Why A Single Pale Rose is Amazing
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- Was the reveal that Rose is Pink Diamond good or bad? People in the fandom seem to be split down the middle, but I wanted to give my opinions on the episode "A Single Pale Rose". I genuinely believe people are looking at this reveal the wrong way.
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I changed the title of the video to something less spoilery as per request. Sorry if anyone who watched this video previously was spoiled by the original title, I will be more careful with video titles in the future. How long do you think content creators should wait before including show information within their video titles/thumbnails (for future reference)?
Keep in mind as well that if you haven't seen the episode of something and you want to remain unspoiled, that you should keep off of social media until you've seen it. There will always be spoilers on every topic, regardless of what it is and who the spoiler is being posted by.
Lea C. I feel likeI week is good for that kind of thing. That’s when everybody dropped spoiler tags on tumblr.
The video title spoiled it for me :'( which really sucks as it's one of the biggest most anticipated reveals of the show. If it's something like a season finale to a show that is consistent or long running, i think a week or two is okay but for SU, myself and my friends who watch it weren't even aware there was a new episode out as they are so sporadic so when youtube suggested me this video it was the first i'd heard of it. But even with stuff that's been out for a while or is pretty generally known, you could still be a bit more discreet with thumbnail and title, that way people in the know can find it but those late to the show can still enjoy the narrative.
Just be more considerate next time that not everyone will have the same access to something as you, or there may be reasons why someone knows about the show but need to find time to fit it in
Lea C. I agree with you so much,
love the episode and im really annoyed that Rose/Pink Diamond now put so much pressure on Pearl and even put her through a lot with the whole switching to different guys till she meets Greg, keeping secrets taking care of her kid doing all of it just for her I mean Pearl been through A LOT. And you can start to understand that question to the gem that help steven on homeworld when he was in court with Blue and Yellow diamond on where was her pearl when that happen and how Pearl was so obsessed with Rose cause you saw how tge other Pearls were with their Diamonds.
It's not about waiting how long before talking about it/including it in their titles, it's about containing the spoilers and making sure people understand that it's spoiler material. If you search Infinity War, the comic book/movie commentators don't put the movie spoilers in their titles. Their titles references to the movie but don't talk about what happened in the movie or go straight into the big spoiler and have a warning/disclaimer in the video. If the viewer complains about being spoiled, now that's totally their fault because they went through like 2 or 3 spoiler guards before the actual spoiler. If you put a spoiler scene right in the title/thumbnail, that's just rude.
Of course not, Tony. But it's just a suggestion. Another good way to avoid CZcams recommendations (relating to media that you may enjoy) is to watch things in Incognito Mode, so CZcams's algorithm doesn't suggest spoilers to you. I'm genuinely going to try to make a effort to not spoil things as often anymore, but things will always be floating around out there. So it's just a suggestion. Of course it isn't the end all be all solution to the problem.
That moment you realize Steven found out about Pearl’s secret because Greg gave Ronaldo a telescope.
Yeah! Bloodstone!
And don’t forget all the AUs about Steven being the son of a diamond while he already is.
DragonArtist 101 wasn't it because pearl lost her phone?
jaskirat no. If Ronaldo didn’t have the telescope, he wouldn’t have seen the barn, and Steven wouldn’t have visited lapis at the moon base, and Steven would have never had the vision with pearl, and he never would have asked pearl, and pearl wouldn’t have lost her phone.
DragonArtist 101 oh thanks, I wasn't so sure
"But I'm not human." That one line to Greg sums up Rose completely. She covets human beings because they can change and Gems cannot. Even so much as to sacrifice everything to become one. People are judging Rose on the basis of human morality when it was physically impossible for her to think like one. The show has demonstrated time and time again that Gem morality is different from human's...
Exactly! I am glad someone get it. Gem society isn't like ours. Everyone has their place and nobody is supposed to step out of place without possible harsh punishment. Emotional maturity happens as we grow but since they are born grown up it's harder for them to grow up emotionally.
perfect comment
But I’m not a real person
It had nothing to do with what you said
But u do have a point
Yeah, it's "But I'm not a real person."
That wording makes all the difference because it's technically Rose admitting that she isn't really a rose quartz, she's not "real." Pink Diamond is, but Pink Diamond is gone.
I love how this setup changed with the diamond days. It's not a "Pink's running from the responsibilities of being a diamond" scenario anymore, it's a "Pink is leaving behind a toxic family."
It only changed after a shit ton of damage control was done.nothing ever really changed, Pink still ran from her responsibilities & didn't own up to her own mistakes
She didn't even run away from her responsibilities. She exchanged one responsibility that she realized wasn't worth all the sacrifice (the destruction of Earth and the life on it) for another even greater responsibility. And how is capturing corrupted gems and attempting to heal them not an attempt to own up to her mistake?
@@lucasmartinez5703 so what the other 3 diamonds did is her fault?
