Joe Rogan and the Ethics of Apology (Episode
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- In this episode of the podcast, Sam responds to the controversy over his friend Joe Rogan's use of the N-word and his subsequent public apology.
Released: February 07, 2022
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Quoting Sam from the video, "We are mired in a culture that appears totally unable to even identify much less solve real problems, because it has grown hysterical over imaginary ones." Definitely hit the nail on the head with that line.
When you reject reason imaginary problems are the only ones that you are able to identify
Wrong, conservatives are incapable of solving real problems because they're diametrically opposed to doing so, especially if it requires changing their way of living in even the slightest way.
You mean like russiagate?
@TheReddaredevil223 ... and you’ve completely missed the point. Don’t you realize you’re “cancelling” conservatives in your mind? Don’t you see the arrogance of being the arbiter of what problems are “real”? A little bit of charity goes a long way.
@@TheReddaredevil223 I think you'll be pleased at the level of conservative problem-solving in future decades.
"Forgiveness is a fucking miracle."
Best line from this
Pinned comment I predict!
I think he said it like this:
“Forgiveness is a fuck$&g miracle.”
I was waiting for Sam to use a swear word, waiting.. waiting.. "niggardly" actually gave me a shock lol.
Then it was here, in the perfect place. The guy is a freaking phenomenal writer/thinker.
Based.
“Morally unprepared to solve real problems.”
100 fucking percent.
I hope to live long enough to witness cancel culture become the new racism.
@@kg356 we aint got a problem saying the n word, you're the ones that have a problem putting out a whole circus show with complaints about it.
What's about his black stepdaughter, how does she feel?
If his podcasts are taken down, how can we judge for ourselves the man’s character?
Watched Rogan for years, he’s no racist in any way💪🇬🇧
funnily enough, the paradox of trying to takedown his content will make people want to tune in more.
Why the 🇬🇧 lol? has nothing to do with anything right?
Ive never met any of these people you say are everywhere.. are you sure youre not just terminally online and locked in an echo chamber..?
I'm afaid that flag rather betrays your true intentions. I see you....
@@TheNBWarPig it has more to do with it than you would think, sadly
"You hate to think that you have to censor your language, to meet people's lack of understanding." I feel the spectre of Hitch with this quote. I wish he were here to be disgusted by this degradation of language.
He would be dismissed as being "out of touch" and encouraged to disappear into obscurity.
@@xdwbx “My own opinion is enough for me, and I claim the right to have it defended against any consensus, any majority, anywhere, any place, any time.”
― Christopher Hitchens
Can you imagine him drinking Rogan under the table 😂🤣😂
Free merch > free speech.
Investors > Intelligence.
AI.
Artificial Inflation.
Artificial Inflation creates pay-walled-region-locked-time-gated content.
We are being priced out of life because of Artificial Inflation.
Sam will be forever influenced by the late and great Hitchens, as I believe most of us are as well.
Once again, Sam, you have succeeded in removing emotion from an emotionally charged issue and address it in a logical, yet compassionate way. Sam, you are truly a gift to humankind. Thank you for what you do. The importance of you clear analysis of the issues that we face in society is immeasurable.
Rogan for President!
@@kg356 I disagree. I think the reason, he avoids using the term is because his podcast will become all about, " Sam Harris said the N word while defending Joe Rogan for saying it", and for majority of the people who don't have the time, patience or willingness to listen to the whole podcast, they will just assume that the podcast is about that and that alone, and it will defeat the very point of reaching as many people as possible in a meaningful way.
He thinks it was OK to cover up Hunter Bidens laptop story even if he'd corpses of children in his basement, Sam's gone nuts.
Very well said Sam. Your the first person that I’ve heard to get it exactly correct. Many other Rogan defenders have said that he used the n-word in jokes because he’s a comedian. You very accurately said that he used it in the context of quoting someone else and not in any sort of derogatory or racist way. I’m 100% with Joe and I really appreciate you putting this out!
Being Korean of course you speak the language. When I was in the states I was using my common language talking on the phone. A word I use is naega, meaning I am. I had people starting asking me what did I just say in a very hostile way. I was perplexed and confused by their response being so aggressive and apoplectic. They insinuated that I used the "N" word. I calmly explain that naega (내가) means I am, and showed them on Google. I understand people would be upset by this word. I can understand the lack of understanding in a foreign language. What I don't understand is this witch hunt, and burning people at the proverbial stake. My experience with America is that they need to talk with each other and listen to one another. Not be fed nonsense on the television. "United" States, right?
That really sucks man, if you have the stomach for it you could turn it around on them quite easily, if they're the very sensitive types...but safety first :) I've read the same thing happening with Chinese speakers in the US, as words like 那个(na/nei ge) are commonly used in Mandarin and sound similar too.
There was actually a professor in the US who was suspended because he used the Chinese phrase "na ga" in class. We've reached peak levels of absurdity around this issue.
They were listening to your conversation with your phone, they already were doing something wrong, unless you were being unnnecessarily loud. You did nothing, they did something morally wrong. I hope they ask for forgiveness from you after the clarification, as they should.
"United" States, right?
---Well, not at the moment. If it doesn't return soon, it may be seen as an historical concept and non-existent in current society.
니까 also sounds a lot like the n-word
This is the most bromantic thing I’ve ever heard. Brought a tear to my eye.
Thanks sam, thanks joe. You guys are real
Amen brother 🙏🏼
I agree totally. I actually really appreciated even Whitney Cummings (who I find a bad comedian and annoying) coming in to defend him. I said years ago the illiberals will come for Joe. And theyll find out he cant be cancelled. And its not just because of how big his platform is. Its because he's built up goodwill with so many people from so many walks of life, from scientists to comedians to Bernie fvxking Sanders. In a weird way its a good thing. People have to realize that you cant just kick and scream to a higher authority when you dont like something. Thats a horrible way for society to conduct itself.
Nay, bro. They aren't real. They are just figments of the imagination of Alex Jones.
@@YourLocalCopiumDealer And so is your mom.
