Battle of the Standalones: Pioneer DJ XDJ-XZ Vs Denon DJ Prime 4
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- čas přidán 6. 08. 2024
- Pioneer DJ has just announced the XDJ-XZ, a new flagship standalone controller, which many are seeing as its response to the Denon DJ Prime 4. Many DJs already invested in the Rekordbox ecosystem held off on purchasing the Prime 4 in hopes that Pioneer DJ would follow suit and release a four-channel standalone unit of its own.
So now that The XDJ-XZ has been announced, DJs around the world are beginning to ask: How does it stack up against the Prime 4? What do they have in common? What features separate one standalone unit from the other? And most importantly, what four-channel standalone unit would be best for me?
We’ll go over the similarities and differences of these two four-channel standalone units to help you decide which unit might fit you the best...
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Price point was a major issue you left out from the video.
$1699 vs $2299
Another win for the Prime 4
That's really strange pricing. I know its dollars vs GBP but in the UK the XDJ-XZ can be had for £1900 and the Denon Prime 4 is £1625 so it's a price difference of only £275. Seems strange that Pioneer would sell it so high over in the states...
@@harrykirkwood6530 Yeah seems pretty odd. I could be wrong, but Pioneer might have more market share over Denon in the the US and can get away with it.
@@SehxualPanda Yeah it is strange for sure. The Prime 4 is closer to the 1:1 exchange rate a lot of businesses have resorted to (much to the UK's dismay - mostly because of Brexit) whereas the XDJ-XZ is priced pretty close to the actual exchange rate. At the end of the day I am not complaining because it allowed me to get my XZ for £1899 instead of a 1:1 rate of £2299 which would suck
Fair point and true in regards to the pricing in different regions
In Canada. Denon Prime 4: $2,300. Pioneer XDJ-XZ : $3,200.
Every reviewer is tying hard not to offend the legion of pioneer's cultish followers. The debate ended long time ago: Denon is top.
Xz is a masterpiece made for professional dj and Caries and aura of rigidity p4 is great for simple uncomplicated venues with an upcoming mobile dj
Apart from the jog wheels denon is the best controller, its like comparing an iphone 6 vs an iphone 13
lol, those jog wheels are cute on the Denon
Very few peopl on earth know this bro 👍🏼
Haven’t seen any Denon gear in any club ever though.
Purchasing the Prime 4 is the best decision I made. Having moved from one pioneer controller to the other (sx, Sr, sx2) the prime 4 was a whole new experience, I had to get used to the engine prime software and also button placements on the unit.
Serato has been compatible for a while now but I'm yet to try it cos I'm now so comfortable with the flexibility of the prime4, the Mic is the best I've used on a dj system and the sound quality is amazing.
I recommend the Prime4 to anyone who wants a new experience.
Forget all the online reviews about how the software doesn't compare to serato dj pro and rekordbox the engine software is flawless on the Prime4 never experienced any lags
Thanks for sharing Oscar, glad the Prime 4 is working out well for you 👍
What do you think about the jogs? You came for pioneer and this one is smaller... Its feel the same?
Wow. I been trying to decide on this for months. You just did it for me. Prime 4 is it in 2020.
Awesome, glad we could help!
You left out price, tidal, WiFi, vertical/horizontal waveforms, firmware updates frequency
True, plenty of things we could have covered but would have made it a very long video
Digital DJ Tips
Much rather watch a 20 minute video than, go out and waste time and money on getting one and not liking it.
I agree with Glennford Braithwaite
@@digitaldjtips no such thing as a long video if it was actually informative and to the point.. I guarantee you that if you have stuff to talk about that's interesting, informative and to the point, people will watch it to the end... For everyone else! They should be able too cut up the video with the slider bar with ease if their Dj skills are up to scratch (pun intended) LOL.
Glennford.. 100% true bro.
This proves my point on the review video... Pioneer has released a more expensive unit with alot of compromised features compared with the prime 4. At this point it looks like Pioneer is playing catch up with Denon
Yeah lots of people agree with you on this one
Could be a case of planned obsolescence
A lot of the "draw" for the whole CDJ/Pioneer ecosystem lately seems to come down to a single argument - "club standard" and I wonder for how long that will hold up. Why not change the standard, if the competition is more clever? I have no experience on the Prime 4, but the SC players have been at the forefront since inception, and as of today I still believe they are superior to CDJs.
I hope the prime software adds full color spectrum waveforms in the next firmware update. Rekordbox has done an outstanding job with displaying where phase transitions happen.
Still not got those wave forms yet
@@MikeyBravo
Still using my XDJ-RX, always loved pioneer's build quality & familiarity. Definitely will get the XZ in the near future
Nice one 👍
did you dig into the cross-faders? that's VERY important to me...
