Disastrous Second Argentine Attack at Fitzroy (Falklands 1982)
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- After the initial successful attack on two unprotected British landing ships near Fitzroy settlement on 08 June 1982, the Fuerza Aérea Argentina launched another wave at the British forces in the area. Two flights of A-4 Skyhawk reached the islands. The first one achieved little after reaching the now well defended zone. The second group was able to sink a landing craft to the south of Fitzroy but then, they were spotted by two Sea Harriers flown by Flt Lt David Morgan and Lt David Smith.
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- Jeffrey Ethell - Air War South Atlantic
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Most assets in this reenactment are not 100 percent historically accurate. AV-8B Harriers are used here to stand-in for Sea Harriers, A-4E 'humped' Skyhawks are used instead of A-4B and C with ho hump. There are other details which you might notice too and actual combat was taking place at even lower altitudes but AI in DCS World can't be made to fly that low. All these things are not mistakes but simply platform limitations and there's no need to comment on them. Damage model of the A-4 Skyhawk mod also prevented a more detailed description such as the ejection of tenente Arraras. English names for the Islands and geographical locations were used since this is the language of the video and this content is not focused on politics. Thank you for your understanding.
Thanks for the technical information, we all aware of the limitations you have and the AV-8B and A-4s type you have to deal with, however what it matters is the historical event. THANKS for your EXCELLENT WORK.
skyhawks guns were notorious for not working , ive heard it was that bad some airforces never bothered to train with them some even had them removed , if anything you expect them to fire 1 or 2 rounds then fail to work , id say this was probably what happened here too
@@imbetterthanyouis There are reports of guns jamming in this conflict so that appears accurate.
@@pablopeter3564 I feel better when I put these disclaimers 😁
My main complaint with DCS World is that when we fire a Sidewinder at an enemy plane, the target instantly pops flares to decoy our missile away.
I very much doubt that happens in real life unless enemy pilots have got eyes in the back of their heads to see our missile launch..:)
As a UK former military serviceman i have the upmost respect for the argentinian pilots who fought in the airwar over the falklands their skill and daring in low level attacks defies belief and should be remembered in the annuls of war and despite being on opposite sides i have nothing but admiration for their bravery in a difficult and desperate struggle which should never have happened
I really appreciate this elaborate and objective feedback!
I have more respect for ours, they were forcing a cruel Argentinine dictatorship from those islands.
Charlatan is the clue.
A 14000 km de inglaterra las islas no son tuyas@@5ch4rn
Teniente Sánchez did an interview in Spanish about this engagement. He was in a four plane formation approaching the area. The lead pilot spotted the landing craft to the right of their formation. He ordered the squad to turn right to attack the landing craft. Teniente Sánchez being on the right of the formation was forced to climb to avoid a collision and had to break formation as he ended up behind and to the left now of the turning formation. The others began their attack as you mentioned. This is when lieutenant Morgan came from above and positioned himself to attack with the two sidewinders. Meanwhile teniente Sánchez ended up just to the left and slightly behind lieutenant Morgan. He did not have any guns as they had already failed in earlier combat so all he could do was try to warn his colleagues as they were being attacked.
In an interview with lieutenant Morgan he described this same engagement and how after firing both missiles he tried to shoot the third aircraft without gunsite, At that moment he decided to check his six and spotted teniente Sánchez to his left and behind and thought he was about to attack him, so he quickly climbed vertically to get away. This is when teniente Sánchez made a run for home.
However, he found that his drop tanks didn't have enough fuel to get him home. By coincidence one of the other survivors of the previous wave of Argentine flight didn't have navigation equipment to get back to base and had lost formation with his squad. He was lucky to be able to find teniente Sánchez as they exit the battle zone, who did have the navigation equipment. Both planes heading home were well short of fuel to get back to base.. They were informing Argentine HQ that they would try to get as close as possible before having to ditch in the Atlantic sea. Unbeknownst to both Argentine pilots the Hercules air tanker heard their situation on the radio and decided to fly closer towards the Falklands / Malvinas to meet them, risking being spotted by the British. He was able to refuel both aircraft all the way home. With the other Argentine plane having leaking tanks that meant he had to stay connected to the tanker all the way home.
It is amazing to hear such professional airmen from all sides to risk the possibility of ditching because you run out of fuel. My hat goes out to both sides for their bravery.. Respect.
Thank you very much for contributing additional information! Quite interesting details.
The Argentine air force up up a very brave fight throughout the war and suffered heavy losses. Very brave men that I have a lot of admiration for who were let down and sacrificed by their political leaders. A sad loss that should not have had to take place. I'm British and remember the war well. Very brave men, a class act.
@@ganndeber1621 I don't think anyone ever had any criticism of the bravery and professionalism of the Argentinian Airforce... The poorly trained and led conscripts of the army, however... The stories I've heard are pretty awful.
