Roland JUPITER Xm Review and in-depth tutorial // ZEN-Core engine overview

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  • čas přidán 2. 07. 2024
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    TIMELINE:
    0:00 Intro
    1:00 Overview
    3:00 Connectivity
    3:40 16 Buttons
    4:00 Scenes
    4:35 Parts
    6:20 Models
    8:00 Model assign
    9:20 Function
    9:55 Partials
    10:50 Drum kits
    11:55 Effects
    14:20 I-Arpeggio
    18:00 Sequencing
    23:00 Model control
    25:20 Osc & filters
    27:25 JP-X model
    31:30 Menu layout
    34:15 Pros & cons
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Komentáře • 641

  • @RP-mp4ow
    @RP-mp4ow Před 4 lety +7

    Oh man. I never thought I’d hear “sail away” in a loopop video.
    Thanks for the compelling and informative video

  • @farquoi
    @farquoi Před 4 lety +4

    thank you for the production of this video, with the index and the zoom-in on the display. It's incredibly well made.

  • @winddealer1
    @winddealer1 Před 4 lety +35

    I can't imagine how long this took to edit. Great content as always. Excellent review again.

  • @rrocktoo
    @rrocktoo Před 4 lety +7

    It’s gone 2.30am and I was going to bed, but decided to quickly check CZcams for anything interesting. Sleep can wait... Love these reviews.

  • @JohnMcGFrance
    @JohnMcGFrance Před 2 lety +1

    Great review as always. I’ve ordered my Jupiter xm and will be referring back to this video when it arrives. Thank you.

  • @montageproductions
    @montageproductions Před 4 lety +4

    Another effortlessly elegant review! The 1st 30 secs had me doing a google search on my second screen for the price.

  • @whoadog8725
    @whoadog8725 Před 2 lety +5

    The Jupiter X/XM just got an update that makes it significantly easier to use. Yay Roland!

  • @paulheartsongs
    @paulheartsongs Před 3 lety +2

    This is the big OP-1 I’ve been waiting for!

  • @JohanWave
    @JohanWave Před 4 lety +23

    I just got this synth and have been playing it almost constantly for the last 24 hours. 😂 So much fun! Many great presets and opportunities for sound design. Actually I don't like mini keys, but I can just connect it to my full size midi keyboard if I need more octaves and bigger keys. Excellent review, Loopop. //Johan

  • @digitaldiezel5870
    @digitaldiezel5870 Před 4 lety +6

    My God Man, very thorough review!!! Good things come to those who wait!!! Thank You!! Roland pulled me back in with this one!! I love this synth and its flexibility! Maybe I’ll grab one by next Christmas!! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

  • @CHUCKYCHUCKYBOBUCY
    @CHUCKYCHUCKYBOBUCY Před 4 lety +12

    I’ve long thought, “I want a Jupiter... but they’re so huge...”, now I will be getting one this month.
    This is the absolute best channel.

  • @knocturnaljimmy
    @knocturnaljimmy Před 4 lety

    Open up CZcams and what do I see!
    A new loopop video, just for me 😊
    Tonight I’ve been reading reviews of the X-m and getting really interested in it. Desperate to know and hear more. Lamenting the fact that I knew loopop didn’t have a video of it.
    How happy I am to be proven wrong!

  • @RobertSaintJohn
    @RobertSaintJohn Před 4 lety +18

    Easily one of the finest deep dives you’ve ever done. I’ve had the Xm for 4 weeks and still don’t move around it as comfortably as you’ve demonstrated. But it’s also the last synth I plan on buying for the foreseeable future, so I’ve got all winter at least to dig deep! Two additional votes here for a *good* software based editor, and transposable step sequences. Despite the Xm’s challenging UI, I think the Xm is a winner, definitely a keeper for me. Well done, L!

    • @Bigjuggs64
      @Bigjuggs64 Před 3 lety

      How does it sound ?

    • @RobertSaintJohn
      @RobertSaintJohn Před 3 lety +1

      @@Bigjuggs64 Just over 1 year later and it remains my “go to” synth for nearly everything. It sounds massive and it keeps getting better with updates and new models like the JD-800

  • @Chrispy01a
    @Chrispy01a Před 4 lety +2

    Another no nonsense quality review. Thank you.

  • @markhall3323
    @markhall3323 Před 3 lety +4

    Thanks for the video really helpful. I have this synth and it is a marvel: compact, well made, full of features. The 3-octave keyboard, built-in display and sequencer are what made it for me. As well as all the complicated stuff you can use it as a portable piano running on batteries with the built-in speakers. I would happily have paid two or three times as much for it now I know what it can do. I have never owned something so complete I can’t see a rival that comes anywhere close. I mean, I *really* like it!

