(Dangerous controlling) Bonanza Makes Emergency Landing at LAX and catches fire!
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- čas přidán 24. 08. 2024
- Date: 23-OCT-18
Time: 04:35:00Z
Regis#: N113V
Aircraft Make: BEECH
Aircraft Model: S35
Event Type: INCIDENT
Highest Injury: NONE
Aircraft Missing: No
Operation: 91
City: LOS ANGELES
State: CALIFORNIA
*Beech S35 Bonanza N113V Reports Engine Failure and Lands at LAX, Engine Catches Fire While Taxiing*
*AI-Generated Thumbnail: Not Actual Airplane or Scenario*
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Engine catches fire, gigantic airport right below you, declare emergency. First thing ATC asks "Can you go to a different airport?" Nice work LAX
Engine caught fire after landing actually.. during taxi.. he “ONLY” had an engine failure when he declared emergency.. but yeah ATC was like “pls don’t be my problem go somewhere else” 🙃
Why didn't he say Mayday? Maybe better results if you do?
This is a very common issue that we find very often nowadays isn’t it? Reluctant to say mayday
@@fromtheflightdeck252 It might have helped get the controller to act a little faster, maybe. But there is no requirement or anything to call out mayday. This ATC was just lacking. I mean he clearly heard "Emergency Landing" since he repeated it back. But he still chose to take the time to clear someone to cross the runway before getting back to the emergency pilot.
Pilots choice but Hawthorne runway is blocks away plus all the air turbulence from the commercial liners. Glad he didn’t cause a disaster
For a pilot to have an engine out scenario and a potential fire, ATC made the emergency significantly harder and more stressful than it should have been. There was absolutely zero support for the pilot and glad that he managed to make it out alive. This is happening way to often. Thanks for the video.
"Go to Hawthorne". Atrocious.
Pilots, you need to remember, if you declare an emergency, you TELL the controller what you will be doing and what you need. It is their job to clear the airspace ahead of you. The controller can ask if you can do something but you don’t have to accept it.
Well said
Yup, just like what AA pilots did here czcams.com/video/-sQuHnrJu1I/video.html
Bam!!!!!!
ATC here. Could not agree more. That’s what I would expect. You get it down safely and it’s my job to sort out the rest.
This is an example of EXACTLY what to do if you lose an engine over LAX. Don't go to SMO, don't go to HHR. Take the miles of flat concrete at LAX, not the postage stamp airports just because you're afraid to inconvenience some jets. Well done, Bonanza 13V. He should have had trucks waiting and a tug off the runway or high speed taxiway. To send him to ground and make him catch fire while trying to taxi afterward was ridiculous.
LAX also has Alert-status fire rescue equipment if he needs that kind of assistance.
Worst job I’ve ever seen by a controller in an emergency situation. He should get a call. He was demanding, vectoring, and totally unhelpful.
Yes! So arrogant! Surely not calming or helpful.
You couldn't be more wrong. He was trying to get the guy on the ground ASAP. He never stated what he wanted/needed and flew through final into the path of an aircraft on the parallel.
He was trying to get the guy to the closest airport. When he said he needed LAX he vectors for that. How many emergencies have you had?
@@CrashnDanWTF. Two in the 27 years I’ve been flying. How about you doc? The correct behavior by this controller is to get everyone else out of the way and let him do precisely whatever he wants. Did you even watch the whole video, or just the first 30 seconds? The controller says “I need you to respond to me sir” at one point. He doesn’t need to respond. He needs the controller to clear everything out of the way and be prepared for him to land on any runway. There are multiple examples of him being exceptionally demanding and clearly prioritizing everyone and everything else above the emergency aircraft. Including two landing planes and a plane he (or someone) crossed on the runway in front of the landing emergency plane. If you’re a pilot, suggest some ground time with an instructor for recurrent training.
@EricEsser Two in the last year. Average about 1 a year (medical, mostly).
No. The job is not to put 20 aircraft at risk for 1. A pilots job is to communicate what they need. He did, and immediately the controller began vectors.
