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- The Scottish government is to set out its plans for a second independence referendum in a draft bill at Holyrood. But where does Westminster stand and can Boris Johnson really keep saying no to Nicola Sturgeon? Subscribe to our channel here: goo.gl/31Q53F
At the start of September Scotland’s First Minister Nicola Sturgeon made her demands for another independence referendum crystal clear - based on the SNP’s expected success at the Scottish elections next May.
So far Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s strategy has been to say the one word Sturgeon will not accept: No.
But if the SNP storm the polls - can the man who boasts of respecting the will of the people really ignore what’s happening north of the border?
But what is the current strategy on both sides?
Political Editor Nick Watt reports.
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I'm glad they named it Indyref first time round, Sexit would've just sounded a bit wrong.
Yeah, Scotlands brightest Dour Dullards must have worked forever on that. It really makes the likes of Sturgeon look cool, and down with the kids.
@@phily8093 no one thinks the snp or Derek Mackay are cool wiv kids, there dangerous they would have they kids of you if they could find an excuse. Mark my words.
Gavin Mcinally you know Derek mackay left the SNP
@@Zakian the dirty shirt lifter was getting lined up for first minister. Bet he's still getting paid.
Gavin Mcinally of course he’s getting paid, he’s an independent MSP. But he is no longer affiliated with the SNP, and hasn’t been since he sent the dodgy text messages.
You have to hand it to the interviewer. She had no detectable bias whatsoever. How often do you ever see that? Brilliant.
the next andrew neil
Good luck to our Scottish brothers and sisters from Germany. 💪🏻 Would love to welcome you back to the European family 🇪🇺🇩🇪🏴
@@feydespiel. You don't need to "offer" something to get accepted to the Eu. You just have too meet the requirements. Once it meets these they can join. And no EU country would veto Scotland. Where did you get that from? People like Donald Tusk already said they would be delighted to welcome Scotland back. If former soviet states like Estonia, Lativa and Lithuania can join, Scotland will of course do too.
@@feydespiel. They don't have anything to offer? Scotland has a diverse and pretty decent economy, a better economy than Hungary, Slovakia, Luxembourg, Bulgaria, Croatia, Slovenia, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Cyprus, Malta, all of these are EU Members, also Serbia, Albania, North Macedonia, Montenegro are EU Candidates, all 4 have smaller and less relevant Economies than Scotland.
And frankly, it's not all about the Economy or money anyway, the EU is more than just a Economic Organisation.
@@LegendNinja41
If you ignore the Westminster fudged figures Scotland is the only nation in the UK that actually added up and has the opportunity to feasibility add up in the near term.
Both in a carbon based and in a renewables sense.
Then there's the Whisky the expanse of well stocked fisheries and most importantly our people.
@@feydespiel. nothing to offer my hairy arse ya wee dobber. the UK is over and you know it. we keep finding new oil fields all the time, not to mention. wind farms, huge tourist industry, fishing, whiskey, machinery.... oh no we are too wee to fend for ourselves.. england needs us more than we need them! thats the truth. look at the polls, independence is right up. cya later bawjaws
@@central_scrutinizer there bluffing there just shiting it big time for those who vote no send them to that country south of our paradise 👍⬜
That was before Boris and brexit. I've changed my mind now and I'd be out of Britain in a flash.
Shows how intelligent you are the only way u can leave Britain is if u move, Britain is the island not the union stupid people as dumb as you shouldn’t even be allowed to vote lmao
Brexit is bad, leaving the UK would be even more complicated and economically disasterous - idk why anyone would want that.
Adolf sturgeons dictatorship handling of this pandemic has swayed many people to vote against her, not only that she still hasn't addressed the concerns of the Scottish people since the last referendum, its nothing but a fairytale, we want a credible plan A,B, C that can answer issues such as currency, trade, borders, immigration, military ect.. that are all tied to the uk, all I hear is blaming Westminster and that's not a solution, it's a tactic to distance themselves of blame and create division.
@Adam Fraser here Adam am no so smart either but Britain steems fae britannia which stems fae the romans 400bc I don't remember the romans conquering us. But I remember a tory government that fucked is in 1955 - present day
Funny most of the Scott's in England like Boris I've the witch sturgeon....yes I'm for independence but at the moment no chance me voting on anything that help her,she is so much like alex salmond but she's doing it to all Scott's
Free Scotland!
More Scots voted for Brexit than voted for the SNP.... Scotland is now free
tamastag if you want to go, get the votes and go. Just remember tho once your gone and the eu turns nasty on you, you ain't coming back. Best wishes, good luck
@@Truth_Seeker_UK literally just completely false
I'm a Singaporean who lives and works in Scotland. When Singapore declared independence from Malaysia back in the 60s, everyone said we were a tiny country which couldn't make it on our own.. but independence lit a fire of national pride and our leaders were determined to prove critics wrong. Today our GDP is higher than the whole of Malaysia's. I believe that the Scottish people can repeat the same feat - people here are capable, determined and hardworking. Scottish interests can only truly be put first when the sovereignty of Scotland lies in the hands of Scots.
I think you have spoken out well.
Thanks
wise words!!! Respect
But Scotland isn’t Singapore it spends 15 billion a year more than it earns its biggest market is right next door in England 🏴 it has no easy root to Europe apart from drive through England also the Scots wee given their choice of independence only 6 years ago and overwhelmingly chose to stay part of the U.K. so I suggest you mind your own business and if things were so great in Singapore why are you in Scotland????
@USERZ123 11% is not a slight margin you would have to get a swing of 6% no chance of that happening. No referendum anyway so nothing to worry about
The Scottish Conservative Party leader is being disingenuous. The people voted to stay in the UK because UK was part of the EU, now that it isn't, don't you think people won't change their minds?
wroooooooooong
@@stacka1116 care to back that with facts?
Its what Cameron promised them. "You have to vote no to protect your EU citizenship" So alot of EU residents did just that.....and now families are getting broken up. Do Westminster care. Not a jot.
@@stacka1116 full of shit. scotland was lied to.. and so were oor old... tories-----if u wanna stay in EU u need to keep the union also oor old were threatened with their pensions that they spent years paying into. now their has been a change which was undemocratic towards scotland and people are sick of not being listened to indyref2 is asked for by the majority of scots so we should get it. MY QUESTION IS whi does the uk want to keep scotland so desperatley
No because your assuming on the very day Scotland leaves the UK it would be granted as an EU member. Joining the EU takes years, 5-7, say 5 at the shortest. So Scotland would leave the UK, wouldn’t yet be a member of the EU, so it would be in some lala land, not in the UK but not in the EU either. Forget about using the £, good luck with the Euro. What about defense? How would Scotland finance its share of the national debt? North Sea oil is ever decreasing so Scotland wouldn’t be able to afford free prescription charges, social care, and university tuition. What are they going to put 15p on income tax rate and up VAT by 5%. Good luck with that.
At least give Brexit a chance to see how the Scottish people feel about it. It seems to me that Scotland being independent and the UK being out of the EU are two separate issues that should not be muddled in a vote. There is a lot more to Scotland leaving the UK than Scotland being able to join the EU. Should Scotland become independent and join the EU, the current resentment will just transfer to being against the EU. What will the SNP do then?
As a Scot, I voted to stay in the Union because I wanted to stay in EU. But because of Brexit and the will of the Scottish people being overruled time and time and time again by right-wing English voters, I am reconsidering my position. I would probably vote for independence. Personally, I would be sad to see the Union break up but there comes a point where you can only take so much incompetence and mismanagement.
I have never thought of myself as British only ever as Scottish, I have no emotional hold on another country and yes I have family in England. This is not about emotion it just makes sense.
No one will make better decisions for Scotland but Scotland.
The economy in England under conservatives will go as low as those non-EU Eastern European countries where corruption at the top is just flourishing and deals are handed to friends, family and business interests. It's already happening in Westminster, so we're on a high way to hell... :(
Sofia what a load of crap
@@vtechead1 whats crap in your view? That the tories are not selling out the country piece by piece to their friends or sponsors? That th economy will get a hit and people will be poorer? That our tax is spent as there's a money tree and they'll never end on projects without any success? I see England going as low as non-eu East European countries. There are all chances and perhaps the English will be the immigrants that locals hate/do not want around. Pay closer attention to what is actually happening at no 10
Incompetence and mismanagement seems to be a trait of the SNP but nobody wants to admit it. Worst economy in Europe just now ( pre covid ) and going to get a whole lot worse. Failures in every department and targets not met. A perfect case of pot, kettle and black arse there eh 😷👍
Completely logical. The only reason Scotland stayed in the UK was the thread of losing EU's membership. All that and now England is pushing them to the cliff. Go free Scotland! Good luck, you know that you have plenty of friends in the EU, including Spain. Scotland, as a historic sovereign kingdom, has legal grounds to seek independence. This cannot be said about Catalonia, which historically was only a part of a sovereign kingdom, not sovereign itself, so Spain will not veto Scotland's future application.
The UK had a nationwide vote on staying in or leaving Europe. The result was more people voted to leave than stay. Whether a lot of people in Scotland voted to stay or not means nothing. They should stop bleating like wounded sheep and accept the result.
@@vtechead1 Aye, and thus the treaty of equals was seen to be anything but equal as the results in the two nations that signed the treaty as equals voted very differently. Levels of population difference between the two nations that signed the treaty of union shouldn't even come into the equation. One of them voted on way and the other voted the other way.
Brexit was nothing more than the harbinger for the end of the union.
