DIY Tiny Home Pier Foundation | The Right Way
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I did something very similar, but permitted.
Here is what mine took to get an engineer's stamp:
- 12" sono tubes
- 24" flared-out footers (so I had to dig 24" holes)
- 31" below-ground depth (I have an 18" frost line in my area)
- 18" above-ground height (a minimum requirement for access)
- Each pier needed QTY: 6 sticks of #5 40" rebar w/ QTY: 7 of #4 rebar 6" retaining rings (double-ring at top).
- A much beefier (ABU46Z) Simpson post-base w/ 10" anchor bolt.
That's not to say yours won't work, I'm just pointing out what was required for a permit.
To other viewers: The vast majority of occupied spaces in the USA require permits, with very few exceptions.
Best of luck with the build!
Thank you sooo much
This is excellent. What is the best way to find out the requirements in my area? Is this generally at the county level? State level? I'm just getting started, trying to learn as much as possible.
so you poured a concrete slab foundation or it's also off the ground on piers ? What is a flared out footer?
@@kateeydelnant5840basically its a plastic funnel that fits at the bottom of each of the pier tubes (right at the bottom of the holes) to spread the weight over a larger diameter, and to prevent the piers from being pulled out. It’s kinda like an elephant foot/leg. Ever get your foot stuck in wet sand/mud and it takes so much effort to pull it back out.
Also, in areas with frost, helps minimise ‘heaving’ (lifting of the foundation).
About the 18" above ground, that's for ground to the bottom of floor joints...being said, that's concrete post above ground plus high of floor beam needed 18" minimum
Take an actual beam, attach all anchors in the right place, Set it up on a make shift scaffolding suport so that your anchor feet reach into the holes correctly, then pour the concrete in the two exterior pillars, let cure, then pour the concrete in the inner ones. Perfectly alligned foundation beam without any tension. Rent a concrete vibrator attachment for your cordless drill pour one third of the pillar let the air out by vibrating, repeat for 2/3 and 3/3.
It’s crazy to see Construction on the main stage now, back when I was a kid my dad was looked down on by Society as a Carpenter/Labor. Now he’s paid in Bay Area as much as a Doctor 😅😂😂
I wonder about adjusting your anchors. If you twist the nut down, it will strip the threads of the bolt, or more likely just strip the concrete. Usually that's OK, but it would leave the building weak to uplift in case of strong winds, tornadoes, or massive flooding.
Agree. Those aren't really adjustable in this application. They may work ok, but could fail due to the high load concentrated on a single 3/4" bearing surface at the end of the bolt. Since nobody is inspecting, you may consider just cutting off the top saddle and putting your beam directly on the pier. You'd probably need a coupling nut + all thread to extend the stub so it will go all the way through the beam. Another alternative is to cut the whole thing off and epoxy in some all-thread, and use a abp-44 or something similar.
My two penneth from Engalnd....I would put the anchors through large galvanised metal 3/8th inch thick discs slightly less than the internal diameter of the tubes, with a blocked-off tube welded on the bottom half to allow easy adjustment. Run a water-draining tube outside the sono from the bottom of the welded tube. Set these level in the concrete of the pillar. Put the anchors through a large thick washer as well as the existing small one. Double up the nuts and grease the thread to allow the nuts to be locked together when adjusted. This will spread the load on each pillar, and make adjustment much easier. When the house is settled, the grease will prevent possible corrosion of the threads, even though they are galvanised. I would also put rebar with rings inside the sono. Thanks for the video. Have subscribed. Best wishes. Tony
People often use rebar or a wire frame in sonotubes to provide more strength. You have insane energy to mix all that concrete in one day.
Hahah the 200mg of caffeine in Celsius is real 😅
I used helical screw piles. They don’t sink, aren’t affected by freeze. Resist uplift and will outlive me. Best of all they were all installed in one day and I was framing the next day.