The pilot was given instructions that he ACCEPTED, but did follow. That's the issue. Having spoken with controllers in person on several occasions, their are taught that we are able to fly the airplane unless we state otherwise. They assist with the things we need. The pilot didn't specify that he needed all the airspace for the south complex....then the north complex.
I am sure you have heard the old Aviate, Navigate, and Communicate at least once around the airport. He didn't really do any of these things well.
Have you flown in the past 10 years?
Better question: have you flown into a major airport....ever?
When I declare an emergency, I get priority to whatever runway I ask for. While that's going on, all the other runways are accepting arrivals normally.
That tower controller did a horrible job of assisting a pilot with a engine failure and fire !! This dude should be fired !!
Sounds dei to me
The only thing this atc should have said was all aircraft go missed small plane clear to land any runway.... absolutely disgusting atc work
@@execattyWas thinking the same
Not really, the distance he flew was about 5 times further if he had accepted Hawthorn as recommended by ATC.
@@execatty100%
LAX said everything except "Get the fuck out of my airspace! Can't you see we're busy?" What terrible controlling.
Exactly!
After working in air traffic control in The UK for 32 years I cannot believe how badly the tower controller handled that emergency .He had absolutely no idea of the gravity of the situation the pilot was in. Granted this was was an extremely unusual scenario for a controller at a major airport but it is how controllers handle unusual occurrences which defines their ability level.
The PPL in me is completely confused. Why would ATC elect to let two jets land with a bonafide “engine out” emergency trying to land ahead of em?
And all that “verify cleared to land” crap wasn’t helping any. I kind of wish the pilot would’ve replied, “I’m BUSY!” I sure as hell would’ve.
they maintained altitude separation from the emergency aircraft also all three aircraft landed on separate runways obviously
I actually feel for the atc.. he did a good job i thought
Holy shit. You are obviously not a pilot. ATC was awful! Actually the worst I’ve ever heard.
@@Flight_Follower Nope! Engine out means the plane is a glider! It's gonna come down where it comes down. ATC should have stopped all ground movement, sent the jets around and said, "cleared to land any runway". Once the emergency is declared by the Bonanza, he can legally land anywhere (including a taxiway, apron, tarmac, grass, parking lot, etc.) ATC did not do a good job.
Sorry for my ignorance
Totally forgot it was a single engine aircraft.. JUST LIKE THE CONTROLLER DID
@@Flight_Followerhe should have been given any runway to land on
One of the worst ATC performances I’ve seen in a long time. This could have proved fatal for the pilot dealing with an emergency.
I get it, he messed up their system but lives were at risk.
These are the worst controllers in the world! Engine out landing and they want him to taxi under own power? They’re surprised his radio goes out? SOP is to shut off electric. They’ve forgotten all the basics.
Or did they even ever learn the basics?
Yeah maybe he’s trying to bail and not get crispy guys lol
@@markmaki4460 Probably not, ATC don't have to hold a PPL
Lots of stupid commands after a confirmed engine fire and need to get on the ground and out of the airplane immediately. SMH
Lack of imagination 😢
I get it that this is LAX and it's extremely busy, and a GA emergency is incredibly disruptive. However, the Bonanza declared an engine-out emergency and ATC is trying to work him in to the landing jet traffic, on a specific runway. He should have been told "cleared to land any runway", and the two Air Carriers should have been told to go-around. ATC had him flying across the approach path of both carriers which I think was very dangerous.
Yeah and if I’m the Alaska pilot I’m saying I’m going around and asking for a vector because I don’t want a traffic conflict short final with a deadstick GA guy
Flew a C5 mission through LAX long ago. We were obviously not familiar with the airfield ground gave us complicated taxi instructions but got stepped on mid way through so we didnt get part of it. We asked him to repeat and all he would say was "does it sound like I have time to repeat myself". Classy controllers at LAX.
They CROSSED a jet in front of the emergency aircraft landing in 24L. Seriously that controller should lose his job.
I expected the outcome would be the Bonanza on it's roof in the grass. Here in RDUland where two jets just landed on the paralells, and 30 seconds later a GA landed on the crosswind and got tossed back into the air. RDU renamed for a nearby town Wake Forest.💋 PS UNC's plane.🏀
the altitude separation was enough.