Sanchez also did not have an inertial navigation system. That is why he says that the KC-130 pilot told him coordinates and Sanchez insulted him in desperation and told him that he had no inertial navigation system. These communications were heard by other pilots who were also returning to base. Most of the Argentine fighters only had a compass. He also tells that he returned from that mission very stressed by seeing his three comrades die and not being able to help them. The KC-130 saved his life as well as many other pilots who knew that an ejection from a Skyhawk was more likely to die and if they were lucky enough to survive and fall into the sea was also to die from hypothermia after 20 to 30 minutes in an anti-exposure suit.
Yeah the polar opposite of the airforce. It would have been very difficult for the UK had the Argentine Army had the professionalism of the airforce. I have great deal of sympathy for the untrained conscripts who were basically left to face the Paras, Marines, Guards and Gurhkas unsupported. Let down by their vile governemnt and left to die@@edwardcullen1739
The British forces had the utmost respect for the Argentine pilots. " we knew they were very good, polo players and racing car drivers most of them"
I'd have about as much respect for them as I do russian pilots in their current war with Ukraine, which is absolutely none. I respect warriors of conscience, who fight for the oppressed and downtrodden, not those in service to aggressive rogue states. I smiled when I heard none of them ejected successfully.
@@sdghtjsdcgs As a member of a Armed Force you don't get to pick your fight , no that's some politician back home . There is nothing wrong with respecting your enemy . They are only doing what you are doing .
had the bombs been dropped with proper low level fuses the story may have been different
And designed and trained by the luftwaffe..
🤣😂 Fucking Che’s are hilarious.
The fact that the harriers made it back with 300 lbs of gas is insane. RIP the Argentine pilots, being that low and surviving a missile hit is close to none. Your content has always reminded me of the old military reenactments on TV. Without all the cheesy graphics and sound effects of course, which is why I love your work. Great video Showtime112.
They basically came back on fumes. You are probably talking about History Channel's Dogfights which was a direct inspiration for the videos I make. But I try to expand the topics to things they never covered.
Being harriers they also had the option of landing at the British bridge head
@@penfold9540 Theoretically, Harriers could land on any flat piece of land. But taking off again was a challenge. There was a forward airstrip at Port San Carlos but it was at that moment damaged and closed because of a GR.3 crash landing there.
Yeah, those old ‘History’ channel re-enactments and early 3D animations. I could have forgiven the poor 3D quality, but the histrionics (see what I did there?) and the poor history used to annoy me as a kid. Of course, I grew up and getting details wrong on a TV show no longer grinds my gears (I grew up, obvs) but it’s sad that so many leaned their history from a channel that often had a tentative relationship with facts. :D.
@@showtime112I missed this comment before I made my own. But anyway - I think of your videos as the History Channel, only with proper history. And better graphics, but I can’t blame them for that!
Don’t forget those on the LC: LCU F4 was one of four landing craft assigned to HMS Fearless with 4 Assault Squadron Royal Marines, designed to land commandos and their kit ashore… which they did from the moment the campaign to re-take the Falklands began with the landings at San Carlos on May 21.
But the large landing craft also saved many lives. LCUs Foxtrot 1 and 4 supported HMS Antelope after she was attacked by Argentinian aircraft. The coxswain of Foxtrot 4 ignored orders to stay away from the fire-ravaged HMS Antelope after an unexploded bomb detonated. The rescue of many crewmen from HMS Antelope by the craft, under difficult conditions, earned Foxtrot 4’s coxswain Colour Sergeant Brian Johnston RM the Queen’s Gallantry Medal.
He never lived to collect it. On June 8 the craft was ferrying Land Rovers from Goose Green to Fitzroy to support the final push on Stanley and help bring the war to an end.
Moving slowly in open waters, she proved easy prey for Argentine aircraft. A 500lb bomb dropped by a Skyhawk destroyed the wheelhouse and stern section of the boat, killing six crew.
Despite efforts to take the stricken boat in tow, she was eventually cut adrift. The following morning Foxtrot 4 was nowhere to be seen. The wreck remains unlocated to this day.
Thank you very much for providing detailed info on the landing craft!
Thanks for this.. we operated A-4 Skyhawks with our RNZAF and I have read the book by Flt Lt David Morgan called Hostile Skies.. A friend of mine was Tactical Radar Operator on HMS Invincible during the Falklands War he didn't know if he was going to live or die.. scary stuff! ✈️🇳🇿
Thank you for commenting and sharing your experience!
The poor guys in that landing craft probably thought the A4's were pretty effective. Another great retelling of lesser known engagements. Well done 112!
Thanks for the feedback!
Was the LC sunk? Casualties?
@@fredericksaxton3991 It says they lost 51 men and the loss of LC Sir Galahad.
@@donparker1823 Hiya, I was referring to the small landing craft that was attacked by the 2 Skyhawks, the first one missed his bombs, but the second one did get a hit. I just wondered whether it was a serious hit, ie, sunk with casualties?
@@fredericksaxton3991 6 out of 8 crewmen on the LC were killed by the bomb. they tried to tow the LC to shore, but it failed and they had to cut the rope and let it sink.
I like your accounts without all the BS background music, and drama. A clean picture of facts is so nice.
Thank you for the feedback!
I love your presentation style man, you’ve quickly become a must watch for me whenever a video of yours appears on my feed! You explain and illustrate these historical events so well anyone can understand them. Keep up the great work mate, you’ll be at 100K subs in no time I promise you that! God speed !
