EDH MTG Magic Commander ***Kess, Dissident Mage Deck Tech!!!***
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- čas přidán 8. 09. 2024
- Finally found the time to unveil my latest joint creation, a tier 1 design based around the mighty Grixis Commander, Kess, Dissident Mage. In this video, I take a deep dive into the deck’s contents, analyzing many of the individual card choices. The video is quite long, but if you’re a fan of this archetype you may find it worth the time. I’ll be posting online Kess games soon. Comments and feedback are always welcome, enjoy!
Beyond the utility, your deck is made up of absolutely gorgeous cards. Superb!
Thanks Nate! I figured it was worth bringing in the Betas and Alphas for the video, glad you appreciated that!
@@Thebrianweissman Beta Volcanic has always been one of the prettiest in my eyes.
Sold my collection a few years ago and this is the first deck I’m rebuilding. Feels like a mountain to climb! Ty for the video
You're very welcome! Good luck getting it built, though the deck is objectively weaker without Hullbreacher. Still fun and powerful though, of course.
I can't be the only one who is getting CZcams's "premiere will begin shortly" hours after it was scheduled.
Enjoyed every single minute of the deck tech. I appreciate how you go in depth on some of the card choices, lines of play and even history of the cards. Fire//Ice has become one of my favourite cards for its flexibility. I‘m sure you‘re aware of it, but I figured I might mention that you can use Ice to tap Winter Orb at EOT and just timewalk your tapped out opponents. I understand that Orb is not central to this deck, however I also like playing Whir of Invention in Orb decks for the same reason. Faithless Looting and Intuition might also be worth considering? Looking forward to online gameplay videos of Kess in the future!
So glad you enjoyed it! I'm definitely aware of the trick with Fire/Ice on Winter Orb, I'm always on the lookout for that or an EOT bounce with Cryptic Command. I love Whir in my Nin deck, it's just a bit tricky to cast the card in a 3-color Grixis design. Intuition is a card I hadn't considered, it may be worth running. Stay tuned for some Kess videos soon!
Your Alpha Counterspell is remarkably well centered.
Very good catch, I didn't actually notice until you mentioned it. Alpha is so random in terms of centering it's easy to ignore centering.
I would say this deck tech was...
PHENOMENAL! :-)
Very wise insight from you on Timetwister, See the Truths sweet combo, thanks a lot for the quality vid.
You are so welcome, thanks TONS for the great feedback and comments. I put a lot of work and thought into both the deck and the commentary, so I'm grateful it's appreciated.
Awesome Deck tech. Thank you for taking the time to go over your card stories and share some of your opinions. I really enjoyed your thoughts and perspective.
Concerning your musings on cycling Mystic Sanctuary. If the game grinds to the point where bouncing Sanctuary with Cryptic would be on the table, you can also just Wasteland your own Sanctuary and replay it with Crucible. Yes, it's a turn slower, but it doesn't cost you four mana and you can save your Kess "flashback" for the turn on another line of play.
I'm going to have to invest in MTGO I guess, I'd love the chance to play some games against you!
So glad you enjoyed it, and that's a very valid idea to recycle the Sanctuary. Looping Sanctuary has never even come up as an option in any games I've played, so I suspect it's all moot anyway. If you do wind up playing MTGO, make sure to find me! My account name is Brian Weissman, and I'm on pretty frequently.
Keep in mind based on your Mystic Sanctuary comment about Thalia preventing it from being used a card like Archelos, Lagoon Mystic allows it to trigger without a single other island.
Do you have a competitive list for that commander? It looks like a lot of fun.
Kess has been S teir in multiplayer since she came out.
Nice deck.. Building Kess my self, fun stuff.
But Seeing this deck un-sleeved gives me chills:P
currently building this as well, it'll be my first commander build ever, been using a prebuilt recently to learn and watching tons of videos so until the forbidden realm set drops i really wanna build this deck. LMK how yours goes!!!!
@@williamdavidson215 in my first Kess build i used
Painter's Servant + Grindstone,
Dark depths + thespian stage
and Isochron Scepter + Dramatic Reversal.
To find all this i use : Demonic Tutor,
Vampiric Tutor, Fabricate, Merchant Scroll,
Mystical Tutor, Personal Tutor, Tribute Mage, Trinket Mage.
support: Torment of hailfire, Damnation, black sun of zenith, vandalblast, blasphemous act, S. Rift, Talrand and shark thyphon. 13 mana rocks. Propaganda, 6 cantrips...