@@airbus_3209huh? At ~4:10 they issued cross instructions to cross 24L to a plane that had just landed on 24R apparently at the very moment the emergency aircraft was landing 24L. Literally 7 seconds later they were issuing instructions to the emergency aircraft about which taxiway to exit, so he was on the runway. Yes, of course he was at the approach end far away from crossing traffic, but it sure seems like bad form to cross a plane in front of an emergency aircraft that’s just touching down. I don’t know what you mean by altitude separation.
@@EricEsser I apologize; I thought you were regarding the south traffic... Indeed, the arriving traffic on 24R should've gotten instructions to hold short of 24L and or proceed to cross on Z or Y for separational distance. I agree with your point that options could've been handled differently. This is abnormal for LAX
@@airbus_3209 I see you don't understand wake turbulence.
What a fucking horrible Tower Controller! I would telling him I am landing get people out of my way.
Emergencies are scary for pilots and controllers in different ways , as a controller, I have to say that was awful! This happens way too much. ATC did nothing by the book regarding emergency procedures! Just plain TERRIBLE. This controller is very lucky the pilot made it to the airport.
When I did ground to air comms in the RAF I understood ANY aircraft in distress was to take priority over all other aircraft, regardless of size or POB and could choose any action they saw fit. These controllers appeared to just want the distress aircraft to be out the way, so they could land the larger jets as if everything was normal. Shocking.
What happened to “ cleared any runway , say souls on board and intentions when able” then clear the Emer acft path? What a maroon of a controller!
That pilot did great!
Gliding with the engine on fire, ATC wants him to avoid landing aircraft, and give him a specific runway to land on? That is the mostest wrongest way to handle an emergency. All traffic should've been put in a holding pattern so the Bonanza could have its choice of landing spot.
He was Gliding yeah but the engine caught fire during taxi
@@Flight_Follower ATC still dropped the ball by not clearing the airways for him to land on any runway.
@@Flight_FollowerI bet you have never been in an aircraft with an oil fire up front. His cockpit was smoked out fire or not. He probably did not have time to pull the fresh air/fire cutoff in time to not get smoked out. Think air show smoke coming from engine compartment.
@@Flight_Follower, let me correct what you said: The fire became visible outside the aircraft while he was taxiing.
@@Flight_Follower Did the idiot not secure the dead engine and left fuel running to it? Wouldn't be surprised considering his inane waffling when advising of the engine out to start with.
WOW--declaring emergency and seems like tower is doing him a favor allwoig him to land at LAX!!! fired is the understatment of the year!!!
Hey tower I know you’re a busy bravo but this is still a life at risk. Tell that landing traffic to go around and give the dead stick, engine smoking pilot any runway he can land on to not die. Worth the delay. If you’re giving a caution wake turbulence to a dead stick emergency, there’s a clue. And a clue why he’s not following your pilot car or responding. And most importantly, if someone calls in with an emergency, you don’t clear an aircraft on the ground to do anything before responding to them. Lots more training needed.
LAX had some of the best controllers in the country. What the hell happened? That controller is an idiot.
We all know the answer to that, and so do the YT censors...
Well said! Lots of people will DIE due to this syndrome
DEI hires thanks to Sleepy Joe
Thanks Sleepy Joe!
DEI happened
Pilot should have told the controller he has a number for him to call.
not sure what the controller could've done differently.
LAX unable, standby. Then do whatever you need. They can move everyone else.
True
And give me every runway now
I just declared and emergency----In an in-flight emergency requiring immediate action, the pilot in command may deviate from any rule of this part to the extent required to meet that emergency." Speed restrictions? Gone. Airspace procedures? Gone. IFR clearance limits? Gone.
WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG with this idiot controller. He acts imperious and has his priorities all F'd up. He needs to be fired regardless of DEI or whatever. Are they doing contract hires like KLGB or was this an FAA employee? Actually, it sounded like an uncoordinated comical zoo after B- 113v landed.
I guess the little plane does not pay the bills at LAX and gets treated as homeless.....
