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- As Rishi Sunak's new government warns of "tough decisions" and fear spreads of new austerity, John Harris and John Domokos report from Grimsby - the former fishing town that voted overwhelmingly for Brexit, and then returned its first Tory MP in 75 years.
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Businesses are failing and hopes that life outside the EU would revive the town have crumbled, but one brilliant woman is channelling Grimsby's deep community spirit
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This is what the Conservative party has done. Austerity, corruption, Brexit.
The people who voted for them and for Brexit have done this.
It's not just the Tories, nor is it predominantly Brexit, but rather 40 years of neoliberal policy and the financialisation of the broader economy. Of course Labour would borrow more for less austerity, but that's just kicking the can down the road. Probably less pain in the short term but not a solution in the current economic climate. There's really no way out of this that doesn't involve a massive reset. Unfortunately it's the assetless class that will bear the brunt of it.
Financial Crash -> Austerity -> blaming the EU for the consequences of Austerity -> Brexit -> Tory political collapse -> Austerity 2.0? 🤔
Summary of Britain since 2008.
The realisation of tory government curruption
Is not easy for people but part of the healing process is getting rid of them.
@@chekhovian3226 If you voted for Brexit, you need to take responsibility. This wasn’t just the Tories
I saw that MP for Grimsby on the news recently. She was backing Boris' return, saying that we can't have Labour, as 'they have no talent; the Conservatives have all the talent"'. Days after the Tories had crashed the economy. 🤦
There's lies, then there's damn Tory Brextard lies
But the problem is that people don't want to be
Told the truth, they will still vote for the scumbags who got them into this mess.
Wait until the tories start to dismantled the NHS, what happens then.
Not the £400billion spent by Sunak and the closing down the economy for 2 years? It was a couple of week of Truss who didn't change anything? Are you mentally okay?
This says it all, a nation full of simpletons.
They’re nothing but votes to her
It always surprises me the way people confuse freedom with selfishness.
Same here. I was taken aback by the guy saying 'freedom'! We're full of that idiocy here.
Free to starve and live on the street, if you call that freedom.
I didn’t get it when he said “freedom!” either. As part of the EU, you are free to travel, live and work anywhere in Europe, to trade and run businesses. If anything, brexit has caused a total lack of freedom, and shackled people’s hands behind their backs
@@skylar_kada well one group became a lot more free; large corporations didn't have to comply with many of the EUs market regulations, labour legislation and consumer protection policies. Oh they're free alright, free to make a killing at the expense of the living standards of the British working class.
Here in the US "freedom" is a code word for something else. The people who use the word "freedom" in the US are mostly white people.
My family lived in Grimsby for years (I went to boarding school and never went back).The EU was the only thing that gave Grimsby any kind of economic lifeline and they threw it away in favour of out and out lies, and the liars were entirely the source of their pain in the first place. Insane.
You mean fishing gave Grimsby its raison d'etre. Brussels extended the sea borders when Britain joined EEC in 1973 and effectively grabbed the fish that way. British governments of both complexions have been feeble and betrayed the fishermen though in theory we have the power to rebuild that industry. EU takes, it never funds nations to operate independently.
Maritime laws - Which the Tories don't own...
What are you talking about the EU killed Grimsby after 73 Grimsby never recovered it was betrayed and then brexit destroying whatever is left
@@chazzerbox131 British governments killed British industries. Not the EU, the British. Every single time, and you're still falling for it.
@@chazzerbox131I'm sorry to hear that it happened here in America too we have a rust belt and lots of people lost high paying working class jobs
This lady is amazing , sadly she is doing what the Goverment should be doing for the people around the country who are in desperate need of the basics.
They should put her forward for election.
@@stewgai The EU is struggling, too. German here. But uniting is always a good idea. I was so devasted, when England left. A good partner and neighbour lost.
Leaving it wasn’t the answer was it!
@@stewgai “EU isn’t the answer though is it…”
Actually it is. It will help the flagging UK economy grow and recover. More growth, more money, more food.
They took a lot of fish granted, from us in Ireland too, and our rivers are destroyed producing milk for the EU, but they made up for it in other ways, not least in trade, grants and even paying the fishermen to stop fishing (not a great solution, but it saved them from the foodbanks shown above) The EU is far from perfect, but it is backup when you get as low as these people have.
The young man who was in the army so sad his fought for his country and this is how his treated I find that really sad 😔
As a former soldier, I was particularly saddened to see the ex serviceman having to survive in such a desperate situation. It's dreadful for everyone living on the margins (and those below), but to put such faith in your country that you're prepared to die serving it, then to see your trust demonstrably and wickedly betrayed is beyond evil.
It's the Univesa; Credit start. They make you wait 5 weeks with no money. Cruel.
It's a disgrace 😕
It's even worse here in the United States. I know not everyone is happy in the UK about NHS, but here we have nothing like that.
@@allenmaa7064 That's why even though the NHS is struggling, I still appreciate the fact that we have it.
Sorry everybody matters,soldiers no more or less than anyone else,stand together because the Cons rely on people being divided.
It was always going to be the majority of people who voted for Brexit who would pay the heaviest price for it. I still struggle - based on reason, rationality and sense - to understand how they could commit such a catastrophic act of self harm. Then I remember the vote wasn't based on reason, rationality or sense.
And sadly, if you watch this video, its clear that a lot of people who voted for Brexit were already in dire strates and were promised things wold get better if they voted for it, and then were promised a similar thing with Johnson in 2019. Both times these people were lied to and were duped. Its cruel tbh.
Because Brexit didn't cause this, a reluctance to pursue British independence did this. Britain surrendered its fishing waters to continentals, destroyed its own energy grid, and locked the economy down for two years while recklessly debasing the Pound. This is a result of a failure to deliver on Brexit, not of Brexit itself.
Spot on. The leave campaigners abused the abused, people with low sense of self worth, had difficult life from an early age. The tragedy is they are vulnerable and will continue to be.
@@thenneklkt7786 What is "deliver on brexit"? UK broke its ties with EU ie it brexited. The final nail in that coffin was nailed in 2020 when the transition period ended. How many more years will be needed to "deliver on brexit" and what is it that has not yet been delivered?
@@trident6547 I literally listed some of the shortcomings. Britain was to be competitive in its own fishing waters again, and be free of extensive regulation. The red tape hasn't gone away, and institutions like the ECHR continue to overrule British institutions.
Something I have so much respect for is people who can admit they've changed their mind. Admitting that you regret your choice hurts, especially now.
100% behind you there mate. Shame that some people will blindly defend the indefensible even when the facts and truth are laid out on the table.
