GM Truck REDUCED POWER P1515: EPIC BATTLE! -Part 2

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  • čas přidán 7. 08. 2020
  • 2 WEEKS after the initial diagnosis, the fussy Chevy set the dreaded P1515 DTC AGAIN!
    I suspect the reman throttle body is the culprit.
    Can we retrofit a brand-new later model 8.1L throttle body to this 2002 truck?
    More and more hurdles come our way as I attempt to make the new TB work.
    Enjoy the struggle!
    Ivan
  • Auta a dopravní prostředky

Komentáře • 317

  • @nv1493
    @nv1493 Před 4 lety +3

    I like seeing your honesty when facing a problem - sometimes 2 steps back. But continuing to try to solve.
    We've all had those garage moments when you just want to close the hood and walk away.

  • @ronringel9132
    @ronringel9132 Před 4 lety +5

    Ivan, I can't wait to see video part 3.

  • @mikefoehr235
    @mikefoehr235 Před 4 lety +5

    I am so happy i do not own a FORD or GM anymore. I feel WAY less stress driving Toyota....never seen any of these problems. Ivan, i am rooting for you. You have never failed yet to repair a vehicle. I am amazed at your knowledge.

  • @ppeterson9359
    @ppeterson9359 Před 4 lety +2

    This reminded me of the intro to the old ABC Wide World of Sports: "The thrill of victory and the agony of defeat."
    Good luck Ivan. If nothing else, an epic case study.

  • @baddriversofnorthtexas6850

    I actually like these types of projects. Parts swapping different types of designs and testing to get them to work. And it's so satisfying when it works. Like putting a TPI on an engine that had TBI, with all the rewiring, burning chips, and moving hardware around. But that's mostly 80s technology. Nowadays it's all computer programming, and we dont get to see the sourcecode.

  • @billyyoder8171
    @billyyoder8171 Před 4 lety +2

    Thank you Ivan. Good job. Have a blessed and safe week to you and your family.

  • @QBRX
    @QBRX Před 4 lety

    Wow, what a struggle. You're a champ for being so creative Ivan.

  • @billmaxfield7831
    @billmaxfield7831 Před 4 lety

    Wow-what a pisser!!! Good luck Ivan, I am certain you can clear this up!!

  • @TheRallyCoop
    @TheRallyCoop Před 4 lety +1

    Thanks for showing the waveform for the throttle actuator.

  • @jamesbruno5896
    @jamesbruno5896 Před 4 lety +6

    I feel your pain Ivan SO close!!

  • @georgebonney90
    @georgebonney90 Před 4 lety +1

    Thats frustrating,thank u so much for posting this,u are way braver then I👍

  • @irenesilvers7096
    @irenesilvers7096 Před 4 lety +1

    Very nice video, thank you. It is a mystery.

  • @2nickles647
    @2nickles647 Před 4 lety +11

    Ivan.
    I ran into the same issue a few years back on. 04 GMC sierra 8.1 liter. I replaced the TPS assembly or gas pedal. Problem went away for a few months. The assembly was from Autozone or Dorman crap. I replaced the assembly from Acdelco. Problem fixed.
    If the assembly is from autozone or dorman . trash it. Then a few months ago. Problem resurfaced. Just as you were doing. I replaced pigtails. Cut one wire at a time and soldered the new pigtails. Then replaced the actuator. Bought a new kit. The throttle body is mechanical and is ok. Now the truck is running just fine. It appears the owner did cut wires. Anyhow. Check the gas pedal assembly. AC delco and Dorman will not communicate with each other. Hope that helps.

  • @arthurfricchione8119
    @arthurfricchione8119 Před 4 lety +3

    Waiting for part 3. Ivan this is a tough one when you have to travel so far. Like I said stick with scissor lifts. Bummer when you can’t get an OEM part. Maybe I should start collecting OEM parts for my two Hondas because I have no intentions of buying one of these new electronic nightmares.LOL Any how stay safe and well Artie 😒

  • @boomer9900
    @boomer9900 Před 4 lety +9

    I didn't like the look of those throttle motor pulses looking like "V" and not a true square wave on the bottom trace. It looks like the driver transistor circuit might have a current limiter on it and cannot pulse enough current to move the motor properly, or maybe the motor has friction or shorted windings. I think if you understand the strange scope patterns you will solve this one.

  • @zx8401ztv
    @zx8401ztv Před 4 lety +2

    I was going to say ' put a resistor in the negative pot lead ' But that would correct one thing but create another.
    You would need something like a variable gain d.c amplifier/attenuator, something like that.

