‘The Greens are our enemy’: What is fuelling the far right in Germany?
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- čas přidán 26. 05. 2024
- The far right are on the march in Germany and the anti-immigrant Alternative for Germany (AfD) has become the most popular party in several states.
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Immigration and a sense of being economically left behind have been driving factors in the rise in popularity but the Green party and the federal government’s climate policies have also borne the brunt of public anger. The Guardian travelled to Görlitz, on the German border with Poland, to find out to what extent Germany’s green policies are fuelling the far right
Chapters:
00:00 - Intro
00:44 - Görlitz and Saxony are a far right stronghold
01:25 - What do people in Görlitz think of the Green party and climate change?
02:32 - A far right rally in Görlitz - The Free Saxons and the AfD
05:11 - Attacks on the Green party, Robert Habeck and Ricarda Lang
05:34 - 'We've had death threats' - attacks on the Green party in Görlitz
07:29 - Interview with Sebastian Wippel, AfD
09:14 - A Fridays for Future protest in Munich
How climate policies are becoming focus for far-right attacks in Germany ► www.theguardian.com/world/202...
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How climate policies are becoming focus for far-right attacks in Germany ► www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/30/how-climate-policies-are-becoming-focus-for-far-right-attacks-in-germany
Covid vaccine was forced on people based on feelings. Climate refugees don't exist, only economic migrants. Climate activists are children, who don't pay energy bills, therefore they don't care for people who cannot pay energy bills.
I like how in the first minute of this video you hold a microphone to a Greens party supporter to allow her to claim to have received death threats, while you hide the information than several AfD politicians have been physically assaulted by supporters of the Green party.
Israel has been funding the far right, in order to cause unrest secure more money and weapons for themselves
What's fueling the right is pretty easy to answer: the left has abandoned the working class and has become the political spectrum of young privileged academics. Social justice has gone from improving the living situations of everyone to identity politics. The left is preoccupied with LGBTQ issues, gendering our language and creating unrealistic climate goals and agendas with no plan about how to finance it or what the additional costs mean for the poor.
The central "middle class" parties have also shifted into that direction, the liberal right is the political spectrum of the upper class/ "employers", so all that is left for the people wanting to protest and having their fears and actual problems addressed is the far right which is jumping in to fill that void of representation for the German poor and thereby gathering votes while bringing their explosive core ideology along as a side note to the voters.
That's why people vote for AfD? A party founded by the most conservative and industry friendly politicians?
A party that does not want to tax rich people? A party that wants to punish the poor?
Right on everything except for the "German poor"/working class. Most of us are not poor and we don't believe the German legacy/state media or whatever this Guardian newspaper says. We live in medium/big cities in the West and we aren't voting Ampel/CDU.
I agree. And some can say this word by word about Brazil or Portugal, for example. It's a global issue.
Very well put
That’s the explanation from “working class” brutes at the bottom of the runt trying o sound smart.
The reality is that right wing populist parties exploit those same blue collars they think are being empowered. The left puts the blames on the corporations and the uber rich, the right points the blame at the left. That’s exactly what you have done.
And let me put it very clear so you think I mince words…. Robber barons like Rockefeller that initially had his empire built on kerosene did an incredible campaign AGAINST Edison, electricity and JP Morgan that was funding that. If it would have been for Rockefeller, we would still be using kerosene lamps instead of electricity so long as his profits weren’t harmed.
I understand that farmers and small cities feel obsolete and ignored. But that doesn’t give them the right to denigrate professions and institutions. It’s sad that careers and trade jobs disappear but that is technology due to the rate that knowledge grows. In the 1900, knowledge doubled at the rate of every century. In 1945, knowledge doubled at the rate of every 25 years. In 2020, knowledge doubles at a rate of every 12 hours. The longer that we spend fighting each other holding on to old ways, the worse entire humanity is gonna be…. Trying to resist something that we cannot resist.
this is what happens when enough microplastics get lodged in people's brains
Or what happens when mass immigration isn't handled effectively by governments and the migrants don't integrate into society. It leaves the door open for right wingers to blame a countries ills on migrants.
AFD: party of microplastics 😂😂
I know the ruling class is full of them.
@@soccerguy325 Party of micro...something.
and arrogant comments like yours give rise to the far right
They are misunderstanding the world by assuming the economy is some fundamental reality to which everything else must conform. It’s hard to blame them when money is the fundamental currency which determines our fate. This, of course, is the real problem. We’re trying to save two systems which are incompatible. Yet admitting the economic model is flawed means conceding that wealth divisions are arbitrary.
Yes, and it’s this dissonance that is the breeding ground for fascism
The irony is that their economic policies will eventually lead to the complete collapse of the economy and yet they parade around as the saviours of the economy. The only economy they actually care about is the one they live through. The future means nothing to these sickos.
The irony is that these same idiots complain about big corporations buying up farms and controlling our lives (they often call the German government a corporation for being greedy) and they fundamentally don’t understand that progressive people not only agree, but actually want to change that, instead of just complaining
Yes! We need to think of the economy as a subset of nature, not the other way around. But the subjugation of nature is fundamental to capitalism. There is no other way but to reject the endless accumulation that it lends itself to
materialism & consumerism has corrupted the minds of most people that they forgot to reconnect & spend time with nature 😔
Yooo. Germany is gonna remind me of my Argentinian grandpa 👨🏼🦳
Really? How so? Was he on of the Peronists that transformed Argentina from a rich 1st World country into the pathetic basket case it's been for almost a century now?
@@WAGNERMJW He's joking about how it's going to turn back into nazis because nazis fled to Argentina after ww2
😂😂😂😂😂 what ???
That was a good twist ,😂@@WAGNERMJW
@@ethancox1826 WAGNERMJW is joking how exactly these people ruined Argentina. Chill
You mean shutting down working nuclear power plants amidst an energy crunch was a bad idea, especially for a manufacturing-heavy economy that guzzles a shit ton of energy?! Who woulda thought?!
The nuclear power plants that were still on the grid were no longer safe by today's standards. New construction takes many years. France is dependent on nuclear power, and a lot of heating is done with electricity. It has had to buy electricity from Germany in recent years due to the drought in the rivers. Nuclear power is the most expensive of all.
