The AI Revolution is Rotten to the Core
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- čas přidán 21. 05. 2024
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GPT2 Says: Jimmy McGee's new CZcams video , "Tall, skinny, and fast : The story of the man who invented a new kind of shoe," is here! The video features many quotes from other people 's opinions about Jimmy 's shoe, but also reveals some personal thoughts about the man himself, especially his own shoes.
No idea why the audio is so bad for the first 15 minutes. I have five cheap mics instead of one good one, they just do whatever they want. It gets really good after that though.
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00:00:00 Spoiler Warning
00:00:20 Minecraft Odyssey - Exploring Gameplay Systems Chronologically
00:03:39 AI is not magic
00:09:09 AI is not free
00:15:10 AI is not going away
00:30:00 AI is not creative
00:42:53 AI is not intelligent
00:50:28 AI is not objective
01:04:24 AI is another cruel algorithm - Zábava
something's wrong with my copy of minecraft
People asked for it, so here's the music from my videos:
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_"People asked for it, so here's the music from my videos"_
AWW YEAH!!!
bought the album, thanks for the great stuff
Oof, that was a HUGE gap between "free-er the market - free-er the people" and the socialist message at the end. I honestly thought you had a political schizophrenia with "we should regulate the market, but free market is actually better, as my [totally not government enforced] mantra says". Good job man! Really hq vid you got there.
@@user-eq1rn1lr9m your listening comprehension is so faulty lmfao. Wanna share time stamps of parts you feel contradict each other ?
@@user-eq1rn1lr9m bruh
_"The irony that we're automating the production of art instead of the jobs everybody hates shouldn't be lost on us."_ the fact that I and all my cynicism didn't cath this 'til you said it, leaves me feeling all different kinds of bad
To be fair I think those jobs that we dont like are the ones that most of the population are employed in so if all of a sudden they wanted automate all the unwanted jobs people would be in uproar under the threat of unemployment by automation. But I dont think people will care very much if its just a sliver of the job market thats being automated such as artist , this is also compounded by the fact that more people benifit from ai art than some higher ups that benifit from making somthing like autonomous machine that makes production more efficient.
For the average person using AI to make art I suspect it's a kind of creative expression they didn't feel able to indulge in before. Art is hard and I've known many people who've given up on it. I don't hold AI use against these folks.
On the other hand, people and companies who are using AI to save a buck and cut out artists? Fuck them. It's already difficult enough to support yourself making art.
It's almost like full automation is an unrealistic sci fi meme and this video never actually talks about that aspect other than stating stuff that everyone already knows and getting angry at generated images as if the ai is taking away jobs from creators (its not).
Really, so long as a robot cannot even fold a piece of fabric that is given to it, something that proves to be exceptionally hard to do, a chimp will be more useful in a factory than an AI.
Looks like we are all just going to have to keep struggling in this process we call life like our ancestors before us. Maybe that's not so bad.
@@dreyri2736but It is taking jobs from creators, there already book covers who have been done by a human previously and now are AI generated, brand design, anime backgrounds, commissioned art, there already stories of people training Ai on the Art of an artists the previously commissioned and in the future it will take more jobs, specially entry level jobs, I agree there probably won't be a fully outmated future any time soon, but automation always have a downside and people often struggle to pivot and sometimes can't after their jobs are outomated out of existence and capitalists are always trying to increase their profits, so if they can fire some employees to cut cost even if AI isn't perfect, they will do it, they already done with most of phone and online costumer service and it's awful.
I'm alarmed by this use of "cath" as a verb that I haven't previously come across.
"The fact that I and all my cynicism didn't"... catheter this? What?
I'm a huge AI skeptic, and as a software engineer, that's not an easy line to walk. The best sell that I've seen for AI, is that it will function as a copilot for all the shitty, high time consumption, low impact tasks we need to accomplish on our day to day. It shouldn't take away anyone's job, it should give them ability to focus on more meaningful aspects of their job.
When you examine that more closely, you realize that it means that AI is going to take away the jobs of low level employees, that need to start off as basic, entry level people and work their way up to challenging, advanced problems. Where will this leave the industry in 20 years, when the junior count has declined so drastically that there will be no supply of expert level people? Is the bottom line more important than helping someone grow as a professional and enriching society as a whole? Rhetorical question, obviously the answer is yes.
It sucks, on a personal level, to have to walk between raindrops to avoid unethical, shitty high tech companies. Even companies that try to make the world a better place might end up doing it in the wrong way.
I never understood this criticism of A.I. I mean farm equipment replaced 90% of farmhands but I don't think people are complaining about tractors
@@playerslotavailable3810 I don't see any industry growing in terms of demand to such a huge scope that it'll allow the current amount of jobs to stay the same while also providing massive automation tools. It's just not the same as farming, which needed to be automated to allow for humanity to survive in scale.
@@KyfowThe printing press.
@@sxnorthrop Do you really think that there will be such a massive increase in demand for production, that it'd go in line with the increased productivity that'll happen in the AI revolution? I just don't see it. I'll be happy to be proven wrong.
@@Kyfow I think I may have misunderstood your original point. I thought we were comparing technology that created a staggering transition in the economy due to it's demand. That, if looked at consistently, would show that society had a very short "grief" period for the countless lost jobs and livelihoods of illuminators and copyists (binders, bookmakers, etc.). Same will be true for ML (in my opinion). That being said there's really not enough data for anyone to make a confident assertion that ML will have the same or comparable impact. I was simply providing a hypothetical comparison to something that showed that the "bottom line [was] more important than helping someone grow as a professional and enriching society as a whole [through creative expression]", and yet today we don't think twice about how it affected multiple generations of people who experienced turmoil as a result. Every pivotal moment in history has some groundbreaking technology or discovery that was never thought possible before and it mostly ends up just making us better at what we already did before (not commenting on whether that's right or wrong ethically).
TL;DR, I'm using a past example, not a current. The printing press is a perfect example of technology that destroyed lots of livelihoods (and was driven forward in-part by 'money hungry business moguls') but we don't care about it at all. It created a shift in society comparable to something like the AI revolution would create.
"In a free market, when something bad happens to you, you have to be punished". Spot on.
where in the video does it say that
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@@snail64 1:06:50
In a non-free market, when everything is normal you have to be punished.
@@hollyjaw3303 in a society driven by money you have to be punished
Somebody pointed out that AI is perfectly tuned to appeal to the "idea guy", you know, the obnoxious person who says hey, I have an idea for a book, how about you write it, and we split the money? He values the writer's work so little that he thinks you're going to give him half the money after you do absolutely all the labor to make his pedestrian idea real. AI finally gives him the slave he's always wanted, or promises to, and it's a big reason why the uptake has been so swift, despite the AI being pretty bleh at most things.
you just managed to formulate my thoughts for me (which considering the topic, is ironic)
this has always been bothering me, as there's plenty of people with ideas, but very few who actually take the time to implement them, and even less people
who learn to implement them better with each iteration.
that same thought process also explains why its so popular.
Pretty much every AI bro I've met on the internet so far was an idea guy. And it's funny how they flip flop between "this will make artists' skills irrelevant" and "this proompt took skil, praise me"
@@vaiyt Exactly 😂 I've prompted for hours, im a true artist
But that's exactly how eNtRePrNeUrShIp works. U have an "idea" and a bunch of money to make ppl make sth actually useful out of it, then pocket most of the profit. The ideas bro has only one thing that separates him from the Elon Musks of the world: he's not already a millionaire.
If George Lucas had AI, would the prequel trilogy have turned out better? 🤔
The future is bland.
its already been bland tbh, seen those ugly 2010s gray on gray interior design styles or those hideous 60s concrete british council towers? but i feel like even if ai takes over artists will still prevail, its not a simple industry like many other lost positions, its a exhibition of someones creativity.
David Firth speaking nothing but facts
Well at least you've got your rusty spoons.
David fifth 😂😂😂😂
And spoonless
The AI therapy tool/friend/girlfriend stuff really gets to me. Our most fundamental needs are being exploited at every angle.
I genuinely never thpught there were many people THIS desperate.
Fuck, I'm lonely and possibly depressed as all hell and I would never stoop to something this... sad. Dehumanised. *Artificial.*
The fact the market for this exists alone is depressing...
@@Box-O-Soldier It's super depressing man. I made an oath to my self I'd never get that low. Best thing we can do is keep ourselves busy I guess
@@backoffpeer Nay, the best thing we can do is hold ourselves to a standard of our own choosing, keep our "spine" and integrity intact.
I just wish that more people chose this instead of brainless complacency.
@@Box-O-Soldier I'm the type of guy that watched Blade Runner 2049 and thought to myself "Dang! I wish I had a robot girlfriend." ngl life is bad enough I would buy that shit
Yep. I believe there's an AI service out there that charges quite a bit of money for a chance to chat up with AI, it's so scummy.
At best I'd really only ever use AI like this for fun and leisure. I'm fortunate to already have people in my life to connect to, but not everyone has that luxury. . .
on the "democratizing art" point, taking it to mean that ai is creating equal grounds for all to participate in the creation of art, the real phenomenon is that people's access to the *products* of art is being made more equal. it's a very cynical view- one which erases the concepts of artistic process, of honing craft, of exploring one's own tastes and philosophies and the history of their chosen medium, of journeying to one's most authentic style of expression. it views these not as rituals of growth and development and expansion, but as mere hurdles which should be dodged as efficiently as possible to reach *the thing* that can then be shown off or sold or whatever. meanwhile, the grander issue of so many people lacking access to the pursuit of art due to whatever socioeconomic constraints may be restricting them gets left by the wayside while ai parades itself around as some heroic facsimile of a solution to the dismal lives of every overworked person who dreams to just have enough time and money to meaningfully access and practice any sort of craft
I couldn't have said it better myself. The point of art is the journey and the communication of ideas, not the result and profit.
