What happened to Boris Johnson’s ‘oven-ready’ Brexit deal? - BBC Newsnight
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Ministers are planning new legislation that could override a key part of last year's EU withdrawal agreement.
The move could change the nature of new Northern Ireland customs arrangements intended to prevent a return to checks at the border with the Irish Republic.
Downing Street said it was a standby plan in case EU-UK trade talks fail.
Boris Johnson said that, if a trade deal is not reached by 15 October, both sides should "move on", which would still be a "good outcome".
Is this an attempt to torpedo the whole process? And is this bluff or a declaration of intent?
Political Editor Nick Watt reports. Mark Urban is joined by chair of the committee on the future relationship with the EU Hilary Benn, member of the European parliament's UK coordination group Philippe Lamberts and chair of the pro-Brexit group Lawyers for Britain Martin Howe QC.
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The EU has (unlike the UK) been preparing for the possibility of a no-deal Brexit for years. It's also made it clear that it is not willing under any circumstances to give the UK the benefits of EU membership once it is not a member: they're willing to cut a deal, but it will be a worse deal. While they don't _want_ a no-deal scenario, that scenario is still preferable to giving the UK freebies.
Yet David Jones still feigns surprise that the EU isn't willing to negotiate on aspects it has clearly said are non-negotiable.
The EU _has_ to give the UK a worse deal as a non-member than they got as a member. The member states of the EU - who have to individually ratify any agreement with any single member being able to scuttle the whole thing - simply won't tolerate anything else.
Do you really think the uk hasn’t prepared for this 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@MrAckers75 Yes.
Coward. Traitor
We were ready for no deal before October last year! If the EU were ready for a no deal as you say. They would have acterd like it. BS
@@knutkatastrophe2722 - Lol !
The UK says they are out, and the EU should respect that the UK is now an independent country. Out means also that they will lose access to the single market 2021.01.01. If the UK wants to keep access to the single market, then they have to respect the EU's conditions to do so. And if the UK wants to be a credible independent country, it has to respect signed agreements.
Lol, the UK doesn't lose access to the single market, are you stupid?
Lose as in will not be in the single market, given that the terms of trade in goods and services will be completely different and access will be much more limited.
@@jpw6893 it does actually
@@meneither3834 really so we will no longer be able to sell to the EU then, in your opinion.
@@jpw6893 Make your research... The SM does not equal to an average trading market. Yes, you will still sell us some products, but there will be massive customs on them, making these products uncompetitive. The Single Market guarantees that you don't have to pay customs on any of these goods, that's what the UK is losing now.
I am totally ashamed of being British at the moment.
💤💤🚮🚾
This really is an embarrassing farce isn’t it
Shame on you for being ashamed. Your shame is easy currency to build your bank of moral superiority. But it makes you part of the problem.
Phil Y no this brexit failure is very much owned by the loons that voted for this mess making the U.K. utterly impotent
@@andrew300169 perhaps it's more complicated than that? Any room for nuance? Didn't think so!
After following the Brexit debate for three years (sitting with my popcorn here in Copenhagen) I suddenly realize that what is actually even more important than having a free democracy, is having a well functioning free press.
Well said! I lived in UK for 6 years and it has the most biased right leaning press ever.
@@KwamenaA It's not quite as bad as America, and look how that turned out! I think that gutting the education system for decades has had just as bad an effect.
@@owenrichards1418 I'm finnish originally so I'm biased but I think education is key! Especially where it's the same quality accross the board for everyone to access.
@@KwamenaA Wow, what do you define as "right leaning". The press has, for the most part, been incredible negative about Brexit, initially they labelled anyone that wanted it a racist xenophobe.
@Zoey Lowlands Do you truly believe that over half of the UK are racist? Do you truly believe that? It is VERY clear what people voted for based on polls. I never saw any evidence that people voted because they were racist and for you to say "It is your problem you can't see that." well, ok, show me. Am I a racist? Can you point to the people politicians that are for the UK leaving the EU and show me evidence that they are racists? The most you probably can do (and all the media did) is go lift up some rocks and find the some uneducated working class person from some housing estate and coax them into saying something that could be construed as racist. Ironically, I found most the people that hold your views are the ones being prejudice to the working class, because they were the most likely group to vote leave. It is not my problem you can't see that.
UK was always a sovereign country, even before signing the agreement.
And guess what? All the countries in the EU are also sovereign countries 😘
Typical Brexit logic. All waffle and rhetoric. No sound arguments.
@David If the UK was not sovereign, how could it hold a referendum to leave?
Really? Perhaps you should look up the definition of sovereignty in a dictionary:
Sovereignty
noun [ U ]
UK /ˈsɒv.rɪn.ti/ US /ˈsɑːv.rən.i/
The power of a country to control its own government, without any interference from outside sources or bodies.
If we don't control our own laws, how the bloody hell can we be Sovereign??
You are beyond dumb
@@douglaslisboa9787 - Guess what, you are totally 100% wrong on that. Not one single country in the EU is sovereign. Why don't you look it up in a dictionary
Laws for thee but not for me
Dominic Cummings!
@Yattaman CANZUK and WILLSUCK.
@Paul Nolan remoaners are all sexual deviants
@C K.H "Stand not upon the order of thy going, but go". The words of Gruoch, Queen of Scots - Mrs. McBeth. I for one, in the Eu, Could not give a damn.
Dear UK:. We here in North America value peace in Ireland far above any Brexit and trade deals...
