In The Field With Wayne May: Who were the Hopewell Mound Builders?
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In this episode Hayden travels to Ohio with Wayne May to explore the vast mounds of the Hopewell mound builders? Could this have been The Book of Mormon people? We'll let you be the judge.
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Homeschool mom here! “Why isn’t this something that’s taught in every American public school?” Time to bring your kids home and start teaching them truth. 👊🏻
Nothing is buried more deeply in a museum than artifacts they don't want to discuss
It is in Ohio. It's kinda hard to ignore here, there are artifacts everywhere from this culture. The creek beds are full of stone arrowheads, pipe heads, etc. Serpent mound is not far away. The Wright brothers lived in the area for a long time before moving to NC for their flight tests. And the area was host to project Bluebook, the UFO military investigation group. Etc, etc, etc.
There is a lot more going on in Ohio then most people realize.
Cassie, I love your blog! I smiled so big to see you commenting here. Fellow homeschool mom as well.
There's a possibility that this is a location of ancient Book of Mormon times, but as modern prophets have continually said again and again, we do not know exactly where those times and places were. It's okay to speculate, but we should not be saying these things are truth, unless they're inspired truth given by the leadership of the church.
Clearly the Book of Mormon peoples existed somewhere in the new world, and we will eventually know where. I'm not saying it isn't ok to think about these things. As time goes by, we will learn more and more.
Everyone should look at or read about many of the earthworks and artifacts depicted in "Ancient Monuments of the Mississippi Valley." It was published in 1848 by Squire and Davis.
You have all my favorites as guests!!! Wayne May and Mike Day!!!
This is so cool! I learned about this about 20 years ago! It's fantastic to see that you are investigating it! Love Wayne May!
Us too Betty!
We have more episodes to come - stayed tuned. Thanks for commenting!
I read all the books on this. I am certain it happened here in America.
Better be careful , read carefully Jacob 5 and you think twice about a claim like that. I can go,along with the hopewell, but the Mayan had control over the southern gulf regions too.. Miami was a Mayan chief as was the Seminole’s
@@tomasneel1980 Honestly I think there was some lamenites in that area too! I think it was both.
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Hi , there are those that think the Jaredits built the mounds as protection as well . Wayne May has a lot of Videos on this as well as were the Nephits landed near Florida or the gulf of Mexico near the Mississippi river . I go along with this idea my self .
Actually, some of us think that they went up the Apalachicola river now which turns into the Chattahoochee river, and goes all the way up into the mountains in the south east Appalachian area. This would’ve given them a great way to get into the mountains and also head up into the heartland of Kentucky, and Tennessee Where they could’ve picked up other rivers and headed further north and east and west. This makes the most sense because there are lots of mounds up and down the rivers, including the Chattahoochee and Appalachicola.
Some of the oldest Hopewell mounds in America are located in Florida panhandle and along the gulf coast rivers. There are also some other links such as the left-handed spiral. Lightning Welk shell that is found in a lot of the mountains. It it comes from the gulf coast of Florida. So they didn’t go up to Mississippi, until later. They actually went up and down the Mississippi because they had boats and canoes with sails believe it or not.
@@csluau5913 an ythings posable
@@csluau5913 Could the narrow neck of land be Florida?
I to go along with it. I love the idea and strong impressions in my heart and mind, that if you follow the latitude line from from Jerusalem 31.7 , it goes right through the florida panhandle. How interesting that the Lord Jesus Christ is one eternal round, His course is straight. So as Lehi's family left Jerusalem, the covenant path, and through all there trials and tribulations and falling off course, and yet in the Lord's tender mercies, brought them back to the covenant path to this great promised land . Very symbolic to the Lord's ways and just strengthens my Godfidence. Thank you Wayne May, God bless you and Hoorah for Israel
@@iloveamerica53 No…Florida is not the narrow neck of land. The problem is, that people think in terms of how North America looks now, divided up into countries and states. You can’t think like that. You have to think without boundaries and just look at the land the way it is shaped and understand that sometimes things change over time. There are some of us that believe that Lehi and his company landed on the Gulf coast of Florida. The area area matches the latitude, and there are also a number of burial mounds and other features that date back to the timeframe of when they landed. If you follow the rivers up into the heartland of America, you will continue to find ceremonial sites and burial mounds. You will also find artifacts such as pottery and stone tools, as well as metal artifacts which date to the appropriate time. Period. Another really interesting thing I found is the presence of a specific type of seashell in the Hopewell mounds and ceremonial sites. It is called the lightning Welk. That particular shell only comes from one place in the entire world… The gulf coast of the southern states in America. So I do not believe it is a coincidence that you find the lightning Welk shells, and the freshwater pearls from the Tennessee river in a number of these burials. Between those and the copper artifacts, making the connections is easier. Convincing people that these were the people of the Lord is much harder.
I know you are very busy, but I'm so delighted to see the video taken in April in Ohio is finally showing up on CZcams. My wife and I really enjoyed meeting you and your producer and the eclipse on 8 April 2024 before the tour began the next day. I'm still wondering why the inside of the Columbus Temple illuminated during the eclipse. Was there a special visitor or just sensors turning on lights inside? The temple was closed, and we saw the cleaning people leave BEFORE the eclipse started.