  • @originalfallinggirl
    @originalfallinggirl Před 4 lety +13

    Great video Loopop! I love this synth but it’s really pricey. I hope they let you keep yours because you deserve it. You probably understand it better than the engineers. Thanks again for another spectacular video 😊🙏

  • @ShazammtheProducer
    @ShazammtheProducer Před 4 lety +1

    The video I have been waiting for

  • @riffshredington2776
    @riffshredington2776 Před 4 lety +29

    As always a brilliant job on this monster keyboard.
    I bought this little guy thinking I would just use it when I needed something
    portable but the power of this thing is so massive I can’t stop
    creating songs with it.
    The ability to layer 5 parts and pull in and out various tones makes
    this guy great for studio as well as live.
    You rolled through the basics which is super helpful to me since Roland
    writes the worst manuals on the planet...thanks

    • @sirvidia
      @sirvidia Před 5 měsíci

      it's more than double the price of the Jd-XI, which I've discovered has a lot of hidden depths. Does this offer much more?
      Also wondering if it's worth selling my V-Synth XT to get this

  • @digitaldiezel5870
    @digitaldiezel5870 Před 4 lety +1

    FINALLY!! Thanks 🙏🏿! You’re the man!!

  • @dougbeck7472
    @dougbeck7472 Před 4 lety

    What an excellent review! Thank you!

  • @robinspiers8109
    @robinspiers8109 Před 4 lety +1

    WOW! I thought I knew my stuff, you should host online seminars, thanks for such an in depth tutorial. I appreciate how you present, as most are not as articulate without running on and on...

  • @beesting6135
    @beesting6135 Před rokem +2

    This synth is just beautiful ❤️

  • @jeremystorm3902
    @jeremystorm3902 Před 4 lety +1

    Would love to see some additional videos from you on this synth.

  • @greim3516
    @greim3516 Před 4 lety

    Best Gear Channel !

  • @AllIn1Studio
    @AllIn1Studio Před 3 měsíci

    A very comprehensive dive into this synth. Thank you. I’m dizzy with options!!

  • @dankefurnichts
    @dankefurnichts Před 4 lety

    new review, instant thumbs up ;-)

  • @InterstellarMedium
    @InterstellarMedium Před 4 lety +5

    Thanks! Excellent tutorial! I have recently purchased the Jupiter Xm and I am delighted with it! I had been hesitating about the full size Jupiter X or the System 8 for several weeks. But I know I made the right choice. The Jupiter Xm has the fabulous advantage of being compact and portable, without any compromise on features or power (it has all the features and power of the Jupiter X).
    The System 8 is also great, but I found its polyphony to be too limited - I would have expected nothing less than 16 voices for a flagship model. Also a shame the boutique models are not already 8-voice capable instead of 4 (it would probably just have taken an extra ESC2 DSP and ESMT memory chip in the boutique to achieve this). Perhaps the ESC2 is very expensive (The ESMT clearly isn't as the D-05 has already two.) I have had no issues with the menus. They are quite easy to use. The I-Arpeggio is fabulous, I found it better than what is available in software (on the iPad).
    The vintage synth emulation is excellent - I do not notice much difference vs. the Boutique versions. The drum machines are good but I found that they do not match the sound I get from the TR-09 or TR-8S.

  • @fredgaskit
    @fredgaskit Před 3 lety

    Excellent review, thanks.

  • @chrissteffers6931
    @chrissteffers6931 Před 4 lety

    Excellent excellent excellent review! A seperate video about the I-arpeggio would be very much appreciated.

  • @RicardoDiLago
    @RicardoDiLago Před 4 lety

    Great review, great synth!

  • @MusicFed
    @MusicFed Před 4 lety

    Thanks for your time. This video is very helpful

  • @Aardmanfan888
    @Aardmanfan888 Před 4 lety +4

    Great comprehensive video! While it certainly cannot replace the occasional look into the manuals, it more than once nudged me in the right direction. After playing this little darling for around three weeks, it has proved to me as an invaluable mobile sketchbook and sound library. Most of the models I have owned and worked with for years, and it was fun to reunite with my old synth buddies. Handling (after a short learning period) is such straightforward, that I often prefer to quickly draft an idea with the XM than to fire up my whole synth rack. The information displayed on the small screen (in combination with the front panel knobs) is absolutely sufficient here for working on sounds and structures. Of course, soundwise it's mostly a festival of Roland classics, and if you seek for absolutely unheard synthesizer sounds (and a fullsized keyboard), you will probably look elsewhere. (Personally, regarding this topic, I will never give away my Jupiter-80 from 2011.) Nevertheless, this is a classy package, has lots of memory space for selfmade scenes and tones and can be played and taken anywhere. In less than five seconds booting time, you will start to create music!

    • @sawssman965
      @sawssman965 Před 25 dny

      exactly the info i was looking for. thanks bro!

  • @elcoollow5955
    @elcoollow5955 Před 4 lety

    Love the videos

  • @argiopeMusic
    @argiopeMusic Před 4 lety +7

    Would love a desktop/module variant of this little beast.

  • @shpongled587
    @shpongled587 Před rokem

    The category function is very nice!