Thank you very much, this is high praise! I hope you'll like the content that's coming in the future too!
Hey @Showtme112, thanks for another of your videos. Love the research you do into these air actions with the beautiful simulated attacks.
Cheers!
Thank you for this positive feedback and for being subbed for so long!
Another excellent video. I watched these battles on TV when I was a teenage. The scars in Argentinian society are still visible and I hope it never happen again. Brave argentinian pilots.
I remember them too from my pre-teen years. I can see from comments under these videos that many people in Argentina still didn't get over the whole situation.
@@showtime112 lamentablemente va a volver haber guerra de nuevo probablemente más adelante de aquí a unos 50 años ahora argentina está desarmada y diplomáticamente el reino unido está cada vez más solo en seguir legitimizando tal ocupación pero tampoco se van a ir por las buenas hay muchos intereses ahi. Yo era chico cuando mi hermano fue llamado para ir de nuevo a Malvinas año 1988 operación fire Focus por parte del reino unido y operación grifo por parte de argentina
Brave pilots, in the service of a murderous regime that tortured and killed thousands of its own people for nothing. The defeat of Galtieri relieved Argentina from an evil government and did their people a massive favour.
@@showtime112 never... UK thinks that it was an idea of a goverment... but we claim for Malvinas since they were invaded by UK on Jan 3th 1833... from the kinder we know that the islads belong to us... Is like Gibraltar, India, and all around the world where UK spreaded war... And after the war on 1982, we considered more stronger our position
@@ClimateScepticSceptic-ub2rg that regime fought against socialistic terrorism... what you say is an idea implanted by the socialism, feeded by UK also, that thanks to the end of the war, the regime felt off. May be yes, may be not... there already were plans to return to democracy...
Sanchez and Morgan became friends years after the war. Great video.
Yes, this is a pretty interesting story. Not the only such story from this war. I guess it helped that neither side committed any atrocities.
@@showtime112 The invasion of the Falklands was an atrocity by itself. Thousands kids died on both sides.
Disclaimer: I'm neither Argentinian nor British.
@@TheLokiGT yes like most wars a massive waste of life for very little purpose. I'm British so probably biased but I think the whole thing around the Falklands has been used by successive Argentinian governments to distract their populations from their governments failings (Peron actually admitted as such when he first raised the issue again in the 1950s). I do believe it was right to respond to the invasion militarily and Thatcher responded appropritely once the invasion occured but it could easily have been deterred had Thatcher not been so keen on cutting the armed forces and responded appropriately (as the UK did in 1977).
The 20mm Colts of the A4 jammed after some high G manouvers. Was a recurrent problem for us (the argentinians)
Yes, gun reliability was certainly a big issue.
I met "pipi" Sánchez, he's a great man, looking after argentina in every situation. A national hero
Thanks for sharing!
This is an excellent channel. Showtime does a lot of work in history research for these videos.
Thanks! Such feedback is very motivating.
One of my in-laws was on the landing craft that was sunk. He didn't know till fairly recently that attacking jets were downed.
Thank you for sharing! Do you know, or perhaps you could ask him how many people who were on the craft survived? I couldn't find that info, sources just mention six people killed.
From what our media says, some Skyhawks didnt even had working ejection seats or they were expired, or leased from other planes, and most of em needed serious work to even be considered air worthy when the war started. Not sure how much is true, but we do have a history of not fixing stuff untill is way too late
There are reports in some serious historical sources confirming that Argentine aircraft haven't been maintained nearly as well as they should have been. Thanks for the comment!
there is no lack of respect in the UK for the Argentine Air Warriors. Its a shame so many paid the ultimate price for their bravery.
Same for british equipment too, no disrespect intended to the Argeninian airforce but had the navy had decent point defence systems fitted (goalkeeper or phalanx) or had rapier worked as intended then the argentinian airforce would have had most of their aircraft shot down....
Awesome ,saturday just got so much better
Glad to hear it, thanks!
For the last argentine pilot of the A-4 Skyhawk, alive, the return must be hard. When he came back to his base, he realised that he was alone and that all his wingmen were dead, it's was a personal drama. On the contrary, for the british pilots with their Harrier, it was the most glorious mission of their life. This is war.
Yes, it is very likely that Sanchez suffered from survivor's guilt.
Salut Jeanne. Bientôt la rentrée ? Showtime a bien fait les choses, il a mis en ligne les photos des pilotes que je lui ait envoyé ainsi que certains renseignements du combat. Il m'en remercie d'ailleurs à la fin de la vidéo. Malheureusement coupable d'être seul survivant est arrivé à bien d'autres.
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Rentrée : Lundi, c'est parti.
C'est super que tu puisses intervenir dans ses vidéos.
C'était bien comme vidéo, mais là c'est la dégelée, ils n'ont pas vu les deux Harrier qui patrouillaient au dessus.
Heureusement que l'un a eu une panne de collimateur et encore cela n'a pas arrangé les choses.
Pour celui qui est rentré seul, ce la a dû être un choc, tu pars tu es quatre , tu reviens seul. C'est le cauchemar du survivant qui commence.
