Roland JUPITER v2.0 - Vocal Designer & Roland Cloud Connect -New JUPITER-X / Xm Synthesizer Firmware
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A new video from JUPITER-Xpert introducing System Program 2.0 for the Roland JUPITER-X and JUPITER-Xm synthesizers! The 2.0 firmware update makes way for two new options for the X/Xm platform: a new VOCAL DESIGNER Model Expansion available through Roland Cloud, and compatibility with a new device, the WC-1 WIRELESS ADAPTER that connects the synth to Roland Cloud through the Roland Cloud Connect app for iOS and Android.
TIMELINE:
0:00 Introduction to 2.0
0:44 Vocal Designer Model Expansion
2:48 WC-1 Wireless Adapter and Roland Cloud Connect
5:03 Final Notes
6:11 Vocal Designer Demos
Get the 2.0 update and new docs at:
* JUPITER-X *
Updates and Drivers - www.roland.com/global/support...
Documentation - www.roland.com/global/support...
* JUPITER-Xm *
Updates and Drivers - www.roland.com/global/support...
Documentation - www.roland.com/global/support...
Vocal Designer Model Expansion and updated JUPITER-X Editor available through Roland Cloud - www.rolandcloud.com/
More details at the Roland Channel on CZcams - / rolandchannel
Roland Demo - • Introducing Vocal Desi...
Get the JUPITER-Xpert Guide, my free downloadable PDF that tells you everything you need to get started, whether you’re an experienced user or brand new to the synths - bit.ly/jxguide (direct link to PDF)
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Thank you for this overview (and everything else you do for the Jupiter-X/Xm community).
You're welcome, but big thanks to Roland themselves who went out of their way to make it possible for me to show all this on Day One!
Thank you Robert for all of your guidance with the X and X/M.
This is awesome, going to install right away
Was waiting for it, seems way more powerfull that i imagined.
It’s certainly more than I expected. I feel like calling it a vocoder is akin to calling filet mignon “meat” 😄
Blown away by how creative this vocoder is. This ripped the scales for me
PINNING THESE UPDATES:
For those who are curious: yes, there is enough room for the Vocal Designer, JD-800, and still two Wave Expansions on the X/Xm. And maybe a little room for the future 😉
Also, here’s more info clarification on the WC-1 and Roland Cloud Connect:
- The WC-1 does not have to be plugged in to use the downloadable Tones or Expansions.
- But it does need to be reinserted once every 30 (or before) power cycles to “phone home” and keep those installables operational. The clock resets whenever the WC is reinserted.
- The user will get a prompt starting at 20 cycles so as not to be surprised.
- The first year of Roland Cloud Pro membership comes with WC/RCC. At the end of the first year, the user can just renew RC at Pro level for another year ($99) and keep it going. Or not.
- So take these additional details into consideration when making a choice to purchase $149 Lifetime Keys (which continue to work without an RC subscription, but still require RCM and an account), or to give the WC/RCC plan a try for a year before deciding, or choose “neither.”
Thank you for this information. I think it should be in the video itself. I wouldn't buy WC-1. About the vocal designer, does it let you vocode with any tone and/or part you have on the synth, or does it only work with sounds that were made specifically for it?
@@anonymoushuman8344 They are pinned updates because the info came out after the video. Vocal Designer must be used on Part 1. You can use any of the thousands of Zen-Core (4 partial) tones, including Wave Expansion tones, as a custom carrier with most of the algorithms
Thank you.
Wow~I have just checked out your channel. There is everything what I need. Thanks again for leaving the comment on my channel. 😆😆
Finally, now we can talk !
Amazing extension, 👏 Roland
very helpfull - nice sound presentation
Great video!
Can you please provide me advise on the following:
How do I setup the arpeggios on a Jupiter-X, so that they play independent from each other other multiple keyboard splits? I tried to setup keyboard ranges for each parts, but no matter what I do the arp's do not play independent. Play an arp on one split and it affects the arps on other split. It looks like the arps cannot be separated and are triggered by the entire keyboard, despite the key ranges. Thank you in advance.
I could careless for vocoder, but this is amazing!
Awesome 🎉
Great video! Quick question: where did you get the colored dots on the lowest row of buttons? I love them!
Nice!!! Thanks
Nice Video In Displaying The Vocoder!
Do you happen to know if you can load up Vocal Designer inside the Fantom 06 or the Fantom (Flagship) or the Juno X?