Good unbiased review Thank You
No problem :)
So basically apart from the lager jog wheels and use of 4 channels but only support 4 channels with external hardware which to me is a bit of a downfall that's what the xdj has to offer...don't get me wrong the bigger jog wheels are the selling point for me but the prime 4 is in a league of its own.
Imagine if the prime 4 had bigger jogwheels 🤔 they would be selling twice as much unit's
@@djkellyflavour5481 yep very true.
@Marcus Grant that would be heaven for me 😉
@@djkellyflavour5481 this would be crazzyyy! hopefully they're listening in
@@thelittlemidistore919 like Marcus says they pay attention they might act on it. Denon is the future 😁
Hi,
One really important question for me. Is there any possibility to connect Pioneer RMX 1000 station to XDJ-XZ in same way like for example to DJM 900NXS2 ?? I would like to take full advantage of its possibilities. If yes for me will be perfect.
denon all day! pioneer dropped the ball on this one and continues its downward decline. pioneer can take their plastic garbage and gtfo in my book and ive only been playing records for 25 years and have seen it all .. i rock the denon sc5000 and denon mixer and have never been happier. looking to add the prime 4 to my arsenal soon. this new xdj is a HUGE FAILURE
Thanks for weighing in Erik!
Loving the P4!! I was using numark and used an XDJ rental while waiting for the P4 to arrive in shop and i seriously hated the thing and the prime was a step up in every way. The latest software updates to the hardware and software have redoubled my happiness with Denon.
Also dying for to get the SCs and x1800 next !
Erik
....100%
can someone help me by awnsering what would be the better unit for incorporating two technic turntables with while also using usbs?
Damn good video, TY!
No problem Chris!
Prime 4 seems like the way to go since it has the better interface and the whole point of the product is to have a stand-alone unit
The screen of the Prime 4 is definitely much better than the XZ, a real pleasure to use
Denon has better hardware... but dear god engine prime... its soooo glitchy. Their software is really bad... like really bad.
@@lamentpnw8662 I think you might be addressing an old version of prime engine.. the software is only for preparing (even if you can do it on the hardware).. Rekordbox was very buggy until it wasn't anymore ;)
Actually the Prime engine is the only that allows you to convert from Traktor/ Serato or even iTunes without having to redo all the work you've already invested on the prior platform!? :)
The whole point is to be stand-alone? Do you know what controller means hahahaha
@@jamiec4478 it is a stand alone controller dumb ass. Yes that is the point. You're clueless lol😂
I love how this dude looks like a young Victor Wong from 3 Ninjas and Gremlins.
I LOVE YOU FOREST WHITAKER!
Egshen
Good video , thanks
Welcome!
I'll go ahead & wait to see what pioneer has to offer for next year.
If Pioneer does come out with 1 that ACTUALLY does have a 4 deck stand alone with the same type of jog wheels as the Nexus 2, I might consider it. Will have to wait n see 4 now.
DJ Miguel but it might be priced at 2499
they would have already done it if they could.
Time will tell
By then Denon will have a 6 deck standalone
aimed at djs and producers. And be native to all software like they were in the past inc their own Engine Prime Daw versions
Pioneer Dj Hq would be like... "your all fired" to their design team lol
I don't get it, why people asking for 4 channels, you have 2 extra plus the 2 controls built in so you have 4, if you need 4 channels plus 2 built in then you are going to mix 6 tracks and no one ever will do that..
My prime 4 runs a 4tb drive
Cool :)
Internal? Which one
Grant DJ that’s a little overkill don’t you think
Definitely grabbing the prime 4
Cool!
It is now possible to switch decks using the SHIFT button when
operating DJ software on XDJ XZ (firmware update 1.12)
Nice!
I'm pretty much a Pioneer fan boy, I have the RX2 and was considering buying the XZ but after watching multiple review, the Denon is so much better with that ssd hard drive in the back and that screen.
The Denon is hard to ignore!
First of all nice review. Answer on your question: For me personal library features are more important then two decks. I have also some questions for you: What about the Master Level EQ's, SoundQuality of the Microphones and build in Soundcard comparisation? That is for me really important and I'm curious about your opinion :)
Hi Tim, the one thing we want to check on the soundcard is the phono preamps - they may be below standard, but we don;t know yet (judging by some previous units). Overall it sounds fine to us, same as RX and RX2. We haven't tested mic audio quality but I've never heard what I'd consider to be a bad mic stage on a Pioneer unit at this level, so I'm not worried about that. The master EQs are great.
@@digitaldjtips thanks! However, the mic channel on the ddj-1000 for example could be better in my opinion but I gues on this beast they will be fine haha.
Both are great controllers but are aimed at different dj markets, prime 4 is aimed more at the mobile dj with its streaming services and separate output channel, where as the xz is aimed at the club/bar dj to practice there sets at home.
It all comes down to what type of dj you are, and what your comfortable on.