I wish your brother Jackson could have attended. The earthworks and the Newark Holy Stones were amazing. I have read about them, but being there in person and actually climbing up the steep slopes reminded me of the descriptions in the Book of Mormon. In the near future, we're going to see more of the Ojibwe connection. I'm very hungry and very curious.
I hope you get a chance to read my article in the June 2024 Land of Promise magazine. It is called, "Signs in the Heavens Above and the Earth Below."
Bruce, it was great spending time with you as well! You and your wife are great. Much love!
Bruce was good to see you!
Well, it looks like things are being revealed sooner rather than later. There are now members of several tribes, who have decided to step forward, and start speaking about the truth of the book of Mormon, in relation to what it is saying about their ancestors, and what happened and who was involved. There are also things being on earth literally regularly now around the world as well as in America by persons who are seeking the answers like myself. So yes, the Lord is keeping his promise, and the truth of all things is being revealed. That’s really cool about the temple.
@@csluau5913very cool!
Yes! Been waiting for this since you had him on your podcast last time and he invited you brothers there!
My husband and I drove the Natchez Trace Parkway in April. It’s 445 miles starting in Natchez, Mississippi going through part of Alabama and ending in Nashville. Tennessee. There were multiple stops where there were Hopewell mounds. Apparently, they are all over the place.
Well, they occupied the entire landmass of North America so yes. Prior to that the Jaredites lived all over North America, and probably down into Central and South America as well as they’ve spread out gradually. There is a lot more to the history of this land than people know because it has been kept from us. I grew up in Georgia, where there are a lot of temple and burial mounds, and even now private property owners, and the state government quietly allow these structures to be destroyed or desecrated.
There have been alloy daggers and various metal ornaments found in Coosa county Alabama. There was a silver necklace found in Rockford in the 1800's that was " made with a precision more intricate than anything witnessed". It was on display in Montgomery but now the entire collection has been removed.
@@Ifelta If you're an Alabamian, you should know that Hernan de Soto's expedition passed through Coosa County in 1540. Spaniards began trading with local tribes from the beginning. In fact, de Soto brought hogs with his party, and that was the beginning of hog raising culture in the south.
Back in the '70s, the "Ensign" magazine reported on an iron axe head that was found buried in a tree trunk in Georgia. The implication behind the story was that the item might have been a "Book of Mormon" artifact. When I read the article, I thought about it for a few minutes and realized that most hardwood trees only live 300-400 years at the most. Because I'm from the south, I was familiar with de Soto's 1540 expedition which started out in Tampa Bay, went north through Georgia and Alabama, then into Tennessee and west to Memphis. So the logical conclusion was that the axe head was post-Columbian, not from "Book of Mormon times." The axe head also appeared to be Spanish-style. So it wasn't "Book of Mormon evidence" at all. Same goes for the silver necklace you cite.
There was 300 years of English, Spanish, and French exploration and colonization all over the Americas before the USA came to be. All of those people had metal tools, weaponry, armor, and jewelry.
@@Ifelta Where in Montgomery was it on display? And are you talking about Montgomery, Alabama?
@@Decision_Justice Alabama Department of Archives.
When I first explored the idea of the Hopewell, my wife was extremely doubtful. But that's when we took the trip that you took. To stand on top of those walls is what did it for her! There's just nothing like being there and seeing just how huge these structures are. Glad you got the chance! It's so hard to convey to others how convincing this all is if you haven't seen it for yourself. So grateful you are sharing this!
Did you feel the Spirit there? I really wish I could go
Did I feel the Spirit? Not in the traditional sense. What I felt was genuine wonder. To see fabric with designs in it and breastplates in the small museum on site, and the squares and circles was simply fascinating. Once I got home and began reading my Book of Mormon with the description of banks of earth etc., THAT is when I began to make connections and truly realize what I was standing in the middle of. Knowing what I know now after doing years of my own research I would love to return. But I have also come to realize that one needn't visit to know if something is being validated by the Spirit. I love something Bruce Porter once taught, "The reason people say that they felt the Spirit [visiting sites in the Holy Land] is because for that moment, they have pushed out the worldly distractions and focused their minds on the events that happened in those places. When I discovered this, I realized I can have just as a significant and just as a spiritual experience sitting in my pew in my sacrament meeting in my Ward building as I can sitting on the stones where Christ bled in the garden of Gethsemane." So, to answer your question, I think I was simply too distracted with everything around me at the time. Thinking back, however, I do feel the Spirit when I study these things--a physical confirmation that accompanies the spiritual confirmation I acquired of the Book of Mormon long ago.