  • @SynthgodXXX
    @SynthgodXXX Před 4 lety +46

    Excellent review! I can't believe all the haters of this synth! Too much menu diving? I can handle the diving! It seems like it will be FUN to explore! A+++++++++++++

    • @philipslade6810
      @philipslade6810 Před 4 lety +1

      Rik Marston Official their called “Synth Sluts” imagine the pioneering synth groups late 70’s like Human League etc getting their hands on this and bemoaning the “keys size”, “Menu diving”. Makes me chuckle.
      ,

    • @karimnasser9226
      @karimnasser9226 Před 4 lety +1

      If the goal is to explore, sure.

    • @illford6921
      @illford6921 Před 3 lety +1

      I'd think this is more of a workstation than a synth, so there was naturally gonna be menu diving

    • @01duration
      @01duration Před 2 lety +1

      Have you bought one ? I DONT THINK SO,, I have and what a waste of time.

    • @SynthgodXXX
      @SynthgodXXX Před 2 lety +1

      @@01duration yup, I've made a few videos of the XM in action. It is a fun synth but I prefer the System-8 for the ACB instead of ZenCore

  • @MarcWeertsMusic
    @MarcWeertsMusic Před 3 lety +2

    Thank you, thank you, thank you! I just got one and really love the sound but the weird way the buttons work was completely confusing me and the manual didn't help at all. Your video was a lot of help!

  • @SyncdAlien
    @SyncdAlien Před 4 lety +1

    Very interesting!

  • @setphaser
    @setphaser Před 3 lety

    i love your reviews for revealing the usability of the complex interface. this looks like it could replace my FA-8 which i only keep for the orchestral sounds like xylophone vibraphone strings and organs....

  • @KunchangLeeMusic
    @KunchangLeeMusic Před 3 lety +1

    Just got this - I need tutorials - but it’s awesome

  • @BRAPO
    @BRAPO Před 4 měsíci

    This is like the C3PO jUNO-X TUTORIAL, Amazing

  • @steelcitysi
    @steelcitysi Před 4 lety +4

    11:34 thank you sir I 100% completely agree - I bought one for Black Friday and it can pretty much replace my entire rig if it had a sampler model that could sample from the inputs, like an S-700 model. I also wish the RD model had some of the RD electric pianos

  • @chrissteffers6931
    @chrissteffers6931 Před 4 lety

    This is so helpful, thank you very much! really really really good video. (almost a song, lol)

  • @klarnamemeta6556
    @klarnamemeta6556 Před 2 lety +1

    Tried that baby at a music store in my hometown until my seven year old daughter showed up&it was hard to get her away from that awesome machine...already a legend!

  • @brentvirgin4902
    @brentvirgin4902 Před 3 lety +1

    Would love to see you make an “addendum” to this video to briefly show how the software editor that Roland released has impacted the workflow. I have a Roland JD-Xi that also suffers from menu diving, but someone programmed a software editor for it and it completely unlocks that synth and makes it one of the most powerful $500 synths you can buy. For example, just finding the waveform for a partial is WAY easier in a drop down list on a PC screen then going through them 1by1 in the menu. Anyway, a video on the Jupiter X editor would be appreciated. And might also reinforce to Roland and other synth manufacturers that a patch/librarian editor should be standard fare with any synth over $1000.

  • @RikMaxSpeed
    @RikMaxSpeed Před 4 lety +1

    Great demo of what is clearly a super complex synth. I think the menu-diving is partially reduced by the many knobs & buttons on the front panel. Polyphony & sonic arsenal are amazing, as is the sound quality. But I now have to wait 6+ months for the 5-octave version??!

  • @hillock10
    @hillock10 Před 4 lety +6

    Finally, finally, a manufacturer has created a synth to compete with software synthesizers. The XM has 4000 sounds, which can be layered and edited, and 90 drum kits. That is impressive. The sound capability is extensive to say the least. I am considering buying one.

    • @Aardmanfan888
      @Aardmanfan888 Před 4 lety

      You won't regret it. I've got one for ten days, and it's a dream. Steep learning curve, but it's worth it.

  • @pouyannazerifar4462
    @pouyannazerifar4462 Před 4 lety

    thank so much for mading this video

  • @troypol343
    @troypol343 Před 4 lety +29

    Good review/demonstration. I bought the Xm and returned it. It is the first synth I ever returned with a particular retailer that I have been buying synths from for years.. Felt bad about it but this new Jupiter was a disappointment. The ABM models have decent sounding filters but ACB is better at emulating the classic Roland analog synths overall. There is a distinction in the two technologies (I have a System-8 and JU-06 and JP-06) that deal with the behavior of the classics and I prefer the more realistic ACB emulations. Also the UI on this is horrendous, where a lot of menu diving is required. Do not forget also that The XV-5080 engine the Xm emulates isan almost 20 years old PCM based sound module. It would have been nice to see the Supernatural synth engine improved rather than literally rehashing a previous module. I was Okay with the RD mode on it. Overall I was expecting more from Roland's top of the line Jupiter. Would have been nice to have a mash up of the Integra module (with an improved SN synth engine) and the System-8. Alas, at least Roland added more real time control than the previous Jupiter-80/50 had. I may visit the Jupiter-X when it comes out but I wish it had an ACB model and an updated synthesis engine., you know, something new!

