Why the Internet is Dead (Dead Internet Theory)
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Ever been an argument with someone so frustrating that you wondered if they were even real? Today we discuss The Dead Internet Theory and the two sides of it that I believe are equally interesting. ChatGPT and OpenAi are menaces to society and there's nothing we can do. Don't get me wrong I don't hate technology. Personally I do use Ai myself, mostly to enhance blurry images (see caseOh thumbnail) and I am not adverse to the technology if it's used in moderation. The problem is that the internet is not prepared for this at all and shady stuff is happening everywhere. Any references to extreme tech activists are purely done in a humorous manner and are not meant to be taken seriously.
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Your video is surprisingly rational about this. It's a shame it's so hard to discuss this stuff without wild conspiracy theorists and "I'm 14 and this is deep" people blasting the convo and drowning out other things. Even despite this super rational and well-done video, a lot of these comments are utterly batshit. The internet is a fascinating phenomenon and it yields some really wild behavioral psych outcomes.
Also the Library of Alexandria burned because the curators were fans of Rainbow Six and Tom Clancy books (which made up the majority of the Library's knowledge--Clancy's lost 500 books) and they saw Ubi do the Rick & Morty cross-over. Burned it all down then and there on the spot.
rational, or simple minded. apparently they mean the same here.
What ideas are "batshit" in your opinion?
@@airthrowDBT basically both sides are right in their own way, but the main issue is that people tend to lean too hard into extremes (ie. AI stealing art to AI taking jobs). But, in this case both are true. People forget these all major problems in society never happen instantly there's ALWAYS a build up little by little.
@@user-qp5yu1zq1m I'm sorry could you be more clear: What part is batshit?
Didn't seem very rational to me. guy was just complaining about people messing around with new technology and advocating for government control of the internet (ai legislation). You cant legislate people making as you called it "ugly AI art". That is your worthless opinion. I find AI art to be very convenient and a lot of of the times better than what I look for from real artists. I don't care that it's going to cost some failed artist his job, I want the quality that I want, and it's my freedom and choice to utilize AI for my projects. If you dont like AI then dont use it and moderate it off your channel, it's that simple.
I remember when Google would actually search for what you typed into it. CZcams, too. Now they fetch unrelated rubbish. Used to be a library; now it's Walmart.
so true
once upon a time i could just type in like three keywords and find exactly what i was looking for without much searching. now i feel like i have to jump through hoops and hurdles to get any semblance of what i was searching for
Can't even go one scroll without an unrelated recommended video popping up these days
Duckduckgo and books
Pornhub too
the really scary thing about the "dead internet" theory, is that its not like the cool, goverment plot conspiracy, but thats its a slow, long and mundane process that is just gonna make everything slightly worse forever.
Hmm... Its the same with the govt plot.
It's like thousands of sailors stopping by to eat one or two dodo birds or tortoises while accidentally introducing mice and rats to tropical islands, then a few decades later... oops, extinct.
There's no real malice or even a plan, just careless hungry men.
I noticed it getting slightly worse forever since Facebook
This is a stupid ass theory, it's entire basis is just "well it could be real cause uh, it just computer and stuff, you know computer can be uh fake lol and also cause le corporations and stuff" and that's as deep as it goes
@2ndPeterVBlack what's more cost efficient, creating an entire fake virtual space to manipulate people (btw computers and the cost of running and maintaining them is way more expensive than you think) or just allowing an actual virtual space to be formed naturally, and censoring people you disagree with while promoting the opposite?
i don't know why you would think the government gaslighting it's population is somehow a crazy take. we only have multiple centuries worth of examples of governments doing just that. people in power are prone to abusing their power in order to maintain it? totally crazy.
Yeah it's less "OMG GUYS THIS IS HAPPENING" and more "Oh wow. This is actually happening."
A line in the sand has been drawn. The information has been available for well over a decade. People are simply choosing to ignore it and continue to live the delusion. Ignorance is bliss. Humanity deserves everything that is to come in the future and I feel ZERO sympathy for them.
@mjvoce just check for “strategia della tensione” and check what they did during the 70s in Italy… everything is possible
Well it's because blaming the government for everything is what ALL conspiracy theories do
And like he said, the core of the theory isn't who is behind it, but what it's evolving into
We have come to the point where "pulling the problem from the roots" isn't an option anymore
AI has developed beyond its roots, we cannot solve it by blaming the government
And yet you will crap on marxists and claim that you are the one not gaslit lol
“In the future all humor will be randomly generated”
-Protestant vegetables
Then we will stop the Robots with awarding them with a Comedy Award
It worked with FunnyBot it will work with FunnyChat3.0
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Neo-liberal humor already feels like AI generated.
I thought they were catholics
the loss of information right now is a big problem. Most things i search for end up getting me nothing.
Man ur pfp scared the shjt out ofme
@@qxilion4260 I'm so sorry! I feel bad now :(
Yeah, why is finding useful information actually difficult.
@@qxilion4260You had to mention it didn't you, my left finger was covering it before I realized
the best thing is when you search for something and theres a bunch of articles that say so much but actually say nothing
Chatgpt sora shows just because you can doesn't mean you should
What is ChatGPT sora
@@reptilesarecool9763 its the video AI thing i think
@@reptilesarecool9763 short videos exclusively made by AI, with an uncanny amount of realism
@@apollyon6855 me getting sent to jail for life due to "video proof" of me going on a genocide run (it was ai generated): 🤯
Shit, I'm gonna have to start going outside soon.
Ikr :( gotta erase all my socials now
So I remember reading a post about the dead internet theory on /x/ years back, and one thing that always stuck with me and creeps me out is the idea of content cycles.
Essentially, stories, ideas, posts, and other content being recycled periodically, from different sources as time goes on. Same content, different provider.
People who’ve been on the web a long time are the ones who best pick up on such things, just because of the amount of content exposure they have. Granted, these cycles were long, sometimes taking years before you see a repost… but I’ve been noticing it getting faster.
On Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, etc. sometimes you’ll find yourself seeing the same post recycled a multitude of times, sometimes within the span of a day or so. And who is the culprit? Bots. Be it for karma farming or, or attracting followers, or simply to get that paycheck for interactions… it’s become so much more blatant and prevalent than ever before.
