AMD Ryzen 5 5600X3D - The Micro Center Special
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- čas přidán 5. 06. 2024
- We got our hands on an AMD Ryzen 5 5600X3D from America - and Leo gives his verdict today. Read more here: bit.ly/47AFjlq
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00:00 Start
00:39 Some info
02:17 5600X3D Details
05:43 Testing methodology
09:55 Test Run
10:44 Power Consumption
11:04 CPU Temperature
11:52 Single Core
12:10 7-Zip
12:21 Aida 65 Memory Bandwidth
12:39 3DMark CPU Profile
13:03 Gaming
19:28 Leo’s Thoughts on the chip
20:41 Closing Thoughts
Test Systems:
Processors: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X3D, Ryzen 5 5600X and Ryzen 7 5800X3D
CPU Cooler: Corsair H150i Elite LCD
Motherboard: Gigabyte B550 Aorus Master
Memory: 32GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4-3600 C16
Graphics card: Gigabyte RTX 4080 16GB
Power supply: Seasonic Prime PX-1600 ATX 3.0
SSD: PNY CS3140 M.2 NVMe
OS: Windows 11
Processor: AMD Ryzen 5 7600X
CPU Cooler: Corsair H150i Elite LCD
Motherboard: Gigabyte X670 Aorus Elite
Memory: 32GB G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo DDR5-6000 C30
Graphics card: Gigabyte RTX 4080 16GB
Power supply: Seasonic Prime PX-1600 ATX 3.0
SSD: Sabrent Rocket 4.0 M.2 NVMe
OS: Windows 11
Other test results re-used from recent Ryzen 7 7800X3D review
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Pros:
Excellent gaming performance
Easy upgrade for AM4 gaming PCs
Low overall cost as you can re-use your motherboard and DDR4 memory.
Cons:
Availability is solely in-store at Micro Center in the USA
3D Cache technology restricts clock speed.
No CPU cooler included in the package
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I think it's important to clarify my stance. Eliminating bottlenecks to determine absolute performance of two parts IS important, and IS the proper way to do it.
My video was saying consumers could benefit from *additional* testing and data with real-world hardware matches.
I did not advocate one over the other as the only way you should test.
Jeff, your input is welcome and we love clarity. I note you recently posted video number 666 - that sounds like it should be an anniversary.
Leo
The chip is a 5800x 3d with 2 disabled cores. They had a bunch of failed 5800x3d chips that instead of trashing they put on the market. Kudos to them for making use of the silicon.
it doesn't matter whether it's 5800X3D with 2 cores disabled or 5600X with added cache, because both is true, since any 5600 is just 5800 with disabled/defective cores.
@@igoresque🤔
@@igoresque not really because the chiplets are different. The 5800 is a stronger chip than the 5600. It’s kind of like the 5900x vs 5950x the 5900x has 2 chiplets each with six cores where as the 5950x has 2 chiplets each with 8 cores. If I’m not too badly mistaken the silicon of the ryzen 7 series is a bit better than the ryzen 5 series.
@@Fenrirsleash any "strong" chip can become a low tier SKU during binning, binning is the difference, which happens after the chiplet is made
@@Fenrirsleash All of the chiplets are the same, they bin for frequency and voltage and fuse off the cores that are bad. If it is an odd number they will fuse off a second one to keep cache access level. Essentially, a 7-good 1-bad chiplet will then becomes a 6 core. Anything going below 4 will probably be discarded and I doubt its common. The only ones with a different design are the APUs which is why they can sometimes clock memory much higher than the standard desktop parts.
I dropped one of these in an Asus X470 Crosshair VII Hero Wifi gaming system a few weeks ago to extend it's life. Works well. I'm 70 miles from a Micro Center.
It's an interesting limited edition chip - a nice unexpected send off. I wouldn't hop through all the hassle of import fees, customs fees, etc to get one - simply is not worth it. Which is fine, as availability of the 5800X3D seems healthy here. But for 'Mericans near a micro center, it's not a bad option to consider (pending a number of things).