Cool to see each step of the journey of this build. You are really building this from the ground up Devon! Appreciate that you include the costs for each step of construction too!
Yeah I figured I haven't seen people putting real costs in most build videos which I always wanted when I watched other builds.
Thank you for your brilliant video. I plan on buying a tiny home but have no idea about foundation.
Incredible job man, so impressive that you're doing this solo
Yeah! Labor is just so expensive and I figured I'd probs learn some things along the way!
Should put a 2’ level across the top of those tubes to ensure they aren’t tipping too much. You want a level finished surface on concrete piers.
I think the goal was to rush through it, get it built so he can sell it. I would even vibrate the air bubbles out of the concrete, not just poke the trowel into the top 3 inches.
Thank you for this. every tiny home build I've seen is usually just a time-lapse. Your explanation gives me confidence to one day do this myself.
What do you guys like/want to see more of in my videos? Really trying to make these videos as helpful/fun as possible for y'all!
I had an idea for the final video of the project, would be cool if you did a panning shot everytime you are doing a video on the site, but do it from the same spot at the same speed, then you could show the progess from start to finish of the construction!
I’d appreciate you sharing the resources you used for determining how many piers you needed along with any other math or common code items you think are important to do/follow/familiarize yourself with in preparation for a similar build. Our son is mid-low functioning aut¡st¡c and will live with us forever (or at least until it’s time for him to live with his big sister) so we are planning to build him a bachelor pad similar to what you have planned or possibly more like your “micro” apartment within the next year.
If you do another build can you show more details on framing cuts, angles, types of screws and where to place them. Also how to tie walls together and make sure they’re plum, same thing with the flooring. Delivering as much information as possible will make your channel stand out more than anyone. I can’t find much about the whole build process anywhere.
@@philipadcock3508 Try Perkins Builder Brothers they follow the entire process building houses a d offer a lot of “Pro Tips” along the wayBonus is their entertaining crew so their videos are entertaining too.
Great that you're giving the average viewer a good look into the importance & fundamentals of foundations. Especially w/ recent high profile "leaning tower" skyscrapers in San Francisco & NY, arising from faulty foundations.
I saw a video about the one in NY! That's kinda wild. Also I don't claim to be an expert with any of this* just trying to take risks and give it my best shot at life and not live a boring life like so many tend to do.
Love seeing your project come to life.
Thanks!!!
you can also mix cocreat with drill attachment used to mix plasters and glue its super fast
Great energy, very pleasant. Great job
Thank you! I stumbled across your video just as I'm about to start a solo project and, coincidentally, you're doing it in the same dimensions as me. And I was wondering how I was going to find water... In short, you've answered all my questions!!!
Such an awesome video and excellent n lot if work!!! Congrats!!
I just discovered this channel today. Love it! Awesome videos and I very much enjoyed watching the whole series. And the house you build earlier… it just looks so amazing. I am only 17 years old and would love to build myself a house like that one day as well. Best wishes from Germany ;)
Thanks for following along! I lived in Berlin for 6 months and loved it. Welcome to the team!
highly recommend the Harbor Tool mixer... i did 30 thousand pounds in mixing for retaining block wall, foundations, and 20 by 15 patio slab,,, good job on your work
that was awesome ! most videos don't spend enough time explaining the foundations - but as you said, it's the most important part ! Definitely taking some notes for my project :D
I still see people putting treated wood poles straight into the ground -- and I don't get how they sleep at night knowing their house won't hold long !
In the moment that I was just think, o look this young man and all those "influencer" and you say... I have a lot of views and no subscribers, so I think that was like telepathy, few days ago i criticize some youngsters in what they are in to and something about falce idols and etc..they probably were angry may be crying but it was hurtful truth. You are bright young man and you are literally showing how to live. I would glad to subscribe and like your video. I recommend every youngster to like your video nor they are living in town or village because in life you dont knowe where you will end up. Keep going man!
