As a woman, I would feel very unsafe if an abuser who literally admitted in front of the court to hitting their victim and calling their victim a baby for not taking the physical assault would have won the case.
What do you mean? If she got away with it, it would be because she is a woman. How does that make you feel unsafe "as a woman"? Or are you talking about a hypothetical where this happened to you and roles were reversed?
This was a win for victims of domestic abuse, regardless of gender. The overwhelming number of female victims of domestic abuse I have seen actually resonate with Johnny Depp because they see their abuser in Amber and her behaviour.
Not really though, as this was simply a defamation lawsuit and not a criminal case. Basically says that if you're a victum of domestic abuse you'll only really get justice if your abuser over reaches in their defence of their actions.
@@dustyfox6511 im aware it was only a defamation case and no criminal charges are levied, but it's definitely a win to me in that it sets a precedent in public opinion to hopefully lesten the stigma around men being victims, and gives hope that any victim of abuse who is villainised by their abuser or anyone who has been falsely accused of such a thing is able to fight for their right to the truth. Although it would be better if such heinous false allegations were never made, six years later he was able to tell the truth about what happened on such a global stage and it definitely made an impact on the issue.
oh yeah, definite win for victims with a case that says if you talk about the abuse you experienced without even mentioning the person's name, you can be sued for slander. def big win for victims for sure yeah totally
i vividly remember watching ur stream when you saw a comment saying, "whats your ideal verdict" and you just laughed and said something along the lines of, "the truthful one... going into any trial with a bias is unjust." I liked how you handled the whole thing.
@@HydratedOats Oof, didn't know he was that bad. Jk... classic journalism was great but it seems to be very rare these days when it comes to major issues.
My boss (male) was physically and definitely mentally abused by his previous and alcohol addicted partner (female). The worst part after the divorce he hardly ever gets to see his kids even though this psycho lady has followed him around when he was in custody stalking him and their kids. This is a step in the right direction for all that are abused.
As a 28 year-old woman, who listened to the recordings of Amber admitting she hit Johnny years ago, I was extremely grateful to people covering the trial and am very happy with the verdict, as all of the evidence I became aware of during it have only confirmed what I believed after hearing her challenge him to tell the world and see if they believe him.
"i can't believe the entire world watched an abuser hide as a victim and get outed, this is so damaging to the victims" no? this is a huge win for victims
@@Smelly556 it's a mixed bag. Some people are going to be believed when their abusers play victim. Others are going to called into question for being the victim to begin with
@@Smelly556 Yeah. I know. But.. there's always been some. People have been victim blaming for forever. It's why we've got the term. I jsut hope at the bare minimum this has opened people's eyes that sometimes the abuser also crys foul. At least more than it gives people doubt
As a 22 year old male victim of slander, physical, and mental abuse from a former female partner, thank you for covering this case. It needed the coverage.
Her concern was that a victim of abuse got their life destroyed by the media but this is literally what happened to Johnny. All this case was a rebalancing of Amber's lies.
I agree that Johnny should win the case, and that the DM is kinda stupid. at the same time… I think it’s inevitable that this case will lead to a larger amount of people being rude about other female abusers. basically I think it will rule up a nasty vocal minority. but that’s just AH’s fault for trying to lie through the whole case, really unfortunate.
Honestly yeah, making content out of it was not like shaking hands with the devil imo tbh but damn the people that exploited it is a whole another case
"I've been in an abusive relationship, and it fucking sucks." ludwig you delivered this line so upbeat that I almost started laughing. I wish I could use the same tone when talking about my experiences
FYI, "beyond a shadow of a doubt" is only for criminal trials. In civil court, its just preponderance of evidence, which basically means "more likely than not", or a >50% likelyhood of being true.
FYI, "beyond a shadow of a doubt" is not a standard in any level of case. "Beyond a reasonable doubt" is the standard - the minor language difference actually matters in court. Think: 95% chance you did X crime might be sufficient to a jury to convict under reasonable doubt but beyond a shadow of doubt would require >99.9% chance you did it to convict.
Also worth noting that in this case the standard for several of the counts was a Clear and Convincing Evidence standard. This standard is more rigorous than the Preponderance of the Evidence standard but less rigorous than the Beyond a Reasonable Doubt standard.
As valid as the DM you received may be, my biggest gripe with it is this - "the amount of ridicule and harassment she has had to deal with is beyond comparable. I can't imagine what victims of abuse feel like watching someone's life get bulldozed by the media." Now, harassment is wrong, of course it is, but to say Amber heard is the victim in this situation, when Johnny Depp received ridicule & harassment for years despite him being the REAL abuse victim is outrageous. My friends that are victims of abuse themselves were all very glad & relieved the case went the way it did, as it was a win for them too.
Hearing the tapes where she basically confesses and the verdict definitely felt good but… did the media frenzy feel good? I dunno. Honestly the overwhelming vitriol and one sidededness felt creepy and honestly did not feel good at all. It really filled me with dread and a premonition that this is not gonna be good for society, even if it maybe was justice. Maybe.
As someone from the U.K., if the sun told me the sky was blue, I’d have to look up to make sure. They’ve infamously blamed victims in the past, such as Liverpool fc supporters in the Hillsborough disaster, calling them murderers. How they continue to publish is beyond me, British media is absolutely awful and protected
The press is protected for sure, press shouldn’t be suppressed. However, if you choose to partake in tabloid papers you’re just searching to confirm prejudices and viewpoints you already believed in, and they know this and so keep topics to surface level rage baiting. They lost the court case because he couldn’t prove otherwise, the people who choose to believe the take from a shady source in the first place is their own fault.
@@xXNIDSXx while this is a fair point, the shady sources shouldn’t be allowed to do anything like that in the first place, irrespective of who’s fault it is if they were to believe it
As a woman, I have to say I think you covered this case respectfully. There were times where I was disappointed in the way chat behaved. But it seemed to be handled well. Abuse is a touchy subject no matter who did what. Someone’s a victim and it’s never okay. I agree Johnny was more than likely abused by Amber.
As a woman and victim of abuse by my own mother who reminded me so much of Amber Heard I could barely watch outside clips from streamers reacting. Even family members who know her said she is exactly like Amber in behavior ect. The coverage was needed and I truly can't understand how people side with Amber. People did that to me irl and believe my mothers lies, isolated me and spread misinformation about what has happened without hearing my side of things. But I bet if I had said it was my father doing the things she has done they would have listened and helped me. The double standard has to end. This case showed that abuse can come from anyone and anyone can be abused. As an abuse victim I am happy more people are aware abuse can come from anyone and victims had a win today.
As a victim of domestic violence, I was very happy to see you and other content creators covering this trial. This was an important moment for all DV survivors and deserved as much attention as possible.
It wasn't a DV trial. Johnny Depp is absolutely an abuser and this has been well established. It was a defamation trial. All that was proven here was that Amber made Johnny lose work. Not that he isn't an abuser too.
As a female victim of SA and abuse the person who dm'd you doesn't HAVE to imagine what it feels like, she can just literally ask us. Johnny was abused and he deserved to win this trial. It feels good to see an abuse survivor get a win.
Highly disagreed with the DM on several factors: 1) you didn't contribute hate towards any gender by streaming the court hearing, Court cases aren't copyrighted material which allows for it to be streamed without an authority (correct me if i'm wrong) 2) It was Important to cover the case for the male survivors of abuse regardless of your personal stands. so the next time a guy comes forward he won't be ridiculed and told to "suck it up and man up" like Doctor Phil did on his show!. The lady who DMed you is definitely biased 3) "Nobody would believe female survivors of the abuse" is a shallow gut reaction to this case... It wasn't about "men vs women", it was simply about a victim of abuse who happens to be male who dared to come forward against his abuser a female. 4) "Whether you believe it all not, the amount of hate she got is insane", First of all, Not condoning the hate and harassment she received but she brought this onto herself, She attempted to destroy a man's career with most of her LIES, I'm not even a fan of Johnny Depp but that man was scrutinized for 7 years by media and everyone pro-Amber, The hate she's receiving now is undoubtedly karma biting her back. I rarely saw anyone on Twitter defending Johnny until the tapes were brought to public's eyes. Loud people on Twitter like to argue that "we should ALWAYS support the victims", but when it's time to support a male survivor.... Their biased side shows up. I've seen many many videos of women destroying men's properties... Hell... *Jennifer Lawrence* publicly admitted to beating a guy in a bar, pouring alcohol into his suitcase and poked fun at him while he cried, on Seth Meyer's show, she got away clean with some chuckles and giggles from audience... Look up "Jennifer Lawrence Brawl fight" on CZcams. Really quick, i wanna share 2 stories: my neighbor (a late 40s early 50 something man) is married to and tolerated a woman who kept manipulating him for years. She even tried to strangle her own daughter once over a freaking argument with neighbor My uncle has dated a woman for 4 years who promised to marry him but was actually dating him to milk every penny out of him, She manipulated my uncle and used HIS money to buy herself the most premium and luxury items to brag about until my uncle was in debt. Then she poor shamed him and ran away with some other dude! All you did was supported the victim of a domestic abuse and provided commentary based on your knowledge on the source that was publicly available to audience but they chose to watch YOU because they like and trust you. Thank you for reading this far. I appreciate it.
Well said thank you! I knew her clear bias when I read the whole message. It surprising how bitter and petty these people are to think that female abuse is greater than male abuse, disgusting.