Yeah they'll definitely appeal to different DJs we reckon
Truth. Regardless of how much more you get for your money with the Prime 4, the fact remains that if you play in larger clubs, festivals etc., then 99 times out of 100 you'll be using a Pioneer Nexus II set up. Heaven help you if you're finally moving up to the big leagues and suddenly have no idea how to use the equipment. For the record, I own both Pioneer and Denon controllers so I'm not biased one way or the other.
@@JoeLikesRocks then again, when you're big enough clubs will set up whatever you tell them to
@@DaDudeClub who's using the Prime besides Laidback Luke?
For practicing at home it's a quite expensive choice, you could do with a RB or any rekordbox controller...
Denon - Crazy amount of useful features and modern tech, 4 full channels
Pioneer - Way better looking, better FX, Transition to the club easier
Fair summary, I did laugh that the first pro listed was "looks better" 😅
The XZ is overpriced. That tiny ancient screen is awful, the loop and memory buttons outdated, the CPU and RAM very limited. Also no SD, SSD and WIFI, no full track buffering and on-board analysis. You can't use 4 decks or even do longer beat jumps than 8. For such an expensive unit released just a year ago this is unacceptable 🤦♂️
forums.pioneerdj.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/360055224552-XDJ-XZ-max-8-beat-beat-jump-Why-
@@m-stat9 what do you mean by "the loop and memory buttons outdated" ?
@@m-stat9 Yeah, I fully agree. I really like the look and feel of the Pioneer, but the technology inside is just too dated for that price of $2200, I can't excuse that.
I don’t know if it’s on here but the prime 4 does have feedback control in the Utility section
Awesome :)
I was one of the first ones to order the Prime 4 it has never let me down yet!!! My customer's are so amaze when they see it.. The 1st question they ask) "Where's the Laptop"?
(My reply: Home!) The Prime 4 honestly sounds like it has a built-in Driverack inside, it's a huge difference in sound quality over my Ddj1000.
DJPOPA AL don’t leave your laptop at home. Technically isn’t perfect. Bring a back up. Your customers will love you more
@@bboymac84 Never, I just told my customers that, it was outside in the car. I stay prepared.
DJPOPA AL nice don’t ever say it’s at home! I’m glad your a prepared DJ. Your a great DJ!
DJPOPA AL
is the sound quality really that much better than the ddj1000? i have the ddj1000 and i'm really thinking about the prime 4...really thinking about it!!!! my main concern is the jog wheels...love the 1000 jogs and was wondering about the prime's jogs scratch wise and feel. what's your thoughts??
@@mardyd1 Yes, the sound quality is 101% better than the Pioneer Ddj1000, far as scratch wise it's ok but, not better than the Ddj1000 that's why I have 2 controllers. But, you should definitely get one and try it out. I love mines.
Good information with a neutral opinnion, well done.
Thanks!
When i started Djing i bought Denons DN 2000 MKII and later upgraded to their 2500 model so my lovestory with Dj-gear started with Denon. Nowadays i rock on a Pioneer Xdj - RX 1.
I´m not after talking shit of any of the brands, but more leaving my 2 cents.
Like everything else, in the end it´s your personel opinion on what you like your gear to do for you and what you´re willing to pay for it that´s gonna decide what you buy.
I love my RX1 and i would like to upgrade to the XZ, but unfortunatly i don´t have the economi for it. And even do i love Pioneergear i feel that the they (like many other leading brands) sometimes overprice their merchandise or take advantage of their name to raise their prices for similar gear you can buy from other brands at a lower cost.
At the same time, i got my moneys worth when i bought my RX, so go figure. But than again as i say, that´s a personel preference.
I looked at the Prime and it looks like an awesome machine with some features i feel that the XZ lacks, like the touchscreen.
So...to not rant on forever here´s my 2 cents: What ever gear you prefer, don´t talk shit about the other brand/s.
If you really like Denon, tell me whats so amazing about it and don´t trash Pioneer or what ever brand you prefer, or vice versa.
If you want me to convert, praise your gear, hallelujah! But for now, i´m a slave to Pioneer. But one never know if i have a change of heart in the future.
But whatever gear you rock on, keep the fat beats coming and give the masses amazing music and a freaking wicked dance time! Love 2 U all and have an amazing weekend! // C
Very true Cristian, it's hugely down to personal preference and we're all entitled to our own opinions :)
I'm interested in this because most of the places I play are pioneer shops. Getting this setup would have you be the readiest I believe if you don't want to lug equipment around and are ok with using whatever the house uses. If you need full control and like carrying all the things then maybe you pick another way. I don't see any reason to hate on pioneer for doing an upgrade like this.
Nice one Tommy :)
the screen on the Denon Prime 4 is the same screen found in the Akai MPC X ! so I won't say is a new screen..
Fair enough, new to DJ gear though and much (much) better than the screen on the Pioneer :)
Extremely newbie here but I like the external sata drive on the back. Totally stand alone unit.