That was utterly chaotic, The Controller was less than useless. He provided nothing but confusion to that Pilot in the Bonanza. God help LAX if he's ever on duty and they get a major crash.
ATC: "you're closer to Hawthorne do you want to go there?"
Translation: "I don't want to have to deal with you, can you go anywhere but here?"
this ATC is part of the classic kind of people that do the job like a robot without any capacity of interpretation of the situation or deviation from the ordinary routine
this people should absolutely NOT be atc or pilots just an office suits them best
Atc didn't cover itself with glory this time.... Go away, no? you see 25L? Yes. Well, you can't land there! dodge airliners, wake turbulence.....
The controller should be immediately suspended. This was totally unacceptable! This pilot had the right to all of the air space. These controllers could have easily had blood on their hands. Ever heard of and demanded a single frequency operation. 20,000 hour retired airline captain here. I have flown into LAX hundreds of times… what a disgrace!!! Worse case if handled properly a couple of diversions to Ontario.
Can't talk right now guys, I'm on fire...
Not on fire until he landed.
In an emergency you do NOT have to respond to ATC clearances unless it's safe to do so. Aviate, navigate, communicate. Declare your emergency, tell tower which runway you're landing on, then manage your aircraft. This controller should've had each aircraft on final do a go-around and conducted a ground stop on everyone still on taxi ways until the emergency is resolved.
AND rolled the trucks
This was a 💩show that didn’t need to happen. Pilot didn’t expressly announce a Mayday, but the words, “I’m on fire and I’m landing” are good replacements. It sounds like this particular ATC voice didn’t really want to be bothered with a flaming Bo,,but that’s not his choice. It is, however, his JOB! ATC could have/probably should have told all traffic inside the OM to go around until they got this guy safely on the ground and out of the way. Instead, he tells him to taxi thereby making sure that oil gets dropped everywhere AND the resultant fire probably killed that airplane once and for all.
Send Mr Controller guy back to Chino Airport for remedial training and recertification. If he can manage to coordinate traffic there without killing anyone, maybe he can control the Ground Ops trucks back at LAX.
That’s what you get in a demorat State where DEI rather than qualifications determine if you get the job
caution wake turbulence!!! Are you kidding me? What's he supposed to do with no engine? Holy Crap!
did I misunderstand or did he assign him every runway on the ground?
Pathetic ATC work.
He sure did a fantastic job landing those traffics on finals 🙃
You declare an emergency and state intentions. If you have time for further comms, then that is a courtesy. This controller should be canned immediately
Imagine giving this as a hypothetical emergency scenario in an interview. Alarm bells would be ringing for me as soon as the interviewee states that they aren’t sending the jets around. As in, I would be questioning whether this ATC layman has the right brain for this job before they’ve reached the college, and here we are in a real life scenario.
Well he didnt use the magic words MAYDAY 3x. ATC never asked for SOB and fuel state.. crazy stuff!
nor did they ask souls on board...
Agree u need to say mayday , mayday, mayday
He used the E word. That's all that's needed.
@@briansmyla8696 100% but it's like looking both ways even when you ARE in a crosswalk... Say "mayday", it can only help.
Too many comments suggesting the pilot should have called mayday x3 but, let's see... I'm over a heavily populated area... my engine has shut down and is on fire so that big fan out front is not going to help, smoke may be coming into the cockpit and I'm aware the engine mount could be heat compromised so if the engine departs the aircraft I'm dead from a radical CG shift or maybe an explosion. Perhaps I'm a little rattled and I didn't want to chat so instead of mayday and a conversation regarding the emergency I'll just tell the moron in the tower the situation and assume he'll do whatever he has to so I can stay alive if I even make it to the airport. Also, I think I'd much rather land dead stick with abundant runway and say, maybe... fire services. They call it PIC (Pilot in Command) for a reason and in that kind of situation you tell them what you need and your intentions and then FLY THE DAMN AIRPLANE. I'm 4800 commercial and NOTHING scares the hell out of a pilot more than FIRE. You don't have time to chit chat or switch radio frequencies and have the conversation all over again with a different tower. ALL controllers should be pilots so they might have a better understanding of situation like this... it's not a video game... it's life and death.
