The Rise of Skywalker - Spoiler Show!
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- čas přidán 27. 12. 2019
- Kevin and Marc share their thoughts on Rise of Skywalker, then invite the Fatman Beyond audience to share their opinions. Love the movie or hate the movie this show has something for everyone.
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‘Kylo Ren showed up in a sweater he got at the gap’ LOL
True he was stomping around like a dude in desperate need of a good fuck his balls were like water Mellons
Yeh he literally looked like a model at the end when he takes his gear off and his hair is flowing out and just that sweater haha.
Gap 'Star Wars' wear. I'm ordering on Amazon....
@@chris681975 Im fucking dead at this comment 🤣🤣
21:15 they get into Star Wars (slowly. . . 25:07 to dive in)
Thanks.
Thanks Mate 👍
Tyvm
This guy.
thankyou
Mark is the RT Scores, and Kevin always the fan score on RT.
It's almost like these are scripted lul
Not for Batman V Superman
TheFrogWhoLaughs Lol only someone with no social skills would think this is scripted
Finally... thank you guys for some much needed healthy, balanced and entertaining discussions on Star Wars. This cleans my soul.
Episode 1 and episode 9 should switch titles.
Mate of mine made very a compelling argument why the titles of the Return of the Jedi and the Last Jedi should be switched.
Except palpating is revealed in the opening crawl, so there’s no phantom. And he isn’t menacing in this one.
@@TheREALTiPPiDa I never thought of that, but it actually makes sense, for obvious reasons.
@@barbarjinx3802 "THE DEAD SPEAK". Dead i.e. ghost i.e. phantom.
Plus he's rather phantom-like in appearance.
@Tim Jacuzzi lol I have nothing but respect for her( I mean, look at her freaking resume!) But it's time for a new creative voice bts. Just imagine what a Feige and Filoni helmed Star Wars would look like...🤤
Anakin totally brought balance to the force. Before Anakin there were like a thousand jedi, and 2 sith. After Anakin, there were 2 jedi, and 2 sith. Balance.
That's always been my interpretation/analysis
Yeah... the story of Rey and Ben is the result of what Anakin did. Is that balance into effect. A consequence.
Let's see... we had Sidious, Vader on one side... + like 7 or 8 inquisitors... then Yoda, Obi, Kanan, Ahsoka, Ezra... so i don't know if there's balance... Luke and Leia and "The Child" are still not Jedis in ANH so let's not count them in... oh and then we have the guy from Fallen Order, so as much as i like that thought, i don't know if it works now with this new canon...
Even after the OT, you had Luke and Leia, Palpatine and Snoke
@imnotmike "Balance to the force", means a clean slate by George Lucas definition. So, Vader in Revenge of the Sith, actively participates in the Jedi Purge. He destroys all of them, when he kills Ben Kenobi in A New Hope. And he fulfills bringing Balance to the Force, when he kills the 2 remaining Sith (himself and the Emperor), in Return of the Jedi. Thus, nothing is left. And the movie ends with the endless cycle of Jedi fighting Sith being over, the force is finished. The Hero Journey of Luke is to redeem his father and to witness the end of the force and it's back and fourth mundane cycle. Which they explore this more in KOTOR with Kreia.
Anakin shoulda showed up to Kylo Ren. A person who was in Ben's exact position and would have made more sense to lead him back to good.
00:00 INTRO, EDDIE MURPHY ON SNL
05:10 MARC ON CATS
13:14 KEV ON JOKER, MARC DIDN'T LIKE IT!
21:10 SEEING RISE OF SKYWALKER
1:24:50 OPEN MIC ON SW:ROS AND PRIZES
Chewy’s reaction to Leia’s death was very satisfying as this was literally the first time any character showed real emotions and sorrow from the OG characters deaths. Both Han and Luke barely had any recognition after their deaths so chewy showing his emotions like he actually should when one of his most best of friends passes was just heartbreaking but I’m glad they finally did it
Shaun Bang in my star wars movie the third one would of been a wookie revenge tale with Chewie killing kylo at the wnd
I actually thought it was really weird. The “friendship” of the OG characters, and even the reaction to the characterization of the OG characters, is often very starkly contrasted against the reality of what’s on screen. We NEVER see anything that would suggest that Leia and Chewbacca have a deep or close relationship.
I felt like the scene was an over correction to how Chewbacca was treated in previous films
I will say Chewy's rage at Kylo for killing Han felt pretty real to me "I don't care that you are his kid, I don't care about your internal struggle I want to kill you" and then he tries to that felt like a real reaction from him
Agreed that it's closer to the mark than his reaction to Han's punk--- murder. I thought Chewy should've gone ape after losing Han.