@@jeannezehner9450 En effet si le HUD avait été éclairé, c'était 4 skyhawk au tapis. Le seul qui s'est éjecté était hors enveloppe éjection, sûrement trop bas et trop incliné.
Quand à nous , un petit saut en Alsace du plane spotting à Basel Mulhouse euroairport au Belvédère ( un must pour paparazzi fous d'avions). Mis quelques vidéos en ligne avec portable neuf dont maîtrise pas encore. Faire mieux cette semaine
@@dominiqueroudier9401
Cela devait être super à Mulhouse.
Heureusement que le HUD ne s'est pas éclairé, sinon c'était carton plein.
Thanks for the video Showtime . . .
Thank you for watching and commenting!
I admire your hard work, dedication and accurate researching as well. You have a brilliant and captivating narrating style... So distinctively you... Keep up the awesome work!
That's a wonderful feedback, I appreciate it! More content coming soon!
I was 10 and I remember very few things about the "Falklands War" (La guerre des Malouines, in French). I remember principally the Harrier and Mirage III. I was surprised to learn Argentinians had French planes.
I'm always amazed by the courage of Argentinians pilots, making low altitude attacks with their small A-4 on the British warships.
Very good reconstruction, as usual, which pays tribute to the Argentinian pilots.
These Mirages were not Mirage IIIs, actually they were bought in Israel : the were known as Kfir C-2, developped from the Mirage 5, built in Israel and powered by a U.S. made engine. The U.S. Navy used to borrow some of them back in the 80s, they were used as aggressors for training at Top Gun.
I think pretty much everybody had French planes 😁 Getting in low and fast, getting out faster, that was the tactics. It is a risky one as demonstrated in this case.
@@julosx Oh, I didn't know these are Kfir.
@@julosxplease stop saying we had kfirs...😅
@@jerrymailthey are not, we had mirages IIIEa and daggers
Fascinating. This conflict was unfolding when I was in high school, but of course we didn't have this level of detail and insight. Thanks!
Thank you for watching and commenting! In every conflict, it takes years until details of this level emerge.
Great video as always. Fuel seems to have been a problem for both sides, between the Harriers being designed as quick response jets and forced to do long patrols to compensate the amount of aircraft in the air, and the Mirage's famously bad flight time over the AO of only 7 minutes which meant attacks like the one in the video couldn't hope for any kind of air cover against British CAPs.
None of the Argentine planes had any RWR or flares to speak of, let alone MAWS, so crossing paths with a Harrier carrying a 9L was a death sentence. However the Skyhawks definitely had it the worst, since apart from all of this they were much slower they were always laden with bombs, so running away was impossible. If you add on top of that the cannon feeding issues which were very common and having no AAMs to fight back with, the Skyhawk pilots had a very unenviable position even within the Argentine air force.
Now you know why Russian and American jets are so large in comparison
@@matthewcaughey8898- The A4 was American.
Thanks for the comment! The fuel was indeed possibly the biggest factor with Argentine aircraft operating from the mainland and the British carrier group staying away because of the Exocet threat.
Outstanding work!
Thanks! I was quite happy with this one (despite the editing process being harder than usual with some software update trouble)
Great video once again, I know almost nothing about these conflicts and your presentation is very welcome and entertaining.
Cheers! 👍🏻👏🏻💪🏻🍻🍻🙋🏼♂️
Thanks! It was pretty much different than any other modern conflict which makes it quite interesting.
great account, R.I.P skyhawk warriors. thanks showtime.
Thanks, I'm glad you appreciate it!
Great account and excellent graphics too!
Thank you for your positive feedback!
That was really good. I hadn't known about this engagement. Subscribed.
I'm glad to hear it, thank you!
Qué máquina eres . Excelente video. Apasionante.
Gracias
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Excellent Video great historical lesson here.
Thanks again!
I was at The Falkland Islands. On my way when this was happening, but fortunately for me and the Squadron of Royal Engineers I went with, the combat was over and the Argentinian land forces were beaten and had surrendered. Rapier was being placed at all the best tactical spots giving any Argentine air attack very little chance of any success. My task was post war rebuilding of the Falkland Islands. It wasn’t a happy deployment as I remember it. We stayed 6 months!! With very little contact with home or families. No laptops, or mobile phones etc in those days. It was good to wave goodbye to the Falklands, and in my case leave the military and go find something else to do with my life. I was always aware of the bravery of the Argentine Air Force. Even though, they were no less brave than our own RAF pilots, or the men on land or aboard the ships. It was an incident and a time, I shall never forget.
Thank you very much for sharing your personal experience!
I've just had to zoom in on your profile mugshot there, James. You are the absolute double of a chap I know who was with 3 Para at the time. The only difference I could see to say confidently that it's just one of those doppelganger moments is that he's missing half of one of his front teeth.
@@bigal3055 Hi big Al? I assume he was a handsome fella? Ha ha! I’m afraid it wasn’t me, I’m an old Sapper through n’ through! Living in Wales. We have our own Para Sqn. though. 9 ind Para Sqn RE. Ever hear of them ? they were a great bunch of boys, I had some friends in that Squadron. Take care pal.
