Installing Windows 1.0 on an '80s Zenith Portable PC!
Vložit
- čas přidán 16. 12. 2023
- Back a few weeks ago, I acquired a boxed copy of Windows 1.0. And today, I'm pulling it off the software shelf so that we can install it on a Zenith Portable PC from the 1980s!
Original Video: • The Holy Grail of Boxe...
● Patreon:
/ michaelmjd
● Gear I use to make these videos: www.kit.co/mjd
Camera: amzn.to/3ipyKc5
Tripod: amzn.to/3pqxycn
Microphone: amzn.to/35UbkXb
Editing Software (Premiere): amzn.to/39kawfS
Thumbnail Editor (Photoshop): amzn.to/3lVqVN6
● Affiliate Links:
Get a FREE 30-DAY TRIAL of Amazon Prime: amzn.to/2xVmMB3
Get a FREE TRIAL of Audible: amzn.to/44CX7tN
Amazon: www.amazon.com/?tag=teammjd-20
● Music/Credits:
Background Music:
"Ersatz Bossa" and "By the Fireplace" from the CZcams Audio Library
"Acid Jazz", "Airport Lounge", "George Street Shuffle" and "Spy Groove" by Kevin MacLeod of www.incompetech.com
Outro Music: Silent Partner - Bet On It
Amazon Affiliate Notice: I am a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com. All Amazon links that I provide will use my affiliate code with Amazon.
Some materials in this video are used under Section 107 of the Copyright Act of 1976, which allows "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, commenting, news reporting, teaching, and research.
#MichaelMJD #Windows #80s - Věda a technologie
I think this really puts into perspective why Windows was initially so unsuccessful. When you run Windows 1.0 on a modern emulator with unlimited storage, a mouse, and a full color display, you tend to forget that in the mid 80s when Windows released, most PCs looked more like what Michael showed. They typically had no hard drive, a monochrome display, and were much slower than we'd expect from today's computers. Microsoft was clearly trying to compete with Apple's Macintosh and its operating system when they released Windows, but they didn't take into consideration the limitations of IBM PC compatibles of the time. By the time Windows 3.1 released, the entire computer industry was completely different. The mouse, color displays, hard drives, and faster CPUs were much more commonplace by 1992, so it was much easier for it to gain a large userbase.
Maybe if they'd had better programmers, because the Mac OS ran smoother and was more functional on a 128K 8 Mhz 68000 classic than on this 640K 8088 8 MHz PC. I am far from an Apple fanboy, but in the 1980s only Apple knew how to make a GUI on a personal computer. Okay, maybe Commodore.
@@stepheneickhoff4953 I mean, don't forget that Microsoft had to develop their operating environment to work on potentially dozens of PCs, meaning it's unlikely that Windows could take advantage of any tricks or specialized hardware to run faster. Meanwhile, with the Macintosh, the engineers would have known every little thing about the Macintosh while developing its operating system, including the specifications and all the hardware and software tricks that can make programs run more efficiently.
@@stepheneickhoff4953I mean, it's pretty cringe to be an Apple fanboy now, but back in the 80s? I would've been drooling over those Macintoshes.
Genius
@@destructodisk9074 Success also came with 3.11. As a kid of the 90s, I was always intrigued by my friend's parents whose family PC ran Windows 3.11 right up to the year 2002 before being replaced. It had IE 3 and connected to the 'net on a 14K modem. I believe it was a 16MHz 386. They definitely weren't poor; just extreme misers.
I really love the fact he treated this whole vid like a tutorial as if there is another person on this planet doing this exact thing lol
I’m seriously considering it
@@nR-kv7xo Still, the few nerds who might be doing this will probably at least install this onto a hard drive (or flash card device acting as such) instead of inflicting self torture using floppies only!
@@BilisNegra that's kind of the point I was trying to make. Yes sure, there is always going to be a few people dabbling in the most obscure types of tech. However, it is very unlikely those same people would find joy in actively making their experiences needlessly complicated and monotonous.....