Concrete without steel rebar is absolutely not gonna last. It will crumble with time. Always always add rebar to concrete.
Love your content man, it's so informative! Question, you had mentioned about 3 months ago you were making a video about how you grew your following. Is that video gonna drop soon?!
such an underrated channel
Can't wait to see it develop
Keep watching it's all done!
Always look forward to your videos
I appreciate that!
Holy Devon you are an actual CHAMP brother. That was an insane video, huge work, love the videos. Double checked to make sure I'm subbed just incase xD and I definitely am
Can't wait for the next one!
Hahahah thanks Andrew! I just finished my budget breakdown timeline now I gotta film it!!
Man, a drill with $15 mixing paddle would have saved you hours and calories.
awesome job.
No adjustment once poured, I was confused on what you meant by adjustable. That would be cool if you could though!! Nice work I can wait to see the finished product!
They are adjustable. I have done it once now that the home has loaded the piers
Devon great job on all of your projects. You know what you are doing. FYI they make another threaded connector similar to what you used but the threaded rod has a J-hook at the end that anchors into the concrete to prevent lift. You place them in while concrete is wet and then later the U-bean bracket is connect to the end and you have two washers and nuts for leveling.
I went through the same process as you a few years ago when I built a structure in the middle of the woods. I laughed when you showed the clip of going to the river for water. I had to do the same exact thing since I don't have a well yet.
hahah yeah... gotta do what you gotta do.
Nice work
A large shopvac makes easy work of getting fill out of the bottom of those holes. Quick and easy on the body.
Thanks for the informative video. Nicely produced. Could you please explain one thing for me. How does the nut adjust the bracket up and down if the threads are set in concrete. Thanks
Thank your lucky stars, man.
Mine are all jackhammered into sub- surface boulders. Strong as can be but a lot of work.
I like the sleeves though !👍
you could run strings from tube to tube, level them and mark where to cut, so later you dont need to custom cut your posts
That woulda been a good idea. I just finished framing the posts yesterday unfortunately. Trying to get base framing video out a week from now!
@@devonloeropbut now you could try it in your next project 😅
Looking good!
Thank you! Cheers!
I'm having trouble seeing how those anchors adjust. I would think the threaded rod would go through the plate to allow you to adjust up and down, but it looks like it's attached at the bottom with no hole in the plate. Gotta watch the next video to see how.
You realize that you can never adjust those post anchors. The thread is imbeaded in the concrete so when you turn that bolt it will not move. You should of sleeved the treads or Atleast taped them slowing them to slide up
Thank you I didn't have to comment.
He did though in the next video
The bolts aren’t that set up in the concrete and aren’t very deep so when he adjusts them the bolts will pull up through the concrete. There won’t be any protection from uplift since the bolts are just sitting in a hole in the concrete and could essentially be lifted straight out. Unless he’s in tornado alley or in an earthquake zone I doubt it will be an issue. I personally would not use that system.
@@cabinman I see what you mean
@@cabinman They aren't rated for #1 non-top supported structures #2 to be adjusted after set or set after the concrete has dried they need adhesive #3 the weight capacity isn't sufficient for 12 of those for that size cabin with snow loads, snow loads are as much as 21 pounds per square foot. This is why the structure and foundation should be engineered. It's the same as supporting the entire structure on just four (4) 2.25 inch (two and one fourth inch square or round) steel posts.
They are this product and you can see all the specs on the manufacturer website including the load bearing capacity.
Simpson Strong-Tie EPB 4-in x 4-in Hot-dipped Galvanized Wood To Concrete (Cast In Place) Base
Item #1944512 |
Model #EPB44PHDG
Great video! How long did you wait from pouring concrete to wet setting the anchors?
Devon do you think this foundation is good for a container homes as well?
5:42 I have a saying I always use when I run into that one troubled 'whatever' in the job process... "there's always one that just has to ruin it for the rest". 😅
Is a bolt 4 in deep in concrete strong or capable enough to make this work long-term?