James, do you remember a SSM (Engineers) Dave Brown? - doing airport reconstruction, etc.
@@scottbrown7849 so sorry, but I don’t remember a Dave Brown. I don’t even remember my own SSM, other than he was a good man. I was with 7 Fld Sqn, we lived at Lookout Camp. Busy from the moment we arrived till the day we left. I was 7 Sqn’s Plant man! A plant Cpl, running the Plant Section. I like to think that we served our Sqn well, and that 7 Sqn had a successful tour. I hope that you are keeping well?
Outstanding reenactment, thank you!
Thank you for the feedback!
Great video 👏🏻👏🏻
I'm glad to hear it, thanks!
Excellent one! And really liked the Sea Harrier skin for the Av8, never seen that one before as is not available on User Files I think, can you please tell where you downloaded it?
Thanks! To be honest, I downloaded this skin quite a while ago and I can't remember from which post exactly. It's some generic Sea Harrier skin from the period.
Another great video about a conflict I remember very well. I recall watching the nightly news and reading about it in the daily paper and was impressed how the Royal Navy and Marines sailed to the South Atlantic to expel the Argentinians. Quite a feat !
Thanks for the feedback! When you analyze the entire operation, it could have easily gone the other way for the British side.
@@showtime112 That is true. Logistics had to be a major issue, from needing additional air to air missiles to the loss of troop transport helicopters, there were problems that could have spelled disaster.
Thankfully, the physical excellence of the British Marines and Parachute Regiment enabled them to walk to the fight at Goose Green and win the fight, despite losing their helicopter transports.
@@Pete-tq6in That is the reason the troops train so hard! It certainly paid off there.
@@offshorequest , yea they yomped over 60 miles, carrying over 100Lbs of kit, across rough boggy terrain, and then attacked high ground while high calibre Argentine machine guns fired down on them!. Oh yea, and by the time that they came to fight, most of the guys had trench foot......
Parabéns por mais um EXCELENTE vídeo! Sou do Brasil e conheço muito bem a Guerra das Malvinas/Falklands e você sempre retrata com bastante precisão os fatos envolvidos naquela guerra de 1982. Parabéns e continue assim. Obrigado pelo vídeo. Fabricio Penitente do Brasil.
Congratulations on another EXCELLENT video! I'm from Brazil and I know the Falklands/Falklands War very well and you always portray very accurately the facts involved in that 1982 war. Congratulations and keep it up. Thanks for the video. Fabricio Penitent from Brazil.
Thank you vey much! This is a vary unique conflict and it deserves to be known. My regards to Brazil!
Nice video 👍
Thanks a lot!
On board the L/C, sat in the Landrover, was an AAC soldier whom I served with, his memory was of him talking with a RM crew member, then finding himself bobbing in the water, blinded and confused. He was rescued and made a full physical recovery. For years after, he would find tiny slivers of aluminium in his tears.
Pobre Sánchez, difícil regreso. Así se peleó, excelente video. La lancha era la Foxtrot 4?
It must have been hard for him. Thanks for the comment! Yes, the landing craft was the Foxtrot Four.
Great reenactment. I know that Sidewinder 9L was state of the art technology at that time and Argentine pilots didnt have a missile warning radar. Was there any form to escape from one of them?
Thanks a lot! Well, once a missile was launched, the chances of hitting were really high. They didn't carry any countermeasures as far as I can find. The only thing was to try to maneuver as hard as possible but that didn't necessarily help.
Flares.
No launch warnings for an IR missile, despite what u see in hollywood movies.
The " sidewinder " is Still being made, October, 2023. Many versions exist in many nations air forces. My understanding that currently, very long range versions are being tested... I heard, over a hundred miles range.
@@raywhitehead730 A hundred miles? Highly unlikely. That would need a rocket motor more than five times as efficient as the current ones, or a missile well over five times the size!
Excellent video. Its good to have all these stories been told to re.ember the skies heroes
Thanks a lot! I agree that the stories need to be told and presented in various forms for the people to learn about them.
13:15 i am glad you add my name at end of vidéo.
Hope help you again for future vidéos. Now was Basel Mulhouse Euroairport BSL...for plane spotting and visit relatives 🙋
I'm sure you will! Enjoy your stay.
Great post.
I'm happy to hear it, thank you!
Brilliant story showtime112. Can you do the history of f6f hellcat action over southern France during Operation Dragon 1944.
Thanks! I have to say that I haven't specifically studied that aspect of WWII but if I find some good sources, it could probably be done in WT.
I know of a British pilot who fought in the Falklands and attends a trauma group at his local church in the north of England to help him cope with his combat experience, into his older years, and despite the conflict’s outcome. War is a leveller.
Killing is not a part of human nature (although some might claim otherwise). No matter how well trained you are, it is hard to deal with it.
your nice voice will make me come back to your channel again and again.
Thanks, I'm glad to hear it!