To be a guy who got the first wave of stupid cheap 1600AF's and could now upgrade to this 😍
@@fracturedlife1393 Yea, it is honestly worth considering - my self am on an X370 board, and while I did my last upgrade prior to the launch of the 5800X3D (I grabbed the 5800X as it was one sale for the same price as the 5700X), I'm very happy with how much life and performance I've gotten out of my platform (reminds me so much of Super 7 - although with much more consistent quality standards).
yeah id agree, but its a decent chip for the price based on what ive seen. Leo did a good job of testing.
There's not a lot of us "Mericans" near a microcenter. for me I weighed the options and my 3700x is ok for now and there is no reason to run out and grab the new cpu
I bought this same chip a month ago (Boston area, US). Only reason was because it was a Microcenter combo deal (total was $330 for the cpu + b550 motherboard + 16gigs of 3200 RAM). I also shelled out $40 for a deepcool ak400 cooler. I've been slowly upgrading this machine in my den for gaming and media content, basically a 'hand me down' system from my office desk, previously running an Intel 8700 setup. This old machine wasn't keeping up well with the 3070ti leftover that I put in it after upgrading my main office machine to a 7900xtx, and the 5600x3d felt like a perfect pairing for the last-gen nVidia card. I'd never buy this combo if I was building an entirely new system, but given I already had a nice GPU, psu, case, and storage, it just happened to be in the right place at the right time to let me game in 4K at decent fps on my couch.
Living in the USA, but a few hours from a Microcenter store, I took a trip to the closest one for one of said combo's for a mostly new build at a good price for my needs. The CPU went into an existing socket AM4 board as a gaming based upgrade for one computer, and the ram & board were used in a different computer as a home file server / living room entertainment PC. The situation worked out well for me. However, as you noted, for many... this wouldn't be the case (even if someone is relatively close to a store). Good review.
Finally! Waited for a month. I got this from Tustin microcenter and wanted to see the benchmark.
I like that AMD finally refined their products, took them a few years but done now, Am5 still to be refined
American here. I bought the bundle. I have an x570 board already with a 3700x. The bundle comes with a b550. So I put the 5600x3d in my pc and took the 3700x out for the b550 and will make a second pc with it. All in all it was a huge gamming performance upgrade. I will be looking to complete the b550/3700x as a workstation in the near future with components off the used market. Couldn't be more happy with my purchase.
Nice job - I think this will be a very nice part to continue to reward AMD platform owners who still haven't migrated to the latest platform.
It's not so much a reward as a milking of the last stragglers. They're just 5800x3d chips that didn't pass QC.
If it is simply a damaged 5800X3D with 2 cores disabled, I wonder if we'll see a 5400X3D with only 4 cores?
Cracking job, Leo.
These failed validation as 5800X3Ds.
Considering how limited this run is, I wouldn't hedge bets on any Vermeer R3s.
That 7800X3D is really fast. Those numbers are insane!
yeah its quick alright
It is the 5800X3D with cores disabled. That's why it's a US Microcenter exclusive because they recycled chips that couldn't pass so instead of trashing the bad yields they turned them into 5600X3d chips.
The AM4 x3D cpus make sense as a final upgrade to a gaming focused build if you already have an AM4 system. For someone building new Intel LGA 1700 for ddr4 builds makes sense as does the Ryzen 7600/x for entry DDR5 build with room to upgrade the CPU in the future. Nice review and thanks for your thoughts.
Straight from the fab bin!
So here's my question so with AMD news 3DV cache what would you say about the lifespan of those cache be, for the 5800x3D since temps can reach about 70c will it affect the lifespan over time?
If I had easy access to a Microcenter, I'd consider upgrading my 3600. But I'd have to think about stuffing a better cooler into my SFF case. So, I am glad the product exists and I hope people benefit from it. But I am glad it's too far away for me to have to think hard.
