The Last Dogfight of the Falklands War
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After the initial clashes on 01 May 1982, Argentina didn't launch specific fighter missions with the aim of confronting British Sea Harriers. But there was one more clash in which Argentine pilots attempted to fight the Royal Navy airplanes. It was on 21 May 1982 after British amphibious group landed at San Carlos Water and Argentine Air Force and Navy launched their fighter-bombers against British ships.
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Brits dont make indigenous aircraft missles ??
Mirage 3 days of glory long gone 😢
@@Eric-kn4yn They had some, such as Red Top for example. But they were obsolete by early 80s.
@Eric-kn4yn they had the sky flash, which was basically a UK made sparrow for the tornado ADV. Today they make the asraam and meteor.
Hi mate, am I right in thinking that our harriers were armed with just 2 air to air missiles ( sidewinders)? If that's correct why only 2? Surely the harrier could have been equipped with more, 4 or 6 maybe? Thanks 👍
I was a gunner on HMS Intrepid during the war. The Argentine pilots were brave but very cavalier. They used to wave at us as they passed the ship. If we missed them the Harriers were waiting whilst the Argentinians had to pull up to miss the mountains. A lot of Argentinian planes were shot down. We used to cheer when one was hit.
Thank you for sharing your personal experience!
How come a country 1000s miles aways claim an Island just 100s miles from a country? British were and always ll be thieves
Nuestros pilotos son muy buenos muy superiores,ustedes ganaron la batalla gracias al tío Sam que los ayudó con los misiles aire aire , nuestros pilotos pelearon con lo que tenían a su disposición que por sierto no era mucho solo su gran capacidad humana que siempre tendremos,pero en la cuarta batalla que tendremo tarde o temprano que es inevitable,con tecnología la historia sera distinta ,saludos des tierra del Fuego capital de Malvinas Argentina 🇦🇷
@@GuillermoDuarte-sv5qy the Argentinian pilots were very predictable and easy to shoot down. They came at the same time each day and flew the same pathways. There didn’t try anything new. Their inferior planes had no targeting radar and their bombs were fused incorrectly. There’s no doubt they were brave but no match for us. They lost gracefully which is the reason there will always be a British Falklands Islands.
Cómo rompen las pelotas con esta guerra pasada, Argentina haciendo las cosas mal como siempre.
In documentary interviews, the British and Argentine pilots expressed no animosity and much respect for each other. Professionals doing a job for their respective nations. Great video.
Thank you for the comment! This was one of the most 'civilized' wars in recent history, I'd say.
Them Harriers look mean as f*ck when they're missiled up.Might not be as fast as the others,but they are just as deadly,not forgetting the role that the Sidewinders played,but you still need a good aircraft(and pilot)to enable those missiles to reach their potential.
Must say, you did a great job with the Falllands conflict. I have thoroughly enjoyed watching this series of historic recreations.
Thank you for this very positive feedback!
I second that. Great coverage of a largely forgotten conflict (outside of Argentina and the UK)
I was bollocked by Sharky Ward at RAF Wittering in 1984, I was a JT just out of training and didn't know RN ranks, I failed to salute him and he pulled me up for it.
He sounds like a guy who would do such a thing 😁 Thank you for sharing!
Sharky Ward the killer without codes........Hercules C 130
@@fasfas8999Are you saying the Herc was not a fair target?
@@Oligodendrocyte139no one could be so stupid surely.
@@fasfas8999how many combat missions have you flown? 🤔🙄
Having an interest in the falklands campaign (also served there in the early 90s) I’ve really enjoyed this series. Thanks 👍😊
Thank you very much for the feedback! There will be more of these videos in the future, there's plenty left to cover.
Yes, I believe a helpful series, and I respect Showtime for gradually accepting that the Falklands is not the Malvinas in the internationally accepted terminology. Merry Christmas.
@@showtime112God willing: yes!
The Argentines did the best they could but without better missiles, those gun runs were all they had. A good video.
Thank you for the feedback!
THEY choose to start a war
If they didn't better gear , that's their fault
and the "Better" sidewinder is a myth
all the harrier's kills were from behind , none using the all-aspect ability
@@farmerned6 There was only two attempted Head On attacks using the AIM-9L in the war. Steve Thomas tried one on a Mirage III on the 1st May 1982. The Mirage had the sun behind him and the Sidewinder refused to lock on.
The other was on 25th May 1982 when Dave Morgan tried to engage a Pucara over Stanley Harbour by doing a steep dive from high altitude using the Sea Harrier's Nozzles fully forward as a brake in the hope that he could get a Lock on and missile off the rail before he entered the Roland Missile Engagement zone around the town (The missile fire unit being based on the edge of the town). He had just got a lock when his wingman saw two Roland SAM's fired at Morgan and he had to abort the attack and climb as fast as he could. He just managed to evade the missiles by a few hundred feet.
The AIM-9L did make a difference, its performance and reliability was better than the AIM-9G. It did allow the Sea Harriers to get successful rear aspect shots which would have failed had they been using an earlier model of the Sidewinder.
There's a series of videos on CZcams where Sharkey Ward discusses the difference in tactics adopted by flights from the two carriers.
According to Ward, Harriers from Invincible were given more leeway to do things their way. He wasn't happy with how orders were being given from HMS Hermes, the flagship.
Yes, he also talks about that in his book. He is definitely an interesting character.
Sharkey was the expert - 'Mr Sea Harrier' - the pilot who landed a Harrier at Pebble Mill studios into a small square within the complex!
He was also the only pilot in the Task Force who was fully qualified as a night fighter and knew the radar system. That's why he was selected to accompany the Vulcan Black Buck as fighter escort when they made the Port Stanley airfield bombing run. Everyone thought the Vulcan was the only aircraft in the sky that night. Sharkey was following and guarding the Vulcan on their six. The Vulcan was radio silent, Sharkey made a brief call to tell them he was there.
Sharkey was able to instruct the crews how to set the Blue Fox radar to get twice the range than 800 squadron aircraft.