@@arnodobler1096Two winters ago we had a problem with the maintenance of our nuclear plants, since last winter everything is working fine and we regularly sell surplus abroad, namely to Germany.
@@arnodobler1096disagree. No longer safe? 😂
@@bunnystrasse The youngest were from 1982!!!
@@arnodobler1096 how come no new ones were built then?
The term far right is misused so much these days
No.
Here it fit quite well.
@@alphastratus6623 they are far right because they disagree with green taxes? Far right meant Nazi's or fascists not just people that don't agree with you.
The road to far-right power is paved with people telling you to not overreact.
As is far left. Everyone seems to have become a narrow-minded reductionist and voicing any concern that doesn’t entirely fit a given narrative is enough to get people tarred with this or that label and altogether dismissed afterwards.
“The only thing that we learn from history is that we learn nothing from history.” Hegel
I like writing this on walls. I've never gotten as far with hegel as I have with other philosophers, but that line is a banger for graffiti.
I think his books are banned.
@@calvinsummers3349 I do not know what you are talking about, but in Germany you can buy Hegels books in nearly every book shop.
Someone once said that playing with Fascism is like holding an angry dog by the ears.
Someone also once said that the anti fascist of the future will be the real fascist. I think it was Churchill. So I am curious what you think you should do against us.
Yeah Problem is there are No faschists in germanyb
@@keto0303 Guess what: the AfD calls the actual german government fascist in some comments.
@@keto0303he said that in the political context of the Cold War targeted at the soviets with his typical anti communism as if I care about that bourgeoise politician when he sent tanks to Glasgow and Liverpool and starved the Bengalis
The left is losing.
Those far right farmers and ordinary citizens are just hazardous … lol. labeling is not argument
Very good eyes bro 👌
Soooo ridiculous and also sad what's going on with Good old Germany...
they are walking with a far right party, which has neonazis and facsists in it (freie sachsen). How else would you call them then?
Description isn't one either. Far right is a kind of ordinary people. I'd bet my life that those are land owners who employ farm workers, not actually farmers.
I also don't know why this video chooses to represent the green party as if it is the sole defender of the german climate effort. All sorts of german parties have very elaborate climate programs and there is no reason to circle out the green party in particular here, as merely the fact that they slap a green label onto themselves doesn't make their party the best suited for the job. A lot of green party climate policy is, frankly, amounting to nothing but a financial burden in consumers - which is precisely what has driven some other people to oppose climate policy as a whole in the first place. When the gas prices have risen sky high following the Russian invasion of Ukraine, we have seen direct proof that german citizens will keep driving their cars even when faced with enormous cost hikes - often because public transport isn't developed enough to be a viable alternative for them. And yet, it is still a main tenet of the green party to artificially make cars more expensive to try to bully car-users to switch to those nonexistent alternatives. All this does is impoverish the people with no climate effect. And yet the green is presented as the shining beacon of environmentalism.
Imagine the damn conservatives would agree to redistributing all the wealth back to the working people created in the last decade. AfD would evaporate, as people would not fear losing their money anymore.
Well you see, that is not how capitalism works. Letting the working class win by giving them what they want is more harming to the system than letting the AFD grow further.
Communism hasn’t work anywhere it was tried, but you lunatics still think other people’s money should be yours.
No. The restrictive leftist politics attacking free speech and freedom in general, lost of national souveranity in favour of the eu without asking the people about it and the mass migration bringing new levels of disaster and threatening to replace the european people are thriving factor for voting the right
Yeah but the voters are too stupid
There are no conservatives in the government right now.
What is the problem if AFD wins in elections?
It means that this is what the people want. That is exactly the definition of democracy. The will of the people expressed through vote.
So Hitler was ok, too?
@@CaribouEnowell that’s the problem, there is this view that anyone who is more rightwing than the centre-right are automatically Nazis. How hard can it be to simply listen (both sides should do this) and understand people’s concerns without dismissing them as Nazis/Communists.
@@CaribouEno Unlike the AfD, the failed Austrian painter was a socialist, so you can hardly compare the two. Either way, all parties in the Bundestag are pretty much garbage.
Its not what the majority wants. Its what 20% of the population wants and yet they could completely misuses resources that are meant for all with repercussions that can be irreversible!
Climate crisis is not something to be taken lightly. We are on hurtling towards a point of no return. We have to act now.
so, there are entire books written on this in the field of political science but I'll try to keep it short: basically what the AfD is advocating for is not a representative democracy as we know it but one that is characterized by what is oftentimes called "dictatorship of the majority" meaning that a homogenous "Volk" with the absolute majority get to make decisions for everyone else. Whereas most Western democracies are build on a consensus basis, where all voices are heard, the AfD rejects the idea of pluralism but instead argues for an absolute rulership with only one right answer to our most complex questions. They are also ethnically-nationalistic meaning that they decide who is German and who isn't according to mostly artifical and inconsistent criteria, which then decides whether you are seen as part of the majority or not, and they are also anti-liberal, meaning if you don't agree with their way of politics, you will get sanctioned. I don't know about you, but that certaintly doesn't sound like democracy to me.
Idiocy and populism have always appealed to those unable or unwilling to think critically.
Well, look at the absolute shit mess global socialism has provided. A failure to notice this proves an inability to think critically....
Thinking critically in the European context would lead you to want strict border and immigration control
@@AlbertBormant Have you ever been to a european border? I would recommend Gibraltar and Turkey.
Here is some critical thinking for you: We used to call politicians actually listening to their voters “democrats” now we call them “popularists”. It shows contempt for the population and elitism on the left. We’ll see more crazy reactions from people trying to find expression for their frustrations if this continues. The law of unintended consequences. Discuss.
I like how you put idiocy and populism together, you could argue that people now are using critical thinking to go against the mainstream narrative.
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean they are idiots and wrong.
Farmers are far right now. Thanks for the heads up guardian, you should boycot food for a few months in protest.
Nobody said that.
@@reBlink Yes, thy said it.
@@lznicu Can you give me the time stamp?
@@reBlink we expect that leftists like you can't infer information that isn't explicitly stated
As a german this enrages me. They are paid for with pur tax dollars ffs
Such is the nature of society.
It is more Rubles from the Kremlin fueling most far right parties in Europe.
Who are "paid for" with your tax dollars? But it doesn't enrage you that all those noneconomic regressive technological windmills and solar farms were crammed down the throat of the German nation and impoverishing it?