This CPU or even the 5800X3D don't really use more power than a 3600 (for thermal considerations anyways). If anything the 65W rating for the 3600 is a bit low and the 100W rating for the X3D chips is a bit high. Remember they are thermal limited by design more than other CPUs, and the 3600 actually exceeds it's usual power draw more often because it tries to boost harder. In my experience you can drop these X3D CPUs in the same board with the same cooler as a 3600/2700 system or anything on the "lower-end". It makes it an even better deal because as was shown you can use these even in the cheapest motherboards just fine. Just use a cooler with actual fins and heatpipes instead or the cheapest block coolers. If you're using these on a cheap mobo with little VRM cooling, try to use a downdraft cooler if possible, it will help with board temps. Also look into negative voltage offset using curve optimizer, it will lower temps as well.
with just custom loop and curve optimizer, I able to push my 5800X3D to 15200 on cinebench R23
almost bought one but micro center had a 2 day sale on the 5800x3d for $259 it was a no brainer
Bought 2 of these to upgrade my sons’ 3600 AMD. Seems to work well.
Exactly what I did, but I didn’t install it yet. Since the price drop of the 5800X3D same as what I bought the 5600X3D for, should I go exchange it or keep this rare beast.
@@Guwapo77 is same as 5800x3D price, return and get 5800x3D. I have both. my 5800x3d has a 4090 behind it so you get all the benefits. If you have a lesser GPU, you won't get all the performance. same cost, get 5800x3D
lol i know that intro music... Man of culture.....
You a Jill or Sage fan Leo?
A side-by-side comparison of the specs would’ve been visually better IMO. Another tidbit that stood out was the inclusion of an i5 rather than an i9. Heck I’d like to see how the 5600X3D fared against the 2 most sought after high-end CPUs, the 7950X3D ($653.98 US@MC) and the i9-13900K ($566.98 US@MC)
We included the Core i5-13600K because it sells in the UK for £300, which is the same as the Ryzen 7 5800X 3D. Stepping up to the Core i7 takes us out of the realms of 'should you go for a cheap AM4 upgrade or pick a new platform?'
Leo
Awesome little chip that, shame they d idnt make enough for a global launch.
nice to see some coverage for our american brothers ! looks ideal for me overall, but can't get it here anyway, so sod that then
It's a fun rare CPU that lives over the sea, like Bigfoot ill only see it in videos.
Wonder if it's got a lot of room for undervolting?
Sounds like the silicon is being blasted, maybe the silicon quality is relay mixed in the batch so there brute forcing it.
The disparity between uplifted averages and those less so 1% lows - takes the sheen of the proposition a bit. Great review tho!
I've been having a bunch of DDR4 Ram failures lately - Corsair and Teamgroup - Corsair has the best RMA process and I am still waiting on Teamgroup after several weeks . Might be something to cover in a future video ???
Several weeks means you basically have to purchase more ram and then just have an extra set when they send it back . That really doesn't work for me and Corsair just had me destroy my ram ... take a picture and then sent the replacement out to me in a matter of days . Teamgroup on the other hand made me mail it to them and then taking probably a month to return/replace . Guess I will buy Corsair exclusively from now on ?
Dont run foul of Jeff! Dangerous game to play :D
I think you're right Leo - it's a Ryzen 7 part where 2 of the cores didn't pass quality checks. So they disabled them and did the deal with MicroCenter to save AMD sending the chips to landfill.
It is somewhat irritating that the USA got this as an exclusive though.
I bought one and I dont live in America 🤓
all ryzen 5s are 7s with stuff disabled
Quite a power efficient CPU that.
interesting analysis of an unusual chip - good way to get rid of failed chips - not the first time. Likely wont be the last either.
Micro center has had flash sales for only $151.99. hard to say no but if I'm sticking to am4 for awhile, might as well get 5800x3d (coming from 5600x)
I don't like Gigabyte motherboards because the one I purchased doesn't take any pcie add on cards except a videocard . I don't know why - because any other board I have ever built with has and the good ones even had bifurcation ... So I could always add on a raid card or nvme , etc... Figured I would give them a try -but won't make the same mistake again for sure .
nicely done Mr Leo - a little 'meh' overall, but an interesting little strategy from team AMD.
i want this for my mATX pc but idk if its a320 is up for it
should be ok tbh
Not bad thermal performance (for a Ryzen).