@@MrGenexxx i think i saw that on p$!n hub
Palpatine: i am all the sith
Rey: and i...am...ironman
*force fart*
The Son of Mortis is the Sith
@@elephantpowerproductions mortis der soulstealer? He had a kid after he came back?
It’s like nobody here watched revenge of the sith. The emperor DID die, he’s not a clone, he didn’t survive the fall, he died. He brought himself back to life, just like his master, plagueis
sinister kiid So Plagueis was resurrected? When?
I’m probably wrong. But, I had the distnct impression that Palpatine survived because of his Mastery of the Darkside. Just as Darth Maul survived in Clone Wars.
Plagueis essence transferred to Palpatine long ago
Revenge of the Sith? You mean return of the Jedi?
you referring to what Palpatine said to Anakin?
The movie should have been called weekend at Palpatines.
Hilarious!!! lol
Then they should have brought Bernie Mack back, Jack. He could talk smack about the Dark side like nobody's business...
"Weekend at Palpie's"
Do it...
@@LETSTALKENTERTAINMENT I made a weekend at Bernie reference and this guy really thought I meant Bernie Mac. Must be good weed
Give Chewie the Falcon and have him sit in Hans spot. I'm getting misty-eyed just thinking about it.
actually Ezra was not in Rise of Skywalker. His voice did not appear and name did not appear in credits. It was Kannan Jarus (freddi prinz jr) , Ezras jedi master who trained him. right now Ezra is still missing and nobody knows what happened yet
I thought all of that stuff was wiped from cannon. This is getting confusing.
@@ZanyGeek Rebels was the first thing that came out after the canon wipe. Before that, the only non-movie material that stayed canon was Clone Wars. (and the first part of a short story that had just come out before the announcement... can't remember the name.)
It also means Asoka's dead, and Ezra isn't.
Probably going to be a villain in the rise of kylo comics
@@collins.4380 Asoka would be old at this point, wouldn't she? Leia died, Luke died...so she realistically could be dead too. Your theory fits
Watching this for two reasons:
1. Great show
2. To remember audiences
Holy shit, Steele Saunders just casually in the crowd. Wasn’t expected that, but of course he’s there.
His disappointment was delicious
Prediction: Kevin LOVES IT! Mark.... has problems......
You didn't see Kevin blowing Mickey Mouse in the back alley?
Kevin loves The Last Jedi, which is disturbing.
He only talks about stuff he likes so duh. He loves fan service too
@@Mhats After Rise of Skywalker, does that really matter anymore? Really?
He would love it if the entirety of the film was actually Cats with the Star Wars label
The entire star wars films was based on the adventures of the two random robots. C3PO and R2D2. George Lucas was trying to take you and your friend on a D&D quest throughout time. He succeeded.
Kevin reviews this like someone fearfully disarming a bomb while Marc keeps cutting all the wires.
I love that man with the 1977 shirt. My faith is restored.
+1000 for kevins idea at 1:03:48 of having had leia die valiantly carrying out the 'holdo maneuver' to save the resistance escape... this would also be one way to address the 'why hasnt everyone in star wars used mass-weaponized hyperspace' conundrum by maintaining that only a keenly force sensitive pilot, like luke or leia, can effectively use the force to time the end of the maneuver perfectly enough to pull it off successfully (but the force sensitive pilot has to remain on the ship and sacrifice themselves in the process, which makes this too costly to use at scale)
past experiments using droids and hyperspace computers to attempt weaponized hyperspace could be said to have all been failures for always coming out of hyperspace a fraction of a nanosecond off and either over- or under-shooting the target, so a NON-force sensitive pilot would obviously also have no chance of succeeding either unless they got one-in-a-million lucky. this aligns neatly with the way luke hits that first death star trench exhaust port shot in ep.iv when obi wan tells him to use the force instead of the x-wing targeting computer to time the shot perfectly while flying at full-throttle
You're trying to dig deep into 9 movies that were made for kids. Calm down.
Since I like good writing and logic.. I like your point
That was a great point about Finn being the inspiration for the former stormtroopers rising against the first order.
Marc at beginning: Man, too much fan service. Give me something I didn't know I wanted.
Marc 25 minutes later: I WANTED TO SEE ALL THE JEDI I LIKE!!!!
In answer to Kevin's question about who voiced "Win the war!", a character called Boolio, apparently it was Mark Hamill :)
"Boolio marks Mark Hamill's fourth Star Wars character after Luke Skywalker, the voice of Darth Bane in Star Wars: The Clone Wars, and Dobbu Scay in Star Wars: The Last Jedi. Dobbu was the little guy in the casino who confused BB-8 with a slot machine.
When he does get credited for such things, he likes to use a pseudonym that combines his brothers' names -- Patrick Williams."