@@downsmath that is outstanding! I can tell that you really get it. You don’t truly understand a thing, until you are physically experiencing it, and linking the spiritual and physical world at the same time. Interestingly, that’s exactly what they were trying to show their own people by building those earthworks. the circular and square earthwork represented symbols of the physical and spiritual world. There are some very deep teachings involved with this. Think of it as a visit to the temple for them because that’s basically what it was. They were trying to teach spiritual lessons in a physical setting that was on a grand scale. it might interest you to know that the people of Jared were the ones that built the largest of the monuments, and then the people of Nephi came in later and built things next to them, and around them, and on top of them. I’m currently doing research on the people of Jared, and the things that I have found would melt your brain. They truly were a mighty people, I love Nephi and his people as well, and believe it or not, there are descendants of these people alive today. Just ask them. They’ll tell you. Some of the leaders of some of the tribes and nations are now starting to step forward so it’s going to be an interesting year. God bless you for your faith, and I am glad that you had that experience. Don’t ever stop learning or looking.
The Hopewell culture was remarkable, and evidence disproves the theory that they were the Nephites.
@@Aristotle33 when the Lord wants us to know, we'll know.
Shalom and thank you for this video. Wayne May's Heartland model is absolutely the best explanation for the mound building cultures. Early finds of Hebrew inscriptions from the mounds were labeled as fakes mostly because of an anti-Mormon backlash of that time period. Wayne is uniquely qualified to interpret Hopewell and Adena artifacts. He is able to reveal a rock-solid survey of the fortifications, temples and other earthworks so that their true meaning and purposes are realized. Please keep up the good work!❤❤
While it is true that the Hopewell were an amazing culture, there is evidence that disconfirms the theory that they were the Nephites in the Book of Mormon,
@@Aristotle33While it is true other theories exist, none provide better evidences than the Hopewell (i could list the data, but the words of Joseph should be sufficient)
@@jarenthompson915 It’s probably a case of hopeful associations. No pun intended. The Hopewell are 1000s of miles away from any place n the Americas where cement building was present (Helaman 3). That fact alone disqualifies the Hopewell from being a candidate for any settlements listed in the Book of Mormon.
The Hopewell could very well be the children of Lehi in some way however (migrations northward for example.)
@@Aristotle33 well what theory is a better fit?
And we already know there was a northward migration, Nephi fled north and Mosiah fled north again. Ohio seems to be a perfect fit: sheep for sacrifice, wheat and barley grow naturally, Joseph said crossing the land that it was a nephitw battleground (and I will point out that the nephites defended their lands & did not invade), the earth works shown in video, the archeological time line of the Hopewell, the Egyptian temple found in Tennessee, the geology...
As for concrete, I'm only aware of is adobe, found in UT, AZ, CO, and NM. But the archeology there is a worse fit.
@@jarenthompson915If you go back to my last response, I am not comparing theories, per se.
I am looking at a cultural and archeological feature that is a requirement in Helaman 3. When we use Helaman 3 to prequalify any settlement, we can empirically know that the Hopewell can’t qualify. Neither they or their neighbors within hundreds of miles can qualify as a Book of Mormon site from 50 BC - 400 AD.
You’re ignoring that requirement and setting it aside as if there are other direct archeological proofs.
Mounds of earth, clay, thatch, and wood is not a unique qualifier.
This is awesome. Thanks for doing this. Also thank you Wayne
I have been following Wayne May's research for years. What a great way to see the evidence of the Book of Morman that Wayne has unearthed. The more you see of his research, the more you are convinced that the Book of Mormon took place in the heartland of the USA!
While it is true that the Hopewell were an amazing culture, there is evidence that disconfirms the theory that they were the Nephites.
@@Aristotle33While it is true other theories exist, none provide better evidences than the Hopewell (i could list the data, but the words of Joseph should be sufficient)
@jarenthompson915 more data supports a meso model by far. Doesnt mean nothing happend in the heartland. Something happened in the heartland, but it wasnt what is described in thr BoM. The case is far more convincing in Mesoamerica.
@@Aristotle33 One of the most convincing aspects to a Hopewell link to the Hebrews is language and symbols. The hamsa hands motifs and the Newark holy stones point to a connection to the Holy Land.
@@jamesault7832 There is no direct link between the Hopewell and the Nephites and the disconfirming evidence is strong - no writing system and no cement technological know how.
Absolutely fascinating. I can't get enough of this stuff
Manifest Destiny. Scripturally true. But also very convenient if you want free land.
I've been thinking about Manifest Destiny and have questions...
*Did God actually put it into the heart of the gentiles to take the land and scatter the native tribes? It was foretold in scripture that it would happen, no different than the Jews of Israel being conquered and scattered.
*Were the tribes as bad as were told or were they worse? Had the tribes fallen away from the Gospel, trampling the laws of God, and were facing judgment? Ex: The Comanche were absolutely brutal, no matter the victim, downright devilish in their traditions. Or Ex: Algonquin tribe retaining temple covenants and rites within their lodges?
*Whether or not God was the motivating force, what is the answer? What do we do about it?
Reparations is a satanic principle or doctrine. I'm part native and part gentile, do I get offended, and who am I to be offended at, or do I inherit ancestral lands and get paid?
I first learned about the Hopewell while in middle school. 93 - 96. They do teach these things in public schools. Being from Ohio, maybe that's why we were taught it, prior to the " no child left behind" laws; that standardized the entire public schools system. Prior to that, depending on where you went to school, you could be ahead of, or behind of, that specific school system's curriculum.