Did he just drop that in the bin off camera at 0:48
Now run a 7900x3d in 7600x3d mode for testing
Why not pair a 4080 with a 5600x? Over 100 fps in all the games you tested looks good to me. 😊
Well I'd say the 5700X is a better pairing. The price difference is almost negligible at that price range (like $30 USD) and the 2 extra cores comes in useful for some games or having stuff running in the background. I'd personally go for at least a Ryzen 5800X3D for those pesky CPU demanding games that I play a lot.
@KillFrenzy96 But I'm coming from the viewpoint of someone, like myself, who already has a 5600x. I wouldn't upgrade to a 5700x just for gaming, especially if I'm still using my 3070. I've been tempted to upgrade to a 5800x3d but for the type of games I play it's not really worth it. I think I'd be better off with a gpu upgrade first.
@@mikep9418 Ah if you already have a 5600X, then you don't really need to upgrade. I would only go for the 5800X3D if you find yourself hitting CPU limitations on CPU heavy games.
Good choice to go for the GPU first.
If building new the Ryzen 5 7600 at $209.99 at Microcenter makes more sense being cheaper, coming with a cooler and having better 1% lows in the charts!
Do you guys think it would be dumb going to a 5600x3d form a 5900x? All I do is game. I do live very close to a micro center.
Dont think it would be dumb, could probably get good coin back from 5900X
Your 1% lows may suffer in some games though especially if they scale with cores and you use RT.
Maybe try and find benchmarks which include both CPU's in the games you play most just to be sure.
Dumb idea get the 5800x3d or 7800x3d you foing from 12 to 6 cores that is horrible
I agree with dawienel1142, check out some benchmarks to be sure.
I don't even understand what user-ib5pu9hm1y's logic is, if going from 12 to 6 cores is "horrible" then how would going from 12 to 8 be acceptable?
I suspect in either case the 3D-Vcache would make games run better except maybe if you're running tasks in the background or the game is especially multi-threaded. But yeah you should definitely confirm that is the case before making the switch.
I wish there were more than basically zero videos/articles where someone talks about or experiments with running programs in the background while running game benchmarks on CPUs with varying core counts. Something like that could help you be sure if lowering your core count is a good idea. Or if you don't ever run anything else while gaming you don't have to worry.
Are these 3d variant CPUs seem to be a gimmick right up until you see the gaming performance.
On complaint. If you use a set of cpus in productivity benchmarks you should use the same set of cpus in the fps benchmarks. I don't think its right subtracting or adding cpus as you see fit. Most of us look for all round performance. We do exist.
I take your point but there is an explanation. If I take data from a few months ago of a CPU running Cinebench R23 I can be confident the part will still run at X GHz pulling Y Watts and scoring Z result. The same is not necessarily true of gaming tests as the both games and drivers are updated quite regularly so you have to mix and match data carefully. Ideally we retest everything from scratch for every project but there are practical limitations.
Leo
@@KitGuruTech if that's the case don't update the game. Keep two rigs amd and Intel. And done with it. Before install of cpu or change of cpu delete cpu drivers remove folder shut down change cpu boot reinstall cpu drivers.
I think Leo’s explanations is perfectly sound when you factor in the realities and practicalities of processor testing.
One thing seems weird. Most folks who own the 5800x3d say the primary advantage is in 1% low increases, so even in the cases where the average frame rate does not improve much, the game still feels smoother to the touch. In this review and unless im mistaken, the 1% lows seem like they are either not better at all, or even worse than the non-x3d chips... What gives?
full disclosure I run a 5800x3d and have noticed large average and 1% low frame rate increases from my old 3600x. GPU is AMD 6750xt-12 and my son's pc is same except 6800xt-16... we love our 5800x3ds and wouldn't want to go back to our 3600x/3700x
The Ryzen 5 5600X3D is better in every gaming scenario we have seen than the regular 5600X. You are quite correct that an improvement in 1% lows is more useful than jacking up the average from 120fps to 150fps (or whatever). The small downside is that 3D chips have lower clocks speeds and that hurts general computing performance.
Leo
This chip would easily be a best seller in europe screw you amd
Lol, a union Jack spreading freedom chips :D
yeeeeh haw!
Why are AMD selling a CPU in only a chain store in the US?
Presumably AMD has only enough of these CPUs to satisfy Micro Center and they are happy to encourage customers to walk in the store and have a real world experience.
