7 Factors that Change a Dragon's Growth & Size in HOTD
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- Dragon sizes can vary wildly. While some are barely larger than horses, others can fill an entire chamber. These are MindQ's 7 factors that affect size of a Dragon in House Of The Dragon.
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I'd love to see what Valyria looked like back in the day. Dragons the same size as Balerion were probably everywhere.
Bruh legit! As far as we know Balerion wasn't anything incredibly impressive, by Valyrian standards he was a typically sized dragon. Imagining the skies filled with Beasts like the black dread is honesty Terrifying and Awesome.
Saaaaame! Praying for a show 🙏🏻
Agree, since the Targaryens were considered a lower house of Dragon Lords the other more powerful families could have had some twice his size or more...a show about Valyrian history would be epic
The same size and even bigger. the kids is cloudy no dragons are in the sky.
Yes, of course in Valeria there were more than 1000 colossal dragons, as big as godzilla and kaiju And they fed them by hunting millions of mammoths to another continent 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Enough with these theories and read the books
I reckon that being near a volcano could be a factor as well, as the dragons on dragonstone such as Vermithor and Silverwing appeared to grow at a greater rate than their counterparts who lived elsewhere.
Imagine how big Cannibal is then
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@@maddawg9636 Smaller than Balerion and Vhagar haha
@@1BadPrix guess we have to wait until season 2 to find out
@@1BadPrix Not really I think he's about the same size or bigger than balerion
i believe in the books, it hints to the fact that the maesters were working against the targaryens, and throughout the decades brewed potions and herbs that would purposefully make dragons smaller over time
Given these factors the Canibal would be huge the only factor he missed out on was the ambient magic of Valyria. Being a completely free dragon that has never been confined and very old it should as big as Vaghar.
Or Vermithor, considering his supposed age is closer to Vermithor's.
@@cringecat3614 it is said that canibal was already on dragonstone when the targaryens arrived, thats why he is so hostile against targaryen dragons, given that fact at the time of DoD canibal should be nearly twice the size of vhagar and much bigger than balerion.
@@OldFarmerJoe1 The books mentioning that "some claim he was there before" doesn't mean at all it's true. Fire & Blood gives the reader plenty of contradicting information all the time.
There are multiple theories on when Cannibal was born, for example him hatching from an egg given to Maegor or from a clutch laid by Vhagar.
Besides that, Vhagar is explicitly named by George as the largest dragon alive, just as Vermithor is consistently referred to as the second largest dragon.
@@Goetterkomplex_ im pretty sure we will learn more about Cannibal in the comming books, at least in HotD he should be seen since he flew over Corlys Velaryons funeral to "salute and pay respect" so if corlys dies in HotD we should get a glimps of Cannibal when he flies over the ceremony and im sure GRRM made him one of the 4 survivors of the DoD for one reason or another, im sure Cannibal has still a story to tell in the future.
@@OldFarmerJoe1 Fire&Blood explicitly says that the tale of Cannibal flying over Corlys' funeral is most likely bullshit since quote: "The Cannibal was more likely to eat Lord Corlys' body than salute it."
But agreed on the rest, we'll most likely see the influence (and death) of Cannibal, Silverwing, Sheepstealer and Morning in Fire & Blood Part 2
In the Valyrian era there were probably great houses that possessed dragons even bigger than the Balerion of House Tagaryen.
Unlikely, since if the dragons are too big they consume too much energy and are too heavy to fly (and if they can't fly anymore, for the evolution of a dragon it is the same as if they died)
What made the noble houses in Valyria more powerful was surely not the size of their dragons, but the number of adult dragons and political connections.
That’s just wrong. Dragons are magical creatures not natural! Their size has zero to do with their ability to fly!!
Warmth may also have influence.
Valyria laying in volcanos would provide warmth. Kings landing wasn't particular u warm while Dany Being in Essos could have progressed the growth of her dragons.
Even with the right conditions, I'd argue that there's a limit to how big a dragon could get.
In regards to Drogon, he'll continue to grow as he age. But I believe his growth rate would eventually slow down once he's passed maturity.