@1:35:36 - "Luke Skywalker is just a kid from nowhere." - No he isn't. He thinks he's just a kid from nowhere but it turns out his father was a great Jedi (who turned evil and became the #2 Sith Lord). Just like Rey thinks she's just a kid from nowhere but it turns out her grandfather was the #1 Sith and her parents hid her to keep her safe.
Luke never came from nothing and we find that out in Obi-Wan's hut when he gives Luke Anakin's Lightsaber. Harry Potter was not a flip on that, it was the same thing. Thinks he's from nowhere and nothing, turns out he's a somebody.
He was talking how it was back in 77
@@donoso1312 - Yes, I know. And I explained that in 1977 we first met Luke, a kid working on his uncle's moisture farm on a desert planet. Within 20 minutes we found out that, contrary to what his uncle told him, his father was a great Jedi who once fought in the Clone Wars along side the old man whom everyone around believes is just a simple hermit. Right from the beginning we learn that nothing is as it seems. Other mysteries unfold in the subsequent movies.
Similarly, we met Rey, a scavenger on a desert planet. Shortly thereafter, we learn she was left there by her parents for some unknown reason and a lightsaber calls to her. She is incredibly strong with the Force, despite never being trained... we should realize that something unknown is yet to be discovered. Other mysteries WILL unfold in the subsequent movies.
Would have been a better story if Rey was a nobody and that anyone can become a powerful Force user. Why does everyone have to be related to someone else important to matter? Nothing would have had to change in the movie other than removing some BS flashbacks and some dialogue from Palpatine. This would leave open many more options going forward in the Star Wars universe.
1:00:10
Finn was going to tell her "Epstein didn't kill himself."
RedHeadKevin just like the clothes in my closet!
RedHeadKevin epstein doesnt exist in star wars canon. If he did, he probably would have commited suicide like he did IRL
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Hugh tube lmao
You win this comment section
I want to change one thing that you said Mark: Leia passes her own lightsaber and it some what looks like the Princess is knighting her champion and says, "Help EVERYONE Rey Skywalker... Now Rise!"
I know some people are upset that Rey isn’t a “Nobody” anymore but you still got your “Nobody” who became a hero...Finn. He started off as FN-2187 to General Finn & potentiality a Jedi in the future.
We still don’t know much about him but for Finn to turn away & still come out a hero who found himself & his own family through the force after everything he went through is a beautiful thing.
So wouldn't have been better if Finn was the main protagonist instead of Rey? You just described a better Star Wars trilogy than we got. Finn, a former Storm Trooper turned Jedi.
It's in the comic books that The Emperor manipulated the midiclorians to conceive Anikin
They rolled that back. Called the Dark Side an unreliable narrator
so reylo incest is now cannon..... or they were just making this crap up as they went along.
@@talent103 The Emperor isn't the biological father of Anikin he just used the force to make life grow in Anikin's mom so no incest
That’s been confirmed as false by current Lucasfilm writers.
@@Sam-du5oe I know man but on the video they were asking were that came from so I commented that's all
When obi wan spoke to Rey, he should have said, ""Hello There"
“ Oh it’s you!”
Wait, so you're saying he shouldn't have uttered that oh-so-classic line, "always the move."
Gotta disagree on the "Leia brings Han back to talk to Kylo" point.
Kylo has been lectured to and pleaded with by his dad, by Rey, even by Lor San Teka at the beginning of TFA. He's a grown man and the handholding had to end. For his turn to really mean anything, it had to be HIS decision, it had to come from WITHIN.
Han essentially speaking as Ben's conscience, as an embodiment of his guilt, remorse and regret, giving him a chance to do over that fateful moment on Starkiller Base...it was perfect.
The movie has flaws, for sure, but that scene could not have been done better.
The John Williams cameo? No lines just an appearance, he was the guy with the eye piece shaking his head
Did anyone notice Ben looses his scar after ray heals him, and that’s when he turns to the light side, it’s like she healed his soul.
The healing does something to the persons character....In the Mandolorian when the Child healed Greef, He changed to good. When Rey healed the snake creature, it changed. It appears that force Healing adds light to the person removing darkness
@@DamnYoureGarbage I saw it in the movie with Ben, but totally missed those other instances! Now I gotta go back and rewatch!
Who would’ve known all it took was a metaphorical bitch slap for him to quit acting like a bish.
A shame Rey didn’t heal Finn’s scar😒
Just trawling IMDB :
Warwick Davis ... Wicket W. Warrick
Harrison Davis ... Pommet Warwick
So Warwick Davis's son played Wicket's son, that's amazing!
I thought he looked familiar!
Named after Harrison Ford!
