I Tested 5 "DEAD" Ryzen CPUs
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We decided to test 5 dead Ryzen CPUs that we've saved up over the years from our Fix or Flop playlist! Can we get any of them to work again? By the way, if you live in the Orlando, FL area and have an issue with your PC, apply to have it (possibly) fixed for free today! gregsalazar.com/fix-or-flop
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The ryzen 5 3600s with dead memory channels would be worth something to dell so they have an excuse to use single channel ram
BROOO 💀💀
damn
Fix or flop is getting intense!
I love how you take everything as a learning experience, to many people want to just be right all the time instead of realizing that there is always something to learn. Keep up the good work greag! awesome video!
Choosing a motherboard with a Post Code display would have provided much more useful information.
he doesnt even have a bios chip reader, he just does this videos for money isnt in real repairing PCs
@Chris723 Yeah, CZcamsrs generally make videos to make money, super hot take you had there. But to say he's not into repairing PCs is clearly false. He shows the broken PC and then he makes it work, without charging the viewer. It's kind of a win win situation.
@@ignacio8597 I taught after tens of videos he would start buying some diagnositcs equipment, it would make for better videos.
@Chris723 I mean it's not perfect, but people do get free repairs/parts, he makes money, and it does help some people at home try to fix their own stuff. I'd say the general viewers think they're good enough.
Most people don't have Dr Debug visual codes on their MOBO's so this is also useful to get to the bottom of issues
Great vid and quite helpful- I build a lot of Ryzen based computer systems and this helps with a "heads up" of possible outcomes. I have not yet witnessed these symptoms, but good to have this knowledge.
This video's great! the monologue of troubleshooting shows how people may want to try to do when they encounter problems with their systems.
The 3900x was a hot chip, and if not properly cooled I could see the IHS becoming partially unsoldered from one or both of the CCX's. This would make it pretty much impossible to thermally manage from then on.
It would be awesome to see him delid it and try it again! It's already damaged so he's not really gonna break it more! lol
That could be, but I've got a 3900X that's been running flawlessly in a gaming rig with a Scythe Mugen 2 cooler. The only issue this PC has is when running a particular game with the FPS cap wide open and the display set to 120Hz; the CPU fan surges wildly. I've never been able to sort that one out. But it's non-competitive MMO whose animations look best at 60 FPS, so there's no reason to run it faster.
solder melts around 200 degrees Celsius. I don't think any 3900X was getting that hot, no matter how bad the cooling was.
all AMD's are hot chips.
I am guessing you ain't old enough to remember the old melting amd chips.
@@dremy746 Different solders melt at different temperatures. The solder used in CPU's is not the same as the lead-tin solder used in making electrical connections. The solder used in CPU's is indium solder, which melts at 157 degrees C, and can soften at lower temps.
for the chips that do boot in to bios you could try turning cores off, first try to see if it works ok with only 2 cores then enable 4 and so on to find out maybe a 6 core can work fine with 4 cores
Not worth it.
@@JoeNasr123 TF you mean not worth it? He is already in possession of the chips, it costs nothing.
@@TuffMcAwesome Too much work for a chip that's only good enough to throw in the garbage bin..
@@groenevinger3893 sometimes he is too scared to put his working CPUs into motherboards that he suspects might fry them, so I think these partially working CPUs could make for perfect test subjects, as he won't lose anything if they get fried anyway.
Good vid, love the troubleshooting.
Greg your channel is sooo good! I am really enjoying it. Please keep it up. 👏🏼
Brian at Tech Yes City had similar issues with some Ryzen chips and found that some had bad cores and was able to get them working by disabling a core
Love you vids again Greg, anyways that Blue Eyes Toon Dragon was cool at your back
Hey Greg, thanks to you & your fix or flop series i was able to fix my 10 year old desktop, so let me share what happened the. Out of the blue the system started Blue screen of deaths different error everytime so i thought maybe the windows was corrupt and tried to fresh install the windows but it wouldn't let me boot via the Pendrive, so i thought maybe the HDD had given up the ghost. Had a spare HDD lying so decided to swap it and sometimes it would just bootloop and sometimes it would just give no output to display so started by disconnecting RAM's to narrow down the problem so guess what 1 of the RAM sticks had gone faulty so tried putting it in the other slot to rule out defective slot but the RAM was at fault so finally the system started with the other 4 gig stick. I didn't go to any repair shop as most of them just try to rip off, so thanks to you my potato pc started again.