@@myce-liam we call them Remainers, desperately trying to make out that everything bad is due to Brexit, whereas we're actually suffering because of the Tories, global events, and the legacy of the EU
Won't change a thing, though. Sometimes there's no 2nd chance, or at least not for 2 generations.
Greetings from the EU
@@EllieD.Violet agreed
But do you have any respect for the other way around?
Remainers who would vote leave should there be another referendum , there's plenty of them.
I still don't, to this day, understand why fishermen and farmers thought that cutting themselves off from the biggest open market in the world would make things better?
Xenophobia mostly, coupled with lies from political elites desperate to stop EU taxation laws from being introduced.
That's a billion dollars?
Greed and racism
Most people are either not remotely engaged in politics outside of elections and/or not well educated enough (thanks to the government and lack of funding & opportunities more so than anything else) so they are easily impressionable. That's why a good communicator and someone who seems relatable - the sort of lad you'd grab a drink with eg Boris, Farage) - easily win elections, while the likes of Starmer, Miliband, Brown and others struggle. The former spout stuff that you and I know to be total bollocks but a lot of people easily fall for it because the message is full of hope and easily digestable,
I'm not trying to denigrate anyone with this narrative of "oh look how smart I am, you're so thick" but it's how it goes. Then, those of us who voted for Remain or not-the-Tories feel massively pissed off and release our justifiable anger at those that voted the "wrong" way instead of the people who misled them in the first place, the divisions in society increase, and the cycle repeats itself all over again.
It made apparent sense for the fishermen because when the UK joined the EU it had to open its territorial waters to fishermen from the rest of the EU. That ended up undermining the viability of the UK fishing fleet. However that was a long time ago and the industry has evolved. So leaving the EU didn't turn back the clock but simply made the current situation even more difficult.
Brexit has exposed the fact that the EU membership was actually propping up a failed society run by tories with fewer morals, ethics and integrity than a deadly disease. Now we see the schisms and cracks in the country that were papered over by EU funding and collaboration for all it's other faults. Ironic really, the thing that helped you the most is the thing you value the least...
lets face it, the EU got now more money for less people to take care of...so thx a lot for Brexshit!
Guess what?-
Tories are getting close to ZERO SEATS this upcoming election as punishment!
Scotland, Wales and the North need to rejoin Europe and leave mighty England to rule the waves by herself.
You may join Europe again but you must remain in the UK.
It's up to themselves if they want to stay in the UK with a referendum. But of the 3 I think it would be impossible for Wales to join the EU on itself because of the borders.
British people having to sell the clothes off their back to eat. Imagine telling somebody 20 years ago that’s where the country would be. They would laugh at you. It’s truly heartbreaking what’s happened to our island 😢
Blame the tories
@@marcusgarvey7588 I do !
@@marcusgarvey7588 Wrong. Blame the voters.
Europe is broke with no commodities to trade from
From west Africa
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Europe is broke with no commodities to trade from
From west Africa
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I guess the lesson is "listen to the experts, not to the politicians".
There's pet experts of lobby groups though, like Minging Minford who favoured Brexit when his model predicted British manufacturing would cease after Brexit
@@RobBCactive
As always.
Yet the vast majority of experts, specially independent ones, agreed Brexit would have terrible consequences in the UK. One of Boris Johnson's greatest lies was to convince voters to be their own experts. Even when the majority of them barely new anything about the EU beyond Wikipedia.
@@RobBCactive aren't they in a minority though, usually? THere are also pet "scientists" who ignore climate change, but it's a very small but vocal group.
The experts that said BLM protests are alright because racism is “a public health issue”, while people’s relatives were dying in isolation?
@@operaforlife6551 Yes, the problem though is climate denial "scientists" were given equal platform despite being unqualified in the subject area and paid for by fossil fuel lobbyists.
Media needs competent people to weigh up the field, distinguish between the good and the misleading.
I’m not British, but it’s still heartbreaking to see that level of distress and how deep the society can fall down … 😢
I visited England in summer of 1999. I was surprised the at the level of poverty in this 1st world country, especially in the north.
Thanks for your sympathy. It's needed.
@@carylhalfwassen8555 there has always and will always be a level poorer families there has been since the turn of the 20th century and this has nothing to do with Brexit, but lack of education, too many children being born, lack of respect for your area. And before you judge me my family would be regarded as living in poverty but we had no benefits that today's families have today, my mum just went to the grocers/butchers and got the off cuts and vegetables that would have been thrown out, and she didn't turn up in a Mercedes car to a food bank, which I have witnessed myself.
@@digitd4663 Your mam kept one of the vegetables ?
@@petermclelland278 Quelle?
While I feel desperately for the hardship being suffered by these people, they voted for it. One of the clearest examples I've ever seen for the old saying "Turkeys voting for Christmas".
They didn't believe this would happen.
Yup. There's a reason why house owners are rapidly putting solar panels up, even when it means that you have to get a loan
@@berniethekiwidragon4382 because they ignored all the experts and believed the BS peddlers. is that my fault?
@@kanedNunable Not at all.
@@kanedNunableyes
The thought you can leave a club membership and still get the same deal as everyone who still in the club is the most ridiculous thing
That was a lie Johnson told. I’m not English but do remember Johnson saying nothing will change.
It's right up there with the thought that you can permanently reduce the tax base and greatly increase state borrowing without seeing the market add on a risk premium to gilt yields.
best club is the world club- thats the 169countries not in the EU
But the brits are special. They are invites in for free everywhere surely.
@@jonsimmons4150 I have no idea that your recent club stopped you from enjoying other clubs?
‘Turkeys voting for Christmas’ is the warning people were given over and over. Christmas is almost here.
What a crap comment, no real knowledge of its origin at all.
its crimbo 365 days a year for the brits! yay!!!!
I had to read twice to get it...😂😂
@@edbernie9675 As a Brit I shouldn't be laughing at that but...........
It still astonishes me how working people still vote Tory.
look at the press. they lose millions a year to corrupt the public's opinions.
it still astonishes me how people in the foodbank queue (pink coat) can afford ciggies or why somebody in the foodbank queue hide their face so as not to be recognised.
@@davidlancaster4476 Because a smoke or a cuppa tea are a great comfort to any man or woman ..Are you so far out of touch with t he working class that you dont know that ,
@@johnlittle2406Are these people working?
We are back to 1930's Britain. Such a shame people didnt appreciate what they had and listened to a bunch of bullshitting politicians who will never suffer. A great report, this is so heartbreaking.
We're worse off. We have less industry and resources per person AND more mouths to feed due to 90 years of population increase.
@@2thre3 yeah blame it on population don’t forget next time the moon as well 🫵
My Grandparents were in their 30s in the 1930s and lived on the opposite side of the Humber, and I think you're correct. I see some strong similarities. But my Grandparents never voted for their own poverty.