@@Saif_theFox Indeed! It's an age old tactic of guilt tripping someone else for their differing opinions just because they don't look at the world or a particular situation through the same lenses as they themselves would do.
Completely agree with the points you made. I think Lud can be overcritical of himself in these situations; a lot of people would read that message and see that it is clearly biased but Lud seems to treat it as fact and blame himself even though an overwhelming majority of his viewers think he has done nothing untoward.
The trial was supposed to determine whether Heard committed defamation against Depp, specifically libel by implying (note: never outright stating Depp's name) in her op-ed that Depp abused her by writing along the lines that she had been abused. That's it. It wasn't supposed to determine who was the aggressor of the abuse since that didn't matter as to whether what Heard wrote was indeed libel. Just one provable instance of Depp abusing Heard would qualify her statement as being true under the lens of the US legal system; considering she never wrote in that piece that Depp had abused her countless times. Just that she had been abused herself.
I disagree with that DM you got, Ludwig. This case needed the coverage because of how many people still believe men can't be victims of abuse. Charlie did a really good video today about this where he talks more in depth about that. Also in regards to the UK Trial, I think a lot of people don't know about the corruption behind it... the judge's son literally worked for the newspaper Johnny was suing, he was never going to win.
There is just as much corruption with the constant wave of press surrounding amber, the jury being bombarded with that can't have made their decision more unbiased, as we saw with the decision.
Wouldn’t say you were “just a vehicle” for people to watch it, think a lot of people wouldn’t sit and watch the case by itself as they’d get bored. They watch people like lud react as it adds some more entertainment and keeps them engaged for hours on end. And in Luds case he also added to the discussion explaining stuff that might have gone over peoples heads, as well as bringing in other articles and cases
Its probably better that there are multiple people and their opinions in circulation in one place like ludwigs stream so everyone gets a fair chance to learn about what's going on.
@@viggojohansson3912 you wanna watch but you still would’ve got your information from Twitter and Tiktok people. It’s not like if you didn’t watch the stream you were never going to find out what was happening In the case
"It sets back the idea that violence against women is to be taken seriously." My brother in Christ you just lost a defamation case because of that exact same statement. It really just shows that those who suffer from narcissistic personality disorder cannot accept change or defeat even after they faced the consequences of their actions.
"I can't even imagine what victims of abuse feel like watching someone's life get bulldozed by the media." So I guess that wasn't a problem when it was Johnny Depp on the receiving end huh? How about instead of worrying how bad the abuser feels, how about we think about how it must feel for all the male victims to see this win and be encouraged to speak up. That was an absolutely shit take and there's nothing wrong with covering a public case like this.
and she has only had a few months of hate while he has had years. And the hate for him was invalid since he is the victim. Her hate is justified because she chose to take the actions that got her hated
"So I guess that wasn't a problem when it was Johnny Depp on the receiving end huh?" EXACTLY, and you see it even in this Comment section, "we shouldn't be mean, we should be unbiased, bla bla bla". I can't fucking hear it, after what JD has gone through. "That was an absolutely shit take and there's nothing wrong with covering a public case like this" - 100%, if you don't rub situations like this into people faces, nothing will ever change.
@@gehtdichnichtsan2418 Considering how much shit was rubbed into people's faces about metoo, you bet your dam ace I'm going to rub it in how fucking disgusting their denial of that shit can be
I think if your coverage was honest, thoughtful, and constructive, then there was nothing wrong from making "content" out of this trial. This was a cultural moment. You are an influencer. As long as you are using your voice to create clarity and not stoke anger, your content is a better source than many. Most of the viewers you got would have watched others. And most others talking about the trial just pick a side and cherry pick any details to entrench in their own beliefs. Though, take what I say with a grain of salt. I think I saw thirty minutes of one of your streams and otherwise didn't follow this story...
In Australia it’s been covered relentlessly. Whilst the case is significant, thank your countries media for not being obsessed with tabloid-related issues 🤣
Hey Lud. I actually remember thinking, on one of your other coverage days of the case, how much different your coverage was then everyone else. You were explaining certain things very well and tried your best to not take sides. Whereas other people were just trying to rip AH.
Your coverage of this trial was fine. I think a subsection of the world at large is just going to be offended by the trial result and considering the nature of the case I think people will just be slightly over emotional with regards to it. If Amber Heard is innocent then she has one of the least believable true stories I've ever come across. None of her story lined up with any evidence and she seemed pathological about many things, compulsive lying to keep up with a twisted narrative being one to note. However, I don't think some of the coverage on the case has been great as there are a lot of zealous types covering this trial and a lot of toxic men bubbling on the surface b/c it is more acceptable to throw rotten food at this particular woman. That said, I don't think ludwig was a negative energy in the space, when it comes to this trial.
To be fair, the UK trial wasnt asking the question, "Did Johnny abuse Amber?" The question was "Did The Sun have reason to believe what Amber had told them?" which is why that case would have been near impossible to win cause at the time...there was no reason NOT to believe her.
Not really. The case was asking "is there enough evidence that he beat her", which it was proven there was (since most of the claims were declared proven). The difference is that Amber Heard acted like an innocent victim in her article, when she clearly wasn't. That doesn't mean he didn't beat her, which is all The Sun claimed. He was violent. But her article was incredibly misleading and written in a way to make herself look like she did nothing wrong and was just an innocent victim of random violence, which was untrue.
@@tensemurm5924 "which it was proven there was (since most of the claims were declared proven)." love these statements. You do realise, if this "Evidence" actually existed, we would have seen it in the US Trial? Or was the presented evidence in the US Trial, the evidence that was presented in the UK Trial? Either way it shows that the UK Trial was kinda weird, especially when in the first 5/14 statements, the Judge ruled in favor of the Sun because the STORY was more likely. Dunno the UK Trial feels like an Anomaly, if the US Trial showed all of her best evidence.
@@gehtdichnichtsan2418 The two trials were looking at different things - they are not directly comparable. Both trials can have different but correct outcomes.
Thanks for covering this. I wasn't about to watch the court every day, and felt you kept things civil. Whenever your chat threatened to get wacky, you'd breath some calm into them. I appreciated how you voiced your opinion about specific pieces of evidence, but when asked to pick a side you would call out how inappropriate that question is, and how it's for the jury to decide.
There's a lot to be criticized about the general coverage and reactions to this trial, and while I've had mixed feelings about streamers covering it and don't know where I'd put it in a morality scale, I definitely think you were on the better, saner side of it. You could've heavily capitalized by leaning hard into the Amber hate, but instead you remained neutral, told chat to chill tf out when they got weird with the overt hate/simping/overanalyzing, asked them to actually *listen* to the court case, cracked down on people who just wanted you to say what they wanted to when you were trying to be unbiased, etc. The person who dm'ed you is allowed to feel uncomfortable, but I also wouldn't be surprised if they didn't watch the streams. (Also I'm sorry you went through that, no one should go through shit like that
I thought the way you covered it was very respectful. You came in with an open mind and heard all the evidence. You didn’t call Amber rude names or constantly make fun of her and you didn’t stand for people in chat who were way too far up Johnny’s ass. You acknowledged that both had flaws and came to a conclusion based on the evidence provided in the trial. I think you handled it a lot better than other streamers and most of the internet.
Gotta say I love how smoothly you do these videos. Each time you switch to any video or website it's seamless and you know exactly where to draw attention. The dedication to making these videos easily digestible while not doing so at the cost of leaving out key points of information is really great. And it's impressive that you're doing it through more or less all presentation skill
The case was public and anyone could watch it, so who cares how they watch it? What makes a creator making money from covering the trial any different from a news network doing it? having more choice in the way to consume entertainment and information only seems positive to me
That was just an excuse because she was biased on one side or the other. Pettiness is what that message was. What difference does it make if someone covers the topic if anything it brings awareness to male victims of abuse and thats what clicked it, she is biased for amber so now that Johnny won she is bitter about it. But if it was a women you would see her praising him everyone has an agenda and she had the pettiness to comment about stremers patheitic
The problem wasn't her lawyers, it was her. She fabricated a story based on lie upon lie and kept altering it on the stand. No lawyer would be able to defend someone who doesn't even have their story straight.
Yep, it was impossible for her lawyers to win, she couldn’t keep her lies straight for more than a couple of minutes, before breaking it and contradicting herself
I'm glad you're willing to contemplate this dm instead of just brush it off. I don't think it matters whether the dm is right or not but the fact that you're receptive to earnest concerns is really cool and shows you're not trying to just use the trial for personal gain.
That DM fails to realize that ACTUAL victims scored a major win and now see liars and abusers can be overcome. Thier bias for amber has blinded them to the win victims actually got with this victory. Amber is a proven liar,a proven abuser and deserves all the backlash she has gotten. And when it comes to JD threatening her I'm gonna quote/paraphrase Amber's own expert "if you hit ,hurt or be verbally coarse to someone in the process of trying to escape them hurting you that is not DV" (they may have actually said IPV but it amounts to the same). It's actually insane to me that people blindly follow and defend people solely based on their gender in spite of the evidence. As a survivor of female on male abuse this court case has restored a tiny bit of my hope for the world.
They don't fail to realize anything. They aren't biased towards amber, you're just biased towards Depp, as you admit in this comment. You don't realize that suing someone into silence and shaming them publicly has terrible ramifications for abuse victims. Depp also abused Amber. That was proven. You've been swayed by the massive media campaign to make Depp the hero and amber the villain, when it's much more gray than that.