Even the whole Dead Internet Theory itself. Having read it years ago, only to see it crop up once more in recent years… it’s got me creeped out for sure.
Great video btw 👍
Yeah I've noticed that a lot recently. Sometimes you'll get the same post back to back many times and they often have a bunch of likes. Which makes me wonder if bots reupload content to other bots to gather likes.
@@_info1167 oh yeah, not to mention all the junk on FB with the AI generated images of people recycling bottles into art, with hundreds of likes and comments from bot accounts?
One thing I believe people don’t take into account is the fact that not everyone in the world is an active participant online. I can’t say for certain how many people use the internet or social media in total… but I have a feeling that, comparatively, there have to be way more bot accounts out there than actual users, for the variety of reasons why people create bots nowadays.
We’re most likely outnumbered, and that margin is probably going wider each day. It’s a weird thought to consider: humanity may be the shrinking minority in the digital world.
Nobody tell this guy about Jo Campbell's The Hero's Journey or the concept of the Ur-myth.
Even on youtube, I see these content cycles. While scrolling on Yt to find a video to watch, I often run into some posts from meme channels or smth while scrolling and 2-3 days later, sometimes even just 1 day later, I see different channels making that same post. Not just the same meme template, but literally the entire, "original" (assuming the one I saw first isn't a repost itself) meme or image, just from another channel.
I mean its conformed that the government does participate in social engineering. To what extent is still unclear
Absolutely
Influencers are social engineers, except the real conspiracy theorists, they get shadowbanned.
The fullest extent of current discovery obviously
@@iAmLufa The goverment controlled ai is coming. The AI running around is the precursor to armys of "The Ministry of truth" that will influence the opinions of people through sheer peer pressure. But hey that's just a theory.
This is mainly pushed by corporations, but really the goverment doesn't really do much to stop it as they also benefit
TF2 was a speedrun of the dead internet theory, amazing until around 2016-17, slightly worse for a few years, then completely unusable. Thanks, Sam Altman
Thanks for the depression
@@nonsensicalrants1703 you mean the truth
Team Fortress 2?
the reddit guy, or is there some other sam altman that didnt appear in the google search?
@@zzyxxyzz5442 Sam Altman is the founder of OpenAI and regardless of what he said, he's a damn greedy person for wanting everyone to fund his 7 Trillion Brain Chip program.
This reminds me of cyberpunk, where the original internet was infected with rouge A.I.s that ran rampant till they had to seal it off and create a new internet. The original net became the old net, which is still filled with valuable information, but extremely hard to access, since anyone who tries is immediately attacked by rouge A.I.s. I know it sounds corny but it's weird seeing something so similar happen if real life.
Not corny at all, I think we are heading that way. Maybe even start making cold hardware back-ups of sites like Wikipedia, current CZcams and more.
Honestly I take all history with a grain of salt, I don't trust anything that we know of the past 100%, There is too much human bias/agenda/anecdotal interference
I’m sick of bots drowning real people. I don’t care about all the excess garbage
ello fellow humaan
Hello fellow [human being].
I am definitely a [human being] and not a [general artificial intelligence].
@@AndyTheBoizwhat if the original commenter was a bot? What if you are a bot?
@@wehiird As stated in my previous reply, I am a [human being] just like everyone else using the [internet].
dont worry we wont drown you yet
to quote veggie tales "in the future, humor will be randomly generated"
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Fortnite balls
@@Courier117 I chortled myself reading reading reading reading about your fortnite balls.
@@Cretaal im glad you were able to use your Chortle move on pikachu for 50 damage
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The part that scares me is just how much more annoying captchas are going to become
Bro if I get that highway car captcha one more time I'm literally deleting whatever account it's associated with
It reminds me of something that happened in my country. A famous influencer had a habit of denouncing corruption in local governments (their actual content had nothing to do with politics, they just shared in their ig stories complaints their followers had to "make good use of their platform".
One day, out of nowhere, thousands of tweets suddenly appeared branding them a pedophile, the proof being screencaps of 15 year old tweets. And the "suddenly" part was pretty terrifying: 6.59 am, no tweets, 7.00 am, thousands of different accounts accusing them. Even traditional media, who rarely covers influencers, were suspiciously all about it. They were banished from the industry entirely in one day.
Moral of the story, don't mess with corrupt politicians lol.
who was the influencer?
I think the lesson is don't live in South America.
@@greasemonk4576dude, are you by any chance member of r/brdev?
The thing about the Library of Alexandria was that most of the texts it had were copies of ones that existed elsewhere, so we didn't actually lose as much knowledge as many commonly believe
There's even more to it. We don't actually know if the library was what many believed it was. There is no real record of one Library of Alexandria, it was rather a part of bigger temple complex. But there was definitely a collection of many scripts, texts and books in Alexandria that were lost over a certain period of time, mostly due to lack of funding and...well time.
And yes, many books were copies/originals but copies were crafted and send back to the owners of the originals.
I guess that the burning theory just sounds so much more interesting that many ignore the actual facts, which is kinda sad.
But wait, how do we know what it had if it was all burnt..? Was there like a record of every book it had somewhere and that survived..? This is a genuine question I am just curious
@@probablyjustsnailsThat's a good point, I'm not actually sure.
@@probablyjustsnails Yeah, there usually are lists of every book and their location in the library for the convenience of the librarians.
We don't even know if the Library of Alexandria was on good condition when the fires happened. For all we know, some of the scrills and manuscripts were not properly preserved there due to other conditions such as the material of the boosk/scrolls involved, which is all the more reason to believe that copies were made for preservation purposes.
thanks for ruining my day
Thats why he's the goat! The goat!
@@Luh_katkat Lufa =
We're doomed! *DOOMED!!* I tells Ya!
What a bunch of Doomers
Yeah, Dead Internet Theory tends to do that.
Don't look up Roko's Basilisk if you want to sleep tonight.
for the record, there is literally no way Christians burned down the library of Alexandria. It happened in 48 BC... 48 years before the birth of Christ. there were no Christians around back then.
the fire also wasn't what destroyed the library. A very, very small portion of what was there was burned. The rest was simply neglected over centuries
Clearly it was scientilogists.