WELCOME SIR.PEACE AND SALAM FROM ME AS A MUSLIM@@showtime112
great story and graphics , i was in the royal navy until 1981 so took great interest in the battle , i didnt know this much detail , what a great aircraft the sea harrior was
Thank you for the feedback! There are plenty of interesting details about this conflict and as for the Sea Harrier, I think it exceeded any expectations.
This video is awesome!
What happened to the landing craft?
Thanks a lot! The craft sank, six people who were onboard were killed.
A great book for those interested in the Air war over the Falklands the book by Cmdr Nigel "Sharkey" Ward called Sea Harrier over the Falklands is a great read... another great video and well done just a note though any missiles fired at the Skyhawks would not have exploded as the Rapier would only explode on contact so the explosions would have been from triple A... for me I would love it if we could get the Sea Harriers both the FRS-1 and the F/A2 variants...
Pilots reported explosions nearby but yes, they could have been AAA shots. It looks like Sea Harrier isn't coming anytime soon. I was listening to an interview with Razbam people and they said that they started working on it but radar details are still classified so they gave up and instead, they might develop GR3.
@@showtime112 The radar details aren't classified - Blue Fox was basically a modified Seaspray helo radar. They've been told several times how to get access to the weapons manual which covers the radar and the rest of the offensive systems, there's one available for public view at the BAE Systems Heritage Centre. The flight manual and all the maintenance manuals are already easily findable as pdf's
The only conclusion I can come to is that Razbam either don't understand plain English or they are just making excuses.
The much later Sea Harrier FA2 had a radar called Blue Vixen which could guide AMRAAM, that's the one which it's impossible to get information on. It was considered so sensitive that when the FA2 went out of service every last document covering it and it's development were hunted down and shredded, while the radars were smashed to pieces with sledgehammers and buried.
@@showtime112'Sharkey' Ward's book tells about the radar on the Sea Harrier, how it was capable of several things that officially were not possible, meaning the tactics used were less effective than they might have been.
This has become an argument between official sources and the pilots who flew and understood the Sea Harrier.
This may be why the Sea Harriers, the Fleet Air Arm and eventually all other Harriers were retired prematurely, and the radar's details are still secret, over forty years later, when it has long been superceded.
Read it.
@@stevetheduck1425that’s a wild claim. When British Harriers were retired, the Sea Harrier had long been fitted with new radars.
I was on active duty in the marines when the Harrier came into service. An outstanding aircraft!
EXCELLENT - EXCELLENT - EXCELLENT. THANKS. Your are keeping alive this aviation historical event and paying tribute to the pilots who fought there regardless of their nationality. Thanks also por the reference.
Thank you Pablo! I try to present the individual pilot stories as much as possible.
Mention is made of British AAA in the video. But the only ground - based British AAA in the Falkands War were the 7.62mm machine guns and rifles. Some of the ships had a couple of 20mm Oerlikons or 40mm Bofors but these were not used at Fitzroy.
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British had the crap Rapier AA missile system. Covered up how useless they were - to protect future sales.
This is not quite correct. At Fitzroy, elements from 2 para & 5 bde HQ had acquired a clutch of .30cal & 50cal weapons from the Argentine Army. These were set up at various points and organised into firing cones based on where the air attacks were likely to arrive from. I operated one of the .30cal brownings near the waters edge on the northern side of the settlement. To this extent they were effective as the tracer had some deterrent effect. There were also some GPMGs & LMGs set up on the same basis. During the attack, it seemed that the A4s were trying to take out the large sheep shed at Fitzroy as it was 5 bde HQ and was obvious because of the large number of radio masts. The sad loss of Foxtrot 4 enroute impacted us all, it contained my Landrover & kit having been loaded on at Goose Green. The marine who commanded the craft told me to jump onto a waiting Wessex to get to Fitzroy as soldiers were always sea sick. He was a very brave individual who had already been decorated at San Carlos and who gave his life that day, probably having saved mine as a young 19 year old Gunner. I will never forget him.
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God bless the soldiers on both sides.
Another fab video
Thank you very much!
I read long ago that the Argentine pilots were not enthusiastic supporters of the government, and their desire for a pointless conflict with Britain. But that all changed when the Belgrano was torpedoed with large loss of life. After that, they were out for vengeance.
Could be. I read several interviews with some of them and none seems to question his involvement.
Anybody who seeks revenge had better dig two graves.
What you read is actually accurate. Those pilots knew what that war was about and what they were expecting to fight. Same happened with the Argentinian conscripts which were sent to be massacred by Gurkhas.
It was the devil's daughter who gave the order to comit those hundreds of young men to a watery grave. I'm British but despised the woman. I still find it hard to believe that our monarch payed homage at her funeral.
How many causalities on the landing craft which was bombed?
6 men were killed on the landing craft, but several others survived. Fortunately, the landing craft wasn’t carrying many men at the time.
There were six fatalities as a viewer already replied. I can add that there is a testimony of Lance Corporal Mark Price who survived the attack. He remembers flying through the air from the bomb blast and his next memory is from one week after that.
Brilliant, Bang on.
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Really well reenacted battle in DCS. Good job.
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Regrettably, by the time of these attacks the Harrier air cover was reduced because the ex submariner Admiral in charge had moved the carriers further away from the Falklands, creating the gaps in cover that allowed the successful sorties by the Argentine pilots.