True, its like evidences presented on the court isn't true and they are just pointing fingers for no reason. It was debated for 6 weeks in court for god's sake.
These people are so weird. Seeing everything from one side and hyper empathizing with only women, a powerful and rich one at that. Like get a better job than watching Twitch then lol.
I like the new content on this channel. I think it is a service you are doing to the world as content creators are kinda at least overall public opinion wise known for their bad influence. it's nice to see a down-to-earth and real person who can give their well-meaning opinion and kind of mold the future generation for the better. You've kinda become like a second charlie in a way where you project your own values from your own experience onto a subject/issue to inform and help be a lubricant for the issues of the world. And I just want to say thank you for that.
I was in a really really toxic relationship not so long ago. The girl was extremely toxic and abusive. She would physically, emotionally, and mentally abuse me. Nobody believed me, because “men can’t be abused”…. This trial and this victory for Johnny is definitely a win to show that men too can be abused and that actions have consequences
it will change nothing. the only reason Jhonny won is because hes a beloved movie star.. do you honestly think you would have gotten the same outcome if you went to trial with the same evidence.. no the majority of people, both men and women will at least subconsciously still believe that men cant be abused or at least they cant be abused in a serious matter like women can. its all social conditioning, phrases like men don't cry, or, take it like a man, that i still hear on a daily basis online, tells us that nothing has or will change.
@@noobmasters6913bruh have you looked at the evidence it’s clear as day she’s lying and beat him he may have said some harsh words back but she did more and worse and she’s a gold digger
@@noobmasters6913 can’t you see?! The steps to change! We are human beings with feelings and emotions, we can be victims too… we have been conditioned our whole lives to not let anyone see us cry Or to not let anyone see our emotions… that we will never be loved unconditionally.. This is a step for better understanding. Betterment. To be treated as though we matter… This is a huge victory, and if you’re too caught up in the storm, you’ll be lost at sea. Celebrate the small steps and be proud of being a part of history.
I wouldn't have watched any of it if it wasn't for your coverage, and I think you did a great job adding information. And I think something like this needed exposure because it was something that people wouldn't expect at first (the man being abused), so thank you for the coverage.
I feel like if it was the other way around and Depp was the villain here this sentiment of not wanting the media to blow people up wouldn't be nearly as prevalent. I also disagree about you being a replacement; Had you not covered the trial I wouldn't have watched it anyway and just looked up a conclusion, like this video
ive seen a lot of comments over the past month of DA survivors who are saying how much this trial means to them because they relate to johnny and they feel supported themselves when the public supports him (not saying the reaction toward amber couldn't hurt DA victims but this is just from what i've seen)
The thing is that I do believe that had it gone the other way given what we know now about Amber Heard's lies, that this case would have DESTROYED any chance for DA victims of the male gender to tell their stories.
@@narius_jaden215 I hadn't even considered that but wow you're so right I can't imagine how terrifying it would be to speak up after seeing someone lose a case like that
"I hope that my quest to have the truth be told will have helped others, men or women, who have found themselves in my situation, and that those supporting them never give up. I also hope that the position will now return to innocent until proven guilty, both within the courts and in the media." - Johnny Depp
Thanks for covering the trial. I think you did a very good job explaining what you knew after defamation. It’s a lot more informative that news headlines, that’s for sure
I’ve been lied about before it really means a lot to see this coverage. I’ve done some shit too and it really means a lot that people are able to understand a mistake versus a malicious attack on a persons character to hurt them. It brings a little light into this dark world, and the delivery makes it so much more amazing. Thank you so much for discussing this.
I’m so happy he won! The only thing I’m worried about are the people who will cherry pick this case to “prove” that women are lying if they report abuse. I think one should generally side with someone who says they’ve been abused, but should also learn all the information to make an as informed and unbiased opinion as you can
nah man you shouldnt side with anyone, but maybe you meant listen to them first, everyone needs to be heard, and then we should decide how to act upon evidencd
@@filmthestring6013 It's always been crazy to me that this isn't the normal opinion. In some situations it really sucks, due to lack of immediate evidence, but there isn't any other rational way to go about it.
@@Hot_Soupp I mean, if your sister came to you crying and said her boyfriend beat her, would your response be "hmm, I don't believe you yet. Convince me"? No, hopefully.
@@tensemurm5924 I mean I have literally had a very personal and intimate experience with something like this. Best friend's girlfriend said she was taken advantage of while being very drunk. Being young and hot headed 3 of us wanted to take matters into our own hands and do something dumb, because we were all so furious. Turns out it wasn't true, and she had just cheated on my friend and felt guilty or something so she said she was taken advantage of. To answer your question, what I would do is not what I did back then. I didn't say I wouldn't be kind and compassionate, and listen to everything she had to say. But instead would suggest filing a police report and handling it with the law. I wouldn't look for the evidence, the law would.
@@Hot_Soupp The point is that the guy you replied to said "you shouldn't side with anyone", and you said that should be the normal opinion. Would you not side with your sister straight away if she told you her boyfriend beat/raped her? Siding with her doesn't mean riding out to stab her boyfriend ffs, it means believing her and supporting her.
Hello Ludwig, I just wanted to say thank you for making these videos. Its very nice of you to talk about topics like these so people have a better understanding
Funny how people critique youtubers/streamers for covering news-worthy events, but don't have the same feeling towards news reporters. They're essentially doing the same thing. Also, the people who are mad that you made content out of the case wouldn't be angry if Amber actually won.
I'll be honest, I was a little bit of a frog when it came to watching this trial. I didn't watch every second, nor do I know every single fact, however I did jump around from stream to stream a bit to see how various creators were covering the trial just simply out of interest. I would say that I feel that Lud, along with Asmon tbh, covered and explained the trial fairly well from their own perspectives and knowledge about the case. I appreciated the level headed opinions and explanations for some things I just wasn't aware of considering they would go out of their way to do further research I didn't. Without rambling on too much while there definitely were people just soaking free views for content during this entire ordeal, however I definitely think there were those creators that added thoughtful pretty unbiased commentary. While I haven't been an extremely long term watcher, the Mogul Mails I have recently watched speak for themselves when it comes to doing research and adding informed opinions to the topic. Thanks for the solid continued content Lugwig
@@firstlast9500 my dude she literally ruined his career, trashed him in an article, lost him money, lost him a movie role, and last but not least chopped his literal finger off. If that doesn't deserve hate idfk what does.
As a 27 year old male victim of domestic violence I can say that the person sending you the dm has no idea how the world works. Any coverage that actually listens to the case and doesn't stan one side shows that it is okay to come forward, that the truth has a place and can be heard. I see no way that this could make victims more scared to come forward with their truth.
This right here is the best message I’ve seen so far. We should not detract and nullify anyone who claims abuse, rather, listen and form an opinion based around facts that come into light.
Listen Lud, even if you are what they say you are, at least you're transparent and not faking any self-righteousness as many do. That's what I appreciate the most out of you out of all content creators, you don't dunk on people (except when being ironic or sarcastic), you always see both accounts as best as you can. Thanks for the amazing content
Short n sweet; justifying and substantiating your content; providing the audience with a nice summary of your thoughts on the trial; and, ontop of all that demonstrate to your audience that you are mindful of "their" criticism. Rhetorically speaking this was brilliant Ludwig. I've gotta see I am continually impressed by the content on Mogul Mail. It has a strong balance between your style of, forgive me if I misnomer this, storyboarded humor and some artful uses of rhetoric. The touching part about the rhetoric you use, at least these days, Ludwig, is that I can not recall a time when you have employed this degree either maliciously or inadvertently. Meanwhile, I've gotta say that it's just hilarious that the "hahaha funny man" has continually proven himself to be a genuine orator when so many politicians are terrible at it.
Regardless of who you side with between Amber and Johnny, this case made huge strides to removing the stigma of speaking out about domestic abuse for male victims. I think that's ultimately the best thing to come out of this trial.
The UK case is a whole other can of worms that most people don't get. 1- it wasn't against Amber, was against a newspaper. 2 - the fact-finder was a single judge, not a jury. 3 - this judge routinely engaged on very shady mental gymnastics arguments in order to dismiss JD's evidence and at the same time, believed and defended Amber's testimony as irrefutable fact. 4 - one of those instances was, for example, when he discredited one of the witnesses for lying about the dogs Amber smuggled into Australia, using that as an argument to refuse her as a character witness against Amber... when the proof that she lied was a text message of Amber telling her and other people to lie. So, he discredits the person who lies, then believes the person who told them to lie. Ok. 5 - there were a whole bunch of other _out of the box_ arguments, I recommend looking onto it for your daily dose of rage. In resume, the UK trial isn't at all comparable, no matter what Elaine says on TV. The fact that people even mention it when discussing this trials results is helping Amber and media continue trying to discredit the jury
you're at the point where anything you do will be applauded or disappointing to your viewers just keep doing things that bring you joy and money and dont focus on what a single viewer thinks, much love!
No matter of what you think of Amber or Johnny it was crazy and scary how villified and harrassed amber was. Like people... this is an ungoing lawsuit of a "poterntially" innocent person. leave the justice to the people who do that profesionally but that this twitter mobjustice thing was legitimately scary and irresponsible. That being said im happy johnny won
Also Johnny and Amber both "abused" each other. This was 2 people who treated each other both terribly in a terrible relationship. People want to see this as a vindication of Johnny but like... that dude also did some scummy shit ngl but that doesnt detract from the stuff amber did but just because hes a victim doesnt make him a hero!
