INTERNATIONAL 3588 2+2 Tractor
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- In this video Big Tractor Power is out in the field with a 150 hp INTERNATIONAL 3588 2+2 Tractor and KINZE 2300 31 row 15 inch spaced planter. The 3588 2+2 is often referred to as a Anteater or Snoopy tractor. This video shares the tractors production history, specifications and list price.
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Back in the late 70's when these tractors came out, my dad purchased (3) 3588's for our Alabama cotton and soybean farm. They were great when they were running, but my dad ending up feeling like a "tractor tester" because he and his crew found all of the weaknesses. My dad met one of the engineers at some farmer event (I think in New Orleans) and he let the guy know about all of the issues. After that "chance meeting", IH had him send all 3 to the local dealer and they repaired everything that was wrong w/all 3 of them at IH's expense. He later sold all 3 in the early 80's because he still felt like he was working on them more than running them. But he ended up purchasing (1) 3788 (at a bargain price) prior to the local dealer going out of business. He kept that 3788 up to sometime around the late 90's when we sold the majority of our farm.
Still that is AWESOME that IH went out of there way to fix everything. The 70's 80's and early 90's were a time of hardship and mass innovation. Everyone trying to recreate the farming lifestyle and make it easier.
This is what I like to see, everyone’s unique setup.
Great to see the IH 3588 still going strong I enjoy mine everytime I use it
"If it aint red, leave it in the shed" great video. We farm with older IH equipment. Love the videos, long time viewer.
Thank you for watching. Go IH 😁👍
I always found it funny how when they were promoting the 86 series they talked about the exhaust being out of the way but on these right in the middle of the hood
Slightly off to the side but yeah😂
i must say it again, you have such a good mix of the old and new i love all of them thanks again!!!!!!
My granddad had a 3588 2+2 on his farm in the early 80's. He lost his farm during the 80s farming crisis and I was so young then I don't remember it. I always loved his stories talking about his 2+2. Pretty cool getting to see one in field.
The 1980’s were a tough time in farming. The 2+2 is one of my all time favorite tractors.
@@bigtractorpower "farm aid" and Willie Nelson being a raging maniac and well liked for that no doubt. "Fast forward to today" and suddenly there is a pipeline outage cutting off fuel to the entire US East Coast...for the umpteenth time I might add (the last time a watched this happen two massive Hurricanes hit back to back not even five years ago I think...Harvey then Irma.) There is an interesting backstory to the Colonial Pipeline and fighting off the German U-Boats of World War 2 but I won't bore anyone with the details save to say "it took the entire Federal Government of the United States to lay down The Big Inch" which as events have played out has hardly solved these incessant attacks in the least.
There is the even more amazing story of the War between the Mega-Banker JP Morgan and The Original Big Oil John D. Rockefeller who once controlled 90% of the entire World's oil supply the latter of whom "wanted to build a pipeline."
Apparently that War...and that was War back in the 1890s and oddly enough had the Erie Canal as a starring role...still rages on and for what ever reason I have no idea. Nobody wants this food being made on the Farms of North America to make it to their respective markets tho no doubt.
Definitely why the USA has an Army but just my two cents on this a rather odd time and place in being.
"On the one hand we're going to the Moon. On the other hand we're out of gasoline and diesel fuel."
Go Riddle me that one Riddler!
Anyhow...firesale at the White House!
Cool couches and chairs!
Still my favorite new IH tractor. Remember having many a cab ride in one as a kid. There's nothing like that new cab smell. Driving it, once I was a little older, from time to time was a neat experience. My favorite jobs were pulling the Gehl 1260 chopper with the Auto Max setup in hay & pulling the big Vibra Shank. The other favorite new IH machine was the 4000 windrower. I'll save that story for some other time, in case you post a video of one in the future. Thanks for the great video, Jason! Regards!!
Jason, your videos of the 2+2s working out in the field are some of my favorites! Thanks for putting in the effort to bring these to us!
I am always on the look out for 2+2s. My friend Bill filmed this one for BTP.
We see quite a few old 2+2's around southern MI. There's a farm we drive by regularly that has two of them and some old IH 4wd machines as well. They are cool old tractors. Over the years I have grown quite fond of the 2+2 series machines.
Great to see farming still being done the "old way". Row markers, straight pipes and black smoke.
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Love the older equipment.
The new stuff is cool but this tractor and planter was new when I was a kid.
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That is one of my favorite tractors
Love seeing some of the older power still at work !!
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Racing the rain in the background!!! Great video!!
I watch a lot of videos from a lot of farmers and I can see some of those great big fields the reasoning behind Auto steer GPS and all that on our farm yet we're small enough and the fields are small enough that we can see from one and the other still takes a lot of fun out of it I think and a lot of pride out of it I think using all that guidance stuff I can see the need for it in those large fields but also think back to the old timers and the pride they took in planning straight row and plowing a straight furrow and something that guidance and GPS has taken from us
I always loved this design and also the IH 30 & 50 series designs like the IH 5488.