Coming back as a force ghost was created by Qui-Gon Jinn. And then eventually only talk to Yoda and then eventually Obi-Wan Kenobi and then Luke Skywalker and Leia. And he's right for schools have always been powerful. Obi-Wan Kenobi could sense the trouble that Luke was in and he was able to communicate with not just him but Yoda as well. That's throughout the Galaxy. When Yoda died he was able to conjure lightning. When Luke died he was able to grasp solid objects and use the force. These Are Not Mere tasks. But the battle still needed to be won
Luke lifting the X-Wing out of the water was the perfect way to wrap up his progression throughout the saga. I loved that moment.
Except, it should have happened in Last Jedi when he was alive.
And because people are so easy to please, we get more shitty Star Wars. Thanks.
I love how the more Kevin talks to mark, his rose colored glasses slip lower and lower on his nose. It's like seeing a kid slowly realize there's no santa Claus.
He finally realized this trilogy is utter crap and he knows they fumbled it and no matter how he bags on the Prequels they literally narratively shit all over this trilogy and its hilarious
@@CynicallyObnoxious if I had to pick between the new trilogy and prequels, I'd go prequels, simply because their shit flows down, new trilogy shits on the original, prequels shit on the void, I think. Don't know the EU enough to know if it does.
@@TheOnlyGuermo How do the prequels not shit on the Original trilogy? Midichlorians? Yoda with a lightsaber?
If Ben Solo was the one to rally the rebellion and save the fleet, that would have been his Han saving the rebellion moment as well
Yeah and Kylo could have reached out with the force to explain the timeline. How did someone gather those ships that fast?>
Started watching the channel when you cried over The Flash.
Thank you both for being too awesome for words. 🙏🏽
This is a perfect format. When they are confused about a point and I’m getting irked cuz I know the answer, the audience chimes in and tells them for me. Fun informal setting like we’re just hanging out
30:26
"The expression is to land this fish."
"No, it's land this bird! Just like landing a plane to be in business."
"I know it's silly to get hung up on these kinds of things, but I do."
"How am I gonna land a FISH? It can't walk! And if it swam up on shore, and battled a hawk, who is gonna win?"
Kevin Smith thinks like a fan.
Marc Bernardin thinks like a writer
"On your left."
Thank you, Marc.
Bonzulac Kevin has been a writer for much longer than Marc. Trust me there’s plenty of shit out there Kevin doesn’t like but he’d rather spend time talking about stuff he loves because he’s not worried about trying to sound smart all the time. Kevin is a good writer BECAUSE he thinks like a fan. Marc got a big head and forgot how to be a fan.
@@JBJones66 So? A fan has to remove their brain whenever they go see a movie? I'm sorry that you seem to think people who strive towards greatness are less of a being than those who settle for "fan service". Sad.
Per Karlsson arguing against things I never said is like setting up pins and knocking them down. It’s easy.
Fan service, like anything else, can be good or bad. You don’t have to remove your brain and ignore flaws sure, but people have lost the ability to say that a movie was just ok. Everything is either amazing or it’s shit because the internet has sensationalized opinions.
@@JBJones66 To be fair, you wrote: "Kevin is a good writer BECAUSE he thinks like a fan". That makes no sense. Not in general, and especially not when it comes to Kevin Smith. The two movies that put Kevin on the map were original ideas. Also, The Rise of Skywalker disappointed a lot of fans.
@@JBJones66 yeah, it is refreshing because the trend is to shit all over anything star wars or any knew movie. It's cool to hear someone have a positive spin and not the boring same ol pessimistic take on things
Hi, I saw the movie yesterday, and I think what Leia does is that she ties her life to her son's, to give Rey time to heal Kilo / Ben, and that's why in the end when Ben heals Rey, transferring him of his vital energy, both Ben and Leia's body disappear, Ben was alive on borrowed time.
Why were they drawing the line at Palpatine being a clone?
“Now you are bringing science to this.”
...so we just going to act like the clone wars isn’t a thing?
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I like the idea that Kylo Ren’s whole thing is wanting to be the next Darth Vader and ended up doing something Vader never could. He saved the woman he loved. Anakin turned based on a lie by Palpatine that the Sith had a power to keep people from dying. Sith are selfish so the power to give ones life force to another to save them is of course would be a Jedi power. I think that’s brilliant. IT brought that whole thing full circle
I disagree that palpatine was lying about keeping people from dying. There probably aresith Magic’s that do that. But you are right that he was lying about teaching Anakin. He never intended to.
Palpatines survival itself is likelihood that the sith know how to extend life.
JazGalaxy well, if the Sith have a power to extend life it would only be their own life.
JazGalaxy the way he described it being unnatural said to me that if it did exist, what it did to the person probably screwed them up. Like maybe bringing them back as some sort of mindless husk or zombie. Anyway the fact the Jedi were able to do this all along makes Anakin’s turn even more foolish and tragic. I think once everything settles and this movies ages, I think it’s gonna be looked backed upon more fondly than it currently is.
