A-10 Losses in Operation Desert Storm (Part 2)

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  • čas přidán 25. 12. 2023
  • In mid February 1991, A-10 pilots were asked to attack the elite Iraqi Medina Republican Guard division located deep behind the front lines. Warthog was not exactly built for such an operation and on 15th of February, it clearly showed.
    Main source:
    - William Smallwood - Warthog: Flying the A-10 in the Gulf War
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Komentáře • 154

  • @showtime112
    @showtime112  Před 5 měsíci +26

    Tail codes on aircraft shown in this video are not historically accurate as there's only one European Green skin available for A-10A in DCS. Thank you for your understanding!

    • @PappaBear_yt
      @PappaBear_yt Před 5 měsíci +3

      I wanted to ask you what camo did A-10 fly with during the Desert Storm? Was it European green, US gray or did they already start using desert camo (if at all)? Or the mix of all..? 🤔

    • @dominiqueroudier9401
      @dominiqueroudier9401 Před 5 měsíci +1

      Seen vidéo...at work. A10 were hit by SAM 13 Gopher.,strella10.. warhead is 5kg high explosive, fragmentation. Guided by hit or proximity by laser.

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  Před 5 měsíci +2

      @@PappaBear_yt As far as I can tell, all or almost all of them wore European Green.

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@dominiqueroudier9401 I hope my videos don't get you in trouble 😁

    • @dominiqueroudier9401
      @dominiqueroudier9401 Před 5 měsíci

      @@showtime112 absolutely not....send you by mail the 3 crash reports. . Will rewatch tomorrow morning on TV. Other issue with A10 canopy. Must eject canopy before éjection seat. Too hard to broke glass with explosive cord.

  • @donparker1823
    @donparker1823 Před 5 měsíci +29

    I remember just after this war that an A-10 Squadron Commander did a presentation at our base. The A-10 had performed so well that the mission planners started using it for everything. The crews were being worn down pretty hard. He told the staff that although he appreciated the confidence they had in his squadron that perhaps they could give some other squadron some of their confidence until they could reconstitute a little bit.

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  Před 5 měsíci +7

      Thanks for sharing that experience! I guess, when you are really good at something, everyone expects you just keep doing it. That's the price of success :)

    • @MrFelixset
      @MrFelixset Před 5 měsíci +1

      Mission creep

  • @offshorequest
    @offshorequest Před 5 měsíci +15

    Flying missions that it was never designed for, it did an incredible job. Thanks for another great video.

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  Před 5 měsíci +2

      Thank you for the positive feedback!

  • @donparker1823
    @donparker1823 Před 5 měsíci +4

    Thanks!

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  Před 5 měsíci +1

      Thank you for another donation!

  • @chrishouseman4781
    @chrishouseman4781 Před 5 měsíci +11

    The A-10 was great against Sitting Duck targets but now the A10 is now a Sitting Duck against new air defense systems

  • @marcomarcon5802
    @marcomarcon5802 Před 5 měsíci +17

    The A-10 was supposed to be an armoured 'flying tank', in reality it could be taken down by ordinary, first-generation MANPADs like any other low flying plane. This is why the USA preferred medium altitude - i.e. above MANPAD range - bombing missions after SAM batteries have been suppressed

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  Před 5 měsíci +7

      True but it still demonstrated great resilience as a whole bunch of them came back. Some were indeed taken by surprise with that change to medium altitude and adjustments had to be made as the war was going on.

    • @matthewcaughey8898
      @matthewcaughey8898 Před 5 měsíci

      If you come streaking in just off the trees you’ll probably be able to dump a whole mess of cluster bombs or make a good pass before the guy with the MANPADs can even get it up and turned on. Once you drop below his line of sight what’s he supposed to shoot at?

    • @tsikavimandry3600
      @tsikavimandry3600 Před 5 měsíci

      After the start of Russia's aggression against Ukraine, even the newest Russian planes were shot down by first-generation MANPADS.