Only without strong unions, so many will end up relatively worse off.
but more people supported remain than leave so why didn't they vote they avoided the polling booths in their masses.
Wish John would challenge the voter apathy a bit. Deciding not to vote at all is what keeps Tories in power.
I'd also say the lack of awareness of what's happening... The woman who said she avoids watching the news is probably the most effected by what's on it. Just a shame people are so checked out that they are making things worse by not caring.
Apathy in everything is the hall mark of Britain .They sit and watch TV , drink a cuppa and whine .Pro -. active they are not and few ever were .Let someone else do it .Any conman is OK with them .
No, voting for the Tories and Labour is what keeps this country in the shit.
Yes I agree with you about this in the USA the Republicans have armed tugs keeping people from voting.
People must own the problem and vote accordingly.
Problem is that the Labour Party cater to the same interests as the Tory party and still don't offer the correct solutions. Working class people in places like Grimsby are more likely to recognise this than middle and upper class people as their needs become ever more urgent.
Holy crap. I am from Australia and have no comprehension of this situation. Apart from, well, the UK decided to leave the biggest trading bloc in the world. Aust would give its right leg to have a free trade agreement with the EU. We just don't get it down here.
The E.U isn't just a trading block but a political union where its law is supreme it has its own diplomatic service with ambassadors around the world essentially a government without a country.
@@nudgenudgewinkwink3212 this is what Brexidiots actually believe.
@@nudgenudgewinkwink3212 Which of your new freedoms are you enjoying most?
@@gavinw3277 Being able to have a say about if we want to keep VAT or replace it with something else, Or how about the rules on state aid in which the U.K has a much freer hand to help a struggling company or industry.
@@nudgenudgewinkwink3212 Yes, these are some *theoretical* benefits. How have they impacted you? We have seen the economic chaos brought about by leaving pretty clearly, and it's only beginning. I was hoping to hear about how you had *in practice* benefited from Brexit.
The soldier's situation is heartbreaking.
I felt for him
but you see the upside, the Tories love it if he gets killed as a hero, who told you they want him back alive and needing food!
UK had huge economic issues before joining EU. They didn't want to join, but they did because of extra benefits no other country in the EU got. After leaving, the wheel is turning backwards, but not back to the "great" imperial times.
The "great" Imperial times were paid for by the colonies, certainly not by anything much generated within Britain.
@@johnhammond5379 If thats the case, why do those old colonies keep demanding more "developmental money" from britian? Shouldnt they be rolling in cash and not needing britains constant funding? Lets cut all the foreign grants we make
@@johnhammond5379 Which colonies?
Many of our former colonial projects were more of a deficit than a benefit; look at the revenue generated for our African possessions.
@@AndrewArminRyan It wasn't tho, if you look at pure official statistics for tax and administration costs, maybe. But you're not taking over Nigeria because you want tax money, you go there for the resources. The real benefit from the colonies came in through the forms of mining concessions and other such stuff.
@@laqueefasteinberg4981 During the colonial era, Britain siphoned off resources and commodities from the colonies to benefit our own economic interests. By the time we left these colonies to return to nations of their own, there were often either pre-existing (pre-colonial) or newly created (during/post colonial) divides that hindered growth and caused war that we’re still experiencing today. Even if these conflicts resolve themselves, new ones arise and/or governments destabilise because there’s no longer any resources left, no commodities left to sell, and no foundations to join the global economy that former colonial countries created because their economies weren’t only built on their own resources, but the resources of others.
And if by ‘foreign grants’ you mean foreign aid, I guess you’re sitting happy knowing that most of the UK’s foreign aid budget isn’t in fact going to foreign countries to provide basic infrastructure that we take for granted, but is in fact going towards the housing of asylum seekers in hotels because our pathetic government can’t sort out the immigration system and correctly fund policing of people smugglers.
It's kinda ironic that the countryside of England which voted mostly for Brexit is the part of England that suffers the most from it, while cities like London will be able to cope better with this due to a more diversified set of opportunities of its denizens.
I've no sympathy for them
It’s not the countryside… and u do know that the rest of the country has been in managed decline since thatcher, benefitting London and forcing everyone to move there to find a decent job because other places don’t have the same investment. It’s not just down to Brexit and u can’t blame normal ppl when it’s been happening for decades
this is also happening in the US too. The poorest 9 states are deeply conservative and controlled by MAGA Trumpists. But what funny is that, they aware that they kinda vote against their own will (i.e. economic and welfare policies) just so they can disagree with liberal social issues like abortion and LGBTQ issue. All is disguised under the name of "Jesus" and the church. The whole church and GOP are responsible behind this.
They were warned, but they still kamikazied themselves.
Yeah, it was widely known that Brexit was going to disproportionately impact poor areas
I'm from Grimsby but moved away. It seems to get worse everytime I visit family back there. Its hard not to have schadenfreude when everyone I knew back there was voting for Brexit and wouldn't listen to reason.
I have crazy Brextarded relations who were in farming, believed all sorts of BS and thought Brexit was "going alright" in 2018.
Now .. conspicuous silence.
Brexshit and boris is the rallying cry of a failed country.
Its really due to alot of racism in the North that voted for Brexit rather than logic. David Cameron's fault was to bet on the better instincts of people.
@@RobBCactive This is what baffles me. Farmers were collecting £thousands in EU subsidies, plus grants and other assistance, and were able to sell their goods within one of the biggest trading blocs on the planet, right next door, without reams and reams of paperwork (except the essential documents, of course), and all the EU asked in return was to follow basic food hygiene standards.
Four decades later, farmers voted to throw all that away for a vague "promise" of no paperwork and global markets for their food.
Instead, they got more paperwork for their biggest markets, lost their subsidies (did they REALLY believe a Tory Gov't would pay equal subsidies?) and the promised global markets never appeared. Then EU customers got p*ssed off with the paperwork and bought from other EU countries.....
The sad thing is all this was so predictable and predicted, but dismissed as "Project Fear".....
Then voted Tory!
Some people talk the talk others walk the walk. That lady helping people out with the food bank is a hero, bless her work. I wish her all the best!
Please never ever ever ever stop making these videos. They are a postcard into the daily struggles in Britain, hopefully one day postcards into happier times
Germans usually live well
Rees-Mogg said that the reintroduction of imperial measurements was a huge Brexit benefit. Maybe that can help Grimbsby and its citizens.
We’re watching a country being destroyed from within. They can’t point the finger at the EU anymore.
Please please tell me this is a joke.
@@maryknight6431 United Ireland, and independent Scotland. 😂😂 Go out and support your Heat banks.
@@maryknight6431 It's a joke with a serious intention Mary.