Tech Yes City has had similar problems with AMD cpu's recently. Great video as always, Greg. Much respect.
Great video man. I also like to revisit things to update that mental database where you think you had it figured it out, but in fact did not. Wonder if mem controller is getting torched or an issue with going to aggressive on the F-CLOCK damaging Infinity Fabric? I wouldn't know, I'm only a measly ZEN+ owner and haven't over clocked anything since boost clocks have been implemented in CPUs/GPUs. I'm from the old era. Overclocked my Athlon with a #2 pencil and then a car defogging repair kit. 🔥
The 5900x seems similar to a few cases of degraded silicon I've seen. With some time you could probably dial in the voltage/clocks to get it running pretty close to stock. Not perfect but would still work well as a homelab CPU or something.
I have an old fx-8370 chip (use it as a test bench and backup media system now).
Used to oc to 5.0GHz, but slowly became unstable over the years.
Now it'll run fine forever at 4775MHz but not at 4800 or more.
As others said, the 5900X is "fixable" by disabling Global C-States control in BIOS, which disables core parking feature. My 5950x just did this last week, while it can be fixed by disabling this option, personally i decided to RMA it instead.
Had a 5800 that would always work with pbo off. Probably a cstate issue but I just got a replacement also
For the ones with dram led... Tech Yes Bryan found he could revive a "dead" 3600 by undervolting in the bios with a good cpu, and then switch to the dead one. It would be interesting if you could make any of yours work by undrvolting or reducing the clocks.
[edit] lol, just got to the last one where you did just that. Worth re-checking some of the others similarly.
100%
I had the exact same issue as the last CPU that you tested here. Tried underclocking as suggested and everything seems to be working now! Thought I had tried everything... Thanks!
Ahh, the joys of troubleshooting used components. Loving this series, keep them coming!
lets hope he doesnt have to keep em coming.. noone wants to deal with dead components
Another great video. Always learn something new
So the first 2 that get stuck on Dram light, I think you are correct mostly...I've seen this a bunch of times...It usually happens when the SOC voltage gets set too high and damages the memory controller...It really doesn't like getting overvolted too much unless you have extreme cooling...
I was looking forward to this, since you had quite a collection of dead 3000s.
To be honest I recently built two absolute equal 7600x systems, did the same settings on boths, same gpu, same EVERYTHING aside hard drives.
One was running at 1.4v, the other at 1.29. The former was almost hitting 95°C (on a Dark Rock pro 4!!) the other was running relatively cool in the 80ish pumping better scores all over the place.
I've ended up forcing a Curve optimizer on the 1.4v basically that reduced it to the voltages of the other (even less at -30) and the thing began running cooler than the other and posting roughly the same results if not a tad better. For safety I set the owner to -20, then instructed him how to lower it by time as soon as he checked that he was stable in his editing/gaming/daily routine. He now runs it at -30 and at least in Cpu-z/R23 he gets results slightly better than the other that I've left at stock all while running about 5°C cooler overall.
The above was kinda strange tbh.. same b650M-A pro from MSI, same coolers, same Asus Tuf 6800Xt, same evga supernova G6 850, same g.skill 6000 c36 kit 2x16, same crucial P5 plus, same bios version, same bios settings (at default + just enabled XMP and fan profiles), same Phanteks p500 the only difference was one rig has a 2Tb HDD + 256 sata SSD, the other one just a 3Tb HDD carried over from their previous builds. But that can't be the humongous vcore difference. The only test I didn't do is to swap CPUs between the motherboards, but looking at how the CO cure turned out, I thought I didn't wanted to dismount and remount two Dark Rock Pro 4s 4 times in a day..