    • @The_Invisible_Man
      @The_Invisible_Man Před 4 lety

      Troy Polaris totally agree with you

    • @Pulse2AM
      @Pulse2AM Před 4 lety

      I look at it as a inspiration song writing synth, it has plenty of sounds for the music I make and you can tweak for days.

    • @DonnDeVoreMusic
      @DonnDeVoreMusic Před 4 lety

      agreed. that PCM sound library goes back more than 20 years. Roland JV-80 from 1992 had some of those patches then later expanded in the XP keyboards and XV modules. Maybe Roland is preparing us for the resurgence of retro 90's music.

    • @Locosynth
      @Locosynth Před 4 lety +15

      It does have an updated engine. The XV-5080 is a vintage model engine not the main engine. The Zen Core engine is an update of the supernatural engine and certainly expands on what is in my JD-XA. This video covered that engine at the end. Your comment makes it seem like this synth is a repackaged. XV, it is not. I have the system 8 also and the models on it do sound a bit better but these are pretty good and way more polyphony. The effects in it seem to be identical to the ones in my 500 series Boss pedals. Same menus. I think same screen too. I had the opposite reaction to you when I got mine. I initially thought it would be mediocre, probably an updated JD-XI, but I was wrong. This mini synth blows all of the others away. Keyboard reminds me of the Reface keys, which are great, and it is super portable and well built. It sounds incredible and plays incredible and the menu is actually fairly easy to get around. Much easier than JD-XI. Most powerful portable synth I have ever owned. I wish the drums were more programmable though. The jd-Xi could layer drum parts and it had probability velocity triggers, like Elektron gear. This seems to miss that. But this is not really a groove box and JD-XI really was.

    • @maccagrabme
      @maccagrabme Před 4 lety

      What is better about ACB?

  • @final_mile_music9713
    @final_mile_music9713 Před rokem +1

    I have a studio with a Polybrute, prophet 10 and Pro 3 SE but I’ve just ordered one of these for it’s immediacy. Being able to sit by the fire with this on my lap or take it away with me without the need to boot up the studio and computer is the reason. I suspect I’m going to use this as much as the full studio.

  • @janne-seta
    @janne-seta Před 4 lety +7

    Roland was obviously short on key and screen stuff, but had an excess of shift buttons and menu pages in stock.

  • @von_Apa
    @von_Apa Před 4 lety +3

    Thank's for a very good tutorial! Since this synth came out I have been wondering - Is most of the content in Jupiter X also available in the new Fantom?

  • @a2roland
    @a2roland Před 3 lety

    Thank You.

  • @AlbaEcstasy
    @AlbaEcstasy Před 4 lety +10

    Roland always made iconic synths, some of them unappreciated at the moment of their release. Great demo!

    • @SPAZZOID100
      @SPAZZOID100 Před 4 lety +2

      I predict this will NOT be one of them.

    • @mindtones770
      @mindtones770 Před 4 lety +1

      @@SPAZZOID100 I second that!

    • @AiryckSterrett
      @AiryckSterrett Před 2 lety

      I love how ironic these comments are 😅

    • @elantric
      @elantric Před 9 měsíci

      Jupiter Xm appears to be the basis for Boss GM-800 Guitar Synth

  • @RobertAdachi
    @RobertAdachi Před 4 lety +4

    Nobody really mentions this but I love the music you make as well as the review! I first realized how good it was when I watched your video on the Analog Four MK I after the release of the MK II. Excellent job, as usual! Roland should have released the bigger X first so that we could appreciate the compactness of the Xm, IMO.

  • @monsterjazzlicks
    @monsterjazzlicks Před rokem +1

    This really is the absolute best video for a newbie of the XM. Is there are part 2, please? Thanks, Paul

    • @loopop
      @loopop  Před rokem +2

      Thanks! No, just this, though you could watch my Juno-X review, which is sort of the same platform - perhaps there are a few. things there you might find useful

    • @monsterjazzlicks
      @monsterjazzlicks Před rokem

      @@loopop Many thanks!

  • @christoroppolo8742
    @christoroppolo8742 Před 4 lety +1

    Very focused . I love it! Peace Christo 👽🎶🛸🐕☮️🙏

  • @Rominayyy
    @Rominayyy Před 4 lety

    Thanks loopop. Excellent as always. Is there not any live recordind mode in the sequencer ? I can’t beleive it in such a powerful machine.