More likely with Russian рубль
It's Euro's - are you really German, ffs? Lol
Far right? Those are farmers.
The guardian is far left.
@@flyingpuma9729 you dont know what left is
@@duckface81 We certainly do.
Everybody that doesn't read the Guardian is far right.
Far-right or far-left. Lol
I read it to be thankful of what I left behind. I have never seen as much wasted potential and paedophilia accepted, nay encouraged as I did in my "tenure" on the left 1997-2002. I realised I didn't fit in as I had morals
Spot on. They even call the winning Swedish center party far right, only because it is critical of mass immigration.
Sounds like an upset far right extremist. Sensitive much 😂
What a liberal thing to say 😅
"The Faaar right"
The "Verfassungsschutz", which is a national intelligence service in charge for the protection of the constitution, classifies afd (in saxony) as right-wing extremist.
in Boston they say "the fahhhh right"
@@peepo_hate_ya Of course they will. Just because they do doesnt mean its true. The establishment is scared.
@@keto0303 In this case, it is true and everyone knows this. But some people (who are out of mind) claim, that they cannot be far right or extremists, because they are not as terrible as the austrian painter. But these are not the criteria.
@@DerDrako Thats what they always say. Nobody sensible believes this, that boogy-man is overused. They are on right, but they are not extremists. There are many similar parties in other countries that are doing equally as good and have brought positive change in the debate and policy. Its just the establishment being scared, but people will vote for them anyway because they are tired of the nonsense of the liberal elite. Just because you and they say that they are extremists, doesnt mean they are. You would have to actually provide reasons for it that would convince people that they are. I have seen what they say and believe, and I think they are a perfectly reasonable party.
Supporting Putin in Germany is silly
I was shocked when a Jewish person appear support the green young people and talking about "nazis". It's like to be in 20's.
you can't have welfare state and open border at the same time.
you can't have a future of welfare if your country's birth rate is declining each year with no alternative
@@oussamafataicha2987 Japan doing well. South Korea doing well.
@@thebatman8864 are you for real ? have you seen the gdp of Japan , imagine that Japan gdp in 1995 is higher than it gdp in 2024 by 1.5Trillion $. and also fertility rate is not a big problem now but it will be in 20-30 years
of course you can. why not?
Ofcourse. Statistics have been very clear about this for many years. Some immigrant groups work hard, such as the Poles and Indians, while various others have a majority of its members on welfare.
I don’t understand this problem with green energy, it is now among the cheapest ones and the subsidy for them is nothing close to what fossil fuels receive. So, even before putting climate change into question, green energy just makes sense.
But certain people only hear “renewable energy” and see high energy prices. That's as far as their analysis goes. They don't understand that the prices were actually so high because of gas.
Let's see how cheap green energy is when the tax revenue from oil and gas disappears. The climate changers haven't said where all that missing revenue is going to come from to build/maintain streets, roads, highways. How are you going to power blast furnaces when you haven't even figured out how you are going to power all these electric vehicles? Totally clueless bunch to where oil is used in the World in a multitude of industries. How many kilowatts do you think it would take to power the vehicles of people in just one apartment block, not to mention the power consumed in their apartment? What about those of us living where winter temperatures drop as low as MINUS 40 DEGREES and lower? What's going to keep us warm?
@@KStewart-th4sk You can run furnaces on hydrogen. And there are extensive models that show in detail what capacities are required - including electric cars.
Tax revenues can easily be offset by levies on renewables and, for example, emissions trading. This has been happening already and tax revenues are stable and have not fallen.
Presenting all of this as unsolved problems is wrong.
The energy can be cheap, but you nee massive investment into energy transmission systems. Fess for the energy transmissions goes up, plus there are subsidies for the so called "green" staff. (It could be renewable, but it is not green)
This energy scholar wishes to explain all the facts you have wrong. You speak of green ELECTRICITY. There are no electric tractors ...
The rejection is not limited to the right-wing extremists, it extends far into the center.
Shut down ALL coal plants and give the people nuclear power. It is an atrocious lie that every nuclear power plant is Chernobyl waiting to happen.
You are dead wrong: Atomic power is anywhere near of benign environmentally friendly or low co2.
It is mainly not about possible accidents. Nuclear power makes no economic sense because it is very expensive; creates dependence on uranium suppliers; is not sustainable; creates intergenerational injustice through nuclear waste; is ill-suited as a bridging technology when switching to renewables; privatizes profits - collectivizes costs and risks; can only be used at suitable locations; ...
You get the picture.
Ok, so you want to build new nuclear power plants. Fine. You'd just have to wait 25 years until they are finished.
btw, shutting down coal was and is exactly what Germany wants to do. The Merkel government just hit the brakes on renewables.
@@knalltutemichl3473 I've never read a sentence that was more factually wrong in my life.
@@yasminesteinbauer8565 You are very ignorant, it doesn't matter that you write a lot, everything you say is a lie. You cannot have an industrial country with work with renewable energies, we need gas and nuclear energy. Mobile energy shows high costs and more poverty.
Climate change doesnt exist - says central european
Man u don't need to travel to central africa or south asia to see it affecting peoples lives today, u can literally just go to spain
Its disheartening that people are just conceptually stuck in such a small local world and are unable to think globally
Since europe is so far up north we're going to be least affected
Its so scary to think that a huge climate migration is inevitable, and people here just cant comprehend the humanity of the people escaping and seeking safety here in europe
But no evidence can prove human activities and industrialization can result in climate warmer. Green policys should not destroy the living of working class.
Exactly there should be far more investment into green technologies not less. Nature replaces people who can't adapt.
You do not even need to go to Spain. Germany had multiple years of drought and events like the Ahr flooding in 2021. Notice however that actually none of the interviewed claims that climate change doesn't exist. They either claim that climate change is a natural thing or that it doesn't matter because nobody cared before and it cannot be stopped anymore anyway.