Dear US - We don't care what your opinion is, we will ensure peace in NI because its in the interests of the UK. We will also ensure that Brexit goes ahead as that is what we have decided!
Dear UK, you ought to care what those, with whom you hope to negotiate your next trade deal, think about your behaviour under your most recent one
@@superduper9357 And how are we gong to do that if we take measures that result in the collapse of the Good Friday agreement?
Super Duper thicko
Adrian I get what you’re trying to say, but the connection is so tenuous as to not be there.
UK negotiators seem to believe that the UK is still in the Union. It is not just the UK that is a sovereign state.
The EU is a sovereign state and our negotiators have no duty of care to the UK only to the member states.
The integrity of the Union is far more important than any deal with the UK.
December 2019: "we have an oven ready Brexit deal"
September 2020: "we are preparing for no deal"
How long is it gunna take for Brexiters to wake up?
They'll never wake up, when it goes bad they'll say its the EU's fault
Brexiteers are exactly like trump supporters.
Didnt you realise the oven ready deal was already to be eaten ? NO DEAL.
They were thick enough to vote for this shit. They'll be thick enough to not realise how bad it is.
The shit hit the fan in 1975
Make an enemy of your family and friends in the hope that you will find comfort in the arms of strangers. Oh, wait! That's a bit like BoJo's family life!
I am a UK national and have lived abroad for the last 7 years in a SE Asian Commonwealth country. There was a time when the Commonwealth could be relied on as "family" and would be sympathetically disposed to the UK. Not anymore. Over my years abroad, the weak influence of the UK turned to mockery and now derision. Several EU countries have more traction in terms of credibility and desirability as a trading partner. Even 'soft exports' like education face stiff competition from the likes of Australia, New Zealand and Canada.
To shoot ourselves in one foot may be an accident. To then pull the gun to shoot the other out of petulance is insanity.
now that's interesting
@@AWhileHanlin do read my edited comment. Ta!
@@martycrow Yea I get you. It's what I see as well. Britain is badly weakened and frankly deserve to be with their consistent behaviour.
Spot on
@joe caterman , why especially? and US, Britain, or Canada?
Boris negotiated the document and signed it .... well that is a valid argument ....!
I believe its valid if a deal between the two parties are reached.
If not, no !
@@jakkyte5733 Well, the deal was reached and ratified.
@@neodym5809
New parliment, new people, less woke, less leftist infiltration, more commonsense, more reality.
@@jakkyte5733 😂🤦♂️ how can you possibly use that silly little argument. Its been a right wing country for 11 + years now. Bojo/cummings panders to this anti 'woke' agenda with their lies and tabloid propaganda. You are a loser.
@@jakkyte5733 You silly boy: It is the *present* British "parliment" that voted for the Withdrawal Agreement. "Frosty" had renegotiated it and "Boris" signed it!
The 1% of EU laws in this country are to do with immigration and European Tax Laws, Brexit was always meant to be a “no deal” outcome because the rich people of the UK still want to be able to use the Isle of Wight and the Caymen Islands as tax havens!
Have you ever noticed that all the tax havens in the world have a little Union Jack in the corner of their flags?
Short answer: There never was one.
Long answer: There never was one.
Short answer. There is one.
Long answer. It is still on the table. The EU is to backward to take it.
Trump losing has destroyed Johnson's dream of a trade deal with the US that was intended to damage the integrity of the EU's single market with environmentslly damaging GMO's and sub-standard imported American food and drink crossing the open border in Ireland unchecked forcing the EU and Ireland to put up the customs border to stop it, and then blame the EU and Ireland for ripping up the GFA and the troubles returning. Even though it really would have been Johnson and Trump's fault with their treaty breaking deal enabled by the internal market bill.
So glad the internal matket bill (by tearing up the withdrawal agreement) that was intended to accomodate a trade deal with Trump allowing goods (including all those American sourced) travelling check free between GB and Republic of Ireland is now a busted flush.
Johnson will be at fault and will be seen as being clearly at fault so be can't get away with shifting the blame on others one of these days surely.
@@Moordown27
The EU aren't ever going to compromise 100%-0% towards the internal market bill if that's what you're meaning.
There's nothing for the EU to compromise on in terms of trade all the way between GB and the Republic of Ireland. Northern Ireland will not be dragged out of the single market and the customa union. Johnson signed the withdrawal agreement after all. And what is supposed to happen from Jan 1 was already clearly stated on the documents Johnson signed becomes law that must be strictly adhered to 100% from the very first second, tradd deal or no trade deal.
@@dvidclapperton I've read this through a couple of times. There's a lot of sour grapes here. It seems to be trying to put all the blame of a no deal Brexit on the UK. The internal market bill is not a busted flush, it is being ratified by parliament as we speak. And only when it is actually used, does the UK break any international laws. Only a no deal with the EU will activate it. A free trade deal with the EU will make it unwanted.
It will be the EU's fault if border checks are introduced. The UK thinks that border checks will be unnecessary and the UK say they themselves wont be installing any border check points. If border check points are installed it will have been Ireland and the EU that installed them. The EU rules may cause trouble
If the troubles do start up again (crass stupidity), then put the blame where it will surely lie, lay the blame not on the UK or Ireland, but squarely at the door of what's left of the I.R.A. Can the IRA be that stupid? I hope not.
Your first paragraph, is full of sour grapes. Nobody has to do this Nobody has to do that.
And as for the USA sending us substandard food and drink, I am reminded of the time the beef that the UK bought from Europe, turned out to be horse meat. If that not sub-standard imported food, then what is.