No. What the other three diamonds did made her do what she ended up doing. So it was their fault.
And then changed back after the movie
You earned yourself a thumbs-up the instant you said "I think our disappointment comes from over-theorizing." YUP. I am an author, and we are not omnipotent. We can be clever, but we are almost never lucky enough to be cleverer than the combined obsessive guessing power of the entire internet. A million nerds together is always gonna figure things out. And this is why I go into most things without a thought in my head. I'd rather be blank and let the creators lead me.
(PS, the reveal actually did surprise me. Though I had guessed that Pearl diddit.)
AlexReynard first reply!
You might wanna change the thumbnail then lol
Lol it happened again
Yo same I write but I dont think its easy to pull a satisfying twist without anyone else not guessing.
I never much liked Pearl, and thought her undying devotion was a little over the top. Now it makes sense. Now her anxiety makes sense. Now I sympathize with her. This was a great move for her character.
Girl has Tony Stark post Infinity War - levels of PSTD
After this episode... I'm going to be EXTREMELY surprised if there's still haters of her
I'm sure there will be, like along the lines of, "Pearl doesn't really love her that much, it's just cause she's her Pearl" but hey, you can't please everyone.
I personally think the reveal has the opposite effect. I think a more compelling character trait would be that Pearl was some random and potentially abusive aristocrat's servant, and that she developed her inferiority complex and need for authoritative validation through that. It's also more interesting and sympathetic character writing for her to have projected this inferiority and master/slave dynamic onto her new liberator, and these feelings led to a very twisted version of love. It's less interesting that Pearl had these feelings simply because Rose was her literal master and superior. It does make Rose slightly less devious in her obvious use of Pearl's obsession with her for manipulation. With Rose as PD, it's just a continuation of their pre-existing dynamic. With Rose as an unrelated rebel, she is definitely more nefarious by taking advantage of Pearl's essentially PTSD and not seeking to help her through it.
So overall, I think it makes the character interactions less complex, interesting, and compelling, and Pearl was already plenty sympathetic from that assumed backstory.
+Bella
Well, it's true.
This one act turned Pearl's devotion to a flawed rose quartz because she tried to get gems to be free and follow a path other than what they were made for.. was instead just a normal pearl following her diamond; Both in the form of rose quartz and then in the form of Steven.
MOST SU FANS: "Wow, this means Rose is a far worse person than we thought!"
ME: "Wow, this means Pink is a far better person than we thought!"
Yeah..
I don't get why her race is supposed to make her a bad person..
For a Diamond to see Amethyst or Garnet and not shatter them for being defective, and not wipe out humanity, is pretty free-thinking.
This. She objected against a system that enslaved and committed genocide against countless people, and when that didn't work, tried to fight against it as someone else, and when THAT didn't work, tried to fake her death because she thought the other Diamonds wouldn't care about her. To me her greatest crime is repeatedly underestimating her own worth to other people.
where the diamonds see the destruction and horror they cause, they barely even notice it. it's just the way things are.
when Pink saw what they did, she said no. I don't like this. This is WRONG.
and she did this before she fully cared about humans and gems, before she really began reavulating herself and her people.
pink was not perfect and had flaws, but she was still a hero, at least more of one than her sisters
I’m pretty sure most SU fans are on your side. It’s just that the loudest voices, the SU theorists, are pretty against it
I think both are true
If you think about it, Pink diamond was the first gem to truly die. Shattered gems are just that, a shattered conscious. So Pink is the first to actually die
Let me start saying: I loved this video, I love the way you argued about the whole situation and I share most of your opinion, but... personally, I don't think Rose/Pink was as bad as you paint her: don't get me wrong, I do think she was selfish, that she wanted to avoid responsabilities and that she wasn't the perfect leader the show protrayed her at the start... but I believe she also had good intention, that most of her flaws comes from a good place and from her being this sort of 'child' diamond. And I just love the fact she's THIS complex! Cause... you can argue on how good and bad she was and did, but in my eyes she was ultimately very, very... human! Anyway, again, great video, I loved your point of view on the subject, you earned yourself a new subscriber :D
she was talking about how she wished she could change like humans change yet she had a change the most realistic and is very human and complex character :O
Spinel: crying in the corner
she did abandon pearl after all that pearl had been through with her and gave up her form for a very selfish reason considering all the stuff she put steven through
i think shes a good person, she just made very dumb choices. Leaving bismuth bubbled, not revealing the secret afterward, having steven while she had her other problems. I think she had steven because she loved life, but she should have considered how it would've affected everyone else
What responsibilities were she running from? Rose had none. All what she did was organize parties for the Diamonds and she wasn't running away from her colony duties. Did you want her to commit mass genocide or something? Lol It was more like she was running away from her abusive family, don't minimize it. Leaders aren't perfect, don't act like it's a bad thing.