  • @thehemiolds455
    @thehemiolds455 Před 4 lety +13

    I’ll say those reman throttle body might be dorman 😂

    • @bentboybbz
      @bentboybbz Před 4 lety +1

      Especially if bought at autozone. Lol.

  • @needhelp2453
    @needhelp2453 Před 4 lety +2

    This reminds me of when I was a Porsche / Audi tech. Too many stupid electrical problems.

  • @arsinoeivlostprincess4228

    The spliced wires are suspect. I think the emissions would want the throttle to close a certain way maybe a delay in closing maybe that's messed up Is max throttle part of a governor system over rev system. I would have gotten two or three out of a junk yard getting the exact part. Great stuff. The replacement pedal might be suspect. I'd get a junk yard one or two.

  • @rode3016
    @rode3016 Před 4 lety +1

    One thing you could try is; rebuilding original Throttle body with new GM sensors; Rock auto site, has new part numbers. i think its; TPS -ACDELCO 213912 and IAC valve-ACDELCO 17113598. Not sure about that; Auto zone gas pedal setup too. Possibly you can rebuild the original on that, also. I agree; Tuff to troubleshoot, with bad reman parts. its like, Chasing your tale.

  • @baxrok2.
    @baxrok2. Před 4 lety

    Wow, this is a tough one Ivan. When you fix it, your fix will be the probably be the one that keeps the 8.1's alive for few more years!

  • @BigDaddy_MRI
    @BigDaddy_MRI Před 4 lety

    Maybe you only have to tell the throttle controller to re-learn the full travel of the throttle pedal.
    Sounds like to me with a correctly working throttle body, the system has to re-learn the throttle and throttle positions?
    I’ve seen Eric O. do this re-learn function. Give it a try.
    And WHERE’S PART 3?? Jeez man, sitting on the edge of my seat!! Great video series!! Thank you. Now MOVE it!!

  • @Charles_Mulberry_7977
    @Charles_Mulberry_7977 Před 4 lety +3

    What trick will Ivan pull out of his hat for Part 3? Stay tuned to find out!

  • @HouseCallAutoRepair
    @HouseCallAutoRepair Před 4 lety +4

    LOL I'm working on a 2004 that looks like the same truck! (well almost... this one looks like someone took a can opener to the doors....) Front and rear brakes, parasitic draw, rear bumper, front and rear lighting issues, etc. All I have left is to put the bumper on today....
    Nice job explaining the process as always. Will a Relearn fix it??? Part 3!

  • @mike_svt93
    @mike_svt93 Před 4 lety +4

    There should be a relearn/calibration procedure. The way it resets itself may be an indication of this, IDK. I think owners who experience this have been able to shut off the engine, restart and problem temporarily clears as if it's not a solid failure.

  • @rcook1276
    @rcook1276 Před 4 lety +2

    Sorry Ivan, but it's s good to see a pro get as frustrated as I get on most projects.

  • @gaad7938
    @gaad7938 Před 4 lety +1

    If all else fails, buy an LM358 opamp and a few resistors. Set up opamp as a "subtractor". We won't use the 2nd throttle position sensor at all - it will be taken out of the circuit entirely. Wire the 5v wire of one of the position sensors (say, TPP1) to 2 places: 1) the opamp power input, Vin, and 2) to the opamp Signal 1 input. Then wire TPP1 output to the 2nd opamp (Signal 2) input. Then take the opamp output (which will be the difference of the 5v reference and the 1st position sensor output) and wire it to the 2nd position sensor pin going back to the TAC module. You will completely take the 2nd position sensor out of the picture, but you will always have the correct differential voltage that the TAC is expecting to see (the output of the 2 position sensors will always add up to the reference voltage). Problem solved. Biggest drawback is that you no longer have the "safety valve" that sets the "Reduced Engine Power" mode. If TPP1 goes back you are SOL. After wiring up & testing just mix up a bunch of epoxy, slather it around the LM358 and resistors, let it cure, install it and you are good to go.

  • @nbrowser
    @nbrowser Před 4 lety +20

    Remember when there was a simple steel cable that went from your right foot to the throttle blades? I do...such simpler times!

    • @bryanlatimer-davies1222
      @bryanlatimer-davies1222 Před 4 lety +4

      What's not there cannot go wrong,

    • @toddsonic
      @toddsonic Před 4 lety +3

      Manual throttle cables break as well just takes a lot more miles, the good old mechanical linkages require some maintenance but can last almost forever.

    • @PeteJacksonPapasVlogs
      @PeteJacksonPapasVlogs Před 4 lety +1

      Todd Ector I throw a little graphite cable lube down each of the three cables that come off the throttle body of my Jeep once a year.
      For those wondering why there’s three? Accelerator, TV (line pressure control for the transmission) and cruise control actuator. I’ve not had a failure of any of these since I started adding this to my yearly checks.