To be fair dude, every lawsuit is like this nowadays. No male perpetrator in the last decade has been given any sort of "benefit of the doubt". If you hear a SINGLE thing about them possibly committing abuse, it's over for them most of the time. I think that we should always wait for the evidence to be proven in court, but the court of public opinion isn't capable of being objective.
"I'm even more disappointed with what this verdict means for other women" Yeah, tragic, it means women can't safely beat up their men anymore... disappointing I'm sure xD
I agree with your take. I have a roommate who is obsessed with the trial memes, I’m talking Amber Turd and Johnny gangster level memes. I’ve tried to listen to the whole trial, like you said, to form an opinion based on it and other creators with a likeminded attitude. Eventually I came to the same agreements as the jury and have the context to explain to the people around me what was described and happened during the trial. My roommate was being especially weird yesterday, so when she showed me the meme I told her I don’t care. She got upset. She’s sensitive regardless to this, but I think the meme and stanning community has become incredibly toxic- which is the reason I left most fandoms. That is also why I appreciate your unbiased takes and let me and your other views make our own opinions while shinning light to topics I wouldn’t have known about otherwise in addition to the healthy distance between an influencer and their audience. Thank you for another great video, keep up the good work!
Imagine being an amber heard supporter, participating in an online harassment campaign against JD over lies. Then when her lies are proven to be lies, you complain about how everyone is being mean to her.
If this case went on normally without you or other content creators covering it I wouldn’t have even known this case was happening. But since you did I was able to learn a lot throughout this case and there’s no better content than some where you can come out the other side with a pretty decent understanding of the subject. Who cares if you used it to farm a bit of content I think you added plenty of knowledge to the case and helped teach me a lot as well as helping others understand who were being impartial towards Johnny or Amber
I am a bit more sympathetic to the DM you received than most of the comments here. I do think there's something inherently wrong in letting this be content... in a sense, it's contributing to letting the trial become a flashpoint for culture warriors who are eager to prove some broader point. I can't deny feeling a bit sick seeing you and others making content out of it. But that said, setting aside the decision to make content at all, I think you handled your presentation really well. I'm glad you resisted it when chatters or others would try to treat it as something more than an individual case. I really do appreciate that. I also really appreciate you making this video to bring up the topic and discuss your decision to make content. It just so happens that your stance on what is appropriate content and what's not just happens to be different from my own and so that's why you felt comfortable making content about it as long as you spoke about it appropriately, and that's your call to make. Certainly it's not a super egregious decision either way.
I personaly dont like americas obsession with court cases in general but I think out of everyone u were the most respectful in making content of this case. The fan cams, the death threats, the incels, the stans all made this a very uncomfortable portion of internet history and u didnt add to it so you shouldnt be lumped in with them.
Thank you for making another good video about this! Personally, when the allegations first came out several years ago, and the me too movement was more intense, I automatically sided with Amber Heard without really doing any research. There were a lot of REALLY bad people’s actions being discovered at the time, and honestly I didn’t care enough about either of them to do research. But throughout the trial, it was insane to see how quickly all of the evidence pointed against her and a whole nation just wrote Johnny off because we couldn’t be bothered to care about what was really going on with the *actual* case. I think the lesson here is really don’t make assumptions about something so serious without any actual research/evidence. People definitely get caught up in movements too much to actually take a look at individuals as people, instead of statistics to prove a point with. I’m glad the majority of sane people are going to at least give Johnny another chance now, regardless of people making this whole thing weirder than it needs to be.
As someone who has never seen an actual trial before, only the stuff you see on tv and movies that aren't very accurate, I found this court case really interesting to watch! I got to learn about all the different types of objections, how the whole process works, the different roles each lawyers have etc etc.
I completely agree with Lud when he said that the people who would say "this is another Johnny Depp situation" in retaliation to a woman claiming abuse, wouldn't believe the woman before the trial anyway. Very few if any people at all had their opinion changed on women claiming abuse due to the trial, but having such a large spotlight on a male abuse victim is something that hasn't really happened before and is a very positive thing. In my opinion people who think the case will have a generally negative impact on victims of abuse are ignorant
I feel like Lud said that with too much confidence and that we are underestimating what a month of psychotic conspiracy TikToks about Heard will do to our collective understanding of abusive relationships b
@@user-xb7dk2qy1r but the accusations were not all fake. It WAS mutually abusive. I think this will just make everything murkier and people looking for black and white and perfect victim or evil abuser narratives are gonna make it worse for everyone.
I’m glad that this case happened when it did, surviving a reltionship where I was abused and nearly killed by a rich white woman that groomed me that’s now trying to play victim it’s a relief knowing men can actually win this. Thanks Lud for covering this. N kings don’t date women in the NFL
There were definitely a lot of gross chatters creeping out the woodworks during your streams and I saw you’d get kind of uncomfortable I presume looking and would call a chatter out I would say you did more than other streamers would of and I appreciate that but this trial in general brought some weirdos out I didn’t watch a lot because I felt the spectacality of the trial was weird from the start
I hate that some people think this way, but for me, you’re the reason I even knew anything about this case. You taught me what defamation is and the actual facts about the case instead of me just watching random clips that would distort views. I love what you’re doing and I hope you keep making mogul mails and stream whatever you want king 👑 :)
As a woman, I would feel very unsafe if an abuser who literally admitted in front of the court to hitting their victim and calling their victim a baby for not taking the physical assault would have won the case.
yes yes yes yes.
What do you mean? If she got away with it, it would be because she is a woman.
How does that make you feel unsafe "as a woman"?
Or are you talking about a hypothetical where this happened to you and roles were reversed?
@@kjellman96 if she got away with it, it would mean bad things for anyone who might ever become a victim, including women.
she never admited to hit him, but we all saw the evidence that she did !
@@sweetpatate2729 She actually did "I didn´t punch you, I hit you!"
This was a win for victims of domestic abuse, regardless of gender. The overwhelming number of female victims of domestic abuse I have seen actually resonate with Johnny Depp because they see their abuser in Amber and her behaviour.
right here! everyone whos been in a relationship with a narcissist can spot the red flags.
Not really though, as this was simply a defamation lawsuit and not a criminal case. Basically says that if you're a victum of domestic abuse you'll only really get justice if your abuser over reaches in their defence of their actions.
@@dustyfox6511 im aware it was only a defamation case and no criminal charges are levied, but it's definitely a win to me in that it sets a precedent in public opinion to hopefully lesten the stigma around men being victims, and gives hope that any victim of abuse who is villainised by their abuser or anyone who has been falsely accused of such a thing is able to fight for their right to the truth. Although it would be better if such heinous false allegations were never made, six years later he was able to tell the truth about what happened on such a global stage and it definitely made an impact on the issue.
Couldn't agree more.
oh yeah, definite win for victims with a case that says if you talk about the abuse you experienced without even mentioning the person's name, you can be sued for slander. def big win for victims for sure yeah totally
“I can’t even imagine what victims of abuse feel like watching…”
Let me tell you; it feels great watching an abuser get put in their place.
@michael stclair I love how people are still trying to find worse and worse usages of "they", "their", "theyre" etc...
@@superbrain7852 what?
@@wangfire912 think he's just correcting michael for using 'their' instead of 'they're' in the most edgy way possible.
@@bradenaurelion3033 ohhh ok, I was super confused, thanks
@@bradenaurelion3033 Nah, im genuinely concerned...
much love your way as always. Sorry to hear that you've been victim to an abusive partner as well. You're a great guy Lud. Positivity your way
It really sucks and I honestly believe helping abused men is in the best interest of feminists if they want to prevent weirdos to get platformed
@Don't Read My Profile Photo it was a challenge to read your comment anyways, so sure, ill pass on reading your name
@Don't Read My Profile Photo accounts like these should get banned. theres a time and a place for silly shennanigans, and this is neither
I didn't see him mention it in the video, just for curiosity's sake, where is it mentioned?
@@insertusernamehere7732 dont have a timestamp but it was near the start
i vividly remember watching ur stream when you saw a comment saying, "whats your ideal verdict" and you just laughed and said something along the lines of, "the truthful one... going into any trial with a bias is unjust." I liked how you handled the whole thing.
czcams.com/video/3lUp2C0pS_Y/video.html finally it's here.
you can tell that he has a degree in journalism
Thanks for adding this
@@HydratedOats Oof, didn't know he was that bad. Jk... classic journalism was great but it seems to be very rare these days when it comes to major issues.
@geist souls It's hard to not have some bias when options are believe in a reasonable person or a proven liar that shits on beds.
My boss (male) was physically and definitely mentally abused by his previous and alcohol addicted partner (female). The worst part after the divorce he hardly ever gets to see his kids even though this psycho lady has followed him around when he was in custody stalking him and their kids. This is a step in the right direction for all that are abused.
That's so sad, best of hopes.
As a 28 year-old woman, who listened to the recordings of Amber admitting she hit Johnny years ago, I was extremely grateful to people covering the trial and am very happy with the verdict, as all of the evidence I became aware of during it have only confirmed what I believed after hearing her challenge him to tell the world and see if they believe him.
what did a woman just admit her age the world is changing.