@@dvidclapperton Time to get real. A trade deal would be nice. But a "no deal" is not scary. And how do you know what Northern Ireland want's or doesn't want.
My preference is a no deal. Much better all round than a deal. No arguments then about who owns the fish and who's waters are who's. We buy and sell to each other with tariffs (20% on cars) The UK will clean up. Every one here will staycation, the UK is a lovely country. All the money UK tourists normally spent in Italy, Spain, Greece and France etc, will be spent at home or in more friendly and cheaper country's. Wow I can visualise the money piling up. Phew!!
If Westminster has the power to decide on it's own to tear up an agreement made by two parties, then so does the government in Scotland to do the damned same and demand their independence as an independent state from the UK
Yes. Yes. And both should happen.
Uk want the EU to bend the rules for our own satisfaction while EU just want to protect the integrity of the market... we are laughing stock by just playing the blaming game !!!
UK would be happy with the same terms the EU agreed with Canada
@@Piechipsbeans But this is not in the EU`s interest. And the UK has no right to get it.
@@neodym5809 He said the UK want the EU to bend the rules for our own satisfaction. How is wanting the same deal the EU agreed with Canada bending the rules? I think the UK have every right to expect the same terms if not better since our trade is worth a lot more.
@@Piechipsbeans No the UK wouldn't because they are tailored to the Canadian market
@@Piechipsbeans Why would the UK be entitled to anything? The days of the Empire are over.
This 'oven-ready' deal looks increasingly like a recipe for chicken sushi.
Martin Howe is deliberately misunderstanding how this agreement was reached. As Hillary Ben said, the UK freely entered into this deal as a sovereign country, including the resolution process, and thus consented to the processes to change the deal. They cannot now say that they are unhappy with the deal that they decided to sign and unilaterally change it. If they do that, they will be unable to agree trade deals with any other country or trading bloc on the face of the Earth.
Rubbish - Do you not think that the rest of the World haven't noticed the spiteful ways of the EU?
@@heolonnen The UK signed a treaty fully aware of its contents. They are now trying to get out of those commitments while trying to insist that the EU needs to uphold their end of the deal. That is not the EU being spiteful it is the current UK government trying to break a law they passed.
@@heolonnen The UK signed a treaty fully aware of its contents. They are now trying to get out of those commitments while trying to insist that the EU needs to uphold their end of the deal. That is not the EU being spiteful it is the current UK government trying to break a law they passed.
you were always an independent state stop being so hysterical ffs
They hate being oppressed by EU laws but love the idea of WTO laws lol
@John A Doe Nobody, anywhere is ruled by the EU, it is simply not possible with the treaties currently in place.
Johnson's 'oven ready deal' has gone up in flames.
Yup. It burnt. ☺
using a flame thrower isnt a smart action...!
UK should pay ROI for the new cost of border check, ROI people are innocent.
No, the EU should pay. It's at their insistence.
No, the UK signed an agreement binding in international law, not to have such a border.
If you struggle to understand that, the US Congress will help you to understand it, in your bilateral trade negotiations with the US.
@@genghisthegreat2034 the agreement? Boris tears it. There will be a no deal Brexit, ROI and NI will have hard border.
@@chenboya7223
Then goodluck trying to avoid the IRA's bombs going off when you want to go to the city centre to get your shopping in.
Breaking contracts because you can do what you want, can't be good for London's standing as a financial hub.
@joe caterman you are unilaterally altering a signed contract.
That's called breaking it.
Parts of the withdraw agreement meant Northern Ireland would of been part controlled by the EU in a no deal situation, damn right we tear it up, our laws comes first over international law.
@@cupoftea4787 then there I no border between EU and UK.
Meaning that goods can easily be smuggled into the EU through Ireland and that is a big no-no (and the other way around, people can be smuggled in the UK through Ireland.)
@@meneither3834 I'm talking about the fact that food products that come from the rest of the UK to Northern Ireland would still have EU oversight, again the EU trying to still control parts of the UK which is not happening and the government have seen this issue in the withdraw agreement.
@@cupoftea4787 I don't think you understand.
You need to put a border somewhere between the UK and the EU, this was the whole point of Brexit, and BJ signed the backstop which put this border between GB(island) and Northern Ireland. By backtracking on it, you get back to square one, so where is the f*ing border ?
Also, why did BJ sign the f*ing agreement if there was an issue with it, can you guys ever be trusted for anything ?
Living as a Dane in Denmark there’s a few questions I would like to ask you Brits about in connection with Brexit and a no deal scenario.
I can obviously understand that the possibility of a no deal scenario is the main news (with corona as well)
What I cannot really understand is how divided people seems to be.
Seen at a distance by me here from Denmark a no deal could give 2 very different different outcome.
The scenarios I can foresee are
1: No deal Brexit is a hugely successful. Britain rises to former glory and inspire people around the world.
2: Brexit is a huge failure. The UK suffers a major setback and within 2 years the British government will have to knock on doors in Bruxelles asking for return ticket back into the Union.
So now my question is why are you so divided? These scenarios are not the end of the world. I am sure you are always welcome back in if it doesn’t work out. If you are a Leaver then I suggest you find a Remainer and share a pint of beer, milk or tea together with her or him.
Always look on the bright side of life.
Because #1 won't happen and #2 will... when a bunch of people want to vote you into oblivion, there's gonna be division.
Our lying mainstream media. Most of us fact check everything.
@@samuelgreen2443 that's your opinion and I see plenty of people who don't see a no deal brexit as being driven into oblivion. Your language is part of the problem thats causing the division in the UK.