Very cool
You should double sleeve up, especially with those reserve list cards ;)
But they're so much prettier when they're unsleeved, don't you agree =)
Indeed I like the talisman more than signet as they are good on aboard against opponent's LD strategy. The Talisman of Creativity and even the Talisman of Indulgence seems playable in this deck.
Plus Lim dum's vault and Tainted Pact can be more appealing choices compared with some blue functional tutors imo.
Playability wise, are Treasure cruise and Dig Through Time considerable as replacements to cards like Thieving Skydiver and See the truth?
Great video but please... use sleeves. It hurted seen some of thouse cards without them,
Have you considered adding Dockside Extortionist, Remora and Rhystic Study? What are your thoughts on cutting Crucible of Worlds in order to run a more disruptive card such as Blood Moon or Back to Basics?
Always great hearing from you, man. Keep it up.
Dockside, Remora, and Rhystic are definitely favored in multiplayer formats, but this deck is tuned for 1v1. Blood Moon and Back to Basics are a bit more fair and hurt you just as much, where as crucible extends your hand allowing you to fetch more lands by playing from graveyard, and eventually cutting off a color or two from your opponent with strip mine wasteland.
Thanks for the kind comments Bruno. Rodrigo answered your inquiry quite well, your suggestions are more germane to multiplayer. I don't think I'd ever run Blood Moon or Back to Basics, as I only have a single basic land in the deck.
its about time for a new deck tech
Interesting build, see the truth was a cool tech card for Kess. I'm surprised to see you don't run demonic consultation/Thassa's oracle in Kess considering consultation find's oracle then you can replay it from your graveyard for the win. A 4 mana investment (BBUU) to net a win requiring only one card (Demonic Consultation) seems really good to not include if you're playing competitively.
Tainted pact Is better for the work. I loose some times because consultation remove TO from the game.
An amazing deck tech, but admittedly my wallet screamed every time you showed one of those reserve list cards.
Haha, glad you enjoyed it! What's the purpose of having them if you can't play with them, right?
@Brian Weissman my thoughts exactly. Luckily my playgroup has a nice rule "your budget should not effect your ability to build a deck. If you gotta proxy, go for it." and since I'm working on a Kess deck (why else did I end up here, lol) so, while I can't run this at my LGS for all the uh, many proxies I would need, my personal playgroup round the table will see how I adapt this into my own playstyle.
hey was going to ask you something on mtgo this morning, but forgot. i was trying to hard to play a game lol. you post alot of videos. Would you ever be interested in posting top a top x cards printed for EDH. or if it would better suit you top x cards ever? EDH seems more resonable since other videos of top 100 (which you were in) has already been done. Id like your insight on stuff like that. maybe a commander list and then a non commander list. heck maybe a list of every card type in magic for EDH would be awsome!
Hey Shawn! Sorry I missed this message, I don't recall getting a CZcams notice for it. I think this is an interesting idea for a project, though it's such a complex thing it would be hard to reach a consensus. I'll give it some thought and see what I come up with, please say hello the next time we overlap online.
Have you tested Deprive in this deck? I know that you've had the combo with Mystic Sanctuary in some other decks so there must be a reason why it isn't included.
I haven't used Deprive, mainly because the counterspell is awkward, and because I'm not trying to eke out a grindy quasi-lock with Mystic Sanctuary. The deck wins pretty quickly with its core combo most of the time.
Nice deck but no Darksteel Colossus or Lord of the Pit? How're you gonna win the game, bud?
The opponent just gives up.
I only bring in Lord of the Pit for multiplayer, when I really have to focus on winning.
You know I think card draw and deck searching are completely out of control. I also think fetch lands break the color restrictions..... But that is just me
your right but thats the world we live in
i want to copy the deck to mtgo anyone make a .dek of this?
Feel free to email me at: brianweissman88@gmail.com for a current deck list.
im trying to get my buddy into magic and he wants to build kess, I told him its a complicated commander but he has a foil one... Ive seen so many deck lists but I dont understand how kess wins? making people discard their hands doesnt = win. can u pls explain it to me anyone? I dont see it but it seems like a cool commander
Tainted pact/ demonic consultation withthassas oracle or underworld breach lines with grinding station or brain freeze
Ok dude got cards worth my car and he got no sleeves
The f are the sleeves my guy
The cards are beautiful heirlooms from a bygone time. Handling them carefully doesn't harm them at all, and exhibiting them in sleeves degrades them. They just look better sleeveless, and deserve that.