@@capedcrusadergrimsby Is it a joke?
Voted to leave but voted to starve. They were warned but they choose not to listen
What happened to "I'd rather eat grass!"
Nothing to do with covid lock downs! Forgotten all that already? Also nothing to do with the fact that all the EU is feeling exactly the same at this moment, funny how people who 'love' the EU are completely oblivious to anything that is actually happening over there right now.
nothing to do with Brexit, Grimsby has always been like this, I've never known it any different
@@elwoodbluesmorris2120 Wake up from planet Tabloid!
Fishermen were warned of loss of markets. The OBR report puts Brexit -4% GDP, Britains are £1,000's worse off.
Europe grew again after Covid, the UK has been in last place since 2016.
People like you have done REAL damage and should be subject to massive tax surcharges.
Grimsby was always kinda like this but it's now worse than ever due to Brexit and the resulting chaos since. Both takes are valid.
I was born in Cleethorpes and went to school in Grimsby. My family left the area in 1965. I've now lived in Germany for the past thityfive years and the first time I revisited Grimsby during that time was last year. I was shocked to see such deterioration. What a lie Brexit has turned out to be. I still can't grasp why so many people were convinced that disconnecting from Europe would be somehow beneficial.
Why are they moaning? They voted for their sovereignty, they wanted to have the UK back as a small country in a big world and they were all happy to take a bit of adversity for a few years as the price for that. They got exactly what they wanted so they should be happy.
As long as they accept that bit of adversity, and don't expect Remain voters to share the burden!
The EU was pouring money into poorer areas of Britain.
I saw many things coming in the lead up to the Brexit vote in 2015 so decided to apply for 2 additional passports from where my parents are from in the Caribbean. When it became clear that the Tories were all for Boris and inevitable he would be PM I decided I would leave. Thanks to my union who had negotiated with the company that staff could take their pension at the age of 50 (I retired at 54 & emigrated at 58) Union haters have no clue that their rights are being taken away. Things are much worse than I anticipated as I am used to the trickle down racism that the Tories spit out but everything else that has occurred is beyond belief. It is 2yrs since I left and now enjoy life in the Caribbean but find it hard and upsetting to watch the UK news, despite the country being ripped apart economically people still want to put immigration at the head of the agenda! UK will be in the mud for a long time..
Just hope your pension is secure - many aren’t.
Good luck to you , have a happy life 😊.
Have you relinquished your British passport?
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Good 👍 on you.......
I envy you. Empty shelves. Food banks everywhere. Now we have 'warm' banks so that people don't freeze. It's absolutely unbelievable.
I find it hard to sympathise. When Brexit was voted I said this would happen and when the tories were voted in on a landslide I said again. Now they reap the results of bad decisions.
I feel sorry for the man that recently got out of the army, he shouldn’t be living like that after serving his country.
That’s what the government does, uses you and then spits you out. You end up with nothing.
Ex servicemen get A1priority on housing when they leave the forces. If he is homeless he has other problems that have led him the re
@@tutorsteve he didn't say he was homeless, just skint
Serving his country or serving western oligarchy by invading, pillaging and destroying foreign countries who never hurt the UK?
Fisherman votes for Boris. Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice. Shame on me
Guilty on this sign of pond. Didnt get fooled second time. PRAISE GOD
"There's an old saying in Tennessee-I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee-that says, 'Fool me once, shame on... shame on you. Fool me-you can't get fooled again.
I feel so, so sorry for all those ordinary people who are suffering. But they were told time and time again by enlightened people back in 2016 that this was going to happen and they choose to ignore it. I am from Dublin, Ireland on the outside looking in and we have our problems here in Ireland but they pale in significance to that shitshow.
Did they get what they voted for? Didn't they vote to stuff the rest of Europe, stuff solidarity, take back what's "ours" ? Well they've got it. They should be happy. Pity the people who are suffering who didn't vote for the shitshow.
The problems in the UK have nothing to do with Brexit. It's about war, money creation and debt. Inflation in the EU is worse than the UK.
@@Leo-sx1ds You poor soul. There aint too many food banks in Ireland. There are some but it is a minority issue.
only just started Raymond- Albania, and north Macedonia are inbound to the EU shortly- and they ain't a gonna be heading easily soon to the UK-to get to the UK it will be visas etc.. they'll be heading to Ireland. to live an a work..
@@jonsimmons4150 We are badly short of labour but we are badly short of housing. Strangely, the biggest influx of people over the last 10 years has been English. There are 230,000 English nationals in Ireland with 180,000 employed. It outstrips all other immigrants.
This is gut wrenching. Borris made everyone believe U.K would be better off leaving the EU and then couldn't deliver on his promises. Naaaa mate, if a doctor could be investigated for failing to do his/her job and letting his/her patient die then Borris should be dragged into the court and tried for ruining hundreds of thousands of lives
People were screaming from the roof tops that this is what the outcome of brexit would be. People still chose it, I don't want people to suffer but people need to learn from this, and to remember it.
In time the people of the UK will all realize they made a massive mistake listening to Fartage and BloJo.
People really need a GCSE in political understanding in the UK. How many people now realise they 'got led down the path again'? Way too late.
No no they had the same information available that the rest of us did. Google has mass information if you do the research. You don’t need a GCSE in politics to understand how catastrophic Brexit was going to be for the country. Conservatives NEVER serve the people, that’s been true through out history. These people were led by their anti-immigration views . I have no empathy for people who voted Tories and Brexit because the whole country/people are suffering because of their choices.
As time goes on, i'm of the increasing opinion that people should do a basic examination before they are allowed to vote. Especially if democracy is to survive in this murkey future of social media driving populism. Otherwise, people simply hinge the future of a country based on a Prime Minister's personal charisma and 3 word slogans.
@@Monkeyatemysoul23 Many of us could see what was happening - but millions only see politics out of the corner of their eyes. Hence the need for education.
The lack of general education in Britain is more apparent than ever. The education system in this country seems to be really poor. It fails to teach critical thinking.
@@AK-zh1co They love con artists and here is the result .Were the toxic clown to return with his act they'd vote again ..
We took the benefits we had from being in the EU for granted mainly because the benefits tend to work in the background and not directly in your face. It's difficult sometimes to explain to people hence why people are were so quick to dismiss the benefits. It was only after we left that a lot of people truly started to appreciate what we once had.
As an expat in England, I’ve always said that Brexit was a bad idea which was horribly executed. Who would’ve thought it’ll turn England into a third world country…. Unfortunately for the brits, as of now, there is nobody on the either sides of the government who is capable of fixing this mess and if they manage to, it’ll be years before it normalises.
"Who would’ve thought it’ll turn England into a third world country..."
Everyone who voted Remain.