    • @Eleolius
      @Eleolius Před 5 měsíci +6

      ​@@matthewcaughey8898The other A10s. The A10's problem was speed, and not having it. Many of these A10s, if not most, were hit on the way out of the target runs- because on climbout, they are slower than most WWII warbirds, and way, way bigger targets.
      Resilience is impressive. But the relative loss rates of the A10 versus other platforms speaks for itself: It was on the teetering edge of obsolete even back then.
      I love the A10. But the thing is way too much cost and risk for the capability- 95% of which any other USAF platform had, plus more survibability, even back then.

    • @guaporeturns9472
      @guaporeturns9472 Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@matthewcaughey8898what trees?

  • @jaws848
    @jaws848 Před 5 měsíci +5

    Was not expecting this today so thank you very much.👍👍👍

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  Před 5 měsíci +3

      To be honest, it was supposed to be a single video but I was a little late so I split it in two parts :) Thanks for another comment!

    • @jaws848
      @jaws848 Před 5 měsíci +3

      @@showtime112 you are most welcome...love your channel.i could binge watch you all day.👍👍👍

  • @bensmith7536
    @bensmith7536 Před 5 měsíci +11

    Your channel mixes simple, easy to listen to narrative with relevant video, that tell a story / make a history lesson. Great job.

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  Před 5 měsíci +4

      I'm glad you think so, thank you! What you describes it the general goal of the videos.

  • @starfighter1043
    @starfighter1043 Před 5 měsíci +6

    Wow it really puts the current wars in perspective!

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  Před 5 měsíci +3

      The present can often be better understood if you look at the past. Thank you for commenting!

  • @oveidasinclair982
    @oveidasinclair982 Před 5 měsíci +11

    A-10's were rugged, but not invincible

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  Před 5 měsíci +7

      True but then again, only F-15 seems to be invincible :)

    • @guaporeturns9472
      @guaporeturns9472 Před 5 měsíci +2

      @@showtime112Not invincible to AAA or SAMs.

    • @renefischerbr
      @renefischerbr Před 5 měsíci +3

      ​@@showtime112 only in air-to-air combat... officially... and that's debatable too (Samurra Air Battle)... there were confirmed losses of F-15Es Strike Eagles during Desert Storm too. Maybe a theme for a next video 😉.

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@renefischerbr I was being funny. Or trying to be 😁 F-15E might be a topic for another video, sure.

    • @renefischerbr
      @renefischerbr Před 5 měsíci +1

      ​@@showtime112 that would be awesome!

  • @matthewcaughey8898
    @matthewcaughey8898 Před 5 měsíci +4

    The problem with the hog was they were flying at medium altitude which was perfect for short range SAMS and MANPADS systems. The A-10 lost its biggest advantage when operating at those altitudes. The intent of the A-10 was to come in screaming at low level treetop heights and its straight wings and twin tails were supposedly there to give it supreme maneuverability at those low levels. Being that low was supposed to make it more difficult for a SAM to get a lock or be pointed in the wrong direction by the time the hog had blitzed in and out. Long range strikes like as portrayed here should have been strike eagle missions cause the F-15 could throttle up or turn violently enough to break a SAM lock plus have the electronic jamming capability to throw it off. Combating ground units with SAMs should involve a jamming aircraft to make it tougher for enemies to hit A-10s or other attackers

    • @timonsolus
      @timonsolus Před 5 měsíci +1

      Looks like the USAF mission planners held the Iraqi air defences in contempt - and the A-10s paid the price of underestimating the enemy.

    • @gort8203
      @gort8203 Před 2 měsíci

      They were flying at medium altitude to stay above most AAA and MADPADS, which were the biggest theat. Medium to high altitude SAMs were suppressed or destroyed by SEAD; if not the A-10 would not have been able to operate at all.
      BTW, the A-10 doesn't "scream in" or "blitz in" even when pedaling as hard as it can. And jets that do scream in at treetop level can't see anything until they are on top of it. If you are so low that the enemy can't see you, you can't see them either. It's easier to see an aircraft from the ground than it is to see and object on the ground from the air.

