Micro Hydro Startup 2023
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- čas přidán 28. 05. 2024
- After letting the hydro system sit dormant all winter its time to get it up and running. This micro hydro turbine uses 150 feet of head pressure down 1100 feet of 2" pipe. The pressure at the PMA is around 65psi. Depending on the amount of water going to the system there is 100w to 500w of power being made. This power feeds two grid tie limiter inverters at my house to reduce the power bill to the grid.
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get a label maker & add some info to your electrical. great setup!
@3:39 As I have told others, you don't need to lose any head at the drum near the water intake. You need to fit an air stand. The air stand is a vertical pipe that goes straight up from the drum, it has an open top end. The top end needs to be as high as the water intake filter. Of course, you will need to seal up the overflow and all other fittings will need to be watertight. All the air from the turbulent water rises up out the top of the air stand.
This will keep air out of the penstock while allowing you to utilize all of the head available at the site.
Seth,
Maybe install a "winter bypass"? To help you startup in the spring snd to flush all the debris/snail shells out of the line?
I can envision a Y or a T just above your shutoff, and a smaller shutoff to divert the sludge on your first startup of the season perhaps before your pressure gauge or just after.
I do have a 3/4" ball valve right before the pma. I could connect a short hose there to help flush debris. Perhaps a future video.
GOOD MORNING SETH. Good to see you. Have a great inventive summer.
Good morning. Thank you. It's a summer of studio/shop building!
Best think 😇 good job super 👍👏👏👏👏👏 keep it up 🎉🎊
Compound high pressure rams to drive this would be wild 🧑🔬
very nice. !
Woohoo! Happy to see micro hydro back and running. I get a sense of fulfilment in life when I think about and practice energy generation especially hydro.❤
Hydro is a special animal. I should be filming a new install soon. The homeowner is about ready to make the final connections.
Thanks for sharing your system setup. I have been considering using a 2 inch poly pipe but all the other videos I have seen use 4 inch pipe. It is much easier to use poly pipe and 2 inch is the largest I van find. I don't know how much fall I will have but will try to use the GPS on my phone to find out. I would like to figure out a simpler electrical setup since all that gear you have must have cost a pretty penny.
Might want to clean and lube that rotor bearing, I believe that's why you have to give it a push to get it going. It's on the yearly maintenance schedule for that model. Looking good though!
Happy to see your Micro-Hydro up and running again. Your Unistrut braces for the barb connectors would be an easy place to attach a rebar anchor to minimize how much the penstock slides downhill each year. You might also consider adding 10-20ft extra penstock at the top, and a flat 'S' curve on the ground near the barrel, that would take up the slack of winter contraction of the plastic pipe.
Great idea on the rebar. I will need to buy a couple sticks of that and install in the fall. Placing that on the wooden structure at the top would help too!
Very good information ❤
Great Job Seth! Nice to see the MH up and working!
Very good! This theme is my favorite in your channel. Here in Brazil, there are many microturbines. Thank you for the content; it's always a learning experience.
nice i would really like to build mine like that sometime
Great Job Seth! Nice to see the MH up and working! It's all coming together!
There may be some bearings in that unit you can replace to make it run smoother.
nice video! I think you might want to do some maintenance on the turbine every year or two.
Very true! It was not locked up but did have some resistance at first.
Isn't there a greasenipple on this thing, to squeeze some grease into the bearing???
@TerrorTubbie666 I know the old one had a grease zert. I need to look closer on this one.
The wires coming out of the PVC LB should have a dripping loop which goes lower than the opening so that water doesn't enter the LB and fill the conduit underneath.
if you want to stop that shrink problem with pipe by using an abs expansion joint used in plumbing. its a telescopic fitting sealed with o rings
If you don't wnat to break the handles on PVC ball valves, make a tool that turns BOTH handles from a piece of PVC that will fit over the top of the valve you want to turn. Make it about a foot or two long and cross drill it at the top so a piece of rebar or EMT conduit will fit making a handle that will give you better leverage than the PVC handles. Cheap as they are you can make one for every location you have a PVC ball valve. Also next time you clean out a a nozzle, be sure and flush the supply line!!! Otherwise it will just clog up again. Hopefully you took the other comments to heart and replaced the bearings in that turbine.
As for your water exit problem, you need to open up the bottom of the box and let the water get away from the wheel. I haven't seen any other turbines that are set up to contain all the water and try to force it into a drain pipe right at the turbine wheel. Give it a foot or so and then try to pipe it off.