I would argue that Rose's motivations for "shattering" herself weren't purely for her own benefit i.e. to stop needing to be Pink Diamond. In the flashback in Can't Go Back Blue tells her that as long as Pink Diamond is around the rebellion will fail. I think that while Rose did herself want to be free, she also wanted the other gems to be free as well (she tells Pearl, "this is the only way WE can be free") and I think she truly did want to save the Earth and the life on it, even if she couldn't fully appreciate it as equal to her.
And of course other gems and earth wouldn't be 'equal' to her.... how can it be? She was still a diamond and she was basically royalty her whole life. Even other gems didn't treat Rose as an 'equal' - she was their leader. It's better than how the society is with diamonds sure, but nevertheless, Rose is still affected by her upbringing/status/powers. And it's impossible to treat Pearl as an equal anyway, Pearl is like a loyal servant/desperate lover, being equal with someone needs effort from both sides. Greg is someone who manages to do that - that's why they worked out. I think people don't give Rose enough credit for all this, even though it didn't turn out the way that she thought it would.
Blue also alluded that PD originally wanted to stop the colony because there was too much organic life they would destroy. I do think she was being cowardly and running away from responsibility, but I think it was the responsibility of a true rebellion. If she had led the rebellion as Pink Diamond, some of her followers may have been disallusioned sure, but also how much more support would she get overall? She could've changed the structure of all of gem society, but she didn't want to get her sisters killed, so she settled for running away and taking as many people as she could with her.
Jessica Struepf - Yeah, that's probably a better way to 'rebel,' while I think the best way is to just stand up to her diamond sisters herself about the system with the gems and about earth. But hindsight is 20/20. Also remember, PD is a newbie at being a diamond, I don't think she is 'powerful' enough to do that - both physically, mentally and experience-wise. She got scolded when she was talking about the rebellion to yellow and blue (maybe she wanted to use that as a conversation starter about changing things/not invading earth? who knows?). She probably didn't want anyone (diamonds or other gems) to be shattered, hence sealing off bismuth. Most likely she wanted the best of both worlds, thinking that the earth would be better off without gems wrecking it, diamonds wouldn't care about her demise and gems can be free on earth. It just sort of backfired.
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She thought they would stop caring if she were out of the picture. "This is *Pink Diamond's* colony- we can end this right here, right now."
Nothing like this had ever happened in gem history, so she thought if she was gone it would be done. I don't think she could have imagined all the horrible things that happened.
People have this black-and-white opinion of this character when she wanted to free people and herself from this horrible society that she was also frustrated with.
The flashback shows that she was demanding to be as important as everyone was telling her she was. She wasn't meeting this standard she was born to be.
She also tried talking to the other diamonds, but we saw how that turned out. The hierarchy there made her incapable of stopping the colony, so she did what she thought was the next best thing- stop them from being interested.
It didn't work but there's also not a rule book to this. This is the first time pink has probably ever deviated from the rulebook.
Samantha, I agree! Pink seems to be portrayed as a "child" compared to the other diamonds and I think this shows a lot in how naive she is and how easily the other diamonds over-ruled her with her request to preserver the earth rather than destroy it with Gem production.
To her knowledge and limited ability for foresight, getting rid of Pink Diamond really was the best way to wrap things up, for all concerned parties.
The most unrealistic part about the episode was the fact that pearl's phone didn't shatter when she dropped it.
Screen protector.
I've dropped a lot of phones, and none of them have eve shattered or cracked.
I've had them break on me, but I've also had some lucky times when they didn't break.
also i like how she dropped it right after amethyst said *not* to.
My phone survived falling a lot of times. Like more than 6 "hard'' falls.
I love a lot of your perspectives but I think you get one key thing wrong. Pink Diamond / Rose Quartz loved the biological life on earth. She DID have trouble empathizing with them, and it took her a long time to view them as truly equal instead of just fascinating and unique, but her motives weren't simply to abandon responsibility. I think this WAS part of her motive, for sure, but I think this was more "the last straw" for her. She has been seen to be very argumentative with her fellow diamonds because, while she certainly lacks (or at least lacked) the experience to operate on the same level as them, the fact of the matter is they never stopped seeing her as something like their kid sister. Pink Diamond wanted to give the planet to the biological life that lived there, and the other diamonds wouldn't listen to her.
I also don't think that it necessarily shows a lack of responsibility in Pink Diamond to want to fake her death to escape her peers. The diamonds seem all-powerful and as long as they knew she was alive they'd certainly stop at nothing to rein her in. Also while Yellow and Blue at least seem to genuinely care for Pink she wasn't allowed to be herself while in their care. You can care deeply about someone and still inadvertently be an abuser to them, and I think this is what we're seeing.