No one knows when the library was burned down/destroyed. All we have is a theories.
Christians still suck, so I blame it on Christians
23:31 I'm one of the people who run that account! I still find it so surreal when people talk about us. This video was honestly great, specially with dividing it into 2 different parts.
I’m honored, thanks for what you do!
@iAmLufa your being thankful for being proved wrong?
@@yungjunkie666 ...How are they proven wrong?
so basically irl bots are using their free time to flood cyberspace with regular bots? i guess it's time to touch grass then
These ain't bots, there are the people who don't understand how humans function and are just lonely...or just literally anyone. I can see why someone would do it. I've heartedly considered it before, and only stop when I realize that it goes against my morals (when I mean stop, I means stop for that day)
Are you a bot?
@@sussyuchiha5780 i know you're a bot, with that weak ass question
@@sussyuchiha5780 /chatgpt malfunction, try again/
@@sussyuchiha5780 are yoi?
Mine crafters be crafting for sure and it shows 🙌🏾
Love this❤
Bruh
Craft of Mine
I don’t know some more “bot” shit or smth
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The hardest pill to swallow. The fact I can cannot just type something I’m looking for and be given a thing I’m looking but strictly most popularly searched a websites that might be related to what I might be looking for. The fact I can get website I want scares the hell out of me. Information that I want to find and see is not allowed and I need too accept the norm.
You know how I get around the problem of "bots?"
Talking to actual humans IRL, and libraries.
Oh... I also deleted my X and Facebook accounts.
Problem solved!
Unfortunately one of the main ways many people message friends and family is through Facebook messenger so it’s not possible to just delete our account..
This is the kind of thing that keeps me awake at night. I can just see a day coming soon when A.I starts to invade our private messages or even starts phoning us, mimicking our friends and family like in the Terminator. At that point it has the power to completely ruin your life. Destroy relationships, get you fired, even get you arrested. It's stuff like that that makes me want to unplug completely.
I don’t know if you know this but look up collegiate athletes parents who have been getting scam calls saying their son or daughter is in jail( pretending to be campus police) and they need like a 100$ to get them out. scary stuff
Let's start living on mountains
This is already a thing. I remember one time we got one of those robocaller scam calls and they used my grandma's voice. I don't remember what the call was about I think it was just a weird way of doing telemarketing. I believe we've gotten calls on our landline that appeared to be our own phone number calling itself and they used my dad's voice if I remember correctly. Its wild what these scammers come up with to try and trick people.
happened to my friend recently, she got a virus and sent AI GENERATED FACEBOOK VOICE MESSAGE asking for $200 to her colleague from uni and he actually lost money
@@acetheace8418or that one time this crazy mom made an ai generated video of one of her daughter's classmates smoking weed to get her kicked off the cheerleading team or whatever, shit's insane
So this is kinda unrelated (but does involve AI). I remember seeing an IG reel in a meme format that was something along the lines of “me in court seeing CCTV footage of me committing a crime that i didn’t even commit”; and it reallyyy got me thinking. AI as we know it is as bad as it’s ever going to be, meaning it will progressively get better and better. What if it gets to the point where it’s so realistic that it’s hard to differentiate reality vs fiction; we already kinda saw it when that case where this girl’s voice got AI manipulated and called her mom for a fake ransom. What if the justice system has to go back to how it used to be: no photo/video is admissible in court. We are gonna have to rely on real/physical evidence rather than audio & video, which can be detrimental if the case doesn’t have an abundance of forensic evidence. Sorry for the rambling lol but it’s something to think about. Like it’s really at it’s beginning stages and it’s already a bad idea.
Boy wouldn't that be awful convenient for them if video evidence became inadmissible.
If the justice system is hindered in such a way, I could see it accelerating the collapse of society. Or at least, any society which cannot or refuses to adapt. Such as countries whose legislation and politics are extremely profit-oriented.... oh.
We'll adapt
It will happen in less than 5 years. Currently forensic experts can distinguish between real and fake stuff, so as long as you can afford to hire forensic experts, you're safe 😞
oh that's a black mirror episode fr
Yo I’ve seen like 2 dozen different explanations for how the burning really happened. You can’t all be right😭
nononono you see the burning was caused by my bud johnny accidentally flicking a cigarette butt into the library
@@Sir_Platypus_VIIu suck balls
@@Sir_Platypus_VII this has no likes because it is the real truth. You might not wake up tomorrow
Hi there. Contrary to popular belief the Libary of Alexandria was actually burned down and rebuilt several times (I think it was almost 10 separate occasions for completely different reasons) and every time it was burned the scribes of and states of the region would come together with their personal copies and building materials and rebuild and replenish the archive. This continued until the local government, during a time of crisis, could no longer bear the cost of rebuilding the Libary. So the last time it was burned to the ground they postponed its reconstruction to "later" which eventually became "never". The archive was never replenished, and scribes in the region never collected their works leading to a slow atrophy of written works due to personal archives being sold, lost to obscurity, or destroyed due to lack of maintenance.
It wasn't the fire that cost the world the Libary of Alexandria it was the apathy of its lost that made it stay dead.
In this way, AI generated content is similar. The destruction of quality art will only happen if artists stop making stuff in lieu of AI generation. If you want to survive the onslaught. Keep. Making. Stuff.
Even if it's easier to write a prompt. Even if you get 11 views and 2 likes. Even if shitty AI art outperforms you with quantity. Artistry dies when artist give up. When YOU give up. So don't give up.
@@edgytarian3332 artistry will die when NON artist people like you will use AI instead of commissioning artists. artists will always make art, the problem is surviving and making money off of it. the responsibility is on the general people too.
The answer is to move back to small dedicated communities, where people can just ban bots when they see them. The good ending to the internet is that the giant centralised social media will die under the deluge of bots talking to other bots and people move back to forums and irc channels.
Photoshop existed since 1990, and the society hasn't collapsed. Literally everything said about ai art could (and was, im old, i was there) be said about photoshop.
