Best Pocket Hole Jig- Armor Auto- Kreg 720- Massca M2
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- čas přidán 17. 06. 2024
- In this video we will see which pocket hole jig is the best. We compare Armor Tools Auto-Jig, Massca M2 Pro, and Kreg 720 pro. Which one is your favorite? Let me know in the comments below. Don't forget to check out our T-shirts.
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Massca M2 Review:
• Best Pocket Hole Jig
Kreg 720 Review:
• KREG K720 Review
Armor tool Auto-Jig Review:
• Armor Tool Auto-jig
Chapters::
0:00 intro
1:11 price
1:41 durability/ features Armor
2:54 durability/ features Massca
5:07 durability/ features Kreg
7:41 drill comparison
8:36 overview
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Yet another great video bud. Everything is always explained so well so we can decide what works for us.
Sweet. Thanks Earl. I'm glad it helps. Thanks for watching and commenting buddy. 👍
Thanks for the side-by-side comparisons!
Thanks Jeff. Hope it will help someone pick the right Jig for their shop. Thanks for watching and commenting. 👍
The Massca jig with the Creative Tool Company mounting system makes it an easy decision. It is a solid piece of equipment that is an absolute joy to use!
I absolutely agree. It was brought to my attention after filming, that Massca also has a steeper angle. If that makes sense. Apparently, it hols the joint better. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. 👍
Mike, I’m brand new at this but all of your instruction is easy to follow. Even at my level. You are a great instructor. Many thanks!
Thank you Louis. That really makes my day. I sometimes think that I may be breaking it down too much. Or spending too much time on one thing or another. Then I see a comment like this. That makes me feel like it was worth taking the time. Thank you for watching and the compliment. 👍
Nice video Mike! Great job on laying out the pros and cons of each setup. After watching your review, I feel confident in knowing which product is right for me based upon my shop and my needs. Thank you!!!
Thank you so much Stephanie. I'm glad it helped you decide. My goal was to highlight some differences between the brands. And which one is best for your shop. So.. I'm glad it helped. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Awesome review!!!! I own the K-5 and I love it!! The massca looks like it’s built really solid!! Thank you for the content!!
Thanks Ronnie. Massca is really sturdy. Although, I hear nothing but good things about the K-5. I have the K-4 and use it occasionally too. Thanks for watching and your continued support my friend. 👍
The Armor Auto is fantastic. Plastic yes but very thick plastic. It seems really durable. We’ve done a lot building with it.
Thanks jjeep, I like all of them Armor is a sturdy one for sure. Thanks for taking the time to comment.
Thanks for the great info. Im planning on investing on a pocket hole jig soon l The Massca looks solid
Thanks. The Massca is more my style. I learned after I made the video that Massca has a steeper angle. If that makes sense. It seems to pull the pieces together stronger. Thanks for taking the time to comment. 👍
Awesome video and summary, Mike! I've been using my 720 Pro and have generally been happy (I'm also one of the weirdos that uses it in the 90 degree rotation for narrow, but long, pieces). I'm not thrilled with the drop in plastic quality vs. the K5 (quite disappointed, really) and the unit is just so big! If I were to buy one right now, I think I would go with the Massca M2, just as you recommended.
Thanks Cole. I remember seeing your review where you used the 720 for panel sheet goods. Like I said everyone's shop and neefs are different. I think if the 720 was built like the K-4, K-5. It would probably have been my choice. If you interested in the Massca M2. I would reach out to them. They are a wonderful group of people. They also love to work with creators like yourself. Just a thought. Thanks for watching and commenting. 👍
The Harbor Freight pocket hole jig is exceptional. It’s all aluminum construction, sturdy, accurate, and affordable.
Thanks Joseph, I haven't done a review on that one yet. I have heard some great things about the HF picket hole jig. I think I may have to review it soon. Thanks for taking the time to comment. 👍
Hey Mike! Thanks for the review. I have the k5 and love it. Not planning to switch until something happens to the k5.