  • @GreenHoleSun
    @GreenHoleSun Před 4 lety +3

    I have read quite a lot of negative comments about this piece of hardware but I suspect that many people are missing the point.
    Many compare the Jupiter Xm to the korg Minilogue xd, but they are very different machines with different purposes: the korg is a partially analogue 4 voces synth with a basic sequencer, this Roland is actually a mini workstation/arranger made to be portable and autonomous from any other device.
    You can use it to sketch your musical ideas everywhere: can't you see the potential? Yes, the OS is kind of crude and looks like it is still "in development", but, if Roland want, this device can become fenomenal with the proper software updates since the hardware is powerful and well built.

    • @mixterpragmatic392
      @mixterpragmatic392 Před 2 lety

      I have both of them and the Jupiter Xm is much better.Can’t even compare.Specially in the bass, the korg is weak,in my opinion.Jupiter Xm is amazing overall.

  • @wedream2
    @wedream2 Před 4 lety +2

    It's complexity reminds me of the D70: 5 part multitimbral plus rhythm per performance ("scene"), reverb/delay/chorus/flanger options for each performance, up to 4 tones per part (patch), tones edited from sampled sounds through menu diving and a lot of synth parameters to edit, up to 4 zones on keyboard that can split or overlap/layer. But no arpeggiator or sequencer, for which the D70 fell short of being a workstation. (This kept it as a play station). With only 4 assignable sliders to edit tones or parts, menu diving is unavoidable on the D70. JP-X and JP-XM thankfully have a more extensive control surface. The arpeggiator and sequencer certainly add to the complexity, but also to its playability/musicality. I wish the D70 had at least the sequencer. If the JP-X could duplicate my favorite pads on the D70 (Ghosties, Space Dream, Prologue, etc.) I'd replace the D70 with it, even though the JP-X has fewer keys. Don't like the mini-keys on the XM, nor all rotary knobs instead of sliders as on the full keyboard version. Apart from my preferences, great review!

  • @starglider101
    @starglider101 Před 3 lety

    Now we want the Jupiter-X review and tutorial, please.

    • @loopop
      @loopop  Před 3 lety

      I don’t have one but I believe it pretty much the same thing

  • @sierrawhiskey5144
    @sierrawhiskey5144 Před 4 lety +1

    To be honest, my big interest in this was getting my hands on a modern device with JX8P/JX10 capabilities and the other engines were pure bonus for me. But I would want to use this as a module. Would love to see sound editor software, especially if I can port in SYSEX patches for the JX. Maybe I should just invest in a dated JX10 instead.

  • @vvm583
    @vvm583 Před 4 lety +234

    Could have easily been named Roland Neptune Xm for all that diving you're going to do.

    • @charleszaman7666
      @charleszaman7666 Před 4 lety +17

      Underrated comment

    • @PeteKowalsky
      @PeteKowalsky Před 4 lety +30

      Thankfully it's not the "Uranus Xm", right? ;)

    • @RikMaxSpeed
      @RikMaxSpeed Před 4 lety +22

      I think the menu-diving is over emphasised, in practice most of the parameters can be tweaked straight from the front panel, what he showed is the massive parameter list that you get if you go through all parameters in order. All of this is actually fairly classic Roland, my old Fantom did the same thing, and even showed you the parameters for all 4 partials at the same time in a huge grid.

    • @BrandonRyan
      @BrandonRyan Před 4 lety +4

      @@RikMaxSpeed Exactly. And you can also easily jump to the appropriate section of the menu.

    • @dirkkeersmaekers4343
      @dirkkeersmaekers4343 Před 4 lety +3

      @@RikMaxSpeed I hope there is coming out a editor

  • @schn3ur
    @schn3ur Před 4 lety

    Hi @loopop! I love your videos so much! I was wondering if you could make a video on the Roland Fantom. I loved your video on the Yamaha MODX and would love to see what you have to say about the Fantom. Thanks for making these videos for us! You are awesome!!

    • @loopop
      @loopop  Před 4 lety +1

      Thanks very much! Yes, I want to ... but can't say yet when.

    • @schn3ur
      @schn3ur Před 4 lety

      @@loopop I ended up finding a great sale and buying it, but I would still definitely love to hear what you have to say about it.

  • @andrelewis3942
    @andrelewis3942 Před 3 lety

    Great breakdown! The Sequencer is based on the V-Synth sequencer which I've always found confusing to use melodically. You also briefly mentioned Step Modulation sequencing which you can also route to pitch. I realized this is basically the Integra/XV5080 engine (PCM based editing) mixed with parts of the V-Synth (Sequencer, Vocoder and VA Osc emulations).The menu diving is the same pain in the butt for all the XV series, although this one seems a bit extreme. Perhaps the Integra editor on Android/iOS may work with it?

  • @jamesowen3118
    @jamesowen3118 Před 4 lety +5

    Can’t wait to get the Jupiter X in April.

