Can We Talk about the Denon Prime 4? My thoughts on why this controller may NOT be the end all
Vložit
- čas přidán 26. 08. 2024
- ATTENTION: Check my final review of the Denon Prime 4 here: • The Prime 4 REVIEW. Ha... . It’s super extensive. Enjoy.
In my comments I keep hearing about the denon prime 4 and why it's going to change the way we DJ. Here are some reasons that might not be the answer. - Jak na to + styl
Prime 4 absolutely changed my workflow as a DJ. Standalone/streaming is the way of the future imo.
However, I'm also a house DJ. You mentioned you use a lot of cross fader, jog wheel, etc. I rarely touch any of that when I perform. I use a lot of EQ's/filters/tempo. I don't use the crossfader at all, and i only use the jogwheels to nudge. I don't scratch unless I'm specifically playing hip hop. Anyway, great video! Was nice to see another perspective.
This dude has totally missed the point of the prime 4. If pioneer released a similar bit of kit it would cost around 4k easy. You are getting serious bang for your buck with a prime 4
This dude hasn’t missed the point at all, it’s not just about cost. I think my video was pretty clear on reasons. And you can talk directly to me.
@cleve Not everyone have the privilege of not caring about the price. Maybe for you that's not a problem. But for low budget people Denon prime is a bless.
Dope I didn’t say cost wasn’t important, I said my review wasn’t about cost. I also didn’t say it wasn’t a good controller, it is, but let’s be clear, it’s not cheap.
Cleveland Terry Bowens it’s not cheap, but it is relatively cheap. For the money, nothing else even comes close to this. In terms of all the bells and whistles dj gear, it’s a fucking bargain! I can’t wait to get mine and il probably pickup a ddj400 to keep with a laptop in a bag in case the shit hits the fan.
No sane person is saying this is the end all machine, however this machine is a game changer in many ways, with wifi coming this summer the potential is incredible. This is just version number one of the prime 4, it will get better and Better with time....huge respect to denon for pushing boundaries.
Facts
Agreed!
Hi Terry, great video . I think that the point that you're arguing against here is applicable to practically any performance solution that doesn't have any measure of redundancy - not just against the Prime 4. I'm personally a fanboy: have two Denon SC5000 players with a Reloop Serato DVS mixer, and I use them to control Serato at mobile gigs (my current setup preference). If for whatever reason my laptop crashed , I could fall back on the players to keep doing the job. However, until late last year I was always using a controller with a laptop running Serato on their own, without a true backup to the performing software. Most DJs I know use a hardware/software solution, be it a controller + laptop, media players or standalone units (like the Pioneer XDJ). Hell, some still use CDs (which I find baffling), but even that uses a hardware/software interface. What Denon did with the SC5000 players in 2017 is push the software experience beyond what anyone had done before in standalone players. The Prime 4 is just that software in a package that rivals the XDJ RX2 - that's it. It doesn't solve the problem of the requirements for redundancy solutions. Hopefully Denon's moves these past couple of years set a new standard for standalone software/hardware products that keep the competition fresh and interesting.
For the past four years I’ve dj with the Numark Quad Controller that has two cd turntables built in and to be honest I hardly ever use the laptop because I can bring up all my songs even the ones on the laptop in the small onboard dual screens. So in conclusion, digital dj ing has by for changed the way we dj today.
Yes that is a computer built in, but this computer carries the Denon DJ name. That means when something goes wrong there is no one else to blame. No incompatible updates between operating system and software, etc. When I first started DJing, I started with Traktor and I had so many issues that I think I developed heart condition as a result from the stress of trying to figure out what was wrong. Traktor kept blaming my laptop, but I eventually switched to Serato and problem solved. Although Serato has been amazing it hasn't been flawless. I don't expect the Prime 4 to be perfect, but at least the software and operating system will be stream lined and if there is a problem, only one place to turn to get it fixed!
M&F DJ Group which will be great if Denon actually fixes shit and releases updates. I’ve bought too much technology, even pricier stuff. Where the support drops off to non-existent way before the product’s even at a polished state.
Imho people should wait 3 months before buying to see how the initial support is. This is essentially a beta product, and a pretty damn expensive one at that.
@@Bigheadedwon It is the same platform as their other two prime units that have been out for over a year. They have been supporting with updates and I would expect them to continue to do so.
I just bought it today. We'll see how it goes. I've been searching for the pros and cons for this hardware. And I appreciate your feedback. Reason why I bought it is because the pros outweighed the cons. How versatile and compatible the machine is is pretty awesome. And the fact that it allows more room for improvement won my confidence. Im not saying others dont have similar features but I like the idea Dj world evolving and taking another step towards the future.