@alastairward2774 Unfortunately Sharkey has a habit of Bullshiting and when he wrote his book he didn't research in any depth about stuff he didn't see and only heard about in a Bar. Most of the 800 Squadron kills during the Battle of Bomb Alley were done before the Argentinians got to San Carlos. In fact the most westerly Sea Harrier Kill of the 21st of May was done over the West Coast of West Falkland by Fred Fredrickson. Six of 800 Squadron's nine fixed wing kills between 21st May and 30th May were done over West Falkland on aircraft before they released their weapons. Two of their Sea Harriers were chasing some Skyhawks that had just bombed San Carlos when they ran into another wave of four Skyhawks inbound. They shot down two of them and the other two dumped their bombs and ran for home. The Sea Harriers were then short of fuel and had to go home. The third kill involved the Dagger shot down by Fredrickson, who was vectored onto the raid by HMS Brilliant that could see the Daggers descending to the west of West Falklands on one of her radars through a gap in the hills. Fredrickson and his wing man chased the other three Daggers across West Falkland at low level and quite bad terrain in low cloud and misty conditions, but had to break off due to low fuel. The other three kills on 24th May 82 were done over Pebble Island against 3 Daggers after being vectored on to the targets by HMS Coventry. The only intercept that Sharky saw by 800 Squadron was the Navy Skyhawks shot down by Clive Morell and John Leeming. They were still in high level transit to the CAP station when Sharkey made the call that there were inbound aircraft coming up the sound, so there was no way they could be at low level to make an intercept before Ardent was attacked!!!
The Biggest problem was that Woodward didn't listen to his Flag Air Staff, but to the Captain of HMS Hermes who was the senior Fleet Air Arm Officer down there. This Officer seemed to be fighting four wars at the same time with enemies in this priority. RAF / J J Black (Captain of HMS Invincible) / Admiral Woodward / Armed forces of Argentina. Dave Morgan mentions this in his book. The RAF Harriers should have been used in the original role that they were send down to do which was carry Sidewinders. Yes they did have major issues with the Navigation and weapons aiming systems as they were not designed to be aligned on a ship and the lashed up box of tricks designed by Ferranti to allow the inertial platform of the GR3's to be aligned on a ship didn't work, resulting in the GR3 pilots to use standby navigation instruments, maps, stopwatches and back up modes of weapon sighting. But they could have stuck a couple of GR3's armed with sidewinder over the beach head at high altitude during good weather periods and allowed them to go after anything they saw. This was exactly how RAF Hawks (and Hunters before that) were used in Airfield defence over the UK at the time. Unfortunaly that meant that the RAF would get to an Air to Air kill with one of their own aircraft and the Captain of HMS Hermes was never going to allow that to happen.
Yes Sharkey does go on about the Low CAP station 801 Squadron filled over West Falklands (round about where this incident happened) but it didn't scare the Argentinians off from using that route. The Dagger pilots who used if for the first time on 21st May 82 found the route to be extremely dicey in low cloud and bad weather, plus if you got shot down there was next to nowhere to get shelter or rescue. thus they all used the Northern route after that. They were not deterred by Sharkey putting a CAP there.
As for the Radar's a lot of the Sea Harriers were not fitted with production Radars. There were actually four different production standards of radar's fitted to the Sea Harrier fleet, ranging from Development models to a couple actually built for India!! Some of them worked better than others. Sharkey most likely got his hands on the best ones.
Black day for the Argentinians this, wasn't it. Another well made & narrated film, thx.
Thank you for the feedback!
They managed to hit the HMS Ardent!
Un par más de ecxocet y no contaban la historia
One of the pilots of this animation was Donadille he had been trained in Israel along with 8 other dagger pilots, where they received modern air to air training, unfortunately the high command decided to suspend missile missions. Before that donadille on May 1 went on an air-to-air mission to cover the torno squadron that made the first attack on British ships that were bombarding the island /glamorgan alacrity arrow/ On that occasion, after dropping their bombs, the daggers were chased by harriers but the intervention of Donadille and Senn armed with shafrirs made them flee... Sadly, as the air cover missions ended on 1 May, These daggers on may 21 did not have air protection and so they were easy prey
@chrisgs8727 The Sea Harriers didn't break off chasing Trono Flight because of Donadille's actions. They were running critically low on fuel and had to give up the chase and go home!!! Must have been a section from 801 Squadron, but the details of the aircraft and crew have never been in any books published.
A very fine series, detailing simply, and with simulated footage, what happened. You have done a great job and great service I think.
It's also nice to see in the comments from Brits there is no triumphalism, which mirrors how the British seem to have responded to the Argentine attacks, with admiration for their bravery. I wish this attitude was reciprocated from the Argentines, in which case the world would be a slightly better place.
Thank you for the comment, I'm happy to hear you appreciate the content. And what you say seems to be true, many people in Argentina simply didn't accept the facts. Perhaps that's why this country with a great potential never seems to be able to fulfill it.
@jimmyhillschin9987
Invasiones inglesas hacia territorio argentino: 1806-1807-1833-1845-1982- Y quien sabe que otras mas???
Invasiones argentinas hacia territorio ingles: ???
Ingleses con la realidad alterada: "¿Por que los argentinos no sienten admiración por nosotros? jummmmmmmmmmmmmm" 🤷♂🤷♂
Quizás, y solo quizás, si dejaran de invadir territorios ajenos por todo el planeta, solo quizás ahí la gente sentiría un poco de admiración por ustedes, ¿no le parece?
@@jimmyhillschin9987 ¿Usted llamaría amigo a alguien que agredió a su país desde su fundación? En el 33 ustedes llegaron tirando cañones. En el 82, cañones y bombas. Con una flota de mas de 100 buques, claramente en señal de todo menos de querer hablar en un "bar"... Todo por algo que "apenas existe" según tu lógica...
Ahora eso si es que es hablar sin sentido.
El argumento ingles: Ignoremos los hechos históricos, jurídicos y geográficos. El resto del mundo se equivoca y nosotros no. 😇
Yo también siento pena por ustedes y por como sienten esa necesidad de parecer victimas y no victimarios.
Los británicos son respetados en la Argentina.