... but then again with the sickos this world creates it wouldn't be surprising.
Clint and Retrospector78 being two of them
@@HrLBolle I miss Retrospector78. Does anybody know why he doesn't make any videos anympre? I really enjoyed that channel.
5:53 There's something so odd and charming in seeing "West Germany" displayed as a keyboard setting
Speaking as a kid from W-Germany, we've been really proud of the quality standards our industrial products had back then, cars included or better put, above all. East Germany was no competitor at all and US, British and especially French or Italian products didn't reach the finese and sturdiness, they lacked the precision and stability. A Mercedes-Benz, a Porsche or a BMW had no competition back then. The only competitor qualitywise was Japan, who had in some places even better products, like consumer electronics e.g., but beside their even higher quality standards they also lacked the finish, the look and feel experience of W-Germany manufacturing.
Today we're done as a leading industrial nation, done as a culture nation, done as a scientific nation and so is the rest of the West. Two world wars, unlimited economical growth, competition in all the places and neoliberalism as well as a fractional reserve money system left us completely burnt out and broken. China will have its try as the leading cultural era for the future. The US elites want that not to happen, but their people are even more corrupted, are fat and/or addicted and are stupified to the bone like in Idiocracy. They don't find soldiers anymore to stop China. They've got a president, who does not even know which day it is!
@@LCdrDerrickThe second half of the Cold War, roughly 1970-1990, sounds like a surprisingly good time to be alive(unless you lived in the communist bloc).
Well, at that time, they were pointing at families of languages. The Germanic family included English. Then, there were Celtic, Italic, and Heleic language families as of stating examples. Chinese belong to the Sino-Tibetan family, and I sometimes wondered if Microsoft translated into those languages. I never saw a Chinese keyboard, but a few different European Germanic keyboards.
A chinese keyboard wouldn't be that easy. The Arab alphabet has just about two dozen letters and sign. There are only ten numbers. Of course there are mutated vowels like Ä or Ü in German, the French have their accents like é and the Turks have theirs. There are punctuation marks, of course, but that fits very easy onto a keyboard.
But with Chinese you are reaching a territory, where it gets complicated. They've got about 6000 signs, which a usual Chinese knows and uses. Have you ever seen a Chinese typewriter? There are however means to construct these 6000 signs, which share common patterns, with sort of a keyboard, but that is a different cup of coffee. You cannot transfer a degenerated dialect of German (English), which is Romanic and can as well be considered as Indo-Germanic and so on and so forth into a completely foreign means of communication. @@rolfmoren6682
@@LCdrDerrickI don't know what all that spiel about what seems like an old man pining for a past that will never return has to do with a guy who's just showing off old Windows. I don't know, you say...
🤔
Fun story!
Once upon a time on my dad's old IBM machine back in like 1991ish, he was full screen in an application and didn't know how to close out of it.
He came back to one of us babies standing at the desk and the Restore Menu was open and he was able to close/unmaximize (restore) the window.
He asked himself "What keys are on the bottom of the keyboard that a baby could reach on their tippy toes?" 😂 That's how he discovered Alt+Space.
Which, BTW still works on every version of Windows, including Windows 11 and Universal Windows Apps. Double clocking the "Restore" button (the app icon on the top left) is also a shortcut for closing the application, which works even on applications that don't have an icon there at all. (idk if this one works on UWP Apps).
Alt Space is important because you can always bring up the menu if you have focus on the application, so if it's off screen or inaccessible somehow, you can open the Restore menu, and then the "Move" command will snap the Window to your cursor. Useful for bringing lost apps back to reality. Has never failed me from Windows 3.1 to Windows 11.
thank you, this is useful.
Thanks for the tip!!! New information every day.
Works in the XFCE desktop environment on Linux, too! And I wouldn't be surprised if it was in others like KDE or Gnome or Cinnamon.
Whoa. Thanks for this.
@@AaronOfMpls Just tried in Linux Mint Cinnamon and it works
Our 8088 booting up dos 3.10 and windows 1.0 in an amber monochrome glow just like that.. is a memory I can still vividly recall from over 3 decades ago.