Fuzzle if you have a local election and one area is well off while the other area may be classed as deprived, it doesnt mean a thing regarding the outcome of a vote. Everybody gets a vote, if one area shows preference for a party over another, so what ? That’s why we have a vote in the first place. The party who gets the most votes wins. Population figures have nothing to do with the outcome, all votes were counted as one big vote, either yes or no. If there is ever an indie vote and the borders vote mostly against it while up north votes mostly for it and wins. Do the folk in the borders have a case for another vote because they didn’t get the result they wanted ?. Its just sour grapes by the SNP because they didn’t win. A votes a vote and you have to deal with the result. Whether you like it or not. Stop bleating and get on with sorting the country out should be the priority. 😷👍
That's not true at all. Castille and Aragon merged to form Spain. I don't think Spain would give a flying fuck whether or not Scotland was historically a sovereign country or not. If they accept Scotland's application, then it would encourage ETA in the Basque country AND it would motivate Jx Cat in Catalonia AND it would encourage Galician Nationalists. Spain has too much to lose by accepting a small nation into the EU.
@@cricketman1322 Not at all... Spain, just as other nations, respects History, REAL History, that is the difference. Franco was suffered by the whole of Spain, and Madrid took some of the worst, because it was a red stronghold. In the meanwhile, you can still find videos of people in Barcelona crying of happiness whilst welcoming Franco when he "liberated" Barcelona. Compare that with their lies after they got full competence in Education, because Spain is so terrible that actually gave its autonomic parts competence in many essential powers, bad bad Spain. Scotland was a sovereign country that signed an Act of Union with another sovereign country. We are not talking of parts of those sovereign countries, but the countries themselves. Every part of Spain has been legally united for over 500 years, with all parts joined in 2 main sovereign kingdoms before that. Valencia was a kingdom later integrated in the kingdom of Aragon, but Catalonia was never a sovereign kingdom, just a County then a Principality. Also, talking in modern times, there is not only a recognition but also a constitutional duty of protection to all Spanish languages since 1978, Catalan one of them. Compare that with France, which considers any language other than French as a danger to its unity and actively works against other languages, or even the English attacks against other British languages, just as recent in History. I think that many countries should really look at their own History, supposing they actually haven't been covering it up, before they call on others.
In an independent Scotland the Scottish people would be governed by the government that they vote for and not be governed by the government that another country voted for.
Remember vote no to stay in the EU? So many lies to keep Scotland in the Uk.
It wasn’t lies. The result of the vote didn’t go the way everybody thought. When any party campaigns for votes they can tell you what might happen if they win. If they don’t win, what they said might happen, doesn’t. Simples. A lot of people just cannot hack losing a vote.
Walrave - all the major parties, Tories, Labour, Lib Dem’s all campaigned for vote remain. What was lies? It was the general public that voted to leave, not Westminster.
Graeme Roberts - Brexit might make Scottish independence less likely as it means a trade barrier with the rest of the U.K. with hard border and customs border with the rest of the U.K., - Scotland does 60 percent of its trade with the U.K., and only 14 to 19 percent of trade with the E.U., Brexit gives Scotland back its fishing waters but Scotland rejoining the EU means sharing those fishing waters with all EU member states. So the Scottish business community will turn against Scottish Indy, as will Scottish fishermen and even the general public when they see the hard reality.
M S - Margaret Thatcher is dead as are most of the politicians who were in power then. Time to move on. The price of oil has fallen dramatically, by over half since 2014, so Scottish independence is a bad idea now.
So if the UK hadn't voted to Leave the SNP wouldn't still be wanting independence from London but submission to Brussels and Berlin?
If Scotland was a burden to England, why are they trying so hard to keep the Union? If Scotland was being subsidised by England, why would it was to break away from all financial support? It's obvious that it is in their best interest to extract whatever they can out of Scotland whatever that may be and Scotland knows it can do better and not just financially.
Why is England so afraid of another referendum? Don't they trust the people to choose what is right for them?
This is democracy, the vote of the people is what matters, and by not letting them vote you are silencing them.
Why did Nicola Sturgeon say the 2014 vote was "once in a lifetime". Alex Salmond said " once in a generation". Boris Johnson can simply say fair enough and say no. Salmond and Sturgeon should have not made these statements. Furthermore, Westminster can refuse indyref 2 for the rest of time and nothing can be done. The Scottish vote is a request and can never be an order. Now, if you want to do a kangaroo vote like the Catalan separatists go ahead and see where that gets you.
@Janet Porras Thank you!
I can't wait, imagine what Scotland will feel like when we close the borders and start charging you taxes to ship goods across it. Not to mention you can't afford to pay for your own existence.
@Graeme Roberts Well Salmond is incorrect. Constitutional matters are reserved to Westminster and they decide whether an indyref can happen or not. Furthermore, they consider the 2014 vote as a once in a generation vote unlike the SNP. Are we going to be having votes on independence every 10 years simply because there is an SNP majority at Holyrood? I don't know why Ruth Davidson changed her mind. I doubt the world will give a damn if London refuses indyref2 next year. The world didn't care when Spain refused the catalans an indyref. If the refusal results in an increase in support for indy then Westminster will be less likely to grant an indyref in the future!
Well after listening to the SNP the black muslim Scots once they get rid of all you whites can have a referendum. SNP hate you little people. You little white working men.
For a country (England) being so desperate for its freedom from a union it sure is hell making a lot of noise about keeping Scotland in a union. These Brexiteers are a confused lot.
@@benjones5610 I know I will be going for Scottish independence. England needs to go and have a word with itself at the moment I'm afraid. The right wing has been engaged and you're acting like nazis. Most countries have right wing politicians and 1 or 2 from each country get elected to go to Brussels. England sent 40 last time. Its fucking ridiculous, England at this moment in time needs to fall on their arse, it'll do the country good. Just now a majority of you think you're something that you're not. Just look at America and EU backing Ireland up with the good Friday agreement!! Who's on Britain's side? Fucking no one. England want this not Scotland, NI or Wales because when you look at voting it was the retired English in Wales that pushed them to a Brexit voting nation. I know where I stand, with Europe. The English are turning into nazis at the moment and I for one will be voting to get away from it. Going by polls more Scots feel this way also. I think people have mixed Brexit up with English independence. English nationalists pushed the Brexit vote through. That shit isn't going to fly in Scotland. The country is now poorer and lonelier. Its good though, everyone needs humbled at some point. In fact I'm happy I might witness this in my lifetime. Have a good day fella.
@@garrymcteague5820 🍻👍🏴#2inevitable m8
you are right about 🏴 eating humble pie and falling on their fucking arses🤭
Cant wait to see the English riot against their own government...if there is any covid survivors that is
my🍿Is ready m8
Unionist Brit here but becoming very sympathetic to Indyref2. The tories have destroyed so much good will and brexit will be a disaster.
The EU wants to be a United States of Europe, it doesn't want any independent countries as members.
@Graeme Roberts czcams.com/video/bxMmEZDfLQ0/video.html
I’m a Scottish Nationalist and so many people like yourself have been coming on to the idea. The idea of blind unionism can no longer hold water as the union is financially damaging to people and has now revoked the personal opportunities that being in the EU offers. If you would like some further reading I suggest you read Scotland the brief. It details and explains the unique position we would be in as an independent nation in regards to our businesses and opportunities.
@@grdn2607
Scotland does most of its bus with the rUK. Scottish deficit 8.6% including a geographical share of oil money v UK deficit 2.5%. Enjoy the tax rises and or austerity. Capital flight and population moving to England.
Jonathan Burns that is proven to be a myth. You cannot judge the economy of a non independent nation without full borrowing powers. All loans, credit cards, car payments and other financial products paid by someone living in Scotland is taxed as a “U.K. asset”. All products that are sold within Scotland are taxed VAT which is not included in our figures. I’m really sick of the scaremongering from unionists when our economy is perfectly feasible and will thrive. Look at Ireland, a similar nation to ours with a similar economy. They lead by example and we should follow.
Why hold onto Scotland so badly. It's very suspicious, let them go independent if that's what they want for their country
Like yourself, most UK citizens are not worried about Scotland exiting the union. It is Westminster that is horrified by the prospect - they crave the control.
But “they” don’t want to go, only some inward looking xenophobes who shirk with horror at the thought of the Orkneys & Shetlands not wanting to be part of an independent Scotland.
@@Si1234321 The "inward looking xenophobes" in Scotland might just be in the majority - that's the way it turned out in the UK during the EU referendum.
@@Si1234321
I'm in Orkney and I want to be part of both Scotland my country and the EU my union.
@@saddoncarrs6963 That's what i mean, why so horrified by the prospect as you say? At the end of the day it isn't Westminster's decision to make. Scotland is being held hostage by a government full of sociopaths and elitist criminals. The scaremongering and propaganda during the first referendum was horrendous. Put it to a vote and keep it a fair campaign without all the dirty bias news/media or the result regardless of how it goes will always be questioned.
What you do now you do for your children and grandchildren. When you vote for independence do not think about yourself think instead of you future children
we think for the country
@@evawoods4948 well think of the children of the future
@@musicman5678 I'm 11
@@evawoods4948 aw you have your whole future ahead of you Eve i wish you the very best in life and hope you have a wonderful life 😀😀
@@evawoods4948 Well just so you know. The tories are reptiles.