You can still have the journey with AI art, it helped me a lot personally
@@LutraLovegood No you can't.
Why not? Can't u still do it uniquely?
@@danilo071983 Because handing off the process and the journey to let AI do it for you is the definition of skipping the journey, not a way of having the journey.
If I have to hear that fake cheerful ai girl voice or that serious male voice ONE MORE TIME I will SNAP
The danger is not that AI will become sentient and rebel against humans, but that it will be applied as though it were capable of human judgment when it is not. "The AI did it" will become the go-to excuse for all manner of human incompetence and deviousness, just as the magical "computer error" of fifty years ago.
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That is a danger and the danger that AI will become sentient is also absolutely a danger
@@danielblank9917 They're two different dangers, and one is vastly more immediate a concern. While it is important to learn how AI algorithms reach the decisions they do from their sampling data so we don't accidentally make a sentient AI with unintended behaviours, it's mostly a hypothetical pre-emptive problem. We have no idea if or when a truly sentient AI will be built.
On the other hand, people trying to offload culpability onto non-sentient AI is a real problem we already see.
@@danielblank9917 no, that is literally the least dangerous thing about AI (because it can't happen)
@@Jonas-SeilerWhere are you taking this confidence from? Do you think it will not happen in a near enough future to care about or do you think it can't happen in principle? Also, AI doesn't need to actually be sentient to be dangerous, being more intelligent than humans is already enough.
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I'm reminded of the observation that the problem with building a bear-proof container is that the smartest bears and the dumbest humans overlap. We're getting (or already at) a point where this is true for AI.
As long as we keep replacing jobs with machines or programs, but leave the unemployed without a way to thrive, or even just survive, I refuse to call any of this _progress_ .
beautifully said!
I really don't like the society we've built
Who does?
@@theyellowarchitect4504Microsoft
@@dtech1218 They don't like it either, that's why they are trying to change it (to their benefit), and even now they are still not satisfied.
The word "everypony" out of absolutely fucking nowhere hit me like a truck.
Could not have been more out of nowhere lol
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A welcomed random aneurysm
That feeling of reading the comment as the words are spoken in the video
The more Silicon Valley types say "We want to build systems for humans" makes me feel like they aren't fully human.
The design is very human
You feel right. They are the bastard offspring breeds of man (women) and fallen angels (demons). Satanically animated machines. And they even go as far as claiming to be God's chosen! Exponentially more amazing still is that the very people that say they love the Most High God (instead of rightly fearing Him) actually believe that to be true! Once you notice them, you will see they do business everywhere. Many - many great men and painters throughout history have; and warned about them.
"i don't care about mars. i want my friends and family to have the security to live good lives and a safe, quiet place to do it in." who doesn't? it's possible with our technology and resources, it's just that the execs are willing to do everything in their power to prevent it and for what, endless profits?
thank you so much for making this vid, really thought provoking
Ironically enough, youtube wouldn't stop recommending this video to me.
“With new technology, the line between research and commerce is razor thin, and big companies often use this fact to just ‘manifest destiny’ whenever they want and make us live with the consequences.”
Jimmy, you cannot hit us with a line that hard less than 10 minutes into the video.
Would you prefer that progress stop in the meantime? What's the AI going to do that's so horrible? Jack up insurance rates when the health insurance industry should be nationalized, and we need more transit and bike infrastructure so that people don't need car insurance anyway?
manifest destiny was an objective good imo.
@@Ilyak1986 Well you automate one thing, then the next thing, then the next and before you know it the only jobs left will be AI maintenance. Not everyone is capable of that, so then you deal with a jobless problem, next a homeless problem and next a society collapsing problem. Even if AI could eventually think for itself, we will never get there because the creator's society will collapse before we can get there. Ironically AI is not the problem, but the missuse of AI trough human hands and corporate greed... That is the problem.
@@Ilyak1986We could you know, demand more social responsibility from corporations and politicians who allow them free reins
@@Ilyak1986 "What's the AI going to do that's so horrible?"
Just some things that AI already done:
If you know how photoshop already was a problem in the past for creating fake images that were used and abused by fake news you will understand that AI image generation will be this but 1000 times worse because anyone can put the name of a real person there and generate many images that to most people will be a real photo, if AI was ethical it wouldn't generate images of humans at all because to surprise of no one is already being used for malicious end, to basic porn bots to revenge porn (and if you go to the underbelly even have the "great" children variety that already trying to push as normal and ok because no kid are being harmed).
AI misinformation makes hard to find true sources and is destroying Google* and is already being deadly with the misinformation because has books about mushrooms with the wrong information so people that buy it can end up eating poisonous mushrooms and the one AI from a supermarket that made a recipe of a deadly gas as good ways to clean the house.
*Look up "how many african countries start with K" on google and now remember that most people only read the first result
"Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” JRR Tolkien
It's not exactly a direct quote
@@gluetubeserver I think it is but idk
There was a very similar line in a comic adaptation of Coraline I read recently. I posted a picture of it to Mastodon and THE Neil Gaiman boosted my post to his followers as well!!!
I think that people don't really understand how similar AI and Human brains are. Neural networks are literally based on working of Human brain. AI art is currently similar to visual imagery. No one conjures something utterly unique out of thin air, It's all inspired by previous works and their surroundings. It's weird to me how people call AI unoriginal when it replicates or tries to go through processes human brain undergo to develop a thought or visualization. There is no good or evil in AI. Tolkein, For all his virtue, was a rather conservative man bound by the frankly limited ideal framework of his time, unpossessed of ny real expertise or insight into our modern world, Indeed, he could not come to terms with his own contemporararies at times, as with his dislike of Dune. Not to detract from his achievements, Mind you, but one must take that into account when applying his sayings into a unrelated field.
If there is no evil in a neural network, and a neural network models a human brain, does that also imply that there is no evil in a human brain?
It seems to me that - like humans - AI is capable of evil but isn't necessarily evil by nature (AI can produce good as well as evil).
Tolkien saw a distinction between true creation and what he called "subcreation". True creation is e.g. God creating matter from the void. But anything a human does, like writing a story or making an AI which makes a story, would be "subcreation" - creating something novel out of what already exists. Tolkien saw writing stories as "revealing" them, not truly creating them (it's fascinating, read his Essay on Fairy Stories to learn more!).
I believe the quote above is speaking of true creation more than subcreation. It explains why Morgoth and Sauron could not make their own races, and instead corrupted existing races (elves, men, ents) to create "new" races. But I don't think Tolkien would apply it to our modern AI. I do think he'd detest our modern AI, though!
Anyone else notice that the AI generated captions on any shortform video like CZcams Shorts or Instagram Reels is almost always wrong? It's infuriating.
it's almost deliberately done to make people comment, imo... People will jump in and correct what was wrong but in turn drive up "engagement" and then the algorithm will push the video even more.
I’ve been seeing a lot of AI on crochet subreddits. I didn’t expect to see AI leeching into those places, but it tracks. There are AI-produced patterns, which is the same kind of thing as AI-produced recipes or anything instructional. At first glance, it fits right in among other patterns, but then you get halfway through the work and Bluey has a mile-high forehead and the pattern quality just begins to degrade. Whoever is training the programs hasn’t been able to make it spit out images with accurate or natural-looking stitches yet, but it’s only a matter of time. Naturally they started with what seems like the most profitable area of crochet, amigurumi. What I’ve seen isn’t them selling a non-existent finished product, though. I haven’t looked but I’m sure there are paywalled AI patterns out there too. The grift for now seems to be getting people to the website and throwing a ton of ads on them, which is already a thing in crochet. There are tons of blogs and aggregation sites. It’s a lot faster, I assume, to cut out the part where you look for patterns to share and to just fill your site with fake ones. Then make more, which all refer to each other. It’s all the same as other content aggregation sites, but it just feels so out of place to me. I mean it all feels out of place, but finding patterns is already a time-consuming task and these AI-based sites add exponentially to the problem while masquerading as a solution in the form of an aggregator site.
Idk this whole comment is just a rehashing of the same bones of an issue with crochet skin over top haha
Maybe we should ask for an "AI" that can do all the tasks of a CEO so we can free up billions in capital by eliminating the need for executives. I wonder how fast laws are past after that hits the market.
It's already happening, sort of. Problem is, it's China. We don't know if that one Chinese company that replaced their CEO with an AI (with obviously a human liaison) is real or just a CCP fluff.
imagine co-ops with AI CEOs. As dystopian as that sounds (to be working for a machine), the awesome part might be seeing what a companies pay structure looks like without having to pay the CEO 500 times what the rest of employees make. That seems like automation that could save some money right there.
@@jasonmast7769 if it's training data really comes from a bunch of internet comments, it would probably redistribute the wealth among workers immediately.
@@nathanrocks2562 It would probably kill them all and replace them for being inefficient. Wealth exists to grow more wealth.