Kevin we need you to either direct a Star Wars film of your own or an episode of The Mandalorian. It would be epic!
Re: the Leia force projection scene - my thought was that Leia was sensing Kylo and Rey fighting at that moment. As the surrogate mother figure to Rey and actual mom to Ben, she didn't want either of them to die. The reach out with "Ben" was her trying to metaphysically pause or break the fight up - but then she passes away, Ben feels it....and the rest of the scene unfolds. Sorry - listening at work, at minute 57 got me really engaged in that debate.
Yeah, I felt she was sensing that Ben was going to kill Rey, and she knew she had to stop him, that he had to die to be redeemed, etc..
The main premise of the Palpatine clones is that Palpatine’s dark side essence was so powerful and corrosive that each clone he occupied decayed at an accelerated rate because they weren’t the original body. That’s why he wanted to transfer to Rey. That’s why he took Rey and Kylo’s life essence. It made his clone body strong enough to store his power.
Thank you Mark for being the voice of reason. Kev is such a great writer who is great with dialogue and connecting and setting up things within a narrative and I was sure he was going to hate this movie. Not that I don’t think his feelings are genuine, I just think he’s feeling a certain way now that part of his childhood has come to an end.
He’s unable to be critical so I don’t see how he’s a great writer but he is a great comedic writer .
I'm pretty sure Anakin was the chosen one to bring balance to the force by destroying the jedi. I think the force was out of balance because there was too many jedi and it needed more dark side and Anakin came through like a boss!
Nah. The prophecy of "the chosen one" goes back at least 2000 years before episode 1. The force was considered unbalanced all the way back then when the Jedi, and Sith were both tens of thousands strong. Disney just blew a huge plot hole in the continuity. Kathleen Kennedy has been telling us for years that she doesn't care for the original story.
No, the balance of the Force was clearly restored when Anakin destroyed *Palpatine*, not the Jedi.
the best thing to have Palpatine to say for his first scene would have been "Have you heard of The Tragedy of Darth Plagueis The Wise" and that sinister grin would of done it for me which now that i think about it makes rays healing powers have more sense to them
The Clone body is jacked up because, the cloning tech is fine, they are perfect clones until he jumps into them, but the technique makes the bodies age and fall apart at a highly accelerated rate, hence him being the life essence vampire, they help fix the body to be able to contain his sith spirit. Thats how it worked in the Dark Empire story
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You can tell when a Kevin really likes something... like endgame or far from home, and when he kind of likes something (like rise of sky walker) but doesn’t want to hurt feelings or step on his friends toes (like JJ who invites him to set and puts him in the movie. He seemed to still be ok with the film... but wasn’t squealing all over it like we’ve seen in the past.
I had the same take away. He knows this movie could have been more, even if he doesn't know how to fix it. Good thing he has writer friends around him who can. The fact that his buddy made a Finn rewrite and made Kevin tear up says a lot. JJ couldn't figure out how to make old SW fans care about the new characters without resorting to MEMORIES, but I digress....
Kevin is the kind of guy who will never say he dislikes a movie publicly (probably because he likes having cameos and directing episodes of tv shows, etc.).
I kept repeating the Kevin's delivery at 12:33 - that's amazing comedic timing.
This should be watched by everyone on the internet and taken as how to behave when 2 opposing viewpoints discuss Star Wars.
They arent actually opposing viewpoonts though. Kevin agrees with Marc but he cant say as much as he wants because of his personal work relationships
Also when the emperor force lighting the sky that shit was epic, I was disappointed when Luke didn't do something similar in the last jedi but he lifted the x wing in this one so it's all good
The hooded figures in the arena with Palpatine and Rey we're not Sith. Remember the rule of two. They were Sith worshippers.
YodatheHobbit the Sith are an alien race. They worshipped the Dark Jedi. That where Dark Lord Of The Sith comes from.
Mark is basically using the Alan Moore concept for the role of the artist. “It's not the job of the artist to give the audience what the audience wants. If the audience knew what they needed, then they wouldn't be the audience. They would be the artists. It is the job of artists to give the audience what they need.”
I really, really wanted to love this movie. I keep looking for reasons to love it. The Han/Kylo scene was great. The action scenes were superb. Carrie’s scenes were handled with an incredible amount of grace. And on and on. Objectively though - this movie has some serious problems. Its very hard to overlook them, but I don’t count myself in the group that is trashing every second of the film. There is a lot to love in this movie. But for folks out there that are really, really not enjoying it - that’s valid. If you love it, you love it. If you don’t, you don’t. At the end of the day, the only valid opinion is your own.