@@carinajauregui9383 Gracias Carina. El respeto por el enemigo suele ser diferente al respeto por los hechos. A menudo son opuestos y necesariamente opuestos. Mucho cariño para ti y para todos los argentinos.
Very well done 👍
Just goes to show you how big the Arg air strikes were. Incredible that guns were used so much in a2a combat in the Falklands War.
Guns yes but no 🎯
Thanks! Actually, the air combat in this conflict was more similar to some earlier wars and time periods. Short range missiles and guns only, limited pulse radars with no lookdown capability and so on.
Yes, that’s what I meant. It’s surprising to me that they were running and gunning like air combat in the 60s and 70s. You would have thought things would have evolved significantly since the Vietnam War.
Looks like the Daggers needed Sidewiders!
They could carry Shafrir 2 missile which was decent, although rear aspect only. But rarely in the war they actually carried them on missions.
@@showtime112 I have seen a Dagger in Argentinian colours with the camouflage removed under the cockpit, exposing 13 kills, Arab kills from when was in IDF service. The plane is at the Israeli Air Museum, behind some barriers. 😎. An epic museum!
@@chriscarbaugh3936 If I ever go to Israel, that will be the first thing I visit 😁
...or Matra Magics!
As the priority was to sink the largest number of ships, they did not carry air-to-air missiles, only bombs, hence the small number of dogfights, the only dogfight of the war was Lieutenant Leonidas Ardiles who fired a Shafrir 2 missile before from being shot down. The Air Force did not have an air-to-air missile at the sidewinder level.
Sidewinder i izobrazba Britanskih pilota su imali ključni faktor u tim borbama
Točno, iako bih čak rekao da je obuka bila i bitnija.
Another great video. Seeing you've picked up a sponsor is the best part. Looks like the hard work is paying off. Congrats!
Thanks a lot! Not easy finding those but they keep the channel afloat.
Muchas gracias por el vídeo. Excelente trabajo.
Gracias de nuevo
I'm glad you appreciate the content!
Saturday has just gotten better
I appreciate this, thanks!
Lovely video! So intense. Really waiting for the next one. Would love to see something from the Korea or Vietnam wars era
Subscribe to his channel. He has a tone of videos on vietnam & korea.
@@erk396ss already am. I meant something apart those that I already have seen on the channel)))
Thanks! There will be videos from Korea and Vietnam. Phantom module will definitely be used for that purpose once it comes out!
Thanks for the great re-enactment of the last dogfight in the Falklands War. Sea Harriers made up for the lack of speed against Argentine aircraft with superior radar and air to air weapons. The last shot down in this war I believe was a C-130 by Sharkey Ward. If you could cover that, it would be great.
Thank you for the feedback! I will probably cover Sharkey's shootdown of the C-130 in the future.
Sharky Ward the killer without codes
@@fasfas8999 How many times are you going to spam the comments with that BS?
Spam ?????? i was a volunteer in Malvinas war , who are you INSECT @@RCAvhstape
And superior training and tactics.
Thank you for an excellent description of those historical engagements.
Thank you for watching and appreciating it!
Hello mate you will found in your email, some original pictures from 21st may, and a drawing of Thomas 009 ,ZA190seaharrier .
Well documented video. I add that all3 Dagger took off from St julian base fiited with 1900m runway at maximum takeoff weight 🤔
Thanks for the comment and the mail. I can testify that takeoff isn't easy as I tried it in DCS for that one scene and it took literally the entire runway :)
@@showtime112 all thèse words were written by Guillermo Donadille and transféréd in my book. Hé was anxious because Atar engines were at max power for takeoff, heavy pétrol consumption and takeoff abort impossible after V1 in case of engine stall. A genuine timing bomb💥
In a documentary I once saw there was a downed, injured Argentine pilot captured by the British and cared for on the hospital ship SS Uganda down there. He made a point of saying that at no time in British medical care there was he ever treated any different from the rest of the mainly British patients.
By most accounts, this was a very civilized war (as far as wars go).
He was Ricardo “Tom” Lucero. He dislocated his knee on ejecting
Another great presentation from Showtime112! Glad to see that you're covering the dogfights we don't hear about in the Falklands War. I knew about Sharkey Ward, but not all of his contributions to the conflict. Job well done! ♠️🎩🎯🎱🇺🇲🏁🇮🇱🇺🇦🔱🌻🏵️💮🌸🌺🏴☠️🏹
Thanks once again! I intend to reenact his encounter with the Pucaras. It was actually quite interesting and the Argentine pilot put up some resistance. There will probably be a video about the entire Pucara operation in the war.
@@showtime112 sounds good. Looking forward to that one.
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@@ratagris21 Thank you very much once again. Such support keeps the channel afloat.
You did it again. An excellent video full of knowledge. Thanks for sharing it
Thank you for this praise!
Very interesting video. Thankyou. Great series 👏
Thank you for the feedback!
It was really nice to watch it. Thank you very much
I'm happy to hear it, thank you!
Very interesting. Again! I do look forward to your work.
Thank you, I'm glad you appreciated the content! More to come soon.
Great video with some new effects! 👍🏻👏🏻💪🏻🍻🍻🙋🏼♂️
Thanks Pappa! It's more an evolution of old effects :) I find it a lot of fun improving and making the picture look more immersive.
More great information on the Falklands conflict !
Thank you very much for the feedback!
I enjoy your historic recreations, it's a great visual learning tool. Thank you sir, always a pleasure.😁🤝
I'm very happy to hear it, I hope you keep enjoying the content in the future too!
Cool... Another excellent video. Keep them coming!
Thank you! Another video coming up next weekend!
well done as always man
Thanks a lot!
Another fantastic and interesting video about this conflict. Rounds off the Falklands war series brilliantly
Some Battle of Britain videos would be awesome to see. One about the only Fighter Command pilot to win the Victoria Cross during the battle. Flight Lieutenant James Nicolson and how he was awarded it would be interesting to see.
Thanks! You are right, BoB hasn't yet been covered and it's long overdue. Especially because it's one of the first parts of WW2 that I learned about.