I'm not necessarily saying Pink WASN'T irresponsible, as you mentioned she harmed a lot of people with her ill-thought-out maneuver and it is a testament to her lack of empathy especially early in the life of Rose Quartz, but I think it's important to consider all aspects when judging her character. She clearly made huge strides leading up to and after becoming Rose Quartz, developing quite a bit past where she started as a younger Pink Diamond. And while she damned many of those serving her, such as Jasper, to a life of seeking pointless revenge for a death that never happened she also liberated and stood as a symbol against the tyrannical diamond caste system for just as many. It was no fault of Pink's that this led to homeworld corrupting gems on earth. To suggest otherwise would be closer to courting "victim blaming" then I'm comfortable with.
But yeah sorry I love everything else about this video. I just felt some of the things regarding Pink Diamond's / Rose Quartz's character were misrepresented. I look forward to more content!
And about the pearl thing I think she did care about pearl Mandy not girlfriend wise but she calls her my pearl and no other diamond says my pearl the way pearl so my just mean a great impoe
No she might care a bit but she doesn't trust Pearl or none of that shit. Despite Pearl sacrificing everything way more than other gems. Rose still sealed Pearl's mouth shut with Diamond orders and never told her the rest of her secrets like Lion.
I think this mindset is a little odd. Are you suggesting it's a requirement to share every last thing you have with someone you're close to? What about things you think are irrelevant? What about personal things you just plain old don't feel comfortable sharing? What if the consequences behind why (spoilers) Lion died originally made Rose incredibly sad and she wasn't comfortable sharing? If she was close to Lion before he originally died then watching him die before bringing him back could be a really painful memory to her. Or, on the complete flipside, what if she just didn't find it interesting or relevant enough to share? Rose probably healed thousands of gems during the war. Why would bringing one Lion back to life be worth mentioning to Pearl? I think it's kinda harmful to say that just because you don't share every last memory with someone you don't trust them.
Now the "final command" of Pink Diamond is a little more complex, and I can understand that argument a bit better. Could it have been that Rose didn't trust Pearl enough with the secret of her identity and forced her to keep quiet? Maybe. But it could have just as easily been any number of things. Fear of the other Diamonds, fear of ruining the message she was trying to send with her fake assassination, or any other number of things. As I stated before Pink Diamond was probably very afraid of going back to being under the Diamonds thumbs. Also, as we've seen in promo material for the next episode, the news that Rose was Pink Diamond is something the remaining Crystal Gems are taking very hard. Rose was a symbol for them. Proof that they were important, that their actions could stop even the tyrannical rule of said Diamonds. Finding out the Rose was Pink Diamond the whole time soils that message. It makes them think "this whole time we were just following a different Diamond. Nothing has changed."
You might say that this still was inspired by a lack of trust in Pearl. She could have just trusted Pearl to never mention it, but what if she was forced, tricked, or coerced. What if another gem, shapeshifting as Rose, tricked her? What if she was tortured? What if Rose's life was on the line and another gem forced her to give information? It was a war. Was the move Rose took drastic? Maybe! Do I understand it? Yes I do.
Rose not trusting Pearl is certainly one way to look at that, but there's an alternate interpretation which is that this secret is a great big *heavy* thing and would be - is - a Lot to deal with, especially since Rose and Pearl were the only two who were ever supposed to know. Pearl had started thinking for herself and making her own decisions at this point, and without that command that would have been a lot of added pressure as she continually would have to decide if she would or would not reveal in any way what the truth was, as well as the pressure of not letting herself accidentally slip. By making her literally unable to speak about it, Pink/Rose actually removed a great deal of that burden, at least until Rose had Steven which then made Pearl the only one who had that secret left and made her life more complicated. Until then, however, it was something she knew, but I imagine it would have been less of a burden because it wasn't a secret she had to keep, it was a secret she *kept* without needing to be any more involved in the process. Pink literally sealing Pearl's mouth on this secret could be looked at an act of compassion as easily as anything else which is part of what makes this show so complex and good - any given character or action is very very rarely onesided, and so much about how something looks depends on where you're looking at it from.
I'm glad *someone* didn't jump on this "Rose is awful" band wagon. Good people can do bad things. Nobody is perfect.
And people just forget that if Pink didnt do what she did , Earth would be hollowed out , all sentient life on it would die , and turned into another gem world...
Yeah. So technically, Pink both was and wasn’t doing the right thing.
I think a lot of fans jumped to conclusions right away with this reveal. I also admit that I wanted to defend Rose's actions as protecting the Earth, but there is also the question of "at what cost?" It's clear that while Pink's intentions may have been good, her arrogance and lack of forsight caused total devastation to other characters. Like you said, all of this is fascinating and is a great direction for the show.
Of course, I would like to point out that if Pink Diamond wasn't selfish, humanity would be dead. Maybe even that human sanctuary/zoo wouldn't have come to exist.
It's one of those cases of "If I have to face the devil, I must ally with a sociopath", or something like that.
Calling Pink Diamond evil because she caused pain to her sisters is... well, bit of a bummer. By taking that action, she committed an lesser evil to prevent bigger evil.