I think the really scary part is that even when you remove the racist bullshit and the fact that it is incredibly stupid not to invest into green energy and stuff, there is a grain of truth there: It is indeed very likely that climate change has allready reached a point of no return, even significant effords by Western powers will likely not be sufficent to stop a rise in fossile fule consumption as newly industrialised countries won't be able to replicate the effords and there is no workable plan to accommodate for such a mass migration in any meaningfull manner.
learn data analysis you absolute victim of low education. the greens are a sect pushed by big industry and their agenda is everywhere. pay more make the rich richer
Too bad the greens closed 15 gigawatts of clean nuclear energy and spiked German electricity sector CO2 emissions. 😢😊
If you can tell people how they can live their lives, then why can't other people tell you how to live yours?
You don't need to protest, You need to find a lawyer and also a experienced environmentalist They help negotiate the green policies for your, and see what is best for you. Ill put them on the website, for a signature protest. I think there needs to be someone to help understand how the specific policies will impact you personally. That's why I'm going to meet with the Albertan farmers here in Canada, with a Environmentalists, and Lawyers.
Be careful what the News tell you, its not always the truth. ( this news story is reasonable seems factual)
This is Activism, there is no need to fight, one must learn the art of negotiation. " Fight with the pen, Not protest"
Everyone is way too loose in the use of the label "Nazi". They need to make a study of those this label has historically been applied to. It is a divisive issue. It's no wonder Putin uses it so loosely, even as his hordes are devastating Ukraine very much as the real historic Nazis did.
pretty difficult to argue about climate change with someone who doesnt believe in climate change
*man made. They accept mostly that there is an Climate Change but they mostly say the humans can not change it.
Pretty difficult to argue with someone who does!
I think they are protesting because Europe has done a poor job of ensuring that the cost burden of various green policies is shared in a way that is decently fair, or at least recognized as being an honest attempt to approximate such sharing without too badly damaging certain industries or people's livelihoods. I think that is helping to fuel the far-right in Germany and in a number of countries.
The problem is that we urgently need to transition to a green and sustainable way of living, but all the main political parties are serving the same neoliberal capitalist overlords, including the greens, so the burden is being placed on the working class instead of on the people actually responsible for the damage.
Baby do not born just tomorrow. Green should make people in love with green and see the future of green.
Stopping people's livelihood and investment is basically killing the people, killing Germany in large. Green must give alternative to affected people and compensation to others lost.
China has been the green country of future not because the government force them. Chinese people love green and government facilitate with policy.
To the German green, please do not force people to accept something they don't want.
bad politics of the last few years is what mostly fuels them and rightfully so
Ok, please give 5 substantial examples of flaws in recent major political decisions in Germany (apart from the two major ones such as preventing the speed limit on Autobahns and legalization of cannabis).
You see, there are none.
@@brocanova What are the flaws in legalising cannabis? Illegal drug dealing decreases as people can smoke weed legally, the cannabis can be taxed, people have gained a freedom
@@brocanova banning of nuclear, migrantion, slow reaction to help ukraine and russian appeasement, reversal of linux adoption to appease corporations, over-extensive climate regulations on farmers that the government wont pay for.
@@brocanova
You must live alone in a cave to ask for examples of what everyone knows in Germany.
@@brocanova
-Iragulätet migration( the criminal statistic is skyrocketing, there are more people getting paid by the state wherever citizenship and citizens)
-The housing crisis
-energy prices are skyrocketing
- Help for development in other countries while our own people can't afford shit anymore (we pay china and India money)
- Food prices are skyrocketing
- The EU sucks our money out like a vampire
-the lack of Skilled workers
- Olaf Scholz and cum ex
- Olaf scholz... gave China huges parts of the Port of Hamburg
-Inflation
-Nursing emergency
-ageing population
- the School System is breaking apart
-lack of investment in our infrastructure
Like...pick one. All problems exist because of bad policy.
This was a good report, informative & all, cheers.
loved how calm and fair the reporter was. Didn't feel preachy which turned me off previous guardian vids.
It's like before. They point to others as the culprits and have no solutions.
Doch sie haben lösungen
@@peter9703 No, other than turning back the clock 30 years they offer nothing.
Business groups, social security services, workers unions, even christian societies all say that AfD poilitics are bad for Germany.
@@peter9703 Oh, they have solutions? Which ones? Would you mind listing those?
@@peter_meyer remigration
@@peter9703 What's that. Mind to explain? Germans "remigrating" to Poland and Austria?
All-green and all-denialist policy demand competition is part of the problem here in America too. I think the propaganda for both parties has people arguing, in their powerlessness wanting to be right in their outrage rather than finding common sense solutions that are environmentally conservative.
Right wing government always better than left wing governments
Yeah bro history has always shown what right wing governments eventually evolve into or devolve into hysteria and idiocy
Basically saying the holocaust and nazi germany was not as bad as the Soviet Union? Go learn some history, idiot
It seems the man with the big mustache is forgotten
@@History_Channel2you know that not true
@The_king567 yes it is
When people feel like they live in a place that is unfamiliar to them and doesn't feel like the country they grew up in that's when shit like this starts to happen. Germany has destroyed many communities because of low birth rates. I truly feel for these disenfranchised people
They grew up in unsustainable central planned comunist economy, which is main cause of their misery. Now their economic problems are worsened because they stupidly believed Russia will not weponize their relying on gas.
Yet, on the street you can hear "we support Putin"!😂
"Germany has destroyed many communities because of low birth rates." You are implying intent. What exactly is 'Germany' doing to reduce birthrates? Do they run adverts to abstain from sex? Please enlighten me.
Every art school in Germany better have 100% acceptance rate right now.
We already have a crazy ex history teacher in the afd going rouge, spewing SA quotes and desperately trying to become relevant.
The term far right is oversued.
That said the simping for an actual fascist like Putin is mindboggling.
Why do they have to label everybody. "Far Right" .....Nah, they're just economy-minded citizens who are trying to make ends meet. By labeling them is a means to an end.
the economy in eastern germany was better with the sed (sozialistiche einheitspartei deutschlands). sahra wagenknecht and her bündnis are a better way to go.
@@redsamson5185 Oh, so you want to build a wall again?
"Economy-Minded"? Yeah, like we're not all economy-minded? The difference is that liberals typically know when to say enough is enough, I have enough wealth. Let's start sharing it a little. And cuntservatives have no clue when enough is enough, because they've been following the money from the beginning and their consciousness (and conscience) has been hijacked by lust for money and power. It doesn't help that they don't read and generally despise art, things that might shake up their world-view.