I hear that quite often. I had the K4 and didn't get the K5 because it was holding up so well. So I totally understand. I think all 3 are good and I use them all. Thanks for watching and your comment. 👍
Good content Mike, very informative
Thanks Brad. I enjoyed this one. And now that I've used them a bit, it was easy to review. Thanks for watching and commenting buddy. 👍
I just got a 720 pro. My first pocket hole jig and first time doing pocket holes. I love it just because it's so easy and quick to setup and change sizes.
Thats awesome Gary. I like the ease of use with the Kreg 720. The plastic could be a little stronger. But I use it often. Thanks for taking the time to comment and enjoy pocket hole joinery. 👍
@@Woodcraft716 I agree with the plastic. It could be a lot better. Just have to be careful with it.
Thank you. I did not even know that there where other Jigs besides Kreggs.
Sweet. Hopefully my opinion helps. Thanks for watching and your comment!
Thanks a lot for this really informative and nicely done video. I have a Milescraft pocket hole jig that has worked wonderfully for some years, it has the same form factor as the Kreg k3 jig but smaller in size and less expensive. After experiencing that jig I was convinced I don't need to spend a lot on those Kreg jigs, they are way overpriced. Now I'm looking for a pocket hole jig to make it fixed in a base, like the ones in this video. I really like the Massca M1 and M2 models, they seem to be well constructed and cost a lot less. Also there's a brand called Howod that has a nice all metal pocket hole jig at an excellent price. I guess most of these jigs are made by the same manufacturer in Asia and then rebranded.
Thanks Jelly G. I really like the Massca. Not to mention, their customer service is very good. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. I really do appreciate it!
Great tool review and comparison!! That Massca looks sturdy.
Thanks guys. I know Massca loves working with content creators. Might want to reach out to them. Super nice people. You never know, could be another tool review. Thank for taking the time to comment.
Excellent video my friend thank you for helping me make my decision!
Thank you James. I'm glad it helps. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. 👍
The massca is built like a tank and I love it. I totally agree about the cheapness of the latest Kreig jigs. I really like the original one, the ones after that have progressively gotten flimsier
Thanks Mr. T. I agree the Massca is built to last. I don't know if it matters to you. But, I know the new Kreg 720 is made in China, with cheaper plastic. And Massca is made right here in the USA.
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. 👍
Yeah, the original 1980s Kreg is an all metal, little beast! It is a bit crude in its design and construction, and of course no vacuum capability, which is really necessary in production use, but I have had it for about 40 years, I think, and it's indestructible!
Thank you again!
Thanks Tumbleweed. 👍 I hope it was helpful.
Much appreciate you breaking these down old Dunn Tire buddy.
Thanks Michael, lol Dunn Tire. Wow. That was a long time ago. Hope all is well. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment my friend.
Thank you, agree MASSCA is the clear choice, good review
Thank you. I really enjoy the M2 one thing I noticed is the angle of the M2 is steeper as well. I feel this gives a stronger joint. Thanks for taking the time to comment. 👍
Great review thank you.
Thanks Mr. Bill. I hope it will help people find the right jig for their shop. Thanks for watching and your comment. 👍
Good job Mike! I'll stick with my K5 for now as it's still working just fine. If I had to replace my K5 I think I'd go with the Massca and replace the hold down mechanism with the auto-adjust from the Armor. Someone (can't remember who) did a video on it and I believe you can change it out. :)
Thank you Lawrence. I am considering switching to the auto-adjuat myself. I know Woodworking Garage did a video about it. Looks great. Thanks for watching and your comment my friend.
Great video my guy, conveyed a really relatable informational, methodical, unbiased as one can hope for and kept a great pace, I’m all for details but sometimes dudes just yammer on about the glass nylon injection molded case
Thanks Jeff. Glad you liked the video. I appreciate the feedback as well. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
I’d buy the M2 because of its durability unless I were making cabinets, then I’d buy the 720 because of the closer two-pocket holes option the other two don’t have. I would have liked to see the pocket holes cut into different materials other than construction lumber. I’ve heard the 720 makes the cleanest, splinter-free pocket holes because it clamps tight with downward pressure as well. Thank you for the video!