  • @ThePilot4ever
    @ThePilot4ever Před 5 měsíci +6

    Gotta love green warthogs. Curious about the reoccurring stick malfunctions that happened after being hit though.
    Just throwing it out there. Ever heard about Pink's War? It's the only RAF loss that I can think off between the world wars caused by enemy action. Apparently Bristol F.2b's and D.H.9's were involved. Kinda cool

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  Před 5 měsíci +4

      Green is so much more fun than grey :) As for the stick malfunctions, I suppose that hydraulic system was damaged in all the cases and while the manual reversion exists, it is quite tricky to fly the airplane that way and maybe impossible to restore control over it once it starts to spin seriously.
      I have to say I have never heard of the Pink's War before. Perhaps it would be interesting to cover but the problem is that simulations really don't cover that inter-war period at all and there's no aircraft available.

    • @ThePilot4ever
      @ThePilot4ever Před 5 měsíci

      @@showtime112 I had my money on the autopilot wiring but hydraulics make more sense. Pinks war wasn't a request but i'm happy you considered it. afaik the aircraft involved are all available in Great Battles but the desert/rock environment to replicate Indias border are non existent in the game, so a no go anyway.

  • @darhammora7867
    @darhammora7867 Před 5 měsíci +4

    Hope to see details losses on all types like F-16,F-15, F/A-18, A-6... etc

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  Před 5 měsíci +2

      Yes, those might be topics of future videos.

  • @jaydeister9305
    @jaydeister9305 Před 5 měsíci +3

    Great video!
    I went to that war!

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  Před 5 měsíci +1

      Thank you for the comment! That footage is from the Iraqi side which might have used a different date stamping :)

  • @paulstanton7153
    @paulstanton7153 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Both part1 and part2 really good

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  Před 5 měsíci

      I'm glad you think so, thank you!

  • @EddietheBastard
    @EddietheBastard Před 2 měsíci

    Important to note that A10 and Tornado both suffered disproportionate casualties during periods of very specific high-risk tasking - massive issues with that tasking more than either aircraft.

  • @branka1980
    @branka1980 Před 5 měsíci +5

    👍

  • @branka4226
    @branka4226 Před 5 měsíci +3

    Nice video!

  • @privatesteverogers
    @privatesteverogers Před 5 měsíci +2

    I love this video. You gave great attention to detail to the pilots movements in the cockpit. When you include a picture of the pilot it shows a real person and not some figure in a plane.
    Also when you see the pilot's hands on the joystick and his head turning left to right searching for the missile it makes the whole video more realistic.
    Another point is when he ejects and you see the parachute and him landing on the ground it is very lifelike.
    Therefore it shows the hard work you have put into the video and I am very pleased with your results. Great job!
    I remember seeing this mission on Modern Marvels : 20:44
    m.czcams.com/video/3ik9B3NZcMU/video.html
    It is good that you chose this subject to reenact because it remembers and honors the American pilots who gave their lives during the conflict. Thank you.
    If you chose to continue making videos about the Gulf War a great idea would be the dogfight of Capt. Anthony “E.T.” Murphy because he shot down two Iraqi SU-22 fighters in Desert Storm. I would very much like to see this if it is possible.
    Remember, your objective is to make the videos just like the Dogfights series from the History Channel. That is what you're doing: gaining experience and perfecting your knowledge and skills with each video you post.
    Keep up the good work!

  • @hans-joachimtenhoope1744
    @hans-joachimtenhoope1744 Před 5 měsíci +1

    2:22 The A10 30mm grenades travel faster than the speed of sound, or, to quote a saying, "If you hear the A10 firing its avenger cannon, you were not the target. 😉"

  • @allgood6760
    @allgood6760 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Thanks and your channel is awesome! 👍🇳🇿✈️

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  Před 5 měsíci +1

      I'm happy to hear it, thank you!

  • @TheLincolnshireFlyer
    @TheLincolnshireFlyer Před 5 měsíci +1

    Thanks for the video 😊

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  Před 5 měsíci

      Thank you for watching and commenting!

  • @guaporeturns9472
    @guaporeturns9472 Před 5 měsíci

    Good job Showtime

  • @chulian1819
    @chulian1819 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Have my like for the VHS/old video effects, keep it up!

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  Před 5 měsíci

      I'm glad you liked it. I constantly try to improve those effects since I think it contributes to the overall experience.