I get it man. It's a nice controller.
My friend . So how is the prime 4 now for you
Only thing you don't need a computer for is records, turntables and an analog mixer. Cdjs/media players have computers in them. Lots of mixers even have computers in them, even if they're just weak microprocessors. I'm not saying vinyl is the only real way to dj, just that's the only way to not use a computer of some sort.
I’m wondering if Denon will create a performance version of their software that will work with this controller? As a mobile performer and an open-format club DJ I can’t DJ without a laptop. Organizing my music for all of the events I do would be a huge mess and time consuming. But I really do appreciate Denon pushing new technology even though this controller wasn’t a home run for me.
My “Dream” controller would be a Pioneer DDJ-1000 that runs on Serato with two thumb drive inputs and a zone output as well as the booth output. I’d pay $3000 for it!
Don't forget minimum of 2 quality mic inputs.
Music organization seems pretty good on the Prime actually. There's an internal mechanism to move into crates and playlists. Then there's Engine to do some of the same externally.
Patrick Butler Entertainment you are suppose to be able to connect it with serato. Not sure if you can do that yet but last couple videos I seen there was an update coming out to be able to do that
I think this would be great for wedding djs. Maybe not so much for clubs, and edm. Just my opinion
Prime 4 looks amazing but I still love my XDJ-RX2. It does everything for me
“It’s still a computer”. Thank you for saying what needed to be said.
yes
it can crash at anytime like he said, not bashing it, I tried it, liked it its fancy.... but its not for me, hence the ddj1000 being my at home with my cdj setup. the 1000 just fits my preferences.
and I use rekordbox/virtualdj
I've been using denon gear since their first dual cd deck back in 1990 (yes I'm old) I like denon, it's works for me. I now use the 6000mk2 controller with vdj8. It's rack mountable and as a 1 man dj/mc (no roadie) it's easy to carry from gig to gig.
It doesn't matter what you use as long as you're comfortable with it and most of all you
give the guests a great party.
Great breakdown I'll stick with my SX-2
I'm in total agreement with his very objective review/comments. For me simplicity is key, two things I've learned over the thirty years I've been a DJ , 1 your audience doesn't care about the labels, the bells and whistles on your equipment. 2 it's always about the music . When you buy your equipment buy smart not necessarily expensive . Sometimes I think DJ's particularly the younger ones get caught up with the bells and whistles . Good common sense video !
Okay so that was a great video. I purchased the Prime 4 and it just arrived three days ago. I noticed some features that have been missing from previous Denon models and even Pioneer. The lack of sampler buttons really got to me a little bit. I do like some of the other that has been installed after you've made this video so the low time have improved and it has some great features. For me being used to Serato, and being a video DJ, this is not going to be the unit for me. I'm going to mess around with it for the next few days but it's probably going to return back and end up purchasing another reputable controller.
Answering a few other things you mentioned (I'm an Owner, so I use this controller a lot):
* If you don't like the touch interface, you can attach a keyboard via USB, or browse using the encoder.
& Lastly, once analyzed, the track load time is the exact same as it is for Serato, Rekordbox, etc.
* You can also stream music via WiFi using: beat port, soundcloud, Tidal, etc. So you rarely need to import new music. When I do, I just plug in a USB drive. But again, I'm a house DJ. So, I prepare my sets.
Dj St3rling Not sure if you know but I have an actual super extensive review video on it. czcams.com/video/TK4Wd_uL6vs/video.html
@@ClevelandTerry Nope! I did not know that. I'll go check it out. Thanks boss!
I agree 100%. And it’s too expensive too. Not convinced to buy this controller. I will still stick on what I have.
You pretty much nailed it...the main thing that sticks out at me is that as a professional DJ I have a backup for pretty much everything, backup mixer, backup laptop, backup speakers..so when I see the Prime, its trying to do so many things at once, its a single point of failure..and technically speaking, when you make a piece of equipment do so many things, (be the mixer, computer, etc.) its not as efficient. I'd rather have my laptop and be able to control how fast it is and what IT does...and have my controller so that its responsible for IT does.. Also that tiny screen kind of sucks...
thx for opinion and thoughts... appreciate working dj opinion.. cheers,, sticking with my Pioneer xdj RR
followed U on IG... cheers,
Mr Terry. I have commented before, you were sensitive at first, but it was simple criticism. No one is exempt.
This review, I enjoyed. A few misleading facts, like “you need a computer”, you absolutely don’t. Yes, I own this controller as well.
I agree with you, there is no “Perfect”. It’s all up to the buyer. But there is one area where there is no comparison, build quality and features. Denon hands down. Period. Yes, I’ve OWNED the XZ all the way down. The build quality with Denon is remarkable. As far as software, Engine DJ, I agree as well, is not going to fix the world or change how one DJ’s.