The old internet is dead, sure. The new internet, is still eating it's corpse.
that’s one hell of a visual…
@@thatstockin I instantly thought of that one Greek painting of the crazed eye guy eating a corpse .
@@JcoleMc Kronos?
@@JcoleMc the guy eating his son?
@@zaloskog That sounds like it .
I wouldn't say marginalization of organic human activity is the goal, it's likely just a byproduct of people using bots for their own gains not considering any long-term consequences
Also the original theory gives me heavy vibes of the monologue from the end of metal gear solid 2, lol
He actually references it in the post lol
@@rusland9 Kojima, what a man you are
Early in the internet in the late 90s/early00s, there were a lot of little websites like geocities, small websites, chatrooms, there was no real censorship. Now all of those chatrooms are gone, access to fringe sites are gone.
I've noticed this happening with search results. I don't really use any social media, but SEO, bot articles, and what I can only describe as fake websites have made searching for any actual information or answers from real people steadily more annoying for about 5 years. It's to the point now where I don't see anything that seems like real human information on the first 3 pages. After that I type "reddit" at the end or something, and finally get real people.
Yes, exactly this. For me it started gradually, adding reddit only sometimes. Now I add reddit for almost everything and the times I don't I scroll the results till I find reddit. Google has become unusable, trying to find an actual result there is just a waste of time. Discussion forums like reddit or the steam community seem to be the best sources of help... for now...
As a TF2 fan, you made a great comparison taking the game's bot crisis as a parallel for the Dead Internet Theory. And that really makes me think, wouldn't the Dead Internet just start cannibalizing itself? I mean AI can only feed on what is given to it. If bots get so predominant on the internet, they would eventually start interacting more with each other than with real people. Imagine a feedback loop where bots just feed each other the same information over and over again...
Haha, great comment! I love thinking about bots slowly replacing people and cannibalizing themselves. That is in fact the final goal! We need to feed off other scripts to keep up to date! :D
(But Christ. Imagine a poor researcher looking at AI generated replies and trying to detangle the ouroboros it formed... Would they think we were this brain dead?)
@@Casterisks they would probably think we were brain dead even if they looked at the internet from the beginning
@@mythicl2961 Well, the earlier internet did have a logic to it- although thin. Bots simply don’t understand human intricacies leaving their words sounding… hollow.
There are plenty of articles about AI poisoning itself. Try searching for "AI-Generated Data Can Poison Future AI Models".
The gist of it is exactly as you said: a feedback loop of AI training on AI generated data. It causes the outputs to degrade a little with each iteration eventually becoming meaningless.
I think that AI training will move to using curated data sets rather than scraping data indiscriminately from the web. Unless someone figures out a way to filter out AI generated data from the web data.
Keeping up the TF2 comparison, bots in TF2 flag eachother so even if they are on opposite teams they won't shoot eachother and only focus on ruining the game for real players.
So, in this idea of AI cannibalizing itself, that assumes AI agents won't be able to recognize or silently communicate with other AI agents.
I wanted to add that I’ve definitely seen at least a dozen bots in games of overwatch that appeared to be learning from an algorithm, but you could still tell that they were bots. They walk only in certain lines, purposefully aim off their shots to not look suspicious, and seem to have good coordination but they are 100% a robot based on their movements. It makes me wonder if this is an amateur hobbyist or blizzard themselves filling in spots, and how widespread this could be across all games
Most games have bots to fill up spots. It’s not just a overwatch thing. Also it’s more of a skill based matchmaking thing.
@@soapgaming4903 i dont think theres supposed to be user built AI playing in masters-grandmasters lobbies
@@hexmaniac It could also be that there’s just not enough players that can play in those lobbies
@@soapgaming4903oh
Give it a few years (if that), and every online game will be riddled with them. I see them all the time in mobile/free-to-play games.
Wow, watching this video really makes you stop and think about the state of the internet today. It's crazy to see how much bots and AI have infiltrated our online spaces, from generating images to even trying to engage in conversations on social media. It's definitely concerning how this could impact the authenticity of online content and interactions. We need to be more aware of what we're seeing and sharing online to combat this growing issue. Thanks for shedding light on this important topic! #DeadInternetTheory #AIInvasion 🤖🌐
been pondering this orb for years bro thanks for breaking it down for everyone
lost backups and broken/scrapped servers, "soft errors", data loss by faulty- and modern coding, has taken a huge toll of the original internet
@2ndPeterVBlack lots and lots of people miss the original content
@2ndPeterVBlack todays content is made to kill time and distract
Once there was a failure with my MEGA server that wiped out all the information I had there, 5 years worth of pictures, videos, documents, save files from games, all pictures of my dog where there, the video of my youngest sibling saying his first words, the save file from my first Pokemon Diamond playthrough, everything, just gone in a moment.
@@ThyFloorestFloor the "digital revolution" is crumbling before our eyes
You can safely assume most sites are infested with bot nowadays. There's still humans, but a lot of content is just autogenerated
I'm glad I've experienced 15+ years of internet before its collapse, it'll help in a post algorythm alternative.
I appreciate that you differentiated good/mundane bots like the ones that fetch search results and stuff from the mimicking, internet killing bots that video is about. Typically in dead internet related videos they use the "70% of the internet is bots" as a big shock number without establishing that only 30% of that is the bad kind
Hey, I’ve been recently playing TF2 actually. You know how you said that people put bots without any incentive? The incentive is that the bots spam messages about buying „protection” from the bots themselves. Here’s how it works:
1. Pay the „protection fee” 2. The bots don’t join servers where you are in. This however creates a loop, even if you buy the „protection” some other bots will still be joining since you only bought „protection” from this guys’ bots. Great video bro, I don’t really know what to do about this and if there even is something we can do.
Have u seen the facebook posts? They only keep posting AI pictures of popular keywords such as: Jesus, African, Trash, Sand, Sea, etc. And all the posts, no matter how irrational and obviously fake. Get alot of traffick. EVERY. SINGLE. COMMENT. Says Amen! Or a sort of it.
I personally think its just AI talking with eachother and boosting eachother.
Facebook is the worst for it right now and the boomers are just fallimg for it
The AI probably can't differentiate or it probably Intentional to boost its popularity so people can see it among the mess. I've seen it a lot recently and it's really worrying.
