The CONFUSING Separatist Command Structure Fully Explained
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The complex web of the CIS's military and political command, from droid hierarchies to Separatist political intrigue.
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
0:52 Articles of Secession
5:00 The Parliament
10:08 The Council
18:26 The Supreme Commander
21:47 Droid Armies
27:32 Organic Armies
29:32 Navy
33:56 Task Forces and High Command
36:36 Outro - Krátké a kreslené filmy
Love that the Separatists' senate is literally the British parliament but with politicians who are much more chill. 😅
Iol And considering our glimpse into the Seperatist Senate they were all shouting each other down, that says a lot about British Parliament. Reminds me of Robin Williams’ description of BP; “It’s like (US) Congress with a two drink minimum!”
It’s too bad that it didn’t mean much. Especially how Count Dooku used the Force on Padme to shoot that one Separatist Senator on Scipio
The Separatist parliament has “ORDERRRR!”
At least the separatists parliament didn't go make racist slurs about their constunits like the British parliament does about the Scotts, Welsh, and Irish
And they have an otter
Grievous in films: ❌
Grievous in lore: ✅
also how badass he was in the early 2000s mini-series
But then Filoni came and the times of woe had begun.
Grievous in the 2003 series: 👑
The movies are lore
@@RealCodreXFiloni just followed the film lore better?
The CIS hated corporations so much they made a literal intergalactic company town
LOL.
If that’s from TCW that show does way worse with the canon. It contradicts the films fairly often, that should say all you need to know
*Fun fact:* Wat Tambor was first introduced in the 2001 novel "Cloak of Deception", one year before his film debut in "Attack of the Clones". James Luceno had George Lucas' permission to read the script for Episode II while writing the book.
Cool book that is not as action heavy but instead focuses more on the machinations of Sidious just before Phantom Menace, as well as explain how the Nemoidans gained so much power in the Trade Federation
The book can be a bit of a chore to some, but at least it gets better with the Darth Plagueis novel in mind.
@@michaelandreipalon359 I 100% agree. It’s much more on the subterfuge politics and maneuvering since there is hardly any action. I’ve read it twice (most recent was over the weekend) and yeah there were a few times I completely checked out. You could honestly read just the first chapter, the parts with Sidious & Nute Gunray, then the end and miss nothing.
I've got a few star wars books by James Luceno, the guy is an amazing writer (I really hope he writes another book for Star wars at some point, although given his age it wouldn't surprise me if he's retired)
I've said it before, and I'll say it again : we need a separatist tv show
THIS
Disney would probably find a way to mess it up, although I'd definitely trust the Andor showrunners to do it justice
Can picture a "band of brothers" style show... but following a squad of Clones or newly created Droids.. from. Creation an Activation/Training Grad to the end of the War an maybe also beyond
@robertagu5533 I'm thinking more of prequel to clone wars that follows how the Confederacy formed and how it was corrupted by the Sith, with maybe some seasons following the Confederacy's fall in the clone wars and even how they became rebels in the empire era. But a band of brothers could be easily weaved in, along with backstories for famous separatist characters
@@midniteraptor1474 sounds bit more indeph then even my imput... could work.... IF we can trust Disney of course. Then again, maybe be scared of what w might get.. Wouldnt want a military younger Holdo training them when we was hoping for Bo katan
You gotta feel bad for those who supported the CIS during the trying of the Galactic Empire
They were probably gloating the whole way through. “Y'all thought we were the villains and now you’re doing it too.”
You know say what you want about that Lizzo/Jack Black episode from Mando season 3, but the minister saying Count Dooku was a visionary is the most based thing I've ever heard a Star Wars character say.
Imagine if the CIS started legitimately, and not as part of Palpatine's Grand Plan. Would have been pretty cool to have two competing, coexisting Republics.
Who had the most power in the CIS?
Simple, Darth Sidious.
Who had the most power in the Republic?
Simple, Darth Sidious.
It was Darth sidious all along
Who had the most power in the Empire?