Great points by both of you about Star Wars, but I am still leaning toward team Marc.
And yes, the Chewey scene with him crying was the one time it pulled my heartstrings that the other fanfare was trying to achieve that Avengers accomplished. Then to add to that finally giving him the medal.
Imma try to make a counter argument for this movie. Poe's emotional connection when the fleet shows up isn't for Lando. It's because in that moment they're alone and He believes that the Empire is greater and they are few. When Lando shows up that is for us. His faith in the resistance is restored when so many people show up that's for him.
Also Marc's point that Palpatine living invalidates Anakin's sacrifice is moot because it's about the intention of the sacrifice not the result
before anakin thousands of jedi, 2 sith, after anakin, 2 jedi, 2 sith. How is that not balance?
On the Emperor being a clone or not: the way I saw it was that it was a clone and he managed to do the Sith equivalent of the Jedi’s Force ghosts. Sith can haunt objects (like the helmet Vader brought to Mustafar in the comic). Palpatine’s essence or spirit was bound to the clone body, which was decaying because it wasn’t completely alive.
Leia was probably supposed to use her power to make both Han and her appear to Kylo and persuade him back over to the lightside (using the medal as a focus to summon Han, and her connection to Rey, who was her apprentice), but Carrie died, so they only used Han, and managed to make it work...she couldn't do it prior to the fight on the Deathstar, because she also needed the connection between Kylo and Rey to be at a certain level, as their connection through The Force also seemed to be growing stronger and stronger throughout the movies, and she needed Rey to be at a certain level of power (casting force lightning) to create a strong enough connection to insure she would be able to get through to Ben under Kylo; all this was also aided by Kylo and Rey being in close physical proximity to each other, with Rey kinda acting like an antenna...
You guys are missing it he’s not a clone, he’s the only palpatine we’ve seen that wasn’t a clone
Redmage 77 I like your Star Wars movie. 😂
RE: Palpatine, the story is he DID die. He says it. Right in the movie. "I've died before". The supposition is not that he survived but that he's died and found ways through the Dark Side to come back. I don't understand how that is missed.
So he's not dead? He just lives forever? Seems pretty lame.
My reading of Leia and Ben moment: Yes, Leia was reaching out to her son one last time. But this time, she was giving her life to try and reach Ben, not Kylo, one more time. Not only did Ben sense Leia reach out to him, he felt the love and self sacrifice of that act, and then her death. That, along with Rey basically killing him, put him in a position to relive the moment on the bridge in TFA, and this time, he makes a different choice, one towards the light.
Episode 9...travis style summary.
Kylo is supreme leader doing the supreme leader thing and searching for Rey.
Rey is with Leia studying the old jedi books. Leia explains to Rey the prophesy of skywalker and the family history. She explains how even Luke was once tempted with the dark side but Vaders sacrifice saved Luke from it. Because of this...she feels even Ben has good left in him and can be redeemed.
Kylo is studying the works of snoke and goes through the artifacts and finds hints of a deeper secret.
Kylo eventually discovers that snoke was a clone...and old clone. Older than anyone has known. He discovers that in fact...the body was a clone but was controlled by the force projection of Plageius. Kylo goes to find him.
Rey feels through the force kylos discovery and goes to leia. Leia fears that if kylo finds plageius...the end of the rebellion is over.
A new snoke contacts kylo and they meet. Snoke explains that palpatine did in fact kill plageius but the body was just another force projected controlled clone. And that the secret has always been life through projection. Kylo bends the knee seemingly to accept that snoke/plageius is in fact the supreme force user.
After subplots and a few adventures...the rebellion find the real plageius location. Kylo and the sith army are ready for the largest battle. Rey traveled to the island and Luke reveals that she is in fact palpatines granddaughter and that his child didnt have the force and when she was a baby...they discovered she had the force. Fearful of her connection with her grandfather....they send her to Luke. Luke reveals that he knew plageius was still alive and hiding and waiting...and that he had trained hundreds of young padawans in preparation. And that he force wiped their minds.and scattered them throughout the galaxy waiting for plageius to reveal his plans. Rey asks him if Luke is worried she will fail being a jedi and become a sith. Luke says that he never trained jedi...and that he meant it that he was the last jedi....and hands her a hidden book. The book of the grey jedi.
The final battle comes along and rey arrives wearing grey jedi regalia....everyone is shocked. She sparks up the grey jedi saber and uses the force to remove the memory wipe. It is revealed that Finn, Poe, the little stable boy from the end of the last jedi...all of them were trained at Luke's grey jedi temple.
It is also revealed that kylo was in fact Luke's apprentice....and never had his memory wiped. That he was tasked with pretending to go dark side. That the memory of him turning on Luke and destroying the temple was all fabricated. Snoke knew he was struggling with the light and dark and Han knew that he must sacrifice himself to keep snoke off Ben's trail. That's why ben told him he knew what he needed to do but didnt know if he had the strength....and han was actually comforting him and telling him to do it.