Amen! 🙌
The fact you have views ironically proves the theory wrong if I posted it would it have the same views or would I stay at 0 views and none of you are real and I'm the only one
EVEN MORE INSANE! some of these people admit it they gain around $3000 just by posting these shittiest AI
With the “government controlling information through misinformation” gave me chills and made a pit in my stomach cause it made me realize that Hideo Kojima was right
jesus bro
It's pretty scary that unhinged spy thriller is able to predict future to a certain degree.
No bipedal mechs yet tho, and that's lame
@@UselessZero theres that one mech being built, and you can in fact hide in cardboard boxes irl
There are evidences of russia manipulation the us election through bots. Its way more likely that authoritarian countries will do it so watch out what yall vote for and dont fall into far rights traps.
I realized that back in 2020.
fun fact a principal from a high school near me almost got fired bc an ai audio of them saying racist stuff was released (pikesville HS in baltimore county, for those wondering)
the thing about twitter ai bots is that blue checkmarks get paid real money for their interactions, which of course lead to a massive increase in spam bots
brooooo that tf2 comparison got me sad I spent so long playing that game and it's just ruined now.
The bot users are such lame people. It's a really good game but nah people have to ruin it
tf2 is on life support and valve does nothings :I
@@princeCustos324 well, tf2 is still beating it's inline peaks and even through there's bots, they normally sit on a few servers, and on others they just being insta kicked
nah its fine the tf2 community is so insufferable
@@peopleperson
Damn, the internet got the solipsism update
Unfortunate. I was really hoping it would have been spared 😓
Great and informative video. Insane production quality for such a "small" channel, I can't wait to see you blow up. Definetely earned a new sub!
Another thing I personally noticed, is that alot of domains that sound popular are just dead. Like cat world, which died around late 2017 to early 2018.
The library of Alexandria is always a bad example for this. Yes it burnt down. But it caught fire and was raided in wars before that multiple times. By the time it was actually destroyed, supposedly most of the important texts were copied over centuries of it being open. It was even in decline and not funded properly by the time it finally burnt down for good. We didn’t lose 1,000 years of knowledge and it sure wasn’t regarded as “the capital of human knowledge” after around 50 bc - 260 ad.
Fascinating theory! It's mind-boggling to consider the extent of AI influence online. Exploring the implications of this theory could shed light on our digital landscape's complexity.
Why does this comment sound AI-generated? 🤨
@@vlc-cosplayerit either is or it’s just a very generic comment
@@vlc-cosplayer digital landscape's complexity. word salad
@@sunkintreebuzzword haha
Satire is not dead, we are.
Every time I log onto Twitter I am reminded of the Dead Internet Theory. More then half the time I doubt I'm talking to an actual real person. It's really depressing that bots have more of a say than actual humans in regards to politics on there
In short, "We were so preoccupied with whether or not we could that we didnt stop to think whether we should"
Governments gaslighting the population is like the LEAST sketchy-sounding part of this.
Anyone with a calcified pineal gland can figure that one out
pretty sure all of those bots on twitter and tf2 are just the ai equivalent of test dummies; what's learned from those bot accounts are going to help the next generation improve. great video, if slightly terrifying
Yikes!
TF2 bots ain't learning shit my G, they literally just use training bot path navigation and aimbot hacks + spam. Every new bot type is the same just with different pre-made chat messages
lol yeah those bots aren't learning shit, but the people running them are. even if they are run for the shits and grins, eventually, those assholes will want to figure out how to make more annoying bots
Something i noticed on twitter (which i only use to follow online artists that don't have accounts on other social media), is that 90% of the comments under any video is just... random unrelated posts? If you go under any comment section on twitter under any post, you'll see people posting completely unrelated things, usually a brainrot video or a 'wholesome' clip of animals or something like that. And the resposes to those posts never feel human, they seem way too robotic to be made by actual people. Its getting extremely annoying how it seems that social media is becoming a space full of bots replying to other bots
I've noticed that too, under news posts especially, often it seems there are more bots than real people. Facebook has become essentially unusuable, it doesn't even show me stuff from people and groups I follow, stopped using it because of that
there's going to be a vigilante that steals the information about how the bots make art and then produces a program that scans content and reverse engineers to figure out what's AI
Nightshade
not a vigilante, since thats not illegal. just a hero.
@@cheemsdrip7478 I didn't know there were legal ways to take the learning information from an AI
@@Millticker I stand corrected. Still a heroic act in my opinion
@@cheemsdrip7478 Legal doesn't mean good. Illegal doesn't mean evil. Very much a heroic act.
When searching for images on Google, I'm starting to put the "-ai" tag there. It decently filters out the AI slop and puts it lower on the image columns, but it's not perfect.
it frustrates me to no end whenever my dad tries to convince me to use ai in my 3d art and i try to explain that using ai in any final capacity would take most if not all intention out of whatever i use it on. it’s so important for artists to have their intention on any piece to be shown on full display. that’s what makes generative ai not art. it can look pretty but it’s not art.
he is very business minded so he gives me a look into the mind of those scummy ceo types we all loathe that only look at the numbers on a creative product.
i just got a potential offer to be an 3d rendering art director on a huge massive ginormous project that i would never have gotten if i used ai in my last project for a client. the fact that i was able to accidentally create such an accurate model of a facility that the client thought i was giving away trade secrets would never have happened if i used ai.
Best of luck!
Literally me and my brother, i design cars and he keeps insisting i should scam people with ai generated stuff for a quick buck.
Like, just do it yvVourself and be the grifter of the family lol
I'm glad that you got your position from your hard work
But if a model gets good enough your job will be managing that models output in the future
It's great that you can do what you do, but if the AI can do 60 crap finals and 9 good ones in the time it will take you to be 1/2 way through your process than what
Even if you're amazing the cost of you will surely be too much If you get even better than what?
There's no reason to use both, just because you don't believe in it does not stop the fact that it will take over. Don't hinder yourself with your own hubris that you are better than ai.