There is no instant fix for any of this.
if we were not paying billions of £ a year for illegal/financial immigrants that money would be free for other more necessary and valuable causes. !!!!!!
@@richardwilson5330 If Rishi Sunak hadn't given tens of billions to his mates in fraudulent PPE contracts (with the blessing of Boris), we'd also have a lot more money for more necessary and valuable causes.
If Truss hadn't caused almost 40% of pensions to become bankrupt, who were only saved by billions being given by the Bank Of England, then we'd also have a lot more money.
You've hit the nail on the head there
Everyone should know what 55 Tufton Street is before they vote for anything in UK.
Most have never heard of it. Or Libertarianism. Or Ayn Rand, whose books Sajid Javid apparently used to read aloud to his fiancee, before she told him that if he persisted the wedding was off ......
I have very little sympathy for the fishermen. They voted to leave knowing full well that it would damage a lot of other people, but still did it because they thought it would line their own pockets. Greed makes people stupid.
Yep, turkeys voting for Christmas.
Absolutely. They KNEW the fishing rights had been sold to the EU decades ago by UK governments, all legally and with consent. They thought they could steal them back like pirates.
leftoids try not to totally despise the british public challenge (impossible)
@@thedemiurge170 When was stating simple facts 'despising' people?
@@alisonwilson9749 left wing people do hate Britain, always have.
Something has gone very, very wrong with this country. Its almost like work isn't valued anymore. I have never worked for a company that wasn't short staffed. The problem isn't the lack of work to go round, its the unwillingness to pay another salary, or even a salary that can be comfortably lived on. There are some very rich,very powerful companies that seem to be driving everyone down. Unwilling to give work contracts to people or companies at anything higher then the bare minimum rates, then expecting their contactors to just make do with the scraps. If the contractors try to raise their prices to keep afloat, the big company takes their money elsewhere.
It's the same in the U.S. There are people willing to work. I have a job, and my hours have been cut back drastically. We have a large available workforce but each person is only being allowed 15-20 hours a week, at a low wage. The corporation is trying to get by, using the minimum workforce, and making the workload so much harder on each person. This is a company that can afford to be fully staffed. Their managers and mid management are the ones getting full time hours.
This is what the Tory's do. Thatcher is the reason I left Scotland and came to France all those years ago and it changed my life. They have even supressed that option now of freely going to any where in Europe to chase your dreams.
Dreaming is what caused these problems. Try thinking, planning and working instead.
They cannot stop that .Learn a second language / have a skill and go .Chasing dreams is for children You need a plan and a second language .As you are in France I'm in Germany and have been a teacher here for years .Return to UK NEVER
I hope you will be able to return to a independent Scotland soon my friend and give Thatcher the two fingers. Saor Alba from Ireland.
@@Rampart.X well my Dream lead me to the Alps and then a whole lot of positive thinking, energy, planning and working followed suit. No regrets. go try open a business or be a British Ski/Snowboard instructor in the Alps now m8.
@@lostinfrance9830 so you followed your dreams for your own enjoyment. Well done. Very civic minded.
Thank you for these videos. As a Canadian/outsider, I've been trying to understand this complex situation. Now I can't fathom why anyone would want Boris or the Torries back, especially after everything that happened. It seems that these hard times are due to a mix of things (war in Ukraine, pandemic, financial greed on the markets) but anyone who says that Brexit had no part in it is a fool (I highly recommend the Financial Times video on Brexit. It does a great job of explaining the impacts). The whole world is feeling the economic crunch at the moment but it seems that the U.K. is getting hit doubly hard. It's like the Brits didn't have full 'informed consent' when voting for Brexit and were misled. Is there any going back? My heart goes out for the small businesses and those that are trying to make ends meat.
the UK hard times coming from 12 years of Tory government...
And the most Googled terms in the UK one day after Brexit were 'what is the EU' and 'what does the EU do'.
Europe is broke with no commodities to trade from
From west Africa
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Right-wing media is all-powerful. Thank Rupert Murdoch.
i can't figure out anything about this place, and i live here. Give up, or you'll waste fifty years on it!
I grew up in the region and whenever I talk to people at home who voted for brexit about the effects of brexit I basically get what the mum of 2 said "I don't watch the news now .."
It's like some sort of denial
I've heard of the Irish Gaelic language and have no idea what that is
I really love and appreciate the interviews with real British people. The interviewer is excellent very compassionate and easy going he gains people trust.
Conned by the Tories, they did not realise that taking back control meant that the Tories were taking absolute control and giving none of it away. My theory is that Fishing Communities hold to old standards where they would never make false promises thus they were blind to the evil being inflicted on them and for which they were complicit.
The majority of people who voted Brexit did not understand the EU and how it works, they did not understand the benefits of being a member of the EU, now slowly they are realizing what those benefits were and what we have lost and how this has effected them.
Are they, though? I never heard that opinion voiced in the whole report. They feel sorry for themselves, for not getting what they were promised. Not one of them said, "Now I see the benefits of being a Member of the EU". I don't think that thought will ever occur to them.
True, but they very loudly,and many aggressively, resisted any education whatsoever. Any understanding or empathy is hard to find.They were told time and again how important to them trade with Europe was and is.
You're correct. At the same time, what a mass failure to do your basic democratic duty to be an informed voter. I don't know how much sympathy I have for people who willingly shoot themselves in the foot. There are many people elsewhere in the world who deserve that compassion far more
Spot on ! One never knows what one has ...... until it's gone !!
@@sandybowyer7941 Unless we've taken the trouble to find out! I doubt that a tenth of the electorate really looked into the costs and benefits of EU membership before voting. I read a book about it that seemed to cover most of the bases but even that failed to mention the special situation that Northern Ireland is in. But at least some of us made an effort. I ended up 60:40 in favour of Remain; these days I'd be 90:10. I hadn't realised just how bad it would be. So I suppose you are right!
" I voted to leave because it was my democratic right" but I didn't have clue really and believed farage, boris and the murdoch lies instead.
Grimsby! you voted for it and got your just rewards!
And dragged the rest of us down.
John Harris and the team at 'Anywhere but Westminster' do a fantastic job, I really like this series.
My thoughts exactly. This sort of compassionate, human truth-telling is much needed to break the bubble that politicans live in.
It's from the trenches and it's heartfelt,
it's a pity tory members haven't the bottle to come and see how
lies affect people, and how giving false hope, does nothing but
create despair.
@@neurojitsu It's not a "bubble", they're not the ones who are "out-of-touch" like that guy said, when will you guys figure this out?