Great testimony for Joe not being a racist, but of all people, Sam is not one who can vouch for Joe because of his own history of not ever, rather hardly ever, interviewing Black public intellectuals - save for ideologues of a very singular ilk. Shame on Sam; he has no credibility in this domain. (Despite his trying to latch onto Joe's bona fides.)
Remarkable opinion, Sam. I felt the sincerity of your message to Joe. You’re the kind of friend I wish to have.
Absolute master of articulating things. Bravo, listening to you has made me a better communicator of my thoughts and has revealed to me that it takes an effort to do it properly but that that effort produces some of the most profound and meaningful conversations in my life. Thank you Sam!!!
I want a t-shirt thar says: “Forgivenesses is a fucking miracle!”
-Sam Harris
Upvote, but would prefer it without the f-word. I thought that weakened the statement rather than enhancing it.
I think it's perfect the way it is...let's do it!!
@@RichardSShepherd I agree with you. The f-word leads to a lot of misunderstandings, misses nuances, and often leads to all-or-nothing thinking, so it's hard to do. I prefer "compassion for the things/people we hate". It does not downplay our hatred as unnecessary or "bad", but at the same it it makes room for compassion, even in the hardest of times.
@@RichardSShepherd I couldn't disagree more :) Firstly, I absolutely LOVE the word "fuck" in all its permutations; it truly IS a magical word with spiritual properties, unlike other words ;) Secondly; when it comes from San Harris its a beautiful thing; Sam almost never swears, but when he does its just...
@@WigganNuG don't you mean you couldn't agree more?
Never apologize when you've done nothing wrong.
True, but I can't blame Rogan. He's under a ton of pressure.
@bobby macallister what exactly did Rogan spread that is so dangerous? For all I know, he brought experts to his show to talk about what they have the credentials for. I haven't seen ANYONE pointing to what exactly is the misinformation Rogan is supposedly spouting.
@bobby macallister 😂😂😂 unlike other trusted experts eg fauci and saying you didn't need masks.
@@abstractnonsense3253 he chose this
Your Bro Oprah did wrong though. I know you like to think he is perfect in every way, but he isn’t.
Peter McCulloch and Robert Malone are far from alone and have the support of literally 1000s of medical and scientific experts. Their voices are critical to the debate and should not be criticised for speaking but debated fairly and honestly.
Joe Rogan exists in a post-truth world . He , like Tucker Carlson and Alex Jones , traffics in conspiracy lies . Oh, not exactly " lying " all the time but "lying by omission " or by posing questions that hint at mysteries that don't exist . Hosts can simply let the guests do the lying while they pitch the approving softball questions . The baseless statements come like fastballs . When there is money to be made, the Mike Lindells, Mike Flynns and Joe Rogans will appear everywhere .
Then, Rogan censors any posted comments critical of his CZcams videos .
@@BeefT-Sq Thats a completely bogus take. Alex Jones has been right far more often than he's been wrong, but people, like you presumably, only look at delivery and not content.
I actually think Sam was also wrong in condemning Mccullough or Malone. They have been proven mostly correct as well. This entire "pandemic" has been an exercise in control and the "vaccines" have been less than even marginally effective. It is what it is...
you mean support from hacks that have pivoted to the anti-vax grift.
@@adamredden2007 someone has been buying Alex Jones' snake oil infused Brainforce tablets.
@@BeefT-Sq
This is only the 2nd or 3rd time in my life I have ever bothered to leave a comment on anything. However, I feel strongly compelled to do so in this case. Sam, only a few times in my life have I ever heard a more genuine, factual, dead-on, accurate, commentary on any subject. You do an excellent job. You are a fair, well-spoken, and incredibly articulate person. I feel relieved that people like you exist and can be so influential. You are the voice of the rational people in this world. Clearly, I'm a loyal fan. I've not agreed with absolutely everything you say, but I fully understand and can always assign merit to your arguments. Nicely done.
Sam is the embodiment of pure rationality. I absolutely love it.
I have to piggy back on this as I never leave comments and feel compelled to do so as well. After listening to Sam’s accounting of these recent events, and then reading your comment Oscar, I believe your sentiments mirror mine quite precisely. Thus I need not say much more. Sam, thank you for your always calm, poignant delivery of what I perceive to be precise accuracy on this matter. Wishing Joe Rogan strength and fortitude as he journeys forward! Wishing this for all podcasters doing such important work, and allowing discussion to unfold, uncensored and with curiosity! Namaste!
So him telling Bret Weinstein #17 of ask me anything
“there is no compelling reason to worry about safety of these vaccines and no legitimate reason to ask questions in public. This just asking questions routine in public is spreading fear and spoking fear in people who have no rational choice and no ability to think these things through. Your not crazy to think these things but sharing with the public is in bad faith.”
Hmm 🤔 guess he doesnt think much of you. (Those are his words)
Get used to it. He's right about everything.
@@christophervasiliades323 you are spot on my wise friend.
Just listened to it on the podcast app. Finally some sanity being spoken. I need to take some time off of social media, feel like I’m starting to lose my mind
Go outside. Chances are the birds are chirping, and your neighbors are good people.
Same my friend. It's terrible anymore. 😞
@@ChollieDI live 40 minutes away from the rainiest city in europe at the tail end of a long and dark winter. The average amount of sunlight per MONTH is 32 hours…. it’s incredibly windy and chirping birds are nowhere to be found. Just gotta get through it and it will eventually subside, if I could just summon the energy to open up the waking up app again and restart my practice
@@ChollieD and if I were to try and talk to my neighbors they’d think I was psychotic, Norway’s not a very social place
@N A ya if your beliefs are just straight up ima nazi..
You have such a gift for choosing the simple words that carry so much wisdom. Thank you Sam. Sincerely said and I sincerely appreciate you!!
Obviously, because he is a narcissist and has inherent demand for validation. He would do anything to keep 99.99$ paying minions mesmerized by his oversimplyifying and esoteric bullshit.