Ever notice the patterns? They right-wing bloodsuckers take all the money and power that they can, and then when things get really heated up, they turn to the "working classes" to rile them up and point out this or that scapegoat who they conveniently invented out of thin air. I mean, they can't appeal to anyone with a good education, so it's "working class" people (i.e. always WHITE working class people, uneducated and preferably stupid and religious) and business graduates of any ethnicity who are still holding out for some kind of American dream to materialize for their own personal gain, though that dream has been on the decline for at least 45 years (since the dawn of neoliberal political-economies reared their regressive ugly heads).
And the world she turns. Keep drinking the koolaid, and pass the elfin' beer nuts.
They call themselves "Reichsbürger", they are as right wing as it comes
@@Yeeter000 They dont. "Reichsbürger" isnt a general term for AfD-supporter, "Reichsbürger" is a small group of radicals that collects a lot of media attention by claiming that the german federal republic is essentially an illegitimate state. While they are often AfD-supporters, the party and the rest of their members has nothing to do with them.
My advice to younger people who are worried about the climate; study engineering. Learn how and why the proposed systems to be implemented might be ineffective in stopping climate change and drive up the costs of electricity enormously, and what the effect of this will be on society. Study electrical infrastructure, field theory, study the historic thermal power plant infrastructure, and come together and make something fantastic. The greenhouse affect is a thing, and everyone wants cleaner air to breathe. But the statistics have been overblown are being used to radicalize youths by people who have special interests.
Whats your scientific background?
@@emiliohoms6491 Im the chief engineer of a gas fired power plant, and I've been doing that line of work for 10 years, and have been keenly studying engineering for a decade before that.
Further , the green in Germany is against nuclear power which very much environmentally green. There is no need to create big nuclear plants , each councils can make small nuclear plants according to their local needs .
People with special interest like you ( because you work in the fossil fuel industry? What a dumb take. Switch to renewables asap, read the ipcc if you have doubts.
Are the greens called the far left
The greens are a center-left party in Germany.
I would called them a right wing party. Totally anti-social.
@@peter_meyer And they say we Germans don't have humor!
@@peter_meyer The greens are left wing extremists, but nice try to normalize these bigots.
@@hopfinatorischerkuchenkrieger @vermillion calls them far left, @happyfelix calls them right wing.
is that a Supra!!!
Classy taste 👌
The questions for the greens lady could be a bit more critical (like those for the afd politician). Bit of a missed opportunity.
I am a foreigner in Germany who came here to do my masters and then continue living here for my PhD and then for my job. The biggest threat to Germany is not the so called "far right" as they like to call all the parties that doesn't follow leftist policies but the leftist agenda.. letting in millions and millions of unvetted migrants who live in self formed migrant neighborhoods without any integration and mooching off of tax payer's hard earned money and talking shit about the country that have them refuge is the biggest problem here. Germany has completely abandoned it's working class and old people and been courting migrants for votes Is the very reason Germans have been voting the other unpopular parties as a protest.
Wow, so much miss information in one post. As a bio-german-potato myself: Always love the refugees here, who were successfull and then complaining about the refugees struggeling and not so mich successful. Have you ever considered that your attitude might just be an unconscious strategy to make yourself less vulnerable by thinking like a right-wing German? Your arguments are basic right-wing propaganda.
@@rudi1810you Lack critical thinking pal
Either the interviewer is just as left-wing as she is or he was trying to nail that Green Party chick because that was the most softball interview ever. She made some comment about these people being "losers" in the "1990 transformation" and being afraid of being "losers" in "the current transformation." Um... OK... hey environmentalist lady, what is this "current transformation" you are speaking of? Why is it happening? Who is driving it? How is it affecting everyday people? Was this something that was decided democratically? Do you think maybe "these people" have a right to be concerned? It's like, the whole point of this interview is to figure out why people are lashing out at the Green Party, a radical environmentalist party pushing a top-down climate hysteria agenda, and the interviewer just totally whiffs it. Oh, Gee, IDK, I guess it's just those mean AfD people tricking everyone into hating us for no reason... hur dur....
Same old story: Mortys killing Mortys
If we can’t fix man made climate change, I just hope and pray that the deniers live to see its incontrovertibility.
“Oops, guess we were wrong after all, sorry! I’m old now so I will die in a few years, but you have fun in the ruins of civilization I guess!”
There is no such thing as man made climate change . Ask any of the scammers that promote that fallacy how the miniscule quantities of gas in the naturally volatile atmosphere can physically cause warming . They will not truthfully be able to tell you because that is not how gases work , they cannot warm anything
The sad thing is they'll start acting like no one could have predicted it and we couldn't have stopped it anyway.
Don't underestimate the capabilities of coping.
4 years ago there were people that died from a disease they swore didn't existed. They wouldn't believe it even has it stopped them from breathing.
Being a denier slowly becomes an identity and it's hard to admit you lived a lie.
I'm sorry to say i don't think there will be a time when all the deniers will see anthropogenic climate change as true, regardless of how high the seas rise.
I think anyone unconvinced (few and far between now I’m sure) would just call that a false-positive tbh
Tut mir ja fast leid das sagen zu müssen, aber nur weil man die Grünen hasst ist man noch lange nicht rechts und nur weil man rechts ist - wenn man es den überhaupt ist, weil oft ist man es eben nicht und gehört überhaupt keiner Strömung an bzw. ist nicht auf eine beschränkt (was wenn man mal ehrlich ist ohnehin sehr beschränkt wäre) wird aber einfach als das abgestempelt - ist man nicht gleich böse. Manche Leute sollten sich echt mal informieren was diese ganze Rechts, Links, Mitte Spektra überhaupt bedeuten bzw. wie sie zu stande kommen bzw. auch historisch zu stande kamen.
Es ist krass wie solche Begriffe nach wie vor als Schlagwörter und Keulen missbraucht werden. Mit dem Extrembeispiel Nazi oder auch Faschist. Keinerlei Vorstellungen davon was das überhaupt ist oder war.
In der heutigen Demokratie läuft eine Menge falsch... selbsterklärte Demokratieretter die sich ähnlich faschistischen Methoden bedienen um nicht nur selbsterklärte Demokratiefeinde sondern eben auch Gegner und allgemein Menschen mit anderen Sichtweisen an den Pranger zu stellen und tatsächlich auch gesellschaftliche Spaltung zu ihren Gunsten betreiben.