    • @bigcheese781
      @bigcheese781 Před 4 lety

      When the grounding-strap between engineblock and chassis went out, you'd have an additional path for the starter current too! Sometimes triple duty as an engine bay light/heater during cranking! 😉

    • @RicardoPCGamer
      @RicardoPCGamer Před 4 lety

      Both of the Ford's at my house are over 15 years old and have throttle cables. They still work fine, even tho they are not as touchy as the electric throttles.

  • @fieldsofomagh
    @fieldsofomagh Před 4 lety +2

    Said it before, the design of these engines have so many variables that it is miracle that they work at all. Rule of thumb, dont mess with engine design or any other design. The time factor is humongous and return on investment, is prohibitive. Best advice to give, is move on to the promised land and don't look back.

  • @mericaactual3030
    @mericaactual3030 Před 4 lety +2

    Excellent point about these fly by wire cars. I’m assuming they learned they can make more money if they sell you a new car/truck as opposed to just a new throttle body. Just like everything these days, ulterior motives are at play.

  • @odin-eliottodinson7330
    @odin-eliottodinson7330 Před 4 lety +3

    First, sorry for my bad English, it's not my native language.
    I've worked on a few cars with DBW over the years, and if you clean or change the TB, you need to run a TBA (Throttle-Body-Alignment).
    I would expect a Chevy Truck to require the same, due to the difference in a set of potmeters (difference in manufacture/different batches and so on).
    Saw someone suggest to just start the vehicle and let it run for 25 mins or so and the TBA would be performed automatically. On VAG this procedure might seem to work, but running an adaption with a scantool is more precise and quicker than letting the car "guess" with fuzzylogics by itself. (And you won't get the FULL position just based on the LOW/IDLE position. It just sets a baseline.)
    BTW, Thank you for your entertaining videos. I really miss working on cars when I'm watching you videos.

  • @sanctealphonse4510
    @sanctealphonse4510 Před 4 lety +1

    1. thanks for publishing videos on the weekend. After a long days work out in the Phoenix heat of 111f it's nice to crash on the couch with a beer and watch your videos!
    2. Wouldn't it have been better to just buy a used throttle body for the same gen on eBay and save yourself some headache?
    I'm looking forward to seeing the conclusion. If you can't make this happen nobody can!

  • @somerandomguy3868
    @somerandomguy3868 Před 4 lety +1

    That sucks, would it help if you could adjust the TPS wot at the pedal, resetting the wot just a little bit lower, great diagnosis and video, looking forward to how this concludes

  • @vpimike2646
    @vpimike2646 Před 4 lety +9

    Ivan, I admire your determination and perseverance. You keep fixating on the throttle body despite the fact that three different units exhibit the same problem. Perhaps the other potentiometer in the circuit is the problem? How about checking the pedal? Maybe he has a Dorman accelerator pedal position sensor?

    • @vpimike2646
      @vpimike2646 Před 4 lety +3

      At 3:11, you found the "desired TP" at 5. All of my cars never go that low. This would lead me to believe that you are getting an erroneous signal from the accelerator pedal position sensor.

    • @vpimike2646
      @vpimike2646 Před 4 lety +3

      BTW, I am really enjoying your channel. You are a natural born test engineer. GM needs to hire you to run their electronics test division.

    • @PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
      @PineHollowAutoDiagnostics  Před 4 lety +3

      I don't trust the reman tbs... Have to eliminate that variable, but that's easier said than done lol

    • @tonyfremont
      @tonyfremont Před 3 lety +1

      @@vpimike2646 would that imply a vacuum leak somewhere, in the first video it set the code with engine not even running. I'm guessing maybe an EM interference issue causing the PCM to misinterpret one of the position sensors. Maybe something aftermarket, maybe a motorized thing like a fuel pump, something that kicks on at random times for a few seconds. It doesn't seem to be anything directly wired to the actuator module or throttle body, under the hood.
      I'd also be interested in the signal (sensor) ground at the other end, or at a splice in the harness. If any of those three wires (sensor, 5v ref or sensor ground) is intermittent, the PCM is going to see insanity on the signal wire of a sensor.

    • @gloknor
      @gloknor Před 2 lety

      I have had a lot of bad Dorman products over the years, try to avoid them since there all farmed out products from China with very little quality control. Cost a little less but costs you more in labor replacing it twice.or even more .