CEOs are the grounds keepers of the capital investment upon which companies are founded. CEOs are eliminated all the time. But the only reason CEOs exist is because the people who fund the company to begin with want them. CEOs are not required but desired. No company is forced to have a CEO if the people who fund it don't want one.
We making it outta the president AI voice CZcams videos with this one
The only good thing to come out of AI is that clip of Joe Biden discussing potent weed
Much agreed
And doing my research for me
Prompt: Write a comment on the topic of "desire to leave behind the current era of formulaic and stale AI generated videos", in a manner that ensures that the comment will get broad recognition and user appeal, by choosing a recently popular snowclone format textual meme and inserting the topic as its variable term.
@@AexisRai sorry m8 gonna need my ai to read that for me
ive noticed over time how much contempt regular people seem to feel for art and artists in general.
I'm glad
At least partially comes from not knowing what art is... Most people enjoy "nice things"... Like a nice looking car, nice looking house, nice looking clothes, good music, inspiring movie... The list is endless. All of those involve or are entirely art
it is easier for them to adopt an attitude of contempt than to admit their lack of ability to comprehend art.
I'm an artist and I feel contempt for haughty, smug artists all the time.
@@grafplaten thanks for proving his point, everytime an artist dares to talk or use their platform for anything other than their art, they rapidly showcase how terrible people they are.
Picasso was perhaps the greatest of all time, and he was pretty terrible too. Most online social media "artists" who live on commissions have the attitude of Picasso and maybe 1% of the skill.
Everytime you send a death threat to a ML developer I celebrate more and more your imminent downfall. Time to apply for a 9 to 5, "artist".
"we're at a point where we need to choose between building a world for money to live in, or a world for people to live in"
damn.
like, DAMN.
Something big is going to happen, I can feel it. The new American labor movement is ramping up. All I'm saying is that there's a lot of snakes in the grass right now, and it's time the billionaires got bit.
@@thediplomaticentertainer1785
No, it's not the time for another bloody revolution.
Saying something deep does not mean that it's true.
Greed always wins. Greed has been the one true political party for 1000s of years.@@thediplomaticentertainer1785
@@thediplomaticentertainer1785im sure you would have loved january 7th if they had paraded with a hammer and sickle
The tuberculosis story reminds me of Clever Hans, the horse that could do math. He was believed to be able to solve equations and answer trivia. What was actually happening, was that the person asking the question or the audience watching would often react when the correct answer was suggested. He would then stomp his foot on seeing the reaction, signalling the correct answer. He was unable to do this when the asker/audience had no idea of the correct answer, which is how he was found out.
Same with the gorilla that was "taught sign language" heh
@@noisyash4234 I am, and no she wasn't :)
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It was just another scam for government grants :)
it was actually when hans's trainer was unaware of the answer or not present. the horse was picking up on the trainer's body language, not the audience 😊
In academic literature about explainable AI, they actually call these faulty models Clever Hans predictors haha. There is a lot of research done to try to understand, when these models are right for the wrong reason. For example search for: Unmasking Clever Hans predictors and assessing what machines really learn
It's good to realize that the "AI is going to fix everything" and the "AI is going to pull a Skynet" opinions are mostly fed from the same sources. So long as you're buying into the premise that AI hitting a singularity moment is the goalpost, you're going to miss the ways its hurting people right now.
From people like Zuckerberg, Musk or Altman who practically doubled their wealth during the pandemic but now flush jobs down the drain in the thousands
but hey u can make porn with midjourney so the techbros will just shrug
You have got to go through hell before you get to heaven.
Any tech revolution is going to hurt people. You think computers and the internet have not hurt anybody?
I'm all for that progress, whatever it takes.
@@christopherkrause337 Progress? This is 10 steps back
This grey porridge is delicious.
How is your grey porridge?
This grey porridge is delicious.
It is though.
Double-plus good. I know they teach us to say this, but it really IS double-plus good! ☺️👍🏼
1:12:01 I realized a while back that a lot of the things I wanted to do simply couldn't be turned into businesses, only done as nonprofit ventures. The financialization of human relationships and the idea that anything that people wanted could be monetized for a profit eventually ended up sickening me.
'The idea that anything that people wanted could be monetized for a profit eventually ended up sickening me.' Yes, people will pay for things that they're willing to pay for. The people who make those things will want to earn and reinvest some of that money. There's nothing wrong with that. That's freedom of choice.
I have written thousands of lines of code to make useful utilities for free since I just wanted the exhilaration of developing stuff and if if someone found something useful and emailed me about it, wow! Nothing like it. One upside is that writing so much code made me a better software engineer and also acted as a showcase for my hardwork.
@@jeremynewcombe3422 freedom of choice for the rich that is
This video reinforced something ive been feeling for a long time. The internet doesnt seem fun anymore. Everything is funneled into narrow channels of blandness. Its driven a deeper desire for me to unplug as much as possible.
the problem is millions of americans still live in poverty in shit cities . there's not much to do irl where i live due to the heat aline
@nostalgiatrip7331 I agree but being online doesn't fix any of that, it's just an escape. I escape too so I'm not judging but it just feels less and less enjoyable
The internet is going through the same bureaucratic money-wringer that pretty much all public spaces went through before the internet existed. Cafes, parks, sports areas, town squares, etc. now require money upfront for access to their space and/or provide a bland free space and a pay-to-access fun space and/or are *technically* free but find ways to heavily discourage use without payment. It's part of the reason people fled TO the internet in the first place; you could generally do whatever you wanted, whenever you wanted and as long as you wanted, for free. Games, media, hobbies, socializing, it was all completely untethered to money and the real world.
Now that enough businesses and corporations have figured out how to monetize all the "public spaces" and "free-use services" of the internet, it's just one big, digital, global mall-city, where you can either pay to do what you want (directly through giving funds or indirectly through selling personal data and watching ads) or you can sit in a corner and frown for eight hours. It was only a matter of time, but it sucks that it's already come to pass in our lifetimes.
What's stopping you?
@@nostalgiatrip7331Well, be consoled by the fact that some would actually love to be able to live and run around naked in a warm sunny place... but instead they must be dressing up and wondering how to pay the heating bills in a climate where half of the year it's wet and dark outside.
1:00:00 holy shit you have literally articulated this one thought I've had stewing in my brain for the past few years, the modern internet is becoming a conveyor belt for "content" rather than a collection of things you can look for.
i've been noticing this trend with tiktok as well, your brain is literally being conditioned to not put in the slightest bit of effort to get rewarded and in a generation or so we'll see the horrible effects of it rear its ugly head once all the iPad kiddies grow up. Even older folks aren't immune, both of my parents are nearing their 50's and they use tiktok every day. The worst part is that this is literally what some companies want, and whether or not they're cognizant of that fact this is just what the market is going to do, make you consume the most slop at the lowest cost to them.
@infiniminer7677
Good point. I think people don't understand that they think so called "free market" wants this and so it gets what it wants. What they aren't considering is that people's wants are being manipulated by the Edward Bernays market psychology even more so now with technology. What do you do when the people can be programmed into believing that their choices are there own when all of the sudden they are not?
@@infiniminer7677 well, tiktok is garbage, so there's your problem!
Kind of like television, which I ejected from my life a long time ago.
A common term to call this is "content sludge", if you're interested in additional reading lol
It's cathartic to find a video like this where a serious person, who appears to be one of the very few people left who have achieved/maintained intellectual and emotional maturity, discusses the actual reality of "AI." It often seems like I'm going insane or took some LSD 20 years ago and I haven't come out of it yet, but it seems to me that anyone hearing a Sci-Fi term being thrown around as if it was a real thing would be compelled to actually look into it and do some research. Anyone who does that seriously would discover that it obviously doesn't exist in the same way the " real life 'hover board'" doesn't hover. The truly terrifying part of all of this is the fact of how many people (including people in powerful and important positions) are completely checked out of reality. Where does that lead in 10 or 20 years? Whatever it is, I could only advise people to try not to get too attached to things like competence, basic functions of society, the possibility of rational people in positions of authority, forward mobility, peace, agriculture, civilization, friends, family and/or life.
Edit: I paused the video to write that comment right before you got into "nudging" and started connecting all the dots. Well done. These are things that have led to horrifying and dystopian changes in almost every aspect of my life that has any attachment to the internet, business, bureaucracy, commerce and so forth. It has been causing me such intense distress over the past 10 years that I could barely begin to express it here. I've only been able to discover bits and pieces of the whole story. Anyway, you've confirmed some suspicions of mine that I was never able to fully articulate. That explains a lot and indicates that, while unlikely, there's still a remote possibility that something could be done about it.
Right with you , man.
Its disturbing how few people seem to be able to have this discussion maturely, and even less have done the research to understand what exactly they're even talking about.
Fantastic comment. This is the kind of lucidity and far-seeing perspective I'd thought computers and technology would usher in when I was much younger and much, much more naive. Now it's clear that the same sociopaths who have enslaved us in so many ways just sucked up, corrupted and infested this promise too. Same as it ever was, since we discovered agriculture and started living in settlements.
Sociopaths shouldn't be allowed anywhere near positions of power or influence.
As the art lead for D-Corp this made me sad :(
Prove it, and will believe you.
@@timothyblazer1749 You'll find Anders name in the link under my comment as well.
I like the artstyle and it looks like a neat game.
I saw this dystopian AI system from India, it looks at employees who are slacking or 'not working hard' and fires them.
"Never trust a WebP user."