  • @knocturnaljimmy
    @knocturnaljimmy Před 4 lety +17

    Regarding the menu-diving:
    Menu-diving is a catch 22 for designers. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
    Most medium to large synths tend to have the same amount of front panel controls (often using switches on medium synths to match their larger siblings).
    As such, if you leave it at that with no menu diving, then you get criticised for not enough granular control.
    Whereas if you give total control over every parameter conceivable, your an asshole for menu-diving.
    The other option is an enormous interface like the CS-80 with its switch box. I’d like to see how many of you could fit one of those in your studio, let alone one for each synth you own.
    Also manufacturers have tried to address this in the past with optional controllers (like the JX-3P) to expand front panel controls. I don’t remember that taking off either.
    Alternatively you get purely menu based synths like we had in the 80s. Good luck programming a DX7.
    So friends, menu-diving is the best we’ve got. It’s not often pretty, it’s often painful, but it hits the mark right in the centre.
    Hopefully as time goes on we will get better interfaces and UX (looking at you any synth designer ever). After all, no one complains about the usability of VSTs. mned if you do, damned if you don’t for designers.

    • @shaft9000
      @shaft9000 Před 4 lety +2

      the real problem is that it's a rehash of rehashes.
      they didn't decide what this synth is for, so instead we have this: "guts-wise it is a groovebox evolution with keyboard interface stuck on, oh AND it's a Joopiter that fits in a smaller space - but not TOO small because the Botiques were definitely too small"...all without delivering a Jupiter sound

    • @danielmenefrego
      @danielmenefrego Před 3 lety

      Underrated comment.

  • @MoogDoog
    @MoogDoog Před 4 lety

    Seems like a fantastic idea/jam machine but I can't imagine trying to produce on it

  • @nebuladus7850
    @nebuladus7850 Před 4 lety

    Thxsomuch💥🙏💥stay safe🏵

  • @spybloodjr
    @spybloodjr Před 4 lety +5

    The best part about these new Roland synths is that they're making synths like the JD-XA more affordable.

    • @spybloodjr
      @spybloodjr Před 4 lety

      czcams.com/video/5bTQii6iHx0/video.html

    • @spybloodjr
      @spybloodjr Před rokem

      3 years later and the jdxa price has gone up considerably and I just recently purchased the xm. Sheesh!

  • @Individual_two
    @Individual_two Před 4 lety +9

    Thank you for this very extensive review of the Jupiter Xm. The Xm reminds me of a 90's digital synth/workstation in both a good and a bad way. The good is that it offers a variety of sound engines and enough presets to keep most users happy. The bad is that the UI requires lots of menu diving and button push combinations (including some functions requiring the dreaded "SHIFT" key) to get to the "good stuff". The UI Arp is weird and fiddly. The step sequencer is stuck in the 90's,. Also, I wonder about the quality of the mini keys, the cheap plastic pitch/mod wheels and (short-lived) function push buttons that seem to be borrowed from the bargain JD-Xi.

  • @syrupcore
    @syrupcore Před 4 lety +4

    Never been a fan of the aira green lights but the whole "this control doesn't work with this model" thing you stumbled into is handled fairly well on the plug-out synths by turning off the control's light.

  • @karimnasser9226
    @karimnasser9226 Před 4 lety

    Thanks for the review and taking the time to learn how to manage this synth. The synth sounds great but the interface panel is too complex for my taste, I would spend more time getting a sound configured than actually playing the synth. This is not uncommon among some other synths as well, but with so many features it is inevitable there will be menu diving or multiple button pushing.

  • @cemolcay
    @cemolcay Před 4 lety +10

    This synth looks amazing. Roland did very well, again! BUT - I wish they take advantage of the Bluetooth technology and make it contollable with an iPad app, like op-z does. It’s kinda painful using that much functionality with a tiny screen and bunch of knob-button combos.

  • @yoothfilms
    @yoothfilms Před rokem

    outro has a penny dreadful vibe :) love it!

  • @jdtorian
    @jdtorian Před 4 lety

    Demoing an XM now. I cannot decide between this or keeping my mc-101. 101 winning, which i did not expect. Agreed that it does too much, but I know it must be amazing, somewhere in there

  • @gaborb6577
    @gaborb6577 Před rokem

    Coooool🎉

  • @knocturnaljimmy
    @knocturnaljimmy Před 4 lety

    Would be great if you could compare the vintage sound banks/emulations to the Arturia V collection, given they are both software.
    Plus you could pick up the V collection, with a dedicated Arturia controller for around the same price or less as this unit. Plus you get about 20 additional synths, however that’s minus the effects, splitting, drums and AI stuff.
    Despite those differences I think it would be a worthwhile comparison as many people are still looking at how well modern Roland devices recreate those vintage sounds.
    Would be nice to know whether software or hardware is the current winner.

  • @shahidkamal
    @shahidkamal Před 3 lety

    A thorough review as usual, great work. Are you aware of a computer based patch editor for this that might alleviate the menu diving? I noticed you mentioned your desire to see a companion app, and wondered if such a beast now exists?