Serato and Virtual DJ are tenured and reliable, yet again, your right, crashes happen.
I appreciate you specifying which audience this post is for, your right, there’s no perfect.
I admire your objective approach.
I will continue to watch.
Thank you for the positive content.
There is an actual real world review of the prime 4 if you haven’t seen that. Check it out.
The Bloody Jog Wheels are too small.. they should of made them bigger
Agreed
They are actually bigger than the mcx8000 jogs and they are fine. Do you own the controller yourself? Cause they just look small next to everything else. The full size 8 inch jogs would be entirely too big on this footprint
Justin B yet the 8 inch platters on the DDJ 1000 fit and it’s about the same size width.
@@ClevelandTerry yeah I'm sure it would be ok but I don't get when people complain and don't even own the product. That was my whole point. I own the sc5000s and I I also bought the Denon prime 4. I know that since it's a lower cost all in one that I shouldn't expect everything. The 1000 isn't stand alone and not even in the same ballpark so that was there main selling point was the full size jogs. If they want bigger jogs then go with the sc5000 or sc5000m. Denon brought 4 channels, a 10 inch screen, a spot for a hard drive/SSD and people still find stuff to bitch about. Pioneers standalone xdj r2 is only 2 channels and the jogs are actually smaller than the prime 4. Screen is smaller as well
10 inch motorized vinyl platters
Would be dope
I agree with you 100% Cleveland Terry. I had a few discussions about the Denon Prime 4 and how it will change the game as far as controllers are concern. Don't get me wrong. It is a awesome piece of DJ equipment and I am certain fellow DJs will run out and get one. It won't be me. When I first learn how to DJ, my mentor instruct me to get a Pioneer and don't look back. The WEGO 4 was my first controller. I use Virtual DJ instead of Rekordbox. My reason was I didn't understand the software at that time and feel more comfortable using VDJ. I heard that Rekordbox was new and there were issues with the software. I stuck with VDJ until I felt it was time to upgrade. I couldn't afford the DDJ 1000 at the time (if I did, I would have brought it) and I really wanted to learn the Rekordbox software so I could play out without the use of my laptop. When the DDJ 400 came out, I knew it was the opportunity to learn Rekordbox. I purchased it last fall and slowly but surely learned the ins and outs of Rekordbox. Building a playlist, saving it to my usb and analyze. I was not swayed by the "latest and greatest" or "The Future of DJ Controllers." As long as I can hone in my DJing skills and it didn't break my wallet, I was in. The DDJ 400 cost $250 with a fully license Rekordbox. That was a game changer for me. My next controller will be the DDJ 1000. I know the DDJ 800 is out but it doesn't have what I need to transitions for controller to actually Pioneer CDJs and Mixer (Nexus). The DDJ 1000 is the closest thing to a full DJ unit but it is a controller. I am fine with that. The cost of the DDJ 1000 vs the Prime 4 is all I need to know. The DDJ 1000 cost $1200 usd where as the Denon Prime 4 cost $1700 usd. I am sorry but I can't see myself spending that kind of $$ on a controller (standalone or not).
Final Point: DJs (beginner or upcoming), don't let anyone sway you from getting a controller that you feel comfortable with and the price is right. DJs will always need a laptop at some point or another. Especially, now since Pioneer hardware will no longer support Senato. That's a discussion for another time. I chose Pioneer controller because I wanted to learn Rekordbox. Now when I play out in gigs, I upload my USB and backups with my playlist or tracks I will use for that night and I am off. It been analyze with my cue points so I'm ready to play and have fun without bringing my controller. Since I am a House and Techno DJ, this works for me. I hope this help. Do your own research and make certain the controller you purchase is what you want and fit your needs. That's important. Later and Thanks again Cleveland Terry 4 this video.
Terry you are spot on man, I send all my DJ's out with the MC700 and MCX8000 we do mostly weddings so these work fine for us. I kept thinking what if I needed to get a song. And then you said it, I'll wait before I buy the all in one P 4. Plus the DJ makes the DJ not the controller.
I love your points,nothing is perfect
You touch a good point about streaming music service... that’s one of the reason I still use my computer with the Sc5000...
Hi Cleveland, I think a point you may have not included which a lot of reviewers sometimes leave out of reviews for DJ controllers is the Sound quality. This apparently has superb sound quality and sounds better then a cdj rx2 and pioneer ddj 1000. Surely sound quality is one of the most important elements as to why someone should buy a controller. I know you said in the comments that you didn't chat about price, but I think it's important to mention in order for viewers to understand what value they are getting compared to other similarly priced controllers.