I just want to say thank you for the fix or flop content! Thanks to your methodology I was able to fix a friend's "dead" PC in less than 15 minutes. He thought the mobo was dead and asked me if I could look at it knowing that I have experience building PCs, and I was quickly able to narrow it down to just 1 dead RAM stick. I cleared the CMOS, swapped in a known working GPU, and then tested RAM one stick and one slot at a time. It was so satisfying being able to save that PC as it is still a relatively powerful system.. i7 9700k on a gigabyte z370 motherboard with an RX 6700xt.
for giggles I tried a older weed pen that stopped working (as they all do when the battery dies)....but today, I got two hits (with lights) and it still seems like it can give me more. I know it's not the same but I'm pretty stoked, literally :) Good vid Greg -- you're a genuine dude.
This should become a super sub series where every 45 videos or 5 bad cpus or any part really of Fix/Flop you should go back and see if you cant fixate or if they are truly broken
Great video thanks Greg.
Just hanging on the dram light...great video
I have a viewsonic version of that portable monitor. I absolutely love it. High refresh rate and relatively good brightness and color. It’s a really nice thing to have around.
Quite funny to see this video because I do the same from time to time. Go back to hardware lying around trying to fix it again and again - and often forgot what was the problem. I got some things repaired tho so it's always good to try it later again.
Hope AMD will accept that they'll take a look at it. It would be interesting to know what happend to the cpus.
Been waiting for this!
Greg your videos are the highlight of my day
I would love to try to delid that 5900x and see if it's a contact issue. Maybe there's an internal issue where the chip is barely touching lid. Or maybe try turning one of the CCDs off amd try running at stock settings.
Hi Greg
Thanks for the always informative, and thorough videos.
I wonder if you would share some Fix or flop statistics?
Do you have as many faulty intel processors as ryzens? Put up against how many you got it in?
I have a Ryzen 72700X. Where one memory channel crapped out. What happened was I changed my cooler for one of those tower coolers and the weight on the tower cooler ripped the Ryzen out of its socket, and I am guessing that that caused some sort of electrical faultin the CPU, as it doesn't like being pulled out of its socket when the power is on. But that's what happened. The main fault lies with the top-heavy weight of the tower cooler and the CPU retention arm. The weight of the cooler pulled the arm out of its socket. There was an easy fix for this and that was to bend the arm towards the socket again, making a better contact with the catch. But by then it was too late.
My verdict is --- Tower coolers are too top-heavy and the CPU retention arms are too weak and don't latch hard enough.
Was wondering when we'd get this video since you've hinted at it a few times
17:55 recently I also experienced this issue (boot to automatic repair), my solution is disable fast boot and longer time for display bios (3s to 5s)
Great episode! Very curious if AMD ever tests these, too.
Thanks for the follow up. I would like to see if any of the mobos are salvageable.
With the overheating CPUs, try delid and liquid metalling the CPU and putting the IHS back. The thermal glue inside might've dried out or not making contact with the IHS anymore
I believe all Ryzen CPUs are soldered to the IHS
Yeah, they're all soldered... But maybe badly. I second delidding
Any troubleshooting is a great thing.
I am curious what speeds the RAM was running at in the systems these CPUs with dead memory channels came from. Because, if I remember correctly, the RAM speed could affect the Infinity Fabric speed, and maybe there's a certain speed that, on certain chips, causes the Infinity Fabric to damage the Memory Lanes?
Idk, I am just spouting off ideas that are popping into my head at 1 AM. Great work as always Greg!
Hey Greg, found a intresting thing!! 16:30 / 16:37 time in the video when u press on the ram with your finger (Dram) light Changes to CPu , i dont know im the only one noticing it.. Love ur Content!!
some AMD chips that have dual CCD(x900, x950, or some x600 series) may experience some impedance between CCDs especially when theres a degradation problem related to the silicon, their voltage needs heavy adjustment to work normally. TechYESCity demonstrated that by disabling cores/limiting boost frequencies some of these chips could be salvaged.