Yeah the Prime 4 is awesome :)
any dj will adapt quickly with a different jog wheel than they used to!don't forget what denon prime 4 is offering here:
lighter weight than pioneer
4 channels standalone
u can use an sd card/usb and an integrated 2.5 inch ssd hard drive up to 1 terra
capability of software updates and new functions all the way
wifi integration for unlimited access of music thru platforms
now you can use the full serato pro software with it
multifunctional touch screen
more effects on one channel than pioneer
u can easily convert rekordbox playlists or even use them on denon (i am using it)
and there is a significant function they didn,t talk about here:db out limit:when u set the volume limiter to a zero db
no matter how much you raise the volume u will not here or feel the overload! it stays clean and clear ! so if u have amateur djs playing on the unit ur speakers will still be safe!
finally quality: the denon has better sound quality then pioneer! u can test it urself if you have the 2 controllers plugged on the same line of speakers!
True about adapting quickly but human's are a fickle bunch and I know a tonne of DJs that simply don't care, they won't use anything that's not Pioneer...
Digital DJ Tips I was chatting to a guy in a DJ shop and he said Denon had an uphill struggle. His comment was anybody that plays on Denon doesn’t go back, but getting people to try it was seriously hard. I suppose that in our line of work trusting your gear is a big deal so you stick with what you know. Because of their “club standard” status, people start with Pioneer and then stick with them. Denon need to get the clubs and then have the range of gear so that people can buy the “starter” stuff and get hooked on the ecosystem. The thing to remember is that this Denon isn’t old Denon; it’s inMusic. They have the clout and desire to make this happen but it won’t be overnight. Old Denon stuff was brilliant - the first twin CD player, first “dual layer”, motorised platters. InMusic can leverage that legacy, but they just need to get stuff in clubs so that it becomes the standard and then have a range of cheaper units for people coming through. The Prime 4 is a really important part of that. Play on that when you’re practicing and go into a club with an X1800/SC5000 set up.
Very good points, would love to see a beginner Prime controller
Have you heard how the XDJ-XZ sounds ? Well , I own a pioneer XDJ-XZ and the sound output is awesome , much better than ony other controller.
DeeJay Pajtim i cannot argue with that as i did not try yet the controller :)
im in the process of trying to sell my ddj rz as im seriously wanting to buy the prime
It's a great bit of kit :)
I sold my Prime 4 due to bad Quality.
So when I own a prime 4 and get to play clubs will you not struggle if lack confidence
DJing is DJing regardless of the gear, pro DJs can play a set on whatever is in front of them. If you're worried rent/borrow some CDJs for a week and you'll be fine
Hey guys!
I need your opinion on something, i really like the denon dj prime 4 but if i want to play in clubs in the future , the pioneer is ofcourse club standard. Do you have any suggestions for me ?
Pioneer, or be prepared to use something like DJCU software to move your library between systems.
@@digitaldjtips Thanks for the reply !
and wich pioneer set up would u recommend ? i thought between the xdj xz
and xdj-rx3
Can I use Recordbox or Serato software with prime 4 ?
You can use Serato with the Prime 4
Love the Prime 4, this channels review sold me in on it. The only huge downside i seem to be having its the Engine Prime Software. I get it new, but its so buggy. Makes it REALLY infuriating to try and set up tracks on the PC. It freezes often, sometimes the sound doesnt match the waveform at all. More detailed, I hope they work on importing track information from other softwares more easier. Cues dont go through, nor the grid. Can't even edit track information, or add an album cover. Visual cues are helpful and Engine doesn't help with that.
Yeah the software is definitely the weak link for Denon at the moment
Digital DJ Tips for w
Software has much improved. I dont get why everyone is crying. RB was very bad during its first two years as well.
Am a pioneer dj since the release of ddj sx but i might change my mind to denon prime as i feel its worth the money u pay plus its a real standalone unit with usb and flash drive and internal hdd .
It's definitely a great piece of kit
For me two of the controllers have good and bad but the most important thing is the price
Denon prime 4 all the way......Love it Thank you Denon.
Wow! I’m super impressed with the Dennon for sure a 10” display $1699.00 or so compared to 3000?
I’ve started with vinyl in the early 90s then a short time with pioneer CDJ 400s and CDJs in the 2000s, and the past 7 ish years with an SX2 1 of the first units in Canada with Sflip, video, extra fx, DVS and then, I bought pitch n time… wow! I’ll only change if it’s a complete standalone on all channels and current technology! The prime seems to be ahead at this point maybe pioneer will reinvent itself with new screens and the ability to adjust the screens it’s amazing on the Prime!
Denon are doing some awesome work :)
waiting for a mk2 of the xdj xz that can be on par with the prime 4...