Great video Seth, I'm over in North Wales (UK) living in the snowdonia nationial park, I've been a absorbing your content for a while, slowly specing out my own attempt. This was a great video that really showed what I could be looking at with the head pressure and flow rate we have available to us here.
Joey, I was in Corwynn back in the early 80's. Stayed at the Owain Gwyndlar hotel, which at the time was run by an absolute gentleman by the name of Corrie Williams. I'll guarantee I've misspelled all the names except Mr. Williams', so I hope you'll forgive me for that. A buddy and I had come up from the American air base in Suffolk to fish, but owing to some bad info from the base Rod and Gun Club, we missed the trout season by a week. We stayed for a couple of days in spite of that, and had a wonderful time. We hitchhiked up to Bala Lake and camped over night. What a beautiful place. Mr. Williams treated us like family when we returned. Here in my home state of North Carolina, you'll find a lot of Welsh names like Morgan , Davis, and Jones, mostly concentrated in the mountainous western end of the state where I am from. I often wonder if perhaps the immigrants from North Wales pushed inland, found our mountains reminded them of home, and just settled there. All speculation of course, but you never know. I'll never forget my trip to North Wales and the hospitality we were shown. All the best to you and yours, sir.
Ratchet straps to hold pipe from settling down hill. Tree handy
Great
Thank you.
Seems like you should have more watts. Ive considered trying a semi truck alternator as they run at lower rpms than car alternators.
Sounds like bearing are getting dry, may be time for some new ones.
It does sound that way! I Need to talk to Langstons and see about greasing those.
I keep getting black beetles, larvae, and leeches in mine
Wow so many fun things.
Nice setup! Will any mppt solar charge controller work for this application as long as the input voltage matches what its rated? I’m looking at Victron Energy systems
100 watts adds up when it's 24 hours a day.
Im concerned of the voltage drop to yr home.250 feet.u may need much heavier cable.Check voltage and current at each end of the cable.V good skills.Larry Mercer. Electrician. NEW ZEALAND.
Try Neoprene as a water seal gasket!
Is that all DC from the Hydro to your charge station?
Or AC then rectifier?
That might make a good seal!
This is 3 phase ac from the pma to the house. Then rectifier.
@@LandtoHouse Perfekt, tack
gg my dude !
Thank you.
Is fire hose viable to utilize instead of poly pipe ?
one gnat it the eye in a day is healthy lol
diy is meant to be super cheap, not high dollar
diy life off-grid is very much free
gravity plumping sewage power lol
snail wins over economy hare always
sewage system better not glogg with snails, have it work with wide diameter systems, less maintenance woes
Okay, so now we take these and install them on all city water shut offs to homes and buildings and would that not generate power for the building?
What kind of temperature can those handle im looking for something that could deal with around 250 degrees
Are you thinking aboit adding either another line all together, or at least have another manifold and 55 gal drum set up at the top to feed the current line?
I could benefit from a larger pipe or a 4th 1-1/4" pipe but for now my water flow is so low this 3 pipe setup is working well.
@@LandtoHouse Gotcha. I guess like anything else, you have to weigh the cost of the entire project with the total output. You know, the cost/benefit analysis.
I know the round about cost of everything up to the "turbine generator", and I also do not know how much each one of those produces. But we all know that every little amp helps.
I have a question, since Tesla turbines produce the most torque at lower pressure could you used one for something like this and get a better output?
Self cleaning yeh clean it yourself 😜😁😁😁
HAHA I mean it went all fall without catching a leaf. Not bad. My old screen would be blocked in a day.
@@LandtoHouse wish I had a backyard with a stream I'd be doin the same ting 😄
You need to use some unscented Aqua Net Hairspray. Lol I realize how that sounds but I bet you'll have little to no problem with that pipe coming off. It doesn't take much just a little spray on the fitting let it sit for 30 seconds put the clamp pipe back together and it'll be glued. But it's still comes apart if you loosen the clamp.
I tried the same in Germany, but I didn‘t get a permission for water usage…are all the installations on your privat property? Because here, such installations in public areas need a permission which is very expensive and you wait for some months or years to get it…
Based in japan and thinking of something like this in our area, we have a lot of tiny rivers that run down the mountain, any advice?
how much cost for the battery,inverter,ang midnite and other devices do you used it?thank you
Why doess the turbine gain speed significantly when its lid is closed? Thanks.
Because the alternator cooling fan airflow is unblocked with the lid open, adding load on the turbine.
May i know the RPM for that turbine? Is the Open Voltage produce about 180v? When MPPT start to work, its drop to 80v right ?
what rpm can it run at?
Do you know what your real world voltage drop is with 50-100 VDC over 250 feet? Between the turbine and the house?