Theme Park Crazy agree to this and the reply. I would say that rather than being a sociopath, Pink was just immature. I don’t think she imagined the diamond would react this way. Kind of like a little kid running from home, she only saw how much her guardians cared about her once she was gone. I think she thought they would rather her be gone because, and let’s not forget this, Pink is like the OG off-color. She’s small, and different in shape. Pink diamonds irl are pink because of flaws in their structure. I think Pink was just very childish, but I don’t think she was a bad person. She was trying to save life on earth first, and ultimately resorted, after many attempts to dissuade the other diamonds, to faking her own shattering. I think she thought they would just give up on the planet and her and see her as a massive disappointment.
Theme Park Crazy I agree with you. Rose/Pink Diamond is a flawed character. Her heart was in the right place, but she didn't consider the consequences of her actions. By the time she did see her mistakes, it was to little to late.
I agree! I view Pink not as "lacking empathy" so much as being extremely naive. She seems to far younger than the other diamonds and is likely a child compared to them. For me, this shows through in her actions: she means well, but wasn't capable of seeing the potential far-reaching consequences of her actions. I think she probably matures a lot over her time as Rose.
I think that pink diamond was originally arrogant and selfish. She still might have some of those traits but once she saw the beauty of the earth, she changed. She made reasons to abandon colonizing the earth but all of them failed. So instead, she abandoned her responsibilities and faked her shattering. I think Pink diamond meant well but didn't think about what damage she will cause to other gems, especially the crystal gems and her followers. This shows that pink diamond is flawed and reckless. I can't wait for the next upcoming episodes and how the crystal gems will react, especially garnet
I agree that Pink did a terrible thing when she faked her shattering, and she was selfish at times but I don't agree with her being unemphatic towards other gems, she did care for the crystal gems, and cried when one of them was hurt. She just failed to see how much her court and Blue and Yellow would hurt over losing her. After all, she said "Blue and Yellow don't care, they never have" she thought they would just move on to the next planet and that's that. Her mentality seems to be that of a young kid. She didn't want to hurt her court and sisters, she just didn't think her actions through.
I also disagree with the common thought that gems aren't able to adapt, after all Peridot has been learning and adapting and changing her views, ever since she came to Earth. Yes they cannot change their core personalities, but neither can humans. I think it's just another thing they have been taught to think.
I don't think a person who lacks empathy necessarily lacks love. Empathy is the ability to put yourself in someone else's shoes and relate to their joy, sorrow, pain, etc. Rose may have lacked empathy, but she was still capable of love. She just tended to love entirely on her own terms, as part of always getting what she wanted. Perhaps it all boiled down to her own self-interest. Sometimes she loved selfishly. And sometimes she loved selflessly because she saw that it was in her own self-interest to do so, hence in effect still selfishly. Having no empathy made her a sociopath, but was not necessarily what made her *bad,* because obviously many of the things she did were not bad. Starting a rebellion on selfish false pretenses is something an evil sociopath does. But being a positive, morally-uplifting influence the rest of the time made her a *"benign"* sociopath - a "functional" sociopath.
So what convinced her to make a decision to become a new person who can experience empathy? Perhaps it was the novelty, but perhaps it was the fact that people like Greg had these amazing insights that she lacked. Something about it filled her with awe, and she wanted it too. Maybe she simply thought that being an empathetic person would make her better than before, and it didn't require she fully appreciate the implications of this to still want it. The paradox is, she likely had selfish motives to become a selfless person, but the result was still the same.
I understand what you mean. But has Rebecca truly stated that Rose/Pink has no empathy towards other gems? Yes she saw humans as novelties, but most gems didn't even see them as worth noting, before Rose got them to think from what I can tell. Yes she acted extremely selfishly during the rebellion, but that doesn't rule out her feeling empathy for some gems. She seemed to be under the impression that Blue and Yellow wouldn't be upset if she was to perish, she wasn't indifferent to their hurt, but like a child who is upset at their family, she thought they wouldn't care. It fits with her childish behavior in "Jungle Moon"
All this time Spinel was just standing in the garden
I strongly disagree with your interpretation of Pink Diamond as a selfish person who simply wanted to avoid responsibility. Sure, she was flawed (who isn’t) but she was fighting for what she believed was right: preserving organic life and freedom for her fellow gems. It went horribly wrong, with most of her fellow crystal gems shattered or corrupted. As Greg said, there is no such thing as a good war. Was she supposed to just fulfill her diamond responsibilities and just be content with being a tyrant? Would that make her a good person in your eyes? I hope not.
LITTALERY
Why didn't you take into account that Rose spent years trying to find out how to cure corrupted gems
You have a good point! You're the only one I've seen who have decided to delve into the reveal from another perspective. You've changed my mind Lea!
I'm glad that I've managed to do so!