So basically, they grow as they age, and if their rider or environment is very magically powerful, then that bond only boosts it. (Magical Ambiance) Just let them fly wherever and eat whatever they want and let magic/nature take its course.
(I don't think their generations had a huge impact. Of course the younger generations would be smaller, they're obviously younger than the older generations so, if Dragons grow with age, common sense dictates they of course they'd be smaller than the older Dragons)
I wonder if the Dragon Keepers didn't know that captivity stunted a dragons growth because it seems counterintuitive to purposely keep the Targaryen's largest weapon and asset to their power in a cave.
most of captivated dragons are female dragons. They kept them for dragon eggs, syrax and dreamfyre spent most of their time for their eggs =)))
Maybe they did it to keep expense low.
If the dragons were bigger and constantly flying around. They will consume more food resources.
The Dragons of Valyria must have been the size of Kaiju.
Vhagar was reaching Balerion beacouse she was always free to roam,while Balerion was held in dragonpit a couple years before his death
Not a couple, 40 years to be exact
@@maddawg9636 wow thats too much.I was thinking ir was like ~10 years
I thought balerion became very lethargic as he became older
@@residentjoe05 Honestly I doubt that a dragon can only live that long, Balerion was fighting wars his entire life, when he came back from his journey of Old Valyria, he had a giant wound (No idea what in the hell managed to give him such a big wound, speculations are bigger dragon), and quite possibly contracted a virus that also killed his rider at the time (Girl forgot what her name was), and it was also speculated that Maesters were slowly poisoning the dragons - this makes sense because Citadel despises everything that has to do with magic and we know that Magic and Dragons are connected. So saying that dragon can live only as long as Balerion has is the same as saying that a man can live as long as a war veteran that spent his entire life fighting and in his retirement was doing drugs. We have tortoises that live to be 200, I refuse to believe a magical giant reptile can only live that long
@@maddawg9636 Aerea Targaryen was his rider then.
I think another factor could be inbreading has shown in your own family tree, balarion came from valyria and vaghar/meraxes where born from eggs that likely came from the older dragons that originally moved over so they are prime valyrian stock to speak as they produced strong offspring like vermithor, after that you start inbreading and you can see through the generations they get smaller aswell as getting deformities like caraxes, or that last dragon but then there's also the maesters conspiracy
I don't think that's the case, cause all the Dragons are closely related and of the same stock.. all of them came from Balerion, Meraxes, and Vhagar.
@@thalmoragent9344 True, that would include Drogon who was growing very fast, as well as Viserion and Rhaegal, lacked deformities. They were all normally formed. The biggest difference was they all, especially Drogon, didn't spend a lot of time in captivity. Having access to the sky seems to be by far the biggest factor.
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True. Letting them eat and fly whenever they wanted is what definitely allowed for the best growth. Rhaegal and Viserion are a little behind due to being locked up but, even then, they'll certainly be growing better once freed.
@@mikerude5073 I totally agree that freedom food and magic seems to be the most important but if you look at the family tree this dude made they would have been through only one round of inbreading if they are dreamfyres kids, where dragons like arrax or morning have been through 3 rounds of inbreeding, the last dragon probably more, I'm not saying its a massive factor but it might be a small one that helps explain things like how mutated caraxes is, but yeah freedom food and magic are definitely the most important, especially explains drogons size
@@stormerjc9493 That is a possiblility, but it's also entirely plausible inbreeding is normal for them. They may never have had that large of a genepool in the first place, even in Valeria. There are organisms in real life that take it a step further than inbreeding, and reproduce asexually. It's possible that they suffer from inbreeding however. I don't think JRR has ever commented on it.
Looking at how big Balerion is compared even to Vhagar makes me want a series about Aegon's conquest so bad.
Another wonderfully made video. Great footage used while you talk too. Loved it!!
I can't get over the fact that balerion around 120 130 years old was bigger than 180 year old vhagar
I've been searching for this exact sort of video explanation for this exact topic for days. You know what the people want!
based on existing animals (eg. crocodile), those that live in the wild gets bigger than those in captivity. but their quantities are relatively fewer because of tough survival.