Tower controller needs to be pulled offline and retrained. What an utter fool. I would have told him to shut the hell up. Emergency aircraft, move everybody.
Aircraft declares an emergency and this is the response?! Heads need to roll here! Absolutely unacceptable! An aircraft in distress has the right of way OVER EVERY OTHER AIRCRAFT! FAA needs to look into this!😢
Appalling ATC
Thanks for embarrassing the rest of us, local controller. Jesus, send this dude to FSS in Alaska
🙌
@@robeeenz If they sent that guy to Alaska... the pilots up there would take him out to play with the Grizzly Bears and leave him.
And I wouldn't blame them.
I'm absolutely certain that the checklist for an engine fire in a Bananza ends with getting the hell out and as far from the aircraft as possible as soon as you can get the last piece to stop moving, not answering damnd fool questions on the radio and taxiing half way around a large airport behind a "follow me".
I'm equally sure that SOPs at any airport with a valid FAA operating certificate call for ARFF to be rolled to any fire within the airport boundary, and for that to take absolute priority over anything non-emergency related that is happening anywhere at the airport, and absolutely not to have the aircraft taxi around behind a "follow-me" once it has safely stopped.
Did none of the people on the ground hear him say his engine was out? Why did they not have someone to get him off the runway rather than keep asking him why he wasn’t moving?
Like if you think Bonanza guy is running for his life before the tanks go??????
The controllers seem to think a small Bonanza with an engine out emergency doesn't warrant keeping other traffic away
Let this be a lesson to all of you pilots. Don't go bringing your smoking, burning aircraft here. We got no time for that.
He wasn’t on fire until he landed and he flew past 2 very long runways that he could have easily landed on. Just to get it straight I have taken a GA aircraft into LAX. It ain’t easy but can be done.
After all that I am sure a lot of people are asking, 'dang why didn't the guy just cruise into Hawthorne?" Oh well.
LAX controllers have major attitude. Used to fly a Caravan in their in the late 80's.
yes, but with that controller work load I cant blame them for sounding like that at times.
That chart is also very old. Echo is correct but Romeo is at the end of echo on the approach side of 24L labeled as victor on this chart.
Thanks for pointing that out
Apologies for the mistake
Any emergency aircraft takes priority over all other aircraft.
Agreed that controller should be fired All those jets had functional engines N Fing way I’m passing a good runway for one farther away Emergency Unable Move all the other traffic
That's some confusing graphics, let alone the ATC audio. 🤔 Was Cessna 6227 crossing 24L directly below N113V at the start of the video??? 🤔🤔
With an incoming emergency, "dead stick" to put other aircraft on the parallel runway puts those aircraft in danger. Maybe they didn't have to, or couldn't stop everything and give him "clear to land, any runway" but they couldn't have accommodated him better that.
Newer controller following his training? Altitude was 3,300 feet…the runway at Hawthorne is just over 2 linear miles from 25L (one long runway length away) If the pilot was already flying southbound perhaps he was trying to help the pilot with a closer option that could help everyone simultaneously?
Lucky controller. If anybody had got hurt he’d be in court for the next ten years explaining why he did what he did.
Very interesting this one.
Highlights USA vs elsewhere with “Mayday” vs “Emergency” same thing?
Highlights “engine failure” vs “power loss gliding now.”
Highlights ATC lack of understanding what engine failure actually means.
ATC lack of understanding the stress the average possibly private pilot (no matter how much experience) WILL be under.
Dont they teach ATC something like this?…….
ATC “copied emergency power out gliding cleared to land any runway let me know as you go you will be fine just fly the aircraft”
Then work the other traffic.
Then
Holy crap...
This ATC performance was WAY below standard.
"Do you need any further assistance?" I'm certainly not going to provide it, or anything, but I'm obligated to ask.
The pilot did a great job, the controller not so much. What I don’t understand is why they expected an aircraft with a possible engine fire to taxi. Roll off the runway if you can but follow the memory items ie shut down get out pronto.
Horrible tower controller
Controller gets an F and should get a number to call. The pilot wasn't that sharp, either.
I think the pilot may have been a little stressed ... only engine failing, likely smoke in cabin, dodging airliners, and absolutely unhelpful controller.