Jade Fields no
RoboPie Yes I do agree that she has changed my mind but not fully because how did she keep her form as rose for thousands of years? Just some of the stuff just doesn’t add up but I don’t hate where we’re at in the story and think that it’ll be really interesting to see the rest of the story unfold
Lindzey Wimzey easy. Regeneration after poofing and the fact she's a diamond.
Both of these aspects grant her advanced abilities over her standard form. It may sound far fetched but i believe being a diamond grants one certain exceptions or alterations or modifications to gem abilities over other gems. Being there's only 4 in existence (one of them possibly defective in Pink) among an entire race of different gem stones of many many copies i can see if the rules for a normal gem regarding regen and other gem standards can be bent by a diamond.
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I think you're placing too much weight on the "running away from responsibility" thing. On the flashback we see through stevonie, she asks for responsibility, she pretty much begs for a colony like the other diamond. She giving up on her colonisation is something more complex. It probably has more to do with the humans she met here and the conclusions she marvels about to Greg in the babysitter episode.
Lea C. is one of those people who is veiwing Rose in such a narrow view. There never is just one reason, war isn't that simple, Greg had the empathy but Rose had the compassion and courage to do what was right.
Liu484 I think this video is trying to dig too deep into something that doesn't yet exist or jive with the Steven experience. I still think most of what we've learned from the show to be accurate about rose. Yes there's sad fallouts, but without that there's no Steven Universe.
But the value she saw in human life is also self centered. As her compliments to Greg are "fun" and "entertaining"...
Right. I think it was a mix of "getting away" but ALSO protecting Earth and gems like Garnet/Pearl/Bismuth ect. She bubbled Bismuth because she didn't want to die, and probably didn't want the other Diamonds to be shattered either.
@@zachanikwano The diamonds seemed to be really close to each other, and Pink seeing her family be shattered would be really painful.
"What is better? To be born good, or to overcome one's evil nature through great effort?"
Rose tried so hard to grow and move past who she was as a diamond, she was misguided and made a lot of mistakes but at the end of the day she saved the entire planet from becoming a gem colony. Impact will always mean more than intent and her impact was both good and bad. That's why I love her. She's compelling and multifaceted just like real people are.
One of the better videos on the subject and I totally agree.
I had no idea Cody was a SU fan. How cool is that? Love your channel, keep it up!
WTF?! YOU WATCH Steven Universe? Holly smokes in a bag! This is a total surprise, you surely are a mysterious human being Cody:0
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Cody'sLab, I didn't realize you watch SU either
Cody'sLab wait what, cody?!
them eyes in the thumbnail scare me
EDIT: this is my most liked comment and OMG LEA SENPAI NOTICES
Trust me, they were much scarier when I needed to move them around so that they matched up with each other.
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Lea C. L0L
Eh I think they're very kind eyes.
it's not fair to say that it was just selfish and SOLELY because she didn't want the responsibility of being a diamond. it just looks like you're missing the points that have been embedded over the past few years.. it's been made very clear that her love for the life on earth are why she made the decision in the first place.. I'd say her wanting to not be a diamond anymore was for that reason.
and she obviously didn't think all that mess would come of it.
Aoki FLR Word, Just because pink diamond might have wanted to run from her problems doesn't mean that's the ONLY reason she started the rebellion.
In the flashbacks, her loves for the earth come after her decision to become rose quartz. The turning point being her discussion with Greg when he told her that he's not just a toy for her to play with. I do think that she gained empathy and her reasoning behind being rose quartz changed with time but, in my opinion, her first decision was for me purely selfish.
Let's not forget how Jasper went through so much just to avenge her diamond. The entire plot revolved around a lie.
I agree. Rose Quarts/Pink Diamond was different before she saw Earth. In Stevonnie's flash backs, Pink kept demanding for her own colony and started acting bratty. But when she first saw Earth, she changed her mind because of the beautiful life that was on Earth. She wasn't doing it for her own selfish purposes to escape being a Diamond, she just wanted to protect Earth.
Aoki FLR
That’s exactly why Sapphire was so extremely upset and why she ran off away from Ruby.
Interesting points but I gotta disagree that Pink Diamond is evil/selfish or that the diamonds are incapable empathy.
We've seen how torn up Blue & Yellow are by Pinks "Death" and on top of that Roses healing powers were directly tied to her tears, directly relating to her empathy. To be honest I think its the exact opposite of what you said. Her extreme empathy, her desire to free gems blinded her to the bad possibilities and she went on to create this catastrophe.
Its shown YD & BD weren't listening to her, and that she wanted to leave earth in peace without giving up her Diamond Status (This is shown in the argument/lecture shes having with Blue in Stevens flashback/memory on the moon). Only after that did she hatch the plan to fully assume the identity of RQ. The flaw here is maybe she thought they didn't care about PD that if she "died" they'd be scared of this rebellion and sue for peace or run away, freeing her friends and saving the earth. She didn't expect the diamonds to be heartbroken over her and exact vengeance.