  • @TheOlah
    @TheOlah Před 4 lety +4

    I had a similar issue with my 07 Yukon after cleaning the throttle body. I don't recall the exact code I had but I was having an issue where I would start the vehicle and if I gave it some gas it would stay and hold at a high rev 2-3k. Tried idle learn reset with no luck. Was on the verge of buying a new TPS but I tested the coils and the position sensor and ohm'd out fine.
    I ended up having to reflash the PCM and the issue has been gone ever since. Very weird issue that the PCM must be storing some idle position values and may be a similar situation you are occuring.

  • @sandyande
    @sandyande Před 4 lety +1

    The Amish don't have any problems with throttle bodies LOL cheers sandy

  • @TheRallyCoop
    @TheRallyCoop Před 4 lety +1

    Just thinking out loud. It may be worth it to pull a Bernie T and use the oscilloscope to monitor both APP sensors, power and ground on the PCM, Throttle control module, both TPS and current ramp of the motor current simultaneously. I’d give weeks salary to see the correlation between all of these signals when it fails. It’s interesting that it failed when you suddenly release the pedal. Seems like CEMF at work upon releasing the pedal which switches the polarity abruptly on the motor. Thanks again for the video, the community is about to learn big time from your efforts!

  • @kkovler1
    @kkovler1 Před 4 lety +2

    good thing the customer has you to try a fix. Is it worth all the trouble and expense, only the customer can answer that question!

  • @rbwooley
    @rbwooley Před 4 lety +1

    Had problem like this and it was just broken harness from engine vibration. It was inches from where you are working. If this is not problem, I think relearn too.
    Robert

  • @annaplojharova1400
    @annaplojharova1400 Před 3 lety

    And one other remark: You will practically never find two redundant signals from any sensor to be at the same level of the sensed input, but there will always be a significant difference. Either going in opposition to each other (like here) or each using only part of the range (e.g. one goes 0.5..2V, the other 3..4.5V or so). The reason is for the ECU to be able to sense possible short circuit fault between these two signal wires (it should yield impossible signal combination). And the 0..0.5 and 4.5..5V are ranges where a fault is detected (with a real potentiometer it would correspond to some open or short circuit fault, these contactless electronic sensors set the voltage there when detecting some internal fault, to mimic a wiring defect so the ecu knows the sensor does not work).

  • @bigcheese781
    @bigcheese781 Před 4 lety +11

    One simple fix: Put a stop-screw on the APP, maxing out at 95%.
    Although consider that the PID parameters are tuned for a less sensitive actuator, this means you'll have less control margins towards an instable system on that new style TB. Control instability shows as butterfly flutter/oscillations. It's probably OK, but check it for such tendencies.

  • @VWWRENCHIE
    @VWWRENCHIE Před 4 lety +2

    Makes you want to sing..."oh give me a carburetor and a couple good screwdrivers..."😃

    • @bigcheese781
      @bigcheese781 Před 4 lety

      2 × holly double pumpers.... But can you really justify a pair of those without a blower on such an engine?
      Stupid big with a sprinkle of lunacy ftw!

  • @ratfink9205
    @ratfink9205 Před 4 lety

    Chased a similar problem for months on my mom's Saturn. Finally tracked it down to a weather tight connector in the DS foot panel (I think that's what it's called) I cleaned it out with electrical cleaner, used dielectric grease then a zip tie because from what I found researching here and on google was the connector would work loose, collect moisture and set codes resulting in RP mode. Hasn't done it since.

  • @jdtractorman7445
    @jdtractorman7445 Před 4 lety +4

    You may have already tried this Ivan, but even though the actual GM part is obsolete, ask a Chevy dealer if they can do a dealer search. Maybe somewhere in this country there may be one sitting on GM dealers part shelf, it's worth a shot if you have not tried that.

    • @manuelmarques4660
      @manuelmarques4660 Před 4 lety +1

      I had a Chrysler dealer do this for a 2013 Dodge Ram! Drivers door module discontinued apparently crazy how quick cars are outdated these days

    • @manuelmarques4660
      @manuelmarques4660 Před 4 lety

      Just to be clear no module was found at any dealer in the country. I had to pick one up from a junkyard !

  • @999thenewman
    @999thenewman Před 4 lety +1

    You can also install an older intake and throttle assembly to drive by wire.

  • @DIYDaveOK
    @DIYDaveOK Před 4 lety +1

    If there's no throttle relearn, the cool Ivan solution would be to wire up a circuit to translate the voltage range to what's expected and, in effect, tell the computer exactly what it expects to see 😁

  • @Chico-td2fy
    @Chico-td2fy Před 4 lety +1

    Just put 650 holly and a throttle cable on it old skool😁🔧🔧

  • @fenceman53
    @fenceman53 Před 4 lety +2

    Parts cannon getting red hot at this point. I feel the pain. I have a 2003 2500hd and 2004 3500 that both have had the reduced engine power virus

  • @toddsonic
    @toddsonic Před 4 lety +3

    Throttle cables break eventually as well, but they last much longer.
    That being said modern vehicles and their precision controls to make them shift smoother, maximize fuel economy and minimizing emissions sadly require electronic throttle bodies.