You're not alone we're sure
😎😎 The prime four should come out with the (M) model for motorized platters. Just like the SC 5000s. I don’t know why companies don’t have controllers with them. I’m pretty sure people prefer them rather than jog wheels.
That would be cool! Would be tempted to move from my NS7iii if that happened :)
Digital DJ Tips
That’s exactly what I’m using at the moment too.. it’s a tank
I have a question? I'm interested in this controller. But also in the Pioneer. xdj-xz. But I would like to have the option to add things. Such as a Akai MPC or a Machine. Perhaps something else. Are these 2 controllers. The right choice? if you want to do that? Is there one better for that then the other? Or let say I purchase the pioneer. Can i plug in a N.I. Machine and will it run in sync with Rekordbox? Or do i need like a pioneer sampler? Now normally whenever I see dj's play like that. adding sequencers and samplers. They use traktor. With a standalone mixer with send and return. But then the alternative would be either the S8. What I find a bit out-dated. And expect a follow-up to it in the future. Or the S4. What is a nice controller. But it kind of feels like a toy compared to those Denon and Pioneer beast. I don't travel. So the fact that they are huge is only a plus to me. PLease help?
We answered you on your other comment :)
@@digitaldjtips I know. Sorry to kept asking. Never expected you truly read all the comments. Just shows how great you guys are ;)
The pioneer/denon situation reminds me of apple/android. Pioneer fan boys will pay a premium for their equipment on technology that was released way before on competitor's devices.
Thanks for watching Matthew
Android devices haven't had a faster SOC for many years, remember that Apple was first to the game (between the two). Also keep in mind that you can put 64 gigabytes of ram on the phone, and then the battery would last 30 minutes. Smart phone performances and SOC performance not just based on arbitrary numbers, it's based on power consumption and thermal requirements.
It's all about build quality where Denon really lacks. In all clubs they user Pioneer for a reason.
@@vincentvandamme722 thats marketing nonsense. They use it because DJs became lazy and there hadnt been serious competition until 2017. The Denon decks are made of metal and have coated PCBs (!) which is some very advanced stuff for increased durability. Build quality is perfectly fine.
bro. pioneer not even care about technology lol. see how much they give you after rx2 release? nothing but bigger jog and x2 price lol
Pioneer looks so outdated compared to Prime 4. Also, you have not mention price..
SSD is for me huge step in DJ industry.
It looks like you've messed up with the effects on prime 4. I don't have the unit so I can't be sure, but as I've seen in the reviews, it's not possible to link both sections to one channel at the same time. I've also never seen any info that these fx sections can be switched to 3-fx section rather than 1 effect - 2 parameters. So I believe you can only apply 2 effects at a track rather than 7. The only advantage of prime 4 over xdj-xz is that you can apply 2 beat fx to several decks simultaneously rather than one. It's also important to note that mojaxx said it's not possible to apply beat fx to external sources on prime 4 and I believe it's not the case with xdj-xz.
I own both right now and I feel the XZ has better jog wheels, the denon is way too touchy but after a few days of mixing with it you get used to the feel of the nudge and scratching. I think the main selling point on the Prime 4 is 4 actual decks without need for a computer , Sata compatibility, and the large 10.1 inch multi touch display.
Thanks for watching ;)
They're still a bit expensive if you just like mixing every now and then when you actually have found (or produced) good tracks to put the effort in, but at least the price for a 4 channel mixing setup isn't as obscene as the stuff meant for clubs!
Yeah you can get away with a whole lot less if you're not a pro (and even then)
this isnt a battle its a murder scene where the pioneer controller got chopped up and scattered in trash bags all over the forest
Strong words!
Talk shit
Denon has its own financial problem which PioneerDj has more financial resources.
Also the sales of Denon DJ including Prime 4 is struggling they may price slashed on Prime 4 in the near future.
Well... the Prime 4 has shitty jogs, disappointing faders, and stupid FX controls.
Is the SSD as standard internally or external? Great review btw
Can you clarify what you're asking please?
@@digitaldjtips I think I found my answer in another video(can add SSD drive underneath)...., I wanted to know about if it has a standard stock hard drive built in.....
@@Onkarr You have to buy the SSD separately but it is an internal SSD not an external, just to clarify
@@K.mersch thanks mate 🏅
Prime 4 is Compatible whit Rekorbox in the Future???
Unlikely
It's basically windows vs mac: do you want unparalleled technology that's cutting edge with features you can't get anywhere else (at least for the price) with a constantly improving ecosystem, or do you really just like rekordbox that much (can you tell where my bias lies?)
I will say this however, the jog wheels on the xj are much cooler
At this rate, Pioneer might catch up to Denon in another four years. 😂😂
😅
Just wait another standalone dj controller from PioneerDJ soon.