Lol Jamie Greene no a single coherent answer
wat about the one where scotland is in debt
Aye, saying they don't want to campaign on constitutional matters when the Scottish Tories ran the last Holyrood, the GE and the council elections on.... independence and how they don't like it.
@@rivak98 I would say........check facts they are your friend. How can Scotland have debt...........IF BY LAW THEY MUST BALANCE THEIR BOOKS.
@@rivak98 how can we have debt if we don't have borrowing powers? Fucking spacer🤦♂️
🏴🤞 Is coming😂😂😂
Please don't dissolve the Union and there's consequences.... this from the people that brought us the leave EU and forget the consequences.
Rather ironic for the Tories to insist on Scotland knowing what the terms or consequences of leaving would be before allowing them to vote...
Well they do have Majority power, so if the Tories tell the SNP to jump they have to say how high lol
No it’s not. The Conservatives largely backed remaining in the EU during the referendum.
@@noodlyappendage6729 Not the current cabinet.
Well the cabinet have to go with what the UK voted doesn’t it.. 🤦♂️
@@noodlyappendage6729 They don't give a toss about the people. The people did not vote for a no deal Brexit.
I like how Greene and the piece kept referring to 2014 being "once in a generation" and wanting SNP to respect that! But what happened to the promises the Tories made that aren't being delivered or respected?
In 2014, they told us "The only way to remain part of the EU is to remain part of the UK", the vast number of those who voted No back then did so on that argument. Then in 2016, The EU Referendum, Scotland voted a majority to Remain, but as England voted to leave, we all have to leave.
Despite Scotland offering alternatives, deal suggestions and other suggestions to help it work, these where ignored and now the EU has stopped further negotiations and Westminster's blind arrogance is sending us to a catastrophic NO-DEAL BREXIT. But it's OK because we'll get Chlorinated Chicken from the US and in return we'll sell them the NHS
Similar in 2014, right up to the week before the referendum, YES was winning in the opinion polls and this terrified the NO camp, so at the proverbial 11th hour, they started talking about more powers, and this so called 3rd option being the best of both worlds - more control and more decision making, but with a safety net. A large number of those who voted No back then did so on that argument. Now 8 years later, those extra powers aren't worth a damn, the ones we need aren't being given and the ones we had are being taken off us!
Strange as i recall another false promise plastered on the side of a big red bus, Using the same play back to back is going to get you caught out on the field, and it has - we're on to you!
These were the two biggest deciders, Added to the fear and lies told by the No campaign, that got the result the No Campaign wanted in 2014. You fooled us once then, but your biggest mistake was using the same tactics 2 years later. Again, lies and false promises got you the answer you wanted and now that's done, it doesn't matter. Well be warned because Scotland is on to you this time, We will ignore your Lies and False Promises, Even if they are on the side of a saltire'd painted bus this time. We will ignore your Fear Mongering because if the unknown and uncertainty is good enough for Brexit, its good enough for IndyRef2. We have proven when the brown stuff hits the fan, Scotland can handle it better alone than the UK can, and we don't need to change our numbers when they start looking bad.
(Seriously, how can you just disregard 5,000 deaths? It's fine saying Scotland, Wales and NI only count those within 28 days so, so will we, but you forget the weekly NRS report from Scotland. Yes, our daily reported figures are only those within 28 days of a positive test, but the National Records of Scotland post a weekly report of those dying beyond that, Where Covid was a believed cause, or where it was a contributor to another underlying issue. Back in April, it was decided to combine the daily UK Briefing figures with the weekly ONS report to give the complete figure at the UK daily briefing, if you are now only giving daily those within 28 days, then where is the past 3 weeks of the ONS report to give the complete number?)
You want to quash INDYREF2 talk once and for all - RESPECT US!!!!
Listen to what Scotland is telling you, Deliver the EXTRA powers you promised, especially the ones we need right now, and leave the ones the devolved parliament already has alone. Stop giving us pennies for every £ we put in the uk pot and expecting us to be grateful, and if you're not going to give us more, Allow us to borrow what we need! (Or are you scared Scottish Whisky and Oil isn't going to pay for your precious HS2). If not, DON'T STAND IN OUR WAY!!!
A £15 billion Scottish Deficit - Still better than the £300 Billion UK one!
I agree with what you say but there's no E in whisky
We have a defect due to english debt scotland has no debt as no boriowing powers
@RealJustinCrowe This seriously is an interesting perception of the status quo. It's nice to see you have a clear gauge as to the reason why every unionist voter voted in the manner they did. You use sweeping statements such as "vast majority" which are unsupportable and hold no weight. Before we address the contents, I must point out that the same anti-UK rhetoric is utilised -- rather poorly to be truthful -- by almost all vocal Scottish nationalists you see online.
It was nice to see you make reference to the NHS, a fine institution established by a Welsh man under an English prime minister (do you see the irony). You clearly did not look into why 5,000 deaths were wiped, then again I am surprised that you can hear anything over the sound of the independence drum you perpetually bang. 5,000 deaths were removed because of a statistical inaccuracy which enabled non-Covid deaths eight months after infection to be counted as Covid deaths, we were the only country in Europe which was doing it so it only right we bring statistics in line with other countries - besides Spain isn't counting "unconfirmed" cases which occur outside of hospitals.
How does your pennies for pounds argument amount to a £15bn deficit? It should, in fact, be pounds for more pounds. You make reference to Scottish whisky and oil money, it'll be nice to see how the oil money fares with the current price. It won't be a £300bn pound deficit, it will be an extra £15bn per year in surplus money.
On another note, I would stop using divisive terms such as "you", when the inevitable happens and Scotland gains independence, it will need us more than ever for business and I don't think will we be too keen after eight years of victimisation - 60% of Scottish exports go to the rest of the UK (predominantly England).
They hope we have forgotten
@@yournan6546 It isnt "anti UK rhetoric" it is rhetoric directed towards a right of self determination as per the rights of any other nation on this planet.
You thoughts are pointless and irrelevant and based upon your conditioned belief system that the UK is a nation when it is in fact a political and economic construct of four distinct and seperate nations.
Your mindset is given wholly from the perspective of one who talks from the point of the UK being greater England. Well it isn't, and you should pay some attention to the different national identities beyond the ingrained English nationalists mindset that the UK is nothing more than being all about England. As that is the direction you are coming from in any of your words and will be going forwards.
The UK is over, Brexit saw to that.
@@fuzzle9392 Can you cite one part of my statement which presents England in a superior light, or even insults the right to self-determination of other nations? My statement was made to confute a comment making some false claims. I am an advocate for Scottish independence, I too see the Westminster system failing. I am by no stretch an English nationalist, I just want to make that clear. On another note, can you tell what isn't anti-UK about the statement "you fooled us" or "we will ignore your lies", the rhetoric is more divisive than the wall installed in Berlin in 1961.
I voted no in 2014, biggest mistake of my life due to the betrayals of the Westminster parliament.
I will be voting yes next time. The Scottish people will not be disrespected anymore.
Yaaaaaaaassssss.......
Bet you didn’t vote no your lying
If they go independent I might have to move there tbh.
Move now
I'm sure they'll be crying out for people like you
@THe Guinness man Yes, Scotland does welcome people......
No one is stopping you right now. Tell you a strange thing. Most of the English immigrants to Scotland I know all support Scottish independence. and I should know - in 1962 I married one. Unfortunately she died rather young but she left me a couple of half English sons who have always though of themselves as Scots.
I love Scotland. Such welcoming and friendly people. If Scotland becomes independent, we will move there :)
Scotland voted to remain in the EU by 63 % 🏴🏴🏴
@Graeme Roberts Lol you mugs don't even meet the requirements of the EU. They have told Nicola that too many times now.
Wonder why she hasn't told you that:)??
Scotland was only in because of the Union lol...what part of that do you not understand:).
Now that union is leaving the EU January 1st . .an independent Scotland does not meet the requirements nor qualifies for EU membership.
Your Deficit alone and debt that Sturgeon has placed you in sees to that.
And that's just 1 out another 7 reasons Brussels has pointed out to her several times now why you don't qualify nor meet the requirements.
P.S...You assume Sturgeon has any real power...News flash...she doesn't.
She has what Westminster gives her...nothing more, nothing less.
A second referendum is entirely upto the real prime minister, not the lacky, and guess what!! ..Computer says NO!!.
Lol, when will you mugs learn, she's a small woman with no real power, merely playing at power games.
Again, a fact also pionted out and recognised by Brussels:).
And people wonder why she's laughed out of the place lol.
Seems Nicola doesn't tell you quite a lot of things doesn't she:)...It's ok, there's a reason for that.
P.S...she told you she wants a second referendum in 2020!!....well where is it??? Have I missed it???
No..ofcoarse I haven't...because it's not happened,....The real and only power on this island said NO. And that's where it ends.
Nicola lol, she's let the limited power Westminster allow her to have go to hee head, turns up to gun fight armed with a pea shooter lol.
Small little woman playing at power games.
Lol, she doesn't have the power to break up a digestive biscuit never mind a Union lol.
@Graeme Roberts lmfao you Obviosly couldn't understand the video links I sent.
To technical for you lmfao.
You spent your taxes and then continued spending beyond your own income lmfao.
Take a long hard look at the first video that clearly shows that lmfao.
Like I said, She doesn't tell you mugs a lot does she, lol.
Then watch the second lmfao.
Stay delusional lmfao.
She's not Cap in hand for taxes, Scotland doesnt need to come to Westminster for that lol, ...you realy dont know anything about politics do you lol, it's ok, neither does Nicola lmfao. she's begging for Bailouts...AGAIN!!