Make sure to disable some cores in the BIOS to see if chips will run afterwards. You can try manually increasing voltages or lowering clocks too. Sometimes some cores will die completely, other times just enabling PBO or even any boost frequency at all will be the issue. I've also seen it where it would basically need an extra 50mV to hold the advertised boost frequency. Mostly, these chips can be saved if you're willing to make compromises.
I reckon it would be interesting to see these delidded and see what the components inside look like or if there is any thermal damage to the silicon dies
Should try de-lidding the ones that you think overheat internally. it might be interesting to see if there's something odd with the compounds between the chips and the IHS. Also, lol suggested re-naming your old videos in comments during one of your recent videos.
Hey Greg, love your Videos. There is a possible workaround for those 3600's that are sticking on dram, Put in a working CPU, then goto BIOS and undervolt and downclock the ram speed. I have seen a LOT of 3600 and 3600x that after a couple of years developed a problem with ram speed
17:29 a spark was there under the motherboard :))
Love your debug GPU! Cute
Love the graded Yu-Gi-Oh cards in the back !
Greg, I don't know whether this interests you, but for bench testing a motherboard, I use a removable, external power switch. I like this better than physically shorting the power switch pins when I have to start up the same board many times. Of course, if you are working with a number of different boards at the same time, this would be more time consuming than shorting with a screwdriver.
Love the Yu-Gi-Oh cards in the background.
Love this series
A motherboard with debug codes instead of just LEDs (and a power button) would've probably been beneficial for these tests.
Or regarding the power button, you could just use one from an unused case to connect it to the pins instead of having to short the jumpers all the time.
Same here.
I thought they were going to be sent back to AMD to test them?
@@daveward4358 Greg did say he was trying to contact AMD about that but he just hasn't heard back from them yet. He did also say that he will update us once they do contact him back about it.
@@JCmeister9 So AMD probably know they sent out bad batches.
@@daveward4358 Not necessarily, only because we can neither confirm or deny if that's true without proof or evidence. What I can say for sure is that, there were a lot of people who bought these CPU's, so it's possible that failure rates can seem to be higher than what it truly is overall.
Used your code and got Win 11 key for $21- Thanks man!!
Is that a Blue-Eyes Toon Dragon in the background? 😍 I think I also see The Winged Dragon of Ra and Relinquished, I could be wrong. I can’t tell what the other two are.
You could set up one test bench with a dedicated PSU and just change out the motherboard on it when needed. It's not too much work considering what you go through with each build that comes into your studio. It would make troubleshooting GPUs a lot easier because you could just pop it into any MoBo you already have mounted on it. Love your content so any time you could save when creating the videos would mean more content you could put out accumulatively.
Also, I have an AsRock B450m Steel Legend and on the bios page of the website, they recommend not to update the bios if you are using first or second gen Ryzen. Only to update it if you are upgrading or planning to use 3rd gen or above. So just referring to the tidbit about your B550 board being fully updated, it could have some compatibility issues with older CPUs.
Commenting before I finish the vid, I've only hit the 5 min mark. But what you said in the 4:30 - 4:59 is exactly why you're one of my favorites.
Recently I had a family member complain that shortly after plugging in his new WD 2TB Elements portable USB 3.0 (the next day actually) his monitor, keyboard, and mouse quit working. I saw that his MSI X470 Gaming Plus Max AM4 MB had every USB port filled with various crap...looked like a porcupine. His poor Corsair VS 450 PSU had to handle a Kingston 120GB SSD (OS boot drive), a WD 250GB HDD, a Seagate Barracuda 500GB HDD, the Ryzen 5 3600 w/stock cooler, 16GB G. Skill Trident Z Neo 3600, 5 UpHere RGB case fans, MSI GTX 1650 Super GPU with 2 monitors plugged in, and some gadget that appeared to have a few mini monitor screens. All the fans and lights were working, as well as the GPU fans.