I felt that in my *soul*
Hate that darn format.
I miss jpeg's on the web
@@GavenJr when the JXL standard is finalised webp will be obliterated. Imagine 30% better compression, thumbnails are redundant due to arbitrary progressive load through file truncation (no excuses, just cut off the data stream at data/quality limit), and perfect jpeg back compat transcoding.
I mean webp has both the qualities of jpegs and pngs with better compression than either, great for web development due to it having a low tax load on a server's bandwidth, it's just a shame that so much software has seemingly out right refused to support it for some reason.
PSA: WEBP can be changed into PNG seamlessly simply by renaming the file extension.
I'm unsure if this is a feature of Win10 doing something behind the scenes, or if the data itself can be reinterpreted so easily.
@@TeamMuggi when I've tried that it makes the image darker; loading it in GIMP and exporting it as a png or jpg feels more reliable to me
"Minecraft is a game that needs no introduction"
Proceeds to give minecraft an introduction.
This video has been on my “watch later” list for way too long. I’m glad I have finally watched it, as it is really, really good. Thank you for all the work you put into that - I hope there was not too much ai involved. 😅
Wrote a grad thesis on ML in aerospace. Nothing depresses me more than seeing how corrupt, toxic, and disenfranchising the field of AI has become recently. It’s so broken the only real solution is to let it die under the weight of its own expectations, since the math doesn’t support what it’s doing now all that well.
It's been a relief to hear experts are feeling the same way I am. I don't think we're going to get out scot-free, but OpenAI could at least go out of business once the hype really dies down. Little victories.
1) loved the video congratulations on the stellar job you did! Really like the editing style and composition!
2) without launching into a tirade and linking a bunch of papers, i optimistically give it ~10 years before it fades completely. Again, the math just doesn’t support the applications rn.
It's a shame, really. It's all very interesting stuff but silicon valley is trying to make it the next big thing, making folks think it's more than what it is.
Brhu, is just the next push on technology, digital field
Its the same as when robotic arms where implemented in industry line
Make job easier and more standar, better quality.
Also made a lot of jobs useless.
So obiously corpos are gonna capitalize on it
This is not beause cof the technology, but the nature of capitalism itself
Money matters, anything else is secondary with human expenses at the bottom of said list.
As money is power, and power let you do watever you want.
@@nathanstruble8587 May I ask how Mathematics doesn't support the applications?
"Of course, we creators will not lose to AI. Because AI cannot imagine." - Naoto Ohshima
Every day I hope he's right.
Fun fact: AI books exist. Now, the reason that's fun and not depressing is that they were so unsuccessful they didn't even make it into the news cycle.
@@EnigmaticGentleman His name is Onision.
There is no such thing as imagination. You can remember, and you can merge those memories together, but you can't imagine something you haven't experienced or seen before. Sorry, but there is no security in that thought, I'm afraid.
Can you?
@@aurora7207 Your claim is objectively false. THe fact that HP Lovecraft imagined the Elder things debunks your point. HR Giger and all of his works debunks your point. The fact that our mind created the color magenda debunks your point.
Thank you. You single-handedly fixed my lack of motivation, at least today.
This was possibly one of the best video essays I have seen on youtube after a very long time! I can only imagine the amount research that went into this.
This AI stuff just makes me sad. Apart from the stuff about killing jobs and creativity, what saddens me most is that it's killing critical thinking. I see more and more people using AI to do stuff like make drafts of their work, plan their day for them, summarize research, etc. And I take their point, it can definitely help automate some of those trivial tasks. However, it's taking away all forms of thinking from the equation. Drafts are good because it gets you to THINK about what you're going to write/create; planning your day makes you THINK about what you need to do and what to prioritize; doing research and summarizing the points of various authors makes you THINK of their views, what the key takeaways are, and allows you to assess the quality of the work. Using AI will make it easier, sure, but you've put yourself at a huge disadvantage in terms of having control over your own life and what your mind is capable of.
Quantity over quality = our present AI "revolution"
You profile picture is making me happy. :) thank you for the memories
People who don't want to think will find a way to be stupid with or without an AI. Fuck'em. Hopefully, they're going to get exactly what they want, and be able to exist as immortal and nearly mindless hedonists in FDVR pods for eternity, and leave the rest of us alone. As for jobs, I'm actively rooting for AI to take every job ASAP. I want to live in a world where no human is able to contribute anything of any meaningful economic value to society, because I think that's the only scenario in which we pull our collective heads out of our asses and make a strong push for a more egalitarian, human-centric system, as opposed to a hierarchical, profit-based one.
Nonsense. You could make the same argument about calculators, that they hurt mathematics because we rely on them giving us the answer instead of calculating it in our heads. AI will not "kill creativity", just like calculators did not kill our mathematical abilities. People will simply use their creativity more effectively and not waste with stuff an AI can do.
The critics of AI are the same as their prophets. One side claims it will be a revolution that frees us from all ills and the other that it is the devil that destroys humanity as we know it. Nonsense.
I’m a uni student who’s half way through writing my dissertation and although using ai to help hasn’t really been a temptation for me, it’s fairly often used by other students. Most of them reword and change what it spews out but they can still get caught by plagiarism scores and lectures who know their shit. My dissertation advisor even mentioned a time when a student submitted a completely AI written dissertation snd failed their entire degree because it created doubt about how much of their work is actually their own original work.
For me it’s not really been a much of a thought because I don’t want to risk my degree over something so stupid, plus I enjoy knowing my work is 100% a result of my own effort and time. Even if there wasn’t the risk of disqualification I find AI is only meh at answering questions that are popular and makes very generic responses and is practically useless for anything niche.
The way AI is being used is emblematic of how the expansion of human knowledge is ceaselessly commodified and weaponized against ordinary people. Makes me feel like the guy in Mad Men who lost his mind after coming into close proximity with a computer.
Absolutely
You should read Yanis Varoufakis' most recent book.
This is one of the best videos I've watched. Every minute is filled with meaning and every frame is intentional, I don't know how long it took to make this, but it was 100 percent worth it, the quality really echos the message of the video. Props to you
Just discovered your channel and I think this video was one of the best on AI (and being a professional aritst, I watch A LOT of those). Yoir approach is very different from other video essayists and there are some points in this video that I've only seen you make yet! It's given me so much more to think about, reasearch, and explore. Hope your channel keeps growing cause you truly deserve it! Keep up the great work.
As an artist, AI generated art unironically made me apprieciate artists efforts and their thought process even more. It's just so much fascinating and interesting to me how artists manage to understand the sheer complexity that is art.
Ed: that's a ton of appreciation from internet strangers, and I appreciate all of you for this. Means a lot for me. Like really, thanks!
What I really appreciate and deeply admire is that there are still people who make and share art made by hand, who still try. I pretty much quit making art these days because it seems as futile as trying to outrun a race car on foot, and I have no idea how much mental fortitude it takes to still try in the face of imminent failure.
@@nobody-nk8pd I'm truly sorry to hear this. Like really. As you said competing with AI is impractical time-wise. You could get the same level of quality tho but that requires time and dedication. If you ever wanted to tackle art again, I'd advise you not to focus on this aspect of AI. I'd tell you to try to take advantage of it as much as you can to yield the best results for yourself.
I still draw and render by hand but I also want to explore the world of AI and see how I can make the process of crafting a piece (obviously not by literally generating it) even more efficient.
@@nobody-nk8pdPersonally, I love making art. Despite the fact that studying anatomy is incredibly soul shattering, the idea that one day I'll be able to make my own character from the ground up keeps me going. That's how I stay hopeful. It's less about the result, and more about the journey. I enjoy the process.
Being an artist for a living is scary right now because of AI, but it has always been like that. Creative industry has always been brutal to get into, so it's nothing new.
Basically, I just make art for myself, and if I get lucky to have my art be popular, I'll take it from there
As a regular art commissioner, I always appreciate the hard work put into the pieces I commission. It honestly inspires me to pickup a pencil and just draw things in my artbook, it looks crap for sure right now but I hope one day I can produce the same quality art that I regularly commission. And honestly, this has helped me understand that every stroke of a brush/pen matters in an artwork, which has made me respect hard working artists even more. Anyone who spends a long time honing their craft will always get my respect.
@@nobody-nk8pdthere's still a lot of people who appreciate art made by a human being. I don't believe it's hopeless. If people adapt to the change without giving up drawing by hand, yah know there's always a way. Blockbuster went out of business when Netflix offered something new in rental. But there's one Blockbuster left! They just found a way to adapt to the change without having to do what Netflix is doing. There's always hope.
49:22 "a good chunk of people who hire designers have no taste and think they can do the job better anyway, now they can tell the ai to make the logo pop and it won't laugh awkwardly and ignore them" this is the perfect summary of the problem. The power for the decisions is in the wrong hands and people are more and more convinced that controlling capital means been always right.
Fortunately, it means they can represent their horrific taste out and proud
CZcams users always write about how socialism is better than capitalism. But the irony is that when it comes to AI, youtube users judge it as if capitalism is unquestionable. So AI is attacked rather than capitalism. It is so easy that users don't even have to be paid.
@@menjolno have you heard of "redundant systems"
When you place total power in the hands of childish gods, you had better also kiss your world goodbye at the same time. They'll destroy it in order to milk maximum personal gain out of it, you'll be powerless to do anything more than complain and watch it happen, and in the end you'll all die together. Except, they'll die with a warm binkie they refuse to share with you. Maybe best keep a shiv on you through all that so you can take it away from them as the sun goes out on a devastated planet.