Thanks
I have a full review of the Denon Prime 4 here. czcams.com/video/TK4Wd_uL6vs/video.html. As far as sound quality, I have a ddj 1000 also and to be honest, I didn’t notice a real difference.
I totally get what your saying... People are saying this is the best one due to what it can do... In my opion which I would love myself to get one just due to what is built in. Now they have released a firmware update that will be out mid-summer so you can have streaming on the unit...
For me my computer would be a backup to this...
I still think there are a lot of things people are over looking...
You said things very well
I'm not ready to fully leave Serato behind...for many reasons, the way the waveform is displayed, vs white/blue/green, that would take some getting used to....lol I LOVE the way the Serato sample player works... there's a lot of small things in the Serato workflow that I don't want to go away from.
I'm actually considering the Rev7, and a Denon player next to it... I enjoyed your perspective on the Prime GO, and kinda want one for certain situations... but I just can't get on board for the Prime 4 as it just doesn't check a couple key boxes for me. I do love denon, currently using MC7000 mainly.
I've had my Prime 4 about 2 months now and I'm somewhat disappointed with it. Organizing and setting up my music has been very difficult and hard to find on this thing. I've been adding crates of different genres to be able to access my files more easily and it's been so tedious. The manual is vague and doesn't give enough information nor instructions on how to do this and same with the Engine software....not enough and concise instructions. Another thing is I cannot mix Music Videos except in Audio mode. As a Stand Alone it's great as long as you have all your files organized and easy to access, but it will take a long time to get those files ready for the dancefloor, especially if you have an extensive collection.
Sisco Muniz wow. Good to know.
Update:
I've installed an SSD inside my Prime 4 Controller and it's easier to transfer batches of files at a time. You just connect the USB to your computer and open Engine software and drag and drop files either from PC or external drive into SSD crates listed which hopefully you've created. This is easiest for me because I can drag and drop files according to genre. I use an app called Meta to first edit Metadata / Tags and get album covers then save my files with all proper data so it's more organized and easier to find. Also cool to see album covers on display. One good note is that during the copy and paste files get analyzed and BPM and track Time are automatically added.
Over the past 2 months i have been so wishy washy over what unit i was going to buy after selling my rz. I was sold on the ddj 1000 but then i laid eyes on the denon prime 4 and was so close to buying it just last night. 3 things changed my mind my own apprehension about leaving pioneer after all these years reading Cleveland Terry reviews on the prime and the 1000 and sisco real life issues that I was fearing as well. Just purchased the 1000 this morning and will have it in a few days. Thanks CZcams community.
I was stationed in Japan met this really wonderful talented woman who had this really aggravating addiction to knit-picking. instead of seeing the glass is 3/4's full she needed to point out see couldn't put out a fire until the glass was full. I know that your the protagonist in this musical but.....Damn look at the progress that Denon has come up with. Remember the days of lugging the creats and the 1200's plus two Pm 1.5's and the old school turbos.Love these moments tell the stories about the good old days and love what you do...make people dance.
+DJ Bear did you just call me a talented woman?
@@ClevelandTerry No! i called you talented with a intellectual over analyzation of all things musical. Like myself i find that i need to make sure that everything is tight even though i know that is just a far flung dream. the issue isn't the gear it's the people we are. In 2016 i got hit by a woman who was texting it took me three years to get back to the decks. sometimes i'm off the beat just a little and it kills me because just like you i know it could always be better.
This Comment is not a reflection on any hard working DJ who put it in...70% of the so-called DJ's today if you took away there controller and gave them 1200"s would walk away in shame. Beat Match, Sync, Keys, does not make a DJ...Music Is In Your Soul.
DJ Bear agreed. Just having a little fun with you.
@@ClevelandTerry I know thanks.
I like the fact that it made other companies up their game.
+Steve Mcc but has it? Touch screens and graphics on deck have been around for a while.
@@@ClevelandTerry true, but look at how Pioneer upgraded the DDJ-RR to the 800. The Serato DDJ SX series never made any major jumps like that. With DJ Expo in 3 months maybe some of the companies that's been quiet will have something. I just talked to a DJ on Friday and he loves the Phase.
I have the DDJ1000 but, I bought this controller also, it’s mostly geared towards mobile DJ’s.
+DJPOPA AL I think they will both do the job out in the field.
It's my go to controller for different reasons, the software will get better but, I use Serato DJ with it and my usb drives.