Wow! Roland is doing the right thing.
Wow I did not know this was coming - cool! Did you sell your Xm or is it still there somewhere? The X looks awesome... 👍🏻
Xm is still here, in another room hooked up to the FANTOM!
Excellent
Maybe it's time to order one now:-)
Ho ho ho! 🎅🏻 😄
We've come a long, long way from Sparky's magic piano :-)
Hi Robert, I hope you are doing well. I didn't see recent videos from you. You should definitely continue.
An idea for the next one : a "from scratch" tutorial on the Jupiter X/Xm with v3.0 and all the UI enhancements they've made so far.
I'm on Xm and I learned it the old way, so now I'm a bit confused with all the changes since v1.5, then v2 and v3.
I hope Roland will do it's own series too.
Hi Alexandros, I definitely want to create more videos and soon, especially with 3.0 now out. I agree, what is needed is an entire re-introduction to the X/Xm. I would love to delete my old useless videos! I had started on such a project in December (with 2.0) but ran out of time before starting a new job, which is keeping me so busy. I’m glad I didn’t do them, they’d now be out of date too! But the 3.0 X/Xm bare no resemblance to the JUPITERs of 2 years ago, and I really want to set the record straight and demo all of the better workflow and features, on both synths. I want to get to these as soon as time allows, as they remain my number one synths on a day to day basis. Thank you for checking in, and for your patience!
@@RobertSaintJohn Thanks for the reply ! Glad to read that you're still on it ! I hope Roland will also make some official tutorial series starting from the basics, the Xm particularly needs this as it has more shift functions/layers of control.
The new engine sounds awesome and solves my interrogations on the initial limits of the Jupiter X model, I'm thinking this is how it should have been fom the start, better late than never ! The Jupiter X model is now a very powerful VA synth to do sound design with.
The fact they unleashed the model will make it less confusing for us who want to do sound design right on the unit as we will have less "not available" messages on the screen when creating/tweaking a preset on the Jupiter X model and the mapping will make more sense. Though we still have access to SH, JX for their own particularities when we need to. Much more coherent overall.
I wish they added more filter models though, like a TB-303, MS-20 and ARP filter ! They have 3 other slots with SHIFT + the filter buttons 😉
@@RobertSaintJohn Some 3.0 videos would be fantastic to see!
Great demo, think I will wait until we get some clarity on the new subscription levels. Having the expansions included in a subscription would be good. Why not release the WC-1 for Xmas...
I’m sure they wanted them in stock and ready to sell right now, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it was held up by the same shipping issues most others are having
Thank you for all of these great resource videos. Newbie question. My Jupiter X is the original software version...do I need to update each version or can I just do the 3.0 from the 1.0?
You can definitely go directly from any earlier version to 3.01 (minor update in the past week or so). You'll be glad you did!
@@RobertSaintJohn thank you for all the cool Info!
very sympathic !!!
Hey, Robert ! Thanks for all the valuable Jupiter information you provide !
Can you tell me if the Jupiter xm has a shuffle function in it I could find? The Jupiter X has the knob.
Xm doesn’t have the dedicated knob, but it does have the same function. And it’s a function you can map to one of the sliders, if you wish
@@RobertSaintJohn
Super !! I will now get the xm model. Thanks for all your expertise ! Keep up the great work !
Hey Robert - Question for you. I emailed this to Roland Support, but maybe you know since you have the WC-1 already. I'm a Roland Cloud ULTIMATE subscriber, and I see the WC-1 comes with a PRO 12 month subscription. How are they handling the credit towards either your renewal, or adding time to your existing subscription? Maybe they add 6 months if you have ULTIMATE since it's twice the price? My Roland Cloud subscription term is up at the end of this month so I'm trying to understand how adding the WC-1 to my JXm will work, and what I need to do or whatever... Thoughts?
Check out this page and scroll down, the answer is buried in here. My understanding is that they append this free Pro membership to whatever plan you currently have.
www.roland.com/us/support/knowledge_base/?product=roland_cloud_connect
I bought the X...The more I hear the vocoder I want to do it!
Have subbed 😁
Dear Robert! Coul'd you tell me please, how it sounds in mix of instruments in live group or live concert?"
Sorry, I only perform live in a small basement studio for my chihuahuas! 😄
What is the grey fronted synth to the left of the video screen?