Now Ben Solo and Rey Palpatine lead the army of freshly woken grey jedi against plageius and the sith army.
Many die but plageius falls and the grey win.
The movie ends with Rey accepting that she is a palpatine and that a name doesnt define who they are....just as it was with the skywalker's. Ben says that the prophecy was that the skywalker's were destined to find balance between the dark and light....and that the grey are that balance. He says that jedi cant marry but as a grey.....and takes a knee seeming to propose.
Also this movie should be titled: Star Wars: Memberberries
Star Wars 9: Get that Mcguffin!
star wars 9: dead? nope, not dead!
unless you are a member of the skywalker family... then yes, you are dead
Fuck you.
Yeah,I member
Star Wars Episode IX: Palpatine Fucks!
A call back J.J. Abram missed...
Final Order Office: The resistance is riding horse on the deck sir
General Pryde: Try spinning, that's a good trick!
When Rey connected with the generations of Jedi it should have been like in LOTR when Aragon found the ghost army and they showed up when he ran in the battle and they showed up behind him and charged forward
YES!! That would have been soo much better.
I thought it was just Harry vs Voldemort again. I can't believe they couldn't find anything more cinematic than making an X with lightsabers.
“Win the WARRR” - is Mark Hammill
Marc dropping facts man. I honestly didn’t know how to feel about this movie. Thanks for the opinions my guy
Well.. some people grow out of it and some people are eternally young at heart. And that's why I go to the movies. Maybe it's just me
I hope that at some time Marc got to read Timothy Zahn's trilogy way back when with admiral Thrawn. To me, that was a great fan service/ story telling triumph.
Bringing Palpatine in was fine since it was the original idea for EP9 from the beginning. At the time Empire was filmed the idea was Luke would confront only Vader in Jedi, then go off and look for his long lost sister who was not Leia, fall to the Darkside along the way, to end up with bro and sis confronting Palpatine in EP9. But Lucas decided he wanted to get his personal life back together and changed it and we got the EP6 that was released. So by going with Palpatine they just kept the original idea.
I want every Star Destroyer to have a Noisy Cricket!!
It took me a second viewing to come to terms with the Leia-Kylo-Rey scene, and the best I came up with was: Leia sensed that Rey was in danger from her son, so Leia, knowing that Rey was the last hope of saving the galaxy, used the last of her strength to distract Kylo long enough for Rey to strike him down. She may have even sensed that their confrontation was inevitable and that's why she asked Rey not to go searching for Palpatine. Anyway, when Rey stabbed Kylo, she felt Leia's death and realized that Leia gave her life to save Rey; Rey also realized in that moment that her own rage and thirst for revenge against Palpatine led directly to her ill-fated fuel with Kylo and ultimately to Leia having to sacrifice herself. That would in turn make more sense of Rey's abrupt desire to run away to Ach-to. Just, like, my opinion, man!
This video is longer than the movie it's talking about, and I fucking love that.
Chewie's mourning was one of the best scenes! It was the end of his life debt with the Solo family. Even at Han's death, Chewie could have shot Kylo dead but shot him with a non lethal blast.
Alfred Hernandez I was crying before that and lost it with full on ugly crying when Chewy started crying.
I don't know if it's significant, but my first thought when I saw Rey's new lightsaber was that it was a call back to the original Kenner Luke action figure, which had a yellow lightsaber in his arm. That hit me hard and took me back to playing with those toys as a kid, and whether intentional or not, I loved that moment!
Oh damn, that's a fantastic point.
I would have liked if we got to see Rey use her new lightsaber.
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One small correction here, Anthony Daniels was in Solo, A Star Wars Story. He was a droid in the Kessel spice mine.
Palpatine Clones suffer "Dark Side Rot" because Essence Transfer is sooooo Unnatural. His own life force is corrupt. Draining other's Life Force is restorative (but short lived)
I’m with you Marc!!
I liked the movie but I agree with Marc the fan service stopped the movie dead, it could have been so much better.
the thing is though I think there was so little fan service in The Last Jedi that they had to double up on it in The Rise of Skywalker. I think if JJ had done the Last Jedi the fan service would have been spread out over the last two films. Although it does sound like JJ was maybe forced into a few of the choices that were made by KK and Lucasfilm
I have to disagree with Marc. Bringing back Palpatine didn't destroy Anakin's sacrifice, he was there to save his son that day and bring balance back to the force and he did imo. Palpatine held all the power at that point, once Anakin stopped him it brought balance to the force by saving Luke (The New Hope). Palpatine still being alive made so much sense to me because in "Attack of The Clone" he spoke about staying alive and how the Sith used unnatural means to do it.