Thanks for lighting up those nostalgic neurons once again 🫶
For me also. I still have the floppies. But first you had to install DOS versions and I think it was after installing DOS 5 or 6 you could then install Windows 3.1. At first I had a monochrome but upgraded to a color CRT. I got them still somewhere hidden. My 486 is here in the house somewhere. Somehow kept all my machines.
I've never seen Windows 1.0 installed on era-accurate hardware before!
That must be the only Microsoft product with no bugs.
@@diegotr1903 i doubt it had no bugs, the product was a failure, it wasn't really popular yet at that time.
Windows is a bug.
@@edb1913what system do you use? Kinda wanna avoid it if you guys are like that over wherever you are 🧌🧌🧌
@@kebab_hillIf it was successful enough to lead to 7 iterations of DOS based Windows over the next 15 years, it wouldn't really be a failure.
The Z-138 was the portable version of the Zenith Z-148 desktop PC that I did a video about a while ago. The motherboard and I/O board are identical. It's nice that you have the daughterboard for the ISA slot because those are hard to find.
I was just thinking of that when I saw this in my recommended, glad to see you here!
Omg VWestlife!
WOW! This was really nice to see! I have never seen an install of Windows 1.03! Thank you!
I love your videos like this, as they’re a great way to look back at technology (and its unique processes) that have existed before my time
Wow, Zenith. That is a company name I haven't heard in a while. When I was a kid visiting family in Melrose Park, IL, we would drive past a Zenith Factory that only did TV's. As always, excellent work! Video is awesome.
@@parkersneathen
I think it's through their CZcams channel membership that they get to watch videos early.
@@nickatnite90s no its because they are a member
@@osvaldovelazquez2247multiple?
It's funny becouse Zenith is polish Company that make pens
I think my family had a talking VCR from them.
AWWW YUSS I LOVE WHEN MICHAEL MJD UPLOADSSS best vintage computer historian in my opinion i always find your vids interesting no matter how many of ur vids i watch keep up the good work pal!
i've been waiting so long for a video like this including windows 1.0. great video mjd !
Felix
I appreciate it very much you did the system overview at the beginning. It makes this video ten times better.
First time I've actually seen real use of floppy drives, crazy that you can just plug and play them as you like
Not as you like, you have to wait for the usage indicator to go out before pulling it out.
@@MetalTrabant lol... yep you can't even get the disk back out with out ripping it to shreds...
When a programme needs to use a diskette it’s easy to use but to run a programme or save your work it required you to tell the computer where the diskette is and then what you want to do on the disk
The storage on the disk was only a few hundred kb of space .
@@bernardtaylor7768what's a programme?
@@TheALPHA1550 program my bad 🤭
I had one of those at work, the field engineers used to take them out on trials. Thanks for the video, brings back so many memories.
I lived in Pittsburgh and drove through that 3482 William penn hwy and that entire area/place is truly relic! That building along with surrounding ones are empty for decades and I wouldn’t surprise it was only used to sell the computers back in 90s and still the related papers can be found inside!
Man this takes me WAY back! I had a 286 with an amber display like that, and i love that color! It so soft on the eyes, you could work for days on a monitor like that!
My dad has an old Zenith computer that looks very similar to this one, even with that orange screen. I used to play DOS games on it growing up.
I never even considered it could have run Windows 1.0. Thanks for the video! It’s cool seeing it in action on one of these systems. And brings back a lot of memories.
I like how the I/O cover also blocks the fan! Great video. Thanks for uploading.
Here within 24mins!
Didn’t expect this video, and i’m excited to watch it!
Whenever you test out a calculator program on an old system, I think it would be interesting to see how it reacts to a divide by zero.
Haha I should’ve tried that!