I was already watching a big tractor power video and then this one popped up. Awesome!
😁👍👍 Thsnk you for watching. Which video were you watching ?
2680H high speed disc. I watch and re-watch all the videos. You do a fantastic job!
As always, a nice Video from one of my favorite tractors. And nice kinze planter 👍
Really like equipment from that era especially IHs! Great vid.
Thanks Jamie. It was a great era in tractors for IH.
When these tractors were introduced I thought they were just plain dumb. Now I think they are great! I spent $300.00 on a Precision Ertl with duals.
Go Red!!! Always liked the way they look, just looks like they want to work. Plus they sound amazing. Never operated one. Biggest I have is an 886, and everything I use is red, 886, 656 and M. Nice to see old school without all the fancy electronics. Always took some pride in how the field looks when it’s growing and seeing how it was planted.
The 886 is one of my favorites. Hood to feature a ROPS 886 this year.
SWEET.....!!!!
Very cool tractor
Great video on the 2+2
That is a very cool video love the sound of classic ih keep up the great work enjoy your videos.
Thank you for watching.
All your videos are amazing, I like them.
Finally another upload! I've been waiting all day!
😁👍. Lots of spring planting to share. Stay tuned for more videos this week.
@@bigtractorpower I certainly will
Cool tractor, the farm by me is tilling the field with a 9170 case IH pulling a 1233 sunflower disc and a 200 John deere seed beder
Beautiful tractor I use to run a 3588 and 3788 tractors and I miss it
Very nice. The 2+2 is one of my all time favorite tractors.
Cool tractor and it makes right noises too 😎
Good Evening from New Zealand, Great big tractor power Vlog, thanks for sharing, Have a great week
Thank you. You too.
Astounding that you need to explain how older machines use a planter marker and not GPS, but I get it. A lot of younger people or non-farmer folks see these and get to learn about farming. I love these tractors, one of my favorites ever. Keep up the great videos. I'm always looking forward to videos I the other green, Oliver, the finest in farm machinery!
The marker arm question comes up quite often. Many European viewers are interested in the marker arms as their planters are smaller and do not have long markers. I have some food Oliver haying videos on the way.
I like the tractor, but I love the Ranger at the end
I thought this set up looked familiar, this is our neighbors they have run this set up for quite a while. Always good to see it out
Where are you from?
Amazing 😍😍
Nice👍The kinze planters are awesome
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Now that’s a cool tractor! Just got in from taking a spin in the Minneapolis Moline and I figured this is perfect to watch!
Very cool. Which MM were you driving? I have a G-1000 Vista filmed that will be in the channel in the future.
@@bigtractorpower 1958 UTS Special with a Diesel engine from a UTS-D. Grandpa built it out of 2 tractors. 1 of a kind.
@@bigtractorpower I sent a few pictures of the tractors we got to the bigtractorpower email.
@@bigtractorpower Did you find one with MFWD? That would make for a great video. Haven't seen a whole lot of those.
Fascinating transport design on that Kinze.
The spin to transport planter made Kinze a leading planter company. It is a simple and effective design.
Great video on one of my favorite IH tractor
One of my all time favorites too.
The 2+2 looks very cool👍😁 nice video again😉👍
Thank you fir watching.
This tractor brought back no memories. Suprise! I can't remember one of these. Cool video!
It is a unique design.
Awesome video
Thank you for watching.
Hello! Classic oldie still doing the job. So does the old planter in a modern configuration.
Very interesting and unique tractor thanks for showing it to us
Thank you for watching.
I read the description and was trying to figure out what a "Snoppy" was. Glad it was actually "Snoopy" ... I know what that is!
Auto correct and I am not sure why it corrected it to that.
Excellent footage, thank you! In Germany, they call the rare Fendt 626 LS a "Nasenbär", which roughly translates to "giant nose". Frankly, this IHC is more of a "Nasenbär", and the design is quite unique.
Interesting to hear on the 626. The 2+2 was the first engine forward tractor. Today’s Case IH Magnum and John Deere 8R are front forward engine deigns. Even tough they do not articulate they are longer than a 2+2.
It’s definitely One of internationals more interesting designs
I have never heard of this tractor before and never knew they were in the UK, what a unique machine. Great video.
There are still a few in the UK. Very prized tractors for UK IH collectors these days.
@@bigtractorpower i can well imagine - what a beast.