I’ve been homeschooling our kids for years , but I would never teach them blasphemous lies . Especially Joseph’s myth
Finally another wayne may vid!
So glad you talked about this stuff! Especially manifest destiny! People don’t understand that there’s way more to that agenda!
These ideas of domination and lies/propaganda are woven throughout human history.
I love this!!
Absolutely love your. Channel and the light your sharing with the world! 🙏🏻☀️🙌🏻🔥❤️🙏🏻
I can tell you are having the time of your life. Good job, can't wait to see your next 👏 show.
I’ll keep waiting to see the one they did about the rest of what they discovered in western Arabia. I am pining to see that video.
Very interesting and it reminds me of the mounds, forts and ditches in the UK. The earliest structures there were carved out by using animal bones and deer antlers and many people were involved. Hill forts there were a place of tribal business, a place where the chief lived and a refuge when needed.
Thank you for creating these videos. Looking forward to more :-)
Great episode!
Great video, Hayden! Well done, brother! You should also watch J J Brown's presentation on the circle and square symbolism and connection with Hopewell and the LDS temple practices.
So happily jealous of you!! :D Awesome content!!! Thank you Brothers!!!!
Hayden,
As an Ohioan I was taught about the Hopewell (and Adena) mounds in Ohio History growing up in public school. Each State in the Eastern USA has their own Hopewell cultures(usually just sticking to just their own state) but when you connect Florida’s Hopewell history to Tennessee's to Illinois, Missouri, Iowa, Indiana, OHIO, on up to New York (and SouthEast Canada too) the connection of each state’s Hopewell culture from earliest to Latest is approx 600BC to 400AD.
My favorite Ohio mound is the
"Newark Earthworks"
it is thee must see mound in Ohio!!
Also look at it's old survey diagram in
EG Squires Book! The old survey pic of it (before it was partially destroyed) looks to me like the diagram a missionary might draw for a new investigator of The Plan of Salvation! 🤯
ps.. also ask Wayne what is in the smaller Eagle mound that’s inside The Great Circle mound in Newark Ohio🤔
Listen to this video by Amberli Nelson (now Amberli Peterson) on CZcams. She is a specialist in Hebrew symbolism.
Her video teaches SO much about the Jewish/Christian people of The Book of Mormon who faithfully kept the Law of Moses from 1st Nephi to 3rd Nephi.. it was sacred to them, like our Sacrament, it was how they approached God. The Eastern USA naturally had the animals, grains fruits ect needed for God's people to faithfully keep the Law of Moses!! (No need for substitute sheep, goats, Ox, Barley etc in the eastern USA
Also ask Wayne about the seeds Lehi brought from Jerusalem and the panhandle of Florida!🤯
John Sorenson's 1st 1985 book "Ancient American, setting for the Book of Mormon" which I have, talks about them using substitute animals like the Paca (giant Guinea Pig) and the Agouti (giant rat) from Central America as substitute Sheep!😬
How did substituting go for Cain!?🤔
Sorenson's substitute animals list in his animals chapter just doesn't work with the Christian Hebrews who faithfully kept The Law of Moses in The Book of Mormon,
This is a must video for you and Jackson😮
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Epic
Hats off to you guys for all your hard work! You're making a huge difference!
Noticed your use of tags centered on Christ, rather than #lds #mormon, etc. Well done! You guys rock. Love what you’re doing!
“I didn’t know what manifest destiny was either”
Definitely a Marine
I love your channel! I’ve thought seriously about the Heartland Model for a number of years-seems the most likely.
I feel like I’ve seen your face before on Kid History, correct?
I am so excited for the next video in this series!
The Book of Mormon aside, these mounds and other earthworks and especially metal working paints a very different picture of the ancient inhabitants of North America than what we've typically gotten about the supposedly primitive state of the American Indians before the arrival of Europeans.
I love the depth of you two expounding the scriptures!
I can’t thank you guys enough for doing all this research and travel and providing Information! I’m listening as I do my daily walk! As a teacher of public schools K -8 I appreciate your question why is this not be taught to every student in America! Whether they are in the book of Mormon or not! I’m so thankful for all of your work and for sharing!
PS as a student of anthropology once upon A time… You have reawakened my love of cultures and archaeology and now I can combine it with my love of The Restored Gospel! Bless you!
How can u not believe the BOM after finding all these little gems!!!!!
You have only seen the tip of the iceberg, my friend. The tip of the iceberg. There is so much more you would not believe it. Unfortunately, that seems to be the problem. No one believes it. There is evidence all over the United States, and Canada.
Because Joseph Smith falsely prophesied and according to the bible falsely prophesying (in the name of God) makes you a false prophet (not a prophet of Yah).
Book of Abraham proves Joseph Smith to be a false prophet.
Also, Joseph Smith used "seer stones" in a hat to translate the BOM.. seer stones is witchcraft, according to the bible God hates witchcraft, it is abominable to Him and if you know God then you know how He talks to His prophets and it is not through seer stones.
@@BornAgainCarnivore explain precisely how the book of Abraham makes Joseph Smith a false profit. You cannot make a statement like that without having absolute proof which I’m pretty sure you don’t have.