Simple, Darth Sidious.
who had a bad return in the sequels? simple, Darth Sidious.
I thought you were going to say darth jar jar
Count Dooku's neck broach is the greatest legend in all of Star Wars
Babe wake up, Geetsly just dropped another masterpiece!
I told you, we're watching the half hour star wars lore video, then you can leave
Although Count Dooku was “openly” running the CIS I wonder how much Palpatine directly controlled things.
Somewhere between mostly and entirely
Palpatine controlled everything
dooku controlled mosr
most
@@grrumakemeangry Not really when Sidious ordered his every move. Dooku was just the face of the CIS. Sidious was the one in control.
I like how complex and interconnected everything is. with parts not even exclusively being seperatist. but going where their interests lie and their structures compel them. makes it feel very real.
Indeed
We're told continuously that Grievous is this dangerous killing machine that leaves no survivors, but then in the movies he's constantly fleeing or not directly participating in combat. Then when he does fight - an admittedly very cool fight against Kenobi - he loses. I feel like Grievous in the movies and a large part of the Clone Wars show is such wasted potential. He is so freaking cool, I just wish they knew how to use him. How he's described in this lore video is very sick.
The Republic sure loves making holo films to degrade the greatest war commander in Galactic history.
Grievous doesn’t run all of the time, he ran like one time because he knew he’d lost. Being stupid isn’t being a badass. TCW is noncanon garbage, and Grievous in the movie is weak because of what happened in 2003 CW, he was a killing machine who got his lungs and heart crushed by Windu. The Real world reason was to mimic Darth Vader like maul and dooku had, in universe it was explained and TCW ruined it
I recently rewatched that one episode from the Clone Wars with Lux Bonteri and the Death Watch. One thing I found notable was that when Lux was being taken away by the Commando Droids, he warned the Separatists, which included Bec Lawise, that Dooku would betray them, too.
Guess what happened to Bec Lawise two seasons later?
Its ironic.
*in Palpatine voice* How ironic...
The Confederacy rapidly centralising during the course of the war - in flagrant disregard of their supposed ideas - is a fun little nod to the real world CIS, which behaved similarly during the American Civil War.
Not rapidly enough, though
*CSA
The nature of total war
@@theliato3809
Wrong, is the nature of false ideals and hypocrisy
WW1 and WW2 were cases of Total War, still, you dont see England or America (or france in ww1) become dictatorships, both the CSA and the CIS became dictatorships because the idea of automomy was not there because of a real belief on it, but because the central government didn’t allowed them to do the bad thing they wanted to do, and once that central government that stopped their atrocities was gone…
It's almost like loose confederations can't stand against a centralized power, even one in decline.
This is why i love the prequel era, how can anyone say that this isnt fucking interesting? The most interesting era together with the old republic
5:29 @Geetsly’s The Confederacy is a CONfederal government, loose collection of independent nations as a opposed to a federal government which is a structured collection of dependent nations
yep and ironically the whole government was a CON. The military being entirely separate from civilian oversight could have easily disbanded the separatist senate in two seconds, oh and being secretly controlled by Palpatine.
Having a government that does not need *everyone* to fall in line to get anything done is a federal one. The CIS is more a lose federation.
Well the Swiss confedration is actually a federation anyway
@@exmeasententia6953 Is the Swiss Confederation a federation located somewhere in the Outer Rim?
@@TheLeftCollectiveTLC-sb9zf no but it's a confedration in name only
Can I just say I’m loving these longer format videos. These are the types of videos I live for 😂🔥 especially those 2 hour videos.
Great video, Justice to Grievous
36:32 will note that, iirc, there is a scene in the clone wars series where Ventress does subordinate herself to Grievous, though other scenes indeed show she probably didn't particularly relish doing so 😆
Believe it was in "rookies." She adopts a kneeling posture and calls him "my lord" (as she would Dooku himself).