P.S: I have never seen an actual academic saying that he got influenced by ideas of sam harris. All he has mustered to influence in his whole life is few far-right political commentators, which also was possible less because of his ideas and more because of 9/11.
Most of his followers are minions like you, who are just mini-narcissists who have innate desire to believe that they understand everything, and keep on repeating same talking points verbatim, which sam harris feeds them through his ass
Really? It seems to me that Harris often talks for minutes on end without really saying anything of functional value whatsoever.
@@saimbhat6243 aww, the irony of feeling the need to write an essay to someone you describe as a minion and mini narcissist. How very entertaining, thank you ❤.
@@saimbhat6243 That's interesting, because I've heard on multiple occasions people like Jordan Peterson and Richard Dawkins attribute something they're saying to Sam. It's almost like you don't like him, and that's the only reason you think that... Imagine that.
The phrase; “For any reason in any context”, is just nonsense”.
For Joe to make that comment, shows me how disingenuous he is and for Sam to hone in on that, is not surprising to me.
There is something Sam doesn’t surprisingly seem to understand!
As an African-American, if I’m listening to someone read a book for example, that has the N-word in it, I would expect them to read the word. We’re not stupid, CONTEXT matters! And if Joe doesn’t realize that, he is more stupid than I thought.
I think, that he’s just another grifter. Sincere apology? Ha!
Ta-Nehisi Coates explains it best here;
czcams.com/video/QO15S3WC9pg/video.html
Thank you Dr. Harris for organizing these complex situations so elegantly for us.
Hi Pecos, did you find Sam Harris because he was recently on the Jordan Peterson podcast?
Ayyyy Pecos is here. Epic.
I wrote my first joke a few days ago.
A Chimp, orangutang and Joe Rogan was in a theatre, Rogan, being in the position to ask, asked, 'why is the earth round'?
The monkey said 'it's something to do with gravity!'
The orangutang said, 'there is not enough matter, it's something to do with dark matter!' Rogan said 'I think you are both right but I don't think it is so black and white!'
Then said he googled and saw Tarzan was forever, and by the power of deduction thought there must be something before the big bang,
upon which he asked, 'what about those Buddhists?'
I love Sam, but nobody calls him Dr Harris.. that's just weird
@@ChrisOBC1 That's where I heard him referred to as Dr Harris - On his recent Jordan Peterson interview, that's why my reply to Pecos Hank said that.
Beautifully said. The farce of obliged outrage has to be halted.
Thank you for your words and the content you produce - it helps a great many get through some complicated issues and be able to express an idea well.
"If Joe Rogan is your version of a racist, you have reached a moral and political dead end." Sam hits on it here: these people HAVE reached a moral and political dead end. That's why they're doing this. They're terrified that a guy who isn't "one of them" gets more listeners than they ever will, that they're no longer solely capable of forming/dictating public opinion, and now they will do absolutely anything to end him.
Elk dmt go brrrt lmao
I would be surprised if even half of his critics had even watched one of his podcasts.
How do you square this with Rogan's "planet of the apes" comment? That sounds like something a reasonable person would call racist.
A note on this, I checked the context of this comment about as well as I can. Rogan described walking into a movie theater that was filled with mostly black people and he called them "apes". I'm the context of the comment, just after making the comment, he acknowledged it as being racist supposedly because the movie wasn't set in Africa. In his "apology" on the matter, he made a chain that he was just recalling a movie he enjoyed. Neither post-comment seemed to make any sense to me. He still likened black people to apes which is a deeply racist trope.
Another but of context: I like a lot of what Sam Harris says and does including in this video. I commend him for supporting a friend. I may agree with him about the validity of the "n-weird" montage taken out of context. (I say "I may agree" because I don't personally know all of the contexts. I'm prepared to give benefit of the doubt in those.) But this comment that if you think Joe Rogan is racist you have a flawed definition of racism, that really seems like gas-lighting in light of the "planet of the apes" comment.
So happy to have Sams clarity out there on this. Thanks Sam
Yeah. I definitely heard confusion creeping in though.
Said a lot of nothing in my opinion. The public health argument is a joke.
I watched the Joe Rogan videos and the PLANET OF THE APES comment clearly shows he royally screwed up and sounded very RACIST. 🙄
^^ okay .... and?
@@pdcdesign9632 go cry about it
Thank you Sam!! This should be a sobering "Call to Reason" for everyone. Things have just gotten WAY too out of hand. This is not a world that anyone looks forward to anymore. Everyday is dreadful in our current predicament, and we need to fix this if we are going to move forward with any sort of hope for the future. This quote is so pure that it could literally be treated as a societal commandment: "Forgiveness is a fucking miracle, and we want a culture that makes us better at both seeking it and bestowing it. Not one that views every apology as a source of shame, and as an invitation for further scorn. There really is a ray of ethical daylight here, that we must recognize. Asking forgiveness, and receiving it is how we repair our relationships, and the fabric of society itself."
We could all do with more friends like you Sam. What a beautifully spoken message.
There is a comedy skit waiting for anyone who describes the absolute requirement never to use the n-word even when trying to explain to a naive person what the actual word is.
Lemme know the minute you find it, lol. I don't have the comedy skills what so ever to do that skit justice, I'd butcher it.
But god damn I so wanna see it when it happens! 😀
The n-word would never be used in the skit, right? So, it _could_ happen. I would think that it would have to be a white comedian for it to work. George Carlin is no longer with us so I'm thinking someone like Ricky Gervais.
Louis CK had a good "n-word" bit
I moved from Utah to Arizona in highschool and made a bunch of black friends. One day they were all trying to make me say it and I finally caved and my dumbass dropped the hard r. I just thought it was like an accent to say it without the r. so embarrassing lol that was the first and last time I've ever said it 😂
Wonderfully articulated in empathy and kindness, Mr Harris. Let's hope and pray society listens to you and others, who offer clear insight into such a core value such as forgiveness and kindness. Something we in my society have had to embrace to move forward and grow.
💜 Northern Ireland
A comedian who offers lousy medical advice can still harm people who were born stupid .