Where do you store all your tools?
Really enjoying seeing the progress. Thanks for the videos. I would make one recommendation and that is to not play the in-between music soooo loud.
A lazer level would help you so so much in making your piles level. That would save you tons of hassle down the road.
is rebar not needed? asking cause im thinking of doing this too
For all those arrogantly commenting about every little thing he did wrong, this guy was an engineer for a living, and now he’s doing what many of you do for a living: building structures.
He can do what you do, but you can’t do what he does.
You’re not on his level bro.
Lol keep telling yourself that. The engineers in my city would never issue a permit for this foundation.
@@crosisofborg5524 😂 did you watch the video? He was a software engineer. Your brain didn’t pick up on that did it? 😂
I’m curious, no rebar needed?
I’m working on my shed foundation. It’s only 192sq feet, I’m doing 4 16’ skids attached to piers for a total of 20. I don’t need a permit for this build, but they do say I need to do minimum of 24” deep 8” pier. I’m going 28” deep and I’m doing rebar, maybe overkill? 🤔🤷🏻♂️
how do you plan on fine adjusting the anchor bolts that are set in concrete?
He can't. The nut and on the threads is the tighten the the bolt to the concrete. Washer bears directly on the concrete. These are not adjustable
You're amazing! How did you make sure all the holes were in line before you used the sting?
Also how did you make sure all the concrete was level with one another?
Piers don't have to be leveled, since anchors can be adjusted.
and posts can be cut at different lengths@@antoniorivera3950
Great series, so did you space the beams 6' or 7' apart? I've seen people space them 8' to line up right on the floor rim board. I'm trying to figure which is best, I like the idea of overhang like you did. How much over hang will your floor have over your beams? Thanks so much!
It was roughly 1'. I kept the beams in because I knew it wasn't going to be perfectly straight with piers so I could then extend the floor joists and have a little flexibility to square it all off
Good point! Didn't think about that.@@devonloerop
No rebar?
Or footers
The Cedar Chalet!
Interesting, I always thought those anchors were installed to dry Conkrete
Impressive!!! And You can do advertisements for Tesla too (is that a Model 3?) 🙂
Do you have winter? Is 3ft below the frost depth there? Clay soil is the worst for frost heave.
Yeah frost is 6" here
thats the softest digging ive ever seen
Why no permit? I live in Washington state also.
Can you provide a little more info about permits and regulations? Like did you hire ana rchitect to submit plans to the city, or did you do it yourself? Also, did you need permits for septic and water? :)
This is the part that has me interested as well. I have never seen anywhere in the US that allows residential structure over 200 square feet to be built without permitting.
@@Behine.DeChilisunincorporated towns are the easiest. My county only requires septic and electrical permits. That's it.
Animal Protest! Lol😂 that Robin earlier? Was it nesting season when you did the driveway? Heard horrible stories about Rabbit nests in grass then someone mows😭
Where did you rent the Auger from? What is the proper name for this machine because I can't find any that can dig 36" - 48 which is the requirement in New York
you're probably going to have to dig a bigger hole just to get an augur in there, if you don't get an even bigger one, to my knowledge.
Its that damn frost line.
look up well digging stuff perhaps?
Good luck
Bro what is the model on the dingo and where did you purchase for under 600 dollars? Thanks.
It's rented, not bought
You Crack me up but I'm getting this watching you. This is what I'm also doing.
Can you please help me with a question about piers? How do I know what diameter each pier needs to be? We have no permits where I live. My room addition will be 24'x14'. Can't seem to get a straight answer on this. Thanks a bunch!
Unfortunately you're going to have to reach out to an engineer for specifications.
id probably dry pour the first couple bags in each hole and mix in the hole then mix the last couple bags to pour on top
How far apart did you place the quilt-tubes?