Well Grievous technically outranks her and this is probably only a bit after he crushed her and durge single-handedly so she might have still been wary of him. Though once grievous started losing to people is when that wariness sort of went away given that with the Jedi (given that he made quite the name for himself) he lost intimidation and unorthodoxy with the masters which Dooku noted were his primary advantages and that he should retreat if they were lacking.
A long video detailing the military structure of the Separatists, what a treat. And yes I would like a video for this done for the Republic next. Maybe we could even get to the Rebels and Empire after that?
26:38-53: So five regements make a division and need an organic officer thats good to know for this fanfic I've got in the works, but 542 AATs are a lot to keep track of, so I'll have to lower that number to something more reasonable, well this is just a remenet force consisting of just what could be on a Dreadnaought, Frigate, and a Supply Ship
27:15-27:22: So if that's how much a Lucruhulk had, how much can a Supply Ship, you know the ones introduced in the Battle of Umbara, carry?
Those are good questions.
@@kingorange7739 Thank you.
I think it is more so Grievous trusted Durge and the like to not need his supervision rather than them really not needing to answer to him.
I mean he named one of his own campaigns “durge’s lance” so he likely thought highly of him as a warrior even though he managed to break him and Ventress simultaneously
Grievous: Hmm, I just owned you and the bald chick. Yet you're pretty chill. You can do whatever you want. In fact, I'll name my biggest operation after you.
Durge: 😶👍
It's a wonder they got anything done at all during the Clone Wars
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It is almost like as if the Confederacy was not intended to win.
Indeed.
If Palpy wasn’t influencing them they would’ve without question. Billions of droids to millions of clones, tho if no palpy no clones, they’d have won the war within a year
The Council were basically just Sith allies. They had no real interest in the CIS cause, and from a logical standpoint, the CIS actually should oppose them ideologically. The Parliament and Separatist citizens probably just tolerated the council, because the Council were, at the end of the day, mostly made up the same people that the CIS had formed in opposition of.
It just shows how blindly the people loved Dooku, and I suppose rightfully so, because aside from us, the viewers, and a relatively small group of others, no one knew just how bad he had become under Palpatine and they still thought he was the enlightened guy he was before he became a sith
The one issue here is that the people didn't know the Council existed. That's what a Shadow Government is, it's basically an "Illuminati". To the average CIS citizen, there was only the Senate with Dooku serving as a Military Dictator.
I wonder if it's a subtle reference to the ACW where the five states that listed slavery as a reason for secession out of thirteen were also all run by former Whig party members, former close allies of Abe Lincoln, in direct contradiction to the more common Jeffersonian Democrat ideals of the other seceding states.
@@tau-5794 Interesting idea, but I doubt the CIS are actually based on the IRL CSA that heavily.
Yes, it is possible the lore writers misinterpreted Lucas' vision like they did with the Empire, but I am pretty sure he did write that there are 'heroes on both sides' and the designs for CIS ships were deliberately supposed to be more similar to the Rebel Alliance to show nuance, so I kind of doubt an indisputably negative rebellion like the CSA was intended to be the inspiration for the CIS.
Will there be one like this for the Republic? I know there is one covering the Clone Army, but what about the navy and how the republic would use planetary units? I’d also think that with the bad batch and stuff there would be more to look at in terms of commando units and such.
Perhaps one of the actual reason why the Confederacy would have never won against the Republic because they were decentralized and too loose with its command structure.
What? In most of Legends and simply from the numbers alone the CIS wouldn't have even had to properly fight if it hadn't all been arranged, the Republic didn't even have an army for thousands of years until dear Chancellor Palpatine pulled one out of his ass when the Senate was in full panic mode.