Demokratie ist, dass man sich gemeinsam mit den Sichtweisen zusammensetzt und einen Kompromiss findet und an Lösungen arbeitet, statt nur darüber zu lamentieren und leere Versprechen abzugeben. Stattdessen läuft es oftmals gegeneinander und selten tatsächlich nach dem Wille des Volkes, zumal das bei Weitem auch nicht alle mit einbezieht. Viele Menschen sind komplett außen vor - insbesondere eben die am Rand. Und im Endeffekt spricht überhaupt nicht jeder mit von wegen Wahlen. Die Masse bestimmt den Ausgang. Das kann nicht angehen, genau so wenig das Politiker sich aufführen wie Adel und Herrscher. Zumal oftmals ja sogar aus den Reihen 'von' und 'zu'. Für sowas hatten unsere Vorfahren garantiert ihre Revolutionen nur damit sich das Pack dann halt einfach wählen lässt statt sich einfach selbst auf den Thron zu setzen.
Aber auch allgemein den Eliten ohne irgendwelchen Bezug zu bürgerlichen Sorgen, Ängste und generell Angelegenheiten. Hauptsache persönliche Macht, Interessen und Einfluss stimmt. Und oftmals eben auch Gehalt. Schließlich beträgt das bei den Spitzenpolitikern auch mindestens 5000€ aufwärts oftmals sogar bis zu 20.000€ monatlich und eine Menge extras auf Staatskosten. So Leute bestimmen dann über Mindestlohn und urteilen darüber ob ein Regelsatz für Bürgergeld und Grundsicherung sowie Rücklagen angemessen sind.
Prost 🍻 👍🏼
Wenn man mit freien sachsen demonstriert dann muss man durchaus mit der einschätzung leben können, als rechter dargestellt zu werden
4:12 In Germany we call such dudes "Intelligenzbestie" :D
😂😂😂 A Greens politician saying that ‘they are not making politics based on evidence, but on feelings’ !?!?
You have got to love the self awareness of this lady.
Actually, the science is clear. Man made climate change is real. But I assume you feel that this cannot be true.
And yourself?
Hi... I usually like your videos, but in this video, the background noise is so loud, I can hardly hear the narrator. It's impossible to understand anything.
Even the closed captions make no sense.
"Asceticism in most cases is either the result of a sordid imagination or of passion diverted from its natural course, and experience has shown that when the protection of public morals is entrusted to its votaries, the consequences are usually appalling".
Rudolf Rocker
Enemies of the World
Worst than Rodents
There are aspects for which the German Greens deserve heavy criticism, like shutting down the German nuclear power plants, which is just an incredibly stupid idea, ironically most of all from the climate perspective. But it's really sad to see farmers of all people protesting against decarbonization, when climate change is impacting agriculture the most. Like one of the biggest reason why we are trying to stop climate change is to make sure we can grow enough food in the future, to protects our crops from droughts, heat waves, extreme weather. Farmers should be the biggest climate campaigners.
The nuclear power plants where shut down by Merkel.
May I suggest you to read more about how green policies affect farmers around the world? It all started in Canada, then Holland, and lately in France, Spain and Germany. They are making it very difficult for them to produce what we eat because of the new green laws that prohibit whatever they use to be productive. Plus the higher fuel prices. You won't find reliable information in the legacy media, they have either ignored the movement or tried to present them as "far right".
As I got it, there tends to be much more for the farmers than just not wanting to decarbonize. The pprotests were set off as the german government wanted to cancel subsidies for fuel meant for agricultural businesses. Because of expected increase in production costs, farmers went to protest, although a few of them appeared to be inftrated by far-right "activists". The infiltration got condemned from the leading farmers' association. Farmers are also not per se anti-green, in fact, the green federal minister for agriculture even solidarised with the protestors and gave some speeches there.
German farmers will never be suffering from climate change because Germany is and will be cool and moist. They don't care that farming in countries further to the South will suffer.
Hahahahaha
I hope germany finally comes back to normal.
Back to normal ? When was that ?
@@McMcMike11 1933
@@McMcMike1180s, 90s were huge, culturally. Today the culture is way more shaped by the internet and the cultures which are outside your front door decline and structures break down. The real life becomes less valuable because the internet space grows in value in turn creating a need to create something in real life because we see that in fact it is way more important to have a stable and working real life than internet cultures.
@@mravrg5590 90s was like stage 3 cancer with stage 4 today
What would that look like exactly?
"Far-right" Or in other words, common sense void from ideological insanity
Racism, transphobia, homophobia, sexism are not "common sense". They are using your fears to make you hate people you perceived as different, the same way the nazis did
A video that starts with „the far right“ usually is a leftist phantasy horror story. So is this video.
modern society has been built without escape door. enjoy the last decades of relative well being.
MGGA. Make Germany great again. If they start wearing that slogan on red ball caps, you know you're in trouble. Don't take them lightly. They're not wackos. They're not crazies. They're bigots who are very serious about what they're doing
AFD beste Partei 💙💙
Why? What's so terrible about being a patriot?
@khronostheavenger8923 being a Chinese and/or Russian spy for one
@@khronostheavenger8923 The AfD are not patriots. They are nationalists. There's a distinct difference.
biden is very serious too, destroying the usa.
Far left media...
What are you talking about? The Guardian is far left now? Because they are reporting on a far-right party and exposing the fact that they deny science? Or not hiding their violence and death threats? Or is there anything else that hurt your feelings? What a thick...
It's the east. In the old Western-Germany the AfD will get maybe 15%. In the former GDR around 40%. And Görlitz is a liberal city there (sry4 my broken english)..
Good video, I think narration of English over the top could be a good idea. Many people listen as they are busy but don’t watch….. all the best
😢😢😢now you realize, your Guardians reporters job is crucial and vital because....evil never sleeps , the threat of new extremists trends are there to mess up our lives instead of seeking for peace and understanding 😢😢😢 there's so much to hate, some people feel worthy having enemies to fight against, for first, the vulnerable ones, war refugees or immigrants, then women and handicap suffering ones, something to take advantage on 😢😢😢
Nonsense. Nobody said anything hateful whatsoever. You're projecting that onto unrelated people because you want to feel like some sort of "justice warrior". 90% of liberalism is just masked narcissism
Was für evil du vogel
Farmers arent far right
Dein Name sagt ja schon alles! 🤮
Alter, dein Profilname und Bild ziehen deine Aussage in ein komisches Licht...