Don't worry, Midgure says the T- shirts and wrist bangles are in production right now, Bob is asking around for ex pop stars...the concert is on its way lol.
@Graeme Roberts No bud, you once again failed to read the info on the first video lol.
Your own Deficit lmfao.
Nothing to do with the Union...YOUR OWN.Deficit.
Your OWN SPENDING vs YOIR OWN REVENUE.
🤣😂😂😂 Thanks for proving my piont. 👍
Just like Nicola, your done.
It's been to easy, not even had to get out of first gear, not even had to mention the many various reasons why Brussels says NO.
I'm going to leave you alone now as your completely out of your depth here that's obvious, and im starting to feel like I'm just bullying you at this piont...and that's unfair to you.
So adios, you just stay deluded like Nicola.
It's better for you both... reality isn't for everyone.
@Graeme Roberts Lol, you pay a little more tax due to the UK government spending much more on you per person than what they spend on the English per person lol.
How do you think you get free medication and education lol...knowing you you probably think nicola funds it all lol.
Like I said, reality isn't for everyone.
Tara!!.😉
@@maydaygoingdown5602 LOL.... LOL... LOL...
Pls stop doing that.
Go forward Scotland. Liberate yourself from the Tory serpents. Be free and independent!! 🏴🏴🏴 I as a Dutchman would like to welcome our Scottish neighbours, our brothers and sisters, back in the EU and stand together for a better future. Let the English self destruct and live in their Tory world. The Scots are a proud people and have the right to decide their own future.
Dank u wel uit Schotland.
proud Dutchman I certainly do, as do many Scots
proud Dutchman I doubt you very much, so go somewhere else!!!
proud Dutchman Well, Dutchie, you don’t know me. I certainly have the facts and information to come to my opinion, as do many Scots. If you don’t agree, fine, but don’t bother us. Hang around with your fellow anti EU “yellow jackets” somewhere else!! Brexiteers will welcome you. Bye bye 👋
You would have thought Scots Tory leaders couldn`t get any worse than Jackson Carlaw but then along comes Wee Doogie Dross, the wishee washee linesman.
Long live independent Scotland
you'd be on your Scottish arses iff it wasn't for the English tax payer paying your bills for you
Why did tory Jamie accept an invitation to discuss this topic if he thinks it is such a waste of precious time? He accepted the invite to come on and tell us it is a waste of time and in turn has wasted his own time, the time of the other participants in the discussion, the interviewer and the viewers/voters. Classic Conservative logic. His ineptitude weakens his stance.
I agree. Surely it's not beyond his abilities to be able to deal with the day-to-day issues and discuss the (possible) referendum at the same time. Unless he knows the writing is on the wall...!
The man is an idiot...
I have a pity on you saddist scots! Get on your knees now!
because he is supposed to waste time.
Tory's are so full of their own self Importance they think the world revolves around them
Does anyone else think the Conservative Party has accepted overseas money to do a bunch of policies that will cause massive harm to the UK?
As an outsider from Canada watching this all go down, it is incredibly obvious they need to do another referendum. The result of Brexit has completely changed the equation, and any politician that tries to deflect from that fact is lying to their constituents faces. Canada has had 3 referendums in Quebec, and now faces a low but not ignorable chance of an Albertan referendum thanks to failures of the Conservative party to build a nationwide platform and the Liberal party's failure to get conservative Albertans to agree to their compromise deal on oil production (the keystone of Alberta's economy).
Thank you comrade
@RoseRed I'm sure the comment was about England and Scotland should part and that Canada was an example
@RoseRed look I don't represent people and people can make bad decisions I mean after all we have Boris Johnson in the United Kingdom but as I am Scottish and only a teenager one I don't understand the complexity of Canadians and ofcourse I am not Canadian so if you are then you can debate it yourself as I am not Canadian so I cannot say but thank you for your reply
Canada is Canada, What happens over there , is there business. The people of England want their country back. ENGLAND for the English, what the Scots , Welsh, and those other things do over the water, excluding the great people of Ulster of course, who, ethically and culturally are one of us, is none of our business. Let them go their own way. Let England go it's. Let Canada do it's own thing.
@@seanlockhart8065 Conrade? It would seem sir, you have not been keeping up with current events.
Without a doubt we will become independent. The Tories are just acting like that clingy ex we keep trying to get rid of
whithout doubt you wont due to your defecit of 7 percent which wont change for decades
I love my country and we should not live under a dectorship run by the torries
@@ebillyboi taken from the Gers figures, which no credible economist backs. Look deeper into those figures.
@@joemonty5922 there was a democratic vote. You also have devolution if your countrys shit its the SNP fault
@@brettharter143 WOW lmao why?
they do not collect any money from our vast natural resourses or exports of Whisky , oil, ect . The Snp are only allowed to collect Income Taxes they cannot lower it they cannot increase the minimum wage either we are the EUs biggest oil, whisky, fish, Gas, Water , exporters yet do not collect one penny we also have Beef, Lamb ect yet Westminister claims we get more than we give we only send our income taxes all the rest of our wealth is already paid into the English treasury over which we have no say . We are not a poor country, our wealth has been very, poorly managed by unionists, and for decades all others in the UK do their own books ,yet Westministers Mps, block us from doing our own ,why do you think, this is . they wont let us know how much wealth our country really has
That scottish Tory is a fun. you undermined the people of scotland by saying us scots cant have a debate during a pandemic......
Yep, he was embarrassing. And im a No voter.
He came across like a woeful automaton full of phony outrage about daring to talk about something else other than Covid 19 on a politics show.
@@lloydfrancisco5287 thanks and I meant fud not fun lol..... auto correct
@@kellymm7630 Yeah I guessed lol
Really there having one in America Tuesday 29th September so that's BS
@@lloydfrancisco5287 I wish no voters like yourself would just fucking accept the union is laughable, England is on it's last legs, yet you think London can help Scotland while they cant even help the north of England? It's only a matter of time.
If Jamie is so worried about Covid-19, then I imagine that discussions about Brexit will, similarly, by his logic, also be suspended.
To be fair the Scottish tories avoid talking about Brexit because they need to back it but it's also a toxic idea in Scotland.
Indeed yes, tbf she nailed him over the obvious nonsense. If I was tory leader he'd be banned from appearing on anything other than his own coffee mug, after being permitted to do so.
@@lloydfrancisco5287 If you were a tory leader you would be doing exactly what your bosses in London want you to do and say.
@@hiddenknowledge2012 You reckon they wanted to come across that badly?
Ive already told you, if you get independence thats fine, im off to Newcastle. I'll observe the at least 10 years of disaster from afar. You can enjoy it.
@@lloydfrancisco5287Off you go. It's where you belong.
Free Scotland (and Ireland)
Naw
@Gary V Wales voted brexit , and shows no wish to leave the Union
@Gary V Wales is a Unionist and pro brexit country - Provable fact , your points are your opinion
@Gary V Why trust you ? Scotland and Northern Ireland voted remain wales and England did not and 3.8 %does not sound that slim , would you dismiss that margin if it were in favour of Independence?
@Gary V Nope- I don't wish to trust you or take your assurances , give some evidence Wales has 40 MP's at Westminster and only 3 of them are are in favour of Independence , they were elected less than a year ago . What you are saying is what you wish not what is so . And answer the question would a margin of 3.8% by a mandate for Welsh Independence?
The issue with England is Westminster government its baised based on the needs of English first its called the United Kingdom of England .
Personally I believe the union is over , Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland would be better governed by them self's
Lool... sure it will.
They are governed by themselves, they each have there own prime minister and own Parliment.
MayDay GoingDown!! With limited powers not true governance
@@turnbullthegoat1418 Yes limited powers but still decide on the important things such as finances, public services, spending, laws, etc.
MayDay GoingDown!! Well it doesn’t matter because they can’t decide important things for their country because they would get overruled by Westminster anyways so England decides everything.
It is coming, just keep your powder dry, we'll soon be free. It's a YES from me.
Free? From Westminster, then hand it straight back to Brussels, genius.
You voted NO in 2014, so it’s a NO.
@@MrBeirdo13 Thats desperate. I knew Jaimie Greene was going to mention once in a generation, along with the other tired rhetoric. If thats the strongest card unionists have then they are in a feeble position. Repeating it endlessly isnt going to make it any more valid.
@@carraw3501 well if the Scots think that’s it’s their strongest argument to just continue to complain and complain and complain about the results of a vote that they voted for back in 2014, then you’re not in a strong position and neither have a valid argument either! Just stop it, Scotland is embarrassing themselves in not just the UK, but in the whole world!
@@MrBeirdo13 For international embarrassment check out Johnson. If it was known in 2014 that he would be PM now independence would have been a landslide.
I think the Scots should go independent. People won't vote based on economic factors, just like Brexit- ironically. They will vote for a sense of reclaiming identity. If the Scots would feel happier in themselves, knowing who they are and what they're about as an independent country, I fully support them. I, with my laymen's knowledge of economics, struggle to see how they would provide free university tuition, welfare and benefits, free prescriptions and free NHS from the taxes of five million people, but who knows? Maybe identity is worth more. (I'm English, from Newcastle btw).
This help
SINCE 2001, SCOTLAND HAS RAISED OVER £907,000,000,00 IN TAX RECEIPTS FOR THE UK TREASURY.
SINCE 2001 IT HAS GENEROUSLY BEEN DONATED 49.7% BACK, OR £447,000,000,000.