The moment creatives stopped owning their companies is the moment art stopped being produced
It took Michelangelo four years to paint the Sistine Chapel.
That kind of dedication (and long-lasting salary) is not tolerated today. That's the core of the issue. Call it capitalism, call it plain greed and instant gratification. No matter what you call it, the problem is our culture and mindset. We want more. We want it sooner. We want it better. We want it now. Anything that takes more than "now" is forgotten about.
That is an inherently flawed view of this topic. By that logic, the work of a team of 10 experienced human calculators should be better than a digital calculator. It is not. Human history is the history of people trying to do "X" more efficiently. It is responsible for all our technological development. The very fact that we are here, debating this is felicitated by technology. In 20 years, AI would be as integral as the internet. I am not the biggest fan of Worker exploitation myself, But I think "art" is overly gated. Effort doesn't give you a right to authenticity nor compensation. Digging with your hands is effort but it's not going to get you paid more than a guy using a Excavator machine.
@@darkushippotoxotai9536Bro is held at gunpoint by OpenAI 💀
@@darkushippotoxotai9536 not really the argument humans have always been about efficiency is recent and capitalistic view of the world but your right these things are more efficient and they will be accepted because of profit but thats the point of the video is that efficiency might just make art bland imagine games like ubisofts assassins creed the modern ones how would you feel if every game is as generic as that scratch that rather all art , music , movies being like that.
The only thing that "AI" will be good at is creating massive amounts of spam and scams.
And unemployment.
The only thing? LMAO, yeah, maybe to people that just sit back and complain about our changing society. But using OpenAI's APIs, connected to the back end of my businesses, has allowed me to open up 3 successful LLCs, while automating a large part of the work, with very little overhead (no brick and mortar building, low staff costs, etc.)
Society is always changing; change is the only constant.
So, you can either adapt and keep up, or complain and get left behind. Your choice.
@@leeroyjenkins0 - Helping e-commerce and other sites set up automated customer assistance.
Assisting small businesses with IT management, upgrades, and troubleshooting. Most of this is done by automated networking monitoring software which is set up to email and text me and the business manager when an issue happens, and I will bill them accordingly, depending on the fix.
- Training small business to help automate their financial bookkeeping (excel now has AI built into it, so I train SBOs on how to more efficiently manage their finances with the help of AI).
I'm not sure what you mean by asking am I creating value, but I guess? I just do this on this side, and charge about $50/hr, and I usually do about 10 hours a week or so between just 3 businesses. I could market myself out to do more, but I'm comfortable just making an extra $500/wk on the side, with minimal effort.
hes larping@@leeroyjenkins0
@@Fermion. This post was written by someone who made 2000 dollars drop shipping and thinks he's a skilled buisnessman lol
24:44 As someone who has used AI Dungeon before, let it be known that unless you wanna type out long walls of text directing the AI towards your desired story choice, it will just do whatever it wants.
It used to be better
It used to be so much better...
When I first came to it, it was like that, my head exploded
Now it just responds to anything with "so you do it"
I don't know why, but it feels like we've gone backwards since AI dungeon. AI generated stories are just not as fun as they were when that came out.
@@Jerryfan271I think it's because it got less inconsistent. Earlier AI dungeon was far less intelligent and more creative in how it did things and I miss that
@@martianscienceenthusiast A.I Dungeon both changed models and censored itself. Majority left due to that and other previous stuff.
Oof, this hit me: "We're at the point where we need to choose whether to build a world for money to live in, or for people to live in."
Errrm yikes moment
yawn, just commie bs
In other words: "we're at the point where we need to choose if we want to keep serving or abolish capitalism"
For people with money to live in.
@@alexxx4434 no, for money to live in. There is a distinction, but it's important. Money supercedes people in a post-capitalist world. Even people with money serve money
As a young person, it's super cool to have no future.
This video is fantastic all around. There's so much in it that it's hard to comment on anything too specific, but it was very solid from start to finish. Thank you for making it.
I actually like this video because you point out AI is itself not the problem, but its use is a symptom of the problem.
I think the current implementation of AI is the only natural conclusion of this technology under capitalism. AI is just accelerating many of the existing problems of capitalism and depersonalizing them
When an environment produces something that destabilizes its own ecosystem, is the problem the thing doing the destabilizing or the environment itself?
@@aarvlo It's the natural conclusion of technologization. I forget who said it, but "The Soviet Union and us [the US] have the same goal: technical efficiency!"
@@echoecho3155 Well, good thing that you forgot who that goofy was, because "technical efficency" was never a goal to begin with. Historically and nowadays, effeciency serve a purpose, then, an intention. Efficency for it's own it's not an idea but a closed loop that looks like what an AI would make as a gibberish to fill its emptiness.
@@Factuel-ry7zi I think you may have misunderstood my meaning.
Jacques Ellul posited the idea of "technique," a mindset by which all human activities are subjugated to rational, technological methods of increasing a system's order and efficiency - reducing cost, removing roadblocks, and maximizing output.
Whether it's utilizing AI to mass produce art-as-content or forcing peasant farmers off their land and into factories to maximize production, the mindset is the same. Humanity is subordinated to maximize the system's efficiency.
As all economic systems seek to more efficiently utilize resources, whether socialist, capitalist, or communist, they all submit to technique.
So yes, the USSR and US pursued the same goal: maximize technical efficiency at human and environmental cost. Both were at the mercy of technique as a guiding ethos.
John Michael Greer's writing on "Progress" as an ersatz civil religion are also relevant, as that ensures technique proliferates.
Anyone concerned about watching due to the heavy the GoT spoilers, please be. One of his points goes into mid season FIVE without ANY warnings. Shame on you, Jimmy Mc-WOKE!!😠😠
Who cares. The whole series is just random zombies, dragons, sex and murder.
If you wanted to watch it, you should've watched it by now. Shame on *you* for procrastinating for literal years of your life.
If I needed to look at thousands of pictures of dogs before I could consistently discern between a Labrador retriever and the letter M, I highly doubt anyone would call me "intelligent"
I’m certain that if you could discern a 1000 by 1000 matrix by guessing within a couple of seconds, people wouls
Oh, really? And what happened in your first few years here on Earth? :)
An AI model doesn't start from where you are now, you know.
@@70ME3E You don't understand the difference between a program and a brain......during your first years on Earth you would recognize the difference between a living being and a letter very quickly and you wouldn't need 1000 pictures to do it. The point is that these programs are called “artificial intelligence” but they are just programs and are not intelligent at all. This means that a program needs a lot of data in order to function reliably, so logically it doesn't have any intelligence but just a large database with data that has to be labeled. Such as "Beautiful Things" etc.......This alleged artificial intelligence is just a program with a database that responds to commands. Like “Draw a beautiful picture”. Then the program will search for these words and then combine the images it finds into something else.
@@videre8884
you don't? 1000 pictures is like a few minutes in life.
And that's not how AI works. (take it from an AI practitioner)
@@70ME3E No, the brain is much faster and more efficient - you need milliseconds to see the difference and not 1000 images. If you needed or needed a few seconds to distinguish a dog from a letter, then you would have been put in a special needs class where all the children with learning disabilities go.
It took me a minute to realize what was going on with that Minecraft introduction but once I did it completely took me out. Great job.
I dunno if someone mentioned this already but 12:16 reminded me of how there was a time on Google where they posed that type of image-training as a "game". Google would present random images and you (and another player) would tag them. I think the idea was that you didn't see the other player's tags until the end and you got more points if you both had similar tags (with the same words). I remember playing that a lot when I was really young. So, basically, they got 11 year olds to do their work for them, too.
Also, I am hoping that AI's algorithms become very transparent to the user, where they tell you and show you exactly what they are doing, what actual images in their database they are shifting through/melding together etc.
Its very important to see the dark sides of the AI's algorithms, it will make sure that younger people make the right choices.
that's not really practically possible; one of the most fundamental limitations of any kind of computer learning is that you don't learn what the computer does; the images don't exist anymore in the dataset, they've been distilled into rules. i'm not educated enough to completely rule out the possibility of something like that existing, but it would have to be a fundamentally different technology than is currently in use@@DonnyKirkMusic
well, was it not a game?
THe problem with AI is that it's neither Artificial nor Intelligent... a human somewhere has to add input into the system from then on there are a bunch of conditions (if else). Sure maybe they are using all our input all the time to train the model, but if you try to give AI problems that require some real thinking instead of repeating some existing model it fails miserably.
@@BillClinton228 thats not how AI works at all... atleast, thats not how neural network AI works, you should learn before you speak so confidently on a topic you don't actually understand
I want to add something from my field of expertise -- computer graphics. A couple years ago there was this so-called breakthrough in this field called NeRF (Representing Scenes as Neural Radiance Fields for View Synthesis) that's basically a deep-learning-assisted rendering algorithm that produces a neural representation of a 3d scene from a bunch of images. When its first paper was introduced, it was pitched as the biggest breakthrough in the graphics and supposedly it was expected to replace all conventional rendering because of how powerful it looked. Unfortunately, at the time its inference was about 100x slower than what it needed to be in order to be usable in realtime.