I noted the PSU didn’t have a connector for the 4-pin CPU PWR2 on the board, which I’ve read the MB only really needs the 8-pin CPU PWR1 but I can’t help but wonder so I suggested he buy a more powerful PSU to handle all the stuff he had plugged in and to make sure it had the connector to fill that void. Well a new Tier A Corsair RM1000e PSU didn’t help so I tried a known working GPU but that didn’t help either. I should note that no settings were ever tinkered with. Everything was totally factory and his Metallic Gear Neo case w/2 Skiron RGB fans, plus the 5-pack of UpHere RGB fans offered plenty of ventilation. I thought for sure the motherboard had an issue.
The next stop was Micro Center for component isolation, which took 3 weeks and they said the problem was the Ryzen 5 3600 failed and it would be $180 to fix. He added that although he just bought everything last summer, (from MC) he didn’t buy the warranty so that’s something he’d have to handle himself through AMD.
Noting how many of those chips have been diagnosed as “bad” plus the one I mentioned, I’m beginning to think AMD may have a dependability issue starting to emerge.
EDIT: MC scared the kid by saying the new CPU would require a new OS and it would wipe everything on the drive. When the kid asked about saving his games and the cost of the next CPU upgrade. The tech said the ($129.99) Ryzen 5 5600 was actually just $20.01 more than the ($109.98) Ryzen 5 3600 and mentioned flashing the MB.
So with another $150 to save his data, the price approached $500.
I suggested that since his OS was on a cheap $20 120GB SSD that he should just put in a higher capacity & faster NVMe for the OS and the old SSD wouldn't have to be touched.
Plus he already had the activation key from the previous OS installation.
Next thing I know, the tech installed the ($49.99) Inland QN322 1TB NVMe and ended up costing “$200 something.” (his words)
After many Intel builds since 2000 this was my first AMD, Three years of happiness, now? I've spent more than a month plus a good sum trying to fix it, this is the problem I'm having.
Thank you
Would love to see a further video with a deeper dive somehow, or if AMD gets back to you with an update.
And I love how you said at the start about learning from mistakes, that is one of the best ways, especially showing it off to us viewers.
For the first two, it could be a problem with the memory controller rather than the individual channels. Perhaps use a basic single rank module at 2400mhz or a "non-OC" speed, something of a long shot but it's worth a shot.
As for the 5900X, those chips run extremely hot. Mine for instance ran at 80c idle on a really beefy air cooler. It currently has an aggressive under-volt using PBO2. (-30 PB02 voltage curve all cores plus a -0.045v core voltage offset plus a +200mhz max boost. Max 130w TDP limit) Runs rock solid although the under volt took some time to dial in. The other problem is the PBO2 defaults to pushing them until a thermal or electrical limit, meaning the chips are working themselves to death right out of the box. Mine throttled instantly before I tweaked it's behaviour. You'll find the owners of those chips didn't under volt the chips to a tolerable level and the default behavior caused the chips to die.
Hi Greg, I have had two AMD 2700x cpu's with "B" channel memory controller's faulty. Still being used with 16Gb in "A" channel only. One died and replaced by AMD only for the "B" channel to fail again. Thought it was memory stick's at first as 4 sticks of Corsair 32Gb 3200 installed, only 16Gb usable on two M/B's, a MSi tomahawk and a crosshair VI hero. Love the channel.
Mike (retired PC tec)
Greg , disabling bost overdrive on bios and put it on eco mode could do the trick on the 1st cpu that posted.
I find it interesting the number of memory issues. Just replaced my 2700 X as the memory controller is depredating. It stopped being able to run the memory on XMP, so I had to drop the voltages and speeds down a few months ago(6) and it was stable until yesterday when the problem made a return. However, I believe a bad bios was to blame in my case as I found that the XMP had gone 1.45 V on Auto which was fixed with a bios update.
Maybe contact Steve from gamer nexus. This sort of situation might be down his alley. Especially if it shows to be a batch wide situation There could be hundreds of Ryzen 3000 chips on the verge of going bad and could open exactly why they could be turning. Might turn into an interesting collab.
I have a r7 1700 that can't idle. It works perfectly with a fixed voltage or positive voltage offset but stock if I let het system idle then it will just reset the system as soon as the voltage drops. Tested it in two different boards exactly same behaviour.