THE UNION HAS “SPENT ON OUR BEHALF” £460,000,000,000.
THINGS LIKE
Scotland is forced to contribute to London projects like:
Crossrail, London - £18 Billion
Olympics, London - £8 Billion
Refurbishment of underground, London - £16 Billion
New airport / 3rd runway, London (god knows how many billion)
New sewage tunnel, London - £16 Billion
Refurbishment St Pancras Station, London - £1 Billion
HS2 Rail Link, London to Birmingham - £50 Billion
Refurbish Parliament - £7 - £14 Billion.
and many more future projects Big Ben renovations etc
IMAGINE IF SCOTLAND SPENT ALL THAT ON THEMSELVES / ON THEIR OWN CHOICES.
@@casperwallace9685 Yeah, sounds good doesn't it? I mean, I have no way of knowing if these numbers are right, and to be honest I don't care. I've said quite clearly I think independence would be a good thing for Scotland, and also a good thing for England. I would love to see indyref2 go through and be the catalyst for a great change in the future of England- which I think it will be. I'm pro independence because I think it will be the best for both. Sorry if this wasn't the argumentative response you were hoping for.
56% and rising
🏴#2inevitable
Once in a generation not 6 years later people that want independence are the same bellend standing waving eu flags
@Graeme Roberts fucking Well said m8.
@@Johno1992 Its an opinion.....its in no official document. Man the media lead you guys around with the nose
@AyeNaeBother 😂 Aye whatever mcboomer.
@Graeme Roberts 😂👍
Navid is more Scottish than this guy🤣🤣🤣
So uk talking about how bad the EU is to try to keep the uk in the EU. but than uk turns around and says no to Scotland for wanting to be independent.... Uk government are hypocrites! One more proof how bad this government actually is
And the SNP are hypocrites for wanting independence from the UK but think the UK is stupid for wanting independence from the EU.
Are Labour in favour? I doubt it.
@@chrisj9700 Your a bit selective with your facts there.
Cameron stated in Scotland you have to vote no to PROTECT your EU citizenship, as did Tory Ruth Davidson, it's all on tape.
So they voted 55% to protect their EU citzenship in 2014, then England knowing that voted out of EU.
Scotland voted 62% to stay in EU...
@@mogznwaz UK is stupid from walking away from its biggest markets........ SNP are wanting Scotlands own self governance.......like what you have.
@@jonsid6628 Labour are only a Branch Office in Scotland
Scotland voted no in 2014 and one of the reasons they did that is because they were told they would be kicked out the eu if we were not in the uk. Now when Scotland votes no to leaving the eu we get dragged out anyway. Nowhere in the Edinburgh agreement does is say that it was a “once in a generation”
But it did say to respect the result.
@@jpw6893 and they did respect that. Scotland is in the UK for as long as the circumstances didn't change. With brexit, they did.
Then again, since the stay side ran on staying in the EU, turning the Scottish independence from the UK into a referendum on independence from the EU, it is clear, that THEY arn't honouring the result.
@@wurgel1 that makes no sense at all
back in the day the UK could've vetoed any Scottish EU application
CAN'T HAPPEN ANYMORE NOW, CAN IT?
@@MisterSpinalzo at that time, there were 2 EU-Members, that would veto a Scottish EU application.
The UK, out of spite. Which can't veto anymore.
And Spain, since it doesn't want to set a precident for an independent Catalonia. With the UK out of the EU, Catalonia can't point to Scottland why working for independence, as long as Spain doesn't leave the EU. (Which Spain doesn't plan to) As such, Spain no longer has a reason to veto.
Im English but really hope Scotland gets independence. Nicola Sturgeon has been such a decisive and strong leader, during covid and steered her people as safely as she possibly could through this difficult time. If Scotland Wins their independence, I'm moving to Scotland!!
Why wait? |We need immigrants. You will be made welcome and, besides, property prices are a lot lower here and you will get all the things that the SNP have done for Scotland since gaining power at Holyrood and think of all that beautiful scenery, fresh air and open spaces. Thing is you will get in before the rush that will follow the idiotically titled Brexit bebins.
You won’t and you know you won’t. And if your post is a truthfull, then you’re another mug that’s been taken in by her false act of caring and compassion during those daily updates. She’s a politician playing politics and taking the Scots for mugs to further her career. Waken up.
Mimi Lion mon up we would love to have you!
Graeme Roberts you can’t help but spout shite. Gives everyone a good laugh at you though. 😷👍
Union Jack is going bye bye 👋 👋
You mean the Union Rag...
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Even if Scotland doesn't successfully get into the EU, it can automatically shape its own foreign policy and make trading with the EU easier. They can sign up to EFTA, for example, or join the EEA. Through those they can have much greater single market access than the rest of the UK. Norway is a good example of this, not an EU member, but has great access to the single market. Joining the customs union alone would boost Scottish economy.
Fully agree , many Scots would align with joining the Customs Union or EFTA, there are many opportunities for Scotland as an Independent nation free to choose our own path
So this is an English program, focused on an English perspective, about Scotland's decision for self determination. Aye, sounds about par for the course for Pravda.
But England did give you a chance for self determination but you voted against it you hypocrite
@@tightnoose5611 So you know how I voted aye? Away and get back to being a bigoted Brexit boy, ya English trumpet.
I smell desperation and fear from the unionist government based in Westminster. The union is broken and has been for decades due to the inequality of a supposed union of equals. Psychologically for the English mindset the United Kingdom of Great Britain is nothing more than greater England. The union is and always has been set up to give an imbalance of parliamentary seats heavily biased towards England. Therefor there is, and never was, any true democracy for the Scottish people in being part of Britain, the treaty was built that way by design. In fact the UK is one of the least democratic political constructs in the world for its smaller population constituent nations.
Having said that, someone had the foresight to ensure that Scottish law was kept separate from English law because this was the tool with which Scotland could wrest itself free from the shambles. If England tries to break that by legislating against the separation of Scottish law, then the treaty of the union is broken and thus becomes null and void.
Scotland is about to get the hard sell propaganda that it is a basket case incapable of going forwards on its own without the charity of Westminster and England to support it. It is about time that England stood on its own two feet. Then we will all see the truth of the lies and propaganda that have emanated from an English centric UK.
Let's get the popcorn out and watch and listen to all the desperation from the propagandists.
The point that is missed from all the unionist talking heads and fear mongers in moving forwards is that it is not about Nicola Sturgeon nor the SNP, but is instead all about Scotland and its own right to self determination whether good or bad.
The British Empire is almost dead and buried and currently chain stoking its way to its final demise in the dissolution of Britain itself back into its constituent nations. It is the end of empire and well past the time when looking at the treatment meted out to Scotland in a comprehensive asset stripping since before Thatcher committed her de-industrialisation asset stripping destruction of the UK. I see no merit or improvement in the UK despite all the lies and political chess from a Westminster that Scotland never votes for disguised as truth to make the place better.
Lets just get it done and end this 300 year old political aberration, there is no good in it, that much is obvious in looking at the current Westminster based "leaders" and their cohorts blithely leading a zombie political construct to its final conclusion.
Scotland is no basket case, but England is definately going to be one once Scotland is off. They already know this truth because they have spent some money in understanding the truth.
What an utter joke. Scotland has over 50 MPs in Westminster and is waaay over represented already considering it only has a 5 million population. Try being 5 million in the EU. Then you'll know his it feels to be underrepresented. Unbelievable arrogance of the Scots.
@@mogznwaz You don't get it do you? You obviously dont understand and what I said, it went completely over your head. Population has absolutely nothing to do with it in the greater world. Considering national populations, does Norway for example or even the USA have less of a say as a nation at the UN compared to china? Not really should be the answer that springs into your mind if you understand how the greater world works. Briatian was not constructed in such a way that the smaller populated nations have an equal voice. Therfore the treaty between Scotland and England, a treaty of equals as stated in the treaty of union itself was constructed in such a way that England would always have the dominant voice. So Great Britain is not a democratic construct. Remember The United Kingdom of Great Britain came about via a treaty and treaties can be undone, we see it on a frequent basis in our current greater geo-political world.
I dont expect that you have the capacity to understand any of what I stated given your response which is nothing more than a red herring based on ignorance by all accounts.
You obviously have no understanding of the differences between the construction of the EU when compared to the construction of the UK. Anyway I what I have said so far is the truth.
What are you afraid of and why are you defending this one sided dead political construct? Well England is going to lose a lot of sea area and other assets once Scotland goes, so that is one thing for Westminster to fear.
Ah! Fuzzle, but think on this - The United Kingdom is a Monarchy and a monarchy cannot ever be a democracy it has a legally sovereign head of state.
Scotland, in 1320, did succeed with the Declaration of Arbroath but those wealthy, "Paircel o Rogues in ae Nation, were deliberately embroiled in the Darien Expedition by the very same person, Willian Paterson, who was used by, "Sir Robert Harley", (the English parliament's spy master), to raise the funds to bail out the English parliament after they fought European wars over the, "English Navigation Acts". The money he raised gave birth to the private company, "The Bank of England". A few years later he, Paterson, is in Edinburgh instigating, "The Darien Expedition", that England claims bankrupted Scotland but which didn't.
It bankrupted the wealthy Land owners who were also the Scottish Parliamentarians. Scotland, the kingdom was not bankrupted but did suffer 7 years of drought and bad harvests but Scotland, unlike England, had no, or very little national debt.