  • @eduardodeandres3864
    @eduardodeandres3864 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Gracias. Sois unos máquinas

  • @dominiqueroudier9401
    @dominiqueroudier9401 Před 5 měsíci +5

    F..k😢., I am at ❤😫work

  • @juancarlosperezcortes9259
    @juancarlosperezcortes9259 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Great video. It would be nice to have you as History teacher. Aerial Warfare 01

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  Před 5 měsíci

      Thanks a lot! But I'm not sure I would enjoy teaching history to a bunch of kids 😁 In fact, I have very few viewers under 25.

  • @khankurblaj3934
    @khankurblaj3934 Před 5 měsíci +2

    They weren't facing real enemy, that's why loses were so small

    • @user-tt6il2up4o
      @user-tt6il2up4o Před 5 měsíci +1

      Look at Vietnam as a guide.
      Us never fights anyone who can fight back

    • @khankurblaj3934
      @khankurblaj3934 Před 5 měsíci

      @@user-tt6il2up4o amen that

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  Před 5 měsíci

      Another explanation would be that they were getting ready to fight the Warsaw Pact for decades. And they probably overestimated them as well. So, when they faced Iraqi armed forces, it looked like an easy victory.

  • @andywells397
    @andywells397 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Top cover goes in first and the hogs eats up whats left..plenty of rescue choppers in the air to recover downed pilots.

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  Před 5 měsíci

      I remember there is a book about SAR operations in Desert Storm, it's on my 'very long term' reading list :)

  • @mattfgln
    @mattfgln Před 5 měsíci +1

    the F-111s destroyed more tanks than the A-10s in desert storm

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  Před 5 měsíci +2

      Maybe, but one interesting thing is that tanks were not A-10's priority. They were instructed to destroy artillery first since Army wasn't too worried about Iraqi tanks. They felt (correctly) they could handle them. But they were afraid of artillery so A-10s went for it first.

  • @axel665
    @axel665 Před 4 měsíci +1

    When heatblur f-4e releases what mission are you going to do with it

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  Před 4 měsíci

      A lot of them :) There's a bunch of claims that F-4Es made in Vietnam (20 or so, some with the gun). Then there's the Israeli-Arab War of Atrition and the 1973 War, Iran-Iraq War and even Desert Storm. There's enough material for dozens of videos.

  • @jeannezehner9450
    @jeannezehner9450 Před 5 měsíci +7

    This next part is always interesting. Despite of the losses about this plane during DESERT STORM, the A-10 stay an excellent attack aircraft, and the US AIR FORCE have no substitute for it at this moment. They try to keep it for a long time.

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  Před 5 měsíci +5

      Or some would say that the Air Force is trying to get rid of the A-10 but politicians don't allow them :)

    • @jeannezehner9450
      @jeannezehner9450 Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@showtime112
      Anyway, the cell have aged now, it's an old plane.

    • @dominiqueroudier9401
      @dominiqueroudier9401 Před 5 měsíci

      Avec les hélicos , c'était le seul zinc a s'approcher du sol, donc de la DCA et des SAM. Et la ...dinde 🦃 veut le remplacer😂😂

    • @jeannezehner9450
      @jeannezehner9450 Před 5 měsíci

      @@dominiqueroudier9401
      Mais la Dinde est furtive !!!

    • @dominiqueroudier9401
      @dominiqueroudier9401 Před 5 měsíci

      @@jeannezehner9450 Pour qui veut bien l,'avoir( la voir😉) et quand elle a du plomb dans laile🍗

  • @jdsaldivar5606
    @jdsaldivar5606 Před 5 měsíci

    82ND AIRBORNE
    I served in a Tank Killer unit. (rotary wing ) Thee A-10 is a Tank Killer. JAAT missions.
    Joint Air Attack Team. The Scouts looked for targets...then call the A-10...Arousing.

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  Před 5 měsíci

      I'm sure it was :) So, you were helicopter crew?

    • @jdsaldivar5606
      @jdsaldivar5606 Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@showtime112
      82ND AIRBORNE
      Yes Sir...OH- 58's.

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  Před 5 měsíci

      @@jdsaldivar5606 Cool! It's my (long term) plan to try to learn helicopters in DCS. When OH-58 module gets released, I might ask for your help 🙂

    • @jdsaldivar5606
      @jdsaldivar5606 Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@showtime112
      82ND AIRBORNE
      I do what I can...for my people.