The reason Britons are so divided is because we are divided everywhere else in life. Class, educational, racial, cultural, historical and linguistic division rule and govern British society. I, a middle class, white, left leaning suburbanite, hardly ever meet people outside of my demographic because that’s just what British society is like. I’m half Italian, and while most of these divisions are the similar in Italy, they don’t necessarily dictate the daily lives of my equivalents as much. The logical conclusion is that we will also be divided on political lines as well.
I do not know what this all about.
The argument to leave as far as I can tell is to restore Britain back to when "Britain was Britain" I in my mid 30's have no idea what this means.
From what I've seen of pre EU membership is a life of constant worker strikes, poor living and working conditions and less EU nationals having residency.
Since we joined the EU, social housing had to be bought up to standard and various other laws where implemented that have bought great benefit to us.
I am yet to be convinced otherwise that Brexit is an underlying agenda to do with racism with slogans like "take back control" "control our borders" etc etc just absolutely stinks in my opinion.
All I do know as a fact, is the majority of leave voters are going to be long dead of old age before the full effect of their vote is felt.
I'm confused and there seems to be no clarity in the reason or benefits to leave. If someone could kindly explain the benefits with facts then I would be glad to listen, but for me, this all just seems like an imminent disaster
Read some background about police funding in Britain since 1945, and you see what a ridiculous "20,000 more police officers" sign that is at the beginning from the Tory activist. Particularly since Cameron's cuts from 2010 onwards. Compare that with Blair's huge increases after 1997.
Brexiteers think that we should negotiate with the EU as equals, ignoring the fact that ONE country within the EU already has a greater economy than us. There is no reason why the EU would bend over backwards for us.
UK: you can't tell us what to do, we're a sovereign state again and no longer bound by the silly rules of this elitist members-only country club.
EU: OK. With regret, we must respectfully ask you to please get out of the jacuzzi now.
UK: Ha! we could do but remember, you need us more than we need you!
EU: Maybe so but it's gone five to midnight and it's -5 outside.
UK: Will you accept mackerel?
If you have an oven ready meal which you wish to serve, you should really consider whether it will be palatable to those you expect to eat it. I think Boris prepared a steak pie for a vegetarian guest - and I'm pretty sure he did it deliberately. Trouble is, he's unlikely to entice any future guests - i.e. his actions will not stand the UK in good stead for future negotiations.
Nope - he never had anything.
At this point I don't even understand what exactly the problem is anymore. If they want a deal, work on it. If not, don't make a drama out of it. They are just ... not efficient in any way. I wonder if the EU has to help them leaving the EU, too, while the UK curses at them for not letting them go or something like that. Just. Do. It!
Some one forget to turn on the oven or left the door open
yes the deal got out and ran away ...
You can bet it was Johnson who left the oven door open!
Oven ready, undercooked and over done at the same time.
Since we voted to leave the EU economy has expanded so much (in four years) as to make us leaving completely irrelevant to them.
I will let my employer know that I'm rewriting my contract of employment. I will give myself a 50% pay rise and I'm going to reduce my working hours to 4 hours 3 days a week. Sounds good ! Boris's doesn't want a brexit deal he wants a N.I border ,why can't people see this. He always wanted a no deal , this is how he won his majority.
The EU is asking for something unprecedented in all other free-trade agreements they have signed with other countries, nowhere do they make the demand that Canada or Japan have a level playing field or demand access to their waters. Do you call this acting in good faith?
we dont need to act in good faith - we need to get deal that work for us. same as you.
manufc 2020 The U.K. has also asked for a number of major concessions. They want haulage rights across the EU and they want paperless access into NI which is the opposite of what we promised in the withdrawal agreement.
Exactly,
What the f** are you going on about or are you a Cummings/Farage/Putin bot?
@@christopherblackburn6811 I'm sure the UK would like a lot of things, have the UK government made these points a red line
and refused to negotiate other areas unless they are agreed? Obviously the UK wants paperless access, the point of my comment was the justification of this breach of the withdrawal agreement because the EU is not negotiating in good faith. Northern Ireland was a major concession, made in the promise that the EU would act in good faith of achieving a Canada style free trade deal. That is clearly not the case , no haulage access, fine, but also no fishing access and no level playing field, let's just have Canadian terms. It's better than no deal.
"Our relationship with the EU is already very well developed. It doesn’t seem to me to be very hard … to do a free trade deal very rapidly indeed." Boris Johnson, March 2016
"I think we can strike a deal as the Canadians have done based on trade and getting rid of tariffs. It’s a very, very bright future I see" Boris Johnson, March 2016
(July 2019: UK trade envoy quits in protest over no-deal policy threatening £800m Canada agreement)
“The OECD states that: ‘trade with the EU and other countries would initially revert to a WTO MFN-basis’. This is a highly flawed assumption that not even the IN campaign seriously contemplates as a realistic possibility. Leading pro-EU campaigners have admitted the UK will strike a free trade agreement if we Vote Leave.” Vote Leave, April 2016
“there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market” Boris Johnson, June 2016
"Everybody is suddenly wrangling about the terrors of the world outside... Actually, there are plenty of people who now think the cost of getting out would be virtually nil and the cost of staying in would be very high." Boris Johnson 2016
No the problem is that the UK has still not internalized what it means not being a member of a club anymore 🙄 I don't see how having bad faith help to get more FT deals... plus jumping off the cliff is the sole option for the current PM 🙃 Rule Britania ? Well...