7' apart
Power auger , good
No level , bad
No re-bar , bad
Total clown act. Give him a thumbs down. This is horrible
Looks great! Did you consider leveling the land and building on skids? My tiny cabin will be a bit smaller (12x18) but I'm debating skids vs concrete piers right now.
I wanted to do piers so I can get to all my plumbing and electrical easier and it gives a cool view of the forest.
@@devonloerop Makes sense. I think I'm going to go that route too. We just finished excavating our site so I'm excited to get going on it!
I learned years ago... If it's more than ten bags of concrete to mix up then rent the good mixer. Life's too short for that sh!t.
Yeah... I have hand mixed 200+ 80lb bags on this build so far 😅
What are the dimensions of the house?
You deserve that harbor freight mixer.
😬
I hope everyone realizes that you’re not getting the air out of a 4-6 foot cylinder of concrete by dunking half the trowel in the top part. Idk how much the structure will weigh but putting zero reinforcement in that concrete seems insane…even fiber fill, hardware cloth or wire fencing would’ve been worth the minor cost for peace of mind.
Compact that
Chicken claws foot foundation also the best option
11:03 Anchor thread length? I thought they had to go super deep into concrete. Also could you have maybe used dual bolt vertical anchors, (where one of the bolts is adjustable under the plate) set with resin or concrete, then the height would be adjustable? Idk 🤷♀️ watching from the UK after binge watching @oakwoodgardenrooms builds.
Also watching you lift the walls into place on another video, I was on the edge of my seat! 😱 The trusses were bowing 😱 good luck in all your endeavors 👍
They are this product and you can see all the specs on the manufacturer website including the load bearing capacity.
Simpson Strong-Tie EPB 4-in x 4-in Hot-dipped Galvanized Wood To Concrete (Cast In Place) Base
Item #1944512 |
Model #EPB44PHDG
Not sure I would ever wear shorts while doing construction, but good work on the video.
What the size of the foundation? I wonder if a regular slab wouldn't have been cheaper (poured with a concrete truck)? We pay 250CAD/m3 delivered. I poured a 12'x16' chicken coop with rebar for under 1000CAD (had about 4 m3 of concrete). Would a concrete truck been able to go there?
I can't get a truck up there.
@@devonloerop Ok then it makes sense. Should be a decent foundation!
I see you didn’t use a lever for tubes. Is that alignment crucial
it is crucial, I did use levels for that as well, just cant see in timelapse
Time to set up a trail cam
Awesome that your airBnd is going so good financial freedom :) good luck!
Thanks! I feel so blessed it is doing well!
What does building this unpermited mean? Is this legal?
My city allows me to build a second building on my property of no more than 200 square feet unpermitted. The number of buildings allowed is determined by my lot size. I'd say if he has acreage he's probably allowed something much larger than I am.
In PA and perhaps some other states, you can ask for a waiver for a recreational cabin for personal use. But I can't imagine those would be allowed to rent out. The liability risks of renting out unpermitted buildings are scary.
the rod w/ steel plate on it u r driving thru the concrete will not resist lateral force strong earthquake will topple it down..
How big is the Square foot of the Home?
400SF -- 28x14
Don’t you need rebar???
You dug 4 ft holes but only cut tubes so short? Whatbwere the sitting on
Why are these foundations not considered end to be long term durable?
They shift over time and aren't one system like a conventional footing/slab foundation. But if you design in adjustability and are okay leveling every 10 years it's totally fine!
@@devonloerop was asking for a home project that ill probably never do. Good stuff!😃
You used the wrong type of anchors. Those are not designed for wet set. They also will not adjust as you're saying.
Hmmm so you are doing 18x24.
1 story plus roof, that’s calculation for 75psi.
That should be around 3600 total load.
Each beam should be (2)1-1/4 x 9-1/4 LVL or (3)2x12. Spaced at 6ft would be (2)2x12.