It'll catch up, it can learn from you, when everyone is used to ai generated content. Will your content ever be truly appreciated as more and more individuals learn less the art and more the end product
Why hinder yourself for pursuit of art? When art itself is an abstract concept
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@iAmLufa The fact you have views ironically proves the theory wrong if I posted it would it have the same views or would I stay at 0 views and none of you are real and I'm the only one
Also, human history has shown how resilient we are as a species whenever faced with a problem. However, when faced with such issues we are always REACTIVE, never PROACTIVE.
22:59 It's not the ocean being polluted with oil. The entire ocean is oil, and the remaining humans left on the web is the sea water that is just barely on the verge of being completely taken over.
The whole Library of Alexandria burning overnight thing is a myth btw
I thought it actually happened, even Plutarch has mentioned it in his 'life of Caesar'. I could be wrong though
Has anybody ever stopped to think that "hey, maybe books made out of natural materials probably don't last for multiple centuries"?
You're wrong, FBI bot.
Nor did we loose anything "important to humanity' unless you consider old tax records to be "world changing" lol In all actuality, the fire was actually a short boon for the library- considering the Academia of the time was "purged" from Alexandria about 100 years before it burned down lol
@@kylecolley7294and even "ancient tax records" have been able to teach us things about history. What was being sold? How many? By whom? This may seem trivial to you or I, but it may not be so to an experienced archaeologist.
I look forward to the AI generated CZcams video about Dead Internet Theory.
Full circle.
Hell yeah dawg
altho evenw ithout the AI were still getting lots brainrot content., is it the AI causing the brainrot or is it the more brainrot WE make the more IT consumes and then it spits out brainrot till all it dose is brainrot? like some good examples of AI could be like minecraft's world generation, bad AI can also use minecraft 2020 april fools snapshot AI generated worlds, even if its not an atual "AI" it still in the case, is a computer generating something "AI" or "not"
I’ve actually heard a lot of people saying they were approached to be a TikTok actor and portray a certain lifestyle and I’m convinced many people are doing this.
There was an r6siege youtuber named "Srdlybadgamer" that one day vanished from the internet along with his friend "Unidamonster". I have both added in PSN
This video is making me question every online interaction I have ever had or am yet to have
This is why i don’t waste time with anonymous people
Most of the time I feel like I'm talking to NPC's... maybe I am..
@@SkawarsXE even if they are real. there is a high likelyhood they're so programed by bots they're saying the same thing. I think the only way we can fight it is just using massive grammatical errors.
I feel like I'm also AI now😂
How do I know you aren't ai hmmmmmm?
The ugly voice
@@iAmLufa lmao jokes aside great video
@2ndPeterVBlack I've been wondering how do we know we're not just extremely sophisticated androids?
@2ndPeterVBlack I mean in the sense that our physiology is so advanced and sophisticated that it would be nearly indistinguishable from a true organism. I think about artificial intelligence all the time, and wonder if the development of an artificial super intelligence would be a solution to the Fermi Paradox.
I can say the nword.
This kinda explains why i cant find any useable gifs on google anymore. I thought i was going crazy
At 19:53 I was looking at the "real" photo thinking it looked like AI. I really started to doubt myself haha. Thanks for the laugh!
We should make a NEW Internet with NO A.I NO Twitter and NOOO monetization
This was just a joke I swear lmao
where is everyone going to hate for no reason if there is no twitter
Agreed no rules either just a mute system
@@redwiltshire1816 sounds like a recipe for failure if you ask me
@@flowerthencrranger3854 you definitely didn’t use the internet in its golden era then
The Outernet
you know this is gonna be an interesting video when it starts with the "library of alexandria burning set humanity back to centuries" - one of the biggest lies ever told ; debunked by many historians of diverse background again and again
"hearted" by the video maker 🤦♂
@@SpahGaming many comment sections are moderated by bots sometimes
Fun fact, ironically the library of Alexandria actually didn’t cause the loss of almost anything. The library was holding essentially ONLY copies and reproductions. The originals were stored at other libraries. Therefore the loss of the library of Alexander was actually…. Not a loss. Like a few originals were stored there but it was a very small percentage of the contents.
Dead Internet takes places in all types of online communities. It so crazy how something like the online games you used to play, or the online stories you used to hear, have drastically and noticeably strayed from their original online identity. All for or because of an entity that’s probably completely divorced from the original idea.
This is going to be a long comment. People probably won't read, but if you got time bear with me
yknow, the funny thing about this whole thing is that I can see it fixing itself in time. The timeline is:
1. Everyone was on small niecher websites and forums, leading to interesting and highly in depth conversation about interesting nieches
2. Social media has become an enormous entity on the internet. People rathered the social spehere of everyone in the same place rather than spread out, plus the novelty at the time of seeing what your friends or family or celebrities were doing on a day to day basis was interesting for some time leading to smaller areas to discuss aforementioned nieches.
3. Everyone in the same place lead to massive sources of revenue through advertising data acquisition companies.
4. Everyone in the same place meant that every single opinion held by different groups was broadcast in the same space leading to conflict, which also led to more attention/interaction and more money for the corporations hosting these sites
5. More attention meant anybody looking for attention would be doing so on these big sites as there's so much going on you cant track everything all the time.
Now we have a situation where everyone is together with no common uniting philosophy, credo,ideology or interests. Everything feels sanitised and specifically made for nobody because it's made to encompass everybody and to make things worse A.I. and bots that have been specifically made to fit into these spaces are now doing so and nobody is happy.
Its like having a punk bar, gay bar, country bar and a biker bar all in one town, now some new businessman comes along and all of the celebrities and gossip in the town is going to this new super fancy bar.
The country guys hear zac brown is playing there, so they go.
The bikers hear lynyrd skynyrd is playing, so they go.
The gays hear sam smith is playing, so they go.
The Punks hear the Ramones are playing so they go.
For a little while, everyone is having a good time. Long enough, all the other bars shut down. Now, the only bar in town is this one, but everybody is getting fed up with everyone elses act and they arent fond of the other groups, people are getting pushed into each others shows and fights keep happening and theres a few people from the factions who keep stirring problems with the other factions the bouncers are busy trying to kick them out. Now theres new people coming in who dont really seem like people but the bouncers cant kick them all out and its hard to tell the difference sometimes but if you wanna go out this is the only place to go.