Keeping it real again
For most wedding open format dj , where we need to have a large library , having a 10 inch screen that while search a song cannot really see the waves , not having color waves , laptops are so cheap now , with a real keyboard , jog wheels too loose ,
Typing in that little screen while you have one minute left in on playing song it will be very frustrating , plus yoi need to lean too forward and down for the prime 4
I used numark hdx for over 10 years . Had no issue. Saw it as a dedicated dj computer meaning that all processing resources went to one thing managing your djing
I made a video on this already. I agree I’m not of fan of engine prime. People get mad when you say denon dj isn’t up to par. I’m glad someone else sees this will not save djing lol. But get your flame suit on these internet people won’t like this lol. Great video
Your video is one of the seeds of doubt that was planted into my mind. I'm glad I came across your video. I'd feel like a chump right now. People are still waiting and it's two weeks passed the release date. Only 10 units have shipped.
I was just speaking the truth I like denon but we have to be careful. Throwing away $1700 is a lot for DJ’s . Especially when they have a track record of not having the best quality at times.
Great video! We must have backup! Must! The show we ofer, Must go on!
Great points, I never thought about if the prime computer would malfunction you would done for the day. Great point made!!
Greetings Terry. I deleted my comment because I posted a comment without watching the video to the end, and for that my apologies. I checked out the video in its entirety, and I respect your viewpoints. keep up the good work.
+DJ SPINMASTER much respect to you my friend.
This unit reminds me of those all in one stereos back in the 80’s& 90’s where you had a turntable(cheap),tuner,eq,tape cassette deck, & amplifier all in one. What happened with those units was if one area was not working then you had to send the whole thing in to get repaired. When everything was separated, you send the piece that was broken. The only thing the Denon Prime is offering is convenience.
I have a Pioneer DJM 750 and 2 CDJ 900 and my SL 3 box. I have played a few nights from a 32gb flash drive when a friend borrowed the Serato box. The console is bulkier and heavier than ANY controller, but sounds superior than a SZ 2!
Thank you for taking the time to make this video. all your video are very honest to the best of your ability.
I had this same conversation with a DJ recently. He was saying how the Prime 4 is going to change the DJ industry and that soon DJing with laptops will be obsolete. Smh... the propaganda and selling techniques that some people believe just amazes me. Lol
I have the DDj1000 since last year. First time I’ve owned a Pioneer. In the pass I’ve owned Denon DJ and I was always loyal to Serato. I wish the DDj1000 was compatible with Serato however Rekordbox with its recent updates seems to be getting better. Engine Prime software seems to be good but it’s not yet seasoned like Serato or Rekordbox. Virtual DJ seems to work pretty good with my 1000, even with a Serato skin to emulate Serato, but it’s just not Serato.... if Prime 4 is gonna be Denon Dj’s flagship controller, it should have had larger jog wheels and better faders to at least match the 1800 Prime just as DDj1000 compares to 900NX. I understand Denon made this to cater to mobile DJs and would compromised the size of the unit. I believe it depends on who is going to use this. A mobile DJ would benefit with this however would still need some sort of computer, tablet or phone to download request that you don’t have in the unit. Well that’s my 2 cents..
Excellent points!
I agree and think that some are getting a bit carried away by calling this "the end all". It's a welcomed piece of equipment that only adds more flexibility to the DJ industry. And it really all depends on the type of DJ that you are. However, I will say that this unit is in deed a game changer. I am getting one and I will be using it with a computer as well as standalone. Sometimes, I just need to mix with the music that will already be on the player. Other times I may need Serato (computer) to add my drum machine and synth that adds some flare or may need to access more music like you mentioned. People that see this as a standalone only are probably kidding themselves. There's more under this hood.
I will say this is perfect for the everyday wedding type DJ, people who do a lot of school events or mobile DJs that are not heavy on major Transitions and some of the formats switches in life sets. I also think that engine Prime is just now starting out and we'll be making better improvements but as of right now they're not to the caliber with I would need it for live shows. I'm not knocking dinning it's a great controller but I recommend getting your hands on the control yourself before making any decisions. It may actually be for you it just wasn't for me.
I bought one myself. The reason I bought it was to have some sort of a backup. I will keep on using serato as my main software. I am using the stand alone just in case my computer crashes. I own the Mixdeck quad but don't really like how it handles the USB stick in stand alone. I really don't use the cds on it either. I think this will work for me that way. I also like the extra zone out. I own the mc7000 which I like a lot. My practice controller is a roland 200. So hopefully, it will work as I'm thinking it will. The only thing I'm afraid of is that if the software in the prime 4 goes down, the mixer will also cut out and won't let me execute my back up such as my phone and/or iPad to keep music flowing. We'll see how it goes. I do like all the bells and whistles though, which are not needed, but I just like them, lol. You all have a great day.
P.S. I also agree it will not change/save the DJ world, lol
😁 9:36 on the video. 4months ago VDJ wouldnt have been mentioned. Thank you Cleveland Terry for having an open mind. Love your videos.