Too sad that the demon stuff doesn’t look to good imo
When you say catch up? do you mean Denons terrible OS and support, or its god awful faders? the list goes on. Yes Pioneer need to get off their high horse and give consumers more for their cash but ive used both and Pioneer def gives you an all round better experience.
they will release an 8 channels mixer no one wants before check this out 🤣
My only take on this is that I'll will have a better performance with the XDJ-XZ in stand alone mode, because of the CDJ jog wheels, and using Rekordbox. But I'll be more prepared for the future with the Prime 4, because of the built in WIFI, multiple ways to load songs, "iPad like" screen...
Pros and cons to each for sure!
thanks dude for 4K :)
No problem!
Yeah and even the cloud firmware update. Denon is geared for streaming as well. Pioneer not really. After watching this, the Denon Prime 4 sounds friggin awesome to buy soon!
When denon make a bigger jog wheel one.. then its 90% CHECK MATE.. also i wonder if small size all in ones will ever come out
Would definitely like to see some smaller standalone units, we hear it a lot as well so definitely a market for it
I just can’t get use to the denon jog wheels. Got use to the CDJ 1000 and 2000 weight
With some time you'd adjust we're sure :)
Grown breaking technology on the prime I am pioneer user but that prime is looking nice
It's pretty awesome 👌
My whole music collection is in FLAC-Format and according to the Pioneer website, the XDJ-XZ does not support FLAC nor OGG files, which the Prime 4 does. Well, this was just another reason to order the Prime 4, besides the better bang for the money.
why would you go all flac on your music library? hard drives have been cheap as hell for the last 15 years...24 bit wavs are only a factor of 2 more in size...sorry that just seems misguided
@@darsure3006 It seems you do not understand FLAC-Files. They are losless compressed wav-Files. Of course you can convert 24-Bit Wavefiles up to 96 KHZ as well as FLAC. In contrast to mp3 FLAC do not lose any information from the original Wav. FLAC compress Wav files are about 50-to70% smaller than the original. And I collect music since almost 40 years now (Yes I am old) and my collection is about 1,5TB. Those sized hard drives were not even available 10 years ago. Plus FLAC have better support of tags, which wav didnt have at the beginning.
On the outskirts looking in I went to Guitar Center I played around with the Denon Prime 4 I am undecided between the prime for in the Prime 2 I have a laptop but it is like 10 years old
If in doubt I'd go for the Prime 4
Adding Spotify to the Prime 4 would be savage.
For real 😭
Do either of these connect directly with Beatport Link?
Prime 4 does :)
@@digitaldjtips Oh really? Wow so I could just login on the Prime 4 and stream directly from Beatport via Wifi? That sounds like the complete package!
Yep, check this out from Denon: czcams.com/video/KX8crq97tKw/video.html&t
As a working DJ I can honestly say having used pioneer exclusively before switching to denon that I always had a lot more issues with pioneer DJ equipment as compared to Denon. So reading comments about Pioneer so called holding up and being more reliable just seems like complete nonsense to me, and for sure it clearly shows there will always be people out there who will never accept anything being better than their pioneer setups. Yes the software still has a bit of a way to go but in terms of creativity and reliability with the players themselves ( cdj 2000 nxs 2 vs denon sc5000 prime ) the denons win all day long. With regards to the Prime 4 I've managed to have a few mixes on it and I must admit I really enjoyed it. One negative would be the jog wheels but it seemed very good to use otherwise.
I can imagine the pioneer xdj xz would feel much smoother to mix with considering the jog wheels are taken from the 2000nxs2's, which personally slightly edge out even the sc5000 prime jogs, but, essentially, the fact you can only mix with 2 channels on the player itself with zero innovation as compared to denon makes it not worth it when comparing to the prime 4. A bonus for pioneer including the jogs however is the FX/color FX selection, pioneer have always excelled with this and I do prefer the FX on pioneer when comparing to denon.
Having said that, Denon do listen to their customers and I'm sure soon will have an even broader selection of FX/Sweep FX to rival what pioneer has to offer. Personally, I'd love to see the sweep fx go from 4 to 8, perhaps a choice on utility to swap dub echo for crush etc etc.
So taking everything into consideration I'd say besides the jogs on the prime 4s and the engine prime not being up to scratch just yet, but very usable and ever evolving, then it truly isn't even a contest. Sorry Pioneer / stubborn pioneer fan boys, the truth hurts but it is what it is.
Thanks for weighing, we all have our preferences that's for sure :)
@@digitaldjtips absolutely, different strokes for different folks :)
The Denon definitely set the new standard so well see what the upcoming XZ2 will have in store.
Do you know something we don't, Eugene? ;)
@@digitaldjtips I wish I could actually confirm this but current rumours suggest that there may be a new release by the end of the year or early 2023. Let's hope this is true!
But there is only one 4 channel stand alone in this video😅
Sort of haha :)
Pioneer really needs to work on their pricing. You are basically paying for a name at this point instead of them being in the competitive marketplace. When they get this RX down under $1800 I may consider it.