@@oiwiefein3305 Ich bin es schon
@@oiwiefein3305wo ist das Problem linker
@@peter9703 mein Problem besteht darin dass Leute die in der Vergangenheit leben das heutige Deutschland lächerlich machen. Dafür haben wir unsere Politiker.
ALL the un"adjusted" climate data, either direct or proxy, proves that the AGW hypothesis is false. Saying otherwise is mere AGW devotional mantra.
If they greens are serious about climate, the easiest thing they can do is de-escalate wars through peaceful negotiations. Instead, they are among the most pro-war parties in the world. Doesn't matter which side you choose, you have to do what reduces violence. Instead the Green-led coalition has chosen sides in the 2 wars that prolongs the conflict and causes damage to human life, infrastructure, economy and anything useful in the regions.
What country are you talking about? You're certainly not talking about Germany because in that country, the "Grünen" have never led a coalition. From 1995 until 2005 and again since 2021, they were always in the minority in coalitions led by the Social Democratic Party.
@@wishlist_12wishlist55 Sorry, I meant coalitions where Greens were a member.
@@nadmoi And you stand side by side with people who publicly claim "i would vote for Putin"...? Are you serious?
@@peter_meyer If you're talking about the protestors in the video, I'm against almost everything they stand for. My comment was about the current Green party, that is taking horrible policies even for green goals like escalating violence.
@@nadmoi So how would you deescalate a war you are not part of?
At the same time, Germany could bridge the green transition with nuclear power plants but they don‘t due to Ideology.
What you are saying is wrong and has been proven wrong. Nuclear power isn’t cheap nor environmentally or climate friendly. „Yellow cake“ prove this many years ago.
Nuclear power plants are poorly suited as a bridging technology because they are very inflexible. However, power plants that can be ramped up and down quickly are exactly what you want. Gas-fired power plants, for example, are much better suited for this. Apart from that, it takes more than 10 years on average to build a nuclear power plant, which makes it relatively unrealistic.
Shutting down nuclear was a democratically backed decission - not an ideological one.
The ideological one was to hinder the transition to renewables by the Mekel government.
@@yasminesteinbauer8565 I sense a lot of cope in that comment. It would be quite cheap to restart already existing nuclear power plants, compared to what we are doing now.
@@hopfinatorischerkuchenkrieger Then you are neither particularly good at sensing nor do you understand much about the subject.
1:33 You know, I expected some pretty dumb arguments like the one at the start of the video, but these two are quite reasonable.
It's still an emotive argument. Clearing a forest to build wind turbines. Sounds barmy and counterintuitive, but actually it achieves completely different goals. Trees do not produce electricity, trees extract minute amounts of Co2 from the atmosphere, but trees can be sustainably cut down and replanted elsewhere. Wind turbines however are quite selective and limited in where they can go geographically. It makes sense to just replant the trees elsewhere, or use the additional energy to build carbon scrubbers, which are surprisingly much more efficient at extracting Co2 than trees. Don't get me wrong, I care about environmentalism too, but saving the trees is not going to reverse the damage sustained so far.
The CSU party is the worst thing in Germany!!
Unfortunately the Greens are the worse, their Green agenda makes life for already overburdened ordinary ppl more difficult.
Unfortunately the Greens are the worse party. Their green agenda makes life for already overburdened ordinary ppl more difficult.
"extreme rechte"...why not "mega ultron extrem power rechte"?
"ultra power overlord gigarechte"
You are about halfway there, keep going..
double-plus not left?
The Alt-Left Guardian thinks the majority in the centre are 'far right'.
"Alt-Left Guardian" is the funniest thing I've heard today, thanks
Guardian readers are by and large liberals... not leftists. Liberals are centrists more than anything else.
How about two taxes on the uppermost brackets: (1) a 2% per year wealth tax only applying beyond the first €50 million? That plus a 50% tax on all income beyond the first €1 million? Then leave everybody with both less wealth and income out of this. That should raise a lot of subsidy funds very quickly.
Uncontrolled immigration does that.
No. Stupidity does that. The policy of the AfD maybe will stop migration to germany and will get rid of anyone, who THEY think does not belong here, but how does that make your life better? It will not solve the problems of demography, the social systems, the low incomes, the inflation, the economy and so on. Inform yourself about the economic world view of people like Alice Weidel. She thinks, that rich people should not pay taxes at all. If you think that is a good idea, you must be rich too. They also claim, that more CO2 in the athmosphere is even good for us, but on the other hand, they claim that the amount of CO2 does not change through burning coal and oil.
This is a whole new reason (not that I needed a thousandth to add to the list) for me to be chuffed to be a Green campaigner! If you can, to any extent, discern your identity in the whites of the eyes of your enemies, then I'm sitting pretty with who and where I am.
Likewise, my enemies willfully caused the deaths of people for their ideology by blocking ambulances and others. These people you hate haven't harmed anyone.
@@kevinb9830 yep, same. I wouldn't dream of standing in the way of an ambulance and obstructing it. Did you read "Green campaigner" and assume "ambulance-blocking protester" for some reason? There are a hundred or more other ways that I and others use our time to better our cause for a healthier planet. I'm not a protester.
These dangerous conspiracy theorists, pushing nonesense denials about climate change are harming the cause to keep our planet as human-supporting as possible. If that aint harm, you and I are speaking different languages.
I'm happy enough to put myself in opposition to these people, but I don't hate them, friend. I don't bother with that level of emotional investment; they sure as fuck don't deserve it. Lighten up.
The good opportunities to rich migrants rather than ppl who live there originally. This happens as a result. Cause and effect.
A good sequel to this video would be to trace the sources of the information people are consuming and sharing with each other.
Here we go again. 😔
Normalize Ⓐctive labour unions and worker co-ops. Democratize🗳️the workplace. Workers make the world run, workers should run the world☭.🍞🌸📚🏴
Do not expect the AfD to support any of your thoughts.
Socialism does not work, and it never will. It didn't work under the GDR, it didn't work under the Third Reich and it didn't work during the SPD-led period of the Weimar Republic.