  • @mobilecommunicationsnetwor5268

    Would Identifix or GM TSB's offer some help with the problem? Also support line at one of the remanufactured part companys.

  • @DaveSender66
    @DaveSender66 Před 4 lety

    Ivan you always pick the easy one's. Can't wait for part 3.
    Curious what Identifazio is thinking about this one?

  • @willemstreutgers1154
    @willemstreutgers1154 Před 4 lety +28

    Just a question; should the throttlebody be relearned to the system? Did you check the cable loom there has been a lot of clipping and soudering in there. Anyway i remember some Audi's have to run at idle for about 25 minutes to relearn the throttlebody to the actuatorpedal and system.

    • @operator8014
      @operator8014 Před 4 lety +7

      That's something that I was wondering. The relearn system exists for exactly that kind of issue.

    • @PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
      @PineHollowAutoDiagnostics  Před 4 lety

      Interesting. I'll have to check on the relearn... Thought the parameters were preset in the TAC module

    • @mikebrennan4534
      @mikebrennan4534 Před 4 lety +1

      Newer GM vehicles allow you to relearn throttle positions or idle limits. Ones this old do not. I believe it was somewhere around 2007 - 2009 the relearn came into play

    • @operator8014
      @operator8014 Před 4 lety

      @@mikebrennan4534 I just looked it up, in case I'm dumb (happens more and more these days) and Cardone has a relearn procedure available for the part.

    • @throttlebottle5906
      @throttlebottle5906 Před 4 lety

      there has to be some sort of relearn procedure or it would be broken right from the start due to slight mechanical and TPS difference/offset.
      likely the reason the old units with external TPS failed more often, wear in the gears/shaft/tps bore offsetting the control and TPS signals from known motor position and having slop in there would make it never right again.
      from the looks of it, grounds to the TAC are very critical and known to cause random problems and the past repaired wire harness break issue. it looks like there may have been some programming updates also to help the issue.
      the early setup looks like a chinese finger pull toy, no mater how you fight it's a lose-lose situation lol

  • @Graham_Wideman
    @Graham_Wideman Před 4 lety +5

    Ivan -- I guess you've solved the problem by now in episode 3. But I'm curious whether the reduced span of the new TPS signal is due to the motion of the throttle rotation using a smaller proportion of the pot's range, or are there additional resistors in series with one or both ends of the pot? (Internal to the throttle body/TPS housing.) The latter is potentially fixable.

  • @sargetester99
    @sargetester99 Před 4 lety +6

    Reroute the wire harness of the throttle body away from the alternator !! The alternator will add and subtract voltage from the tps by the use of magnetic induction, during different vehicle power loads,
    Or shield the wires with metal shield attached to negative ground.

    • @sargetester99
      @sargetester99 Před 4 lety +2

      Even a small voltage spike from alternator at the right time and , added to, or subtracted from, the sensor, will not agree within the tolerance of the computer.

    • @sumduma55
      @sumduma55 Před 4 lety +1

      @@sargetester99 do you mean like the original symptom?
      I think a large problem with the alternator theory is when it us repeoduced with the engine off. It sound more like an intermittrnt ground issue to me. At least with the original aftermarket throttle body.

    • @liviu2004
      @liviu2004 Před 4 lety +1

      Master, is the engine off? May I ask if that makes any sense to you what you’re seeing?

  • @andrewh.6076
    @andrewh.6076 Před 4 lety +1

    Привет Ivan! I'm not sure about this one track, but if it has throttle control module it's need to be throttle calibration option... Try Launch

  • @ghostfox3560
    @ghostfox3560 Před 4 lety

    A good example of why I prefer my throttle to be linked via mechanical means. I never trust wires to control what was better controlled by mechanical connections.

  • @ValeriosD
    @ValeriosD Před 4 lety +3

    Is there throttle body limits relearn or some kind of calibration? It seems like it needs one after replacing throttle bodies of TAC.

  • @bentboybbz
    @bentboybbz Před 4 lety +1

    Honestly ivan i disconnect the battery anytime i swap a part like this. Usually 15 or 20 minutes. Time consuming but can help keep modules from acting funky after changing a part and giving you false information. @ 12:41

  • @mikechiodetti4482
    @mikechiodetti4482 Před 4 lety +2

    What about a throttle body relearn with the old tb and the control module? How many recalls or updates do they have for that old system? PCM or TAC reflash?
    What about iATN? I know they've updated their system.