Big crocs eat a lot of the smaller ones or push them out of territories
With respect to the generation argument determining size, that would negate the age theory as it would impossible for a 2nd generation to possibly equal the size of the first UNLESS it lived as long. Therefore as we (SPOILER ALERT) should all know; by the end of The Dance the remaining Gen 1 dragon as it were, Vhagar, is at least 80 years older than any Gen 2. And as all of those died, it's impossible to know if Vermithor, the most likely candidate, could have reached Vhagar's size or even Balerions'. This is of course double so for all the Gen 3's and to say nothing of the 4th generation dragons.
Glad someone pointed this out
You forgot budget, the reason Syrax didn’t change since ep 1
Yeah, she was supposed to be Caraxes' size by the time of Rhaenyra's coronation, according to the books.
@@cringecat3614 well in terms of bulk she does match ceraxes but ceraxes has miss longer appendages (longer tail, neck, and wings) but if you look at daemon riding his body you can tell that ceraxes isn’t too bulky
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In the books, Drogon at 8 years of age is NOT as big as Meleys (he's more like Arrax size).... that's just on the show
Damn those long neck dragons look scary as hell man.
Only one, and it’s ceraxes
Where did you find that art work ?
about the species thing, the 3 species of dragons were the 3 subspecies the targs owned/bred and rode however there were other subspecies of dragon, the books and GRRM do imply grey ghost and cannibal were not from the 3 subspecies the targs had hence why they either avoided or attacked and killed targs or the targ dragons without hesitation and also bc they both look much different compared to the other known targ dragons yet it is not bc of a deformity like in caraxes case where as as sheep stealer despite being wild atleast tolerated the targ dragons and targs being around him and later letting nettles bond with him compared to the other 2 wild dragons that had a flee or kill on sight mentality (unless they provoked him) and unlike grey ghost and cannibal also had a very similar appearance to the targ dragons (most notably vermithor as sheep stealer is basically stated to be a smaller and uglier version of vermithor) and based on that evidence grey ghost/cannibal being apart of atleast 1 different sub species/lineage not related to the targ/targ dragons (could be 2 separate sub species/lineages since grey ghost and cannibal look nothing alike either and act much differently)
They should have started with Daenys dream and them leaving Valyria, also show the doom, THEN show the conquest
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I have always believed that the rebirth of dragons is not a source of the return of magic, but a symptom. For magic returns and becomes stronger in places extremely far from Daenerys. Melisandre said that at the wall her magic had never been so strong. Thoros from the world resurrects Beric Dondarion. Others reappear behind the wall. In addition, at least 4 Warg children are born in the Stark family. Jon Snow manifested magic by possessing the Ghost in a dream, and Varamyr Sixskins also mentioned that Jon is much stronger than him. Bran is clear. Yarya in Bravos possessed cats and Nymeria across the sea. And Rickon had a prophetic dream with ned. I won't say anything about Sansa and Rob. I don't remember them ever showing true magical abilities. The bottom line is that it's not just Valyria's magic that's coming back. Literally all over the world, magic grows and becomes stronger. As some character said, I can’t say for sure, probably Quayt, “A new Age of heroes is coming.” Other than that, we have no direct evidence that dragons grow worse in dungeons, as Viserion and Rhaegal have grown to about the same size as Drogon, at least in the Show. That is, if it affects it, it is not too significant. I'll be glad to hear comments.
Caraxes was bigger in ep. 10 than earlier, but that's just my opinion
Vhagar is Horse breed to be honest ! Her head have shape simillar to Syrax, and she didn't have much spike ! One thing to identify each breed will be:
- Dinosaur-breed: having alot of spikes through out their body.
- Horse-breed: weird head shape, didn't have much spikes, can fly longer than other breed, and better at controling flight. This is damn true with Syrax and Vhagar ! They both can fly at long distance and can do some hard skill such as landing in narrow space like Syrax do in ep2 when she land at the road to the castle of Dragonstone, and Vhagar land down beside the Driftmark castle after her flight with Aemond at ep6. Though the space so narrow for a giant being like Vhagar, she still land down perfectly !