Leo
with the 13600k and 7600x pushing towards 50% better 1% lows this cpu doesnt seem very impressive
Yeah the 1% lows were worrying especially compared to the averages, was still significantly better than the 5600x though.
tbh if the 1% lows are close to 100 then it shouldn't be a bother to most, but I personally am sensitive to such things and even needed to optimize the hell out of my 5800x3D/3080Ti system to fully get rid of them.
Who knew going 160Hz+ gaming was gonna turn me into a FPS snob, but yeah can't take even a 60 fps 1% low hit these days and can feel 1% low hits in games when there is a big delta between it and the averages so I found 0.1% lows of above 60 (1% lows above 90) to be very responsive and basically stutter free in my experience.
Luckily with a clean/optimized Windows 10 system, both my CPU and GPU undervolted and 32GB 3800CL16 RAM (tuned with tight timings) I am experiencing no stuttering these days with the exception of specific games that stutter on everything like some UE4 based games that get shader compilation stutters and even then its generally a better experience than most posts I see online about bad performance.
Forspoken was giving me some serious headaches recently, but I found its down to my 12GB GPU memory buffer along with crazy high requirements that caused the issue, after I dropped the resolution to 1440p (native) from 3419x1080 (DLDSR) I normally prefer in my games, it was sulky smooth with no lag spikes around 100 FPS using DLSS set to quality and optimized settings though.
Long live AM4
The gaming results show the 7600x is a better CPU than both the 5600X3D and 5800X3D as it offers higher 1% lows and thus a more consistent gaming experience.
There is no doubt about that - the point is that Zen 4/AM5 requires a new motherboard and DDR5 while this 3D CPU is a potential upgrade for older PCs.
Leo
Kind of like AMD supporting big box stores and eschewing Amazon.
pretty interesting idea from AMD to clear chips that 'didnt make the cut' really. thats all this is. making a bit of money of rejected chips
been common procedure for decades
That is a shame to distribute this product only in one market.
they only have so many and American audience seems the best bet as its got a wide selection, but you can buy it an import it. my mate did it.
100 bcks would be the correct price.
He said the 5600x3d should work with a boxed cooler....but the temps were the exact same as the 5800x3d.... huh?? lol
My point is that AMD should include an appropriate cooler with these relatively low power CPUs to keep costs down for the customer.
Leo
@@KitGuruTech I am saying if they did, it wouldn't be enough would it? The temps were pretty high no? I probably sounded smart-ass, but I honestly just don't know if these chips are fine on a wraith prism, like some say, or no. I also was legit blown away the two CPUs had the same temps despite being different TDP. I know the cache insulates, but I would still expect the 5800 to be yet hotter.
Leo is always challanging the camera to differ with his opinion.
What took so long? Don’t they have micro centers in the UK???😂
And the humble 13600k offers better 1% lows in most games, data that all the X3D fanboys seem to regularly forget.
dont think anyone would forget that, just a good chip for AMD gamers who already have the rest of the ecosystem.
The fact that the Ryzen gets so close impresses me tbh. AMD were always light years behind intel - competition is good!
It's a 2020 chip with some cache slapped on that's why it's impressive
13600K is more expensive than the 5800X3D and it's main competition is the 7700X pricing wise
Tbh it's the 7800X3D that hangs with the 13900K at less than half the power draw is what's impressive
The 13600K is great but the fact is that you can’t slap that into a 2017 motherboard currently running in your zen 1 rig. Also, I would expect a lot from that level of power draw. Pros and cons, you have to give props to both sides!
Could be a Trump cpu "america first" 😂
just dont be injecting it with bleach
Do not understand why you spent your valuable resources (time and energy) benchmarking a system that is only a MC sold and US based deal - which I am led to understand is a failed 5800x3d bin stock.
I found it interesting, its hardly a waste of time. A lot of americans on youtube. I might actually buy one and get it shipped to Europe tbh
I enjoyed the article. I dont always watch videos on products I want to buy, good educational resources
another stupid review where he does not test it in 4k. This cpu is good for SFF HTPC and 4k gaming, because there is prolly not difference with hight end cpus and power consuption and price is lower. This guy totally missed what is the best use of the product
BTW his 7600x is ofter faster than 7700x xD
1.6k watt psu xD
4K gaming is all about the GPU. This is a review of the CPU.