I've always thought the 2+2 was a very cool tractor. Jason, do you know why International quit making them and why other manufacturers didn't come out with their own version? Always enjoy your videos BTP!!😁👍👍
That’s my style 👍👍
Dairy near me has one of these. Always found the design interesting
Yes the design that killed a company
Chad it was not the 2+2 that hurt IH. The 3588 and other models were good sellers for IH. The company began its decline at its peak in the late 1940’s. They keep the Farmall design introduced in 1939 in production through 1956. Other tractor manufacturers were innovating and started to eat into IH’s sales. IH also grow larger as a company focusing on industrial equipment, 1/2 ton trucks and suvs, solar generation and refrigeration equipment. This became a cash cow economic model. At the core the company made tractors and big trucks. The other divisions used profits from tractors and trucks to innovate and market. The other divisions could not support themselves and the core products lost r&d dollars to support the overall company. As a result the whole company declined over a 30 year period. In the late 1970s the United States placed a green embargo on the Soviet Union. Green piled up and it’s prices plummeted. At the same time inflation took off causing high interest rates reducing farms purchasing power. International workers went on strike in 1979 as the grain prices dropped and surpluses mounted. IH anticipating the tractor factory strike built a big inventory of completed tractors to sell during the strike and factory shut down. Grain prices plummeted in 1980 and droughts set in. Many farms nationwide went out of business. They could not make interest payments on their land equipment. IH had a big surplus of tractors they could not sell and had to pay double digit interest on. In 1982 IH sold its construction line to Dresser, Cub Cadet lawn and garden line to MTD, hay and forage to New Idea and Solar to a German company. Light trucks and SUVs were discontinued. Unfortunately selling the divisions only put a cash band-aide on the company’s problems. The agriculture crisis depended and by 1984 IH had to sell its agricultural division to keep the truck line going. It was not until 1987 that farming began to improve. Case IH emerged and International Trucks carried on.
Very very nice joson
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Great seeing a part of IHC in the 2+2 in action planting the soybeans.
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Lovely tractor. As they are so rare in the UK the name "snoopy" was used initially for the sloping bonnet models from Deutz-Fahr and now also for the sloping bonnet MF models.
Interesting to know.
Very nice!
Thank you for watching.
@@bigtractorpower It is a very nice video and it is great to see these tractors working. I have two 3588 2+2. One of them is restored totally. The other one is under restoration.
Greeting from Hungary .
That was a great video. It is nice to see farmers using some of the old-school stuff.
Thank you for watching.
A nice pony.
I love it😍
We use a Case CX 90 from Doncaster and IH 533.
The 533 is from Neuss.
This tractor allways works like a clockwork.🙂
Very nice.
Nice to see the older tractors and equipment still in the fields working. A farm close to me had two of these in the early 1980's. That's a neat nickname, the anteater.
Thank you for watching.
My stepdad bought one new in 81,we stuck it bad first time out,good times
these things are so cool, i got drive one around at my friends place a odd but fun machine
Very cool. I would like to get behind the wheel of one done day.
@@bigtractorpower crossing a road is a little scary with the nose out there but pretty awesome Machine otherwise they can turn really tight
This is a rare tractor and a good looking
One of the best looking ever IMO
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The only thing I really liked about it when cultivating with a 12 row you didn't have to count the spacing . It took a few trips across the field to get things figured out . Gladly my boss was just trying it out .. I don't think that tractor would work well in our operation . But it was the bosses decision & didn't get one ..
J'aurais tant aimer tester ce tracteur c'était mon rêve
Most of my family bought the 2+2 when it came out. At the time I didn’t think anything would ever top it.
Seriously? They were junk even when new
Very cool. They were a stand out in the early 80’s.
When I was a kid growing up on our family farm in the 70s and 80s, a few of the "big time" farms had fleets of 4 or 5 of these big tractors. One ran corn and beans, one ran cabbage and another ran sugar beets. We still have plenty of elevators for grain and the "kraut company" is also still operating but, the plant that used to process beets has been nothing but a warehouse for years. The family that ran corn and beans still uses a couple of these tractors today.
Very cool. I grew up in WNY. Lots of cabbage in the region in the 70’s and 80’s. Where are you from?
@@bigtractorpower Northwest Ohio. Still a lot of cabbage here.
Those bellows that cover the articulating centre of the tractor must be extremely expensive or a pain to install because you almost never see them ...great video of an iconic tractor
We have them sitting in the shed, just haven’t got around to putting them on lol
Tratorzao e forte💪💪💪 👍👍👍👍👏👏👏🚜🚜🚜🇧🇷
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Lovely machine, I have baby IH, 1949 Farmall Super A
There’s another red power classic at 9:00.
This is one of my dream tractors it's hard to find one here in Saskatchewan
I have an IH 620 press drill brochure that shows a Wheatland 3788 on a four section model. The Wheatland 3788 has larger singles and no 3pt.