@@semi-useful5178 Yea, but PDFs were still a thing. Plenty of militarized and industrialized planets that would have no issue conscripting, feeding, clothing, training, and equipping troops. Anaxes, Kuat, and corellia are great examples of that. There’s still a fighting chance. Plus, logistics are important. The republic had better logistics regardless of the clone army or not due to its industrial base but also it’s positioning with a defensive war. The CIS needs twice the ammount of raw resources a organic army needs, less settled systems spread over larger areas of space, and fighting a mostly offensive war up until the end, there’s no real way the CIS could have conquered the republic. Fought to a bloody stalemate? Sure. Won their independence? Sure. But I don’t think it would be a trounce. There’s plenty of examples of the much larger opfor loosing because they don’t have the home turf advantage, like the republic would have in its own space. The CIS economy couldn’t keep up a wartime economy like the republic could, they simply don’t have enough biological organisms working jobs to keep the econemy stimulated, keep the CIS army funded and operational, and wage a offensive war on the republic
@@stuglife5514 they would actually have an issue with that. I doubt civvies would clamor fighting against easily replaceable battle droids.
@@stuglife5514billions of droids to a freshly recruited army of who knows how many underequipped and underprepared men isn’t anything. Republic would lose quickly, coruscant would fall within a year, though the republic would probably negotiate a peace deal before that happened
Does this mean most droids could technically be considered like…navy marines? Being that they still served as naval soldiers but for the purpose of land missions.
Storm troopers are marines, I’d imagine naval droids are marines and garrison droids are army, same for clones though I think that (this isn’t canon) garrisons of the republic were made up of local soldiers or republican army troopers who were recruited while clones were mostly a marine force
Thing I said about the clones also likely applies to separatist worlds that aren’t occupied, though TCW (shitty show that it is) almost always portrays the separatists as exclusively using droids and the republic only using clones
Damn, it doesn't matter which side of the Clone Wars you are in. You cannot deny both the separatists and republicans can boast of having certified bombshells with a beautiful facial freckle like Padmé Amidala and Mina Bonteri as peace senators. Both factions had much more in common than they would admit.
Yeah they were both used by a sith lord to gain more power and influence and use both puppet armies to destroy the republic and the separatists and cause chaos and division between them but in the end was all for nothing since palpatine was the true victor of the clone wars not the separatists or the republic
It didn't matter because papa Palpatine was playing both sides
@@davidordaz5251real shit on that
You two nailed it.
26:57 That CIS officer is cute.
Eh. The uniform's nice, but she looks like some grandma or a generic character from a western game nowadays, all ugly and annoying.
As a Separatist patriot, I thank you for this video.
Great video! I never knew half this stuff and its very cool/interesting to see how the CIS worked. Thanks alot, great vid!
It’s clear that the complex nature was done specifically so if Palpatine won through the Republic, it be easier to take down the separatists
I really like this video but I just have one question. What was it like for outsiders to gain major support in the CIS temporarily. Like Cad Bane had from memory two commando droids to help him with the prison break. As well as a munificent and accompanying droid forces.
The position of head of state was basically whatever dooku wanted it to be and gave himself powers whenever he wanted 😁😂🤣
What happened to the separatists planets after the end of the war? Did they fall in line with the empire like the republic planets
Most of them were forced to be reintergrated into the Galactic Empire however some resisted in Separatist Holdouts which either went into hiding or tried to fight back against the Empire directly. However the ones that fought back did not last too long and only made it a max of 5 years after the Clone Wars.
Kudos on not changing your intro's beeps to match the Classic Collection's deeper beeps.
Definitely could use one on GAR/Republic/Jedi Forces
This was a very interesting and helpful analysis. Would you consider doing a political and military analysis of the empire
Another awesome video
Yes longer videos are the best. Screw shorts
It bugs me hearing a clone call attention for a sergeant.
But it was Sargent Slaughter.
@@jeffreycahill3995 Yea but a Sargent is not that much above a private. They aren’t officers, therefore you do not salute them, call attention to them, etc. you only do that for commissioned officers
@@stuglife5514 unless that seargeant had earned some serious respect from those pirvates.