"Jumping of a cliff" is all we hear from people who can only quote headlines from newspapers. Original thought might be a nice thing to read. Give us some original thought, and tell us what cliff the UK is jumping off of, and tell us how it will affect the EU. Tell us how long the small dip in the UK economy will last. Do you know all these things? Are you that clever.
@@Moordown27 Jeopardizing the GFA by breaking a treaty while pretending to save it is definitely "jumping of a cliff". Pretending the opposite we are doing can even qualify as a psychiatric disorder 😪 Are Brexiters wainit a a FT deal happy to have been duped ?🙄
@@testman9541 Better get a grip man. The UK cannot leave on WTO terms and have a border separating Northern Ireland from the rest of the UK. With much foresight the UK inserted clause 38 into the treaty which enables us to legally alter the treaty if we didn't get the deep and special deal the EU promised us. At present the EU is offering the UK a second class, low quality, shoddy deal that is not acceptable to the UK . It seems the EU didn't notice the insertion of clause 38. Are they that stupid, I doubt it. They didn't think that Boris would have the guts to action it. Now they know better. The EU are not dealing with infants here, we are grown up adults, and can play hard ball, if pushed.
PS. The UK can play even dirtier if we have to. We have lots of concealed weapons.
@@Moordown27 "EU didn't notice the insertion of clause 38" 😂🤣😂 You have no clue of the difference between a treaty and a bill I see... But you lecture people about what is lawful 🙃 You must be appointed as legal advisor at #10😎 Good luck with this S5 end ...
How did the pro brexit commentator ever become a QC? He made no sense at all!
I thought the same thing. It was painful to watch and just depressing tbh
Okay can y'all explain what is a QC?
If you are a remainer he wouldn't.
The UK exports 46% of it's good to the EU, the EU can buy these goods elsewhere! If the UK loses this huge export market and is seen in the eyes of the world as breaking a signed deal - then the UK is back to post-war care packages, bc the US, Australia and China will stick with the EU!
Im not an economist but thats one of my fears... 😨
The UK can sell these goods just as easily elsewhere, so whats your point.
No you are right that is why you offer a better deal than other countries can offer, its a market.
jimjam 3267
Are they selling it elsewhere with a deal? Than they are bound to roles again. Or are they selling it with a no-deal? Than they have the same condition as with the EU in case if a no-deal.
So, Your point is what?
@@hannesrechert8789 makes no sense (maybe translation issues). UK will leave with no deal from the EU leaving us free to spend our money wherever we want. Why people think life is impossible outside of the EU is beyond me, after all its such a tiny part of the Worlds economy.
I can understand why Europeans want the UK to stay..... money.
His oven ready deal is still running in a fields.
The one and only reason for no deal being acheived is the fear of the marxists in the UN and the EU losing their power.The EU already know that if a deal is struck they would still export more goods to us than we sell to them and that people would still be able to travel to and work in the UK if they wish,it would shatter their propaganda that countries need the EU to survive and people would start to wonder why are they paying millions each year to a corrupt organisation to pay an obscene amount of officials in Brussels to sit around talking and enjoying lucrative expense accounts paid for by you,me and anybody else who works for a living in Europe.
I work with quite a few Eastern Europeans,all hardworking inteligent people,and they all dislike the EU even hough it has benifited their countries more than it has the UK.Although they are all young they still know about the horrors of over reaching dictatorial government in the form of communism.These people,by the way,are only doing jobs that some lazy benefit addicted Brits will not do
@@markabrahams2191 Sorry, unreadable.
@@markabrahams2191 What on earth are you babbling on about you right-wing nutter?
@@Morning404 Thanks for your reply but ,I am very far from a "right wing nutter".The best way I can describe myself is a libertarian, but who has concerns for humanity in general.My family is very diverse and don.t care what you are but who you are as a human being.Far right nutters worry me probably just as much as they do you,so do far left nutters because they both tend to have a lot of hate in their heart and mind.I could expand on why I dislike the EU (not Europe) but I doubt it would change your mind on how the organisation is run and how it is run is my concern
@@markabrahams2191 Your claim about Marxists being in the UN is right-wing/Libertarian rubbish.
Katarina Barley complaining about a lack of contract observance. Priceless! We don't get this type of entertainment in Germany.
Since 2016, intra EU27 trade has increased by 8%. Meanwhile intra UK-EU27 trade has gone nowhere, there's been no increase. The EU27 are already replacing UK goods and services with EU27 sources. With a crash-out (as now seems likely), the UK promptly loses the EU umbrella of 750+ trade deals _and_ gains much friction for UK-EU trade. Why BRexiters are happy with this scenario is just bonkers. Speak to people who deal with Brazil or India or Iran or China and so on, and you get endless tales of bureaucracy, customs holdups, corruption and greatly increased costs to the end user in those countries as businesses seek to reduce risks by inflating prices (UK company doubles its normal price but offers a 20% "discount" to a Russian company). Any BRexiter bleating about bureaucracy and corruption in the EU has absolutely _no idea_ what it's like in the rest of the world.
The bbc must stop worrying and have some English fish 😋
Sovereignty has nothing to do with this. It’s a very lame try by an advocate to muddy the waters.
NI will become a smugglers paradise
Until they reunite with Ireland
@@contentedbuddha Irish people are nice people, they don't want a war with UK
BBC telling the British how we should think again, No Deal, that's what we wanted all along
except it isnt at all
This seems like a fair report, could you please explain why you think this is a propaganda piece.
All it takes is a few Three. Word. Slogans. to brainwash people.