*They played you*
It's as simple as that, you guys are out-of-touch and need to learn
Stop believing the Tories and thinking they're just making mistakes when they rob you blind
The gullible brexitters dragged us all down by following a political character, just like the MAGAts
@@fredzep01 My comment applies to you, too
What a shameful situation for a once great nation to be brought so low by the lies and venality of people like Farrage , Boris and Truss.
Truss was pro remain in 2016. She picked whichever side she thought would win.
The will of the people. Don't blame politicians.
@@jerryorange6983 The politicians just used the strong resentment towards neoliberalism and the 2008 crisis to rile up the masses. Brexit is just another example of the big lie...
It's the whole notion of 'this great nation' that got us in to this mess. That notion can be shoved where the sun never shines.
@@jerryorange6983 49% to 51%, any sane politician would have called it a draw, but the people in power wanted Brexit so they let it stand.
I only have sympathy for those who didn't vote for this but have to live with the consequences.
So almost half of the population...
@@renaissancewooman5807 Half of the electorate. In 2016 there were some 46,5 million voters. Of these 73,2 % turned up on referendum day to vote. Of these rougly 34,5 million votes about 52% were for brexit and some 48% against. Brexit won with some 17,4 million votes while remain had some 16,1 million. At that time uk had a population about 66 million so 25-26% of the population voted for Brexit. No-one has published figures about the alignment of those 27% who did not vote at all. 12,5 million voters did not care what would happen.
Well as Jacob Rees Mogg said quite a few years after the Brexit vote "the benefits of Brexit could take 50 years to be fully appreciated" then these people can look forward to all sorts of benefits coming their way in what could be now only 47 years
I remember telling people at the time that the promises were all BS, but was shouted down constantly. There is only so much sympathy you can have for people who "Had enough of experts" and shot themselves in the foot.
They basically forgot their own history of how they've got their wealth
Yep, no need of experts (sarcasm). Selfmedicate, build your own house, build your own car, tailor your own clothes, grow your own food. Why need experts! Sadly, this attitude towards educated people expert in their area of knowledge is more and more widespread in the entire world. What happenned to respecting education?
Agree!
Watching this brings back memories of growing up in the UK in the early 80s. Its hard to believe that this is 2022. I moved to Spain 18 years ago after selling my home in London and starting over for a better life. Jobs are tough here but life can be a lot better though. I feel bad fof people in the UK who were not well informed and tricked into something that they knew little about. Brexit shouldn't have happened.
Well done, mate. I started Spanish lessons the day after the referendum, and moved here 18 months later. No need to waste your sympathy on people who "were not informed". Why don't you feel aggrieved that they didn't inform themselves. Are they more stupid than you, or me, or 16 million people who voted Remain? Or were they blinded by their own greed and national self-importance, their lack of solidarity, lack of empathy. ¿No?
This isn't because of brexit bud....! It's because of the greedy.
@@kashukichu No the root cause of the social and economic problems in the UK is BREXIT. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
so- when Catalan votes in a referendum to become independent, independence gets it over the line, fully legal..
you have it cancelled then?
sure you are in spain and not a south American country somewhere??
@@jonsimmons4150 Are you replying to me mate? Catalonia already declared independence, so for me they can sod off already. I accept their declaration. I will never visit there, I endeavour not to do business with there.
Not only did they vote for Brexit, but they gave Johnson a majority. That's what amazes me.
I’ve always thought that schadenfreude was a terrible emotion, but as Remainer who had their European Citizenship & all those benefits forcibly removed from me & my kids, I find it hard to be sympathetic to Leave voters who don’t like what they voted for.
I have all the sympathy in the world for their kids…mine didn’t ask for this mess either.
The EU is just a pointless layer of bureaucracy which appears to 'solve' problems which are caused by too much government in the first place.
If people voted for poverty, then they got what they wanted. My thoughts are for those that did not vote for this.
Just keep ignoring the covid lock downs. They never impacted our economy at all.
@DoubtingThomas I disagree with you. Grimsby was a fish trading hub, fish from the EU/EEA was brought here for the British market and fish caught by British was sold to the EU. Those who owned British fishing quota sold them to Danish and Dutch fishermen. Brexit made sales to the EU complicated. The catch of Danish and Dutch now goes straight to the continent. Brexit did not cancel the contracts between British and EU fishing companies.
Fishermen in Grimsby were already doing bad while in the EU because of big British companies selling their quota.
Now, after Brexit, even the trade was hit in an enormous way. The few remaining fishermen cannot get rid of their fish to the EU. So it's a double strike to them. Trade went down to half and value to a third. That took away many jobs.
I do agree in the fact that there is a tension to "Told you so, and you wouldn't listen. Now eat your sh*t!".
Which is not contributing towards a solution. But it is necessary to make people aware that a wrong choice will have consequences. Especially when they are still in denial. Like an alcoholic who cannot be helped as long as he thinks the bottle will solve his problems. Every investment is a waste of effort.
On the other hand, I do not see any structural plans by the left that offer real solutions. The state of the UK at this moment, would be an enormous opportunity to present a completely new approach. But the left doesn't seem to dare turning into another direction. They are stuck in their own 'old fashioned' way of thinking. And I do not see a rise of 'new left' in the UK, it is still in the margins. There are not even plans for political reforms. And being realistic, the message from the left has to be 'we cannot fix this in five years, it will get worse before you notice improvement', and such a campaign will not do well, though deeply needed.
@DoubtingThomas it was a mistake to vote brexit , but it sure looked intended when they voted tories after to "get brexit done" , innit?
@DoubtingThomas i am very tempted to get my citizenship and help them achieve their goals by voting tory.i mean , i have an eu citizenship, i can go back to Europe if things go very , very bad , but boy o boy , what I won't give up on just to hear them say "i regret voting brexit"...
@@dutchman7623 Because people prefer sweet lies to the harsh truth. Hence the suffering.
At 2:40 "I've lost a few friends to covid." That "cheerful" tone as he tells this just breaks my heart.
Every country lost people to covid but most had a decent government ---
Duped over Brexit and duped by anti-vax/Covid denial. Double happiness !
The one guy says “Life is what you make of it.” but the other says “It is what it is.”
Two opposing statements but both reflecting the same sense of hopelessness.
There was a meme on FB a couple of weeks ago which went something like this “If we were to rejoin the EU tomorrow, which Brexit benefits would you miss the most?”
hadn't we been throwing billions, (that we don't have), around to pay businesses to stay closed, and for people to sit around and do nothing for the first two+ years of it? Cheered on, & wanting more by the authoritarian, remainer types BTW. Add to that, the astronomical fraudulent cases but unsurprisingly, "the markets" didn't have a meltdown over those costs. I was having many though. Plus we obviously have politicians/ civil servants, & most unions who have never got over us leaving, so are now taking advantage of these pandemic debts & useless leaders, to get their revenge and destroy the country they've always hated so much. You aren't gonna get much "benefit" from that are you?