The house explodes by it trying to process 0 divided by 0
A black hole opens up obviously
I think just about all calculator programs test for that condition, really. Even the fairly primitive Level I BASIC on the TRS-80 Model I (1977-78) would return an error message of HOW? if you tried to divide by zero. (Level I had only three error messages: WHAT? was any kind of syntax error, HOW? was a mathematically-impossible operation, and SORRY was when you ran out of memory.)
i'm, not one for owning or collecting old machines but i love looking back at history and seeing how everything worked before what we have today so thanks for these videos also love seeing you do random things to old computers. 👍
This brought back so many memories, I worked at a store that sold these units. I sold quite a few of them. Along with many other systems like the QX-10. Nice video.
Awesome video idea! Also, I love that amber CRT display!
The Zen is one of THE coolest OG's you will ever see, I am amazed he has one in such great condition and the screen is still bright as new. Amazing.
You truly make me miss the early days of computing. There was just something so special and incredible about it. a feeling you don’t get with modern computing. I guess because everything was new and there were so many leaps coming in technology day after day. Now, it’s kind of stagnated and it’s just not the same.
Thank you for the video. Much appreciated. I have a brand new Vic 20, new Atari 600XL and new TI 99 4A sitting here. Ive been collecting brand new systems since the late 80s, early 90s and you don’t know how tempted I am to bust open the 600 XL. I don’t have any hard drives or disk drives for it, which I imagine I could easily find on eBay. Would be pretty awesome to fire up a brand new system. though, I don’t think I have the heart to do it. There’s too many collectors out there who would love to have it sitting on their shelves. And the prices have gone through the roof. Lol.
OooOOooohh... That's a fancy machine! Beautiful amber display with Windows 1.0.
Great video.
Keep up the good work!!🎉
Brought back a lot of memories. The key to using computers in the 80s was patience! Imagine today's generation trying to use an 80s-00s computer.
By the 2000s computers were very much like they are today and most of “todays generation” grew up in the 2000s
I know what you're saying! I used an Atari 1040 ST back then, and that thing was a pain in the assbone! (I think it ran Windows 1.0).
Something in that monitor's horizontal drive circuitry is starting to fail. If you haven't noticed the picture keeps shrinking and expanding horizontally.
Yeah I noticed, definitely has to be looked at
I wasn't looking too closely but I figured it was happening in line with disk activity. When the drives run the +12v rail will dip. Assuming the monitor doesn't have its own power regulation this will change the deflection strength.
You took me back in time ! Thanks.... I miss my childhood !
so cool dude. I never thought that someone would actually install windows 1.0 today in a very old portable computer.👌👌
My neighbor had a similar system made by Compaq. His dad worked as a coder over there. Great memories.
I am a fan of the split Microsoft logo that slides together. They also used it with the first few Microsoft Word (for DOS) versions.
man this is sooo coooool im so invested in learning computer science but this is so much better than school !
We still used floppy disks in middle school back in the early to mid 90's. This takes me back. In keyboarding class, if we finished early our teacher would let us play Oregon Trail or Prince of Persia. The OLD original versions. lol. It was all so incredibly intiquated and obtuse by todays metrics with pixels like Legos, but felt lightspeed technological to us then.
I'm here on release hour lol. Love your channel
I remember learning how to program in Pascal, in the mid 80s, on a dual 5 &1/4 system similar to this. Great memories! Thanks.
Love your videos
Been watching since under 100k subs
Absolutely beautiful machine 👌
Today I first heard the word "luggable". And I first heard it a few hours ago in an LTT video about a luggable PC chassis and now, a little later, in this video right here XD
Yah, "luggable" was kind of a retronym applied to this kind of portable computer, after laptops started to be a thing.
@@AaronOfMpls
Funny thing is, I've never heard that word before. But the day I hear it, I hear it in two almost unrelated places just a few hours after one another XD
Absolutely adore this
OHH MY GOOD GOD IT IS PRISTINE INSIDE AND OUT :) Well impressed.
Dude this is the best video you've ever done, and that is high praise.
Literally this blows the usual top 10 OUT of the water. Well played Micheal!
Loved this video!