This video was way too long. I watched at 2x speed at it still was brutal.
3 minutos falando de um raio mano!?!
Please sort your cards by function rather than converted mana cost. It is far better to visualize your ratios and balance that way.
Sure, there are modal spells which are more difficult to classify, but it should be easy enough to show the most common use, and potentially stack it near the next pile where it also fits as a transitional card from one part of the deck to the next. For example, Izzet Charm would have been a perfect way to go from counters to removal like Lightning Bolt. Another example is Tezzeret. While it has other abilities, we all know that it is a tutor first and foremost. It could be a great transition from tutors to your mana rocks and then into you mana base.
I love listening to your insight, and I think it could be delivered even better by having the deck better organized by function.
Thank you for the suggestions, they're something I can try to implement in future deck techs. I haven't done to many deck techs, so it's still a learning process!
Put some sleeves on, what’s wrong with you? Lol
But the cards look so pretty out of sleeves on camera! I don't play with them unsleeved :P
This makes me cringe. Unsleeved cards, with clear signs of damage.
I am sorry Brian, but this deck is NOT legal in duel Commander, and it is NOT built for multiplayer. You play in a bubble of Magic online duels. Meanwhile, in paper magic, there is a bannlist and rules for duels which you are not following.
Hey Paul, thanks for the feedback. You are right, this deck was built in the context of MTGO's multiplayer banned list. I don't normally play multiplayer online though, because it's a pretty miserable experience with people going AFK and so on. That said, I think the deck will do pretty well right out of the box in multiplayer, and will get stronger with a few small adjustments. Overall though, the recipe of Hullbreacher/Notion Thief/Narset + Wheel/Twister scales nicely in multiplayer, unless everyone else is also running the same toolset. I don't think I'd make too many adjustments if I played multiplayer. If anything, I might try weaving in the stupid Tainted Pact/Thassa's Oracle kill. But Breacher/Wheel is enough to beat the whole table.
As for paper "dual" Commander bannings, I have literally never encountered a single play group using that rule set. Maybe that's a consequence of where I live, I know the format is really popular in France.
@@Thebrianweissman - Thank you for the reply.
1. Yes, multiplayer has its own cEDH section with a different meta.
2. Duel commander is very popular in many countries outside of the USA. You probably don't remember me, but I met you a long time ago in Davis California where I am originally from, and I live in Peru now. I have been to Panama, Chile, Brazil and other places here duels are very almost the only way people play Commander in person. Even back in Davis and Sacrament in 2008-2011, duel commander tournaments were very popular. I wouldn't know anymore because i don't live there.
3. My suggestion is simply to make it clear what meta you are building for in your deck techs and maybe have a section at the end of your video for potential adjustments for different rules sets and metas.
As you are well aware, there is a huge difference between the tempo of a duel and signaling counter magic and EoT tricks... and playing multiplayer where you have 3+ opponents and you have to be far more proactive with free counterspells and free reactive tricks. Fast combo, stax, or "tap out" control are what I see the most of in cEDH.
@@PaulGaither you probably aren’t well aware but using words like ‘well aware’ and capitalising ‘NOT’ is a little rude and can come across as slightly aggressive.
@@andrewlyons6566 - Brian Weissman is literally the man who conceptualized Card Advantage and pushed the game forward more than any other single player in the history of this game. He is, by definition, well aware of the fact I gave. Despite your perspective on the matter, the purpose of the expression is to show the humility and respect that the person you are speaking to has full knowled of the context of what you are about to say, despite the formal need in our language to preface the idea. Sure, in spoken language people have used this in a more deminuative way. However, the internet does not allow for voice inflection or intonation. As such, the meaning you took from it is that of your own, and quite possibly the way you either naturally use it in your speech, or are otherwise accustomed to hearing it.
As far as the Capital "NOT", I can fully understand your point of view and would like to apologise if my intention was not clear.
Let us be honest with one another and that the comments section of CZcams is a difficult place to navigate due to overwhelming negativity and vitriol.
No sleeves like it's 1997 lol