Just got the auto-jig. Excited to use it. I feel like it’s east of use is underrated. I think it’s the closest thing to the K5 in regards to build quality. I want to agree with the masca being the best choice here but there seems to be too many moving parts for me. I just want something that gets me to making pocket holes quickly and accurately.
Thats awesome Israel. Congratulations. A fine choice. Keep me posted on how you like using it. If you don't mind. I like to get feedback on how people like a certain tool. Thanks for taking the time to comment. Best of luck.
Hands-down it would be the masks jig Once again love your videos keep it up
Thanks Donald. I'm glad you liked it. I saw the Massca M2 is on sale for $90. Thats a sweet deal. Thanks for watching and your incurring comment. 👍
Been using a Kreg K5 for many years. One feature I like about it is that it has two storage compartments that slide into dovetails on the drilling base that also function as support extensions for longer material. I keep the standard drill bits and related items in one compartment, and the micro bit in the other. I wish it had the locking mechanism of the 720. If you do a lot of face frames, the drill spacing on the Kreg makes its simple. If the Massca had this feature (don't see why Massca can't modify a future model) I'd replace my K5 with the Massca. One drawback to all it seems is the screw length for what passes as 3/4 plywood nowadays...always need to jack with the stop collar setting to keep the screw from popping through the backside of the material...reat PITA.
Awesome video and I do love my Massca M2 as well but no experience with the other two. Sure seems the Kreg could be built better at that price. Great video.
Thanks Chris. I think if the 720 was made as well as the K-5 , I would have chosen it. But, it just feels flimsy. Their aren't too many good plastic tools, when it comes to longevity. (Another reason the M-2 is superior) thanks for watching and commenting buddy. 👍
How is the wear of the numbers on the M2?
I returned my m2 after the first use because clamp started scratching paint and I didn't see the numbers it lasting, also the collar adjuster seems easy to lose, and having to deal with all the screws was a pain. I got the Armor portable model and it's flimsy like a Kreg, but has better plastic. If I was building something more important than a chicken coop I would probably not use Armor's portable jig because of the flex.
I have had a Kreg K4 for a few years now and long to get a Massca one. One day! 👊
Thanks Michael. I still have my K4 as well. It has served me well. As far as Massca goes. It really is built to last. Thanks for watching and commenting buddy. 👍
Good review but I'm wondering why you compared the kreg 720 instead of the Kreg k4? The k4 is still available and seems like it's more compatible with the Massca M2. The Kreg 720 is a very different machine. I'd love to see a clean review of the M2 and the K4. I'll keep looking!
@davecolpo8441 thanks Dave, the reason I compared the 720 vs M2 was they were both the latest models. I do like the K4 as well. Although, I do know they stopped production of the k4. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment
I've been using my Kreg for over 15 years. I use it a LOT. It doesn't have all the bells and whistles that the new model has but it has worked just fine for me. Perhaps all these features contributes to making it seem flimsy? Perhaps today''s jig quality has drastically fallen over the years? I don't know, but what I do know is that my jig has served me well over the years and there is no sign of it wearing out. I'll be using it for many more years to come.
Thanks Bobby, I like all the pocket hole jigs I've used. I have a Kreg K4 and still use it as well. It's a much stronger plastic. I know Kreg moved to being made in China. Where before it was made in the USA. All and all, I use them equally. And the performance is very similar. I hope you get many more years out of your Kreg jig. Thanks for taking the time to comment. 👍
Wow, the Kreg continues to disappoint. I really like the look of the Massca and I want to get one at some point. Nice video. I really appreciate your opinion.
Thanks Married Man. I just wish the Kreg was made with better plastic. It just feels cheap. Their aren't may quality plastic tools that I can think of. So, if your going to use plastic, it would be a good idea to use the strongest plastic available. Thanks for watching and your awesome comment.