Really like your video's very informative!
I had a boot looping 7700K and was behaving like a bad overclock even though it was on stock settings. So I increased the voltage and lowered the clock speed. It then worked without crashing and after a couple of weeks set back to stock and it worked perfect.
I definitely think you should try to do a part 2 by maybe deliding the 3900x and adding liquid metal to cool it better. (Which could end up being a waste of time, but it would be a unique vid)
Also you can try to tune the 5900X's voltage to higher levels and see what you can get away with.
When doing these sort of diagnostics, CPUs have a system called by various names "CPU Internal Error" "CPU IErr," or "CPU Machine Check".
This system is basically in charge of double checking results, e.g. that the CPU didn't do 1 + 1 = 3.
When such error is detected, the CPU will (try to) tell the OS and the OS will log the error and reboot itself (sounds familiar?).
This may require a few tries because sometimes the error is so bad the OS doesn't get the chance to do any of this and the system just hangs or reboots.
In the case of Windows, you'll find this in the Windows Registry Log (kinda hard to reach when you can't boot). In Linux, you should see it right on the boot terminal on screen right before reboot.
This is very useful because it may indicate further info as to what is failing; and you may find workarounds online if others are having the same issue.
I suspect the 5900X was having Machine Checks, and the 3900 from 9:55 may possibly too.
Trying to boot into Linux may also yield more info (particularly if it gets stuck in a specific place)
At 16:37 debug light cycles just as Greg pushed on the memory stick...coincidence? :P
I’ve had about seven Ryzen CPUs from all the generations so far. I had an issue with a used 3600 that I picked up recently. It would blue screen randomly. Temps were really good. I was on the newest bios, used several ram sets that were on the recommended list (memtest also), two different known good PSUs, fresh windows installs, cleared cmos, and new battery. I also made sure to have pbo and xmp off. Cinebench and 3dmark were totally fine, but it almost instacrashed on occt cpu and power test (cpu physical core #4 errors). I could get it to test for a while before getting errors with a +100 vcore offset. I didn’t try to lower the clocks before getting super frustrated and just putting in a new 4500. Everything was totally fine and stable with the new cpu. I’m totally at a loss 🤷🏻♂️
G'day Greg,
This was really interesting, just a couple of thoughts for some more testing,
Do you have another 5900X to get some BIOS 'Full Auto' Setting Stats running GB to compare Score, Temps, Core Voltage & so on, it would be interesting to see how this 5900X performs if you increase the Multiplier to see where it fails at 1.1v, also see if it boots with Volts - Auto at 3GHz & some other testing of this type, 🤔Maybe it could be a Live Sream ???
About dram issue, try pressing cpu a bit harder to the mount. I saw ONE cpu where mount pressure needed to work consistently was a bit unreasonable. Maybe that was not one time wired chip.
Just FYI try different slots for gpu and drive, sometimes you have just tiny part of the cpu shorted, and for example m.2 slots are unusable, but otherwise cpu works. Disable that part in bios, and you have yourself working, although crippled a bit cpu.
It's not wired that same skews have same issues, it's likely that same type of machine made same mistake. Likely there is some kind of trace that is just a touch too small, and if combined with some other issue, maybe mount pressure too weak or something, just fries.
Weak mount I find is starting point to this kind of issues, where cpu kinda works, but use while using very specific thing like avx512, it turns off or freezes.
For Dram, try LP modules. I have no idea if they would work, but it would be interesting to find out.
interesting on the first cpu tested, i also had that same exact issue on my R5 2600X on a B450 Aorus Pro. The error lights on the mobo would be solid dram with a flash of cpu sometimes.
The thing is that my computer would actually boot after i let it blink the error for a while (sometimes a few minutes, sometimes like 10mins. other times it wouldn't boot for a long while so i would turn the psu off and on and it would hopefully boot soon later, also i would reset cmos sometimes if it doesn't want to boot for a good while and resetting psu didn't help. also i don't remember if this did anything but i recall sometimes flipping the psu switch off and back on really quickly as a potential fix)
I upgraded to a R5 5600 not long ago and it wouldn't really do it anymore.