Never ask
a woman her age.
A man his salary.
China what happened in Tiananmen Square in 1989
Българка ли си?
@@DogePasta Мхмм
@@SmallKingCrab china what happened in 1989? Lol
"i can't believe the entire world watched an abuser hide as a victim and get outed, this is so damaging to the victims"
no? this is a huge win for victims
Not really, because now a lot of victims are going to get doubted due to this
@@Smelly556 it's a mixed bag. Some people are going to be believed when their abusers play victim. Others are going to called into question for being the victim to begin with
@@ryanmackenzie6109 true, but there shouldn’t be doubt when somebody is claiming to be abused, but due to this stinky liar, there is going to be some
@@Smelly556 Yeah. I know. But.. there's always been some. People have been victim blaming for forever. It's why we've got the term. I jsut hope at the bare minimum this has opened people's eyes that sometimes the abuser also crys foul. At least more than it gives people doubt
As a 22 year old male victim of slander, physical, and mental abuse from a former female partner, thank you for covering this case. It needed the coverage.
thank god SOMEONE finally covered it
Depp openly admitted to making it a public case to humiliate heard. Heard deserved to lose the but neither are good people
I'm sorry that happened to you, anyone can be a victim not just women
As a past victim and abuser I am sick of this case and glad people will finally shut up about it
@@mercedes_nuts you're an abuser?
this is a victory for all victims, not sure what that dm was talking about.
an abuser masking themselves as a victim does way more harm
Yea, the dm in a nutshell is women not winning = bad
This is it
Her concern was that a victim of abuse got their life destroyed by the media but this is literally what happened to Johnny. All this case was a rebalancing of Amber's lies.
I agree that Johnny should win the case, and that the DM is kinda stupid.
at the same time… I think it’s inevitable that this case will lead to a larger amount of people being rude about other female abusers. basically I think it will rule up a nasty vocal minority. but that’s just AH’s fault for trying to lie through the whole case, really unfortunate.
The fact that she needed to state "I'm a 28 year old woman" just says a lot lol
The real losers of this case was anyone who made this trial their entire personality for a month.
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I know they exist(ed), but I never experienced such a being, thankfully so.
And that includes the jurors who didn't even wanna make it their life. Pour one out for them too
Honestly yeah, making content out of it was not like shaking hands with the devil imo tbh but damn the people that exploited it is a whole another case
"I've been in an abusive relationship, and it fucking sucks."
ludwig you delivered this line so upbeat that I almost started laughing. I wish I could use the same tone when talking about my experiences
ikr hes always so calm and collected even when talking about super heavy and emotional topics
FYI, "beyond a shadow of a doubt" is only for criminal trials. In civil court, its just preponderance of evidence, which basically means "more likely than not", or a >50% likelyhood of being true.
And this mfer is trying to say he studied defamation law
FYI, "beyond a shadow of a doubt" is not a standard in any level of case. "Beyond a reasonable doubt" is the standard - the minor language difference actually matters in court. Think: 95% chance you did X crime might be sufficient to a jury to convict under reasonable doubt but beyond a shadow of doubt would require >99.9% chance you did it to convict.
Also worth noting that in this case the standard for several of the counts was a Clear and Convincing Evidence standard. This standard is more rigorous than the Preponderance of the Evidence standard but less rigorous than the Beyond a Reasonable Doubt standard.
@@nagelalaw also part of why defamation is very tough to win
clear and convincing, not preponderance. It's not as high a standard as beyond reasonable doubt, but it is a higher standard than preponderance.
As valid as the DM you received may be, my biggest gripe with it is this - "the amount of ridicule and harassment she has had to deal with is beyond comparable. I can't imagine what victims of abuse feel like watching someone's life get bulldozed by the media." Now, harassment is wrong, of course it is, but to say Amber heard is the victim in this situation, when Johnny Depp received ridicule & harassment for years despite him being the REAL abuse victim is outrageous. My friends that are victims of abuse themselves were all very glad & relieved the case went the way it did, as it was a win for them too.
They can't imagine how victims of abuse feel because they never experienced anything close to it.
If I had a dollar for every time Amber Heard lied, I’d have enough money to fulfill her charity pledge.
They're both abuse victims
Yeap, for anybody who has been close to JD's shoes, it's extremely cathartic.
Hearing the tapes where she basically confesses and the verdict definitely felt good but… did the media frenzy feel good? I dunno. Honestly the overwhelming vitriol and one sidededness felt creepy and honestly did not feel good at all. It really filled me with dread and a premonition that this is not gonna be good for society, even if it maybe was justice. Maybe.
As someone from the U.K., if the sun told me the sky was blue, I’d have to look up to make sure. They’ve infamously blamed victims in the past, such as Liverpool fc supporters in the Hillsborough disaster, calling them murderers.
How they continue to publish is beyond me, British media is absolutely awful and protected
Also they're transphobic as fuck.
The press is protected for sure, press shouldn’t be suppressed. However, if you choose to partake in tabloid papers you’re just searching to confirm prejudices and viewpoints you already believed in, and they know this and so keep topics to surface level rage baiting. They lost the court case because he couldn’t prove otherwise, the people who choose to believe the take from a shady source in the first place is their own fault.
@@xXNIDSXx while this is a fair point, the shady sources shouldn’t be allowed to do anything like that in the first place, irrespective of who’s fault it is if they were to believe it
As a woman, I have to say I think you covered this case respectfully. There were times where I was disappointed in the way chat behaved. But it seemed to be handled well. Abuse is a touchy subject no matter who did what. Someone’s a victim and it’s never okay. I agree Johnny was more than likely abused by Amber.
Why do you have to speak like that. As a Man no one cares you're a woman.
More than likely? lol she literally admitted it
More than likely? That bitch was 100% lying
Lol "most likely" not like there was plenty of evidence.
@@scoopstacey3112 sorry y’all, i didn’t watch the end of the trial until today. but either way my point stands
As a woman and victim of abuse by my own mother who reminded me so much of Amber Heard I could barely watch outside clips from streamers reacting. Even family members who know her said she is exactly like Amber in behavior ect.
The coverage was needed and I truly can't understand how people side with Amber. People did that to me irl and believe my mothers lies, isolated me and spread misinformation about what has happened without hearing my side of things. But I bet if I had said it was my father doing the things she has done they would have listened and helped me.
The double standard has to end. This case showed that abuse can come from anyone and anyone can be abused. As an abuse victim I am happy more people are aware abuse can come from anyone and victims had a win today.
I felt that!!!! Hearts go out to you 💜💜💜💜💜
@yukiandkanamekuran Thank you ❤️
So terrible and sorry to know this happens often. We can all start blaming movies, tv and the media for this.
@@DmanDice yup it’s so frustrating, I hope all victims can find peace and heal in some way.
As a victim of domestic violence, I was very happy to see you and other content creators covering this trial. This was an important moment for all DV survivors and deserved as much attention as possible.
It wasn't a DV trial. Johnny Depp is absolutely an abuser and this has been well established.
It was a defamation trial. All that was proven here was that Amber made Johnny lose work. Not that he isn't an abuser too.
As a female victim of SA and abuse the person who dm'd you doesn't HAVE to imagine what it feels like, she can just literally ask us. Johnny was abused and he deserved to win this trial. It feels good to see an abuse survivor get a win.
Highly disagreed with the DM on several factors:
1) you didn't contribute hate towards any gender by streaming the court hearing, Court cases aren't copyrighted material which allows for it to be streamed without an authority (correct me if i'm wrong)
2) It was Important to cover the case for the male survivors of abuse regardless of your personal stands. so the next time a guy comes forward he won't be ridiculed and told to "suck it up and man up" like Doctor Phil did on his show!. The lady who DMed you is definitely biased
3) "Nobody would believe female survivors of the abuse" is a shallow gut reaction to this case... It wasn't about "men vs women", it was simply about a victim of abuse who happens to be male who dared to come forward against his abuser a female.
4) "Whether you believe it all not, the amount of hate she got is insane", First of all, Not condoning the hate and harassment she received but she brought this onto herself, She attempted to destroy a man's career with most of her LIES, I'm not even a fan of Johnny Depp but that man was scrutinized for 7 years by media and everyone pro-Amber, The hate she's receiving now is undoubtedly karma biting her back. I rarely saw anyone on Twitter defending Johnny until the tapes were brought to public's eyes.
Loud people on Twitter like to argue that "we should ALWAYS support the victims", but when it's time to support a male survivor.... Their biased side shows up. I've seen many many videos of women destroying men's properties... Hell... *Jennifer Lawrence* publicly admitted to beating a guy in a bar, pouring alcohol into his suitcase and poked fun at him while he cried, on Seth Meyer's show, she got away clean with some chuckles and giggles from audience... Look up "Jennifer Lawrence Brawl fight" on CZcams.
Really quick, i wanna share 2 stories:
my neighbor (a late 40s early 50 something man) is married to and tolerated a woman who kept manipulating him for years. She even tried to strangle her own daughter once over a freaking argument with neighbor
My uncle has dated a woman for 4 years who promised to marry him but was actually dating him to milk every penny out of him, She manipulated my uncle and used HIS money to buy herself the most premium and luxury items to brag about until my uncle was in debt. Then she poor shamed him and ran away with some other dude!