Such messages, like yours Mr. Sam, convey hope for the future of human society that is increasingly moving in the direction of ' my way or the highway' attitude ! Wish you much more strength to carry on what you do 🙏 !
My passive stress decreased by 50% just listening to this. Thank you Sam for making sense.
Sam definitely has a very soothing voice
exactly my thoughts. i'm really glad to have listened to this today.
Thank you Sam. Gratitude coming your way for this compassionate, truthful and considered take.
Great testimony for Joe not being a racist, but of all people, Sam is not one who can vouch for Joe because of his own history of not ever, rather hardly ever, interviewing Black public intellectuals - save for ideologues of a very singular ilk. Shame on Sam; he has no credibility in this domain. (Despite his trying to latch onto Joe's bona fides.)
Thanks much Sir for your take on this controversy.. Very enlightening and to be honest, calms my rage with this issue.. More power to you and Joe
I've never been a big fan of yours, but wow, what a great sincere and enlightened perspective on not just Joe as a person but the consequent diatribe that vultures around these superficial societal slights. Well done.
One of the scariest scenes in all of film history for me was in Frank Darabont's 'The Mist.' Where the young innocent soldier played by Sam Witwer is confronted and targeted by the majority group of survivors in the store. And despite his pleading he ultimately he is stabbed and thrown out to his death. The situation was utterly horrifying because no matter how right you are and no matter how civil or how much sense you make, it all means nothing to majority rule. That is terrifying.
I believe that you are referring to "mob mentality" rather than "majority rule". As your comment currently reads, it appears to be Chinese propaganda against democracy!
@@charleswomack2166 Marxist idea of democracy is literally Dictatorship of the majority...
Its majority rule if you dont like it but its the will of the people if you do. If youre pro capitalism how do people still not understand that every aspect of this stuff is purely profit driven and the overwhelming majority of normal ppl dont care about this stuff. Youre just stun locked in twitter land or facebook.
They threw the soldier out because he was black. They were in Alabama and he was uninvited.
@@charleswomack2166 That's right. It's not like the torch and pitchfork-carrying mob had first met at the church for punch, cookies, and debate before voting to kill the monster.
I am an academic with a Ph.D. yet I appreciate the fact that Joe Rogan learns along with his listeners. There is a delightful honesty he exhibits, one that academics often cannot muster.
Dr. Glenn Loury and Dr. John McWhorter are backing up Joe Rogan. Period.
With all due respect, we should probably be thinking critically about the fact that we now live in a culture where opinions are only legitimately expressible once they've been backed up by Black Ph.D.s. The simple existence of those two supporting examples alone should _not_ be considered a good enough argument to convince an academic of anything, one way or another. Their race is (or at least should be) incidental. Period.
In the most non-cynical way I can say this, it's a real problem that we've become so fixated with superficial credibility in matters of expression. For one, argument from authority is antithetical to science; secondly, suppression of opinion is downright corrosive to both honesty _and_ democratic process, whether the opinion being suppressed is legitimate or not.
The tendency to perk up our eyes enthusiastically whenever we hear of support from the Black Academic community for any position that we might otherwise be too reserved to express should be a cause for alarm.
What do you think about Trevor Noah's perspective on this? Thanks. czcams.com/video/D5SYrX41BtA/video.html
Yeah his blatant bigotry is super delightful
@@pocket83squared I agree with you completely. The only reason why I mentioned two black PhDs is because (1) most of Sam Harris' listeners are Lefties who think that race is the end all and be all (I think it's irrelevant or only mildly informative) and (2) because the Left believes in "lived experience" which is only anecdotal evidence and eschews the Enlightenment ideas of reason and empircal evidence. So that final comment was in anticipation of Lefties who I assumed would challenge me.
Now, it's completely valid to challenge my assumption that most of Harris' listeners are Lefties. I haven't seen any data but when I've listened to his podcasts from time to time and read the comments, seems like much of his listenership lean toward the Left's worldview ... not completely but they seem to be very deferential to collective identity markers.
Personally, I'm an MLK fan. I think that race has something to do with who we are but it is only one component of many. I am not white and I certain don't look at life through a racial lens. It's only when race gets brought up that I have to put myself into the filter.
@@pocket83squared Yikes, I responded already to your comment but just now realized that it was much longer: I did not hit the "read more" button. After reading your full comment all I can say is that you are 110% correct and that I've been preaching this for 30 years. As a tactical move, I always bring up black academics to bolster my comments in and outside the classroom because (1) I cannot make any comment relating to black folks as a non-black person without getting accused of racism by my students and colleagues and (2) there is this pervasive belief among the woke in California that all black people are poor, undereducated, victims of society, etc. consequently when I bring up black intellectuals and put their faces on the projector who agree with me .. such as Dr. Thomas Sowell, Jason Riley, et al or even historical figures like Booker T. Washington then I am taken seriously. I'm living in a milieu in which people's arguments are only valid or not valid contingent upon one's skin color and its position on the woke "hierarchy of oppression" which is explicitly taught in classes. It's a devilishly anti-intellectual and dishonest way of looking at the world but such is the state of affairs in the halls of academia in California.
One of my intellectual heroes is Douglas Murray who wrote books and who was interviewed probably thousands of times and nobody knew he was gay until one of his interviewers asked him directly. Douglas said 'yes, I am.' Then the interviewer asked, 'why have you kept this a secret?' To which Douglas Murray responded (paraphrasing,)' it's not a secret, my personal social network has always known. However, my sexuality should have nothing to do with my ideas. My arguments should be evaluated on their logic irrespective my personal experience or identifications.' I have never forgotten that interview; his integrity and virtue stands head and shoulders above almost everybody in today's America.
I always enjoy listening to the way you build the rationale to make your points. I definitely agree with your argumentation about racism. People have forgotten to think.
I’m glad that there are so many people coming to his defence. I think it is SO important to hear multiple different opinions and his platform has always done this. I really hope this struggle doesn’t make him duck for cover.