@@showtime112 Thank you for these recreations, it really helps understanding the tactical situation. It's so weird by our days' standards to see combat without advanced intelligence, airborne radar coverage or even ground control beyond "go and see what you can find in that sector". This would've been normal for WWII but this happened in 1980!
Speaking of WWII I'm actually _not_ interested in seeing a series on the BoB?
That has to be the most studied episode in the history of aerial warfare, and by far. For decades I've read the books, the comics, played the board games, the card games, the flip book games and of course the scenario on half a dozen simulators. I've visited the museum, bought the mug, worn the T-shirt, watched the documentaries, the movies and chuckled at the references in pop culture and I'm not even British.
There was a whole deal of fighting during the Battle of France that hardly ever gets any attention that I would much rather see illustrated?
@@Pouncer9000 Thanks for the feedback! I'd say that air combat over the Falklands was somewhere on late 50s to mid 60s level. No EAW, no BVR missiles, no significant EW, improvised counter-measures and so on. You are right about the Battle of France, that part of WW2 is quite obscure. Especially the French perspective. We have the planes they used in War Thunder so it can be done.
Exciting, thank you. 😍
Thank you very much for the positive comment!
Well done on the vid. Well put together and narrated.
Thank you for your feedback!
Great presentation thank you
Thank you for the feedback!
Great video. I fly flight sims and am learning about tactics. Your videos are so detailed. I've learned a lot from them. Thanks
Thank you for the feedback! Keep flying. And watching videos too 😁
British were extremely professional, skilled and lethal. Far away from home. It's amazing they had the logistics for a modern naval war.
They had the logistics but they didn't really have many assets to spare, even using a bunch of civilian vessels and sending them in the middle of a war zone. But it worked in the end.
Excelente vídeo!!!! Meus parabéns pelo belíssimo trabalho meu amigo 👏👏👏👏👏👍🇧🇷
Muito obrigado! I'm glad you liked it.
Thanks!
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Congratulations. You made a great job with the falklands conflict. I'm from Argentina.
A little suggest to you...Perhaps if it were possible to enable the subtitles in Spanish so that all the people of my country can see and, in some cases, discover what the Argentine pilots did during the conflict, we know about their dedication and bravery but not so many details are known.
Your videos are really very good, thank you very much!
Thank you for the positive feedback! As for the subtitles, I myself don't have the knowledge to translate to Spanish but automatic translation of subtitles isn't too bad. Perhaps one of the viewers can volunteer to edit them manually, they don't require too much work from my experience.
¿Sos de Argentina pelo tudo y nombrás las islas como lo hacen ellos? MALVINAS SE LLAMAN.
Great scholarship, great recreation of the battles.
Thanks a lot for the positive feedback!
Great history lesson Showtime112 keep up with the facts👍.
Thank you once again!
Thank you for another amazing video. It was a dogfight which faced cannons vs Sidewinders. The tide was clearly turned in favour of the RAF pilots.
I'm glad you liked the content, thank you!
Royal Navy Fleet Air Arm pilots, with a few RAF pilots as well, Flying Royal Navy Sea Harrier's, Flying off Royal Navy carriers....
Svaka čast na mini serijalu, mislim da niko nije ovako obradio vazdušne borbe u ovom sukobu . Čini se da su Argentinci platili danak lošem brifingu .... ne ulaziš u zaokrete za harijerima,pogotovo ne avion kao što je Miraž, šteta, mogli su da imaju bolji skor protiv Britanaca.
Da, u pravu si...ali to je posljedica embarga na opremu i oružje koji je Amerika uvela Argentini. Improvizirali su sa taktikama i onim šta su imali. Ovdje je PZO trebao igrati ključnu ulogu (naj pak vi ste to dokazali 99-te) ali nisu bili adekvatno opremljeni.
Hvala na komentaru! Bilo je tu dosta faktora koji su utjecali, možda čak najviše strateških. Nedostatak odluke da se pista na otoku produlji, nemogućnost treninga sa drugim nacijama (što su Britanci imali), američki embargo i loše stanje aviona.... popis je dugačak.
Si explotaban las bombas no quedaba ningun buque 8 hundidos 30 tocados con aviones del 60
Respect, We Remember You All Who Fought In This War.
Interesting. Engagements you don't often hear about.
Thanks! This was a unique war and it deserves some attention.
Great Video.
Thanks a lot!
Showtime 112 ,making wonderful kick a** aviation videos 4 U.
An amazing comment, thank you!
Cool vid mate
Thanks, I'm glad to hear it!
Good video. Shows how tactics are critical for Air combat.
Thanks! Absolutely true.
Great video 😊!
Thanks a lot, Chups!
Amazing video!
Thank you for the comment!
Great video, good that the Argentinian pilots were all able to eject and survive. Sidewinder was the winning edge for the RN flyers
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good info thank you
Thank you for watching and commenting!
VOLVEREMOS❤💪
NUESTRO PAIS DEBE PRIMERO SER DE LOS MEJORES DEL MUNDO, COMO HACE 100 AÑOS. LUEGO, PACIFICAMENTE QUE LOS MISMOS HABITANTES DE LAS MALVINAS PREFIERAN SER PARTE DE UN GRAN PAIS: ARGENTINA. FALTA MUCHO, MAÑANA (10/DIC/2023 ) EMPIEZA EL CAMINO. QUIZAS NO LO VEA EN MI VIDA, SI MIS HIJOS O NIETOS.
@@ignacioxxi no necesitamos el permiso de los kelpers, ellos tendrán que atenerse al resultado de los fallos arbitrales o simplemente irse
@@ignacioxxiAnd the band played, “Believe it if you like.”
Right - when the Argentine AirvForce starts using flying pigs 🙄
@@martindione386😂😂😂😂😂😂Ellis los que respetan los fallos arbitrales.
wikipedia atlantic conveyor ----------
The ships were used to carry supplies for the Royal Navy Task Force sent by the British government to retake the Falkland Islands from Argentine occupation. Sailing for Ascension Island on 25 April 1982, Atlantic Conveyor carried a cargo of six Wessex helicopters from 848 Naval Air Squadron and five RAF Chinook HC.1s from No. 18 Squadron RAF.
