video before this one.
I wish I could access this level of knowledge to add to the space shooter game I have in my head. Like it or not, atmospheric dogfighting had a huge impact on the genre I fell in love with.
5:16 “And you’re dead.”
For those who don’t know, ammunition for the gun isn’t just your normal metal bullet. It is actually an explosive round meant to shred the air frame and any internal workings upon impact. (Can’t remember if it is soft-tipped or not so not gonna make that claim). So a few rounds hitting center would most likely be a kill.
Yup 1 hit from a 30mm cannon creates a 2 feet gaping hole.
So he's definitely dead.
"ok, you need the wings out!" hahaha
How dope was that off camera debrief where Mav and Rooster got to describe this entire sequence of events to the higher ups lol?
Great reaction. I like the fact that both you guys pointed out where things were unrealistic yet didn't shoot down an epic movie. Just two experienced guys saying, "yeah no way, but that was so cool". Couldn't do it any better really.
Missiles were set to Sparrow/Phoenix instead of Sidewinder when he flipped the switch @ 6:08.
What a privilege listening to you guys. CZcams gives us such amazing access to experts we'd never have the chance to meet.