  • @JOHNSUE28
    @JOHNSUE28 Před 4 lety +6

    ReString all circuits involved from the TB to the throttle control module, I would also ReString the App. Circuits. At this point, I would seriously consider this. No Crimp and seals. I have access to terminals and build my own harness. GM references this issue in Document ID: 1869994

    • @JOHNSUE28
      @JOHNSUE28 Před 4 lety +3

      I have seen at least 6 simular cases in our Dealership. As Gm Technical Assitance explains it, Resistance in those connections can and will cause your issue. That why we build our own harness, Crimp the ends, add a small amount of solder to the terminal crimps, and eliminate the crimp and seals. Wire degradation and splice issues cause the issue. rarely a component failure.

    • @snoopdogie187
      @snoopdogie187 Před 4 lety +1

      After seeing all those spliced wires, and how sensitive this computer is to the voltage reading, I was thinking the same thing. Use good wire from one end to the other and reduce any voltage drops, especially at the lower voltages that this runs at.

    • @PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
      @PineHollowAutoDiagnostics  Před 4 lety +1

      What code did those cases set? If it wasn't the P1515 or P1516 then it's a different animal...

    • @JOHNSUE28
      @JOHNSUE28 Před 4 lety

      P1516 P2135. Mine was 2003 K2500 8.1 also.

    • @JOHNSUE28
      @JOHNSUE28 Před 4 lety

      PIndrag, PinFit issues, Fretting, And wiring splice issues.

  • @ronfess8605
    @ronfess8605 Před 4 lety +2

    had the same concern turned out to be the alt. it had bad diodes that were good bad good bad

  • @annaplojharova1400
    @annaplojharova1400 Před 3 lety

    One important warning here: What looks like a potentiometer, in a normal circuit even seem to behave like a potentiometer, in reality in most present cars is NOT A POTENTIOMETER, but an electronic contact less position sensor just designed to ACT LIKE a potentiometer in and ONLY in the original circuit (so only with the correct polarity and with the voltage within specified tolerance; otherwise it pretend an fault on the output). So swapping the power and ground will make it not working (but it should not be damaged by that).
    Plus you may find the same OEM part number components each piece using different real position sensing method (but 100% interchangeable). It is common practice to use multiple suppliers for them, each then could be using completely different sensing method (real potentiometer could be, in theory, one of them, but most common are magnetic analog hall sensors measuring the orientation magnet on the rotor, or an inductive resolver measuring ratios between inductive couplings influenced by the position of a "flower" shaped metal rotor, but other methods exist and can be used as well)

  • @VWWRENCHIE
    @VWWRENCHIE Před 4 lety +3

    If you had given him a 2 week guarantee it would have lasted a month...2hr drive is a heck of a costly service call.

  • @danman9017
    @danman9017 Před 4 lety +3

    i bet that the tac module has a issue mabee power or ground or programing or bad module because it a after market one ,because it can't handle the more curant load on full trottle ,thanks for the guest game for us

  • @ronaldderooij1774
    @ronaldderooij1774 Před 4 lety

    I saw Eric O. on a video doing the relearn trick on his scan tool. It took only one minute. Don't know the details, but I know he remarked that it was a nice feature of GM cars.

  • @utuber2940
    @utuber2940 Před 4 lety +1

    A 15 minute ad seriously yes I watched the whole thing!!!

  • @B4TS1
    @B4TS1 Před 4 lety +1

    At the start part 3, do a 5 second beep with a picture of the throttle body while you get all your cussing and cursing out of the way. Then onward with a big smile.
    Maybe try a search for 2002 chevy 8.1 throttle body Relearn procedure.

  • @CXensation
    @CXensation Před 4 lety +12

    Unless you find the bottom cause of the problem, you will be chasing shadows trying to rectify this problem.
    a) One unit is known defective, as it behaves erratic once its fitted.
    b) The other unit is good, but suspective, as it may work for long and then suddenly out of the blue sets a fault code.
    To get on with the problem, I highly recommand you dissect the known *BAD* one, and find the bottom cause of failure.
    Dont spend anymore efforts into modifying the problem away. Thats exactly the route you used to warn against earlier in your YT channel career.
    is there any kind of a Throttle travel calibration procedure ?

    • @bentboybbz
      @bentboybbz Před 4 lety

      I was wondering if there was a learn procedure of some sort to calibrate the new motor and tps to the pedal assembly and controller.