My customized System-1m
Very cool thx for the video !
No auto-pitch though ?
No, you know I meant to look into that, but I don’t think that’s in this expansion. That was in the V-Synth, yes?
@@RobertSaintJohn let's hope they just add it in next firmware. Same as on the MV-1 would be cool.
This is awesome. The question I have does it give you access to the vocal expansion or do you have to buy the lifetime key before you can use it? I just got the lifetime key for the System 8 and JD-800.
You still have to buy the Lifetime Key for Vocal Designer. Or if you get the WC-1, you can “borrow” Vocal Designer and install it using that, without buying a Lifetime Key.
@@RobertSaintJohn that’s the great thing about the cloud. After a year you can choose which one you want to have as lifetime. So since I do monthly getting the WC-1 is a no brainer. Have you tried the sounds yet in the 3.0 update ???
@@jerzboybeats9555 oh yes, 3.0 is a brilliant update!
Thanx Robert for the demo. I imagine that when you unplug the WC stick you loose the access to the bank/expansions? Is it acting like a copy protection?
Good question. I was able to remove the stick but still play anything I had downloaded, so there was nothing immediately apparent like that. It wasn’t mentioned when I was briefed, but it’s a good point. I’ll look into it and reply back 👍
@@RobertSaintJohn could you test: unplug the stick, power off , power back on without the stick and see if VD is still working ( assuming you did not put a lifetimekey in your jupiter). Thanx a lot
@@rcmusic35 Good idea! I’ll try as soon as I’m back up and running. I removed all the beta stuff last night and have to reconfigure the adapter and app and my system licenses so that it’s “real world” and attached to a non-tester account. Will report back later
@@rcmusic35 Updating and testing done. Complete factory reset and using the release app and logged into my RC account (and newly registered RCC Pro account). Downloaded and installed VDME through the app and WC-1, 15 seconds. Confirmed the install. Turned off X and removed the adapter. Turn X back on and VDME still installed and active. So all good there, but for how long? 🤷🏻♂️ I’ll try to find out, and do a multi day test, once I get my other installs back in order.
@@RobertSaintJohn thanx a lot. Seems too easy, no? ( you know what i mean)
Can you use this expansion on any part or is the vocal stuff still tied to Part 1 only?
Part 1 only, must be something special in the audio path for that one
@@RobertSaintJohn thanks, I will have to play around with it. I wonder if the trick still works to get dry vocal from the other parts.
@@jasmine2501 I’m not sure, what’s the trick? Worth noting : you can mix/balance the regular Mic Line input with the Voc Input in VDME Tones
@@RobertSaintJohn if you choose the vocoder for your tone on part 2-4, it will pass the mic straight through that part, applying effects and mixing levels to the vocal from both the part and the scene. You can essentially use the part as a vocal amp.
@@jasmine2501 Well huh! Learn something new everyday, I’d never even tried it. Now YOU are the Jupiter-Xpert, go make some videos, I’m exhausted!!! 😄
Interesting that it’s Bluetooth *edit: it’s actually wifi* as I expected it to be a WiFi USB adapter since Jupiter xm already has Bluetooth on board. I wonder if I can use a generic Bluetooth stick with it as I already have a Roland ultimate subscription… and those adapters can be had for about $9 … I’d guess it’s got some drm capability… glad the feature has been added but not sure I get the $100 price point for the adapter(I can see it for the added pro subscription but many of us already have that). Thanks for the quality video
WC-1 is WiFi, you actually have to use the app to configure its access to your router. The app is like an interface to it and the cloud access, but the only Bluetooth check is the app locating your systems’ IDs. Everything else seems to flow through the WC-1, which is why it’s so fast
(I can definitely imagine this device and service will eventually work with other hardware, it just got on the X/Xm first)
@@RobertSaintJohn ah ok , you stated that it’s a Bluetooth dongle in the video. That’s what confused me
@@Fluxwithit Yeah, I referenced BT and went on to talk about the WiFi, probably clumsily, sorry for the confusion. Suffice to say: “It’s a floor wax AND a dessert topping!” 😂
So my understanding is that the dongle creates a BT connection with a mobile device which then communicates with Roland Cloud through Wifi. If yes, not sure why they don’t just use Jupiter X/Xm built-in Bluetooth to do that. Or does the dongle actually have a Wifi receiver and connects directly to Roland Cloud ? Not sure I got it right.