The Darien Expedition was designed by Westminster to set up the Scottish parliamentarians for coercion, (no blackmail under Scots law), bribery and threats of legal actions.
Then we had Paterson and his close associate, the English undercover agent and author, Daniel Defoe, working on those Paircel o Rogues and Defoe's letters back to Harley in London are still in the English archives today - but they don't teach you that in your Scottish history lessons - do they. But the evidence is all there today if you care to chase it down.
@@fuzzle9392 Umm yes it does have less of a say. Sorry but that's the truth. No-one cares what Norway thinks.
@@TheAuldBob I have full cognisance of the Darien debacle, which is there in the back of my mind, along with a lot of other relevant political and geo-political shenanigans. It goes without the saying.
As for sovereignty of the monarchy in Scotland as compared to England, it would be true to say that there is a fundamental difference in that the people of Scotland are sovereign, not the monarch. History speaks on this matter for itself and has caused certain issues down the years that continue to this day. The Scots have the power to remove their Monarch.
Listening to the tory you can see exactly why Scotland wants to self determine rather then being non determined by the tory party
Why in the world would anyone listen to a Tory
I was a no voter in 2014, but I have certainly changed my mind and will be voting for independence once the referendum comes 🏴
Independence is inevitable🇦🇺❤️🏴
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FREE SCOTLAND! END THE TORY OLIGARCHY!
What! Have you any idea about what you're shouting about? A catchy slogan won't get the job done. What Tory oligarchy?
🤣🤣🤣🤣
How big a part did the BBC play in the propaganda that influenced the Scottish voters?
I watched hundreds of debates on the BBC over the two years or so before the independance vote and every single debate had the No voter sum up last. They repeated all the arguements that had been refuted by the Yes voter and it made it look like the No supporter won.
This happened in every single debate, without fail. This is biased debating...
They used the same tactics to get us to remain in the eu and failed miserably. Hasn't it dawned on you that the BBC tactics got you extra votes.
BBC charter is pro-union so reporting is always going to be skewed and bias
Just go search the BBC STOLE THE REFERENDUM.
@@tutenvanman2715 BBC is just another arm of the Government
Just like they are giving Sturgeon air time every day since this pandemic started with her daily updates. Sturgeon is using these updates as a political platform to further her cause under the guise of a caring and concerned politician. But the SNP voters cannot see they are being taken for mugs by a politician with only one thing in mind. To further her carreer at any cost to Scotlands economy. Just look at the state of Scotlands economy since she came to power. Waken up mugs.
That tory rectal alpinist is just disgusting . I cant stand him and im not even from Scotland .
Tories are scum. I have never seen a more hypochritical, snakey people.
Of course you're not in Scotland. You're in British controlled Caledonia.
Neither can I
@@michaelmorgan9289 Accurate.
It really annoys me when they have the cheek to say Scottish people legally arnt allowed to have a vote on thier own independence, that's not how democracies work. Scotland would be better run by Scots and I say that as an Englishman, better to end the union on friendly terms than hostile ones.
@Bryan Davis Given the animosity stirred up by politicians the UK breakup looks as though it could be similar to that of Yugoslavia.
@Graeme Roberts UK is a country NOT a political union.It is not international agreement.
This interviewer is really good.
Hahahahaha so... Why didn't they do the same with brexit?
While I am against independence and will vote no again, it looks quite clear to me that Scotland will leave the U.K. To me it is not about Nicola Sturgeon Vs Boris Johnson, Brexit etc. Scotland has benefited massively from being part of the union and continues to benefit. I will wait to see what proposal is put forward this time but if it is anything like the white paper from the 2014 referendum then there are tough times ahead. The fact that we want to join the EU as an independent nation is reason enough to vote no.
www.businessforscotland.com/revealed-the-accounting-trick-that-hides-scotlands-wealth/
Scotland and Northern Ireland will be off soon enough, and all thanks to the Tories incompetence. The only patriotic party in the world that'll break up its own country 😂
Wales will be next......no one wants to work with a corrupt Westminster
@@casperwallace9685 Am Wales voted in more Tories last November. Wales is little England, sry.
Err! No they won't - the United K-i-n-g-d-o-m is a kingdom not a country.
@THe Guinness man How tedious. Surprised you didn't say "occupied 6 counties"
@THe Guinness man I'm happy for Irish unification, I'd likely vote for it if there was a border poll. It's just a pet hate of mine, the way some people pretend the current arrangement is called anything other than Northern Ireland. As it happens, I was brought up in the unionist community, if that means anything. One thing really does scare me though, the hardline loyalists will go fucking apeshit. The troubles will come back in a new form.
No surprised this guy is bright beetroot spouting lies
Freedom
Not Historically Accurate.
Pish film highly inaccurate
Let them go independent.
No trade deal
Block their entry into the WTO
No favoured nation status
200% tariffs on all Scottish goods.
Job done.
Scotland would be so shook
Get out of that BorisHell, dear Scotland. The EU welcomes you warmly🤩
No it doesn't. The EU doesn't want another economic burden - and that's what Scotland is.
@@mogznwaz You clearly insist on talking about a subject you have no clue about.
Head of European Commission in UK says Scotland will start from a "continuing member" entry point after independence.
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MEP and president of @EMInternational Jo Leinen on Scotland: "They are and will be part of EU after independence from Day 1."
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EU's chief Brexit negotiator Guy Verhofstadt appointed to co-ordinate the European Parliaments response, to the UK’s bombshell departure, agrees that independent Scotland would gain automatic entry to the EU.
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Brussels MEPs told Scotland CAN be given special Brexit deal with EU keeping Scotland in the EU were handed a boost today after the European Parliament was told Edinburgh could secure special terms with Brussels.
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Guy Verhofstadt is also supportive of Scotland’s vote to remain in the EU following June’s referendum. “It’s wrong that Scotland might be taken out of EU, when it voted to stay. He says 'We need the Scottish people ... we cannot afford to lose that.
European Parliament’s chief Brexit negotiator has told The National, Europe “cannot afford to lose” Scotland. We are well aware that a majority of Scots voted to stay within the bloc in last year’s referendum.
“Europe hasn’t forgotten that a large majority of the Scottish people voted to remain,” Verhofstadt said. “We need the Scottish people and their firm European beliefs.
“Scotland has shaped European civilisation, through iconic figures such as David Hume, Alexander Fleming and Adam Smith and still does so today by being at the forefront of defining and strengthening European values. We cannot afford to lose that.”
Best educate yourself coz you just sound really stupid.
Are you for real, your idiotic notion that the E U would accept Scotland, is so STUPID.
They will not want ANOTHER liability on it's books, Spain, Greece ,Portugal and Belgium, are just 4 of the countries that will say NO, that is even if the Scots are daft enough to give Nicky the Fish the green light.
In 2014 part of the deal for Scotland remaining in the UK was the UK remaining in the EU. Since Brexshit a lot of Scots rightfully feel they've been baited and switched.
More people voted for brexit than snp
@@douglasscott4880 More people didn't vote for Brexit than did. That silly game can be played anywhere..
I campaigned for the Union back in 2014 when I lived in Edinburgh. Even though I still believe in it, the Union is now indefensible. The Scottish people were clearly lied to and there is very little reason to stay.
gimme a break more 'we were lied to rubbish' . you sound like the brexiteers. . leaving eu will not make any english mans life better, neither will breaking up the uk for anyone in scotland. honestly what planet are you people living on. how can all this mayhem and chaos be anyones best interest! either boris johnson will cave in to the eus demands at the last minute in these supposed negotiations in or there will be economically disasterous no deal outcome. either way we'll see what happens when nationalism meets reality. no ones talking about it now but personally i think in 10-15 years after a few of the brexiteers have died of old age people will be talking about rejoining the eu. .. and i get that people in scotland who voted remain are depressed but do you really think that 2 nationalist car crashs are going to be better than 1? better to just wait it out and hold your nerve.
Also vited no in 2014. Also now for yes. SNP argumenets haven't xhanged and I'm still not convinced by glaring gaps but the sheer hypocrisy and frankly quite unddmocratic rhetroic coming from the unionist and Westminster is what pushed me away. They can't see that they are jndermining their own cause. Hypocrites.
Jamie Greene utterly devoid of ideas. Independence for Scotland is within touching distance.
Why would not some country want independence? Getting rooted out of EU is big deal.
Here's the thing...even if they had voted for independence in there last vote, they STILL can't be an EU member...The EU have told them several times.
They do not meet the various requirements that are needed.
Sturgen doesn't tell them what the EU have told her...several times:).
It's all power play BS.
Welsh independence. Cymru am byth
I agree, imagine how much money England would have without paying for your ass all the time.
Hurry up guys you can see the crap Scotland is getting.
Sagittarius A* we support you also our Celtic brothers 🏴🏴🇮🇪
@@leonblittle226 you'll need your money to support all the immigrants coming to England 😂😂😂😂
@@leonblittle226 and we won't have to supply your water, and you can stop dumping your landfill in Wales.
We must unite and oppose the aggressor. Bon courage Scotland, revive the Celtics! Love from Taiwan🇹🇼🏴
Worry about your own country lad
@@DannnMate He can comment on what he likes.
funny how there wasnt a done deal to vote on in the 2016 EU referendum and here we are 4 years later still in paralysis
Yeah, totally hypocritical
@Graeme Roberts You're a cloon ya cloon faced soggy haggis wee bairn. England's got loads of money. It's all aboot the hoose !
They think we have short memories.....