Always great content .. you def make me see the product in a different light n perspective and I def appreciate that... Keep up the great work... I'm def a fan!!!!
Hardware is as good as it gets. I own the 5000M and the X1800.
The desktop Software is the issue currently and the poor bpm algorithm for hip hop, rnb.
I will be keen to see a video of your thoughts on the Engine Prime software itself. It's a free download.
I’ll check it out
To me works just fine , it’s just a lot of people also don’t take the time to learn the software
Pedro Garcia I agree. I have a review on the prime 4 coming out next week.
I agree with you Cleveland Terry. It’s a remarkable machine, but this is just another option for DJ’s to use. I hear that “BuckTown” by Smif N Wessun playing in the background.
DJ Randy G good ear. I had to keep it low so I didn’t get demonitized.
Very interesting topic 😮
If Numark comes out with a ns74 with 9 inch jog wheels like the denon sc3900 and feautures like prime 4 this would rock! I love ns73 btw never had issues period.
I agree this will not change anything. I learned to dj on a numark mixdeck 8yrs ago. Its an all in one unit that used to cost about 500usd in those days. It honestly worked like cdjs at the time. And if that didnt take over 8yrs ago niether will this today.
One of the best to come In the price range. Got a ns7 2 but will never get rid of mine just refurb it
I'm sticking with my MCX 8000!
I agree, I think the Denon 4 will be a very good controller. While technology is great, skills come from the DJ. Terry did you see Beat Port released the cloud, monthly subscription? ($5 - $15).
Ha Ha nice video and topic as always..That has always been my point every DJ I came across at a bar or club that using a standalone USB controller still has a laptop right there in front of them so I guess it not the old school look Djs are shooting for, I recently gave my XDJ R1 standalone CD unit to my older brother he wanted something cause he didnt have a computer at his avail when he wanted to play music, I understand that situation I let it go with only my DDJ 1000 to use, The laptop will be your best alternative in any situation I have use my computers sound card to pull off many tragic situations that the crowd never knew, a small external mixer and laptop u can make it through the event. Do a video on alternative options during crash situations can your controller provide sound without computer or vice versa.
Well done vid! I totally agree, it's still a computer. Which is why I picked the DDJ-1000.
got it on preorder cant wait but your points are allways valed thankss ct
Well look here....i sold my ddj rz because I want this unit. Now i love rekordbox and i bought a ddj 400 because I love pioneer and rekordbox but this unit has me intrigued as well as a lot of the dj world. I just hope its not super complicated to get up and running. I have serato and rekordbox on my laptop for my sx i had and i do love the software. I hope prime can at least come close
dj i CA nik it’s my understanding that it’s a work in progress.
I personally think that Denon makes good products but it's only for a specific DJs I'm not one of them I'm going to stick to pioneer. Good video bro good explanation 👌 always keeping it real
VERY GOOD POINT
I have a xdj xz and I absolutely love it
Very level-minded and dead on point.I thought all the same things when I checked it at GC. Well done as always.
Purchased the prime 4 and had it set up in 2 days including Tidal subscription and learned how to integrate the new update for soundswitch into my lighting fixtures. True to fashion I watched the tutorials on CZcams to have a knowledge of how to import my library from serato which kept cue points , key and bpm info intact. To me the crates are straight forward and easy to navigate because I just imported the whole crate and the playlists followed. I know this vid is old but this is the one time where I will disagree with Terry. As a mobile/ club DJ this is probably the best investment I’ve made. Laptops can crash as well which would render your set done. Nice to plug speakers in load up prime in seconds, sound check and ready to turn up!. Soundswitch integration via Ethernet cable is a smart add in. The zone feature is also a smart and great for weddings running music for cocktail hour with a prepared folder on the drive or with music from your iPad/iPhone playlist with a charging port in the back of the player, my logo on the player is sweet and plenty of ports for additional usbs a plus. I started with denon back in the day and sound quality has always been full and warm. The fx are post fader and the washout is my fav. If you like the faders can be easily upgraded and fader caps changed via chroma caps ( dj tech tools for a better feel) Mojax mentioned a crank for screen lift in his review but I prefer this as such because it is simple and to the point ( crank mechanisms snag and wear out. The sampler is not a deal breaker for me because I simply have a crate of drops and fire them on deck three or four but should be and easy update by having a shift option to the player. Updating ensures that the user experience will continue to grow and I’m excited to see what they add in the future. I give this unit 9 out of 10 because they have some things to catch up on but am very happy owning this all in one controller.
Arnold Bronstorph I have a full review coming next week.
You have an excellent point of view. I agree with what your saying. It does have a lot of features but it comes down to a matter of preference.