All you did was supported the victim of a domestic abuse and provided commentary based on your knowledge on the source that was publicly available to audience but they chose to watch YOU because they like and trust you.
Thank you for reading this far. I appreciate it.
Well said thank you! I knew her clear bias when I read the whole message. It surprising how bitter and petty these people are to think that female abuse is greater than male abuse, disgusting.
@@Saif_theFox Indeed! It's an age old tactic of guilt tripping someone else for their differing opinions just because they don't look at the world or a particular situation through the same lenses as they themselves would do.
Completely agree with the points you made. I think Lud can be overcritical of himself in these situations; a lot of people would read that message and see that it is clearly biased but Lud seems to treat it as fact and blame himself even though an overwhelming majority of his viewers think he has done nothing untoward.
Wow, this is all I needed to hear. Well said! Couldn't agree more
The trial was supposed to determine whether Heard committed defamation against Depp, specifically libel by implying (note: never outright stating Depp's name) in her op-ed that Depp abused her by writing along the lines that she had been abused.
That's it. It wasn't supposed to determine who was the aggressor of the abuse since that didn't matter as to whether what Heard wrote was indeed libel.
Just one provable instance of Depp abusing Heard would qualify her statement as being true under the lens of the US legal system; considering she never wrote in that piece that Depp had abused her countless times. Just that she had been abused herself.
I disagree with that DM you got, Ludwig. This case needed the coverage because of how many people still believe men can't be victims of abuse. Charlie did a really good video today about this where he talks more in depth about that. Also in regards to the UK Trial, I think a lot of people don't know about the corruption behind it... the judge's son literally worked for the newspaper Johnny was suing, he was never going to win.
Can't* might want to fix that typo
@@will78787 definitely needs to fix that typo lol
@@wozz7771 yep... not a good look
There is just as much corruption with the constant wave of press surrounding amber, the jury being bombarded with that can't have made their decision more unbiased, as we saw with the decision.
"This case needed the coverage because of how many people still believe men can be victims of abuse", do you mean can't or am I just dumb?
Wouldn’t say you were “just a vehicle” for people to watch it, think a lot of people wouldn’t sit and watch the case by itself as they’d get bored. They watch people like lud react as it adds some more entertainment and keeps them engaged for hours on end.
And in Luds case he also added to the discussion explaining stuff that might have gone over peoples heads, as well as bringing in other articles and cases
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That’s me wouldn’t have watched it if Ludwig didn’t cover it
Its probably better that there are multiple people and their opinions in circulation in one place like ludwigs stream so everyone gets a fair chance to learn about what's going on.
I absolutely wouldn't have watched it if lud didn't stream it
@@viggojohansson3912 you wanna watch but you still would’ve got your information from Twitter and Tiktok people. It’s not like if you didn’t watch the stream you were never going to find out what was happening In the case
"It sets back the idea that violence against women is to be taken seriously." My brother in Christ you just lost a defamation case because of that exact same statement.
It really just shows that those who suffer from narcissistic personality disorder cannot accept change or defeat even after they faced the consequences of their actions.
"I can't even imagine what victims of abuse feel like watching someone's life get bulldozed by the media."
So I guess that wasn't a problem when it was Johnny Depp on the receiving end huh? How about instead of worrying how bad the abuser feels, how about we think about how it must feel for all the male victims to see this win and be encouraged to speak up. That was an absolutely shit take and there's nothing wrong with covering a public case like this.
and she has only had a few months of hate while he has had years. And the hate for him was invalid since he is the victim. Her hate is justified because she chose to take the actions that got her hated
"So I guess that wasn't a problem when it was Johnny Depp on the receiving end huh?"
EXACTLY, and you see it even in this Comment section, "we shouldn't be mean, we should be unbiased, bla bla bla". I can't fucking hear it, after what JD has gone through.
"That was an absolutely shit take and there's nothing wrong with covering a public case like this" - 100%, if you don't rub situations like this into people faces, nothing will ever change.
I still don't feel good. I'm mad at people suddenly caring!!!
@@gehtdichnichtsan2418 Considering how much shit was rubbed into people's faces about metoo, you bet your dam ace I'm going to rub it in how fucking disgusting their denial of that shit can be
It's misandry disguised as caring for victims
I think if your coverage was honest, thoughtful, and constructive, then there was nothing wrong from making "content" out of this trial. This was a cultural moment. You are an influencer. As long as you are using your voice to create clarity and not stoke anger, your content is a better source than many.
Most of the viewers you got would have watched others. And most others talking about the trial just pick a side and cherry pick any details to entrench in their own beliefs.
Though, take what I say with a grain of salt. I think I saw thirty minutes of one of your streams and otherwise didn't follow this story...
you know this is a great comment, im glad not all of ludwigs fans are dumb
Ty for covering it Ludwig, outside the US this hasn't received much attention so I really appreciate it
Lol where i live in people don't even know who amber heard is.
In Australia it’s been covered relentlessly. Whilst the case is significant, thank your countries media for not being obsessed with tabloid-related issues 🤣
@@connorfiles2904 a defamation trial about abuse isn't tabloid news...
Canada has been flooded with it lol.
I've actually talked about it with my whole family and some uncles
Hey Lud. I actually remember thinking, on one of your other coverage days of the case, how much different your coverage was then everyone else. You were explaining certain things very well and tried your best to not take sides. Whereas other people were just trying to rip AH.
Your coverage of this trial was fine. I think a subsection of the world at large is just going to be offended by the trial result and considering the nature of the case I think people will just be slightly over emotional with regards to it. If Amber Heard is innocent then she has one of the least believable true stories I've ever come across. None of her story lined up with any evidence and she seemed pathological about many things, compulsive lying to keep up with a twisted narrative being one to note. However, I don't think some of the coverage on the case has been great as there are a lot of zealous types covering this trial and a lot of toxic men bubbling on the surface b/c it is more acceptable to throw rotten food at this particular woman. That said, I don't think ludwig was a negative energy in the space, when it comes to this trial.
To be fair, the UK trial wasnt asking the question, "Did Johnny abuse Amber?" The question was "Did The Sun have reason to believe what Amber had told them?" which is why that case would have been near impossible to win cause at the time...there was no reason NOT to believe her.
Not really. The case was asking "is there enough evidence that he beat her", which it was proven there was (since most of the claims were declared proven).
The difference is that Amber Heard acted like an innocent victim in her article, when she clearly wasn't. That doesn't mean he didn't beat her, which is all The Sun claimed. He was violent. But her article was incredibly misleading and written in a way to make herself look like she did nothing wrong and was just an innocent victim of random violence, which was untrue.
@@tensemurm5924 "which it was proven there was (since most of the claims were declared proven)." love these statements.
You do realise, if this "Evidence" actually existed, we would have seen it in the US Trial?
Or was the presented evidence in the US Trial, the evidence that was presented in the UK Trial?
Either way it shows that the UK Trial was kinda weird, especially when in the first 5/14 statements, the Judge ruled in favor of the Sun because the STORY was more likely.
Dunno the UK Trial feels like an Anomaly, if the US Trial showed all of her best evidence.
@@gehtdichnichtsan2418 The two trials were looking at different things - they are not directly comparable. Both trials can have different but correct outcomes.
Thanks for covering this. I wasn't about to watch the court every day, and felt you kept things civil. Whenever your chat threatened to get wacky, you'd breath some calm into them. I appreciated how you voiced your opinion about specific pieces of evidence, but when asked to pick a side you would call out how inappropriate that question is, and how it's for the jury to decide.
There's a lot to be criticized about the general coverage and reactions to this trial, and while I've had mixed feelings about streamers covering it and don't know where I'd put it in a morality scale, I definitely think you were on the better, saner side of it.
You could've heavily capitalized by leaning hard into the Amber hate, but instead you remained neutral, told chat to chill tf out when they got weird with the overt hate/simping/overanalyzing, asked them to actually *listen* to the court case, cracked down on people who just wanted you to say what they wanted to when you were trying to be unbiased, etc. The person who dm'ed you is allowed to feel uncomfortable, but I also wouldn't be surprised if they didn't watch the streams.
(Also I'm sorry you went through that, no one should go through shit like that
I thought the way you covered it was very respectful. You came in with an open mind and heard all the evidence. You didn’t call Amber rude names or constantly make fun of her and you didn’t stand for people in chat who were way too far up Johnny’s ass. You acknowledged that both had flaws and came to a conclusion based on the evidence provided in the trial. I think you handled it a lot better than other streamers and most of the internet.
Gotta say I love how smoothly you do these videos. Each time you switch to any video or website it's seamless and you know exactly where to draw attention. The dedication to making these videos easily digestible while not doing so at the cost of leaving out key points of information is really great. And it's impressive that you're doing it through more or less all presentation skill
The case was public and anyone could watch it, so who cares how they watch it? What makes a creator making money from covering the trial any different from a news network doing it? having more choice in the way to consume entertainment and information only seems positive to me
That was just an excuse because she was biased on one side or the other. Pettiness is what that message was. What difference does it make if someone covers the topic if anything it brings awareness to male victims of abuse and thats what clicked it, she is biased for amber so now that Johnny won she is bitter about it. But if it was a women you would see her praising him everyone has an agenda and she had the pettiness to comment about stremers patheitic
The problem wasn't her lawyers, it was her. She fabricated a story based on lie upon lie and kept altering it on the stand. No lawyer would be able to defend someone who doesn't even have their story straight.