This whole time I assumed the separatists were the bad guys, but all they wanted was independence, and Palpatine played them all, it gives the whole sequel trilogy a darker tone, maybe Anakin was right in the end, from a separatist’s perspective, the Jedi are evil
The Republic and CIS as far as corruption were inverses. On the one hand, the republic has a largely well-meaning military (barring some exceptions) by way of several honorbound clones and the Jedi while it has a corrupt and evil bureaucracy on the political side.
The CIS has a well-meaning and genuine political front by way of the separatist parliament while all of its corruption is in the military by way of violent war crimes and the abuses of the Separatist Council.
For the separatist alliance
The rebel alliance before the rebel alliance
I love longer form videos like this😊
I'd love to see videos like these on the GAR and the imperial military too.
As a Separatist commander, I answer to Grievous, and Grievous alone.
I wonder how the Alliance to restore the republic command structure is like
Want them to do a grievous series or a Vader r rated series
A detailed video of the Rebel Alliance structure pre New Republic era would be cool
If Sev'rance Tann did not die and become the Supreme Commander of the Droids Army instead of General Grievous, how much different will the Clones Wars be?
I guess Dooku or Sidious would have found a way to limit her efficienty or eliminated her if she was too efficient or came to suspect something was up with the war. They had planned for Grievous to become Supreme Commander not only because of his competences but because Grievous' hatred of the Republic and Jedi made him too focused on them to notice the Sith's manipulations, and because he was the perfect figure to terrorize the Republic and Jedi, allowing Palpatine to increase his power as the senate and public became increasingly terrified by Grievous and the Separatist' threat and desperate for their safety and order.
@@mayeuldelaunay4058 Wouldn't she have counter it by conspiring with Ventress and some Separatist military leaders first to launch the military coup against Count Dooku? I'm merely saying that considering how much arrogant she is when she was alive, she would have come to believe that she can take on both Sidious and Dooku for real, especially when they become threats to her.
@@lerneanlion As smart as she was I don't think that she would have had a real chance against the master of conspiracies that is Sidious.
Nor that she would have a big chance at a coup against Dooku.
Doesn’t change that much since the sith plot is still in play
The Battle of Jabiim was ATROCIOUS. I know it would have been hard given the plot, but I really wish they would have included that battle in the Clone Wars show.
Dooku is most powerful I think but I did 0 research, this man does his research and has deep knowledge
Great video
I loved the video, but does anyone know the actual names of the music tracks used, I can't find them anywhere in the channel linked in the description
side from that, this was very well made and detailed, I can appreciate that, though I do disregard all Disney add-ons to this timeline, I do appreciate the effort all the same
Love when the vids are over 30 minutes 😂🔥🔥 need that long form lore
video idea LAAT clone gunship vs HMP Droid Gunship
The whole CW is just Palpatine playing chess with himself.
Glory the Confederacy! Glory Count Dooku!
Roger roger
Yes Republic version please
To keep it simple, Dooku through his words was given full control of the CIS, the Council (the business leaders) had plenty of personal sway since it ws literally their armies fighting the war, I'm pretty certain the COuncil and Dooku pulled enough strings and put out propaganda to make the Senate thing they had a lot of influence. We see this with how ignorant they seemd to be of the literal attricities and evil acts their military officers like Grevious, Ventress, Trench, or Rif Tamsen did.
Neat!
The one with most power in the Separatists is Count Dooku who's a pawn of UNLIMITED POWER, Palpatine.
does the character at 26:56 have a name/source?
So your saying it how we all should govern ourselves in the real world so far is what i am herring. 5:47
“punitive security forces”
That a hell of a name.
Shu Mai was…a character.
Can you do one for the empire too?
Do every faction
The real leader was Roger
Actually the command structure for the war was simple, Sidious commanded both sides.
On a macro level sure, but both organizations still had to be manuveried in manners that went beyond what Sidious could influence on his own.
The answer is Palpatine. Palpatine had the most power in the Confederacy.
Very true in a sense.
30:35 I gotta know where this is from?
The video I always wanted to see without knowing it
At the end of the day, palpatine was really HNIC
24:32 Bro I heard “Italians” first time around
Is durge even still canon anymore?