That and an incompetent socialist Labour party, tied up in Woke BS politics
He copies his good friend, Donald Trump, who does this constantly! The simple people who follow him would never understand a great number of words, so he gives them one, and it penetrates their brains!
margaret small allan yes it’s called negotiation. Why should the EU call the shots? We do what’s best for us, for a change.
The people of Ireland will not allow England to play fast and loose with them, this whole situation will not end well for the UK, shaft Ireland and you can kiss goodbye to a trade deal in America, the United States of America is Irish! Boris Johnson and this current government is just making the prospect of a United Ireland more and more inevitable.
Lol, there is a new right wing anglo alliance in the making, uk, usa, australia and Canada once Treudeu is gone
tcr333 keep dreaming mate, who would wanna do any trade deals now with the U.K when now it shows they can’t even keep to a deal they agreed & signed too, half the UK’s trade goes to the EU, a very small percentage goes to Australia & Canada regardless of who is the PM of the country! Economics is economics dude!
Spot on, there is no chance with a US deal in the congress if the U.K. or what’s left of it screws Ireland
@@andrew300169 - In fact, I actually think this was a blind sighted play by the government. There is fundamentally no way that all of these points would not have been highlighted before the agreement was signed, but they're relying on a condition which awards precedence to sovereignty in order to push this through and use it as a last minute squeeze.
In other words, it's a typical negotiating tactic. We've been down this road before, and it will once again go to the very wire and then suddenly a deal will surface. The dramatics and hyperbole in the meantime are just that though.
tcr333 09.09.20 Washington, D.C. - Speaker of the house Nancy Pelosi
The U.K. must respect the Northern Ireland Protocol as signed with the EU to ensure the free flow of goods across the border.
“If the U.K. violates that international treaty and Brexit undermines the Good Friday accord, there will be absolutely no chance of a U.S.-U.K. trade agreement passing the Congress. The Good Friday Agreement is treasured by the American people and will be proudly defended in the United States Congress.”
If Northern Ireland has to have a border with Ireland, there will be a lot of trouble, I hope you still got some Humber Pigs in stock!
There will be.
@Michael McCullagh Let's see if it gets ripped apart, I hope not but you can't trust BoJo!
Uk as realisable partner, hahahahaha..... remember what they did to east European country before WWII????
how can you negotiate without an own proposal?
There are not and never have been negotiations. The EU decided what it wanted immediately before the referendum was held and they haven't budged.
True the EU haven't! come up with any proposals just demands
@@superduper9357 well, here are the EU proposals. Where are the UKs? ec.europa.eu/info/european-union-and-united-kingdom-forging-new-partnership_en
@@superduper9357 They abslotely have. The UK didn't have an answer aside from shouting NO! and FISH! and produced ZERO counterproposals in writ of their own. Pathetic.
@@PanglossDr Liar!
Just remember who brought you this deal. The Tories. Not the EU
Pfff...The drama these Brexiteers make off it. They act as vicims all the time. It's about a membership the U.K decided first to join & now to keave, No one forced them into anything..
I know right! they're such drama queens in a perpetual victim mode. Brexiteers this mess was all explained before the vote. You get what you asked for.
Lol! Why are you guys celebrating like this is new? The Gauls (French), Britannia (British), Celts, and all the northern tribes have been fighting like this before Julius Caesar invaded them.
They just have nicer clothes after being civilized by ancient Rome...
Waking up this morning I found myself completely overwhelmed as I had not foreseen so many replies.
I will try to reply individually to as many of you as I can over the next few days but it will not be at Lewis Hamilton’s pace as the days are working days. But allow me to share a few thoughts.
In Denmark there is a saying, or it’s probably more correct to call it a joke, which goes something like this:” If a country’s name contains the words “ Democratic or/and Free” then one can be certain that the country is neither democratic nor free!” Now I fear the same in the future could be said about countries containing the word “United “ That United actually comes to mean Divided. Poor UK poor USA 😔
This must not happen. The importance is not to agree on everything with everyone. Fight for leaving or staying but at the end of the day stay together and support one and another. Don’t digg trenches deeper than they need to be. You will all need one and another in all aspects of life, from social reforms to renovation of the local church. Everything goes easier if one respects one and another.
And remember if Brexit turns sour you are always welcome back into the EU.
Well done Tories. The UK is now a World-class pariah State!
It’s a world class asshole now!
It just keeps going on and on. Easily the most boring thing ever to happen.
A lot more engaging than covid 19
I disagree, this is all incredibly entertaining.
Oh how the mighty (as they see themselves) have fallen.
I'm delighted the entire world in the 21st century can see clearly what the UK is.
If it was oven ready, it's a pity that the ingredients were not properly checked and that the oven worked!
How about, brexiteers have not internalized that the UK is bigger and will not compromise the single market over a UK deal
Come one remain told you brexiteers about this, but you said project fear, they need you more than you need them, uk hold all the cards
So what happened to the cards?? Got burned in the oven? Or microwave?
We didn’t vote for a deal we voted too leave that’s it
Every leave protagonist promised full access to the common market. So try not lie.
Thanks for adding a comment that has nothing to do with the story
@@fergalbannon4614 didn’t say that when voting tho did it we voted to leave wto
Fergal nope we never cared for the common market. .. we knew the rest of the world offered a much more robust future proofed market to deal with. The EU is collapsing, the common market is a losing ticket.