I'll never understand why Joe didn't just create his own network. He could have brought a load of his regular guests over, like Ari, Tom Segura, Tony Hinchcliffe, Randal Carlson, heck even Jordan Peterson, given them all their own shows and set up a near rival to CZcams, free of big corporate shenanigans. Such a wasted opportunity, though maybe will still happen.
I really hope Joe listens to this. It's about as well formulated as could be.
He will. He respects Sam.
Yes, don't ever apologize for using a word in a non offensive way.
I had expected what you would say and what you actually said went far beyond in logic, compassion and thoughtfulness than what I thought it would.
You are going to take a hit for even discussing such a radioactive topic with objectivity, let alone defending him, and that shows your loyalty to both Joe and Rationality.
Man I could listen to you all day, the economy of words and deliverance is like poetry. I honestly can’t think of a anyone better to bring clarity to pretty much any topic no matter how deadly the terrain. If only we had world leaders with even a modicum of the same rational and level headedness we would live in such a different social climate. Don’t stop what you’re doing Sam 🙏🏽
Here here. 👍
I agree. Completely. I always say the same thing, why can’t we get world leaders like Sam, it would literally be a different world!!!
Would be nice to see Sam have Either of the DR.s on his podcast… if he’s confident in his knowledge of that subject. Why not have them on and have a science based discussion. The science changes by the month on this subject over the last 2 years.
@@philosopher0076 What is Sam's philosophy?
@@keithboynton I was referring more to Dr Malone… Speaking of outliers though, throughout history many people who were regarded as outliers during their period of existence were later on seen as ahead of their time. Regardless, someone like Sam…you would think would be open to a scientific discussion at the very least. All he has to do is prepare he’s an extremely smart guy. He can lay the evidence out… if Sam wants to pull in a virologist to debate him that seems like a great idea as well. Shutting people down isn’t the answer. Again if you don’t feel that Sam has high enough credentials to question Dr. Malone in his field of expertise, bring in outside help. By challenging Malone, we could see something very interesting…
Sam, you are incredibly insightful! This is 💯 spot one!!!
“I’m way too online, and wokeness is the only problem I can keep up with” lmfao
Glad you find your own words so amusing.
@@Corn_Pone_Flicks was actually Sams words
Dont laugh too hard. You could very much be in the "Im way too online, and being woke is all I can keep up with" camp.
@@treborkroy5280 I mean, it accurately describes the majority of IDW types
@@treborkroy5280 I could? Ya I’m not, thanks for your concern
Thank you for confirming what Joe Rogan fans all know: Joe Rogan is not a racist. Of course, the attack on him has nothing to do with any real outrage over racism.
When you say you walked into the “planet of the apes” because of the fact that the movie theater you went to was filled with black people…it kinda is.
@@Vandetta333 Good luck finding a funny comedian that has never said a racist joke.
@@Vandetta333 I agree that was appalling and Joe is ashamed of that. That was a long time he has asked for forgiveness. Did you not listen to Sam's commentary?
There is no perfection in the world that has ever been demonstrated. Sam,here, has taken the time to show we can find and reveal examples to study/emulate, and denigrate/ignore among us as few well intentioned/equipped folks in our world can. Thx Sam, and the thought process you often bring.
This is the first time I'm visiting this channel and I enjoyed hearing every bit of what Sam has said. I hope many more of Joe's popular friends come out to defend him publicly. I listened to so many of Joe's podcasts and never once got the sense that he was racist.
Listen to what jacko willink said about him..
@@SeKo1844 I just did🤗, Thank you.
One of the first people to defend Rogan was Yeonmi Park, someone who escaped from a communist country. Those who lived it can see what’s going on. And they know the enemy.
@@worthloss7855 I went to search for it and ended up watching her over 2-hour long conversation with Dr Peterson instead and my gosh. I was not ready for how intense it was. Thank you.
I wrote my first joke a few days ago.
A Chimp, orangutang and Joe Rogan was in a theatre, Rogan, being in the position to ask, asked, 'why is the earth round'?
The monkey said 'it's something to do with gravity!'
The orangutang said, 'there is not enough matter, it's something to do with dark matter!' Rogan said 'I think you are both right but I don't think it is so black and white!'
Then said he googled and saw Tarzan was forever, and by the power of deduction thought there must be something before the big bang,
upon which he asked, 'what about those Buddhists?'
Thank you, Sam. Your comment is an eloquent and timely defense of Joe Rogan and the need for the gracious acceptance of apologies in our society. Some religious people I know fail to understand the latter.
He has nothing to apologize for. If anything Sam is the one who needs to apologize for supporting censorship and being anti free speach
Agreed, but most the people hating on Joe are atheist leftists
Sam's ability to communicate in such a clear and focused manner is truly a gift.
Sam Harris went from telling the world black people are dumber than white people, to defending offensive and ridiculous insults to a tired and non understood people. The apology was not for you, because you've never been called an n, nor were your ancestors oppressed whiled being called that. You coming on here and giving your opinion on the apology is like when Ken Paxton filed a lawsuit with the supreme court about a law that was not in his state nor affected his state. You have no standing, you have no grievance, you have no casualty, other than the discomfort of the idea that maybe you are more part of the problem than the solution. f off with your constant white knighting of people who are constantly prodding people who haven't been given a break for 403 years now.
I wish Christopher Hitchens was alive and around for BLM, Charlottesville, Trump vs Hillary, corona, afghan withdrawal, and so many things, but more than anything, so that he could witness and critique the descent of your fabricated and masturbatory stature since the Bill Maher episode and the TYT episode. To see you squirm and cling for a grasp of sanity with worms like David Frum and Dave Rubin. You my sir Sam Harris have gone a very long way to ensure history will remember you as a clown.
It is a good thing atheism is not a religion, because representatives like you are a terrible look.
It wasn't a gift, it's a skill he learned.
@@tylerwatrouse8602 You seem upset for some reason. Everything okay big man?
@@Bilow_Selhi yea im good but you have something brown on your nose
@@tylerwatrouse8602 Good job taking Sam Harris out of context.