At Ascension, she picked up eight Fleet Air Arm Sea Harriers (809 Squadron) and six RAF Harrier GR.3 jump jets. One Chinook of B flight No. 18 Squadron RAF left Atlantic Conveyor to support operations on Ascension.
With the aircraft stored she then set sail for the South Atlantic. On arrival off the Falklands in mid-May, all of the Harriers were off-loaded to the carriers; the GR.3s going to HMS Hermes while the Sea Harriers were divided amongst the existing squadrons on Hermes and HMS Invincible.
With the additional aircraft on Hermes a Lynx HAS.2 helicopter was flown and parked on Atlantic Conveyor on 20 May 1982.
Great video! I love it!
You took my suggestion and made a video about the May 21st dogfights by Nigel Ward and Steve Thomas. I am very happy and I feel very much appreciated that you did so. Thank you.
Please finish the video about the May 1st dogfight between the Harrier and Canberra. I would very much like to see it.
Another point I wanted to address is please go more into detail about the Rod Frederiksen dogfight because here you have only skimmed the surface of the engagement. I would like to see a more step by step process of the encounter.
For example, make a video dedicated only to Fredriken’s dogfight start by making an opening sequence of him and his wingman taking off from their aircraft carrier and give more or less the same explanation you gave in this video and more shots and scenes of him shooting down the Dagger remembering to add suspenseful music and different angles to when the plane is destroyed.
Remember, your objective is to make the videos just like the Dogfights series from the History Channel. That is what you're doing: gaining experience and perfecting your knowledge and skills with each video you post.
Keep up the good work!
This was too good topic to ignore for much longer 😁 The Canberra story in this conflict will probably receive some attention but I need to dig a little more to find details as they seem a bit 'basic'. Some of the combat from 01 May which was just briefly mentioned here will be covered in more detail but I can't say exactly when. Thank you for your comments and suggestions and keep watching!
Nice video 😊!
Thanks a lot!
Nice video again.
Thank you for this feedback!
This shows that an aircraft inferior in performance can have the upper hand with a trained pilot and superior armament
Despite of the fact that the HARRIER is subsonic, it was able to shoot an incredible number of argentine aircraft with their clever strategy, in particulary the supersonic DAGGER.
The subsonic Super Etendard was the only aircraft that avoid a drama because it could fired its EXOCET missile far away from the english ships and it could refueled on the Atlantic ocean.
Tout à fait, et la BA pour le Dagger c'est pas bon , haute altitude bien différent mais pilotes manquent entraînement air air. Par contre les anciens utilisateurs du Dagger, eux!!!!
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Oui, je pense que l'entrainement des argentins n'était pas au top.
@@jeannezehner9450 je viens de visionner,: p.....n fait ch... ,( J osé pas parler gras🤐 skybull51 leur rend hommage aussi en vidéo
@@jeannezehner9450 mate la dernière vidéo de FRAproductions à Athènes 👍👍👍
Adivinen que más es supersonico como el Mirage, si señor, el misil AIM9🎉🎉🎉. Fue ese misil el que derribó esos aviones, no el Harrier🤷🏻. ¿En serio hablando de estrategia inteligente? ¿Derribando aviones desarmados, sin contramedidas y sin combustible? Woooow que inteligentes, una habilidad tremenda, apretar un botón. Napoleón y Rommel los saluda.
120 feet at this speed? Yea, those jet fighters have ball’s of titanium 💯
That must have be devastating back in Argentina. 9 empty seats around the table in the offices mess in one day. War is hell.
The mechanical staff waited for them until the last minute, they were their brothers...they would never return.
8 buques hundidos 30 tocados .eso si que es terrible
@@guillermocamacho3198 Always more where they came from. Meanwhile, it was the unprofessional Argentine conscript forces that were really sunk, as history was soon to prove.
@@theplayer2286 400 km de argentina estan las islas bajo plataforma maritima argentina en continente americano .a 14000 km de inglaterra .eterno pirata robabdo lo ajeno .mas bajas inglesas mas buques hundidos .fuera inglaterra de america .
It's not what you have, but how you use them.
Quite right
I don't really understand why initially the CAP areas were north and south of the landings.
So basically the first wave of argies got in scott free.
Surely there should have been dedicated air cover above the ships.....
Those were the expected routes of approach. Argentinians really did use those on 01 May for example. As for keeping air cover above the ships, that wouldn't work. You don't use interceptors and SAMs in the same place at the same time, there's too much risk of fratricide.
Its the eternal issue with defence. You’ve got to cover all the routes and disperse your force while an attacker can concentrate
I’m not knowledgable on the subject, but I assume the ship and ground force commanders didn’t want friendly aircraft operating in the hemisphere of their own anti-aircraft defences - a recipe for disaster I would imagine. Plus it gives the aggressor pilots one more thing to worry about. CAP cover on the way to target, ground/naval AAA over the target, CAP cover on egress from the target.
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Apologies, didn’t read your full reply - which covered the points raised - before I posted my own.
Have a nice Christmas 😊
10,000 foot High Missile Engagement Zone above the Area of Falkland Sound and San Carlos Waters where the Navy and Land Forces were operating was the reason. The only way Harriers could enter the zone was at very slow speed, undercarriage down and all lights on. The Navy and the Army didn't train their personnel to do Aircraft Recognition!!! It got in the way of the Officer's Gin's and Tonics and the Sargent's Tea and Toast. Anything that entered the area at low level and high speed got shot at by anybody that had a weapon.
Delta Daggers! I made plastic models as a kid. Amazing US and British weapons were killing each other.
Sometimes Western aircraft fight each other like in this war. Another example are Indo-Pakistani Wars.
Armatures against professionals. No contest.
The Argentinians were embargoed and could not source the necessary weaponry to effectively fight an air-to-air war... France also renaged on delivery of more Exorcet missiles for anti-shipping sorties. They also betrayed their former customer to reveal specifications on the Excorcet to the British. So not a fair contest at all.