Yep, it was impossible for her lawyers to win, she couldn’t keep her lies straight for more than a couple of minutes, before breaking it and contradicting herself
Wished big media was as unbiased as you Lud!
I'm glad you're willing to contemplate this dm instead of just brush it off. I don't think it matters whether the dm is right or not but the fact that you're receptive to earnest concerns is really cool and shows you're not trying to just use the trial for personal gain.
Ah journalism major. Kinda makes sense now since you tell stories in such a good and easy to capture the audience way.
i’m so sorry you’ve had to go through an abusive relationship lud. and thank you for sharing
love u lud great context, sweet and simple
That DM fails to realize that ACTUAL victims scored a major win and now see liars and abusers can be overcome. Thier bias for amber has blinded them to the win victims actually got with this victory. Amber is a proven liar,a proven abuser and deserves all the backlash she has gotten. And when it comes to JD threatening her I'm gonna quote/paraphrase Amber's own expert "if you hit ,hurt or be verbally coarse to someone in the process of trying to escape them hurting you that is not DV" (they may have actually said IPV but it amounts to the same). It's actually insane to me that people blindly follow and defend people solely based on their gender in spite of the evidence. As a survivor of female on male abuse this court case has restored a tiny bit of my hope for the world.
They don't fail to realize anything. They aren't biased towards amber, you're just biased towards Depp, as you admit in this comment. You don't realize that suing someone into silence and shaming them publicly has terrible ramifications for abuse victims. Depp also abused Amber. That was proven. You've been swayed by the massive media campaign to make Depp the hero and amber the villain, when it's much more gray than that.
100%!!!
True, its like evidences presented on the court isn't true and they are just pointing fingers for no reason. It was debated for 6 weeks in court for god's sake.
These people are so weird. Seeing everything from one side and hyper empathizing with only women, a powerful and rich one at that. Like get a better job than watching Twitch then lol.
this was the most genuine shit you've ever made lud. I think it's great to see this side of you.
Thanks for the update, Lud.
I like the new content on this channel. I think it is a service you are doing to the world as content creators are kinda at least overall public opinion wise known for their bad influence. it's nice to see a down-to-earth and real person who can give their well-meaning opinion and kind of mold the future generation for the better. You've kinda become like a second charlie in a way where you project your own values from your own experience onto a subject/issue to inform and help be a lubricant for the issues of the world. And I just want to say thank you for that.
It wasn’t only a fun stream, but a great recap. Happy for Johnny and his team!
I was in a really really toxic relationship not so long ago. The girl was extremely toxic and abusive. She would physically, emotionally, and mentally abuse me.
Nobody believed me, because “men can’t be abused”….
This trial and this victory for Johnny is definitely a win to show that men too can be abused and that actions have consequences
Me too man
it will change nothing. the only reason Jhonny won is because hes a beloved movie star.. do you honestly think you would have gotten the same outcome if you went to trial with the same evidence.. no the majority of people, both men and women will at least subconsciously still believe that men cant be abused or at least they cant be abused in a serious matter like women can.
its all social conditioning, phrases like men don't cry, or, take it like a man, that i still hear on a daily basis online, tells us that nothing has or will change.
@@noobmasters6913bruh have you looked at the evidence it’s clear as day she’s lying and beat him he may have said some harsh words back but she did more and worse and she’s a gold digger
@@noobmasters6913 Johnny learn how to spell
@@noobmasters6913 can’t you see?! The steps to change! We are human beings with feelings and emotions, we can be victims too… we have been conditioned our whole lives to not let anyone see us cry Or to not let anyone see our emotions… that we will never be loved unconditionally..
This is a step for better understanding. Betterment. To be treated as though we matter…
This is a huge victory, and if you’re too caught up in the storm, you’ll be lost at sea.
Celebrate the small steps and be proud of being a part of history.
I wouldn't have watched any of it if it wasn't for your coverage, and I think you did a great job adding information. And I think something like this needed exposure because it was something that people wouldn't expect at first (the man being abused), so thank you for the coverage.
Great way to sum it all up. Thank you for covering the case.
I feel like if it was the other way around and Depp was the villain here this sentiment of not wanting the media to blow people up wouldn't be nearly as prevalent. I also disagree about you being a replacement; Had you not covered the trial I wouldn't have watched it anyway and just looked up a conclusion, like this video
Glad to hear Ludwig is no longer in a abusive relationship
nothing better than a mogul mail video. loved the way you covered and discussed the trial, lud
ive seen a lot of comments over the past month of DA survivors who are saying how much this trial means to them because they relate to johnny and they feel supported themselves when the public supports him
(not saying the reaction toward amber couldn't hurt DA victims but this is just from what i've seen)
The thing is that I do believe that had it gone the other way given what we know now about Amber Heard's lies, that this case would have DESTROYED any chance for DA victims of the male gender to tell their stories.
@@narius_jaden215 I hadn't even considered that but wow you're so right
I can't imagine how terrifying it would be to speak up after seeing someone lose a case like that
"I hope that my quest to have the truth be told will have helped others, men or women, who have found themselves in my situation, and that those supporting them never give up. I also hope that the position will now return to innocent until proven guilty, both within the courts and in the media." - Johnny Depp
Really well said, I've been trying ti explain this to my friends and family as well but you said it perfectly.
Thanks for covering the trial. I think you did a very good job explaining what you knew after defamation. It’s a lot more informative that news headlines, that’s for sure
I’ve been lied about before it really means a lot to see this coverage. I’ve done some shit too and it really means a lot that people are able to understand a mistake versus a malicious attack on a persons character to hurt them. It brings a little light into this dark world, and the delivery makes it so much more amazing. Thank you so much for discussing this.
I’m so happy he won! The only thing I’m worried about are the people who will cherry pick this case to “prove” that women are lying if they report abuse.
I think one should generally side with someone who says they’ve been abused, but should also learn all the information to make an as informed and unbiased opinion as you can
nah man you shouldnt side with anyone, but maybe you meant listen to them first, everyone needs to be heard, and then we should decide how to act upon evidencd
@@filmthestring6013 It's always been crazy to me that this isn't the normal opinion. In some situations it really sucks, due to lack of immediate evidence, but there isn't any other rational way to go about it.
@@Hot_Soupp I mean, if your sister came to you crying and said her boyfriend beat her, would your response be "hmm, I don't believe you yet. Convince me"?
No, hopefully.
@@tensemurm5924 I mean I have literally had a very personal and intimate experience with something like this.
Best friend's girlfriend said she was taken advantage of while being very drunk. Being young and hot headed 3 of us wanted to take matters into our own hands and do something dumb, because we were all so furious. Turns out it wasn't true, and she had just cheated on my friend and felt guilty or something so she said she was taken advantage of.
To answer your question, what I would do is not what I did back then. I didn't say I wouldn't be kind and compassionate, and listen to everything she had to say. But instead would suggest filing a police report and handling it with the law. I wouldn't look for the evidence, the law would.
@@Hot_Soupp The point is that the guy you replied to said "you shouldn't side with anyone", and you said that should be the normal opinion.
Would you not side with your sister straight away if she told you her boyfriend beat/raped her?
Siding with her doesn't mean riding out to stab her boyfriend ffs, it means believing her and supporting her.
Hello Ludwig, I just wanted to say thank you for making these videos. Its very nice of you to talk about topics like these so people have a better understanding
Good video, it was nice to hear your thoughts on this in a way that was honest and informative
Funny how people critique youtubers/streamers for covering news-worthy events, but don't have the same feeling towards news reporters. They're essentially doing the same thing. Also, the people who are mad that you made content out of the case wouldn't be angry if Amber actually won.
I'll be honest, I was a little bit of a frog when it came to watching this trial. I didn't watch every second, nor do I know every single fact, however I did jump around from stream to stream a bit to see how various creators were covering the trial just simply out of interest. I would say that I feel that Lud, along with Asmon tbh, covered and explained the trial fairly well from their own perspectives and knowledge about the case. I appreciated the level headed opinions and explanations for some things I just wasn't aware of considering they would go out of their way to do further research I didn't.
Without rambling on too much while there definitely were people just soaking free views for content during this entire ordeal, however I definitely think there were those creators that added thoughtful pretty unbiased commentary. While I haven't been an extremely long term watcher, the Mogul Mails I have recently watched speak for themselves when it comes to doing research and adding informed opinions to the topic.
Thanks for the solid continued content Lugwig
asmon did great coverage of the whole trial. stayed unbiased while being entertaining. i recommend watching the rest of his videos
It was very big of you to show that DM and you talked about the subject in a very mature way
I enjoyed your stream covering this.
While I followed it here and there I can say I only watched the outcome live because of your car. 👏
the DM is actually out of touch, its basically sugarcoating "men can't be victims" while shaming a creator
??? The DM didn’t in any way say that men can’t be victims all it said was that even if she was guilty she didn’t deserve the hate.
@@firstlast9500 so an abuser shouldnt be hated?
@@firstlast9500 my dude she literally ruined his career, trashed him in an article, lost him money, lost him a movie role, and last but not least chopped his literal finger off. If that doesn't deserve hate idfk what does.
@@firstlast9500 What do you think deserves hate ?
@@firstlast9500 lfmao, so now people are not allowed to get mad at anyone? Absolute snowflakes.