For only 25k you can get yourself one and it will pay for itself! In about 18 years! If it doesn't break before then!
Alternative power stuff is expensive. I have a cost breakdown video on this system. (shows the difference in real cost vs free youtube items too)
Why have you not incorporated an expansion loop to inhibit the issue of the poly pipe pulling out? Simple fix.
My thoughts exactly. A simple, coiled loop of the pipe, lying flat. Problem solved.
How large a ram pump would you need to run this is if the ram pump and the turbine where at the same level?
To supply 30gpm you would need a ram pump at least 2 feet wide. It's actually better to let the water flow into a turbine without a ram pump.
@@LandtoHouse I was just curious if you could make your own head if you didn't have any.
Hey Seth, I'm thinking about purchasing a ram pump. Im going to run a siphon over my dam for my pond and have it fill a bucket that will have more pipe come out the bottom (just about 9 feet of drop) to feed the pump, I will run it back up the dam and feed a barrel like the kne in this video. Do you think it will work if not i would like some tips please and thank you.
Hello. If you are siphoning water out I would make sure there is plenty of water going into the pond from the source. Siphoning can pull lots of water out. Once you know the pond will stay full you should be good to go. It is wise to siphon to a bucket then use pipe from the bucket. This results in a stronger pressure wave.
@@LandtoHousealso to help the pond out I will have and over flow pipe go into an overflow pipe, luckily it is only used when the main is clogged. Any idea how to conserve some of the water coming out the waste valve?
The waste valve is pretty much gonna use a consistent amount of water period you can tilt the valve so that the pump closes with less pressure and that will use less water. But not much can be done to reduce the waste water output.
did you do any mathematical calculations before system installation? if yes, can you show me?
I just did the basic calculation
(Head in feet X Gallons per minute) / 10 = power
Math?
Pipe up more than 0° this way ^ then water goes down that way v + more up = more better power
@@st.odinson I mean how much exactly power made up from water so you can choose or design the turbine and generator with maximum efficiencies
what do you call that motor?
Muy práctico pero todo lo q dice no entiendo , me gustaría q hablará español. Gracias
How much does a complete system as yours cost to set up. Ish
I made a cost breakdown on the system both my cost and a non youtuber cost
czcams.com/video/L16s6aUJ0ns/video.html
I was talking with my pump guy and I was considering using a generator to power the well when whenever we had a black out, I asked about 120v pumps, he said all he would have to was to run heavier wire to the pump to make it work.
5:32 wetland filter
or wisy vortex filter
Total $ in materials for half a kw must be insane
400watts x 24 hours ~ 10kwh per day
Way cheaper than connecting to grid in semi remote areas, let alone no-grid areas.
Friend of mine was quoted $60K to connect to grid in 1982. They went off grid for about $5K then (mixed solar and mini-hydro, with a marine wind turbine (one of the ones you see on 30-50” yachts).
They have been saving a couple of grand every year since then, let alone the $55 THOUSAND dollars (or so) they saved up front.
The only upgrades have been new batteries and inverter in the early 90s and new batteries again about 5years ago.
@@shawnd567 Do you have a degree in mathematics? That is an incredible bit of estimation you did there, Professor!
Any project to make sure you collect all the water possible at the intake like a dam? :)
On this hydro unit the water is all making it into the coanda.
Why don't you use agricultural compression fittings they will handle all of your pressure plus the do not pull apart I used those type that you use and never had much success with them like yours they usually pull of or split
That bearing sounds bad…
Parts list?
I installed this around 3 years ago. I have a video that walks through each component but no list of each part.
@@LandtoHouse thank you I appreciate it
My dad has found snakes in his
They will seek the cool water when it gets hot.
It seems like if it wants to sit down 6 inches youd be better off just adding more pipe because it will want to pull back down
Last year it sank down 3 feet! I am much happier with only 6 inches this year.
This seems like a pretty fragile system.
Land to House Wow, it seems that you are mechanically challenged. It is amazing how amateurish your set up is. I thing you are going to have lots of reliability issues.
Hope you can learn fast.
Awful lotta effort for something so stupid.
Simply pay your monthly light bill . Problem solved ! 😎
Hi Seth, would it be possible for you to send me your email address so I can directly communicate with you. I'm very interested in such a project.
Thank you.
We have a river running under our property and a old wheel pit the river drop's around 8m on our property it enters from a tunnel is open for around 100m and then enters a tunnel around 100m long under our buildings and then opens up again into the wheel pit if you put this into Google maps and satellite images you can see what I mean 53.694212,-2.206509