You make valid points my take on it it will make a good home setup as you can put a hard drive inside and update the library as you update your laptop library i guess its not a working gig to gig hard ware but will deffinatly make a great home setup
Apparently the delay on releasing the prime 4 is the implement of wifi streaming for services such as soundcloud and tidal. If this is true you might need a video update.
Great Video !! I'm sure Dj's will take a laptop with them in any case just in case if they did purchase the Prime 4. I would buy this unit for back up to my DDJ 1000 main gear. Right now I have the SX2 for back up. But Prime 4 good for back up emergency !!
My thoughts,
I'm not sure why everyone seems drawn to its 10 inch screen as it offers a couple disadvantages. Look it's too small, with 2 decks and library each section is less than 3.5 inches to navigate this unit, that's too small....run 4 decks and it's even more absurd. If that screen fails or breaks you have only line level mixer ability. The unit in a case will be heavier than many realize, and Engine Prime is still just engine Prime. A better option is a modular screen implementation like maybe the Mixon 4 from Reloop uses, if you could use say a iPad 12.9 to operate similar to the Prime 4 with with a area to dock it that might be a better option.
Now I want to know your opinion about the screen on pioneer rx2 lol
@@GuitarHII Not much, but this was about the Denon.
First time hearing about the denon prime series
That's f#@% up!!
prime 4 has wifi capability if I'm not mistaken. so I think you can use it to find music online like with a laptop
My girlfriend always turn my software into hardware...
Hey i have an SZ2 😁..... but have the SR2 for small gigs, SZ2 is for weddings only. Good vid bro like your talks✌️💯
I agree with most of what you’re saying here, and I’m someone that plans on buying one in a week or so. Just want to throw this out there, in case you weren’t aware... the bit about getting songs on the fly, will be possible with the Prime 4. All units are equipped with a WiFi card, and they’re going to drop an update (supposedly this summer) to activate it and allow music streaming. Do I think this is the most ground breaking thing ever? No. Just happens to be what I believe will work great for me.
Yes, I was aware and that’s definitely going to help.
Also, I love that it seems like they actually listened to DJs have been saying they want/need in an all-in-one unit. 4 channels, zone out, 2 mics etc. You’re never going to please everyone, and every system is going to have it’s set backs and flaws.
That's why I'm getting the DDJ 1000 (Not the SRT)...
4 > 1000
Thank you for this pragmatic overview. I have a ddj1000 and I absolutely love it, but the appeal of an all in one like the Prime 4 has been on my mind a ton but ultimately like you said, having a laptop allows for more flexibility cause you can search for and download new songs on the go for requests... and capability wise (aside from the onboard computer), it really doesn’t add to the capabilities that I already have with a ddj 1000 so it’s not really an upgrade, but a suitable replacement depending on your workflow. For me I see the ddj1000 going strong for years to come... that said Pioneer really gave everyone the middle finger with Rekordbox 6... so in a few years if they drop support for Rekordbox 5, then I might be looking to jump off the pioneer ship. Hopefully with enough of their user base complaining about it they’ll stop the stupid subscription model plan and go back to a software you can actually purchase.
Hi everybody after going through all these yes and those comments for and against I agree and I disagree stepping forward in technology which is great but as time goes by the bees are marked to and there will be more modifications to improve this device the only thing I’m disappointed with it is it needs a bigger screen With a bigger screen going to 12.9 inch or even 15 inch would be great then you could use some visual settings to suit the person or put in accessibility features meaning you could change it to suit you enlarging certain things and decreasing other things this is only early days but I believe it’s standalone looks it might be the way of the future but they need to make it durable as close to 98% of quality because nothing is 100%
I am new and I am a Denon man. That Denon 6000Mk2 controller was the ultimate swiss army knife for mobile DJs and it was compact. It was also able to be mapped to any software. Seraro, Virtual DJ, Cross, Algoriddim, Traktor. It also had standalone functionality on the other channels and was Serato DVS certified. Not sure if it had Rekordbox compatibility.
Their Prime series CDJs and the motorized CDJs were awesome. However, I understand why people like Pioneer. There is NO way this all in one unit will change everything for one reason...everyone isn't a Denon person. And Engine software is not matured yet, much like Rekordbox still has its growing pains.
If people really don't want a computer, there's CDJs. There's 12s and a mixer. Hell Numark has some price conscious 12s and mixers for people. Hell, the Numark Mixdeck Express Mk2 is a controller that can play CDs, USBs, laptop and it has 3 channels. But it can run fully standalone if you use the CDs and USBs. I will say one thing...I love your channel. I like your opinions.