I don't think "Selfishly became RQ to run from responsibility" fits the narrative we've been given.
I don't think she realized how much they cared about her when they treated like a silly little kid. In all the flashbacks we never saw them being nice to her. I sure by their standards they were wonderful but I am pretty sure making someone cry a lot isn't nice.
Uhh the Spinel thing?
Uh.... I think you’re misunderstanding what empathy is. Empathy is an ability to understand or comprehend others’ experiences, usually through “putting yourself in their shoes”. Empathy is understanding what other people are going through, and if that is impossible, understanding that you don’t know how they feel, but that doesn’t mean you can’t connect with them. It requires clarity and emotional intelligence.
What you are describing is inner emotions. You are processing what happened to you specifically, and forming an emotion from that. This is an ingrained and instinctual behavior, everyone feels emotions, even antisocial people and psychopaths. Blue Diamond was able to self reflect a little more after Pink’s “death”, but she still isn’t being empathetic. The same goes for Yellow, White, and yes, Pink.
The Diamonds are all extremely narcissistic in that they only have the capacity to care about what is happening to them, and if they are sad because someone died, they are just sad because of what that person was to them, not because of an emotional connection. Pink Diamond is the same.
The doesn’t mean that Pink is a bad person, it’s just that she didn’t understand how to empathize with others.
@@tokki03 Whatever Decision Pink would have made Spinel would be devastated that her feelings weren't mutual.
@@ThePotatoSapien Pink treated lower life forms with respect. That fuckin means Pink isn't like the other Diamonds. If Pink was just like the Diamonds she wouldn't have tried to stop the colonization of Earth. 😒
A very good video, you made me even more excited for what is to come next. I would like to point out tough that even tough I agree with all the points you made here, I do feel you left out one reason for both pinks rebellion against the other diamonds and her becoming Steven. Namely here fascination and care of organic life and human beings. She was indeed very selfish towards her fellow gems but never towards humans. I get the idea that she wanted to preserve mankind but her fellow diamonds did not agree. If you listen to what rose says when she is lying on the beach with Greg and baby sour cream she says how wonderful mankinds is for its ability to change and choose who they are. And think that is at least part of the reason why she chose to become Steven, she wanted to change herself and stop being an selfish person. Its been hinted at in the show that gems can't change who they are, at least not to the extend that humans can. You have said yourself that pearl even after thousands of years has not completely lost her pearl mentality, it makes sense if you consider that gem brains are pre programed and can't grow and develop only learn. And I have to say this about pink diamond, if she indeed wanted to become a better person, she succeeded.
I forgot to add that after I made the video, but thank you for including it in the comments!
No problem, my pleasure, sorry for the spelling errors. Keep up the good work.
"Then you really are better than her" -Bismuth
I agree! That's why while I agree with Lea on every point, I found that her motives were a bit different towards earth. One her sisters could not comprehend or even give the time of day to understand. She wanted to change herself and be different, even if it meant betraying and lying to her followers. She's extremely flawed and Is not like Blue or Yellow Diamond. Her actions over all will shape the rest of this show into something extraordinary and is masterfully crafted
Did you write all that!?
Despite all the people she hurt, I think Pink/Rose actually ends up embodying her message of the rebellion the most. Any gem can be whatever they want, so a diamond decided to be like an average gem, and later even human
Ya know , that’s actually a pretty good theory .
That's a cold way of looking at it, the fact that she became Rose Quartz and started the Rebellion doesn't automatically mean that she wasnt standing up to Earth and it's people, or that she didn't have a clash of ideals with her sisters.
I agree that her plan and the way she carried it was incredibly selfish, but there's some good intention to it anyway
Word, just because pink diamond wanted to run from her problems doesn't mean that's the ONLY reason she started the rebellion. I think she had a real empathy for the crystal gems, and honestly loved humans, otherwise she wouldn't have sacrificed her entire being for Steven to happen.
I always thought pink wanted to help earth(and eventually gems that stood with her) but was afraid of doing it as a diamond because her gems would follow her because of her status and not because they wanted to by their own real choice. Perhaps pink was afraid if she lost the rebellion as herself they’d hurt pearl; blaming her for pink wanting to rebel.
I think that's why the video creator emphasized that she upholds an antagonist role "whether she meant to or not". She may not have MEANT to carry out her plan in such a way that would eventually bring ruin, but it's hard to deny that there are heavily selfish motivations. I think there's an interesting duality to Pink/Rose, but I also think it's much more interesting to deconstruct her from being such a holy and good person as we first imagined.