I'm going to type this before watching the video
Palpatine is a sith lord. His apprentice is Count Dooku
Palpatine has a Sith assasin called Darth Maul
Count Dooku has an assasin called Asajj Ventress
Count Dooku is the leader (Primeminnister?) of the confederacy of independent planets
The banking plan, techno union, trade federation are members of the separatist movement, however they deal with both the separatists and the republic
The leader of the CIS army is General Grievous
There are many Admirals for the CIS army, one is admiral Trench
The CIS uses Droid generals, (Square head and weird mustache thing going on)
Commander droids are marked with yellow
Regular battle droids are the typical foot solider of the CIS
Nute Gunray is the leader of the trade federation
Lock Dood, Is a experimental weapons officer for the Trade federation
Watt Tambor is the leader of the Techno Union
Pretty sure that sums it all up
I’m even more confused about the structure of the inquisitorous
8:38 *gets porg Vietnam flashbacks*
*Insert The Bonnie Blue Flag here.*
It helps that the Separatist flag is blue as well…😂
B1 singing Dixie
@@darthkommandant, and bears a hexagon!
WOW
19:56 Excuse you? Have you even seen the mess that is the GAR command structure?
Compared to it, the CIS's almost makes sense! XD
Well, everyone knows that Sidious had UNLIMITED POWER!!!!
the confusing command structure for a paper tiger
Analyze the Sith Empire
One thing I've never grasped is how separated the CIS was from their army and war. The living beings of many planets had valid grievances but how did they just carry on with their lives not knowing who controls, funds or leads "their" "armies"? Like "hey we don't like the republic" and conveniently the techno Union and trade federation come in and are like okay we'll fund and build a war and battle droids giving command to a murderous rage fueled cyborg and don't worry about how the wars going or what we're doing🤪. ??? They just sat in their comfy planets shielded from war while their battle droids wreaked havoc and terrorized the galaxy? Enslaved and exterminated populations, bled planets of resources and used live shields as a deterrent?
Did B1 battle droids have to actually pull the trigger on their blasters, or did they interface with a microcomputer in the blaster and fire it with their mind?
yes they had pull the trigger which makes their aim even worse for their overloaded circuits.
Kuat waa parof the trade federation and left after eraidu . Not tecno Union
I'd certainly say its accurate for a secessionist government to form things ad-hoc and have no idea what its doing at first
It did know what it was doing, it seek to build a more prosperous government where the people and individual star systems would determine their lives and not a massive bureaucracy of elitist senators from the core.
Short answer:
Palpatine
Indeed
Was the Parliament aware of the Separatist Council?
The CIS Parliament was a powerless body. Dooku lead the confederacy how Sidious wanted him to and prosecuted the war how Sidious wished. There, I cleared it for you.
That is nothing more but Republic and Imperial propaganda, the Separatist Parliament was reduced in scale of influence to prevent a massive bureaucracy from dominating the affairs of the individual star systems seeking to be free to make decisions for themselves. The Confederacy of Independent Systems was cut short by larger agents, though it shall rise again.
*Roger mf Roger*
Republic command structure? Certainly! Just do a side-by-side comparison in the 3rd video & such…
Lol palpatine is both senates
16:48
It's interesting that all the CIS leadership besides the sith is all nonhumans. I wonder what the meaning is there
Unlike the Republic, the Confederacy of Independent Systems is inclusive to all species seeking freedom and independence to forge their own destinies. No xenophobic nonsense.
In the Expanded Universe is more simple. Filoni is the responsible of the mess.
Nonsense. TCW is a bigger mess, but the EU is much more nuanced and complex, and therefore less simple
Question: why did grevious listen to sidious if he wasn't a sith?
Because Grievous was aware of Sidious as the secret leader behind the Separatists and operated to aid his design in wiping the Jedi out. Grievous wasn't really a Separatist and more cared about bringing about the destruction of the Republic and Jedi.