That sonotube better be filled w/concrete at 3500 psi
Thanks for posting the load/psi numbers. I’d like to go up to a second floor using the base area of 18’x24’. Any recommendations? Thinking 15 sonotubes but not sure on the type of concrete? Also, can the adjustable anchors handle the weight of over time?
@@sleeperpick86 3500 psi concrete is fine. Going 2 floors my assumption would be running 3 rows of 3 footings at equal distance along the 24ft length.
(reminder: get a local engineer/architect to work with you)Rest the beams on those footings and using a microllam you're looking at (2)1-3/4 x 9-1/2 with 2x8 joists and 4" lvl posts w/ (2)1-3/4 x 9-1/2 spanning 12ft for your floor above. Otherwise you're looking at (3)2"x12" to (4)2"x12" regular lumber .
Then you need to worry about shear walls, uplifting, etc.
P.S. I meant to write psf and not psi. Autocorrect probably did that.
If you want a crash course for calculating loads, draw a rectangle and trace a line in the middle. That line is what we will be calculating for as a beam. So, the weight that beam will bear is going to be half the distance to each side.
In other words, it will be 4.5' to the right and 4.5' to the left. So, we add those two number to get the tributary length width = 9 ft.
Then, we need to get the total load which is calculated in pounds per linear foot(plf). So, you multiply the 9ft by 50 psf which is the weight of a living space floor per square foot = 9ftx50psf = 450 psf.
To that total load we need to add a safety factor of 25%. Therefore, we multiply 450psf x 1.25 = 563 plf which is the total load on that beam.
Now, you get your charts and base that on the longest span from footing to footing. Since we said we were going to do 3 footings along the 24ft length, we will be dividing that space into 2 equal lengths. So it will be 24ft/2 = 12ft.
Look up in your charts from google what microllam or regular lumber can support a floor weight of at least 563plf at 12ft span.
*Always consult your local professional structural engineering before attempting to do any work yourself*
@@sleeperpick86 oh and to answer your question, yes, those post base connectors will do fine but you want to rest the beams on top of the footings. So, make your footings go higher and if going with heavy beams, do 16" diameter sonotubes. For decks, 4x4 posts are fine.
Hi, I love the video! I’m doing a 16x32 tiny home, home many pillars should I do? And how many pounds were your bags of concrete mix?
audio is not mixed properly gets way too loud
Only 5% of us watching your videos have subscribed?#%!?! That can’t be true🤔 Your content is so good and very transparent, you definitely deserve those last 95% to click the subscribe button!
I agreeee haha 😅
It’s because he doesn’t know what he’s doing. Don’t listen to this guy. Never in my life seen anybody put cardboard tube into the ground? This is crazy. Doesn’t make any sense at all.
Let's be honest, Snoeyink already taught you Geometry
U need a J bolt in your anchor bolt into concrete
The guy is a complete clown.
+ One of the best attitudes on youtube.. - not a level used or in sight :) hahaha
Hahahah I did have one and actually did run through between one of the video takes to make sure I wasn't wildly off on any of them before I started to pour
@@devonloerop hahaha okay good :)
This is a clown act!!
Dude get the HF concrete mixer. It’s cheap and works great for low volume. You are young now and think it is no big deal. Just because you can muscle through doesn’t mean you should. Later in life you will thank the younger you. Life is an endurance race.
if i would have hit river bed, i would have dug it all up and find some gold.
Haha that would have been wild to find some gold
Hey man, how the heck are you going to screw your ankers up and down. Maybe you can’t see it in the video but i don’t think these are hight adjustable like you want them to be😂
I'm out here framing it right now and just leveled it as planned a few minutes ago. Obviously once the home is loaded I'll need to add jacks under the home, adjust, then release the jack. It worked just as planned.
Hopefully you’ll share that on the next video. I agree with the comment
I thought the same thing. I think the threaded part sits inside a sleeve which is what is set in the concrete.
For jobs like this, rent a concrete mixer at Home Depot. You'll be glad you did.