I wouldn’t call the Argentinian pilots amateurs. They surely weren’t as well trained as their British counterparts but there were other important factors as well. I believe the Aim9L with its all aspect capabilities played a huge role.
They were all professionals but Argentine pilots couldn't practice with many other nations like the British and their number of flight hours was probably much lower.
@@JohnThreeSixteen918 Finally someone is telling the whole truth. Thank you
@@JohnThreeSixteen918 France or any other power in NATO would refuse to supply weapons to any country at war with a NATO power
Impressive video. Was this a real incident?
Yes. One of the British pilots involved in the battle actually passed away recently.
I’d be curious to see military college classes in these combat lessons. Questions and answers and debates.?
Hermes sqd always did High Cap, and then had poor radar, came late to intercept due to having to dive and then disengage in the SAM enveloped and only managed to shoot on egress with more kills but mission failure (since the argies got through).
Invincible sqd did Low cap, with good radar, intercepted them on Ingress, causing them to jettison and bug out.. less kills, but way more mission success
Excellent series of videos, informative and well presented
I'm happy to hear it, thank you!
RIP Sharky Ward
Many thanks for these videos, lots of work on these so again many thanks for that.
Does anyone know what happens to the ejected airmen? I’m presuming they were sent back to Argentina, but did they patrol again?
Thanks for the comment! I'm not a 100% sure but I think they didn't fly combat any more after that day.
They all got back to Argentina by C-130 before the war finished. No they didn't fly again during the war.
Will they add Dagger module ? Or is there one existing ? I would like to try it.
Not that I know of. Razbam is developing Mirage III but knowing them, it might take years before we can buy it.
Every video about air combat in the conflict seem to involve (1) Sharkey Ward and (2) Multiple Argentine aircraft shot down.
There are nine videos about aerial warfare in the 1982 war on this channel. Only two of them actually feature Sharkey Ward 😁
Cant believe how they lost on harriers with mirages ....
It's not that hard to believe. I analyzed that in the first part of 'Harriers vs Mirages' a while ago.
In more open air to air combat during NATO trials it was found the Harrier, if bounced, was quite vulnerable to supersonic aircraft like the Dagger or Mirage. It was never built as a stand off BVR or air supremacy fighter but as a multi role plane for operations from dispersed runways and roads and as a carrier fighter for killing enemy MPAs.
Thing is the need to fly low and avoid British SAMs as well as being at the edge of their fuel envelope gave every advantage to the agile Harriers on CAP patrol. Having great pilots and a cutting edge A-A missile further hurt the Argentinian chances and its why they gave up trying to just attack the Harriers head on.
@@maxkennedy8075 The Only Radar guided missile they had was the Matra 530 SARH missile on the Mirage III. It was a Bomber Killer, not a Dogfighting missile. The Magic 2 and Israeli missiles they had were stern shot missiles only. Mirage and Dagger only had one advantage over the Sea Harrier. They could run away and out run them.
A war that should never have been, but Thatcher wanted it, and our military did honour themselves. | remember speaking to one sailor from one of the ships that was bombed, and he said, Me and me mate went overboard, shouting, no more flatjacks tonight
I’ve never fully understood that if the islands were strategically important. Why wasn’t there a full time naval,ground and or air asset support deployed in the region by the UK?
They weren't "strategic" but they were British sovereign territory and the Knott defence review made a fatal decision in scrapping HMS Endurance which led Argentina to think we wouldn't fight. Fortunately Maggie proved them wrong and the oil discoveries are a real bonus!
Incompetence and a wish from the Foreign Office to abandon the islands.
@@johnallen7807 "British sovereign territory.." 🤔🤔 ?? Hm...
@@medokrusko Absolute British sovereign territory. No ifs, ands or buts.
@@mwrkhan Of course..."the kingdom where the sun never sets". I've heard that arrogance before 😉
AIM 9 Sidewinder AAMs are the best Dog fighting missiles in the world USAF n UK pilots know that. In Falklands n Gulf War they proved it. Now AIM 9 X Sidewinder is the latest version and even more accurate in shooting down 4.5 gen enemy aircraft.
RIP Sharkey Ward. 1943-2024.
I wonder how all this would have gone without the the availability of the "lima" all aspect sidewinder, anyone done any studies on this? great video showtime thank you.
Thank you for the feedback! It looks like all or almost all of the shootdowns were achieved from the rear hemisphere. While Lima certainly had an improved seeker, it is likely that older variants would have achieved most of the kills.
Due to the low ambient temperatures in the south Atlantic, any mark of sidewinder would have a higher kill rate than in more temporate regions.
@@terrystevens5261 Unfortunately, as well as lower Temperatures, there is a lot more water vapour and cloud about, which IR sensors really do not like. The Sea Harriers lack of speed was a real hinderance when fighting the Daggers. Steve Thomas fired a Sidewinder at a Mirage III that followed the aircraft into cloud on 1st May 1982. It is not known if the Sidewinder warhead went off or not. However, the Mirage III was short on fuel and its pilot elected to try and land at Stanley Airport. He was shot down and killed by the AAA defences in a Blue on Blue.
On 21st May, the first major Argentinian air force attack on the San Carlos area had 18 aircraft attacking over a period of 10 minutes. Only 2 were engaged, a Dagger was shot down by what was believed to be a Sea Wolf and a Sea Harrier took a very long range sidewinder shot at another Dagger that missed. Three ships were damaged, two quite seriously.
The Second major attack included this action. The first two (Skyhawks) aircraft across the sound were chased by a pair of Sea Harriers after bombing their target , the Sea Harrier's then ran into the next group of Argentinian Skyhawks and shot two of them down (the other 2 dumped their bombs and ran for home). Some of the rest of the wave made it though but missed their targets. A Type 22 Frigate was in just the right place to see formations of Argentinian aircraft descending off the coast of West Falkland and sent a pair of Sea Harriers to the west of the island. One of the Sea harriers shot down a Dagger over the west coast of West Falklands and the two chased the other 3 across the island until they ran low on fuel. The next two waves of Daggers got though and damaged a couple of ships, but the last of the wave ran into Ward and Thomas who shot them all down as described here. The Skyhawks took the Northern route via Pebble Island. The Daggers took the inland route south of Mount Caroline. I've actually seen the Wreck of C-403 and stood on one of its wings (plus found the gun sight and had it in my hands, but taking souvenirs off wrecks down there is illegal so I threw it in a pond). The Argentamin pilots that flew the middle route were so shit scared after doing it due to the nature of the hills and low cloud that they never used that route again during the war.