@@csluau5913 You can look it up yourself. I thought it would be pretty self evident if you see that it is obviously a depiction of an egyptian burial nothing to do with Abraham.
Do you really need me to spell it out for you. You can look at it yourself.
@@csluau5913 nowscape.com/mormon/kolob-defined3.htm
Your work is appreciated 👍
I have not watched this current Video but on a previous video I heard you say that you appreciate suggestions for guests. I immediately had a thought that felt like inspiration. I believe Dr. David Morgan would be an excellent guest and interview for you. He has an inspired understanding of important and pertinent topics for our time. He has a particular insight in applying the teachings of Jesus Christ combined with his clinical understanding to help people obtain tools and perspective to overcome anxieties that cripple so many people’s growth. He has a deep understanding of The Book of Mormon and scripture in general. He loves Jesus. I have never commented on a CZcams channel. It just felt like inspiration that I had to share. David would be a great guest. I enjoy the work that you are doing. Your videos are thought provoking and inspirational. Keep up the good work.
I’m from NW Ohio originally. I always grew up thinking the Hopewell peoples were in the southern states. It wasn’t until recently that I learned there were lots of these sites in Ohio and Michigan as well. Not just places like Missouri etc.
Really good video, thanks. Like the music during the monologuing.
Having lived in Ohio for over 65 years we were taught Ohio history that included the mound builders, their religious lodges, etc. All the schools our children attended were Hopewell, Adena, Cherokee, Lakota, etc. Ft. Ancient, Serpent Mound, Chillicothe Mounds, Marietta Mounds, etc. etc. all are evidence of this great civilization subjected to genocide by France, the US government, Spain, Great Britain, etc.
The Hopewell and Adena cultures did not have a written language. They were a PreHistoric people. They could neither read, nor write.
@@Decision_Justice.... everything you're saying is completely inaccurate and you're just spewing about a subject you know nothing about so instead of posting this everywhere, why don't you just put a sock in your yapper and listen to people who have real knowledge about this and maybe just maybe you will actually learn something🤐☺️
@@Decision_Justice....Lol.... prehistoric? LOL.... what does that even mean, did you pick that up from watching Jurassic Park☺️
You need to set this one out because it's clear you don't have any knowledge about anything you're talking about so how about you just zip it and learn from these guys👍🍼
Cool stuff you guys! Thanks for sharing. It would be awesome to get access to those metal artifacts.
That would be cool!
I have been to Cahokia and the museum there and I have seen videos on the Hopewell, and I have done some research. I really do feel these were Nephites. It is truly amazing that anything is left, and quite a lot left and written about as well.
How could they be the Nephites when 1) they had no written language and could not read or write?
2) when they did not use cement
3) when they did not have steel
4) when they did not grow wheat
5) when they did not have chariots (and not even the wheel)
@@Decision_Justice.... you've got all your facts azz backwards😊
SCIOTO - It is pronounced Sigh-Oh-Toe. Means deer river.
I didn't know Wayne May used dowsing in his searches for archaeological sites. Coool.
When I began digging with the Ohio State Archeological Muesum 45 years ago, I was really surprised how effective dowsing was. Since then, I have a lot of examples of it.
@@jamesault7832 Dowsing has been scientifically tested and shown not to work.
In the 1980s or 90s there was a very interesting article in National Geographic magazine. I wish I had saved that issue so many times!
Seems reasonable that the Nephites harnessed elephants, cureloms, cumoms and mammoths into fresnos and graded the earth up as high as they wanted it.
I remember the mounds and Hopewell people being talked about in my history textbooks and seventh and eighth grade. I lived in Utah valley. There wasn’t much taught about them, but I’m grateful I at least got that introduction.
Excellent video.
I homeschool my 6 kids and you bet they know about the Hopewell and Adena cultures and the parallels that exist with the Book of Mormon while stressing the spiritual witness from the Holy Ghost is the priority to gain a testimony. Because it might not be. But still really amazing archeology that isn't taught in our own public school about our own land's history.
I know exactly why this is not taught in school all attached to the Manifest Destiny and Christian Discovery Doctrine.
Be respect guys
When you say "Stick of Joseph" fast (like at the beginning of this video) it sounds like "Sticky Joseph".
Lol ya, I have heard that before!
That never crossed my mind and still makes no sense.
In Helaman there is a narrative that many Nephites went north to a place of many rivers and waters and that there wasn’t much timber. Shipping was stated that helped that group build temples, buildings and synagogues. This was a place above the narrow strip of land. This shouldn’t be confused with a land as far as todays US territory. However, there were other migrations of people going northward that were never seen again. Could these people, though assumed died at sea, actually have migrated to North America and this is one way the presence of Nephites that Joseph Smith refers to being found in the Heartland. I am not a Heartland advocate for the time period of the Book of Mormon people. But, I am confident, like Moroni himself, migrations of Nephites escaping destruction made it up to North America and therefore explaining the comments that Joseph Smith made with regards to Zelph.
A magnet will not stick to copper, nickel, gold or silver but it will stick to iron. Put a magnet on the metal artifact.