As a 27 year old male victim of domestic violence I can say that the person sending you the dm has no idea how the world works. Any coverage that actually listens to the case and doesn't stan one side shows that it is okay to come forward, that the truth has a place and can be heard. I see no way that this could make victims more scared to come forward with their truth.
Lol, Lud, your videos are so good. Keep it up and take care. 👍
This right here is the best message I’ve seen so far. We should not detract and nullify anyone who claims abuse, rather, listen and form an opinion based around facts that come into light.
“Court cases are litigious” We have a very educated man right here.
luckily for her she didnt actually donate the money she promised she would to charity
Listen Lud, even if you are what they say you are, at least you're transparent and not faking any self-righteousness as many do. That's what I appreciate the most out of you out of all content creators, you don't dunk on people (except when being ironic or sarcastic), you always see both accounts as best as you can.
Thanks for the amazing content
Short n sweet; justifying and substantiating your content; providing the audience with a nice summary of your thoughts on the trial; and, ontop of all that demonstrate to your audience that you are mindful of "their" criticism.
Rhetorically speaking this was brilliant Ludwig.
I've gotta see I am continually impressed by the content on Mogul Mail. It has a strong balance between your style of, forgive me if I misnomer this, storyboarded humor and some artful uses of rhetoric.
The touching part about the rhetoric you use, at least these days, Ludwig, is that I can not recall a time when you have employed this degree either maliciously or inadvertently.
Meanwhile, I've gotta say that it's just hilarious that the "hahaha funny man" has continually proven himself to be a genuine orator when so many politicians are terrible at it.
Regardless of who you side with between Amber and Johnny, this case made huge strides to removing the stigma of speaking out about domestic abuse for male victims. I think that's ultimately the best thing to come out of this trial.
The UK case is a whole other can of worms that most people don't get.
1- it wasn't against Amber, was against a newspaper.
2 - the fact-finder was a single judge, not a jury.
3 - this judge routinely engaged on very shady mental gymnastics arguments in order to dismiss JD's evidence and at the same time, believed and defended Amber's testimony as irrefutable fact.
4 - one of those instances was, for example, when he discredited one of the witnesses for lying about the dogs Amber smuggled into Australia, using that as an argument to refuse her as a character witness against Amber... when the proof that she lied was a text message of Amber telling her and other people to lie. So, he discredits the person who lies, then believes the person who told them to lie. Ok.
5 - there were a whole bunch of other _out of the box_ arguments, I recommend looking onto it for your daily dose of rage.
In resume, the UK trial isn't at all comparable, no matter what Elaine says on TV. The fact that people even mention it when discussing this trials results is helping Amber and media continue trying to discredit the jury
Thanks for adding value to my day
you're at the point where anything you do will be applauded or disappointing to your viewers just keep doing things that bring you joy and money and dont focus on what a single viewer thinks, much love!
No matter of what you think of Amber or Johnny it was crazy and scary how villified and harrassed amber was. Like people... this is an ungoing lawsuit of a "poterntially" innocent person. leave the justice to the people who do that profesionally but that this twitter mobjustice thing was legitimately scary and irresponsible.
That being said im happy johnny won
Also Johnny and Amber both "abused" each other. This was 2 people who treated each other both terribly in a terrible relationship. People want to see this as a vindication of Johnny but like... that dude also did some scummy shit ngl but that doesnt detract from the stuff amber did but just because hes a victim doesnt make him a hero!
To be fair dude, every lawsuit is like this nowadays. No male perpetrator in the last decade has been given any sort of "benefit of the doubt". If you hear a SINGLE thing about them possibly committing abuse, it's over for them most of the time. I think that we should always wait for the evidence to be proven in court, but the court of public opinion isn't capable of being objective.
That might be the best court case I’ve ever seen!
So it would seem
thats got to be one of the best segways into the videos topic ive ever heard lmao
Lud's takes are so good in all honesty.
"I'm even more disappointed with what this verdict means for other women" Yeah, tragic, it means women can't safely beat up their men anymore... disappointing I'm sure xD
You do add value to the world by entertaining us :)
I agree with your take.
I have a roommate who is obsessed with the trial memes, I’m talking Amber Turd and Johnny gangster level memes.
I’ve tried to listen to the whole trial, like you said, to form an opinion based on it and other creators with a likeminded attitude.
Eventually I came to the same agreements as the jury and have the context to explain to the people around me what was described and happened during the trial.
My roommate was being especially weird yesterday, so when she showed me the meme I told her I don’t care.
She got upset.
She’s sensitive regardless to this, but I think the meme and stanning community has become incredibly toxic- which is the reason I left most fandoms.
That is also why I appreciate your unbiased takes and let me and your other views make our own opinions while shinning light to topics I wouldn’t have known about otherwise in addition to the healthy distance between an influencer and their audience.
Thank you for another great video, keep up the good work!
Love the one liners to open
Imagine being an amber heard supporter, participating in an online harassment campaign against JD over lies. Then when her lies are proven to be lies, you complain about how everyone is being mean to her.
She gonna be broker than me and I'm a college student
I really doubt about that. She'll be fine and live a very healthy life.
If this case went on normally without you or other content creators covering it I wouldn’t have even known this case was happening. But since you did I was able to learn a lot throughout this case and there’s no better content than some where you can come out the other side with a pretty decent understanding of the subject. Who cares if you used it to farm a bit of content I think you added plenty of knowledge to the case and helped teach me a lot as well as helping others understand who were being impartial towards Johnny or Amber
I am a bit more sympathetic to the DM you received than most of the comments here. I do think there's something inherently wrong in letting this be content... in a sense, it's contributing to letting the trial become a flashpoint for culture warriors who are eager to prove some broader point. I can't deny feeling a bit sick seeing you and others making content out of it. But that said, setting aside the decision to make content at all, I think you handled your presentation really well. I'm glad you resisted it when chatters or others would try to treat it as something more than an individual case. I really do appreciate that. I also really appreciate you making this video to bring up the topic and discuss your decision to make content. It just so happens that your stance on what is appropriate content and what's not just happens to be different from my own and so that's why you felt comfortable making content about it as long as you spoke about it appropriately, and that's your call to make. Certainly it's not a super egregious decision either way.
I personaly dont like americas obsession with court cases in general but I think out of everyone u were the most respectful in making content of this case. The fan cams, the death threats, the incels, the stans all made this a very uncomfortable portion of internet history and u didnt add to it so you shouldnt be lumped in with them.
Thank you for making another good video about this! Personally, when the allegations first came out several years ago, and the me too movement was more intense, I automatically sided with Amber Heard without really doing any research. There were a lot of REALLY bad people’s actions being discovered at the time, and honestly I didn’t care enough about either of them to do research. But throughout the trial, it was insane to see how quickly all of the evidence pointed against her and a whole nation just wrote Johnny off because we couldn’t be bothered to care about what was really going on with the *actual* case. I think the lesson here is really don’t make assumptions about something so serious without any actual research/evidence. People definitely get caught up in movements too much to actually take a look at individuals as people, instead of statistics to prove a point with. I’m glad the majority of sane people are going to at least give Johnny another chance now, regardless of people making this whole thing weirder than it needs to be.
As someone who has never seen an actual trial before, only the stuff you see on tv and movies that aren't very accurate, I found this court case really interesting to watch! I got to learn about all the different types of objections, how the whole process works, the different roles each lawyers have etc etc.
I was a viewer you added to it. I wouldn't bother watching the case but I ended up watching a bit of it watching your VODs.
I completely agree with Lud when he said that the people who would say "this is another Johnny Depp situation" in retaliation to a woman claiming abuse, wouldn't believe the woman before the trial anyway. Very few if any people at all had their opinion changed on women claiming abuse due to the trial, but having such a large spotlight on a male abuse victim is something that hasn't really happened before and is a very positive thing. In my opinion people who think the case will have a generally negative impact on victims of abuse are ignorant
I feel like Lud said that with too much confidence and that we are underestimating what a month of psychotic conspiracy TikToks about Heard will do to our collective understanding of abusive relationships b
This case alone probably won't do anything. But for people who've had previous experiences with fake accusations, this could be the turning point
@@user-xb7dk2qy1r but the accusations were not all fake. It WAS mutually abusive. I think this will just make everything murkier and people looking for black and white and perfect victim or evil abuser narratives are gonna make it worse for everyone.
I’m glad that this case happened when it did, surviving a reltionship where I was abused and nearly killed by a rich white woman that groomed me that’s now trying to play victim it’s a relief knowing men can actually win this. Thanks Lud for covering this. N kings don’t date women in the NFL
your last sentence and how you said it is why i like watching you, you just fucking get it
Love this guy! thanks Ludwig
I'm a 30 year old woman who was abused by a woman and am thankful for all the coverage this case is getting
There were definitely a lot of gross chatters creeping out the woodworks during your streams and I saw you’d get kind of uncomfortable I presume looking and would call a chatter out I would say you did more than other streamers would of and I appreciate that but this trial in general brought some weirdos out I didn’t watch a lot because I felt the spectacality of the trial was weird from the start
Yeah even if I still felt strongly about this case I dislike people who just hate for the sake of it.
Atta boy Ludwig, good for you to make this
I hate that some people think this way, but for me, you’re the reason I even knew anything about this case. You taught me what defamation is and the actual facts about the case instead of me just watching random clips that would distort views. I love what you’re doing and I hope you keep making mogul mails and stream whatever you want king 👑 :)
Morbin' time