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Desmond Latham has a great Podcast on this "little war". Good graphics helped ..thanks
Excellent presentation as always from Showtime 112! Peve Sanchez according to "La a Guerra desde Aire" documentary a Kc-130 tanker came close to the Falklands to help him get back to Argentina. An incredible feat by both sides to fight a conflict with limited resources and capabilities. ♠️🎩🎯🎱🇺🇲🏁🇺🇦🔱🌻🌼🏵️💮🌸🏴☠️🏹
It looks like pilots of both sides were rescued from crashing into the ocean by approaching closer to them. It is true that both sides had limited capabilities in many aspects. Which makes it a very interesting conflict indeed.
In an age where everyone's going on about stealth vs manouevrability it's amazing to see how much more reliability and fuel consumption matter in real world situations
It's true, some of those 'mundane' factors are often decisive.
Gran Trabajo, gracias
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23 Argentian airplanes downed, 0 Harriers downed.
I like how two comparable aircraft met each other in combat and both aircrafts guns weren’t working right.
The takeaway I get from this is that no matter the politics, pilots, and training: Government issue equipment sucks.
Yes, you could say that purchased military equipment often doesn't work properly 😁
Excellent post. I was there. The rapier systems quivered and shook like manic wheelie bins, unable to lock on, Sidewinders and the immense skills of the British pilots swung the balance of power in the air immensely. Utmost respect for the Argentinian pilots ... brave, courageous and skilled ... but out matched. Britain's last roar of defiance.
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Thank you, a well told story. Bravery on both sides.
Buen trabajo!!
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Interesting video, but most remember the air-naval war not because of this, but because of the result. UK called this bomb alley.
I believe 'Bomb Alley' refers mostly to aerial attacks in San Carlos Water and Falkland Sound in late May.
Great Brief!..the video graphics are Awesome.. BRAVO ZULU!!💯%👍
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Great video! I would not have liked to fly those A-4s with unreliable guns, no RWR and no sidewinders to proctect themselves. The courage of those Argentine pilots.... 07
Thanks! Well, their idea was to swoop in quickly, hit some targets and get away. It often worked but when it didn't , it really didn't.
Play the poor underdog as usual, also side winders dont fire backwards do they..
I remember watching the footage of the war whilst I was serving aboard HMAS Vampire, while a sailor in the RAN. Was a very sobering time.
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Hello I love your work and I am a big fan of your channel.
I like your videos about the Falklands War and am so happy you have done a video about a dogfight.
I would like to see a video about the 21st of May dogfight of Mike Blisset and Neil Thomas or Rod Fredricksen. Try doing a video of lesser know dogfights to remember all the heroes who fought bravley during the conflict.
If this could be done I would enjoy it in immensely.
Keep up the good work.
Thank you very much for the positive feedback! There will definitely be more videos about this conflict. I can't tell you which battles exactly in which order, it depends on my inspiration :)
You fly all the way to the battle zone which has lots of high value targets and you go after a landing craft ??
That part is not very clear. It seems like the Argentine pilots were unable to attack anything in the Bluff Cove/Fitzroy zone because of strong defenses. But perhaps they could have attacked the two landing ships. They must have been easy to spot.
Option 1)
You bomb a frigate, probably don't sink it unless it has already been hit several times, and even if it sinks the Falklands are still returned to British control.
Option 2) You bomb a landing craft full of British troops, and it doesn't matter how many frigates they have offshore; with substantial casualties in ground forces they may not be able to recapture Stanley, and the Falklands remain under Argentine control.
The value of a target is based on its role and threat potential, and seldom has anything to do with just its size, cost, or perceived status.
Yeah. The LC is holding all of the stuff that the Brits needed to retake the islands….. The warships were already there, but cannot do anything to dislodge the Argentinians. You shoot at the warships while they are on their way. But the LC’s once they are there.
Hi Showtime112,i found a replacement for BAE Hawk for 2013 Lahad Datu standoff, you can use F/A-18 Hornet since it's also involved in bombing mission
Do you have any good sources on this incident?
@@showtime112 unfortunately,I could not find more of this mission other than news report and Wikipedia page only
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I found this reenactment video
Great one
I hate when on TV, its cut up and the end credits are shrunken and sped up. You will never see Thurston.
The A-4 was an outstanding ground/sea attack aircraft. Small, relatively cheap to manufacture, and could carry an excellent weapons load for it's size. A "modernized" platform could very well find a niche and perform quite well today.
Yes and it's incredible how quickly it was designed without any computers. Pure talent.
The videos are spectacular, the quality of the images is brilliant...there is only one error...the A4 planes that Argentina used did not have the hump like the more modern versions, the A4F and A4M, which had electronic equipment... .
The Argentine planes were the oldest...
I download these videos because they are to save but it is a shame that they have that error...
A question...the story is in what language...?...I will try to translate it to understand it...
Dave Morgan was a hell of a pilot. And, I'm just going to say this, while these videos are perhaps rightly full of praise for the FAA pilots, what about the SHAR pilots like Ward, Smith and Morgan who could have ended up tangling with BVR capable Mirage IIIs.