Great video!
Amazing
second..nope, THRID...nope..dang 4th Great video!!!
Whatever number you are.. we're glad you're here! :)
@@thestickofjoseph
Hayden,
As an Ohioan I was taught about the Hopewell (and Adena) mounds in Ohio History growing up in public school. Each State in the Eastern USA has their own Hopewell cultures(usually just sticking to just their own state) but when you connect Florida’s Hopewell history to Tennessee's to Illinois, Missouri, Iowa, Indiana, OHIO, on up to New York (and SouthEast Canada too) the connection of each state’s Hopewell culture from earliest to Latest is approx 600BC to 400AD.
My favorite Ohio mound is the
"Newark Earthworks"
it is thee must see mound in Ohio!!
Also look at it's old survey diagram in
EG Squires Book! The old survey pic of it (before it was partially destroyed) looks to me like the diagram a missionary might draw for a new investigator of The Plan of Salvation! 🤯
ps.. also ask Wayne what is in the smaller Eagle mound that’s inside The Great Circle mound in Newark Ohio🤔
Listen to this video by Amberli Nelson (now Amberli Peterson) on CZcams. She is a specialist in Hebrew symbolism.
Her video teaches SO much about the Jewish/Christian people of The Book of Mormon who faithfully kept the Law of Moses from 1st Nephi to 3rd Nephi.. it was sacred to them, like our Sacrament, it was how they approached God. The Eastern USA naturally had the animals, grains fruits ect needed for God's people to faithfully keep the Law of Moses!! (No need for substitute sheep, goats, Ox, Barley etc in the eastern USA
Also ask Wayne about the seeds Lehi brought from Jerusalem and the panhandle of Florida!🤯
John Sorenson's 1st 1985 book "Ancient American, setting for the Book of Mormon" which I have, talks about them using substitute animals like the Paca (giant Guinea Pig) and the Agouti (giant rat) from Central America as substitute Sheep!😬
How did substituting go for Cain!?🤔
Sorenson's substitute animals list in his animals chapter just doesn't work with the Christian Hebrews who faithfully kept The Law of Moses in The Book of Mormon,
This is a must video for you and Jackson😮
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My grandma lives on a hill in upstate NY where you can see 5 states (really great views!). But legend had it that her hill on the property wasn't the tallest hill on her property. The adjacent hill was supposedly struck by lightning and collapsed lower than where her current hill stands. This is all according to the guy they purchased the property from back in the 1950's.
I am absolutely fascinated with the Hopewell mound builders. I personally don't think they were Mormons but nonetheless a very interesting and well thought out video
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Get that worm!
If you can’t see the Hopewell are not the Nephites, I don’t know what you are looking at. Because it’s pretty obvious they are.
Nice work!
Yes! The government wanted the land and Joesph smith had a record of the Indians. This fact got to the ears of government officials and then Jospeh smith became a target.
@@sarahbean6170 it’s interesting when you look back at who was in high places in the government at that time and who they were connected to. When you start really doing some digging, you really will find the truth. It’s funny how it works like that. People say the destruction of America started to happen after World War II. I disagree. The forces of evil were already at work, trying to destroy America as early as 1783 and they just kept going and periodically gathered their forces to attack. Most of the time they werepushed back, but as we see now by what is happening around us, we are in an awful situation. What better time than now to find ways to get the truth out into the public such as videos like this one? I definitely want to see more. I study all of this in my spare time anyway so it just goes like a hand and a glove for me.
So go through those museums with a *_BIG_* magnet.
Why?
Supposedly the mound builders in Parkin, AR recognize the cross when deSoto arrived which was their first European experience
I’m a believer
I love that Wayne is holding divining rods as he’s explaining this. My kinda guy.
YOU NEED TO READ Fair's response: "The Hopewell culture (in the Great Lakes area) and The Book of Mormon: Do they match?"
I believe theres a chap out there reporting on found swords iirc
In addition to places of resort, places of refuge are found three times in the Book of Mormon. They seem (to me) to have very similar meaning, a place of safety. 2 Nephi 14:6 talks about a refuge from the storms, but in Helaman 15:2 and 15:12, they were places to flee from danger.
Complex sacred geometry is formed by algorithms rather than math. Squares and compas form an infinitly scalable structure useing rope and stakes in the real world. That is one way to view the square and compass, as a way to develop foundation plans for any size temple with astronomical alignment.
It’s interesting you should say that. I have family members who are Freemasons, and I have actually told them things that they were surprised to hear me say because I am not a mason. I have, however, been studying the earthworks and different monuments, built by ancient people around the world, including the people of Jared Which were built right here in the Americas. I say Americas plural, because there are geoglyphs and enclosures being found in south and Central America, as well as those found in North America and the mounds. How are they laid out? Using celestial alignment, and large scale, compasses, a tri square and plumbob just like the Egyptians did. There are megalithic and monumental structures around the world that would have been laid out this way, because the people who built them had that knowledge. Those who characterize our ancestors as ignorant savages, are actually the ignorant savages themselves, and their profane attitude towards our ancestors, is not only disrespectful, but unethical. They will reap what they sow in the end. The people of Jared knew how to square the circle and circle the square. That technique was passed on to those who came afterwards… The people of Mulek and of Nephi.