FYI Alt+Spacebar works on modern versions of Windows too (because of course it does). It saved me many times when some Windows scaling or desktop window position restore bug put one of my windows outside of the screen. Just Alt+Spacebar, Move, arrow keys, Enter, badabing, badaboom. It's funny how little known it is, to the point where the default keybind of PowerToys Run (a Microsoft developed tool!) is Alt+Spacebar. I have to change it to Win+Spacebar every time, because I can change my keyboard layouts with Ctrl+Shift already...
Man that's the pc I had in the late 80s and early 90s and have been looking for that model again since...
This is just pure gold!
Ha ha ha.....That Monroeville 3482 WmPenn Hwy ad that you displayed really brought back memories for me. I am from Pennhills, right outside Monroeville.
Dad had a Compaq computer nearly identical. It was a beast. It was heavy and unruly and took forever to boot up.
I love that you had to clarify 1986 wasn't our current year. I dunno why, but that little line is just so funny to me.
Thank you for telling me about the ALT+Spacebar hotkey. I couldn't figure it out for Windows 1.01.
Love ur style! ❤😂
It’s a miracle that these even got installed with how much effort this takes though I guess it wasn’t too unusual at the time.
Wow this is really neat
I have a Compaq Portable III Clone, wich is one of the coolest things in my collection. Those portable PCs are just awesome!
Imagine showing people from back then todays smartphone
This was pretty awesome, now I know where the fallout terminal UI comes from
Always loved the amber screen.
wow thank for the vid ❤❤❤❤
Liked the Compaq "luggable" better at the time, and they both blew my orginal Osborne 1 away (And CP/M was going the way of the Dodo at the time). Zenith made a couple cool desktops too. Don't really miss 5 1/4 inch disks much. Sigh, the good old days. Great video!
Amazing video showing yesteryear's computing.
That is a dead-on wonderful & dope having that retro Windows :D
I built a Zenith system sold by Heathkit not long after the computer in this video was released. It was an all in one with a larger CRT and two five inch floppies. I really liked my amber display.
I've been watching your videos for a couple years now and just wanted to show a little appreciation. One question though: do you think you'll ever do a face reveal? I have an image in my head of what I think you look like based on your voice and I'm curious how close I am, haha. Anyway, I completely understand why you wouldn't want to show your face. Keep up the awesome content. Happy holidays!
Edit: fixed grammatical typo
I still use Windows 1.0 on my Zenith Portable PC.... Absolutely Incredible. Saving up now for the TRS 80 Color Computer 2...... That will be a serious boost for me......
I acquired a very similar zenith system... I didn't invest much time into it due to the missing keyboard cable. I really hope I just missed a hidden compartment. Thx for the video!
ending music is something I like to listen to all over and over again ...
That CRT blooms just like my Hyperion did when I was using it. After a minute or two, it would nicely stabilize. AFAIK it's in New Jersey now, since at least 2018.
Once I had a PC with a hinged cover, so easy to open. very nostalgic 😊
That one clipping was for a store just outside of Pittsburgh. There was a Hooters, a Chinese Restaurant, and a couple of tech shops in a small plaza at that address. They all are now abandoned.
Great video
Brings some memories back. Both 80286 and 80386 were out on the market when I got my first computer, but all I could afford was an 8086. It had a floppy diskette and the operative system; the DOS had to be loaded first every time I started it. Interestingly, I had Word, Data, and Excel on a floppy, and I had a matrix printer. The commands I was learning are still, to this day, what you can use on the latest versions of Microsoft Office.
Great video✌
Watching that yellow screen in landscape mode then switching to portrait mode on my phone was a surreal time travel experience.
Gracias Bro ,ahora necesito una PC retro, para empezar de manitas 😊😊😊😊😊
This was a triumph
I'm making a note here
Huge success
It's hard to overstate my satisfaction
Aperture Science. We do what we must because we can.
For the good of all of us
Except the ones who are dead
But there's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep on trying till' you run out of cake!
And the science is done
And you make a neat gun
For the people who are still alive!
I'm not even angry
I'm being so sincere right now
fantastic keyboards on these with Alps SKCM Green switches!