The WC-1 uses both BT and WiFi, and it is what bridges the WiFi connection between the JUPITER and access point (router) to the Cloud. The app is essentially an interface for the WC-1. It seems convoluted, but I suppose necessitated by their desire for licensing and content protection. At least the user experience is very nice.
@@RobertSaintJohn I have no doubt that it’s cool to access Roland Cloud through the device directly.
However I wonder if this couldn’t have been achieved with the built-in Bluetooth capability.
I’m not crazily tempted to buy this WC-1. Not to mention it’s terrible brand name 🚾🚽😂.
But man I’m so tempted to get the Vocal Designer Expansion. I’ve never even imagined we could have so many different sounds by combining them with different carriers and settings. I always thought of vocoders as having one sound and a few settings like chorus. Now being able to tweak these and get my own vocoder voice is quite unique.
By calling this « Vocal Designer » though, I was expecting they would ship it with auto-pitch functions as well. Let’s hope those are reserved to be built-in a future firmware.
Would it be silly to think Roland could add this as an expansion on the mc 707 ?
Perfectly feasible with the 707 Mic In and much the same hardware as the X/Xm, I would think. But I’d bet the FANTOM gets it next. It will be interesting to see if Model Expansions come to MC next year
there is still no way to search through the preset tones???
the text is so small on the editor, it's hard to search through it
No, still no search feature, but the new app has a great search (name, model, category) and the ability to favorite Tones. Faster than and more flexible than search on my Fantom
@@RobertSaintJohn where is the search in the editor app? I can't find it.
is there another app to be using?
@@embededfabrication4482 I’m speaking of the Roland Cloud Connect app in this video, that works with the WC-1 wireless adapter. Unfortunately there is as of yet no similar search function in the Editor comparable to what they have in Zenology
Great...if you get a USB adapter that works. I had to spend $150 for one from Japan and when I followed all the instructions to connect it to my Jupiter Xm, found it was a DOA adapter. Brand new, out of the box, DOA. I'm very disappointed in the lack of quality control when paying that much money for such a small thing...
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It's always the case with vocoders, you really don't know what to say (sing) into the thing... especially if you aren't a singer. I end up saying numbers and 'check 1 check 1' on my Ultranova.. But am getting a Jupiter X in the new year, so will get the vocal Designer and cloud connect with it.
Have you ever tired the Shure WH20 headset microphone with the JP-X vocoder before?
Yes, I think I even have a video or two using it with the Xm. It works fine, but the cord is a little short and I think the full-size SM58 seemed to pick up the dynamics better.
@@RobertSaintJohn I have an AKG C520L but it is so uncomfortable you would not believe it! Roland actually advised me to buy it. But I am unsure if the JPX is even compatible with a condenser mic?!
@@monsterjazzlicks Can’t use a phantom powered condenser mic, has to be dynamic
@@RobertSaintJohn Well the unbelievable matter is that a Roland telephone agent recommended the AKG!!! That and the battery pack cost me almost 400GBP!!!
@@monsterjazzlicks UGH! Tell them to RTFM! I'd lol but it's too pricey a mistake for them to make
Awsome synth...AWSOME...But...."HORRID BEND/MOD WHEELS"...Where is the bend Stick?
JUPITER-X has one, Xm does not
Are they charging for the Vocal Expansion.
Yes, it’s US$149
@@RobertSaintJohn ok thanks.
Is a lifetime license $150?
Yes, $150 for the Lifetime Key. Though now that the WC-1 with Roland Cloud Connect is widely available l, I think most would find it the better deal. Borrow anything related to X/Xm, including Vocal Designer, for $100/yr is like All You Can Eat night
@@RobertSaintJohn I think that I would only require the Vocal Designer because it's the fundamental reason I bought the keyboard.
U N B E L I V .. Cooooolest Voc .
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Roby - Great thanks& resp .!!
For a much better demo piece, see @Gattobus video at czcams.com/video/-nOwJZph818/video.html !
The wireless adapter is amusing to me. They actually found a way to charge you a fee (average $90) for a device that circumvents a USB cable (average $10) and allows you to download expensive expansions for your synth wirelessly through your home router. Brilliant. I circumvented this money grab by running an extra-long USB cable around the room to my keyboard rack and simply unplug & plug it into any of my Roland synths when I need to work on the PC. :)