2 reverends at the time of the coming forth of the book go Mormon wrote to the savage theme. At that time people didn't view the Indians as savages. The book published by the reverends called the Indians the nobale savages and thus it began. It was a counter to the Nephites and Lamanites from the Book of Morman.
Neither did Joseph smith, check the history.
Now THIS is what I wanna see boys! Sorry I am an older ladies in my 40s and I am pretty sure y'all are late 20s? Jackson couldn't go? Torture😢! I feel sorry that we both missed out!
I respect and admire Wayne May, but I partially disagree with him about one thing he said. I don’t feel that the large circular structures are places of resort. I think they are ceremonial, and they could have possibly doubled as defensive structures in a pinch but if you want to see places of resort look in the foothills and the mountains and you will find them. They are the smaller enclosures that are sitting on higher ground, usually surrounded by some kind of natural barrier, such as a river or stream, or gully or ditch or area that would make it difficult to attack.
They were really good at building these defensive enclosures,, and took advantage of natural features already existing in the landscape, which saved them a bit of work. I believe that the really massive geometric or sacred geometric enclosures were built by the Adena also known as the Jaredites. Later, they may have also been added onto by the Nephites.
Great Videos! Thanks for all you do. I just started reading "In the Language of Adam" (my Fathers Day Gift). Wayne's explanation of the square/cardinal directions reminded me of "The Ancient Tradition" podcast, if you haven't yet, go check it out. Based on your videos I and commentary I know you'd find it very interesting.
I love that podcast. Jack Logan (If that is even her name) has done a great job at staying completely anonymous! I have tried so hard to get in touch with her! Glad you like the book.
So they found copper breast plates and iron axes?? How come "they" keep telling us there is NO archeological evidence of the book of mormon? why am I hearing about this now?
They did not find iron axes. I read the catalog of all the items found in the dig, and there is absolutely NOTHING of iron. And the only reason they had copper is due to the Great Lakes area having malleable copper deposits. All one needed to do was to find some large nuggests and pound down on it to make a "breastplate."
Who is the man being interviewed at 2:49? He apparently got a lot of things wrong. There have never been pre-Columbian iron objects found in the Americas.
@@Decision_Justice excuse me actually you don’t know what you’re talking about. I’m gonna call you out on the carpet about both of the things you have said here. You clearly don’t have a clue about what it takes to make copper objects. I personally have a friend who is a blacksmith and he could teach you a couple of things. You need to learn some manners first though so I’m gonna put you in your place. you need to shut up if you don’t know what you’re talking about cause you just make yourself look like an idiot. Second thing is that they actually have been found in North America made of copper, bronze, and iron that are all pre-Columbian. I also like to point out that, your comments indicate that you have no understanding whatsoever of the pre-Columbian North American people. You may have read some archaeology reports, but you clearly don’t know anything about the people that lived here. Some of the people that are living in the Americas now are the direct sentence of those people and they can tell you stories as long as you don’t piss them off and offend them. So why don’t you go back and do some more research? Then if you have nothing better to say shut up
@@Decision_Justice Can anyone argue this?
Why aren't Americans building any mounds after the order of the Nephites, after the order of the Jaredies? We need to "catch up" with the tradition and build mounds! like them
The "lack of swords" argument needs bolstering by critics. Most all armies throughout time primarily used spears in combat. The spear (still alive today in the form of bayonets) is extremely effective for the cost to produce one. It kills people away from you, so less risk in combat, and it only takes a fraction of the amount of metal to create the tip. It is likely to be one of the first weapon developed by man and continues to be the natural form for a weapon.
Um, though correct on spears, the lack of iron swords is bolstered because we've never found any...Can't be clearer than that.
The Hopewell had the most amazing Spears made of obsidian and hornstone. Some of them over 12 inches long. Copper swords and simitars have been found but the archeologist won't call them as such. I found out very early in my experience with the Ohio State Museum, that certain subjects were tabu but if you get them to talk off the record you will hear plenty of evidence to the contrary. There are for example, accounts of Hopewell skeletons found with a length of iron rust found at their sides. No doubt the remains of an iron sword but they don't preserve in the acidic soils of Ohio.
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@@jamesault7832 Obsidian is amazing.
Again, no simitars have been found in ancient North America. It's not that experts won't call them that, it's that none have been found.
Accounts that aren't verified, about rust. Anecdotal conjecture on what that possibly could be from unverified accounts. This is not evidence.
Iron weaponry that was forged from ore, in furnaces leaves a ton of evidence behind, and is a technology that spreads throughout whatever locale it is found (look at the rest of the world, which had an Iron Age).
The Jaredites apparently had millions of swords. Whether those were brass or copper or iron, there would be evidence of such things. We have none, and in particular, iron ones.
what does the DNA say about the hopewell bones?
Where are those bones?!
They 100% aren’t Jews like the Book of Mormon claims.
Nothing. There is no DNA evidence that has been presented that supports any of this.