Lando coming to save Poe is being looked at the wrong way imo. Poe at that time felt alone, he never felt like he could be the leader of the resistance after Leia, then out of no where this guy he barely knows comes through for him at his time of need, that was universal love right there, they don't need to have a personal connection, they just have to be fighting for the same cause. Sprinkled all through out the Star Wars movies are messages of love like that. I think that epic Lando Poe moment lost some of it's epicness because they put it in the fucking trailer lol. Who ever did the trailers for Skywalker fucked it all up imo, they showed us way too much. I'm staying away from trailers.
Hey guys , when is the new episode getting posted? It’s hard waiting for quality content.
FYI star wars talk starts at 21:10
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This is the timestamp I was looking for....move along
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Bro, I'm here for the whole ass 3 hours.
Good now people will know where to start to skip over so they won't have to hear anything about s*** Wars
So thank you!
I was thinking the same thing, would have been great to see all the Jedi's come out as a force ghost. That would have made the big difference and i can say that wraps the whole saga.
It was way too big of a dumpster fire to ever be redeemed by a single scene.
Great vid. You mention some of same points I said in my review so good we were on the same page lol.
But now after watching this, made me think the tile "Rise of Skywalker" was all about Luke rising the xwing lol 😂😂😂
ya'll need to remember palpatine was taught by plagueis, palpatine had entire planet dedicated to his own clone manufacturing, he uses the force to possess his clones every time he dies. and the reason that healing is a dark side power is because plagueis invented force healing.
Yeah, Kathy Kennedy recommended Adam Driver to JJ since she was a fan of GIRLS. She also worked with him on Lincoln.
Only problem with Lukes Force ghost lifting his Xwing is like if all Force ghosts could use their powers like this why weren’t they more helpful to Rey and Ren in the end battle Like taking care of the knights
because they can't all do it
Strika1184 but Luke could...so why didn’t he help? Or yoda, or anakin...?
Jekl_67 it woulda been cool if Mace and Kanan showed up and kicked some Knights ass!
I think there's more to it. In Empire Strikes Back, Ben kenobi says that he can not interfere when Luke confronts Vader. I've never known what he meant by that.
Allan O Castro right? Order 66 backfires big time when ALL the strongest Jedi come back as force ghosts and just run through the knights.
Such a dynamic duo
I loved this movie.. I liked it better than every movie besides the originals. We cheered in the audience and my son loved it.
The real issue after Episode VIII is that to "fix" what Last Jedi did, J.J. need TWO films to make a more comprehensive ending.
Thanks Marc for explaining to me why I was so disconnected from Rise of the Skywalker. Not a big enough of a Star Wars fan to care about the obvious fan service ( Lando being the exception)
Bruce Bickley yeah everything Marc says is why I don’t like rise of skywalker. It’s less a movie and more JJ trying to make last Jedi haters happy. As a story and sequel it’s a mess. As a conversation with fandom it makes more sense.
I just don’t get or understand marcs opinion. Yes. Endgame did the climax scene better. But not for any of the reasons Marc said. Why does Poe care about Lando? How about because Poe flies Lando’s ship? The same ship Lando used to blow up the second Death Star? Because Lando saved Poe’s life? Because Poe is a general and Lando is a general? Because Lando was on a mission specifically to get reinforcements? Because he MET the guy?!
I agree that the scene didn’t work, but it didn’t work because Avegers had people and Star Wars had ships. Tiny, unliving Metal ships. The human connection isn’t there. We had also already seen the exact same scene in Avengers, and saw a very similar fight in The a Last Jedi.
@@JazGalaxy worked for me. Give me the Millennium Falcon over MCU falcon any day of the week.
JazGalaxy I saw the movie a second time (had to give it a second chance) and I have to say for that seen the disconnect came from Poe. Marc is being over sarcastic about that fact that Oscar Issac, a very impressive actor just seemed to not be working that whole scene. His reaction when dude from Alias dies was weak and so was his call out apologizing to his friends. I know JJ can do a better job I just don’t know what happen.
Just due to this, and having nothing to do for the next 6 hours, I am now sitting in a theater in my first dbox (closest thing we have to 4dx based on google) seat waiting for star wars to start for my second viewing.
Part 2. Never doing 4dx dbox what you wanna call it again. That sucked. "Let's shake you so much you get a headache and need to turn this off and destroy your viewing pleasure while charging twice the price!"
The clone bodies were completely normal, but Palpatines high level of dark side power would constantly degrade the bodies, necessitating him to constantly switch to new bodies before each body died with his spirit inside of one, which would kill him for good. Its the "essence transfer" that Darth Bane used on Darth Zanna.