This controller needs to be fired
Give these controllers in trianing a break.
He clearly has no sense of urgency for a light aircraft.
13V Cleared to land ANYWHERE and ALL LAX TRAFFIC LANDING CLEARANCE CANCELLED..GO AROUND... What the heck were these controllers doing mixing the emergency aircraft and normal traffic.... Time for some remedial training.
Typical LAX… perhaps it’s the slower pace of my local ATC (MFR) that allows them to be better understanding. Sheesh.
The FAA must be scraping the bottom of the barrel for controllers.
Roger 13Victor, advise when you have airport perimeter road in sight. If radio is still on advise if you require further assistance. Good night.
Sure different than any emergency handling I have heard
Yeah ATC was busy adjusting the traffic on finals for landing.. didn’t ask SOB or fuel onboard
As a ppl, the was a joke of a atc operation. Did they even roll the trucks??
If the engine was out completely I don't think it was stated clear enough, the controller seemed to continue as he had normal flying capability. Maybe ATC thought he was dual engine as they are used to see all day. Nice of the jets to not flip him off the taxiway, that would have been an eventful day..
What part of engine failure did he not understand?
That’s not a Bonanza in the clipart.
What is it with American pilot's and their incessant aversion to saying *MAYDAY MAYDAY MAYDAY* ? That whole pathetic "conversation" about his emergency could have been avoided by saying those *three* important attention getting words.
Don't now that airspace but if he was closer to Hawthorn then why continue on the LAX? Curiosity question and not related to the pilot's aversion to saying MAYDAY x 3.
So he's trying to see past an engine fire right in front of him, has identified a set of enormous parallel runways beneath him that he only needs to get down to and line up on in order to save his life, and you want to give him a diversion?
In an emergency you exercise captain's authority and get to choose where the crash is going to happen - or, hopefully, the forced landing.
I agree about the ridiculous aversion of US pilots to that simple and universal Mayday call - which also gives him instant priority handling on any damn runway, taxiway, or other flat surfaces adequate for the rollout he damned well pleases, and with no further communication other than (if he can work out which bit of the airport he's aiming at through the smoke of an engine fire) his intentions. It should have been go-arounds for all and a full airport-wide ground stop until he was safely down, stopped and with ARFF in attendance.
@@phillee2814 *Ah no!* Listen to the call and read the comments. The fire didn't occur until *AFTER* he was on terra firma. If you are confused sitting in your chair watching and read this imagine how the controller was in a real busy tower.
@@braveworld2707 The controller didn't have a title mentioning fire to give them the idea before even starting, but for even an engine failure, the pilot has the final word in an emergency and wasting time trying to get into somewhere you haven't even seen yet is stupidity of the highest order. The most a controller should ever do is offer options, but when a pilot states their intentions in an emergency and that intention is easily attainable, then the controller's job is to make a gap.
I was going to ask if your thumbnail was an actual photo, but I see now in your description it is not. Not a fan of that but guess it gets the attention.
Sorry we didn’t find the actual photo of this incident so had to fall back to AI to somewhat project what happened
We usually do not do this
Yet another SEP causing absolute chaos at a major airport in the U.S. it's only a matter of time before you guys have another Cerritos/North Park event.
I’m sorry folks, but this guy flew past 2 very long runways and away from KHHR that has a fire department right next to the runway. I learned to fly in the LA basin and flew there for almost 30 years. It looks like he came through the special flight rules area at 3500 feet which should have been plenty of altitude to safely make Hawthorne or either of the south complex LAX runways. Glad the guy made it but in my mind he stayed in the air longer than necessary.
WTF happened to any runway available?
haha... I wonder if they still changed him the $100 landing fee.
If it were only $100
Try $1,000!
Undoubtedly one of the worst pieces of ATC I have ever seen/heard in 50 years.
I recall about 10 years ago, it was mentioned in the news the FAA would be doing equity hires for new controllers.
Funny, this guy certainly sounds like a white, male American to me. Gee, maybe that’s the problem.