    • @loopop
      @loopop  Před 3 lety +1

      Thanks! Yes, Zenology Pro should work (I've not tried it yet)
      EDIT: Seems like this might work too: mididesigner.com/qa/8087/layout-jupiter-xm-zen_core-editor

  • @Pastramowitz
    @Pastramowitz Před 4 lety +1

    Soooo. I blame you. I bought my XM 7 days before you posted this. I returned it 1 day before you posted this... OY. If I only had this 1 day earlier. Now time to repurchase. Such an amazing Synth and you helped my learning curve instantly on things that frustrated me. Thanks, @loopop I need to learn if you have not made the video yet I should hold up on the purchase. hahaha

  • @martinstubs6203
    @martinstubs6203 Před 3 lety

    After some serious thinking I at last understood your symbolic label, a loop and popcorn. For a long time, I thought that was a trashcan, as if you made all your videos, which I do think are extremely high class, for nought.

    • @loopop
      @loopop  Před 3 lety

      I'm glad that issue was cleared up! Thanks for watching

  • @darrenweight5972
    @darrenweight5972 Před 4 lety +1

    Well done sir. I’ve had one in my cart for two weeks... I plan on buying the Jupiter X once it ships but I’m impatient. I’d be selling my System 8 if I buy the Xm to help absorb some of the price (and studio space) for the X. I need to find a comparison of the System 8’s engine vs the new Jupiter stuff. I like the System 8 well enough and still use my XV88 for all the classic PCM stuff. To have both in one unit would be super useful.
    Thank you again!

    • @parasphere
      @parasphere Před 4 lety +1

      Darren Weight well the System-8 obviously has the most accurate emulations of the two. Ask yourself are you just buying stuff because you’re bored? Or because you think every new product is better than the one before it?
      The ACB in the System-8 is the best available emulation technology from Roland ATM.

    • @MrStupidHead
      @MrStupidHead Před 4 lety

      @@parasphere I dont think that question is answered. The J x and the System 8 do have different modeling methods true. And we've been told by Roland themselves the newer tech is somehow less intensive. But the issue of whether one or the other is somehow better is, I think, still up in the air.

  • @AudioReplica2023
    @AudioReplica2023 Před 4 lety +1

    oh damn....the models section sold me already ..specially when I heard the Enya patch...lol. The only thing I dont like is the pitch and modulation wheel. I find the modulation / pitch joystick found on the XP series is way controllable and confortable to use.

    • @justaname1862
      @justaname1862 Před 4 lety

      TOTALLY AGREE...those "Yamaha" type WHEELS are absolutely Horrid....its impossible to do quick accurate pitch Bends Live...They just face the wrong way. To be honest, having wheels is a deal breaker...although with this Synth you could use a controller. The other thing with Rolands Pitch Stick is you have Modulation and Bend in one control.
      I suppose it would be best to use the XM purely as a Sound Module.

  • @JeffCfreeradiorevolution

    Question: has there ever been a time that so many hardware synths have been on the market? It seems like there are so many being released.... thanks for your great work!

  • @robbhanson2403
    @robbhanson2403 Před 3 lety +4

    Can you sequence out an entire song on here with several scenes (or whatever they're called), play it back, and export to midi.

  • @tommychampion8483
    @tommychampion8483 Před 4 lety +1

    great video as usual! when you mention it has some d50 patches, how many from the original? In other words, if someone owned the d-05 boutique, would the xm contain all the same sounds?

    • @whoadog8725
      @whoadog8725 Před 4 lety

      Tommy Champion Curious about this as well...

  • @alexandrosroussos
    @alexandrosroussos Před 4 lety +3

    Thanks for the video, very well done as usual. The main features I believe the XM lacks are :
    - no physical buttons for the filter envelope editing (I know it's not a Moog or a mono-synth but still, I think many of us got used to tweak the filter env)
    - the sound card doesn't have a "generic driver" / class compliant option (this is really something I can't understand with Roland products ! they're the only synth makers with proprietary vendor drivers)
    - the ability to store more than one sequence pattern in a scene
    The two last can be fixed through firmware so let's hope. That unexplainable lack of class compliant mode is definitely a show-stopper for now.
    Otherwise, this is an excellent sounding synth. Sound quality and taste has always been a strength in Roland products.

    • @alexandrosroussos
      @alexandrosroussos Před 4 lety +2

      Just noticed there's actually a button underneath to choose if I want to control the envelope of either the filter, or pitch or amp ! Nice !
      This means anything I'm missing (multi-pattern/part and class compliant mode), can be fixed in firmware !

  • @WxkR
    @WxkR Před 4 lety +8

    This is just a great synth. But as with a number of Roland pieces, most people will hate it until they learn to appreciate it. The reactions of disappointment against the JD-XA are still fresh in my mind. Now, suddenly, comments praising it are spreading through the Internet. In any case, how many multitimbral synths with a complex arpeggiator/sequencer under the price of this one are in the market? Perhaps Roland’s insistence on keeping “legacy” sounds and names alive are preventing people to hear what their new gear is capable of doing. I recommend checking the Anderton’s video about this keyboard. The very smart Roland representative does away with all the “classic” shell of this synth and focuses on the complex timbres and rhythmic structures it can produce. It’s great.