Good video, good information, and objective. One difference with the Massca, is the angle of the holes, they are more vertical, provide a pulling force that is more straight down. And not as much pulling the wood in.
Thanks Scott. I did notice that. I was having a hard time squeezing everything I wanted to in one video. I probably could have made one that was3 hours long. But I was afraid no one would stick around. Thanks for watching and your excellent comment.
Is that good or bad? New to woodworking - I appreciate your expertise (and of course this channel). 🙂
@@coppulor6500 when you tighten the screw very tight, like over tightening, it can pull the wood further, missing you line. Look at Shara Woodshop diaries, she has a good video on pocket screws.
@@scottmorris4914 so i guess that means you like the massca better?
Thank you for replying 😃
@@coppulor6500 haven’t tested one to say yes or no. I have an old Kreg that still works.
The drawback to the Massca is that the clamping lever is on the backside. With a large panel you simply cannot reach it. And I do not want to disassemble the jig as a solution.
I agree. That would be the number one reason to not buy anything with a rear clamp.
Video suggestion: how to build the display board the Massca is sitting on. Haven’t seen you on youtube in a while. You have a great channel.
Thanks stvhinton. Thats a great suggestion. I've recently received a few comments on that. Probably a good idea to get on that. I just took a little break to get some things in order. I'll be back real soon. Thanks for your comment and checking in with me. I do appreciate it.
I was hoping you would say masca, looks like it’s solidly built
Thanks Jaden. Massca really is built to last compared to the other two. Thanks for watching and commenting my friend. 👍
Mascca I bought one on sale for $90 and took the kreg to the pawn shop and got $50 for it and it works great. Like it a lot better no flex higher quality and only spent $40 for the up grade. Mascca makes a 3 hole block for about $40 and thier X jig works better than biscuits
Thats awesome. I'm surprised you got $50 for the Kreg. Lol. Super great deal with Massca.
I agree with your decision
Thanks Joe. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. 👍
Thanks, since the K4 and K5 have been discontinued, I'm going with the M2.
A great choice. It will last a lifetime. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. 👍
I like the idea of the ease of use of the armor tool. I'm waiting for reviews to come in of the armor mini jig before buying one though. The clamp on the masca looks to be a pain. I will be avoiding kreg...
Thanks Jeremy. I like all pocket hole jigs. Lol. Armor Tool had reached out to me about doing a review on the Mini-Jig. But so far, haven't seen it yet.
Even though the mini supposedly "launched" like 6 months ago, I haven't seen a single review or report from someone who has one. I don't think you're alone in not receiving it...the price is low enough to make me want to hold out though to see if I really need a bigger pocket hole jig or if it's enough to get by. Thanks for your videos though, really enjoy them!
@@finder83 well. If I ever get it. I'll do a review. If you get it, let me know what you think of it.
@@Woodcraft716 Hey guys, the release was delayed, but actually launched during Black Friday. You've got one on the way!
Sweet. I'm really looking forward to it. I figured you were all pretty busy.
would be kind of hard to use the massca on the big sheet of plywood. the clamp is on the wrong side of the jig. should be out front where you can use it. good enough for face frames, but i use my kreg for drilling counter blanks to attach hardwood edging
I agree it would be hard to do a big sheet good. I tend to use the Kreg as well for that. Or use the Massca as a portable for large sheets. Thanks for taking the time to comment. I appreciate your input.
720 for me all the way 👍
I do find myself using g the 720 often. Mostly because of the 2 small hole spacing. Thank you for taking the time to comment.
Hi, I'm late to the comments here, but I have a question that you don't address in the video. You perform a large panel boring function in the video, which I do often with a late 1990s or early 2000s original vacuum attachment model Kreg, and the orientation of the clamping lever allows this one-sided operation. I like the construction and quality of the Massca, but do they make a jig with same sided clamping and drilling/ boring? Of the four Kreg jigs I have, going back to the original all metal 1980s version.. they eventually converted them to same -sided clamp and drill. Seems like a big miss if Maasca doesn't offer any model like that.