  • @AP9311
    @AP9311 Před 4 lety +2

    Ivan, that is weird way to find out. I am thinking it's the wiring that is questionable. Causing skewed results. Retrace all wires and double check them. That's my guess

  • @sinegra30
    @sinegra30 Před 4 lety

    Did you check for any TSB's for this truck? For the throttle body assembly I would jump into a junkyard to get one

  • @whitetiger8652
    @whitetiger8652 Před 4 lety +2

    With Chevy's reputation concerning ignition switches is it possible that this may come into play? Thanks!

  • @TheMrmmkkpro
    @TheMrmmkkpro Před rokem

    I'm working on a 2000 C5,p1120,p1220 and p1515. I don't have a scanner ,so using a dvm. New tps,new app sensor. Downloaded all data and following test procedures. It's tough.

  • @operator8014
    @operator8014 Před 4 lety +1

    I'm wanting to see if this issue survives the throttle body relearn procedure.

  • @bobvincent5921
    @bobvincent5921 Před 4 lety

    Thanks. Is the relationship between vout hi to vout low to the span is 4 volt. So half throttle is 2 volt diff between wipers. Did you say if hi minus low is too great then abs value becomes too hi resulting in reduced power.??

  • @joehomanick
    @joehomanick Před 4 lety

    Hey Ivan I had a similar issue with a Chevy truck . Customer had a dead throttle body , he got his own and installed it . All good for a few days then ....... he got a reduced engine power . He shut truck off restarted it and it was good . He kept having this happen over and over . He brought it to my shop and I cleared and did a throttle body relearn. That fixed his issue . That was 6 months ago all good . I was taught to always do a relearn when changing anything with the throttle body or gas pedal . Don’t know if you tried to reset and do a relearn procedure .....

  • @Charles_Mulberry_7977
    @Charles_Mulberry_7977 Před 4 lety +2

    HD diagnostics!

  • @charlesmiller5078
    @charlesmiller5078 Před 4 lety +1

    Have you ever burnt one down, you know to the ground.
    Joken
    I like how you leave out all the cussing and throwing of the parts.

  • @AaronFernandes__
    @AaronFernandes__ Před 4 lety +3

    I personally would ask the customer for the original pedal so the throttle body and and pedal can communicate with each other easier. A dorman and an AC delco don't work well with each other.

  • @automotivediagramsreading9711

    Ivan i have seem different issues on different cars..like ckp sensors..cmp sensors which indicate a performance issue..eventhough the vehicle has been on diifferent shops without any luck..what i do is replaced or use the original part...and run all new wires front the component in question all the way to the computer..reference voltage..ground and signal..it has work for me..especially on chrysler.dodge.jeep products..wires are not the best quality...

  • @beezalbub7325
    @beezalbub7325 Před 4 lety +1

    If its that pesky G105 junction I'm gonna be so annoyed, lol ok last time I use that joke. If you're not able to do a relearn, is it possible to add some resistors and get close enough to the proper range? Guess we shall see in episode 3. Thanks for the great videos.

  • @mattt4183
    @mattt4183 Před 4 lety +1

    Check SI to see if that truck requires a throttle position relearn when the throttle body is replaced.

  • @45AMT
    @45AMT Před 4 lety

    Looks like the same throttle body that's on my 2005 6.0L. I know this because i just did knock sensors on mine!

  • @han050
    @han050 Před 4 lety +2

    I have in my mind that the owner changed the throttle pedal and put on a different one what i am gessing dorman , can that pedal mess it up?

  • @loz11968
    @loz11968 Před 4 lety +6

    Nightmare job and at 2 hours away.. maybe the later pedal unit would work as a paired system I guess it’s a lot more research or maybe a case of opening the old throttle body the one that chatters and sorting it yourself use the new motor from the new body as you have already purchased it and maybe check to see the potentiometers are clean
    Good luck

  • @dennisbailey4296
    @dennisbailey4296 Před 4 lety

    We had a Mouse or Rat infestation on a Acura . And we had to repair the throttle body connector connections. And those Wires Were Shielded!! I'm assuming that they had interference problems at one point in time. I think it's not a bad idea to verify the repair that was done to those wires? All the best from Canada

  • @edhill9226
    @edhill9226 Před 4 dny

    EEPROM STUDDY GIVE IT A KISS

  • @anthonybendl8125
    @anthonybendl8125 Před 4 lety +3

    Some great ideas here, but I think it is Covid related

  • @williamhague2768
    @williamhague2768 Před 4 lety +2

    I see the frustration of the issues. What about a hot rod upgrade? Does Holley or someone make a good quality replacement with the correct wiring config?