@@bigtractorpower IH made a Wheatland 3788 2+2? I didn’t know that. I liked the look of the 2+2. My dad told me about when he saw one back in the early 1980s.
That looks a very big tractor for 150 hp, considering what sort of outputs you'd expect from top of the range tractors nowadays.
During this time period the biggest articulated 4wds were around 250-300 hp. A 150 hp row crop tractor was a big machine at the time. It was not until 2006 that hp really began to jump in row crop and 4wd tractors. By 1996 tractors had grown to 225 hp row crop and 425 hp 4wd. By 2006 they were 255 hp and 450 hp. After 2006 row tractors jumped to 305 hp, 335, 360 to 400 hp in ten years. 4wds went to 500 hp to 600 hp in ten years.
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Believe it or not these were very popular in Australia.
Very cool.
My automotive teacher Craig has one to this very day he does seeding plowing forage harvesting
Different moving
I have often wondered what the big drawback to having the cab behind the pivot. There has to be one IH is the only I know of to market that configuration.
There is not any draw back that I know off. When you look at a modern Case IH Magnum or a John Deere 8R they have the same front forward engine design as the 2+2. In fact a new Magnum and 8R is longer than a 2+2 they just don’t articulate.
@@bigtractorpower you put a tractor I always liked on here. To me if that 2+2 concept would have been carried over to CaseIH, they could have made more of them. Looked like it was quite maneuverable. I’ve read a good bit about that tractor from International Harvester.
Them didn't have a power shift transmission like you said. I've put many hours on our 3588 bought when had 100 hour sold when had 19,600
I think he’s referring to the T/A.
The price guide lists a 2 stage power shift. It probably was indicating the TA.
19600hrs not so bad!
Great video. Is this tractor available for sale? If yes. How much does it cost?
5,000,000
I would like to own one. My neighbor has 3 of them on his ranch. I have a 460 ih and a 7140 case ih. Tough old tractors.
It would be a neat tractor to own.
Theres a farmer down the road from me who has 3 of these. Not sure if they are 3588s but they are the same type.
Very cool.
Furst one here from Nebraska
Very cool. Thank you for watching
What are those folding arms on the ends for?
To mark where the center of the tractor will be on the next pass. It’s to keep things straight
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The 2+2s were pretty cool tractor! It has the 86 series cab. 4 speed?
3 speed, same transmission as the 1586
@@gjh12 yea. We have one of those.😌
No it’s a 4 speed. 3 speeds only came in the 3788 and 6788 modes the rest were 4 speed.
Yea. We have a 1586. Wish it had a 4 speed. Not the best chore tractor. Does the job though. Lol
@@benkpsnyder yup we had a 3788 but we much prefer the 3588 lol
I want one, but shipping it oversee will cost a few 1000 and then there is the tax fee :(
Does this planter have an alarm system that alerts the driver when the seed is not being dropped?
It does.
@@bigtractorpower Thanks.
The early 2+2s weren’t not big tractors way more traction yes, 33s were 130 horse, 35s were 150, 37s were 180
What? Youre seeding without GPS????
Some times I think it works better this way.
Has there ever been a V8 swapped 2+2?
Not that I know off. I have seen a Deutz air cooled engine put in a 2+2. The tractor even had the spring green Deutz hood.
On the 2+2 tractors if you put duals on the rear AND front axle the outside duals would rub each other prior to full steering lock.
My family bought a new 3388 in 1979. I don’t remember if we ever put duals on the rear but we never had them on the front. It was a different tractor to drive. We had the first one in our area.
As the farm that owns this 2+2 and another loaded up with duals at one time, that is not true. You can turn ours all the way and the duals will not rub. All about wheel spacing. If spaces in the right way yes they will run.
Cool looking tractor, just not so great designed. You have well designed tractors and some that didn't quite compare to other brands in terms of quality or life. Cool looking tractor but, wouldn't want to own one.
I wouldn’t want to not own one...
Way better tractor than most believe
@@potterfarms5012 isn’t that your set up?
@@michaelandrews2134 yessir
Well besides the obvious: Black wheels that’s wrong, should be red wheels from the factory on 3588! And the Front grill is wrong too, should have Black mesh with silver bezel and grill squares to be true factory 3588! I’d would guess somebody trying to make it look like a 6388 or 6788 which is way more rare than 3588! Other than those imitated features not at terrible tractor!?
Well some times you film what you can find until a more factory version shows up. I like to find those restored factory versions but they are far and few in many cases so I take what I can find at the time to highlight a tractirs history.
The worst tractor I've ever worked with in the early '90's..... in South Africa we called them Pinnicio's. That cab was a basic tin can, with a useless aircon, continues oil leakes at luckily blew it's engine at only 3489 hours.... good riddance!!!! Also felt like a lab monkey!!!! The first MAGNUMS then came out... what a joy..