I've seen several reviews of this Kreg jig and they all make comments on the material not being as good as previous Kreg products.
I still like Kreg. Just wish it was a little more sturdy. I'm not sure how it will hold up in the long term. Thanks for watching and your comment. 👍
Do all 3 jigs cut the pocket at the same angle?
I've considered the Castle because it cuts a longer but shallower pocket so the screw is driven more directly into the opposite piece.
So, do any of these jigs do something similar to the Castle?
Hi Earl, great question that I never addressed. Yes, the Massca jig is at a slightly straighter angle. It uses the same screws as the others but is definitely at a different angle. I hear it makes fir a stronger joint. Thanks for bringing up the question. And thanks for taking the time to comment. 👍
If you were upgrading from the Kreg R3, like I am thinking of doing where the Massca advantage would be moot, would you pick the Kreg over the Armor?
Hey Bill. I think I would go with Kreg at that point. And Armor seems to be out of stock for a while now. Not sure what's going on there. But. Like I said, I like pocket hole jigs in general. I like the Kreg720 for the 3 hole spacing. The other 2 don't have it. Or in Armors case, need to be setup. Keep me posted if you upgrade and how you like it.
@@Woodcraft716 Thanks for the reply. I think I will go with the Kreg. Since I already have the R3, I will be able to use that as a 'portable' solution. I was originally thinking of the 720 pro but figure that I can make a couple of boxes from plywood to take the place of the wing containers since I will most likely be fastening the jig to a plywood base anyway.
I'll let you know how it works out.
@@billmorash3322 thanks, I'm interested to hear what you think of it.
Love the dust collection of the Massca even in portable mode! I hadn't realized and it's super lame that Kreg removed the dual functionality of the pocket-hole jig like the k4 and k5 had, that were also seemingly built much better. I have the k4 and the k5 fixed any of the issues with the k4 and this new one just appears to be such a step backwards. They massively downgraded from the k5. A lot of their crap is just that, cheap crap now.
Thank you JP. I still find myself using all three pocket hole jigs from time to time. But, I think Massca Products are built superior to the others. Although I've never owned the K5. But I hear is built to last as well. Thanks for taking the time to comment. I really appreciate that.
@@Woodcraft716 thanks for the straightforward comparison, it was well considered!
Great video! The massca pro m2 is going for $120 right now and the Kreg k5 for $120 or the kreg k4 for $99. Would the messca still be the best option? I never use a pocket jig but looking to invest in one.
Thanks Mike, I still believe the Massca M2 Pro is the best bang for your buck. Because of its steel construction and detachable portion to become a portable jig. It's like getting 2 for the price of one. I have affiliate links to all 3 in the description below, if your considering one, I'd appreciate checking out those links. It doesn't cost any more to you, but I get a small kickback for the purchase. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. I'm interested in which one you choose. Keep me posted please.
@@Woodcraft716 will do. Thanks for the quick response. I appreciate it!
@@Woodcraft716 one more question. The kreg has 3 holes at the top for the pocket is that for skinnier wood that the tye 2 outer holes are too wide for? If so how do you use the massca? Do you just have to tap one hole then move it over alittle bit and that the other?
@@mikeganard6751 so the Kreg720 "short" holes are for 1 1/2" X 1 1/2 . When I use the M2, I just drill and bump it over. I am a big fan of the 3 holes, but it doesn't take long to move it over on the Massca. I prefer the quality of Massca over the plastic Kreg. So for me, it's worth the time. Again, I do like all 3 jigs. It kinda sounds like I work for Massca. Lol. Good question. Sorry for the long answer.
@@Woodcraft716 awesome. Makes sense. Thanks again!
A new Kreg K5 for $129 or pay the extra for the Massca and put the upgrade on it? Having a hard time deciding.
I never owned the Kreg K5. I hear is great. But Kreg canceled production as the 720 hit the market. I do think, long term, the Massca is a better investment. It really seems to be built to last. Of course, this is just my opinion. Thanks for taking the time to comment. I appreciate that.