Yeah it's not cheap...
Serious question, with all the moans about the lack of 4 decks on the xdj, does anyone have any links to 4 deck mixing that actually sound good?
80% of DJs never use decks 3 and 4. But they can be useful for acapellas, or other equipment.
@@digitaldjtips cheers, was genuinely interested, I'm more oldschool preferring long flowing technical mixes, i'm not one for effects and beat jumping, but love the look of the full size jogs on the xdj xz
No problem :)
I like the fact that mobile users also have a 2 two channel little brother with the denon prime 2. Denon for the win when checking off boxes.
And then the little "Go" unit as well :)
how is pioneer jog wheels really mechanical when they dont rotate any at all?
Eh? Of course they rotate
@@digitaldjtips the lights in the jog wheel rotate the platter themselves arent moving is what im saying. the platters are touch sensitive just like the smaller ddjs if the sensor goes what function would it still have?
I think you're confused, these aren't rotating platters like you'd find on a turntable (I think that's what you're getting at) but that's not what mechanical platters are - these are mechanical like CDJs not touch sensitive like the DDJ-400 for example
I have had the SZ since day 1.
I’ve preferred it over anything ever since I got it.
2 things I MUST have, Bigger Jog Wheels, and Dual USB control.
Prime 4 looks amazing but I do a lot of vs/b2b sessions with DJs and having the SZ makes that possible.
What do you mean? You can use 4 usb, sd card and internal hardrive on the prime 4. Even all four channels
Barbero1999 I Understand that, I have still not had the chance to get my hands on it and give it a test run to see how it compares to the seemless multi DJ switchoff. From what I’ve read of it and seeing the multiple USB inputs it’s most likely going to be fine.
Just really wish those platters were 8”
Maybe we will like it, maybe we won’t. Only testing can determine.
@@UDIHQ That's true, you have to test it. But then adding bigger jogs are going to make the prime 4 much more less portable, like the sz who weight much more. Is one or the other unfortunately when it comes to weight and portability
Barbero1999 I don’t mind the weight. It’s not 4 Tech 1200s and about 8 crates of records like I did for about 10 years prior to seeing the SZ come out and as a firm hater of CDJs I tried it out and fell in love. I’m actually trying to go back to vinyl, honestly. Lately, somehow serato and windows 10 no longer like each other and it pisses me off when I record 4+ hour sets and hear static over the mixes because of some issue (un-determined as to the source) between the two 😢
Hoping the Prime 4 lives up to the 6 hour session I’m going to throw at it.
@@UDIHQ Give it a try. The prime 4 has good hardware so there should be no issues
If the denon had a sampler, larger jog wheels, and soft pads I would buy one today, guess I'll wait.
Perhaps in a MK2 :)
Between the 10 inch screen compared to the 7 inch screen! The metal frame and The usb and internal hard drive plug ins and the cheaper price! Maybe Pioneer will wake up and see we are sick and tired of paying high costs for a name! Step aside Pioneer I am going with the the Prime 4 as soon as they come back into stock in September 2022!
Enjoy your choice! Both have legions of fans :)
you always look proper stoned in these videos, lol
Question: doesnt not being able to play 3 or 4 records stand alone COMPLETELY destroy the purpose of getting a 4 channel stand alone?
You can play 3/4 records standalone, you just can't do it all internally - whether or not it then makes the device pointless is completely subjective to you
@@digitaldjtipsCheers for the response. So you would basically need a laptop if you want to use more than two channels simultaneously ?
No but that's one way, you can DJ off of two channels standalone internally and then hook up turntables or CDJs to the other two channels
Wait, what? So you can't play 4 wav tracks from the ssd or memory stick at the same time? Deck 3 and 4 are only external?
@@cryptoplutonium7637 right. With Pioneer you can play 2 tracks from your USB stick and the other 2 channels are for outboard gear like individual CDJs, turntable, or some other audio source
It's disappointing for I use Pioneer. I am looking to upgrade and would love to hope they would make a 4 channel standalone. The XZ is oversize, overprice version of the DDJ 400.
U sad that you have to convert your software to use the Denon DJ Prime 4, but it also reads your Rekordbox software so you don't have to convert anything
If I was in the market for a stand-alone 4 Chan I would have gotten a prime 4 no contest..but if ur like me and looking to replace an aging original sx..denon’s mcx 8000 didn’t compare to the 1000 srt I ended up purchasing.
Yeah the DDJ-1000 series are great!
Well you can import all software libarys and playlists including recordbox via the deon Prime software.
However this I think has come after this video.
So the Denon Prime wins for me!