@@peter_meyeryeah because they dont Support left extremist 😂
@@peter_meyerany big party dont support this right now
@@peter_meyerSane people don't support that garbage.
Are you being serious, Guardian??? The Greens HAD to be represented by a cute little girl that starts to cry on camera? How low can you go with your completely ridiculous manipulation?
??? She is literally a Green representative for that city. What exactly do you want? A big aggressive black man named Tyrone with prison tattoos? You wanted manipulation to cater to your desired narrative? Get tf over yourself.
Beautiful place
Die armen Grünen!
Where are all these migrants in Germany I keep hearing about?
Didn't see a single one in this video
Still sleeping at 9 or 11 am.
The regions with the highest AFD-votershare are almost always, the regions with the lowest number of immigrants. Reason might be, If you know an Immigrant personally you are not as inclined to believe, that they are some Kind of evil force. Also: regions with low Immigration aren't t able to flourish economical as much as other regions and therefore don't attract as much immigrants, as other regions. (I am not speaking of Refugees that is a whole other topic... because since 2015 politics demolished our right for asylum beyond recognition)
not in the countryside in east germany. they are usually in the big cities (often in the west)
Maybe why they are being attacked is because of what they want to do and are doing to Germany. You get what you preach.
Man what an dumb a*****e you are, ever tried to you use your brain in your life?
There’s on convincing these people - very sad
PS Who ever you hired for your on screen translations needs to be fired, can't blame the auto convert on CZcams because these are hard encoded
I live in Görlitz and would like to say, that only 30% of the voters vote extreme right. Meaning 70% of us are not.
70% idiots
What’s extreme far right? Closing borders and mass illegal immigration is far right?
For Hitler, 33% was enough to come to power.
Nobody Vote extrem right because there IS No extreme right
It took 30% of the Vote to put Hitler into power. It took 30% of the vote for the Communists to coup the Czechoslovak government in 1948, installing a 40 year dictatorship. 30% support for any single party is a serious and high amount of consolidation in any parliamentary electoral system.
I’ve been to Germany; beautiful and mountainous. Ivv seen films of mudslides, avalanches, villages totoally destroyed. Who do they call for emergency assistance?
112 or 110
Only 3 states are beautiful and mountainous. The rest are pretty flat especially in the west near the Dutch and Belgian borders.
@@bargepoled don't forget the north, we aren't only flat - we also don't have any trees :)
@@tellerjunge5342 ich weiss! 😂
Sweden is seeing quite a lot of similar issues, and I just can't help but feel that it's strange that so many seem to not comprehend cause and effect.
Both countries have Green parties that were instrumental in shutting down nuclear power which lead to extreme spikes in power costs, i.e. making life noticeably worse for the majority.
In both countries the mainstream leftwing political discussion has been poisoned by identity politics and LGBTQetcetc questions, which first of all does't really interest the majority, and if it does the majority is generally opposed.
Third, both countries have sort of switched how schools and higher education function, making them much more friendly to women. This might look good on paper, but it means women move to places with higher education at a significantly higher rate than men, which leaves much of the countryside with a gender imbalance that's comparable to the worst situation China had during their one-child period. Multiple academic papers have shown that when the ratio of men:women exceeds 1.15:1, the men tend to become significantly more aggressive and support of extreme ideologies rise sharply. It also exacerbates the demographic issues, since it means women are having less children and later in life too.
Then add to this taking in a huge numbers of mostly male immigrants, who mostly live in the larger cities, and importantly shield their own women aggressively from local men (thus preventing most real cross-culture 'pollination').
What sort of response from the locals did people expect? Hugs and kisses all around?
This is the result of what so-called competent politicians, basing their decisions of facts rather than feeling, have produced.
I mean, how can anyone be surprised that people are now voting for incompetent politicians instead?
Good Point: Will there be more immigrants if we do not fix the climate change - I fully agree: however, are we fixing the situation if we shrink and lower our C02 emissions? No! We just deprive ourselves of the economic power to help billions through innovation!
Ah yes, the greens, who have never had any power anywhere in the world, are the enemy. Hilarious.
They are part of the current German government
they are part of the government in Germany now. How do you define having power if not by that?
they are the ruling party in germany you absolute dim. they are pushed by big industry everywhere
The Green party is in Germany's government, the AfD is not. Think about that for a minute.
@@Viewable11 And what power do they have with the minority vote in a three-way coalition. Your enemies aren't the greens, it's capitalism.
At this point when I see mainstream media label someone far right I basically think they are normal, logical centrists
Interesting that the interviews with AFD and random germans were all carried out in German. And interviews with Greens were mostly in English. Curious if that was the preference of the interviewer, the preference of the interviewies, or just what made sense naturally if some people know more english than others.
Sad
If the green party was actually serious about the clinate they wouldbt have campaigned so vigorously against nuclear power
I do vote AFD in germany. The reason for that is not because im racist or homophobic. The reason for that is because the CDU that was supposed to be a conservative Party now is going to left side and I just feel the AFD is more taking the position as the conservatives. I dont agree with any extreme sides like "far right" or "far left" but i believe that we have to get germany to what it stood for 10 - 20 years ago. Crime rate is going crazy because we let immigrants into the country without checking them. I have nothing against legal immigrants. But i have smth against people that hurt germans. I hope this makes yall realise that AFD doesnt stand for anything far right. Im sure there are far right people in the AFD, but i aint one of them and i aint supporting their cause
Was genau würdest du dir von der CDU wünschen, damit sie wieder wählbar wäre für dich?
Crime rate is declining for decades now. What are you talking about?
@@peter_meyer I'm sorry, but this is factually untrue, and you know very well why. Preventing the media from reporting on certain issues doesn't make the problem just go away.
@@hopfinatorischerkuchenkrieger Oh, so the official numbers published by the state police are wrong?
You surely can tell me all the crimes that are not included in those numbers. There must be a list somewhere.
@@ehgwergtr vlt wenn sie aufhören würde die fahne im wind zu sein
I don't have any party affiliations but this report is really embarrassing in the way it shows favoritism. That's just truly bad journalism.
it is so sad that the misinformation campaigns are not named as the big problem.
Its funny if ppl vote from them if u consider the fine print of their dream policy: not just climate or immigrants, also many social security policies here would be kicked in the trash
My bad. Thats not funny but scary af