Well, I'd say this video is made primarily from the perspective of David Morgan who achieved two aerial victories. It is a kind of a praise, isn't it?
The Mirage BVR capability however was quite limited. R.530 was only effective against larger and non-maneuvering targets flying on the same altitude or higher.
"Air War South Atlantic", by aviation historian Jeffery Ethell addressed that exactly. One of the first aerial encounters after the British arrival was between Sea Harriers and Mirage IIIs.
The delta winged Mirage was designed for high speed at high altitude and was no match for a Harrier in a turning dogfight at lower levels. It also lacked suitable missile armament. The R530 was designed to hit bombers flying straight, not fighters that were maneuvering. The AIM-9B Sidewinder used by Argentina had only tail-chase capability, not all-aspect.
The Mirage pilots knew all this, and stayed up over 30k feet, maneuvering to try to tempt the Harriers to come up to them. The British pilots didn't take the bait, and maneuvered to try to get the Mirages to come down lower.
Eventually one of the Mirages fired a Sidewinder which was at far too great a range, and approaching from head on had no chance of getting a lock, and it passed well clear of the Harriers and fell into the sea.
That was the only encounter between the two types, because after that the Mirage IIIs were withdrawn towards the capital, since the Black Buck missions had caught the Argentinians off guard and they weren't sure that Vulcans wouldn't start targeting the mainland.
@@mikearmstrong8483 Good post, thanks. it always tickles me to recall that Argentina actually pursued the idea of buying ex-British Vulcans in the 70s.
Excellent.
Thanks a lot!
Amazing animation.
Thank you very much!
Great use of DCS for this reenactment
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The shockwave from the missile launch caused the Harrier to roll right? Can someone explain that to me?
In his memoirs, Morgan says this: 'As it left the rails the rocket efflux and supersonic shock wave over the left wing rolled my charging Sea Harrier rapidly to the right, throwing me onto my right wing tip at less than 100 feet above the sea.' I think he gives more explanation in a podcast episode (10 Percent True) but I can't remember the exact science behind it.
Not only the blast of the rocket motor disrupting air flow over the wing, but also the sudden release of a few hundred pounds of weight from one wing, now unbalancing the plane. The Harrier is very small. The mass of a single Sidewinder makes a lot of difference in weight distribution.
I always felt empathy towards the Argentinian pilots who showed great bravery and were true gentleman in a fight.
Great story!
Glad you think so, thanks!
please make more about Falkland war and show the brave Argentinian Pilots❤
I do intend to cover this conflict some more.
I suppose that by the hideous calculus of war, 3 ground attack planes for one Land Rover is a good deal for the British.
Needless war but a commendable example of very brave pilots. War is very messy and it messes up the people that fight them.
Interesting comments about the BlueFox radar and HUD. Worth reading Sharkey Ward's book (Sea Harrier Over the Falklands) for his view on them from 801 Squadron, and comparing it to 800 Squadron's attitude, in Rowland White's book, Harrier 809 (which is a misleading title, as far as combat in the Falklands is concerned, as it is much more about 800 than 801 or 809).
Thanks for the upload......those pilots had guts that"s for sure......
Their story should be told.....they deserve it......
Thank you for the feedback! I agree.
nice animation - tick
I know their Argentine A4 Skyhawks - but those are still sweet-looking planes. top 10 in my book.
The Scooter is one of the all-time greatest attack aircraft.
The Rapier failed miserably on the Falklands, with their operators even kicking them to try & make the shit work.
It was suicidal to fight the Harriers without being equipped with proper air-to-air missiles, though subsonic, the Harrier had a few nasty tricks up its sleeve with its 4 thrust vectoring nozzles which can be used to force the pursuers to overshoot, not sure with what boldness the Argentinians launched the second wave of attack at their intended targets, it was too risky, not worth it, after the first wave, their element of surprise was taken away, also the Argentinians should have used airborne radar (if available) to detect the presence of the Harriers before launching the attack. The Brits would have definitely seen it coming.
Argentina didn't have an airborne radar but they had a pretty good ground radar at Port Stanley. Very often, they would warn their pilots about incoming Harriers. I'm not sure why the Skyhawk pilots were apparently unaware of the two Harriers which should have been easily detected at their height by the Argentine ground radar.
@@showtime112 Wow, were the Harriers flying at 10,000 feet always in a circular pattern or were there times when they flew at lower altitudes?. I am wondering whether the area's topographical features would have meant that the Harriers could not be detected whenever they flew at lower altitudes. I guess that this is where airborne radar shows its strengths compared to traditional ground-based radars.
@@veritasardens6547 Sometimes, they would fly lower. David Morgan says that he and Smith didn't want to go lower to avoid potentially frightening the troops on the ground which might have confused them with Argentine aircraft, due to the tense situation.
When you enter in to a conflict their is no compromise, you throw the punches , and you take the hits , it is a balance of who is prepared to take the most hits in order to throw the punches , ....having harriers helps
Wasnt this incident on a Smithsonian documentwry on harrier i remember it was on youtube