Thanks for watching :)
pioneer is wonderful, i love it
Nice one
im going to give it next year to see whats what at this point
Yeah if you're not in any rush that's not a bad idea
Pioneer controllers will Always be the best you don’t need gadgets and gizmos to be a great dj you just need skills to work with what you got 😎😎
Thanks for weighing in :)
What is more important as a dj ? Hmmmm . Price is one of the most important , but also the functionality , size , display , built quality , effects , connectivity ............. Etc .... . So that being said Denon is the winner . Pioneer still cannot compare to that . Looking forward to see the upgrade of the cdjs , but i kinda don't see that they can beat Denon in that too . Denon did an amazing improvement on the dj scene with these models .
Honestly I’m keeping my DDJ 1000
Do! It's awesome
@@digitaldjtips I love my DDJ 1000. Hook a Mac Pro up to it, that's all I need until Denon gets bigger jogs.......then maybe I'll take the plunge. I started with Technics way back, then got the first Pioneers, and the first Denon CDJs, Numark, most impressive has alway been Denon. They've done it again, but I need big jogs......
@@i1539 LoL people who go for the bigger jogs might be trying to make up other shortcomings LOL.. The ultimate question is what?
I thought it is a battle between the standard,ones; why involve the DDJ-1000? It isn't standalone
The Prime 4 is really a no brainer imo.
@ Digital DJ tips... If you're going to post a "battle" of these units, your video is missing a lot of important features you forgot to mention on the Prime 4... Tidal, Wi-Fi (and more)etc. Better to make a longer video with in depth information for a real comparison between the two as I'm sure more people would appreciate and watch the video so they can make a more informed choice. IMO. 😉
Thanks for the feedback, DJCasanovaToronto.
Rane screwed up not setting up the 72 to run stand alone with the 12s.
That would have been awesome
I'm stuck between this or the Denon Prime 4, lots of people telling me the prime 4 is better and does more but the knobs and jog wheels just look cheap and toy like and colour lighting effects look cheap too but I like the 10" screen
I'm sure you'd be happy with either, they're both pro level bits of kit!
Pioneer is the choice of all the best clubs in the world, there must be a reason if there are 600 € of difference. For me Danon is a good standalone system but playing both there's no comparison in many things, freezing for first and look not at last
Only the first 5000 units of the Pioneer DJ XDJ - XZ were made to be compatable with Serrato. If the unit does not have Serrato decaled on the top corner then it is Rekordbox only.
Where are you getting that from?
I'll find the link. and you can view the review.
If DDJ-1000 & Denon MCX8000 had a child.. that would tick all my boxes.
2 screens for the club feels, good jogs, standalone, 4 channel,
compatibility with rekordbox, serato, whatever denon does & virtual dj
one can dream
Sounds good!
Denon dj is the future, just make the commitment and convert! Totaly worth it! 😍
Denon dj is trash. I owned an mcx8000. It CRASHED on me at SEVERAL events. Eventually i told myself enough is enough and traded it in for a ddj-1000. BEST investment EVER!!! pioneer's software is FAR better than denon's in EVERY WAY. Denon has a looonnnggg way to go to catch up with recordbox. So far engine is atrocious..
My MCX8000 NEVER crashed on me once and its STILL running to this day. You must've had a dud mate, of which pioneer or any other company are prone to also.
DJ BERASI I haven’t heard much crash reports on the prime 4
@@DJBERASI777 it crashed on you at an event that must have been really embarrasing
I'm also extremely pleased with how my Prime 4 is running too, no issues whatsoever. Just wished they had a sample pad feature within software/hardware.
i bought 3 prime 4s in germany when they first came out. all were seriously screwed up. turns out a certain batch had faulty circuit boads. got my refund. now shit happens. now i need something, i ordered the xz. but because of covid, ive been waiting months for it to arrive. and i already paid. at this point i feel like cancelling the pio and trying the p4 again. im friends with someone who works for denon. and has beta firmwares. i about to make the decision
Just made this exact decision this afternoon. XDJ-XZ just keeps getting put back and put back; cancelled!
Ouch not a great experience, if you get one that's working the Prime 4 is a solid choice (so is the XZ but waiting for months isn't fun lol)
Could be my one is perfect
Well, if the Denon actually had been a 4 deck stand alone controller - and maybe had added an a bit bigger touch screen - it would have been a bit more of a competition
Right now the Pioneer looks like a controller you skip and wait for the real one that must be coming
Both controllers are great but xz caries an aura of professionalism despite lacking shiny ornaments found on p4
It certainly does look the part
Prime 4 all the way. I bet Denon will come out with a Prime 4M in the near future (motorized jog wheels)
Hope so!
@@digitaldjtips yes, motorized and bigger jogs!!!!!!!!!!!! go for it Denon.....you do that and I'm selling my DDJ 1000
I would love to buy the XDJ-XZ.....but I need a real 4 Standalone Chanel and a bigger screen.....so Pioneer come on !!!! We are tired with waiting !!
Looks like you'll be waiting a while Sacha
@@digitaldjtips Well I can still wait...and use my RX.... so.....no problem ;-)