Fast forward 3 years later, that technology has finally advanced to the point where its performance is almost practical for realtime applications -- its performance has evolved and now it's about a 1000x faster (in the newest iteration called Gaussian Splatting) than the original version. Except one detail: there's abolutely nothing "neural" left in it. Literally nothing at all, and it's the only reason why it's becoming practical now, because the main bottleneck of that approach was the neural network inference and getting rid of it made it 3 orders of magnitude faster.
In other words: The stupid AI found a creative solution to a problem that humans didn't know before and indeed struggled to understand how it even worked before completely dissecting the AI blackbox. :D
Yup. My field is embedded hardware engineering and for a while, we too where looking at having to add AI inference in embedded systems.
But much like with NeRF. Most of the planned uses just ended getting piecemeal replaced by regular algorithms and switch statements. Cause inference is expensive and often required some extra Neural processor like a Neural Compute-Stick to get anywhere fast enough. So slowly more and more tasks where being removed from the Neural Network part until eventually there where no actual models at work. Just regular algorithms that where small and efficient.
The only thing we still use small neural models for, is computer vision. But that is so old and heavilly optimized via specialized libraries like OpenCV. That you can do it with any half-decent ARM system like a RPi zero.
On the one hand, this sounds hilarious because it makes it sound like progress was made, and then to justify their existence, they made a normal renderer that actually worked.
On the other hand, regarding what actually happened, getting an AI to brute-force a good solution so it can later be chiseled out sounds like a very 21st century career.
@@stevencurtis7157 in this case AI didn't even bruteforce anything useful that got eventually "honed out". The actually novel and practical part of NERF(and many other DL "advances") is to formulate the task in a differentiable form so that it's _possible_ to optimize it at all with a "black box" optimizer of some sort. But as it repeatedly turns out, neural networks are just a really sub-optimal choice for such a "black box" optimizer, and there are other task-agnostic optimizer methods that perform simply better. So the big idea is to approach a task from an optimization standpoint (which was arguably never tried before NeRF in the rendering field), and that is the novel and important part, and neural networks are just one sub-optimal way of accomplishing it.
Kind of a bad take take. NERF got useful after instant ngp, and I have used it in robotics. With Gaussian Splatting, yeah, the neural network architecture got removed, but it still is machine learning because it uses gradient descent to the core.
This video was really well done bro, I watched the whole thing. Many things to think about.
This and your gambling video/s really made me change how I use my time. I'm going to try to get myself off of the content treadmill and actually make time for myself, my hobbies, my art and my backlog of media that endlessly scrolling through twitter took up. Thank you.
Imagine if you had a tool to replace all the tedious, dangerous, and repetitive tasks humans have to do, but instead, you use it only to replace creative and artistic endeavours that humans actually find joyful and fulfilling.
No one is going to stop you from creating art (of any form). Just don't expect to be paid for it by other people because they will get better art from AI.
Also, replacing someone that his work can be done by a single computer is way easier than creating an entire robot for someone else's, but this time will also come in a few years.
Your future is so bleak and empty. The quality of people will continue to drop at exponential speeds and technology like this will continue to reward lazyness and conformity. Enjoy your life long imposter syndrome and deep self loathing and smol brain syndrome, oh and forget about any sort of character building the adversity of learning and failing facilitates.
@@OnigoroshiZerowow. Just wow.
And it isn't by mistake. It is the first step towards complete control over us.
⭐capitalism⭐
28:25 fun fact, Vizcom was used often to cheat legitimate artists out of money, as clients opted to pay for a sketch then throw it into the AI rather than PAY THE HUMAN FOR THE COMPLETE WORK
I wouldn't really call it scamming. They requested a sketch the artist delivered and was payed. No scam involved
@@rene3924That’s a terrible take. That’s like asking someone to fix your plumbing, before they come in and take your money and “fix” it, and after the fact realizing that they did nothing. You lose out on time and money and they gain your money in return. The artist loses out on time while the customer gets the thing they want for free. It’s parasitism. Only one side gains while the other loses.
When the customer requests a sketch they do that so they can confirm that this is the product they want. Usually it’s also a deterrent for customers to make any demands changing the artwork before it reaches its final stages, because they’ll already have the artwork they’re satisfied with.
@@rene3924 I don't think you understand. Artists are paid based on their time and effort. Getting a completed work from their sketch is cheating them out of the money they should have been paid.
@peaberry9413 A completed work, not her completed work. Any artist can take a sketch and "finish it" in many different ways.
I don't see an issue with running an algorithm on someone's sketch that you purchased (so really, your sketch). I do see a moral issue with selling the new artwork, but I do not know who would truly own the piece. It is transformed, so technically new. But it was done by an algorithm which legally can't copyright artwork. 🤔 Hmm.. I think ultimately it's legal to sell, but illegal to copyright.
I still stand on the grounds that it's a shitty thing to do to an artist though.
@@acebinko1 I guess I should add on that maybe some artists would also do the sketch for free BEFORE asking for payment, in which case if the client declines to go further - and thus the artist isn't paid - they could still run the sketch through the AI anyway.
I can't recall the last time an artist WASN'T asking for some form of payment up-front, though, and it's probably to combat stuff like this.
well it’s easier to automate subjective things like art which has high error tolerance than automating structured work for which we need concrete results
Scientists have not been able to simulate accurately the way a single neuron works. An AI neuron is like the McDonald's version of grandma's dinner.
It is not the goal to simulate that. The goal is to make it work.
Then they’re not creating “intelligence”, are they?
It's worse. It's a plastic hamburger. And it will never work. I have it on good authority from an MIT PhD who worked for Deep Mind. He told me "they don't want to do basic research because that work could take decades, and new hardware that hasn't been invented. Instead, they just want to optimize the systems that are essentially churning out garbage. So we'll just get better garbage. AGI isn't even theoretically possible, and yet they keep saying it's right around the corner. It's the biggest grift I've ever seen"
He went to work for a games company, and does language code now. He went back to compilers and computer language work.
Sure we can. We've done millions at once, even. It takes hundreds of billions to make anything useful though. We accurately simulated a very small slice of a mouse's brain.
@@wills.5762 no, we can't. We dont have any idea what axon-axon connections do, nor do we understand microtuboles. Nor have we yet to contend with the EM interactivity within a neuron, as a carrier of complex, rather than binary or simple linear data.
Mandalore, redlettermedia and now Jimmy. Today, my cup runneth over.
Word
I know what I'm watching tonight
Yeah. Pretty wild how quickly the devs completely removed all the AI art assets overnight. I almost wonder if they planned for it.
rlm sux
I am a uni student studying Data Science and AI. This video is spot on. It’s like my prof made his lectures again but 10x more enjoyable. If somebody wants to learn about the current state of “AI”. Send this.
Or missunderstand it
@@bluegamer4210 For real. If this is better than what he's learning at uni, he needs his money back
@@InnsmouthAdmiral They didn't say it was better, just more enjoyable. Many profs' lectures don't include a lot of humor or multimedia production.
It’s very heartening to hear, as an established and mostly isolated working adult who feels like corporations are just tearing everything to pieces, that educational spaces are bare minimum at least talking about this stuff seriously
just out of curiosity: Does thinking about this put you off the data science and AI world?
very insightfull, you've raised some important points that I haven't heard or considered before. thanks
song at 30:55 is: Moools - なわとびの前で (Jump Rope)
The trajectory the internet and society as a whole is going towards really was nailed by MGS2 (faceless know it alls deciding what everyone should consume under the guise of providing context to content in a sea of worthless data) and MGS4 (AI and algorithms being so intertwined with reality that no one on the planet realizes that they're taking orders from machines anymore).
Sad that the people who would have the exact opposite position to yours also believe that MGS2 and MGS4 predicted what _they_ believe to be the story of today.
(I.e., people who believe that people like McGee and you are economically illiterate SJWs or socialists who are either ham-fistedly trying to cage AI that could greatly improve the world, ignoring the "science fictional" type of existential threat that AI can pose to humanity, or somehow both at the same time; they also will point to MGS2 and be like "so visionary, Kojima would agree that I'm like Philanthropy and @cromtuiseagain is like the Patriot AIs".)
@@coreyander286 honestly saddened by the idea they could take in all that stuff about echo chambers, fake news and discourse in general becoming a shit show, and decide "kojima got it right, my worldview is exactly what he meant" and go back to shitting on "the SJW's/political group i don't like" in an online group designed to discuss that one and only thing without a second thought
i'm lucky i'm irritated by loud noises and people, those echo chambers must be hell on the brain
MGS 2 honestly was optimistic in making its big bads the metaphysical representation of the US government, when what we got in reality is the ideological amalgamation of the most insufferable nerds on the planet
@@coreyander286based take
@@Graknorkecan't be any truer than that. The entire world of tech is just governed by the worst type of nerds that got soo successful that they basically became the jocks that would bully them at school instead of growing out of it.
I'm a motion designer/2d animator, at work, I have at least 3 meeting a week discussing how I can 'integrate AI into my workflow'. I don't know how much more of this topic or those people I can take.
I'm very curious, what do they ask you and how do you respond? I have a friend who is a programmer, he was questioned about similar things by employers, but luckily for him, his workplace eventually dropped the idea of forcing programmers to use AI. It's a plague.
it is a bubble.
An actually informative, critical, honest and intellectual take on the overlooked dangers of AI, cross referencing the ongoing commodification of every aspect of human reality.