@Graeme Roberts you're in debt, i'm in debt we're all in debt but Scootland my friend has major fiscal problems that I wont bore you with, I'm sure you know, hoots man !
@@FB-di5sn bye bye, aint you gone yet ? i dont think you want to, too scared ? lol !
Scotland voted 62% to remain in the EU. The UK voted 52% to leave. The Boorish Deal doesn't benefit Scotland. So, Independence is inevitable.
During the first referendum, the UK was part of the EU. That is no longer true.
Here is an idea to save the UK and keep it together, if that is your mindset:
Give Scotland, England, Northern Ireland and Wales equal numbers of seats and representation in Westminster. Doing that would redress the imbalances inbuilt into the current construction of the UK that works wholly in favour of one of its component nations. That would make everything less about England and more about an equal UK that consists of four nations. Then England would have its voice based on an equal footing. Population density of the four nations shouldn't even come into the equation because that isn't how it works out in the real world. Otherwise China would have the greatest say in everything on this planet.
Chances of that happening though are nil. The English centric mind would implode at that concept.
So lets just get shot of the UK as it isnt working for the lesser populated nations, who have never had and never will have, an equal valid say in how the UK is run because England doesn't want it.
Fuzzle not even the EU operates this way.
@@Si1234321 it is a choice of two things, fix the inherent inequality in UK and its constituent nations or let it break apart.
By all accounts it looks like breaking up is going to be the way forwards. TBH it needs it as the place is a mess due to the past 40 years of wilfull destruction and dismantling of infrastructure due to a "bright idea" that has proven to be an abject failure driven from a corrupted Westminster. The political parties are owned by their donors.
@@Si1234321 I would point out that the set up, or construction, of the UK is different from the EU.
I believe that since the Scottish people vote and think very differently from England, then Scotland should be independent and go its own way and since they wish to stay in the EU, they should be able to do so. Instead of relying on Subsidies from Westminister, they will be able to rely on subsidies from Brussels instead, though of course I hope the Scots can eventually not become dependent on subsidies from any source and can make their own way without needing financial help.
In the EU referendum, the English chose one path and the Scots another. Therefore let England and Scotland walk on the paths they wish to follow and go their separate ways. Scotland was independent in the past and can be independent again if the Scots wish it.
Well said
With these idiots in charge.
And Scotland has no deficit !
It's not allowed to borrow so it can't have one !
england borrows like a madman, then tells Scotland to pay it off and calls it Scotland's " deficit " !
There will NEVER be another independence referendum for Scotland, because the voters were told it was a "once in a lifetime" vote. Also, you cannot plan for the future of a country if you are unsure if the Northern part of it will break away any time.
The United Kingdom does not have a single legal system because it was created by the political union of previously independent countries. Article 19 of the Treaty of Union guaranteed the continued existence of Scotland's and England's separate legal systems.
Recognized as an international legal right, The United Nations Charter placed the right of self-determination into the framework of international law.
By virtue of that right any people can freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social development.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_Kingdom_European_Union_membership_referendum#Results
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_that_have_gained_independence_from_the_United_Kingdom
You really have no idea about what it is that you pretend to have knowledge of. There are many like you in the comments section under the video above. Talking from perspectives of complete ignorance.
You will need to have a look at what was put in writing in legally binding documents, not some loose words that carry no legal weight behind them. "Once in a life time" and "once in a generation" were just figures of speech, words, that have been misinterpreted and then regurgitated out of context by the likes of yourself. None of these are mentioned anywhere in legal documentation and are thus red herring non arguments with which to support your belief system.
There are two and very distinct systems of law within the UK: English Law and Scottish law. English law has no power in Scotland. Refer to the "Treaty of the Union" for your edification. It will be up to Scotland to choose to have a referendum on dissolving the union. Then you will have to pay some attention to international law and what it says.
Remember that the UK is not a country, but is a political and economic construct consisting of four nations, created at a time when they were still executing people for witchcraft. Two of those nations signed a treaty, a treaty that states that it is one of two equal nations. However it was constructed in a unequal fashion in the number of parliamentary seats allocated to the two nations.
Show me your evidence, I suggest you go and educate yourself before spouting nonsense
Honestly, after the tory man's answer I hope Scotland will get out of this union...
Oh right to do what beg the EU to let us in pathetic
Do you remember how the union started? Scotland was up to its neck in debt and part of the deal then was to let it drop. England cant do that again!
Have you seen what they have done to the potato trade!!
@Graeme Roberts Scotland's deficit as a percentage of its income is much much higher...
Independence is coming like a juggernaut !! ✊🏻🏴🏴
The argument that; Firstly, Scotland voted to remain in the UK in 2014 and that, secondly, the UK voted to leave the EU in 2016 - Therefore the current situation of the British government actively pushing for a hard Brexit is fine; is a very clear example of British Unionist sophistry. It's a fundamentally fallacious argument to most Scottish people - because the No/Better Together Campaign in 2014 actively relied on making the case, time and time again, "that remaining in the UK was the only way for Scotland to remain part of the EU". Looks like there's been a wee change in circumstances, doesn't it?
Well said.
I voted to leave the EU and I agree that Scotland should have a second referendum, as they were told a vote to stay in the union was a vote to stay in the EU. That being said, I don't think the SNP is going to do a good job in running Scotland outside of the UK. They seem hell bent on just wanting out, but I do not believe the SNP is being honest with itself and the people of Scotland. Scotland is a great country and I would be sad to see the Scottish leave the UK. I like having a union with England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales. I would be worried for Scotland if they did leave, I believe it would be a mistake, but it's a choice for the Scottish to make.
@seosaphjarvinen Because Scotland joined the EU as a member of the UK. Leaving the UK would mean leaving all legal ties to the EU. The laws in place for UK being in EU is binding to the UK, not Scotland individually. Once Scotland left the UK there part of the EU agreement would be void. Why do you think in 2014 that the remain party campaign was all about staying in the EU. The laws that EU imposed on UK where UK wide not individually based.
Such as the intelligence service. If Scotland leaves the UK it will need a new one or a new collab with the rest of the UK. That also has a domino effect with the EU as well.
You can also put it like this. If a couple of people join together to get a share. Later down the line if a person pulls out and the rest stay they don't get to keep the share. They might get money back but their actual share amount is null.
Finally, you can look back at what the EU has stated during the time period and they also backed up what number 10 said. Leaving UK is leaving EU.
@seosaphjarvinen
I get that from the then priminister David Cameron. He told the Scottish that a vote to stay in the UK is a vote to stay in the EU. Then he gave us a vote on whether or not to have a referendum. Then when leave one the referendum he resigned shortly after that. Do you remember what he said on his way back into number 10? Right then, dum, dum, dum lol. He obviously didn't think leave would win, but we did.
Why Scotland needs middle man to run own Country? Common sense Scottish run Scotland this not better?? You pay a middle man with your own sources - oil, fishery, pure energy, whisky taxes just for management???
2014 the only way to stay in the EU is a no vote, brexit happens ...
This is now the brexit generation a new generation.
I can't believe the cheek of so many unionists in quoting "once in a generation", a figure of speech used by one man against any concrete arguments that are pro independence. Speaks for itself
Aye! A new generation of idiots. When they actually exit the THE EU , "BRITAIN", will still be where it always has been as Britain is not a a country nor id Britain a single political or sovereign state. Britain is an archipelago lying north of the main European mainland. These Brextremist/unionist idiots, though, don't know that Britain, not being in the EU cannot exit what it is not in.
It is the UNITED KINGDOM that is leaving the EU and one, EQUALLY SOVEREIGN, partner kingdom in that bipartite UNITED KINGOM voted quite positively against being dragged out of the European Union against the legally sovereign people of Scotland's legally sovereign will.
Which is why the erstwhile United Kingdom is about to disunite and, being legally sovereign, a majority of the legally sovereign people of Scotland's sovereign wishes must be legally upheld or the matter will be taken to the international courts. In which courts, regardless of anything else there are basic Hunan Rights legislation that the Westminster UNITED KINGDOM government are signed up to and indeed have the same Human rights written into English Law. Scotland also has them written into Scottish law. One such human right is the right of a recognized people to have self determination .
Which right of self determination is denied them by this Brextremist/unionist idiocy that in itself will very rapidly destroy the United Kingdom's fragile economy. Westminster is already warning of prescription drug shortages and certain medically used radio isotopes that the United Kingdom cannot ATM produce. People will die but this Brextremist/unionist government has a long history of killing off the old, disabled, ill or simple poor or out of work United Kingdom citizens where people live rough on the Streets of the United Kingdom and die of hunger, cold and neglect.
I'm old enough to remember the Concentration, work and death camps of WWII and indeed my own father took photos of what he witnessed upon liberating at least two such camps.
Dad was never the same person after such experiences.
Now! Does it matter if the government kills of people by firing squad, gas chamber, working them to death or starving or freezing them to death by government laws are regulations a dead vulnerable person is still an unnecessarily killed person no matter which way you have chosen to end their miserable lives and this current Brextremist/unionist government stands so far to the right they look left and cannot see the slightly left of centre Scottish Government as Genghis Khan, Hitler, Mussolini and Mrs Thatcher are getting in the way.
Scotland will end the United Kingdom, Ireland will reunite and Brexit will be the reason.
Britain is one nation and always will be and no traitor will change that
@@themac2238 Britain’s actually an island, the United Kingdom is the country which includes Northern Ireland which isn’t on the island of Britain. It’s also not always been as the union is only about 300 years old.