@@fergalbannon4614 Wrong, every remainer was on the tele stating if we leave the EU we leave the single market and all it's "benefits"
Yeah but, Blue passports 🥴
Can't believe the discussion is now at the level where the UK diplomats don't know what a signed contract means.
'We are now an independent state' - you've always been an independent state, you plonker. Britain being a partner in the EU never changed that. Historically, Britain has gone around the world stealing other countries' independence through colonisation, so it's ridiculously rich of Britain to claim to be the victim as a partner at the EU table, with a say on every issue that the EU considers. Even when Britain was outnumbered and decisions didn't go its way at the EU table, instead of accepting this and going with the majoritu vote, like a big baby, Britain usually demanded an exception be made for them so they could do its own thing...and the EU usually complied! England has been nothing but a spoilt brat and the current situation is not exception, but you shouldn't get the benefits of EU membership without the duties and respnsibilities.
Boris' mantra;" Its an oven-ready deal". Pity then that he's burned it to ashes !
When it all comes crashing down brexiteers will slink silently away to their care homes, but it's younger English people who will have to live with the international humiliation as they see their country broken up and quality of life greatly diminished.
Nice summary.
I'm right here.
And all the remoaner whining will amount to a big, fat ZILCH.
Brainwash victim. WE VOTED to leave, so live with it. Y O U L O S T .
@@civis.revixit Your life must be so much better now that we left lol
@@jasondevon481 Remoaners have to vomit their upchuck out.
They are full of piss and vinegar.
What a mess
Leave your brain thru the brexit door
Defund the biased BBC.
shut up nerd
Get your unbiased news from The Express instead.
Why biased? Because not the fascistic BS you love hearing?
@Spideog FoH The whole of the west will have to deal with a depression thanks to unresolved handling of 2008 & a 5month covid lockdown, to heap it on "brexit" is just more hysterical gibberish.
@Spideog FoH Could you explain how Canada, Mexico, Russia & 3/4 of the world have been brought into recession alongisde us due to "Brexit", please Senpai, impart more pearls of wisdom upon us.
Throwing Ireland under a bus. Smart.
Congress and the WTO would react against Britain . Biden is a Europhile.
No win for Britain.
We already won...PMSL We left.
@@cluedupukpatriot1079 No, you are still lingering in the Single Market and the Customs Union.
@@kurtgodel5236 not for long lol
@@jpw6893 Promise? And, for once, one you actually keep?
@@kurtgodel5236 can't wait to leave.
You have to ask yourself these questions.
Why would the UK risk it's standing when it comes to International trust, if the EU did not make a credible threat to cut NI off from GB food supplies?
If the EU did not intend to use this loophole as a weapon, why would they be so angry that the loop hole allowing them to do so is getting closed?
EU is under a legal agreement to meet up and negotiate, hence their reluctance to plug-pull. The EU is under no obligation to give us an exceptionally favourable deal or, in fact, any deal at all
Imagine if the EU was able to economically sanction the UK?🤔
Douwe Bloot y’all about shooting ones self in ones own foot eh?
Not necessary. The UK endeavors on sanctioning itself.
That would be quite funny considering the trade deficit. The EU would be sanctioning itself
Fritjof Valērijs they already traded tariff tit for tats with America. The EU has 400m citizens and Britain has about 65m..20 odd member states combined against little Britain. I’m pretty certain that if they sanction Britain for breaking an international agreement which is now actually international law, it would not deeply affect their economy
ᴅᴇᴀʀ ᴍʀ. ɪꜱᴀɪᴀʜ ᴅᴇʀɪɴɢᴇʀ; true. Any nation thinking they can return to being an empire when they’ve been part of a conglomerate for over 4 decades in trying to leave such entity is surely shooting itself in the foot
elect a clown and expect a circus
If it's oven ready, why put it in the microwave instad of the oven?
We need a deal or UK goes bust
Just giving the EU a bit more of a basting !
John Lennon would turn in his grave. How can u like imagine, but also feel some kind of joy about supposedly "basting" the EU. Has middle age hit u hard?
@@peterconnor94
Just following the culinary term a lot of folk are using at the moment my friend !
I AM middle aged and have the experience of living in both sovereign UK and state UK.
And i know which one i like better !!
John Lennon, a personal song writer/ singer hero of mine, but did not agree like many people at the time with his utopia policies !
@@jakkyte5733 Ah yes those glory days of economic strife were Industrial output was falling and high inflation was outstripping any wage rises, the nation was beset by constant strikes and oh yeah we had a 3 day working week to save electricty. A time when we were known as the "sick man of Europe." and we had millions unemployed. and we had to beg america for a loan in the late 60's and still had to devalue the pound. Sounds pretty shit tbh mate.
@@peterconnor94
Yes shit times it was my friend,
BUT STILL MORE PREFERABLE THAN THE SHIT THROWN TO US BY EEC/EU ?
And if that system was that great , why didnt we vote to stay in ??
And dont give me the cobblers of the 50 +'s voting us out !
Im of the generation that voted us in ! Now people have come to their senses after the experience ! (except the younger set because they know no different) !
WAKE UP and get to know your recent history my friend !
This is beyond embarrassing... The UK is humiliated
His deal was like an oven ready meal, all about speed and convenience but with no flavour or nutritional value, packed with plenty of nasty addotives.
So a lawyer can't just admit you can't tell a contractual partner simply to piss off? Are you serious?
BREXIT = time to fall down the stairs
Looks like Corbyn was spot on about Johnson.
Boris Johnson of 2019 who signed and bragged about his perfect deal should explain and discuss it with Boris Johnson of 2020 who found it unacceptable. Both Johnsons should make up their minds and agree with each other before any negotiation with the EU.