As an Irish person this is truly horrible to see I feel for the people of grimsby. In Ireland we have 2 huge concerns,
One is not being able to build quick enough
And not being able to properly house our own pupullation, and thus not being able to house Ukraine people fleeing the Russian war
The reality is every country has problems right now and an United free States of Europe is the only intellectual way forward. Some political people have told lies to the people of the UK
And this is now very clear to people who are angry and have a right to be.
I agree with you
You need more immigration to solve your housing problems.
Spot on.
Andrew, the common trait here is completely ineffective and self serving politicians, proof is here, when left.to.good people things get done, give them the resources and watch them do what needs to be done, every single area both in Ireland and the uk knows whats needed on a local level, not some.gobshite politician.who.spends his / her time in London or Dublin....
Well put.
This is so depressing. My grandchildren are UK dual citizens and I thought it was a wonderful thing to have the choice of countries and economies. Watching this and comparing it to vibrant economy they currently live in - but not saying we have no problems - the UK offers no attraction at all.😢
Oh I feel so sorry for you.
You want him to be miserable with all of us in UK?!! That’s the spirit 🤣😂😅👍
Fine. Stay away.
@@routeman680 I think you have missed the point. We are all from UK stock and don’t want our relatives to be having a hard time.
@@routeman680 many are and will. Leave us in our Grimsby misery
I don’t know what’s gone wrong? You voted for it!
I’m just glad that we in Europe can’t be blamed anymore for whatever is going wrong in the UK. Enjoy your “freedom” y’all.
They realise their big mistake now, yet will not bother to vote the Tories out next time. Fools are the reason we're here where we are. Use your vote PLEASE!
You got what you voted for. Well done.
Yeah I don't get why they're so unhappy. They were told this would happen and voted for it anyway.
As an Irish citizen, I recognize that Brexit is mainly a political goal rather than an economic one. A century ago, my own country sought its escape from a supranational power structure that was seen as oppressive. Independence was harsh and difficult, and it took a long time for Ireland to reach the break-even point where it was doing about as well as it would have if it had stayed within the UK. Now, however, very few Irish people would look back on it with regret. I expect that Brexit has its own logic for British people. But don't let anyone fool you into thinking there will be any "sunlit uplands" for the next couple of decades at least. There will be deeper poverty and worsened trade for a long time. I hope it's worth it, in the end.
But you had the sense to join the EU. We have just left it.
as a Brit, I wouldn't compare the Irish struggle to end colonial occupation of Ireland by Britain to the Brexiteers struggle to end EU domination and political subjugation of Britain (for starters the latter only existed in Brexit voters heads).
The government they chose 🤦🏾♀️
My hometown is just like this town. Shops closed and boarded up, Pound shops, charity shops, betting shops and cash converter pawn shops are the only growth business in the town (and even a couple of the pawn shops have closed now since Brexit).
Blame globalisation and the Internet
@@nudgenudgewinkwink3212 Rubbish. Go to any middle sized town in western Europe. They are booming.
@@kirishima638 evidence please I was in Italy 2 weeks ago and it ain't!
@@kirishima638 That's complete rubbish, there are huge protests all over Europe against the cost of living.
@@blackcatdungeonmastersfami5311 The cost of living crisis is impacting everyone, yes, but not nearly as badly as in the UK.
A huge portion of the population has no clue on economics or finance. The Brexit referendum should never have happened.
The only solace I take from Brexit is seeing the people who voted for it suffer, I said at the time i would be alright and by in large I am, I knew however the people who were most at risk from suffering from it would likely lap up the Brexit lies and further more Boris' lies, Turkeys meet Christmas which you got told would happen. I just wish that the people who voted Tory and Brexit were the only ones being affected by all of this.
I believe there is a saying in Germany that charity is the failing of Government, and that is so true, whilst most people who provide and help charities do it for the benefit of the less fortunate they are helping the government cut further funding to areas that need it
Boris looks well fed and proud of himself
The guy cleaning the river is epic. Respect. He should be PM.
Keep up the good work highlighting the mess which is austerity Britain. The Tories kept saying Labour will take us back to the 1970's, hmmm? Seems to me that it's the Tories that have taken us back to depression era UK!
tories taking us back to 1770.
What’s really mindblowing is that people in Grimsby are struggling with joblessnesses and financial difficulties but at the same time there are areas of England where employers are struggling to recruit at all wage levels and cannot find people with adequate skills.
Wasn't Brexit supposed to fix all the labour issues, increase wages and finally bring the 10% of the brits that live off benefits into the labour force? Oh wait, you need people that are actually qualified and actually want to work. What Brexit caused is a shortage of skilled labour, less taxes, companies scaling down or closing, and in the end, decrease in job demand in lots of domains/areas. Now, the lazy brits that live on benefits are still doing so, but the standard of living decreased, businesses and companies suffer from the shortage of qualified labour and state itself struggles due to tax income spiraling down.
Voting for Brexit was a bit like hitting your T.V. with a sledgehammer in the hope of fixing it.
So many people just seem defeated, where's the anger? If we actually channelled our rage into protesting and civil unrest we could oust the current government- why do we just ACCEPT it?
English people are very tolerant I'm one of them
Decades of conditioning to believe in a natural order. It wasn't even hard. People will walk onto cattle trains now.
Protesting doesn't work in the country. What we need is a revolution.
You can oust the current government in what is called an election. Most people in the UK accept election results.
Why because not everyone is in a desperate situation like this film portrays.
The beautiful town of Grimsby..I am from Grimsby and I voted to remain in Europe no man is an island…and when you build bridges both sides benefit = as a trade bridge between Britain and Europe….BUT WHEN YOU BUILD WALLS AS WiTH BREXIT BOTH SIDES SUFFER
Your program truly was highly informative. I did not know that the situation in Britain was this bad.
Brexit, the gift that just keeps giving! Giving heartache and grief. I highly respect those that now say that they regret voting to leave.
yip, but they will do nothing to change it....
That was heartbreaking and inspirational. Sadly, I don't believe that we will ever have politicians with the compassion to address situations like this. We need a major reform of how this country is governed.
We had Corbyn. You know how that went 😔.
Forde's report on Labor. Corbyn would have win the elections if not for the heavy artillery from the right and the press AND his own party.
The country and the people's day to day lives would be vastly different. See the matress of public helps the frenchs get, even with this banker as their head of state...
@@nadinekhaznadar5758 Yes. Sadly I do know exactly how that went. That's why this ludicrous "first past the post" system has to be reformed.
@@alkante2962 It is a rather sad state of affairs isn't it. We really need an overhaul of the electoral system in this country.