@@MikeyLove22 I would classify the northern Irish as British although not on the mainland
I think any sound minded individual can agree Scotland will be independent and they will be independent in the next 3 years. No change of primeminister will change our minds, we’ll leave and that will be the end of the story whatever happens to the other countries is on them
I love this change in timeline: we voted to remain in the U.K. and the U.K. voted to leave the Eu...
Technically we were told by Better together we would be giving up on our Eu membership if we left. Now it’s pretty much go with a partnership of different countries or a country we have no political agreement with.
yes it definitely not a good thing that the UK voted leave. but 2 nationalist car crashes are not better than one.. you can see from comments people write on here, that the snp and their loony supporters are just as disconnected from reality as the brexiteers. as far as all these people are concerned the £2000 per person a year that the british government gives scotland is just some accounting trick, and 'scotland hold all the cards' in terms of negotiating an exit deal with the uk. we're finding out how many cards the uk holds when it comes to negotiating an exit deal with the eu. breaking up the uk will be even more chaotic than leaving the eu. scotland being the smaller country will get the worst of it. this whole bloody country has gone completely mad from top to bottom. im seriously thinking the sensible thing to do is emigrate.
@EL JAY i can’t speak for the SNP but it’s definitely how i feel, i voted no last time and this time i’m be definitely voting yes.
@EL JAY and yet officials within EU have stated that if Scotland were to re apply to the EU there would be no barriers in its way of being accepted. However i understand that most EU officials are unwilling to speak about it for fear they will be berated by London for actively suggesting Scotland should leave the U.K. but my question to you with the cost of living crisis, tory austerity, access to the single market and EU gone, not to mention Scotland supplies 98% of energy to the u.k. yet pays a higher premium to connect to the grid, our elected officials are ignored by Westminster and the only thing coming out of the Tories and Labour is endless lies and fantasies about how they will get us through this crisis when in reality they are plunging us straight into a recession which will result in working class people bailing out the banks, what is the benefits of staying within the U.K. for Scotland?
Give them dependence
It's not just the Scottish that are fed up with the UK. #londependence
London runs on oligarc money through the Tories, wise up.
@Adam Fraser
Cornwall, Wales and N Ireland want out also. What's going to be left? Mercia?
C'mon, Independence for Scotland! 💙🏴
What's the point of democracy if you can't accept the result
@Graeme Roberts you should go repeal every Scottish and UK election ever held untill you're satisfied with promise implementation...
What's the point of democracy if you can't vote for your own future?
@@countertopconfessions9975 At what point in the UK democratic process can the Scottish people not vote when other UK nationals can?
@@MegaMOUNDS At the point where we are so outnumbered by England it almost doesn't matter whether we vote or not. We voted overwhelming to remain. But we're leaving. Because England narrowly wanted to.
Please, I'm not trying to pick a fight. I'm just looking for some empathy here.
@@countertopconfessions9975 Whether a "fight" happens is entirely up to you. You asked "What's the point of democracy if you can't vote for your own future?", that was the exact rationale for why England voted leave on Brexit. If you accept the premise that democratic participation is paramount to good governance, then you must accept it as a cause when others campaign for it. English voters have no say in when government funds, levied in England, are redistributed to Scotland. This is what it means to be a United Kingdom.
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Freedom 🏴
I will leave the UK if Scotland gets independence dksksueidiri4838383838cj ifieso
I thought this was an equal union? How then does one side apparently think it has control? That doesn't sound anything like an equal union.
Well basically... It doesn't have control. Westminster isn't the English government. It's the British government. England doesn't have a government. If England wanted independence they would have to go through all of this aswell.
@@countertopconfessions9975 so you really think that Westminster would have to ask Scotland for permission to hold a referendum?
@@jockthejukebox Westminster is not England's government. If England want independence they'd have to ask Westminster.
@@countertopconfessions9975 it is apparently an equal union, what sort of equal partnership has one partner having to ask the other for permission to leave? This is the element of control. I also don't recall the UK asking for permission from the EU to hold a referendum. And I know that officially England does not have a government but its MPs have a lot more of a say on UK decisions than any of the other administrations do owing to the number of MPs representing English constituencies.
The population of England is roughly 11 times the population of Scotland, so of course they both don't get equal say. Given how many seats in UK parliament Scotland has and how many people make up each constituency on average, it most definitely isn't unfairly against Scotland, in fact each voter in Scotland has slightly more power than the average English voter (marginally fewer people per seat in the UK parliament by extension more seats relative to its population), along with Scotland having a huge amount of autonomy compared to regions of similar population in England. Just because the decisions of the UK parliament are generally determined by a country of 55 million compared to 5 million doesn't mean you should throw your hands up and claim inequality.
So the UK want to keep their fish, but cant even keep Sturgeon. Oh the irony....
Not only that , the vast amount of fish is caught in Scottish waters ! So all this hoo-ha about uk fish , will be for nothing it'll be Scottish fish ! And we will make the Farage/ Johnson/ Brexiter argument about fish ridiculous, as it is !
Rob Duncan it will be the Spanish fishermens fish as well if Scotland ever got back into Europe and any other countries that are members who wish to fish Scottish waters. All those fish won’t be your ‘sole’ possession 😂
Its clever really, it's a small issue for the UK economy but for Scottish coastal communities its massive.
If fishing rights return to those communities it's pretty difficult to ask them to give it up again.
@@vtechead1 Indeed that is right ! The difference is a independent Scotland with a SNP progressive government will work with EU and other intrested parties to a negotiated agreement . As opposed to this bombastic crap from this Conservative and Unionist party government, that don't understand that winning a battle on fishing grounds is not the end . The end is being able to sell the fish , sustainability, and making profit. This crash out madness will allow a few large fishing companies to increase their catch , at what cost ? The local processors will not survive ,they have made that perfectly clear , and selling will incur 12.5%tariffs into EU, along with customs checks, and a raft of food hygiene and origen rules , delays and extra logistics costs , with likely blockades on the continental Market ,all this adds up to a uneconomic product . So yes rather than catching all the fish in Scotland and either selling it at low cost (something that fishermen want to avoid at all cost ) , a SNP independent Scotland will work with others in a give and take in order to have good strong free-flowing markets into EU for the benefit of the Scottish fishermen ! What you don't seem to realise is Scottish fishermen know this and are playing the long game . They know a crash out might get Brexiters cheering but this will work against them . They need free or at the very least good markets to sell the fish at a profit ! A crash out with a poor relationship with the countries they need to sell into is a complete disaster! You might like cheap fish if fishermen are forced into selling cheap into the home market because of 12.5%tariffs and extra logistics and paperwork and delays with blockades all extra costs to sell into the EU. This is not only bad for fishermen, this is a complete disaster! The fishermen bank balance is what motivates them , and a crash out Brexit with no easy market is the disaster they are very keen to avoid , only that is where we are heading . Fast forward after the crash, fishermen will be desperate to find a solution ! A crash out Brexit Empire is no solution ! A independent Scotland that see the whole macro economic picture giving Scottish fishermen a good profitable market with sustainable development with some give and take improving their bank balance will be a solution . And make no mistake they know this , only crash out Brexiters can't see that far in front .
@Graeme Roberts It will be accepted at the end of the day, there is a whole supply chain at risk.
There will be some turbulence at the beginning but that will settle down, there is still a market for fish at the end of the day.
What would be much harder is to say to fishing communities after they have regained those fishing grounds that they must give them up again.
I think it is rather wishful thinking to expect the EU change that, they know Scotland wants membership.
Red faced and talking pish. I think someone has just stumbled out of the pub and into a BBC interview...
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Typical BBC bias interview.
I can understand why a nationalist party advocates independence but why would a nationalist party advocate EU membership when the EU obviously champions federalism?
Because they're only racist against the English.
Because its not the nationalism you think it is (hint: xenophobic English nationalism and exceptionalism)
So who will Scotland blame once independent?
I think Scotland should run England every four years... Let's see how the English like that?
England doesn’t run scotland and perpetuating myths like that is what causes growing division which blinds people to genuinely good arguments for or against independence and replaces it with nothing but resentment and nationalism. We go from “these reasons are why indy2 is a good idea” to “FUCK ENGLAND!!! THATS WHY!!”
We had a Scottish prime minister 10 years ago
Your right the snp are so bad at it would be terrible for England
The SNP mostly appeal to the poor and always will, sadly history tells us that nationalists politics always pray on the disenfranchised uneducated votes for power while the very people who vote for it will bare the brunt with chaos and division, humans never learn
SNP will open their borders to everyone and where we they go? Straight to England. Scotland population is tiny... how do they think they will survive? The EU won’t take them
Well the majority of Scots did not choose to leave the EU you knob! Wait, this is another generation, generation z how exactly are you making your decision on what a generation constitutes?
Nanu Nanu nothing wrong with stating the truth
@Nanu Nanu and unionists need to give their "Ah, but..." pish a rest. Your facts are not cogniscant of one or two things..........................
How many times do they want a vote. If yes and they leave, can they not put another vote in 6 years to say to come back? How many time are they going to check. Brexit was apparently one vote
@Graeme Roberts You should at a minimum wait a decade to see how being outside the EU actually feels like instead of being stubborn and than feeling buyers remorse if England becomes far better off.
Independence is normal. 😀 👍
Stand with the Scots!
give them another referendum and let the jocks get gone, good riddance
The Scottish government passed the Referendum Bill...and has said the Indyref2 will be at the end of 2023.