Massca - how do line it up, where are the scribe - line up lines
great video! your affiliate link for the masca isn't coded correctly
Thanks Shane. And thanks for letting me know about the affiliate link. I'll try and look into it.
MASSCA IS THE BEST
By far. Massca for the win 🏆. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. 👍
Looks like the handle for M2 is on the wrong side.. any issues with large sheet goods setting jig?
The M2 handle is on the opposite side. Making large sheet goods a bit hard to handle. But, the M2 does come apart for a portable pocket-hole jig. So, if it was my only jig, I could take it apart and use it on a large sheet. At least, that's my thoughts. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment Bob. 👍
No matter what I do with the masca m2 it causes tear out like crazy as others have mentioned. I even called customer service for a new bit… but yielded same results. This is on plywood, and solid lumber.
Great that its metal but not designed properly. I’d go with the kreg… seems like they figured out the angle properly.
I seem to get tear out on all my pocket hole jigs. It seems to me, the wood species seems to make a difference. But rarely have perfect holes. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment 👍
I never did care for the plastic of the K4. I keep waiting for it to break or crack. It's been nearly 20 years but I know that one of these decades it's going to fail. If my grandkids inherit it I'll have to warn them in my will.
Lol. I have a K4 as well, and I think its close 20 years old too. The only issue I have is the brass pin on the height adjustment has dinged up the plastic on the guid block. So, I'm assuming you will have to worn the grandkids in your will. Haha. Great comment.
I have a Kreg. It’s okay, but I will be getting the Castle 110. By far better than these, but more $$.
Thanks Milo. The Castle 110 is in a category of its own. Now that thing is nice. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. When you get the 110, let me know how awesome it is.
Don’t like having to reach around to clamp or drill
I agree that reaching around to clamp it is not the best. But I have the Kreg K-4. The setup is similar. Maybe I'm just used to it. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I agree that reaching around to clamp it is not the best. But I have the Kreg K-4. The setup is similar. Maybe I'm just used to it. Thanks for watching and commenting.
i didnt like how the drill bit was digging into the soft bottom portion of the guides on the Massca M2
Thanks Sean, yeah, I didn't like that too much either. I guess we will have to keep the search going for the perfect pocket-hole jig. Thanks for taking the time to comment. 👍
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Good review but you dialog is a little hard to hear over the music. Suggest you delete the music. Thanks.
Kreg is overpriced garbage with a cult following. I don't get it. Some of their traditional more simple jigs were fine... but I can't believe the prices Kreg commands for such cheap, plastic crap.
Thanks, I appreciate your insight. By far Kreg720 came in last place in my book. And it does have a following. Thanks for taking the time to comment. 👍
I have the Kreg K4 and when I bought it, it was basically the only game in town with the exception of some cheap Chinese knock offs. I bought it so long ago that it came in a nice rugged plastic case, an instructional DVD and a bunch of plans for building things. It was real quality. Now unfortunately, it has moved it's manufacturing to China (of course) and the newest iteration is pretty flimsy plastic. It works okay, but just does not have the build quality of the K4. The Armor Tool jig is rock solid, and has a real nice heft to it, it is also designed really well. I don't have the Massca yet, but I am sure I will pick one up soon.
Worthless info. Armor jig unavailable.
I just messaged Armor Tool. Anthony over there , said they are out of stock until next week. For what it's worth.
Kreg is just too much plastic. I used to buy Kreg stuff but have moved away from it because of the low quality plastic construction.
I agree. It just feels cheap. It works ok. Just not sure how long it will last. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. 👍
@@Woodcraft716 Yup, exactly how I feel.
Stop buying cheap plastic junk
I agree. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
You can text mascca and they will get right back with you for upgrades. I did and they called about 3 minutes later. They are all about upgrades.
Hey Richard. Thats great customer service. Massca has always been a great example of how it should be. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. 👍