Not sure if it was an issue with the CPU, or maybe an incompatibility with something in the Bios? potentially also memory, when the pc would boot after doing this (this error thing would only really happen on 1 in 6 boots or after the Psu was turned off and on) the memory xmp profile would be off and going into bios it would say it was reset to default settings.
edit - specs -
initially -
R5 2600X
RX 580
2x8GB 3200 ripjaws V noir CL16
B450 Aorus Pro
(bios was up to date although sometimes got reset to a lower version when the error occurred)
Later upgrades, in order -
5700 XT,
still had issue
2x8GB 3200 Corsair Vengeance CL16,
still had issue. ran both in configs 16GB corsair and later 32GB mix.
R5 5600,
'fixed' issue of this error recurring for no reason, though it would usually still do it on first boot after the psu was turned off.
🤷♀️
I've had a friends 1600AF restart after a short while in windows, basically when its loading apps. Ended up lowering the voltage to something like 1.15ish and the frequency by a few hundred MHz and he ran it like that for a couple of months before upgrading.
That CPU was part of a pre-built that had a warranty on the whole system, not by component (around here its not uncommon for a pre-built with off-the-shelf parts to have individual warranties) AND IT HAD A WARRANTY STICKERS ON THE CASE SIDE PANELS. My friend broke them since he isnt an animal and wouldn't keep his PC uncleaned for two years and because of that they denied warranty... I wasn't a fan of the company before and frankly their prices are far from great, but needles to say I don't even open their site anymore.
Just a thought. With multiple generations of Ryzen CPUs and a b550 board. Often the qvl list varies between each Ryzen generation when it comes to supported ram on an individual motherboard. Ram could be a factor too.
The stubborn one is particularly interesting, obviously there's a clock speed for every chip that it simply won't exceed, the silicon lottery, sometimes chips are particularly sensitive about voltage at a given clock. You went the downclock and undervolt route, but I wonder if you couldn't push up the voltage to run at stock clocks. Overheating is one explanation, but it's equally possible it's the silicon itself that is defective and not the heat spreader application, heck it could be 1 core in the cluster of 12 that's not behaving nicely. If it's a die problem and it runs undervolted that makes it actually a decent chip, just not for an application that needs the full clock or potentially core count. Taken individually anyway it would stomp on the E5-2670v3s in my home server that does plex and game hosting. The one with a single dead memory channel also has some potential for re-use still as a gaming CPU even just with the understanding there's gonna be diminished performance, the application I'd probably use it for though if it were mine is in an openWRT router build for multigig networking after pulling the clocks down for efficiency.
The 5900x is a lot like a 9900k I had once. If you overvolt the snot out of it (1.45V Vcore or something) it’ll go into windows and work fine for a while, then it will degrade and eventually require more voltage or lower clocks. It eventually got to the point on the 9900k for me where I was down to disabling 4 of its 8 cores, and locking clocks at 4.0GHz at 1.4V. I just trashed it at that point.
Chiplets are one of the ways from now on to increase performance, but when first announced, I wondered about how long term reliable the early specimens would turn out to be. Interconnection issues because of thermal expansion and contraction seemed like a real possibility, especially when overclocking your CPU. Remember a few years back when there lots of Nvidia GPUs failing because of interconnect failures inside the chip between the silicon die and it's connections inside the chip package itself? Some folks were blaming the solder connections between the BGA pads on the bottom of the chip carrier and the circuit boards but that turned out not to be the case. I'm not sure that I would really overclock a chiplet based CPU, and would certainly get a better cooler than the one that came with it in the box.
I guess we'll get a bunch of data before long with the Apple M series System In a Package which are basically micro system boards stuffed with various chiplets.
Greg, I envy your access to hardware, but I don't envy how much thermal paste you must go through in a week. I'd love to know what brand you use though.
Where did you get that motherboard speaker from? I’ve tried those super tiny ones in the past, but they exude the shrillest, most unpleasant beep. This one was much better!