Scotland does thank goodness for the SNP. Now before any Yoons jump on this here's a few facts. The SNP led Scottish Government has done away with Tuition fees, Scrapped the disgusting use of Warrant sales, scrapped having to pay for parking in Hospitals, scrapped prescription charges, scrapped the bedroom tax, has given people under the age of 22 free bus travel and built over 70,000 social housing, given all women free sanitary products and all mothers are given Baby boxes and they have done so much more.
Why in the name of heaven did anybody think leaving the EU would make anything any better?
make anything any better? Am I missing something here? Was anything bad in the first place? Britain was always half hearted about the EU, refusing to join the Euro, bitching and moaning about sovereignty , hatred for the European court of justice. Everything Europe decided upon to make life for European citizens better was seen as interference in your sovereignty. The ruling class in Britain would never accept any interference in their ability to write their own rules and make such rules to suit themselves. Britain doesn't even have a written constitution.
A lot of Brexit had to do with Racism and little independence. Nigel Farage and other Conservatives spearheaded this foolishness, now look at Britain. 🙁
Xenophobia. Many Brits thought they were superior to the Euopeans and resented their presence.
Stupidity?
This is shocking. The army vet, families, people with disabilities. Normal working people. Just awful
"Just be happy and deal with the situation" I think resonates the most for me.
2:25 is the most British response. ‘How’s life?’ ‘Ah it’s okay’ - proceeds to then describe how life is actually shit
I had only been for 2 years in the UK when Brexit was voted (2016), and I remember at the time thinking: "why would they want to leave, the UK has managed to secure themselves a good position in the European parliament, better deals than other fellow countries, and most importantly access to a big market without the harsh regulations that other non-EU countries have to follow". And more importantly, recent events like the pandemic and the rising tensions between the EU/NATO and Russia proves again that together we can stand a chance against actual tyranny.
Yes you are 100% correct. Voting for Brexit was an act of recklessness bordering on madness. In my view too many people in the UK lack a sense of seriousness and responsibility in assessing the political and economic situation behind the problems the UK has. It is extremely frustrating. I feel that it is only when things reach the point of catastrophe and national humiliation that people will sober up.
Europe is broke with no commodities to trade from
From west Africa
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Although the UK wasn't represented as a country in the European Parliament. It's in the Council of Ministers that the national governments sit. The EP is political parties, where the British Labour MEPs would have voted against the British Tory MEPs.
@@person.X. A monumental act of self- harm egged on by UKIP/ Vote Leave/ most of the tabloid press. Immigration was low down on the list of people's concerns only a few years before the 2016 referendum. Scapegoating migrants for economic and social problems is reprehensible and misses the point by a million miles. It is neoliberalism and the resulting levels of inequality that is at fault. The public have continued to vote for it under FPTP since 1979. I agree too many people in Britain are not serious enough. Levels of political literacy are extremely low- most of the public does not have a clue about issues yet so many seem happy in their ignorance and imperviousness to reason.
Free movement was a wetdream for big business and the oil for the gig engine
Both tragic and inspiring in equal measure. I despair of our political class and yet inspired by the altruism and passion of 'ordinary' people. John and John - your work is essential, please keep it coming. We long for change and there is still hope.
Well just to get this into perspective, I'm from the north of England, but currently in the Netherlands, one of the richest countries in the EU. Yet food banks are more visible than I've ever seen here. Literally in the supermarket entrances begging shoppers to make donations. What this should tell anyone is that this is less to do with Brexit and more to do with the macroeconomic ideology all the EU and Britain has shared for 40 years. Persistent public spending contractions, deficit hawk behaviour, direct lines from the government treasury into corporate pockets; corrupt tax loopholes. If you were alive in 1978, 79, 80, 81.., you will recognise the macro policy now being carried out, it's exactly the same: monetarism mark II aka neoliberalism.
Reminds me of Donald Tusk (EC-President) talking about _Special_ _place_ _in_ _hell_ _for_ _those_ _who_ _promoted_ _Brexit_ _without_ _even_ _a_ _sketch_ _of_ _a_ _plan_ ...
I used to visit Grimsby for work fairly frequently in the mid to late 2000’s. It got to the point that I had to promise myself that I wouldn’t go into the town centre any more unless I was planning to catch a train somewhere else as it was just too depressing. It seems that not all that much has changed.
It’s desperately sad to see as the colleagues I had there and the people I spoke to were overwhelmingly kind and friendly people, much like across the Humber in East Yorkshire where some of my family is from, although I suspect the Grimsby folk won’t welcome the comparison!
Did the people there really believe things would actually get better for them under Brexit? Or did they just assume things couldn’t get worse?
They certainly hadn't got any better under the EU. You throw about a lot of straw men while offering no facts or evidence to support you own claim. In my experience, this is the typical low level of debate to be expected from an arrogant Remainer.
Yep
Thank you for your contribution. Ignore the ignoramus.
@J LH Sorry, but I am Grimsby born and bred, it was the cod wars with Iceland that destroyed the fishing fleets in Grimsby, long before the EU.
@J LH As I said, I'm from Grimsby, I have family and friends that use to go to sea, I do not need lectures on the fishing industry in Grimsby.
The Grimsby fishing fleet use to fish off Iceland, but they decided to increase their territorial waters around Iceland excluding our trawlers from fishing there, the so called "cod wars". This is what led to the decline in the Grimsby and Hull fishing fleets. They lost the rich fishing grounds around Iceland and their livelihoods.
On the issue of the decommissioning money, this was given directly to the trawler owners with the idea of paying the fishermen compensation. They won a case in the courts that because the fishermen signed on every trip, they were classed as casual workers and weren't permanent employees and so were not entitled to compensation. So instead of paying the poor fishermen the compensation they deserved and were entitled to, they kept it for themselves. It is still a sore point here in Grimsby, the fishermen that risked their lives fishing in very harsh conditions in the artic in winter were left out of work and penniless while their employers pocketed a fortune that they should have had.
Please stop blaming the EU for the decline in the Grimsby and Hull fishing fleets, all this happened in the 60's, long before the EU common fishing policy came into being.
Disgruntled Brexiteer fisherman: 'I won't vote for anybody.' Music to the Tories' ears. Keep it going!
Difficult to understand that there can be poverty like that in Northern Europe.
I have not lived in England for more than 35 years. Everytime I visit I notice the gradual Americanisation of Britsh society. It is in the languange changes, the attitudes. Is not the situation shown in Grimsby rather atipical of this? A society of winners and losers - the losers relying on the charity of the winners and the winners looking in disdain on those "not willing to work" and other cliches.
Actually a lot more complicated than this programme or my comments can describe. One thing for sure - the Brexit ideology made it all happen.