Wow. So well communicated. Thank you Sam Harris ❤ Love from Detroit 🇺🇸
Incredibly well articulated - thanks Sam
He aint got nothing to apologise for
Sam telling rogan how to do pr? Like in dead babies? Skulls? Children in the basement? You can't make this up.
This was an excellent take, perfectly articulated. Well done, Sam.
true
we need a new sargon-devon tracey podcast episode
Oh how I need to see a conversation between you two.
This is sargons only comment on this channel
Hey i know you
I love you Sam. Thank you for speaking sense!
Thanks for the calm, rational voice in a sea of anger and blame.
While writing my first novel, I found myself at one point, posting chapters on site where others could read and rate.
I had posted a chapter that introduced a black protagonist's mother. She wore rollers in her head, house slippers, and spoke in a way where she'd commonly say, "baby, sugah, chile".
So I got a review from this lady in which she enjoyed my chapter, my characters and the content.. Her only issue was with the mother. She said I just didn't like the way she spoke. "Not all black women speak like that , I sure don't.."u Fair enough.. But you see there are no pictures of me on this site no one knew what race, Just my name, S.C.Cobb. I assumed that she thought I was white.To which I responded, "I apologize if you took offense, But that character was modeled after MY mother, and that's how she spoke."
She immediately apologized and quickly became a major fan.. But what was I to do if I were white and had written those exact same words? It just shows you how how quickly we are to dismiss and disqualify and even cancel without even knowing all the facts, or being able to read someone's intentions over what triggers us. As opposed to how we allowed it to trigger us
It's funny, reading the mother's quote, I felt uncomfortable, until you said she was based on your mother. I also assumed you were white.
It's my own hypocrisy I guess, assuming your race , when you said you were a novelist (as if all novelists are pale) and whites "aren't supposed to write like that".
@@alex-qd6of Is that kind of response learned or what? We didnt use to be so on high alert to be offended over such things. It cant be healthy for ones mental state.
Perfect example and perfectly articulated.
@@alex-qd6of Thing is, it shouldn't matter if he was white. Period.
If you’re going to be afraid of an n word it should be “No knock warrant”
no knock, get the glock
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That doesn't end well for the resident in the home when they no knock.
@@ricknash3055 Well if you don't do anything about it, they keep doing it.
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Understand your well-intentioned perspective but using the glock guarantees there won't be any concern about them keep doing it.. cuz you're dead.
@@ricknash3055 Agree, but you went out on your own accord, yeah your dead buy there is freedom and validation in death by stand for what you believe in. If all we do is fear death at all cost then the one who has power over us wins everytime.
I don’t always agree with you, but I respect you, I value your work, and I try my best to understand your thought process. In perfect Sam Harris form you’ve made a rational and reasonable push towards what you believe to be true and we are on the same page with this. Thank you for what you do. Your mindfulness app is great! It got me back into meditation for the first time since high school.
It's so nice to listen to a take on Joe Rogan and not feel like I'm still being gaslit. Thank you for the clarity and sanity.
So freaking glad someone had the guts to say this. Sam continues to be fearless in pursuing the truth in an unreasonable world. Consistently on issue after issue, Sam is a beacon of rationality
He has one fear... “platforming” Robert Maloney.
Except if you dare question the official Covid narrative
I don’t know. He flat out refuses to talk with his former “friends”, such as Bret Weinstein, just because of their ideals don’t align. Seems very odd to me.
Well said
@@1Deep43VA And have you listened to a single word he has said on *why* he is doing that? Because he has spent considerable air time addressing this “concern.”
I'm not always in agreement with Sam but this was very well said and very reasonable
Sam is quite honestly my favorite person with whom I disagree considerably. I love hearing him speak, I admire his thinking, and in a strange way he tends to aid in strengthening my faith. I love the man, and would love to shake his hand and tell him “thank you for existing.”
I wish this were required listening for all of America!Flawless and complete. Awesome!
@@freeman7079 that’s very interesting and I feel very similarly.
@@freeman7079 He strengthens my lack of faith in a God, and I thank him for it!
What do you think about Trevor Noah's perspective on this? Thanks. czcams.com/video/D5SYrX41BtA/video.html
I love your clarity of thought and your clarity of word. Excellent point of view.
Thank you for your reasoned, level-headed approach to everything
Bravo Sam, you are a man of quality! I wish all of this craziness will end soon.
It'll be followed by greater craziness. The more attuned to each other people become, the more chaotic the world gets. And -- at least in this phase of social history -- attunement is a one-way street, and as the weeks pass the traffic cops are handing out bigger and badder tickets while the civil engineers are narrowing the sidewalks. Do not obstruct the traffic.
It's beginning ;)
Beyond the apology issue the greater damage is deleting episodes especially if done by Joe Rogan’s consent. This means that all future speech on his podcast, by Joe or his guests, cannot be free. JRE conversations will be either explicitly or implicitly censored. And that’s damaging. If the mob can take down Rogan, then everyone should worry because you will be next if the mob decides to knock on your door.
Or implicitly or explicitly of better quality?
@@drts6955 How can something be of better quality if you can no longer be sure if what you are getting is true?
@@Nimuel Do you mean how can something be of better quality if an effort is made to ensure the information given is of better quality?
Rogan can’t be canceled Though . He has ‘fuck you’ money . Please understand this
@@drts6955 How do you define "better" quality?
Beautiful recording Sam, thank you for putting this out
"My friend" = "a guy I can't badmouth because his platform is useful to advancing my career."
Totally agree. I also thought his second apology went kind of "too far".
one should never bow to these people. it just makes things worse.
But we have to masochistically whip ourselves because Joe said the bad word.
@@TheLotionInTheBasket Like sharks when there is blood in the water.
@joseph deutsch cool poem bro
I agree but at the end of the day as long as Joe wasn’t forced to do it then it’s his life and his business. I’ll support this guy and anything he chooses to do, there’s nobody else on this earth who was provided me with more entertainment over the past decade.
"forgiveness is a fucking miracle" when Sam drops the f-bomb it hits different.