But I do think they are moving DJing/music production back to standalone units. Look at what Akai has done with the MPC. The X and the Live are completely standalone. Akai also released the Force for Ableton based producers. Even Pioneer has its XDJ-RR. I think they're moving standalone.
with pioneer you can use your phone to load a song with rekordbox app so if you don't have a song its easy to get without your laptop
Good point we will need a computer regardless.. maybe for the people that already have a desktop computer this hardware could really work! I'm personally working towards rekordbox from virtual so I can have the option to DJ from USBs when I travel.
+Dj Positive P 👍🏾
Here's something we should all be talking about. The Prime 4 was released two weeks ago....... But no one has received one yet. AGI Pro DJ was the first reseller to get any, and they only got 10.
Wow. Good point.
I feel like Denon over promised and under delivered with this product. If you go to Denons Facebook page, it's just filled with posts from DJ's p*ssed off. I have this sneaking suspicion that there is a massive problem and they just aren't saying anything.
What do your recommend to go to from pioneer ddj sx3. Have had a yr. Even with black dot it crashes. Reinstall did nothing
My thoughts exactly! Great video!
Just announced: Denon Prime 4 and all Prime Series will have the ability to stream from a few different streaming sites. It will be great to have that option, just in case I am missing a song. Sorry Terry but this is revolutionary, Prime 4!!! I’m all in with Denon. (Great video by the way)
That’s definitely a great addition, assuming you have WiFi wherever you are.
Cleveland Terry Bowens yeah absolutely must have WiFi. It’s just another tool to keep in the bag...just in case. Would never rely on it for a whole gig. Have a good day!
You got a phone, you got wifi (hotspot)
Tried using one at a hotel pool party in the sun. I found using a touch screen was real nightmare.
ryan leatherwood Could you still see the screen well in the sun?
Matthew Bohn Florida sun is brutal but it’s brighter than a cdj. I just don’t enjoy having to use a screen. I rely heavily on my ears and touch.
ryan leatherwood I’m from south Louisiana, so I hear ya on that. Haha. The week of Mardi Gras I play on several floats and do a bunch of parade parties, as well as cook-offs for the local VFW, so I’m outside a lot.
I say 7 inch motorized jog wheels like ns7 0r denon sc5000m would have been a perfect controller that works with most djs. Plus the footprint would b just a bit larger and of course heavier.
💡You Are Correct💡
Dont sweat the nay sayers. If you make sense to some of us, thats it.
Denon just Released that you can stream music from the prime Series there is a video on it
I like it, but the tilted screen worries me. I own mpc live not x for same reason....but what you say is important..is important...thats why although I have controller its still 1210s and s9 for me.
Why is the Prime 4 considered a controller? I thought it was a stand alone unit?
Exactly that's what the branded it as
It still controls software would be my guess 😬
Great video
you can stream via wifi onto the prime 4 and they fixed the firmware
2days in and it's dificult ..so you stand to be correct..but it's flashy tho.lol.been working day and night but just my lap top is so much easier..I wish I could put virtual dj on it..STILL NEED MY LAPTOP..won't leave home with out it!!??
I just purchased the Denon DJ, on week now. Still learning, but I notices that you have a USB that can go from your computer to the Denon DJ system. That would be real cool if you had access and you can use both, your computer and you Denon system. Help me out? Did you not see that feature where you have the USB cable attached?
Check my actual review video on it here. czcams.com/video/TK4Wd_uL6vs/video.html
Ok everyone, let's get down to basics. Before I state my case I want to tell you my background. I've been a wedding dj for over 25 years. I was there when the switch from tape to CD happened, then from CD to mini disc, and from mini disc to laptop and now to this.
With that being said I want to say a couple of things. First, Terry makes some great points. Will the Prime 4 fix the world...no. are there going to be growing pains? Yes. But...is it a step in the right direction...Hell Yes.
Second, we are missing one key thing in this entire conversation. BACKUP EQUIPMENT. If you are a mobile dj and don't carry back up gear...especially a laptop...your basically having sex with a hooker and not wearing a condom. You're asking for trouble. I always carry 2 laptops with me. The prime 4 just takes the place of one of those laptops.
Third, Terry is forgetting 1 thing about the touch screen. You can plug in a keyboard into the unit. And I'm sure Demon will do an update where you can use a mouse as well. Also, you can still connect your laptop to the unit while you are using it.
Finally, I agree with several of Here's points. And I agree that the Prime 4 isn't going to be the end all, be all. But that's the same with any controller. The DDJ-1000 can fail too. That's why you ALWAYS carry back up gear.
this one denon it can do continuous play list? thank you for support
I enjoy my Rane 62. I Also have the Denon Mc4000. not a big controller guy. I Got the controller so I have a controller that will get the job Done but its not my go too.However I love the controller for it simplicity