Leo
The 7800x3d makes little to no difference in gaming at 4k because of how GPU bound 4k is.
@@KitGuruTech - that's exactly what I wrote, but would be nice if somebody checked
AMD are really stupid here. These are old but the money AMD would make. Many people are delaying upgrading due to DDR5 memory requirements.
All these ryzen CPU's, R5's + R7's and only 1 i5 Intel CPU? Why not include the i7 13700? What is it you are trying to show? I mean, the 7800x3d and 13700k have less then a $20 price difference so I can safely say that cost DEFINATELY isn't the reason you didn't include it. Why not include the 13500 or the 13400? Hell, why not include some 12th gen parts also since you went back 1 generation to AM4? Look, I'm going to go ahead call out the elephant in the room here.. It's fine that your channel is all about 1 brand; just be upfront about and don't bother including "select" competition parts that chosen in order to make your preference look good as possible. If you wish to be a channel that is all about Ryzen then just be a channel only about Ryzen. Otherwise reviews like this come off as with the singular purpose of slandering the other brand.
No, you have that the wrong way round. This is a Zen 3 AM4 part so it is clearly aimed at existing AMD customers who want a cheap upgrade. If you want chapter and verse on AMD vs. Intel check out our review of the Ryzen 7 7800X3D www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/leo-waldock/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d-review-we-told-you-to-wait
@@KitGuruTech I get what the review is supposed to be. I feel like that instead of reading my whole comment, you are just reacting to it.
@@jhowle9475 I did read your whole comment and responded to the thrust of your point. If you think KitGuru is 'all about 1 brand' you have misunderstood what we are about, and you will see that if you follow the link above.
Leo
@@KitGuruTech I will check out your video link above and get back to you. I’ve been watching your channel for years and would like to continue. However, as a custom system builder in the hobby for 31 years; I tend to expect the utmost in unbiased reporting and us being in the same age group; I’d hope you would to. Additionally, I personally feel that each video should carry the message of what your channel is about. As someone who watches frequently, it’s easy to understand your motives. However, if i were a once in a while drive by viewer; your message of what you are about would be 100% lost. Hence forth why I commented in the first place.
@@jhowle9475 I am not defending leo or Kitguru as they can do that themselves but ive seen so many Intel reviews from Leo, extoiling their virtues that I fail to see how you could even come to that conclusion to be perffectly honest. its a bizarre single take to have from this.
AN X570 WAS THE PLATFORM DESIGNED FOR THE 5000 SERIES CPU NOT THE B550...B550 IS A CRAP PLATFORM FOR 5000 AMD..ASK ME HOW I KNOW..POLISHING A TURD BY ADDING AN AGESA UPDATE STILL DOES NOTHING FOR B550..MINE HAS BEEN BACK FOR R.M.A TWICE BECAUSE OF AGESA UPDATE'S..I DO IN FACT HAVE AN AUROS PRO V.1 AS OF RIGHT NOW RUNNING A 3700X WHICH THE BOARD WAS MANUFATURED FOR..WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE IT TESTED ON THE RIGHT BOARD..WIFE IS DUE FOR AN UPGRADE..
B550 works absolutely fine but sure, X570 brings more features. The All Caps is a bit tiring to read but did you really mean to say 'wife is due for an upgrade' ?
Leo
SORRY FOR THE CAP'S LEO...VISION PROBLEM'S...FEATURES ARE NOT SO MUCH A THING AS IS THE FACT THAT X570 MANAGE;S THE CPU THE WAY IT WAS MEANT TO WORK..OH AND I MEANT HER COMP NEED'S AN UPGRADE.SORRY..ANY WAY...LOVE THE CONTENT YOU PROVIDE SIR...@@KitGuruTech
@@jesternangelI went fromB450 to x570 (itx) on my 5900x - features wise, great, pcie4 as an example. Cpu wise - no difference, that’s 5900X was just as performant in tn the b450 as the x570