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I have always known that these remains were from the Nephites and Lamanites. They both spread all over the Americas and the final battle was the Hill Cumorrah area. Book of Mormon. Millions of war artifacts have been found in these areas.
There haven't been found artifacts of a great battle with swords and shields. And since the Hopewell Culture could not read or write, then it does't fit the BoM
@@Decision_Justice excuse me, just gonna jump in here. You are making a really big assumption that ancient Native Americans could not read and write. That’s really insulting and to be fair. It’s really racist of you to say that. So I think you should rethink your statement before you open your mouth again.
@@Decision_Justice You have been misinformed. People cart things off. They are finding a great deal of evidence of B of M truth all over the place. Starting with the structures all over the Americas middle and northern. No room for doubt.
Hey can you give me the name or link when you guys talked about the “anachronisms” in the Book of Mormon also were they done by not our scholars. I say this because it’s hard to make a claim of the anachronisms being debunked if it’s just by our scholars. I know that it might be hard but I just wanted to let you know.
15:45 pro tip- don't call GOVERNMENT schools public schools.
(If you think about it, there are significant differences between the meaning of public and government. Differences politicians and bureaucrats don't want the people to think about and comprehend)
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The structure at Fort Ancient Ohio has a moat on the inside of the ancient wall. Why would the builders put a moat on the inside instead of on the outside like other forts? Answer: Because it was a prison, not a fort. ( See Alma 53, 4-5). The Lamanite prisoners were tasked with throwing dirt up against the walls, thus creating an inside moat.
I think it is important to remember why the Lamanites lost their land to the Gentiles. They were warned.
How much you wanna bet that there was a big tree growing in the middle of the smaller circle of each of the geometrics.
ha and don’t forget an altar of stones
Did you not notice the square is on the right and the circle is on the left? Think about it.
Haden... make sure you tell us when the Holy Ghost knocks your socks off confirming these ancient BoM structures and artifacts you'll be experiencing. I think if you go stand on Zelph's mound.... 😇
It happened with Joseph Smith!! 😉👍
Self affirmation can lead anyone to any belief. Just feeling good about something does not mean the HG is telling you that.
The iron, according to the Hopewell site, is Meteorite Iron.
Iron is not just a couple steps away from steel. Steel requires metallurgy. Metallurgy was never practiced in Pre-Columbian North America. Steel would require iron to be smelted, which never happened in the Americas.
There was never steel in Pre-Colombian North America.
SNOW!!! SNOW!!!SNOW!!!! ??? The BoM doesn't mention any heavy winter like the area in this part of USA.
Excellent point. Other excellent points about the Hopewell are: 1) they had no written language and could not read or write
2) they did not use cement
3) they did not have steel
4) they did not grow wheat
5) they did not have chariots (and not even the wheel)
There have been significant changes in climate and geography since that time.
Before anyone gets too excited about the Hopewell and Adena possibly smelting iron and copper, there are 2 things to keep in mind regarding the presence of those 2 metals in eastern North America:
- Iron:
From the American Museum of Natural History:
"The Brenham meteorite scattered more than three tons of meteorite fragments in the vicinity of Brenham, Kansas. Pieces of the Brenham meteorite have also been found up to 1,500 kilometers (1,000 miles) away-transported by Native American traders and buried in mounds by the Hopewell people more than 1,500 years ago. Some pieces were pounded into iron knives, ear ornaments, chisels, buttons and beads.
For thousands of years, meteorites were the primary source of iron metal for peoples around the world. All natural iron rusts, or oxidizes. But only meteoritic iron is mixed with nickel, forming a steel alloy that is extremely strong and rust-resistant."
This meteorite is estimated to have fallen around 20,000 years ago.
- Copper:
There are huge native copper deposits in Michigan which were mined by Native Americans for thousands of years.
From wikipedia:
Native Americans were the first to mine and work the copper of Lake Superior and the Keweenaw Peninsula of northern Michigan between 5000 BCE and 1200 BCE.
There are academic papers where the Hopewell iron has been tested, and as you say, has been meteoric. So it isn't just based on conjecture. So no smelting going on.
I read the catalog of the dig (mentioned by the man starting at 2:49) and there were NO objects of iron or steel found.
If you mention atrocities mention the stuff the "Native Americans" too. By the way, not so native. They too migrated.
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Archeologists conflate iron and steel - rarely making a distinction.
Exactly right. Did you know that the people of Jared were expert craftsman at making swords and armor, out of folded and hammered steel? People keep saying that all of these artifacts are cast. They’re not. Some of them have been molded and hammered on a forge. People say… Why haven’t they found anvil? I say to them because their anvil were made out of stone. I know this because I have some of those stones. They were used for making tools out of stone and soft metal like copper and bronze. The other tools and weapons and armor made of steel would have been hammered on a harder type of stone, such as granite or basalt. If you don’t believe me, ask the samurai how they made their swords. Where do you think the knowledge of that technology came from? But that’s another story.
Incorrect.
It would be valuable to examine and compare this evidence to the evidence we see in Ethiopia. There is no doubt Jews went to Ethiopia in 600 BC so it would be a good comparison.