We don’t have a deal because the EU will only do a deal if we give them complete unrestricted access to our fish. But of course the BBC and remoaners blame Boris. Couldn’t possibly be their precious EU.
Boris at his best. He completely underestimated Covid and paid dearly. And now the same with Brexit.
The damage with covid has been all self inflicting across the world. The world economy shutdown for 4 months on the basis of a probably, with no debate on any alternative action. The lockdown will do more damage than the virus 😷😷
Sounds like Borsi just read his own exit deal a few months before exiting.
I am surprised by the position of Martin Howe a QC to break an agreement that was so "Enthusiastically" signed by the UK government (even stopping its scrutiny by the UK Parliament) . I am also surpised by those naive Brexiters who still believe that the EU will modify its rules (on trade, on standards, on competition) agreed by ALL the representatives of 500 million Europeans just to please mad Brexiters. Such a refusal to modify its rules is labelled as obstructing / blocking negotiations. EU never said this part was open for negotiations. When Brexiters run out of arguments, then it is the EU who fails to recognize the UK as a "Sovereign Costal State".
Well the EU is a sovereign coastal CONTINENT. No acrimony if the UK does like the EU rules, that is very fine. Go do business elsewhere.
I will say that as an American the UK's behaviour is not looking good! You will need to behave better if you expect the world's greatest country to work with you! Remember you need us and not the other way round! USA!
I can’t believe BoJo lied! Who could have seen this coming??
‘Let’s not dive into technicalities’ sums up the BBC pretty well.
Because the technicalities are pointless, should the UK actually renege on the WA, it will have no credibility internationally. These Brexiteers keep saying 'the EU need to respect UK as independent' as if being independent will somehow change what the EU wants. What the EU will asked for was clear in broad strokes and remains the same for 4 years. If you don't want to accept it, all you have to do is tell them and no-deal it will be. But all UK does is made vapid, empty, feckless threat as if it will somehow get you something. About time they drop UK from their agenda, there's far better things to do.
"Northern Ireland Secretary Brandon Lewis conceded it would go against the treaty in a "specific and limited way". www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-54073836
AKA - The *"you're only meant to blow the doors off"* defence - when the whole thing goes tits up, you've got egg on your face but there's a chance you can brazen it out by blaming the other fella.
To uphold integrity you must first have some integrity, something you lack boris!
hahaha Did he say "George Useless" at the end there?!
Eu negotiations are this is how we want it , they do not negotiate they demand and if you don't give them what they demand you're being unreasonable.
What happened to the oven ready Brexit? The label on the pack said 80 degrees C. But the EU tried to set the oven at 200 degrees C.
The mantra No deal is better than a bad deal has been stated since the end of brexit vote and before.
It therefore is a conclusion that they always wanted no deal. I believe the establishment have gone through this charade exactly to deliver this narrative.
Rule britannia, britannia waives the rules.......
Oh, this is so funny. The UK is crying like little brat when it finds out it is not up to playing soccer with the big boys.
@joe caterman Well the reality is you have renaged in a signed document because you finally read it and see that it leaves you at a disadvantage. Take your cake and eat it. Deal with your own problems you have created Britain.
@joe caterman Watch and learn. 445m people with an economy of 16.8tn do not take orders from 65m people with an economy of 2.8tn.
@@simoncolombo6640 Let's face it out of all the countries in the EU, Britain was the most devestating for the EU to lose, the EU are desperate for a level playing field as they don't want competition with Britain, that scares them the most, they fear Britain and they bloody know it ✌
@@cupoftea4787 No, Germany would be the most devastating country to lose. Losing the UK is like losing France.
However, certainly it is a loss, not our choice. The UK had assets that were good for our team. Also, the UK certainly is about the only country to survive outside the EU in the current century of the Asian giants, because of its role in the anglosphere.
And evidently the competitive situation will be different, hence the level playing field etc. because the EU is not going to engage in deregulatory competition.
In case of the type of deregulatory policy that Brexit requires in order to be a success, the UK can compete from behind a tariff and regulatory barrier together with China. I heard three years ago that the EU's strategy was to hug the UK tight or chuck it out as far as possibile when the UK was still fantasising about having all the cards. I'm expecting no deal. No deal has always been better than a bad deal for the EU.
Get us out. No deal.
THEY WANTED TO LEAVE NOW THEY'RE SCARED
The 27+3 countries in Europe, forming the EU have secured the existence of my life in peace and prosperity. Would I ever give up the EU.. never ever possible!
his mouth is moving HE IS LYING
When the UK Govt negotiated a deal in good faith with the EU and then the EU use that good faith offered to try to threaten the UK by blocking food exports/deliveries to NI and effectively cutting off and divided up our nation, then you can only expect that the UK Govt. in the interests of the union and all its people's, to re-act in the only way it can by creating law so that the EU cant carry out their threats. The EU still looks at the UK as being part of the EU which we are not. The Govt. must stay strong and they will. The remain element including the BBC and this report show to me how leaving out information in their reports is biased towards remain. Sad, because as a result the BBC will now have to go fund itself. If they had got behind Brexit they may be able to expect more support for people to pay the TV License cost, but they didnt, and with look we wont have to watch the British Bullshit Corporation for much longer.
If I bought an oven ready turkey for Christmas from Tesco and it turned out that I had to go to the farm, slaughter it and prepare it for cooking would Tesco have to refund my money? Or would they just keep my money and forget about it?