  • @PappaBear_yt
    @PappaBear_yt Před 5 měsíci +1

    Of course we press like! 😉🙋🏼‍♂️

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  Před 5 měsíci +1

      If everyone were like you, I'd be breathing down Mr Beast's neck by now :)

    • @PappaBear_yt
      @PappaBear_yt Před 5 měsíci

      @@showtime112 😁👍🏻

  • @eugeneoreilly9356
    @eugeneoreilly9356 Před 5 měsíci +4

    An A10 pilot struck a convoy of British warrior APC,s killing around dozen troops.

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  Před 5 měsíci +1

      Yes, this was one of the blue on blue incidents in that conflict.

    • @user-tt6il2up4o
      @user-tt6il2up4o Před 5 měsíci +1

      My grandfather was in artillery in ww2 from 39/45.
      He said the USAF was the one thing that frightened him the most as they just shot everything up.
      He said you could tell if the Germans were after you but the yanks just shot up,and bombed anything.
      And he was hit by German counter battery fire on one occasion.

    • @chickenfishhybrid44
      @chickenfishhybrid44 Před 3 měsíci

      @@user-tt6il2up4o sure he did.

  • @indigohammer5732
    @indigohammer5732 Před 5 měsíci

    The fact that F111 aircraft destroyed way more armour than the A10’s is never ever mentioned. What was designed to be a tough aircraft, is now as rugged as hand blown Venetian glass

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  Před 5 měsíci

      I wouldn't agree that it was never mentioned since I clearly remember hearing about it.

    • @knowahnosenothing4862
      @knowahnosenothing4862 Před 5 měsíci

      90% of the time is was hit with gun system AA it survived, 15% of the time it was hit with SAM's or MANPADS it survived. It makes me wonder if they managed to rig modern tank Active Protective Systems like Trophy to it, would it improve it's survivability to something similar to the gun statistics.

  • @user-tt6il2up4o
    @user-tt6il2up4o Před 5 měsíci

    Us airforce is great when the other side doesn’t have one

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  Před 5 měsíci

      The other side had a pretty large air force in this conflict.

  • @darhammora7867
    @darhammora7867 Před 5 měsíci

    Let's see the details of losses during 2003 OIF

  • @Mezmirize
    @Mezmirize Před 4 měsíci

    We need also tornado losts in dw 1991

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  Před 3 měsíci

      That would be interesting but it will probably wait for Tornado module in DCS.

  • @Archer89201
    @Archer89201 Před 5 měsíci

    A-10s took many losses and even those that survived took too much damage , hence the F-16s and F-15Es took over its role

  • @janlindtner305
    @janlindtner305 Před 5 měsíci

    👍👍👍

  • @joshuameader8898
    @joshuameader8898 Před 4 měsíci

    Yes the Tornado suffered 6 losses if I'm not wrong. Those RAF airmen were the bravest of the brave. God Bless them. The A-10 flew many many more missions than the Tornado GR1's though and suffered the same loss rate. Just goes to saying. Slow and low tech can still wreck the enemy. Yeah you'll take losses. Thank you all our Coalition airmen who fought in 1991.

  • @zhanibeksarkulov5532
    @zhanibeksarkulov5532 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Рахмет🔥🔥👍👍👍

  • @mrjackpots1326
    @mrjackpots1326 Před 5 měsíci

    This is a good object lesson for people who think sending A-10s to Ukraine is a good idea. They are unlikely to survive in heavily defended airspace and against more advanced missiles than the Iraqis had.

    • @burningphoneix
      @burningphoneix Před 5 měsíci

      The Su-25s the Ukrainians had lasted a long time. They're probably better suited to the environment than whatever F-16 variant is shipped out there.

  • @JohnWick-yh5kn
    @JohnWick-yh5kn Před 3 měsíci

    Cionistički avioni

  • @kindaeasy9797
    @kindaeasy9797 Před 10 dny

    just another overhyped western equipment

  • @chups1447
    @chups1447 Před 5 měsíci +2

    👍

  • @medokrusko
    @medokrusko Před 5 měsíci +1

    👍