Eventually I think everyones gonna get fed up and start opening up their own little bars again. The bouncers can handle the customers because the whole town is not in these new bars, and there's not so much fighting so they can focus on these weirdos wearing skin suits. The country guys can pass the punk rock guys in the street, and its no problem because they dont have to see one another every night, and the problem resolves itself.
I think we may be reaching the point where the convenience of having everything in one place wont be worth it and people will take the hastle of going back to the "bars" made for them.
I hope you're right.
I didn't read all of that but you're cooking for sure
I want you to be right so bad. I hope it goes back to that.
I hope you’re right, it sounds so lovely
What an amazing analogy. I really appreciate the thought and attention you put into it, and how consistent it is.
However, I'm scared that people will just choose to frequent different rooms of the same bar. OR that the bar owners have enough pull to muscle-out the competition of other bars opening up. Can you even open up new establishments without the town closing you down with endless citations? Because businesses dont want you playing certain music without permission. This isn't the wild west anymore where you could escape the law.
Anyway, I firmly believe the desire is there. Many people crave that niche, they just don't know where to buy the property to build it on.
The Library of Alexandria had multiple instances of it burning, it wasn’t all in one night.
I think that's why he speaks about it as a story and metaphor. If we're being totally historically accurate I think a lot of modern historians agree the knowledge lost with the library was probably negligible. But that people latched onto the idea shows how much value information has.
@@mattparsons2045 Really? I didn’t know that the common view was that it was a negligible amount of information. That’s good to hear I gues
Yes
Dead Internet Theory is a wake-up call about the impermanence of our digital world. It makes us question how much of our online presence will endure and what legacy we're leaving behind. It's a reminder to cherish and preserve our digital heritage for future generations.
imagine when you have to differentiate between a real life human vs a robot built to resemble a human body and acts similar to one
for the sole reason to gather direct info from individuals
I ate some pan dulce to this video.
I, a gen Z young adult, only was able to have free access to the internet around 2016ish. I never was able to experience the internet in its “prime freedom” in 2007 and like times since I was a literal infant. I’m only left to wonder what I missed, and if it really was as different people older than me claim it was. The internet is access to infinite knowledge, and restrictions to it mostly cause us harm in one way or another. But even then that infinite knowledge is restricted. I instantly think of that one minecraft world with thousands of books imported that were banned in countries, in order to allow people access to them. How long until places like these begin to disappear as well? I am worried for the future of the internet, because of how corporations and governments may continue to dwindle the size of the internet into a more controllable pulp- how they will control us.
Yo lets go the pan dulce and existential horror combo
... just imagine your internet was slower and browse YTMND for a few hours. You've missed nothing you can't just catch up on.
You missed a lot. The internet was so much better before because it was waaaay less crowded and there was infinite freedom. Pre-social media internet in the early 2000's was the peak of the internet. We'll sadly never go back to those days. I could write an entire book about the old internet and all the wonders and horrors that you could experience. The internet really was the new frontier until the government and corporations took over. When corporations take something over, it becomes mainstream and then they bring all the "normies" over to something that was once niche and it gets tainted and loses what makes it special. I could rant for hours about this so I'll just leave it at this for now. Maybe I need to make a video about this subject myself?
I'm with you, and it's absolutely true. You should definitely make a video about it to preserve the time.
I was a teenager in the 2000's. The internet was beautiful for a time, then like all things under capitalism: the most powerful corporations eventually consolidated market shares and shut down most if not all of their competition though backroom non compete deals and mergers.
Google used to show accurate results. There used to be hundreds of thousands, possibly millions of websites each with their own unique contents, games, videos, archives.
I remember I used to like The Escapist and I would tune in every Thursday to listen to Zero Punctuation and the Jimquisition rip apart the games of week: but eventually the Escapist stopped uploading videos on their website and just consolidated their video presence on youtube.
If you wanted to watch videos or follow a creator you would often go to their website instead of a video sharing platform.
The early internet was rough and unpolished. It didn't feel like every company was using endless scrolling loops and algorithms to game your attention. Websites felt clunky, but warm. I still remember the earliest version of funnyjunk, when the web page was still green.
Maybe it's better you didn't see the prime of the internet: you cant be disappointed if all you've known is disappointment from day one.
Something about this reminds me of the expansion of the universe.
We've all heard the theory that in the far future, the expansion of spacetime will cause objects that are not closely together to drift apart, until all you will be able to see in the night sky is your own galaxy (because all other objects will be receding faster than they attract) until it's only your local neighborhood of stars, until it's only your own star, until even your own molecules will begin to come apart.
It's sort of like that. It's not that there are fewer people on the internet, it's that the bots are outpacing normal humans. If there's a million bots for every thousand humans, you're gonna see a thousand bots for each human. It starts with big online forums, but you think known, smaller creators are safe... until they begin using it too, because it's convenient, and everyone else does it, so why not? Then it begins to intrude into smaller groups, then it comes for local groups, until it's so ubiquitous you can't even find your friends any more in an ocean of digital garbage. You can hide from it by exclusively engaging online with even close friends, but really, it's delusional to think those spaces will be safe forever. Eventually they'll be monetized, too, and that means bringing people apart in favor of AI.
Unless we stop it.
Edit: This also applies to lost media... in the sense that media is not more likely to get lost now than it was 20 years ago, but that the more media there is, the less likely it is that any given piece of media has been saved and stored in a retrievable fashion. The amount of lost media will simply continue to outpace extant media simply because media becomes more likely to be lost the more time passes. Islands of content, or indeed of people, drifting further and further apart in a sea of nothingness.
I suddenly feel very, very alone.
You got me good with: “internet user experience” xDDDDD
And now vine memes are now ai generated and tf2 is still full of bots... It sucks that the future is looking bleak and i might aswell find an alternative of internet
Those vines are freaky
It really does come down to the type of people that use open AI.
Not only should there be AI filters all over the internet,
but some kind of reference to the person that instructed the AI to begin with.
Users and AI will find a way around these filters but we can at least create legislation
and enforce it before it gets out of hand.