- Wolf-breed: scary face, love killing, and fiercing personality. They not easy to tame, alway angry and ready to kill. Also they show that they're the breed that have the highest Combat IQ and skill ! We can see this so correct in Vermax, the 1st time he appear, he've shown that himself were a natural born killer, the 1st thing he do is roar into Jace face and then so exiting to kill the sheep ! Meleys and Caraxes is so basic to this breed anyway
Bruh…no lmao! You can’t lump multiple dragons into a single breed because they “good at flying”? Or “good at killing” vhagar and syrax have entirely different anatomical structures. Syrax has 4 horns, vhagar has dozens of small ones. They’re faces are an entirely different shape, vhagar posesses a Dulap, and syrax has a spiky chest. Syrax has a tail stabiliser and vagaries has a whip tail
The list goes on, there’s more than 3 breeds of dragon in this show, there’s at least 7. Seasmoke and dreamfyre share the same breed as Danny’s dragons because they’re literally the same. They’re identical. That’s how you tell they’re the same breed. Dragons with entirely different body structures can’t be the same breed
Wasn't dany's dragons much smaller in book?
The whole breed argument is contradictory in my opinion. A huge part of it should take into consideration who the parents of the dragons are and what genes the single individual has inherited. Meleys, my favourite dragon in both GOT and HOTD universes along with Rhaegal, is Caraxes's sister yet they look vastly different due to her brother's phenotype abnormalities. That being said, it was specifically stated that the 3 breeds were based on head shape and we can tell most of them apart through this criterion, but when it comes to the rest of the dragon's characteristics it becomes more complicated. So it really comes down to the single specimen's phenotype in my opinion.
Meleys and Caraxes are definitely the most unique out of all the dragons we've seen on screen so far, and seeing Caraxes's offspring (Vermax and Arrax), it's evident how the parents' characteristics influence a dragon's phenotype since both siblings have inherited his father's head shape and lean structure although lacking his deformities and extreme appearance.
So to sum everything up, you can surely separate dragons into breeds, but when it comes to certain individuals it's really all about their very unique phenotype, which could possibly be considered a different breed itself just like in cats or dogs nowadays.
There are more than 3 breeds of dragons in the show, and meleys and ceraxes are definitely not the same breed.
Also vhagar and vermithor are also different looking, vermithor has birds and vhagar doesn’t. If ur gonna lump all those dragons into those breeds his u gonna explain arrax and vermax being unique as-well? Face it I think they were talking about 3 breeds in that interview but they stated at least 3 and clearly they made more. There are at least 7 breeds in this show
also dragons do better in areas with volcanic activity
looks like how wolves turn into dogs
they are getting smaller and smaller
I have been searching why drogon grew faster i did not find
At what age Rhaegal and Viserion died?
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Interesting, if dragons have an indeterminant growth rate until they are too big and can no longer survive because of it, does that mean that Daenerys's dragons that grow faster will die sooner?
I disagree with generations, all of those dragons died in combat and so didn't live to Vhagar and Balerion age
Maraxes is the second biggest (she was described to be bigger than vhagar) and she died in dorne
She only lived untill 60 years Vahger lived 3 times that and in the show she is nearly as tall has the walls of the fortress. Had she lived until 220 isah like the Black Dread would would have surpassed him in size and its likely that the Black Dread was small sized dargon compared to the ones form 500 ish years before game of thrones. so Dargons that dwarf those fortress walls might have been the norm and might have exceeding the size of the largest supertanks and ultra large cargo ships in dimensions.
@@resurgentclassbattlecruise7698 I'm not talking about vhagar today I'm talking about dragons that were bigger than vhagar at any point in her life and maraxes was close to balerion in size with vhagar being the smallest of the 3 if maraxes had lived its safe to confirm she would've been bigger than vhagar
@@lillypharaoh5945 She might have gorn faster and longer during her early years but Vahger might have etten biiger meals and more often allowing her to nearly keep her growth rate while Meraxes might have etten smaller meals less often even if she had the magic to grow larger than Vhagar,.
@@lillypharaoh5945 Yep Meraxes was bigger than Vhagar before it died in Dorne. Out of thr 3 OG Targaryen dragons, Vhagar is the smallest.