@@davidbeattie1366 Doesn't matter or depend on the color of skin, gender or nationality, it's qualification that matters. In this job, its dangerous to base selection on gender or race or other surface differences, the only responsible thing to do is select new hires based on qualification. The administration in Washington at this time decided to politicize hiring and ignore the safety of the flying public. I said nothing about race, nationality or gender in my comment. I'm sorry you saw it that way or if your comments reflects this view. Please try to not base everything on superficial things. Look at content of character and "if you are qualified" especially in jobs that peoples lives depend on. Equity hires, by definition, ignores who is qualified and selects based on skin color, gender or nationality.
They could’ve totally landed at HHR. By the time they landed on 24L they could’ve been inside the FBO at HHR
Question for you: You're at 3500 ft and your only engine quits for some unknown reason, so you only get one landing attempt. On a good day, you need at least 2500 feet of runway to land. Your two best options are an airport with a single 4800' x 100' runway or an airport with 4 runways 150' wide, ranging from 9000 to 13000 ' long and literally miles of flat, usable tarmac in between. Given the stress of the situation, which airport do you choose?
@@garrettswoodworx1873 I don’t think you understand how close Hawthorne is to LAX. If the winds are right, you could spit from Hawthorne and hit LAX. Especially when you’re on the downwind for 25L you’re basically on a final for 07 at HHR.
@@TomCook1993 I spent the first 50 years of my life in SoCal, learned to fly out of Long Beach back when the VFR corridor over LAX did not require ATC contact and I'm very familiar with HHR's proximity to LAX. I understand your point too, but from the pilot's perspective he can aim for the middle of any of those runways at LAX and not have to worry about undershooting or overshooting in what is in reality a very poorly configured glider and there's a certain comfort in that. We also don't know exactly where he was when the engine quit. It's entirely possible he simply fixated on what was ahead of him and it's hard to fault that. As you certainly know: once you've selected an emergency landing site, changing without a really good reason invites disaster.
Sounded like a cluster phrack.
One of the absolute worst controllers I've heard handle an emergency. He was little help to the pilot.
From the point the video started he was actually closer to Hawthorne Airport than 24L. But I am not a pilot and the man couldn't miss LAX visually, but Hawthorne might be harder to see. Although a bit easier since Space X has a Falcon9 rocket as a landmark that is hard to miss. Seems like it would have been a lot safer to go to Hawthorne.
That said the controller should have helped way more than he did. Glad no one was hurt.
Hawthorne has a single 4800 foot runway. LAX has four giant runways up to 13,000. Which would you rather aim for deadstick with a smoking engine
The Bonanza was a 3800 feet altitude when he declared his emergency... It is also likely he had a better set of "angles" to dead stick to LAX. An airport directly below you isn't necessarily that easy to dead stick to especially with a shorter runway
That pilot made the absolute right decision. Hawthorne is too short for a dead stick landing when you have LAX right there.
So he's overhead LAX and the controller tries to send him to Hawthorne? What The Absolute Fuck? Are you trying to kill him?
Did the pilot ever actually call Mayday? That might have helped get the seriousness across to ATC more forcefully.
Yup agree. Just said same thing
He declared an emergency... that's sufficient.
Soon as a controller hears 'emergency' out of a pilot's mouth... that's that... At the MOST you might call back and confirm that they're declaring an emergency... and when that comes back "Affirmative"... that aircraft becomes your number one priority and your job is to get everyone the hell out of that aircraft's way, and give that aircraft every assistance you can to get them down safely.
The controller not a great job
What a terrible job of this controller !!!
Controller: sitting on his fat *ss in a chair on the ground. Pilot: trying his best not to die in the next few minutes. The law used to say the PIC wins. These days? Who knows.
Pilot declared mayday??
That was a terrible terrible AT Controller. Fire him.
Absolutely appalling assistance for an aircraft experiencing an emergency but the pilot did not call Mayday Mayday or Pan Pan. The controller should be fired, likely never hired in the first place, and the whole incident needs to be reviewed by the @FAA and @NTSB. What are your thoughts @blancolirio ?
i am an expert on CZcams videos and I would have to say, i can't go for that, no can do
Horrible assistance.
He just didn't get it.