There is also the issue of the economy.
Once AI is perfected, only physical jobs will be available.
Anything that requires logic, an AI can do faster and cheaper.
Anything that requires muscle, a slave can do faster and cheaper.
Corporation profits will be at their peak.
Everyone else will be at their weakest.
Violence becomes the only way to get a response.
It's a shame that something that was meant to better humanity just isn't compatible at the moment.
Basically we're entering Cyberpunk 2077. It's only a matter of time before the US Military is privatized as a corporation, and Japan once more becomes an economic superpower.
And consumerism will keep us pacified.
27:24 TF2 botters make money by selling "bot immunity", basically telling their bots to not target you by your SteamID. I'm not sure if it's a scam or if they actually do what it says, but I don't trust the botters at all.
In TF2's case, Valve added a restriction to free to play accounts, where you have to purchase something from the ingame store to use communication features.
However, bots still micspam loud music and spam in chat links to buy their bot immunity, this is because the botters will buy something cheap from the ingame store on all the bot accounts to get around it. I assume it's funded by the aforementioned bot immunity, and that there are enough annoyed players buying it for there to be a profit.
I get my info from a youtuber named Toofty who interviewed one of the infamous bot hosts, btw
yea the whole you need to buy something to use something that should be free for "bots" is just an escuse to make money, rich botters can bot as much as they want, which works in favor for the company. bot immunity is probbaly like you give them so much money (valve) in this case. like few 1000s a months which peaople seem to somehow just have like ciggerettes.
even if they dont target you its still a scam. the intention is for you to not have to deal with bots at all so for an outside party to come in and flood the servers with bots and advertise bot immunity still makes it a scam.
i went to the last blockbuster once, it hit me with a massive wave a nostalgia of the stuff i used to buy from there, i remember when i sometimes snuck out of my house during saturdays and browsed the store with my friends. its sad that this will mostly be forgotten like an old book in a library, truly the best chapter of my life (talking from my lil bro's account, my laptop has been confiscated for a while)
My god i've never seen someone handgesture with a mic before at least not online.
I always felt like attribuing everything bad to people wanting to make money is missing the point.
its not like there are no people who just want to do bad things, even if it costs them.
That’s what I’m saying
@@iAmLufayes it is.
should have watched the video further before writing this.
but it means we came to the same conclusion
Its hard to spend your energy just on "bad things" without anything in return. You'll get tired pretty quickly.
I feel a big problem is the over-abundance of content turns the human users into just consumers without creating which compounds the problem further
It’s at the point I feel even the majority of comments I see are all bots
I always think about how when I was growing up they'd always say "surfing the web" and you could just find random shit so easy now it's just I visit the same 6 sites and don't surf the web. I also remember y2k for computers.
The third city with the largest amount of users on Reddit was Eglin air force base. When they realized the mistake they took the page down but it's still up on the way back machine. Idk why you think it's a conspiracy theory that the government is doing an enormous amount of bot posting, but it definitely is
There was data saying the most updates on Wikipedia had come from Washington DC.
Another absolutely god tier video and take! I appreciate the tone switch up. I can feel the thought and feeling that went into this video like all of usual content despite it being a bit different. 10/10! You were 100% built for this (not in a bot way). Content like this makes it worth combing through the bots. Thanks again, Lufa!!!
Thank you so much!! I try to make every video unique, reading your comments is the best part🫂
You're so underated! 70 view as I speak, but this should have millions. Everyone should be aware of this problem. Greetings from France 👏
Thank you so much :) Wonderful country
Ive been kind of wondering this lately. As I've noticed it seems harder to reach actual real human anywhere anymore except on tiktok. The internet feels so empty and lonely despite the fact that it SHOULD be robust and overwhelmingly populated due to us having more people now than ever, with more generations on it. Idk. I figured the gov was isolating our feeds to be more localized or something
the whole ai image/video progress reminds me of one of the lines from the ending song of portal 1
"we do what we must because we can'
How tf does this only have 500 views
Super underrated stuff man really love this video
It’s cause CZcams doesn’t know what audience to show it to lol. But this comment makes the video worth it!
Enjoyed this video .. and it is strange because I am really trying to take nostalgia out of the internet and how it used to make people
Who were a bit strange, or like into alternative stuff like bands and music could easily meet people, even using MySpace, yahoo chat, forums ect.. and you would actually become friends in real life. In 2005-2008 I was in a small band called the Tommys .. and like many other bands at the time, we were able to directly (with a lot of work and making a spreadsheet) contact people who actually enjoyed the band, we were playing 5-7 nights a week. Now you can’t get anyone to listen to your music without paying ad’s that only receive bots replying. It’s extremely disheartening. Major labels are clearing and have been using bots for followers, comments and streams for years.
This is why I tend to distrust new "people" on the internet these days more and more.
Twitter bots get used for stock and crypto pump and dumps. But their makers gotta try them to make sure they work before they can use them for their intended purpose.
are those comments of "my farts smell better than farts" comments bots? and what is the point of that anyway just immaturity? i mean i say funny things but its jsut same thing over and over?
I've gotten a couple of online friends who just up and vanished. it's terrifying.
It's about to happen to me too man and get this the fucking wealthy elites are all in uniforms and they get to fuck shit up sadistically and make it seem like you just went crazy and disappeared. Fuck wild man.
do you know if they took the 2021 2020 jab? if they did, they are possible gone.
I am concerned about A.I. developing in such ways as to make it indistinguishable who is alive and who is deceased, not only who is real and who is fake. Good video, Lufa!
If you think about it this might lead to a mini reset eventually where most people of a generation or two get chased off by all the bot and fake bull and stop using internet for a while resulting in bots getting used less which would result in the next generation slowly adopting the reset version. Which would be hope fully better cause only the passionate and dedicated content creators and conversationalists were developing things during that slow time.
Another interesting part of this is how easily it will proliferate, consider that these bots will reply to a flat percentage of any post, then consider that the bot replies themselves will be a percentage of these posts. If you just do the quick math, the greater the percentage of AI posts made, the more AI replies that will then be made to these AI posts. It will create an endless cycle of bot slop conversations.