@@resurgentclassbattlecruise7698 I don't know rhaenys seems like the more lax dragon mastress vs visenya, disciplined visenya seems more likely to lock up her dragon if she's not needing her than free spirited crazy rhaenys
Do you think other houses in old Valyria had larger dragons than the Targaryen’s
The targaryens were among the smaller weaker families of dragonlords so yes
there are 40 dragonlord in Valyria, Targaryen was probably between ranking 30 to 40. SO yeah, there are larger dragon beside Targaryen.
@@ardhi738 I just wonder, who was the number 1 family and how powerful were they?
@@cringecat3614 we don't know, how powerful, my guess they had more or less the number of dragons the targaryens had during the dance which was around 20.
We only know of another family, The Belaerys, Jaehera Belarys went to explore southoryos on her dragon but we don't know if they were weaker or stronger than the targaryens, there also Aurion the guy who proclaimed himself Emperor of Valyria with his dragon following the doom but we don't know what family he belonged to
@@ardhi738 I know that but is it specifically stated or is it an assumption?
Drogon is very bigger than an elephant
I think the bound between a human can make them grow we have evidenced of dragon making human rider Heather braver so maybe if the human gose through a growth sprout the bound could make the dragon grow
You really ought to put a spoiler warning
The books have been out for years, the season has ended a couple of weeks back. So, no
Warcraft and Elden Ring Dragon sizes maybe something cool as well to cover. These dragons though were no where near as big as say Ancalagon and dragons of the War of Wrath in the Silmarillion are still very huge on average. Gransax and Deathwing are the biggest ones of their worlds.
but this is about the world of westeros?
The blood magic argument doesnt make sense, the size of Daenery's dragons on tv is a complete invention, in reality, they follow the same grow rate as dragons in HOTD, as in the end of 5th book drogon barely have a wingspan of 20ft, as expected for a dragon of his age, be careful mixing tv and books information, dragons in HOTD are kinda accurate to the books data, while dragons in GOT are that big just for entertainment purposes, the directors stupidity and fame thirst.
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bro drogon isnt the size of a orse that dragon scale chart is stupid
Dude, That's the actual and accurate size od Dragons according to the author and it is in books.
Show Drogon is just a Fan Service.
Drogon was only few years old, showrunners made them bigger
It’s a size chart from the books not the show
@@dineshbalu6107 bro so ur saying drogon was the size of a big no he was the size of meleys
@@Alpha-hp7xvyes, that is how the showrunnes decided to make Drogon for the cool factor,but his actual size is supposed to be in the size of Arrax
Balerion is overrated. Vhagar is way more badass. Balerion never really saw any action after the death of Maegor the Cruel. By the time he reached his full size, he was basically a bench warmer and hadn`t been ridden to war in decades.
Vhagar, on the other hand, was ridden to war against Dorne and Myrish pirates on Tarth during the reign of Jahaerys. She was active well into her old age. By the time of the Dance, she was surely much bigger than Balerion had been during the Conquest, and caused much more damage.
Uhh she wasn't bigger than balerion at any point dude. She's similar to his size at the conquest but she never ever grew bigger. Meraxes would have been bigger than vhagar as well
Balerion flew to Old Valyria with Princess Aerea, came back with a giant wound and quite possibly a virus, Aerea died from the virus. This is the reason I wholeheartedly believe dragons can outlive Balerion, 250 years is nothing, this is supposed to be a magical flying creature and it only gets to live that old? We have tortoises nowadays that live to 200
@@josephayers7395 I said Vhagar was bigger during the Dance than Balerion was during the Conquest. Balerion was somewhere around 100 years old during the Conquest. Vhagar was 180 during the Dance. She would have to have been quite a bit bigger.
@@occamtherazor3201 She wasn't bigger than balerion at his biggest. Thats a fact
@@josephayers7395 Well, that is not necessarily a fact, but, I never claimed that she was. I said she was bigger DURING THE DANCE, than Balerion was DURING THE CONQUESTS.
As in, 181 year old Vhagar was bigger than 100 year old Balerion.
Also, Vhagar was much more active at the height of her power than Balerion.
Balerion spent his last 40 or 50 years getting fat in the Dragonpit.
Vhagar spent her old age committing war crimes.
This is absolutely inaccurate