Hey! I'm the artist behind the D-Corp key art and I'm strongly against using AI generated content in game development. So it feels extremely weird to be lumped together with it like this, I guess with the caveat that you think it's also generic, which i dont't know how to take except for a thinly veiled insult. Oh well, thanks for showing the game I guess.
Wow, that's sad, I'm sorry. As a viewer I'm gonna check out the game properly
damn :( shows a lack of research which is reasonably pervalent in this video
Assertion of origin is not evidence. Tell us about a website that proves what you just said is true.
I'm against ai generated assets, like textures 3d models or even ai generated dialogue, but code made with the *assistance* of ai is fine.
there's another guy here saying he was the head of the art department for D-Corp
"You can do whatever you want if you call it research"
Damn that was good
Worked for Mengele and Unit 731.
Actually pretty shitty antiscience take. Scientists cannot do "whatever they want" . Companies can.
@@backfischritter Nobody is trying to blame scientists here, this is aimed at silicon valley companies trying to use "scientific progress" as a smokescreen for creating more cultural and economic sludge.
@@backfischritterlol sure just entirely misread his intentions because he used terminology that scientists use too. stfu bro
@@backfischritter recent events pertaining to harvard for example show that scientists can do whatever they want as long as they dress it up in a science paper and "prove" something that will make a shareholder money. The science of old and the science of new are two different beasts, and like the guy said in the video, modern things tend to be about making money more often than not
This genuinely one of the best, most well articulated video essays I’ve ever seen. This is genuinely approaching the realm of Line Goes Up by Dan Olson (although quite different).
The way in which you make and word your (excellent) points in this video is masterful, and every step along the way is just as good. The conclusion was so well worded that it made me write this comment.
The 2nd-to-last chapter also really stood out to me. The overstimulation section (you know the one) managed to create a truly dire and *deeply* felt portrayal of this internet nightmare that really resonated, and drove your point home in the best way it could.
It might not be the most structured video, but it’s certainly incredibly compelling.
glazing
@@fattshea8085are you stupid
interesting line go up cideo
@@chlorine--17 excellent comment, my friend
The fundamental issue is that correlation is some the model can calculate, but the actual cause of events is something that requires judgement. Some people have poorer judgement than others, but an AI, as currently constructed, has no judgement at all; the user just hpes that the sum of all the correlations is close enough to the truth. Sometimes it is, sometimes it is the opposite. For example, and AI fire inspector might conclude that the fireman started the fires because the fire pattern correlates with the fireman's movements.
Holy! This video has cemented for me the concept that we are continually being nudged into accepting more and more recommendations (like the auto correct that comes up when I’m typing this comment). At some point people won’t know exactly where it started, but the convenience of all of these small things added together make it seem like it is impossible to step backwards. I truly hope that we find a balance as a society and that this purported trend of increased union organizing and (hopefully) civic engagement continues. Godspeed @JimmyMcGee
I absolutely despise the latest revisions of autocorrect that automatically "fix" your "typos" (I'm a touch typer and instinctively know when I've mistapped a key)
the "everypony" at the end of the intro triggered my fight or flight response.
I like how up-front you are with cutting through the marketing and calling out stupid products. It makes things a lot more real
makes me feel a little more sane hearing an Indian business sigma guy go "wouldn't it be dope if..?" and someone agreeing it's all gobbledygook
How are they stupid products if they're heavily used everywhere? ChatGPT is used all over the place.
WOW..... THIS IS TRULY INSPIRATIONAL!!!! AMAZING VIDEO AND HIT SO CLOSE TO HOME!
I just love how a billion dollar industry is built on a system where we don't really know what it's doing.
Even though we made it.
We're so cooked.
Don’t think i’ve ever commented on a video before but i just feel so strongly about this one, i genuinely think it’s the most important video I’ve seen on one of the most important topics of our future. In a time when it feels like most vocal opinions on this topic are either ignorant or completely insane, thanks for this extremely enlightening video.
So far, AI has made Google searches useless, spellcheckers less efficient than proofreading yourself, and art hosting sites clogged with generic, mass-produced trash. Thanks for giving us a preview of what this nightmare future has in store for us next!
I don’t even want to imagine what cold hell we’re heading towards
ahahahah =```) so dumb
I've had to learn how to block certain generated sites to scrape the bulk of the crap out of image searches.
Hi Jarv, love your art! X95 a best!
As opposed to generic, mass produced trash art from humans? Because there's a lot of that too.
Almost didn't click on this video, I'm glad I did, and I'm even more glad I watched all the way through until the end.
The best analyse of this topic, i ve found on YT. Thanks for your good, hard work!
Holy shit man. I was listening to this video absolutely enthralled with what you were saying- you have a really wonderful way of essaywriting- and I had no idea how I’d never found your channel before. But then, you brought up Rain World as “high art”, and I checked- and you’re the one who made the world’s best Rainworld deepdive a couple years ago. I’m so glad you’re doing more, super insightful stuff.
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I've been fascinated by what AI dose to what we think about authorship & originality. I think that AI will make use confront the possibility that ancient hominids producing "cultural artifacts" simply may not have anything to do with being sentient life at all. So when I watched this video, and saw some of the common misunderstandings about the technology of AI in relation to American copyright law. I thought hay I'll just slam out a quick explanation. lol
1). AI training sets are full of stolen art?
--In America the training sets that are essential to the functioning of art AI were originally compiled by universities and research institutions under the classroom use exception to copyright I.E. fair use. so the artistic & literary works in these training datasets arguably compiled for the purpose of education didn't need to be licenced at the time thy were made.
The why these training sets were made dose not imply that companies can also use them directly to make products, this present a problem for them. That will likely need to be hashed out in court. Open Source software on the other hand. Because they are not explicitly making a for profit product. Will likely be far more successful claiming “fair use" so it is IMO vary unlikely that training sets made this way in the past. can be stopped from being shard for the foreseeable future.
2). AI can't produce original ideas or art.
--The American copyright office has touched on the problem of a "non-human creator" before.
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"The 2014 Monkey selfie copyright dispute"
--Resulted in a copyright ruling that works created by a non-human "Animal" creator immediately enter the public domain upon there creation. No matter how much knowledge and labor a human contribute to making things ready for that creation. I E "sweat of the brow"
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"The 2023 Théâtre D’opéra Spatial dispute"
--Resulted in a copyright ruling stating that Art AI are authors of the original works thay produce, “when an AI technology receives solely a prompt from a human and produces complex written, visual, or musical works in response, the ‘traditional elements of authorship’ are determined and executed by the technology-not the human user.” AI Registration Guidance, 88 Fed. Reg. at 16,192. And "Because Mr. Allen has refused to limit his claim to exclude its "non-human authorship elements," the Office cannot register the Work as submitted. "
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"The 2022 Zarya of the Dawn Dispute"
--Resulted in a copyright ruling that says in-part. ""Rather than a tool that Ms. Kashtanova controlled and guided to reach her desired image, Midjourney generates images in an unpredictable way. Accordingly, Midjourney users are not the “authors” for copyright purposes of the images the technology generates. As SCOTUS has explained, the “author” of a copyrighted work is the one “who has actually formed the picture,” the one who acts as “the inventive or master mind.” Burrow-Giles, 111 U.S. at 61. A person who provides text prompts to Midjourney does not “actually form” the generated images and is not the “master mind” behind them.""
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The processes that humans naturally follow to create original art has been enshrined in copyright law, this is why we can separate. In a court of law:
A copy of a painting. From a derivative of that painting. From a painting inspired by the painting,From a painting thats in the style of that painting. Being inspired by a pice of art you’ve seen, and then painting something original in that artists style. May be in bad taste but un-controversial if the AI were a human artists and not software.
In short. If AI did not produce original art based on the "inspiration" it gets from mesmerizing the abstractions of billions images. The art produced would not fall into the public domain like it dose now because of non-human authorship. Instead it would be copyright-able tho an un licensed derivatives. End.
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I thought this video was insightful aswell. but little inconsistencys with how Jimmy McGee miss describes the tech, and how it works in relation to american copyright is what changed my mind.
For example: In the US the training sets were originally compiled under the fare use exception in copyright law for research and education. and therefore the works in them don't need to be licenced, And this is one of the main stumbling blocks to wide use outside of academia. Thankfully Now an entire industry has sprung up to supply different legal sets to developers.
The copyright office in the states has rulings on "Art AI's" from almost twenty years ago. That apply to the art of AI's that are made to follow "the legal process" that allows humans to make new art from All the art and things thay have seen over their life or are referencing at that time. For inspiration. without violating any of those copyright holders rights.
the case im referencing was a programmer who invent an AI that replicated a dying & hallucinating human mind that autonomously outputted pices of new original religious art. He sued the copyright office when thy ruled against him. They ruled that the AI was being original, and a copyright was created for each pice of art it created. The AI isn't a human being tho and so couldn't defend its own copyrights in a court of law. Nor could the owner of the AI gain use of the copyrights ether. just because of the artist that created the art at question was his legal property doesnt mein he could clame its property.