I built a new AM5 system with an 7950X in November. A couple of weeks ago it wouldn't wake from sleep so after a power cycle, got the DRAM debug light (ASUS Tuf B650 plus). I couldn't believe that two sticks of corsair vengeance had both failed at the same time. After testing the memory (single sticks in all slots - 8 tests) then RMA'ing the motherboard and CPU; turns out the CPU had died. CPU always ran cool as I was running it on a 120w envelope rather than 170w, with an AIO cooler. Never had a CPU fail in 40 years until now.
Delid the ones with temp issues, and also add the app "core temp" to the system tray and have it boot with windows, that gives instant temp and freq values as u are getting started up
The labeling of the cpu as "bad" reminded me of a system one of my clients asked me to diagnose and the only information I had to go on was the label which read "doesn't".
That suborn one you could probably try deluding it and clean it up and relate it to see if that fixes it
It'd be interesting to de-lid these and see what's going on inside, maybe see a burned out memory chip, or see that the thermal compound inside was not properly applied.
I had a 4790k a few years ago that would bootloop for a random amount of time (minutes to hours) but when it actually got to the desktop it would work fine. And it would wake from sleep fine too. And I could game on it, and stress test it, no problem.
@12:35 hahah this happened to my first Ryzen 9 5950x after trying out the dynamic oc feature on the Asus Dark Hero x570 it kept cycling between this and corrupted boot device.
try disabling one of the cores or try baking them in the oven 150c for 30 min. the oven method has worked many times for me and some of the pc tech still works fine after 2 years. oh, and Greg u love being right, dont u;) pz
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good video, my only concern was when you put thbe second cpu on the board and had the same issue, I wondered if the previous cpu might have damaged the mother board. you should have off camera,put a known good cpu in and made sure the mother board and stuff was still good.
? The exact same board was used for all tests and worked perfectly fine for other chips AFTER the first damaged one was tested.
Maybe you should write the episode number on chips you mark as bad to make it easier to find what initially led you to decide the chip (or any other component) was bad.
The one that you wrote "overheats" on might be a thermal expansion issue where either a trace on the substrate or bad solder joint(s) become disconnected as the chip heats up.
Techyescity tested few ryzen 3000 series cpu's and what he noticed that they are running pretty hot. He came to conclusion that running those "older" cpu's with modern graphics cards makes them run a bit too hot, which will shorten their lifecycle. Like the modern gpu asks too much from cpu. He was able to bring cpu temps down with undervolting
TechYesCity also had this overheating issue with ryzen 3600s. You can also try disabling cpu cores if undervolting doesn't work and see if it works.
That seems like a lot of fail rate but since they were from send in units vs randoms. Only thing i'd suggest is trying them on a different MB had some issues with one of my amd cpu builds using a b550 that went away when I used a better board. The b550 seemed like it was trying to force the cpu to work via bios updates vs actually being able to support the chip haven't had a problem since I changed the MB.
IIRC The 3600's have a max listed compatibility on XMP of 3200. I ran into a Ryzen 2700x that is listed as 2933 and it, more or less, meant it! I managed to get it set at 3000 and stable 99% of the time. I've learned to leave everything at "Auto" while testing, then once it's a fix or replace, I start playing with settings. The issue with the 2700x didn't start until they "upgraded" the DRAM to a faster, RGB type. The "upgrade" worked fine in my RIG and a test rig but I'm running 5000 series AMD and Gen 11 Intel. Just a thought.
Understand that tis video is 11 months old as my eyes see it so you may, or may not, have already thought of this, retested or got answers from AMD about these CPU's.
Nice work. But heck you need to document what is wrong with these things.... just a post it note with each one...
I always learn so much more from making a mistake then I ever would from getting it right every time.
I loveeee buying "dead" bent or broken ryzen cpus, and now they power all my rigs
It makes sense that the IMC in AMD chips fail more than non K intel chips. The more freedom you give users the more variety you need to support ram wise. Running outside of its preferred settings with higher clocks and tighter timings is higher risk.
Similar to turning up the boost on turbo cars. It puts pressure on other parts: clutch, fuel system etc.