I think you mean "the f word"
Hilarious how rappers like Ice Cube said "We started using that word to take the power out of it." Even if that was the intention, the outcome could not have been more different. That word has never held such an absurd and hilarious amount of power in the 21st century. It is fucking insane, psychotic and childish to not apply context to this 'magical' word.
The minute you apologize, you lose. Never apologize. Defend yourself.
Ahhh... I was missing your voice, your clarity, your compassion, your love, your articulation and your wisdom. Thank you for saying this.
There are few people I truly admire and look up to. Sam Harris is at the top. Joe Rogan might be coming in second :)
This was beautiful. Even though you and Joe have disagreed to some extent on some recent matters, Sam -- you know Joe's true character, and it was amazing to hear you speak of it here so eloquently.
When he mentioned the bit about joe letting certain people speak about the coof on his podcast could do harm considering his huge audience my take is what more damage can he do? that the government has already done to the entire population the measures did more harm and created ripple effects that will be felt for generations.
@@BB-mq9qk John Hopkins study found that the lockdowns saved .2% of lives throughout their duration. Imagine the economic impact on families and small businesses, mental health, physical health. The lockdowns were abhorrent and inexcusable, and the people who instituted and championed them will NEVER apologize. Madness.
@@kylecasey7890 saving lives wasn’t the sole impetus to the lockdowns, it was preventing hospitals from being overwhelmed. you can want to eschew all of the negative unintended consequences from them, but without functional, well staffed hospitals and medical facilities, societal breakdowns would be even worse and last even longer than the problems we’re currently facing.
@@BB-mq9qk They would rather deny it than admit it, that's why efforts are being made to silence anyone who questions the decisions that have been made.
@@iphner43 “preventing hospitals from being overwhelmed” is a dead argument I suspect your not up to date with the amount of collateral damage these measures have caused and how much negative affect it has created for generations of families, businesses across the globe and to think that was a good trade off just to protect an already under staffed broken hospital system in America is absurd.
Thank you for your thoughts on this. You made some really good points. God bless you.
That was beautiful and spot on. I agree with everything you said, thank you for this message! Joe we are with you!!
The end of this literally brought tears to my eyes Sam. Obviously most of us have never met Joe but I feel like he’s a close friend who’s being shit on by a bunch of people who hate him without even knowing him. It’s unfair and wrong.
what a fuckin fanboy. who gives a shit? why are you emotionally involved with your boyfriend rogan?
no 1 cares, rogan probably got burned & heckled worse when he was doing his shows
@@icarus0206 I believe we call it compassion. Who knows though. I could be making the word up 🤷🏼♂️
Me too.
Never liked him, never will.
@@LWT1331 your loss.
I was hoping you'd address this matter and appreciate your take on things.
Greatest 'forgiveness' description of all time."Forgiveness is a f*cking miracle !"..... Spoken like a true friend.
Thank you for your sane approach! So rare so needed!!!
Thank you Sam! Great perspective, as usual.
Sam just said what so many of us are thinking and said it in the most articulate way I could ever imagine. The hysteria with a word, the dishonesty with the outrage -- right on the head.
Apologies for the long response. Your post got me thinking.
I've been called the N word by someone who actually meant it. I've heard the word used in casual conversations by white people and by black people. Didn't like it either of those times. I hate that word! Not just because of the dark history associated with it, but the fact that a f'ing word can have so much power over me and other black people. It's like our collective subconscious has been hijacked & we're experiencing a form of group PTSD whenever we hear it.
A word shouldn't have that much power over anyone. Reminds me of something Chappelle said in one of his standups. If he went into KFC & the person at the register asked him if he wanted something followed by the N word. Dave said he wouldn't walk out just because the guy said that. Not if he's hungry. A word only has as much power as someone gives it. There's a lesson in putting things in their proper perspective hidden in what he said. I agree 100%!
Was Joe wrong to use it? Yes, definitely. Should he have been more sensitive to the situation he was creating? Perhaps. The planet of the apes thing was definitely a bad look, even if he realized right after. He messed up, no doubt. Do I think he's racist? No.
Here's what gets to me though; Joe has had on multiple black people on his show, from scientists & doctors, to comedians & actors, to a black guy who had an inspiring story about how he became friends with a klan member who began to see the error of his ways after their conversations together. Are all of those people racist apologists or sympathizers now? Is Dave Chappelle or David Goggins (friends of Rogan & who are known for keeping it real 100% of the time)?
I find the timing of this especially suspicious. All of those clips have been around for years. Yet, they didn't make a big deal of it before. Now that he has voiced his concern about the COVID vaccines & supported alternative methods of protection against COVID, they have it out for him.
So sam is fine with Joe Rogan apologizing because he's a comedian and a neutral political party. But if it was someone Sam Harris didnt like or anyone associated with Trump or the Republican partyh it would be because theyre racist. Thats what he's saying that ive been thinking
@@012345678940975 Youre right. And thats the problem. The complaint is just a cancel culture move. India Arie put that compilation together...right about the time she pulled her music off spotify to protest joe rogan
@@raptango_na6199 Exactly! It comes across as so disingenuous. Just looks to me like India Arie cares more about money actually. And I'm calling bs on this witch hunt. It's an obvious hit piece that has nothing to do with the original issue they had with Joe. Which was about COVID. That wasn't working, so they're trying this garbage now, and during black history month mind you. Just pisses me off that so many black people are going to see that compilation and take the bait. They're going to jump on the he's a racist bandwagon without caring to look further into it.
How is the rage dishonest? So y'all are downplaying black people feelings. Don't worry. Keep showing your true colors
On point! You have a very clear and sober take on this issue.
I love how intelligent you speak about a variety of subjects and to convey a message in understandable words for people of lesser intelligence like myself.
He isn't nearly as bright as he thinks he is. He derives all his values from the Judeo Christian tradition and then says he doesn't believe in God. Hes an absolute clown
It was never about holding Rogan accountable for his speech. It was always about corporate media being desperate to remove a competitor.
Boom
Sam, thank you for being you and doing what you do.