  • @felipefs106
    @felipefs106 Před 2 lety

    Regarding sound generation, the difference with the mc 707 / 101 is that those don't have the "Model" expensions? do those expansions run on Zencore too or something else is added?

  • @syrupcore
    @syrupcore Před 4 lety +4

    Why do so many keyboard manufacturers skip using the keyboard itself for control? Especially on a synth with this much complexity, that's 37 additional input controls! Could label them like Novation does on the BS2. Or skip labeling and use them for more generic/intuitive things. For instance, hold shift and hit a key to jump through those massive menus-low key is toward the top, high key is toward the end.... Or on any text screen-including the not-yet-added search screen-use the keyboard for text entry (this becomes very fast/intuitive after you've used it a few times).

    • @illford6921
      @illford6921 Před 3 lety

      Because not everyone can play the keyboard effectively and also why the hell would you use unlabeled keys as controllers

  • @PeteKowalsky
    @PeteKowalsky Před 4 lety +1

    Thanks for this - very timely - mine arrives tomorrow - cant wait!!!!!! LOL @ 31:07 "That's it" ... LMAO man this is going to take forever to figure out hahaha! Definitely not for everyone, and I hope Roland releases a MacOS/iOS editor so I can get into some sound design stuff. First hardware synth in nearly 2 decades for me - I really hope it won't disappoint since the demos I've seen are pretty inspiring!

  • @embededfabrication4482

    how do you hold a note in the sequencer?
    is there a way to make the midi controller input stick so you don't have to set it every time you turn it on? same for bluetooth?

  • @cockur
    @cockur Před 4 lety +4

    Great review as always. Thanks. It wasn't mentioned, but this Zen Core engine is entirely different from the ACB tech Roland have been touting right? Seeing as there's so much "VA" in this new synth, why didn't they use ACB here??

    • @loopop
      @loopop  Před 4 lety +1

      Thanks! They said ACB is more processor intensive and didn’t allow for as much polyphony as the VA tech here

    • @cockur
      @cockur Před 4 lety

      @@loopop Makes sense. Thanks

  • @zachary_attackery
    @zachary_attackery Před 2 lety

    does it have all the same drum kits that were originally on the XV-5080? I looked up a sound list and it didn't have the drums for the 5080, but I assumed they were just grouped in with all the other drums?

  • @FunkTree
    @FunkTree Před 4 lety +10

    Roland you did it again; a mechanical 19 century sequencer without life/randomization? The AI arp doesn't move much while playing either , So back to the karma type arpeggiators on korg devices:), LP thanks for this great overview.

    • @BrandonRyan
      @BrandonRyan Před 4 lety +3

      19th Century?

    • @BrandonRyan
      @BrandonRyan Před 4 lety

      @Depose The Wicked LOL! Highly sophisticated, and rustic!

  • @neonether
    @neonether Před 4 lety

    I must say, I really didn't like the idea of this synth at first. I wasn't impressed with how nothing appeared to be new. But since I don't have anything from roland made in the last 30 years, this unit does an awesome job of nailing all the synths in the model bank (jupiter, juno, jx-8p, sh, etc) and also offers some pretty sweet stuff in the zen core engine. I find myself continuously being inspired with the sounds coming out of this XM. Overall, I'm thrilled with it and do not expect to be hawking it like I half expected to after grabbing it for a sweet deal. Whoever says it doesn't create a jupiter sound is delusional. The engine is killer and for the most part indistinguishable from the real thing in virtually all mix scenarios. If you have a system 8 or something new like that, this probably won't be anything new. For my use, I'm loving it much more than I expected to. Add some expansion packs in there and it's staying in the studio.

  • @20680
    @20680 Před 4 lety +6

    ill get to Jupiter faster than learn all those menus, the sounds are good, but that black hole e too deep. good review as always.

  • @noahdugan6331
    @noahdugan6331 Před 4 lety +1

    A beautiful instrument with utterly endless possibilities... to me, (regarding the I-arpeggio) the instrument begs the question of its user “what is composition?” Not necessarily declaring anything one way or another. Maybe some follow up questions.. is this technology improving our creative process AND our results? Or is it technology improving our results but actually reducing the creative process and growth. The I-Arpeggio rather does away with the “blank canvas” phenomenon. Would does this mean, and is the definition of a musical composition changing because of that? Either way, the XM looks fun as hell!

  • @OperantSound
    @OperantSound Před 4 lety

    So how do these mini keys compare to other minis? What mini keybed are they closest to in feel and play?

  • @jim2b1
    @jim2b1 Před 2 lety

    Wonderful video. Is there a way to connect an external monitor to a Jupiter-X in order to read the screen more easily?

    • @loopop
      @loopop  Před 2 lety +1

      No, but Roland has come out with software that acts like a screen for the Xm