The third attack was by the Navy Skyhawks. They used in-flight refuelling and came up Falkland Sound from the south. The first three attacked and Sunk HMS Ardent and then were intercepted by a pair of Sea Harriers that killed two and damaged the other so badly that the pilot had to fly to Port Stanley and then eject. The second three attacked a ship and missed.
With the exception of the three Navy Skyhawks, all of the successful Sea Harrier intercepts were done before the enemy aircraft got to their targets. The Same was true on 1st May, 23rd May and 8th of June (though the Sea Harriers failed to stop the bombing of a Landing Craft).
Are you working in the animation when the harriers shoot at the a4q that attak and sunk the ardent This time sidewinders failed 2 times and harriers must use aden cannons.
One missile went rouge on Lt Morell's aircraft. Flt Lt Leeming set his missile arming switches wrong (He was a former Lightning Pilot who had been on a Harrier GR3 Squadron in Germany when the Argentineans had invaded the Islands and due to the shortage of RN pilots had been sent back to the UK and given a very short conversion course on the aircraft before going down with the Harriers on the Atlantic Conveyor). He made a couple of major errors during the war due to lack of knowledge about the Sea Harrier as a Weapon System.
Lieutenant in the british and commonwealth armed forces is pronounced leftenent, not lootenent
I am aware of that.
I believe the pronunciation is "lootenant" if they are naval officers, leftenant for army officers.
I may be wrong.
@@graememorris7820 no its pronounced left tennent
@graememorris7820 Correct, Royal Navy and Airforce is Lieutenant, Army, Leftenant.......pongos always have difficulty with spelling and pronunciation. But, piss taking aside, there is a very good historical reason for the British Army to use Leftenant, just can't remember what is it now @@graememorris7820
Hard 2 imagine air 2 air combat getting any more 1 sided than this
its also hard to imagine any navy today with wors sam protection ..
When you think the RN had spent the previous 35 years preparing 4 a war with the USSR and yet had wors air defence than in 1945 its mind boggling
The Royal Navy were not going to be fighting Fighter Bombers at Low level in Land Locked Waterways surrounded by Mountains!!! Their mission was to fight high altitude long range Soviet Bombers using long range stand off anti ship missiles and Subs in the open waters of the North Atlantic, supported by Land based Air and Sensor assets (line of Islands across the Atlantic that had ground based Radars (Greenland/Iceland/Faroes/Hebrides/Great Britain/Shetlands and Norway) plus Airfields with Fighters, AWACS and Tanker support. The SAM's worked quire well when the radars could track the targets in open water.
Sheffield was sunk due to failings of the Crew and two Officers being away from their posts at the time of the Attack.
Glascow was damaged due to a Failure of the Sea Dart launcher caused by a salt encrusted microswitch failing to operate and the lack of an override system to clear the fault. Plus the Sea Wolf Computer on the Type 22 with her crashed due to a software bug. Sea Wolf only works in Full Automatic Mode.
Antrim and Argonaut were both damaged because their systems were not designed to work in a confined waterway surrounded by mountains!!!
Ardent and Antelope were Cheap Ships designed to allow a large number to be built. That is one of the reasons that they were sunk. Type 31 Frigate concept is a really bad idea!!!
Atlantic Conveyor should not have been in the CVBG when she was. The Warships around her managed to counter the Exocet Attack, unfortunately she didn't have any countermeasures to avoid being hit.
Coventry was too close to land for her sensors and Sea Dart to work effectively. Also on the first attack against her, the Sea Wolf Computer on her escorting Type 22 Crashed. On the second wave of that attack, the Sea Wolf system was back up, but Coventry cut across the Type 22's firing arcs allow the Skyhawks to avoid being engaged by the Type 22.
The Last air launched Exocet attack was a failure. Exeter and Avenger both detected the attack and countered it. Had Exeter not had only 10 Sea Darts in her magazine, she would have shoot down all four Skyhawks that followed the Super Étendard attack.
By 23rd May 1982, San Carlos water was a Hornets Nest. Almost every Argentine aircraft that attacked the place that got back to Argentina had more holes in it that when they took off.
The losses on 8th June 1982 were mainly caused by the closure of the forward operating harrier field at San Carlos due to a Harrier GR3 crashing on the runway there. The Argentines noted the change in aircraft operations, plus they had target information and good weather to allow the attacks on the LSL's at Fitzroy, plus the position of HMS Plymouth.
For record the British fixed wing aircraft were a mix of RN Sea Harriers and RAF Harriers.
Yes, a number of GR.3 Harriers also came on Atlantic Conveyor. They were even supposed to fly CAPs along with Sea Harriers but as the losses were lower than anticipated, there was no need for it (or so it was estimated).
@@showtime112 RAF GR'3s flew just one intercept mission. They lost radio comms with the Carrier and failed to intercept the target which was most likely a 707. The Captain of Hermes then decided that they were no good as fighters and tasked them with a load of bullshit attacks on stuff that could have been left alone. He just didn't want an RAF aircraft to get an Air to Air Kill.
must be more interesting if you could add real video clips in between the animation...surely many real combat videos available of this quite recent war...tq
Harriers didn't have cameras, and not many Argentine fighters had either
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Some people seem to believe that there's plenty of real combat scenes recorded and available. Sadly, that just isn't so and it's one of the reasons I do what I do here.
tq sir...sorry for my mistake.@@showtime112
@@martindione386 Wrong!!! Both the Sea Harrier and Harrier GR3 had HUD cameras which recorded weapon aiming and firing. That type of imaging system was used is not known (Video or Wet film). On the GR 3's most likely the later, on the Sea Harriers most likely a video tape system. Tapes were most likely reused so they got wiped.