One of the rare voices of reason. A gentleman and a scholar. I would like his book The Moral Landscape to be studied in our public schools.
@@yetanotheryoutuber4271 You are correct, but given the still regnant and wrong association of religion and morals, it wont be for a very long time.
Yes, indeed.
@bobby macallister No, it wasnt, and here are two black Professors saying so.
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@bobby macallister Random insults thrown with no actual explanation. Nothing of value
Thank you for standing up for Joe, even with your disagreements about certain guests that Joe has had on the show. It’s really hard to watch what the media is doing to him. You could not have said it better about this being a “magical incantation.” I am studying religion in grad school and you absolutely nailed this issue with that phrase.
Can I make a suggestion? When I was in my first college (Shimer college, a great books curriculum) we only used the Socratic method in class, and had small classes of 10 students max. I have always wanted to see a mega podcast episode where some of the big hitters get together at a round table and have dialog.
Is that possible? Maybe a series of 6 to 10 episodes? My dream team for this type of series: Sam Harris, Eric Weinstein, Bari Weiss, Joe Rogan, Lex Fridman, Bret Weinstein, Heather Heying, Jordan Peterson. I’m sure I’m missing a few. Maybe throw in a joker to the mix. Tim Dillon.
Roundtable series would be reeeeaaaallllllyyy cool right now for solidarity!
Really well-articulated points. Thank you for sharing.
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Just so beautifully put. 🙏😇❤️
Mr . Harris… Im so damn proud of you today.
Thank you for these kind authentic words of wisdom that all of us should hear and strive towards.
We all have to get better and being kind, understanding, and compassionate people.
We have to.
This message has set the very best of examples, for all of us to follow.
Thank you so much Sam for these inspiring words.
Stay this course, it is heartwarmingly genuine and inspiring.
Take good care my friend.
Jeremy.
Thanks Sam, anyone who has spent hours upon hours listening to Joe talk, never had any doubt about his character. He's truly one of a kind, and wonderful human!
The pathological treatment of the word starts with the religious prohibition of even pronounce it. As if it was invoking the devil or some other unimaginable calamity.
I used to work in a business with a customer base that was mainly working class, mixed races and ethnicities; *everybody* used the word *all the time* to refer to *everybody,* regardless of race or ethnicity. It carried a sense of closeness and camaraderie, that the academics and activists who started this new religion could never understand.
Thank you, Sam!! We love you and your contributions to this world!
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Sam I love you man. You always bring clarity from as objective a point of view as possible
Hey sam, you just gained a subscriber, i seen you on Joe Rogan many times. Im sorry my first video of your work has to be this one, very telling of our time. Overall, what an amazing take, it is almost like humanity has hope. But, i cant say they will for long. Unfortunately this too, will fall on deaf ears. 😕 God bless you Sam Harris, and God bless Joe Rogan.
sam, first time commenter, long time listener.. brother you are absolutely spot on in your analysis of joes apology. spot on. great job brother. love you, keep up the good work
i was actually very upset with the nature of rogans apology, and to be honest i felt betrayed by his response. i am so dam tired of words being treated with a level sacred. a word is a word. it's a tool to express a communication. context at which a word is used should be the sole premise by which moral and ethnical standards and judgement should be relevant. thank you again for helping me forgive joe and remain hopeful with respect to credibility. love you sam. keep up the good work brother
Thank you! This was beautifully articulated.
Love this episode. So tired of irrational extremes everywhere that are only destroying the possibility of a better life for everyone. Like you said "There really is a ray of ethical daylight here, that we must recognize. Asking forgiveness and receiving it, is how we repair our relationships and the fabric of society itself."
This is what I love about CZcams. I feel you find people like Joe Rogan, Sam Harris, Lex Fridman, and so on, who are just genuine people who look at things as logically as they are capable of. They take the facts as they see them, develop opinions, but are open to the idea that they might be wrong about something. What you get in most media is people preening and grandstanding and cutting the throats of anyone who goes against liberal or conservative orthodoxy. Everyone belongs in nice neat little political boxes, and if they don't fit, then they must be destroyed. Hence what we're seeing happen to Rogan. So to the Rogan's, the Fridman's, and the Harris's of the world, thank you for standing up for what you believe in, especially when it's unpopular. The world needs a LOT more of that.
Amen on well spoken and articulated Sam Harris, you and Joe are a pillar of light,
You’ve probably just given the best perspective on this controversy anyone has so far Dr. Harris
What do you think about Trevor Noah's perspective on this? Thanks. czcams.com/video/D5SYrX41BtA/video.html
He did nothing wrong. These people deserve no apology, no concession.
Sorry, but I think you missed the point.
I watched the Joe Rogan videos and the PLANET OF THE APES comment clearly shows he royally screwed up and sounded very RACIST. 🤐
@@pdcdesign9632 oh no, some e-celeb said some words that made you sad :( Have you tried turning off the video and taking a walk outside?
But all of this is our fault. We are here rationalizing the behavior of these children, taking their emotional outbursts seriously, cowering to their demands, when they deserve nothing but being laughed out of the room. Sam Harris is complicit.
@@pdcdesign9632 Umm no...if you hear the phrase planet of the apes...and you think of black people exclusively. you are the racist....
Rogan describes himself as an ape pretty regularly. and if he does that and unself-consciously used it to describe a particular group of rowdy people who happen to be black *and it fits that situation, That's the definition of post-racial consciousness*
I say it too...people are apes, savages, barbarians, animals, and absolute donkeys, Rogan is a jacked gorilla...look at him....
at some point the weird association with apes being mono-racial...likely says more about you and a shrill group of grievance finders with an antique cause-du-jour...than with whatever fast and loose fella that spoke it
Thank you Sam. Your voice is really needed when something like this happens. It would be good to have your opinion on Joe's comment where he mentioned planet of the apes in reference to an area with many black people. i feel he would feel this an error and the comment is extremely offensive however this is the one thing he said which can make people quesiton his character.
Sam and Joe - I value you guys both immensely.