  • @colchronic
    @colchronic Před 2 lety

    I'm actually having the same problem on a 2003 avalanche and the throttle body has been replaced three times with AC Delco original parts the pedal sensors been replaced and the tac replaced and the pigtail for the tb. Im at a total loss

  • @douglasjreynolds
    @douglasjreynolds Před 4 lety +1

    Bypass resistor on the tps to bump the voltage?

  • @kevinbarry71
    @kevinbarry71 Před 4 lety +12

    Is there some kind of throttle learn procedure?

    • @kellyspeppers
      @kellyspeppers Před 4 lety +2

      Exactly what I was thinking. Throttle adaptation, need to be ran after any change or cleaning. Guess GM was depending on components to match exactly.

  • @kellyspeppers
    @kellyspeppers Před 4 lety +1

    Still feel you have more underlying problems in the system, not only the replacement parts. Something not making a good connection all the time?

  • @mike_svt93
    @mike_svt93 Před 4 lety

    I take it the original obsolete AC Delco throttle body for an 02 Silverado LS 8.1L was p/n 217-1631? Obviously, you've repaired it, but there's probably a NOS floating out there somewhere. Last Amazon review was Feb 2019. (4) reviews, all 5 stars. Sounded like plug-n-play. So maybe no reprogramming needed.

  • @garydesbois5415
    @garydesbois5415 Před 4 lety +3

    Does the gas pedal have anything to do with the TB open/close positioning & sketchy signal ??

    • @neilmurphy845
      @neilmurphy845 Před 4 lety +1

      @MG Stevens well that's silly iven should know better than that you replace or test the pedal then the throttle body

  • @maxsmart5466
    @maxsmart5466 Před 4 lety

    Not likely the fix but if you needed to increase the span of the tps pot's output voltage you could use an "operational amplifier" or "op amp", usually two or more on one 5v ic, they have adjustable gain ( feedback ) and one could be used in an inverted configuration ( feedback to the inverted input ) and use a single t.p.s. pot on the T.B. to produce the opposing and equal outputs.
    So the gain and span of each op amp can be individually adjusted with four trim-pots ( equalized or paired ) but you would need someone who knows what he is doing and done it before.
    google "inverted op-amp"
    And you could use the picoscope channel with independent ground to calibrate the setup or compare the T.B. outputs on the laptop screen so they would track identical graphs.

  • @josephwash109
    @josephwash109 Před 4 lety +5

    Is it possible that the actual root cause of the problem is an issue with the wiring harness? This is an electronic throttle system, so obviously the module has a very low tolerance for voltage errors. A little bit of resistance on those signal wires will wreak havoc on the system. A tenth of a volt is nothing in a regular circuit, but it won't be acceptable on this system. Resistance causes heat, so the longer the system is operated, the hotter the poor connection will get, leading to even higher resistance and Reduced Engine Power Mode. Of course, since there will be minimum current flow on signal circuits, it will take longer to heat the bad connection, and that makes the problem very intermittent at times. It may prove fruitful to isolate the wires from the module, sensors, and throttle body and do a continuity test with the good old incandescent test light. Stressing the bad wire with more current should reveal quickly where the issue is.

    • @bigcheese781
      @bigcheese781 Před 4 lety

      Root cause is the lack of a roots blower on this engine.

  • @randy1ization
    @randy1ization Před 4 lety +1

    I think its time to take that old throttle body apart and see if theres any adjustment in there.

  • @supercalcium
    @supercalcium Před 4 lety +3

    Sorry for My english. I think there is something trigering this, I mean why it takes 10 days to have the problem again? What the owner was doing? My Acadia used to have an error always under specific conditions and that helped me to solve the problem. I am the old school and have 1% of your knowledge and equipment but it works to solve problems also.

  • @masterjoe3000
    @masterjoe3000 Před 4 lety +1

    Damn you traveling 2 hrs? Thats an epic battle in itself! I hope you charging him good....?

    • @charlesbarkwell7693
      @charlesbarkwell7693 Před 4 lety +1

      He shouldn't Charge the Man anything.
      2 hour drive to "Practice" Automotive work on someone's vehicle , then 2 hours drive again - 2 weeks later.
      This Fella probably has one of the best personalities on planet Earth but I swear to God & Sonny Jesus, this guy has more Balls than a Brass A_ _ Monkey....One day he'll be doing Videos like "Chris Fix"
      - ( Do excellent Automotive Work , but NEVER shows his FACE , is C.F. running from the FBI or some "Past" Customers )
      Ex GM Dealer Driveability Problem Expert
      Southern California ( L.A. County )

  • @edhill9226
    @edhill9226 Před 4 dny

    Those trucks I do believe they got a governor