Los britanicos , pueden contarla como quieran , pero Argentina , les dio batalla y realizo mucho daño a la flota . No cualquier pais les hunde y averia muchos buques con aviones viejos en su mayoria , salvo los Super Etendard , que eran relativamernte nuevos . No se puede cuestionar , loa valientes pilotos argentinos , que dieron todo de si . Viva la Patria Carajo ..!!!
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Thanks a lot!
One has to wonder how the conflict would have resolved had Argentina possessed any "force multipliers", such as tankers AEW/AWACS assets and jet-capable forward bases on the islands.
Even a few field-deployable radars would have made headaches for British planners.
Argentina had aerial tankers. Only a couple of them but they were heavily used. As for 'what if', the same goes for the other side. The old Ark Royal could have been kept in service with her Phantoms and Buccaneers and it would have made a difference.
The Gannets would have made a huge difference too.@@showtime112
@karlbrundage7472 There were two Argentine Long Range radars on the Falklands, a 2D Cardion Alert Mk 2 (TPS-44) belonging to the Army and a 3D Westinghouse TPS-43F belonging to the Air Force. Both were a serious pain in the arse for the British. Both were located at Port Stanley, right on the edge of the town and therefore not able to be targeted by the British Naval guns or standard air attack with unguided weapons. The Radars allowed the Argentina supply and attack aircraft to evade interception and allowed them to work out where the British Carriers were. Atmospheric ducting (ANAPROP) of radar signals are very common in that part of the world and it was sometimes possible for the radars to see surface targets well over the Horizon. It was one of these ducting periods that allowed the Argentines to carry out the Exocet attack that sunk the Atlantic Conveyor. The other thig they could do was to track the point at which the harriers climbed to high level to give a rough guess where the Carriers were. The British were fully aware of this so Harriers flew at low level for some distance before climbing to altitude.
The British came up with three ways of trying to kill these things. First off, Fit a Vulcan with Anti Radiation Missiles, fly it down to the Falkland and shot the missiles at whatever is transmitting. The original plan was to use the Anti Radar version of the Martel. However it was then decided to get AGM-45 Shrikes off the USA as its smaller warhead and better reliability . The First Anti Radiation Mission was aborted due to Tanker Hose Drum Unit issues (the Vulcan needed less tanker support as the Bomb bay was fitted with extra fuel tanks). The second raid went down with two Shrikes tuned to the TSP-43F. The missile's warhead's proximity fuzed around 30 metres from the Radar Antenna and damaged the waveguide and cables from the Transmitter cabin to the Antenna Trailer. These were replaced in 24 hours. The second Vulcan attack carried 4 Shrikes, 2 for the TPS-43F and two for Skyguard AAA Radars. The TPS-43F shut down as soon as the the Vulcan turned up, but one of the Skyguards seems to have been transmitting into a dummy load and the Vulcan's equipment and the homing heads of the two missiles tuned to that frequency got a lock and the missiles homed on to the radar and blew it up, killing the crew. The Vulcan then headed to Ascension Island, broke its refuelling probe while trying to refuel and had to make an emergency landing in Brazil.
The second way was to fit Shrike to a Harrier GR Mk 3. An aircraft modified to do it got down to the Falklands before the war finished, but the war ended before it cold be used.
Third Way. The Royal Navy decided to just shell the radars with naval gun fire. On 11th of June they did so, they managed to damage to TPS-44 and knocked it off the air, but killed 3 Falkland Islanders doing so, as one of the shells hit a house in the town.
The TPS-43 was finally taken out by ground shock from Argentinian howitzers which were located in close proximity to the radar. The Operators removed some important parts from the radar which were sent back to Argentina on one of the last flights out of Port Stanley and then they did some sabotage to the radar that would cause serious damage if the British tried to switch it on.
The British captured both radars. The TPS-44 they managed to get working and it was used for a short time until the British could get their own equipment down there (A Sgt on my Squadron which I joined in 1985 got a Commendation in 1982 for getting the thing working) . The TPS-43 on the other hand, the British picked up that things were not right with it and both radars were shipped to the UK in early 1983. The British decided that the TPS-44 was no use due to it not having any height finding capability, but the TPS-43F would be a good addition to the RAF's somewhat dated Mobile radar force, which were updated WWII mobile radars. After getting support from Westinghouse, the Radar was repaired at RAF Henlow and deployed to 144 Signals Unit at RAF Wattisham in 1985. After being redesignated Radar Type 99, the radar was then transferred to Tactical Comms Wing at RAF Brize Norton in 1989. After being deployed to the Gulf in 1991, the Radar was transferred to 1 Air Control Centre at RAF Boulmer in 1995. It ended its operational life in Cyprus in the early 2000's and was then sold to Pakistan.
In 1993, the Type 99 was deployed to my unit for a couple of weeks and I've been in it while it was turning and burning.
Dear Showtime:
Where did you get those Harrier and Mirage mods from? 😍
Please post a link!
Hello! Harrier is an official mod. As for Mirage, it's one of many VSN mods and you can find them here: www.lockonforum.de/community/board/10-mods/
Gonzales was propably best aviator in that war..maybe even that time.
Falta un video de los 8 buques ingleses hundidos en la guerra de Malvinas👍🏻
Malvinas de Argentina! Volveremos
Doesn't seem likely
@@showtime112 Si sr.
The thumbnail looks a lot like a frame in the biggles BD about that war
Purely a coincidence :)
Hojala hubieramos tenido misiles tomahauk!!🇦🇷
Los argentinos no eran Kamikazes, eran patriotas, muy profesionales y con un gran coraje. Los británicos solo eran profesionales.
What a silly comment.
The Daggers had no air to air missiles?
They could carry Sharfrir 2 but they didn't carry them on their fighter-bomber missions.
Ok. Just a question: The Harrier in this vídeo not is FRS1, but explain Very well The dog fight in 1982!!
The Harrier uses here is AV-8B. DCS doesn't have Sea Harrier. War Thunder has it but it doesn't have the proper map of the Islands.
@@showtime112 ok . Thanks