Rainworld is shit
@@KzaksI don’t give a fuck about copyright law man I pirate half the games I play and run linux
And while I do have criticisms of this video and don’t fully agree with its conclusions (as with all of his stuff) it got me thinking about the issue from a new perspective I really did find insightful- I was actually excited to read your criticism at first to maybe help me understand some of my own disagreements with the video, until I realized it was some weird legal argument written in broken English.
also I wrote the original comment while high as balls
I’ll have to give the video a rewatch sometime and try and formulate my thoughts and criticisms on it, I don’t entirely remember
You had me at leaded gasoline. I spent the better half of my adult life trying to understand market failures and examples like DuPont's made me realized how adversarial market actors can be, hiding the externalities of what they're doing to increase profits, then using that money (which economic theory says wouldn't occur in a perfect market with perfect information) to rewrite the rules. Great job connecting the through line at the end to pricing discrimination, nudging, and commodification of time, all things that result from an information asymmetry and that stand to grant specific companies a lot of money, market power, and even political power depending on how that money is invested.
The real runaway superintelligence is already here, already misaligned to human values, and will bring about a world that I think most people wouldn't want if it were presented upfront to them.
This! It's not that ai will become sentient and rebel against the humans, it's that it will supercharge the casual inhumanity of commerce and industry.
This is fascinating
@@stevecarter8810 IE rampant capitalism, the death of humanity and its soul
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As someone who's bit of a capitalist I agree on this,
This is use too much.
"will bring"
Already has been. (It can get worse tho, don't worry about that :P)
I think, the fact they attacked everything at once, might force the hands of regulators.
If they had attacked just artists... maybe.
But, writers, journalists, artist, film makers, designers, coders, lawyers, doctors, nurses.
That means that politicians will have a daughter, a son, a cousin who is affected.
That means that it's more likely that they'll understand the impact.
What's funny is SAG-AFTRA recently signed a deal with a company that specializes in AI voice samples for games
Which is something that actually pissed off the members of the union by the way.
Sounds like sag knows what’s up!
A barely 30 year old friend of mine, who doesn't understand shorts or reels and doesn't want to engage himself described it as watching yourself grow old in real time. "Growing old" in the sense of becoming incompatible with the "new world" of the next generations.
Dang bro. You hit hard
Maybe it's not him growing old, but him experiencing the older form of video "content" and now being able to compare it to the newer form of shorts forced on everybody. I don't think it's entirely an issue with age and more-so an issue with companies trying to extract the most amount of money out of people, if that makes sense.
@dormitthings4773 Obviously, there's some nuance with this, but one could few us criticising enshittification as old people being sentimental about how everything was better just a few years ago.
reason shorts dont work for him its not becouse he is old , but becouse he dont wants to consume mindless content , its not that he grew old but grew up on stuff like movies , books , and proper videos , not attention cash grab scam , i see this in food... , and just like fastfood companies are conditioning "new generation" , youtube and social media are conditioning new consumers that "this is content
ofc child would want to eat just icecream , instant ramen and other garbage like that , similar is with internet content , problem is in today world you can cook for your child and feed him good stuff , but you cant really do that with online stuff , today even finding a real job requires you to engadge with a lot of that garbage compared to just 5 years ago.
its not that they grew incompatible , but today world deliberately becomes more incompatible with us in order to pray on us or condition us to be exploited.
ask any 15 year old how many books he read , does he read newspaper or articles? watch documentaries? good movies? , most will talk to you about roblox , minecraft , or garbage content they consume.
and just like food , if you will be conditioned long enough...that this cheap low quality zero nutrition burger and fries is your tasty meal , you start to belive it , after a while you will carve it , despite it slowely kills you , similar is you youtube , social media , and attention platforms , their AI trained on model is smarter then you and me , they can indentefy weak , or individuals they can sway to their side , they got so good its not just some...but most.
Fu***g hell, I felt exactly the same. I'm 25 and I *felt* the curtain open on the "I'm never gonna connect to the poor younger people that are growing up currently" feeling.
Which is a super sad thought that I will fight with all my strength, if only for the sake of my 10 years old nephews
I think one thing that will happen, is it will increase consumer fatigue. It will become harder for the consumer to be a discerning customer and they will have to 'dig' more or else more quality content will die in obscurity, or quickly be ingested and shat out by a company with more money, by just ctrl-C ctrl-V an art style or LLVMing a text dump of the original game. We are already at a point where YT creators can influence if a game/movie reaches the right audience. Otherwise there is a high chance a game will die in obscurity. A lot of this is going to hinge on having enough people 'hate' AI generic content. I don't think the majority of people will care, but hopefully there will be niche communities that emphasize 'hand-made' media as a reactionary movement.
Pinterest is already becoming unbearable because of this. I used the site to collect art, but now I have to slog through so much AI shit.
"Hand-made" is such a weird way of putting it. It wouldn't exist if you didn't put your hand on it. What people need to do is not shun the tech, but to focus on open source, and not falling into subscribing for even more services.
@@illyaeaterI'm a purist, I guess, but I balk at the term "hand-made" when companies/people try to sell their "hand-made" furniture, that was all made with machines. Some guy recently got called out because his "hand-made" guitar was made using a CNC machine. Can you imagine the audacity?
Like, if you're not gnawing at the wood like a beaver or clawing at it like a bear, is it even hand made?
@@fredmercury1314 Yeah I guess it's only really hand made if you spent 50 years distilling the sauce
We are literally just repeating what our ancestors always have done. When people were satisfied, or kind of okay with their lives, they let systems "control" them, when they had enough they changed the system (governance or nature itself, doesn't matter, just some kind of system they lived by). The only caveat I see to this is if (or when) we actually manage to "reverse engineer" our biology and mind and become able to play God with ourselves - not just our environment. We might kill our humanity in the process and a new age would begin when we no longer live by million years old rules.
This is one of the finest video essays in this platform. Great job!
Really well done and definitely grounded a lot of this stuff in reality. This also got me rethinking my online habits as well. Thank you.
“in a free market, when something bad happens to you , you must be punished” almost brought tears to my eyes man . great work as usual, you’re one of my favourite writers on this website
Top 10 myths of Free Market:
How is that the inherent result of a free market?
@@hagoryopi2101 because when two people want the same thing, the person with more power has many ways and connections to make it happen, and the free market eventually just has boards of companies who only see the stock price, so the thing that they want most is the expansion and growth, this happens at every large company. And compared to normal people who still has some options, people down on their luck usually have few alternatives, as literal life saving services are also privatized, thus when something bad happens to you, you become valuable asset to companies, and not a fellow human being deserving of compassion. Just like gravity forms planets out of cosmic dust, free market eventually becomes a system well adjusted for making money at people's expense(for example planned obsolescence)
@@hagoryopi2101 When something bad happens to you, you are in a vulnerable position. When you are in a vulerable position, then a "rational value maximizer" *has* to exploit you (if they dont then they are either not being rational or not maximizing value).
@@justincenter4061 the most profitable way to "exploit" vulnerable people is to offer them some security. Instant loyal customer, most profit in the long run. Anything less than that is irrational violent "logic," the fallacious belief that keeping others down benefits oneself more than mutual growth.
Its really funny to me how in about 8 months, after the hype bubble began deflating, saying something "looks like it was made by an AI" went from a celebration for technology to a straight up insult, as it should be. Another banger video.
Ai is Th
[thing] is bad now and will never improve okay thats a real argument and definetly not cope or a placeholder for my unwarranted anger i got from reading a twitter thread
@@hydroxide5507 You're putting words in their mouth.
P.S. Your unwarranted anger is showing. :)
@@hydroxide5507 "unwarranted anger" lol, art theft doesn't warrant anger anymore huh? educate yourself kthx :)
When ever was that a 'celebration,' are you just making stuff up?, from the moment that saying became, all I saw was people trying to insult the technology, especially the artist community.
amazing video, very sharp. we need more essays like this.
Thanks for making this, man. It was powerful.
I've tried unsuccessfully to express many of these sentiments to friends and co-workers in the recent past. What you have created here is the definitive video to express what I could not quite articulate. Thank you.
Could've just asked an AI. I love the irony that all these dick head youtubers who want to be "hated" can't even write a more compelling summary of the threats posed by AI than an AI. And then they have the balls to blame other people for bloated nonsense in a video that is 1.5 hours. Several good points that have been touched on in many other videos but fucking hell man, what an overall waste of time.
Good luck getting your friends to watch a video that's longer than 5 minutes, never mind an hour.
Also expressing the sentiment doesn't mean changing minds. For instance, I understand people's concerns and reservations with AI. I understand that it will bring about great harm and that it can be a danger. I really know, and am not even arguing the opposite. I'm saying, I don't care. I want the progress. I want AI to be pushed as far as it can go.
A lot of the people are already ready to give up their own mind to become a mindless drone. They think it would take away only the bad and undesirable stuff from them, not seeing that it would take everything and leave them an empty shell, uncapable of thought, emotion, action.... life.
@@christopherkrause337 you simply do not care about slave labor and the destruction of jobs for millions, got it
Ah, yes, pleasing the stakeholders is ALWAYS something that steers societies away from dystopia! Thank you, AI alignment "non-profits," for letting us know you're helping the little guy!
Yes and we know those in power whether in business or government always have our best interests in mind 😅
AI alignment is an important problem to solve, our entire race and future depends on it.
Please go and look up Robert Miles AI safety to understand what im talking about.
@@TheManinBlack9054whatever you say guy
@@TheManinBlack9054i will filter my consumption. I will listen to an expert whose analysis I feel I can trust (Jimmy Mcgee) and ignore charlatans with an agenda (random guy two levels deep in the CZcams comments)
They're so nice and considerate, thank you to these legends for looking out for us.
Damn, this hit hard. I'm glad you chose to end the video on a somewhat positive note though.