Nice. I still have the desktop version of that, the Z-148, which I bought for $999 in 1985 while in college. It also came with 256K upgradable to 640K. No hard drive.
I never ran Windows on it. Just MS-DOS.
At one point I put a disk controller in it and connected an external hard drive (20MB). That was a great improvement. I booted it up recently and the hard drive is dead and some of the diskettes are corrupt, but it did boot on a floppy disk.
I remember those "portable" pc's. Used to have one. Would LOVE to get my hands on a non working one with chassis intact to convert into a modern sleeper pc :)
This brings back memories
amazing well kept machine
Wow amazing
Heh -- talk about nostalgia; I *had* one of these Zenith Z-130s back in the day! In fact, it was pretty much my "daily driver" PC up 'til about 1991 or '92, IIRC. Unfortunately, mine was just the "base" model, where the I/O daughterboard only had a floppy controller on it, and no ISA slot. (There were three different daughterboard options, again IIRC -- the base floppy-only model, the floppy + ISA-slot model, and then the "top-end" model that had an ST506 hard-drive interface as well as the floppy and ISA cardslot.) So the 8087 math coprocessor socket was about the only upgrade I could do to it.
Still, I used it for years, until the monitor finally failed -- and even then, I stretched its life out a bit longer by putting a green-screen monitor on top of it, until I finally picked up enough bits and bobs at the local swapmeets to actually build a proper PC. (Since the 486s were hitting the market and becoming the "hot" item, there was a lot of surplus and secondhand 386 stuff hitting the swapmeets at the time.)
There's always something about those amber monochrome screens that I find oddly soothing.
Monochrome screen, floppy's... Awesome! :) Thanks for the video! :)
When this video popped up I had to watch. I HAD TO WATCH!!!!
At 1st i felt like i needed to watch, then i realized it hurts just having those memories revived again. Thanks anyway!
My company had three of these machines that people could check out if they wanted to do some work for home. Ours had 40mb hardcards in them in addition to the 2 floppys. I was doing deskside support at the time and would always have to got to the corporate library where they were stored and reset the hardcard in the ISA slot since it would get dislodged from rough handling.
Near that time I took a networking course and the person giving the course said that the upcoming release of Windows 3.0 would change the world. Had no idea how right he would be.
My favorite part is the mini crt ..along with all that old school tech .
I forgot how painful it was.
Now you reminded me.
You could probably also squeeze the MOUSE for your amazing WINDOWS OPERATING ENVIRONMENT inside that cubby.
This was my first PC! That I got as a kid in 1992, we grew up poor and only shopped at the Goodwill, and they had one of these there, I remembered wanting a computer so bad and this was what I got, it was fun to tinker with though.
I grew up in the greatest time, my first year of college was fall of 89’ I got my first PC in mid 90’, a 386 DX 40 which was an absolute mind blowing speed demon back in those days. I knew DOS like the back of my hand, along with a slew of other helpful languages at the time, I ran a BBS at my college, it was just the best time ever.
We came a long way from Windows 1.0...and glad we did. It's nostalgic but in the same time i don't miss that time anymore.
I love the retro colors, and they're pretty functional but also easy on the eyes. I wish there was an entire Windows 11 color scheme based around it. The color isn't just what makes it, but also the textures with the color, that have a bigger impact than if the color was uniformly solid.
thank you for taking us to past time travel in computer history ..
What I find interesting is that older PCs require users to be more programmatic with workflow like swapping floppy discs, cmd interface nav and changing drives. It's a given since old OSes aren't streamlined, but still fascinating that everything is user friendly now.
I remember working on an IBM version of that "portable" computer. Basically a full size case computer with a built-in mini-screen, tho the keyboard mounted to the IBM swiveled out and down to use.
Awesome dude! If you could install Windows 10 it would be even more gorgeus!
I remember the Heathkit/Zenith Data Systems computers. I had a Heathkit H89 computer the fully built models were labeled Zenith Data Systems.
4 mins ago...always look forward to your videos michael