@@dragon091327 You missed the part when her Diamonds sisters didn't listen to her when she pleaded for them to leave Earth alone while being Pink Diamond.
oh, and another thing: i don't agree with you that rose's only point was to escape responsibility. rose genuinely fell in love with earth and accepted gems who had previously been hated or neglected due to being defective, or fusions, or lower-class. she wanted pearl to be free, and she wanted the crystal gems to be, too. her whole speech to pearl is about "giving the earth to the crystal gems". when you just frame her as someone who wants to escape responsibility, you neglect her motivations to paint a more simplistic image, which i don't think is fair. in fact, what i LOVE about this twist is that it gives pink diamond a real character arc, and it shows how much even a diamond can change.
i also don't think bismuth's plan would have worked, which we saw through characters like jasper, who were completely destroyed by pink diamond's supposed shattering. gems live for their purposes, and that's something rose felt extremely guilty for. i also find the comment about her lack of empathy a little disturbing, because she WANTED to understand. she always, always did. low "natural empathy" does not make you a bad person. her first comment to garnet is "i'm glad to see you again" and "who cares about how i feel? how YOU feel is bound to be much more interesting". if she was only a selfish tyrant who wanted to escape responsibility, she could have easily done what lapis is doing, pick any unpopulated planet where she's left alone. she didn't need to wage war to be free, but she did, because she genuinely cares about earth and the crystal gems. even if it means leaving all those who loved pink diamond behind.
(on pearl: mostly agree, but i would also point to how much pearl has grown past this, and how she truly hated her 'pearl role', even if she loved rose/pink. after all, this is something the show demonstrates in "that will be all" - pearl feels humiliated and annoyed by having to follow orders, it feels both unnatural and uncomfortable to her. she's truly become a rebel. even if her love for rose was originally a part of that, it was never the only part).
PREACH. There's some lowkey ableism in this video due to the idea that having natural low empathy makes you a bad person.
True, as Pink diamond has always felt guilty about the fact that the diamonds are taking lives to create other lives who can't even do what they want, Pink wanted to free the earth from the colonization because it would take away all life from earth.
Lapis gets a song & Pearl drops a Truth Nuke
I mean....damn what a last couple of episodes! I mean I always thought Pink put her mind in a Rose Quartz's body and destroyed her Diamond body but still! I was left in utter surprise by this turn the story has taken
Gilver yo you are not wrong that is what she basically did.
I thought about the same thing, that this imposter was possessing one of the Rose Quartz soldiers. But shockingly, both of them are the same person. My mind was literally blown.
Now the big question for me is this....where does my fanfic works go from here? It isn't exactly a simple gemsona thing I'm doing here lol
Steven Universe be pumping up the depression factor by 100% :(
Truth.
Ikr?
Totally
Laila Anderson 🤔 idk do u
Watching this in the future and it's interesting how demonized Pink still was here even when you weren't trying to. For example at 7:54 "Everything was because Pink was *selfish* and didn't want to be a Diamond", when really she just wanted to make herself disappear so the Earth would be free from her influence.
Myuni ok sure lol
What lol that’s not right but ok
Watching it now after the series is over, with 5 seasons, movie and an epilogue mini-series... is also entirely different experience. In fact I'm streamin SU for a kid I know, who got fascinated with show, and an entire series is way different with all you know by the last episode of SUF
@@mrsmyspace It's the truth
@@br12_ Yes, it is.
Bismuth: Hey, did somebody lost a pearl?
Pink diamond: maybee
Bismuth also knew Rose's sword couldn't shatter a gem, so Rose's plan would not have worked. Bismuth would know Pink Diamond wasn't really shattered.
Diana Cavendish woah
Not only that, but Bismuth made it a solid point to say that the sword could break the body but never the gem. It's very likely that Rose specifically asked Bismuth to make such a sword in order for her to carry out the plan, but didn't tell Bismuth why. Once the deed was done, Bismuth had to be done away with since she was sharp enough to realize that it was a farce.
Stickboy 26 That's what I thought too, she obviously planned very far ahead. I'm sure she also created the cut of gems known as rose quartz, specifically so she could masquerade as one. Since Pink Diamond designed them, I'm sure she purposely made their gemstone look like her own when viewed from above. That way she could turn her gem to look exactly like a rose quartz gem. She probably practised shapeshifting into that form before the rose quartz gems were even made, just to ensure they were made in a form that she could easily become.
Holy hell I hadn't yet dived that far into thought about how she probably devised her plan...woow
+Stickboy 26
No. It was clearly stated by bismuth that she was bubbled after showing Rose the breaking point
ahem, may I?
* clears throat *
*WHAT WE REALLY ARE*
Also:
*WHEN WE ARRIVED ON EARTH*
*_FROM OUT BEYOND YOUR STAR_*
We will protect *your* earth
It’s Stevens colony
*hem,hem*
AND WE WILL PROTECT YOU
*COUGH PEARL IS PINK PEARL COUGH*
So we didn't skip:
*WE WERE AMAZED TO FIND YOUR BEAUTY AND YOUR WORTH AND WE WILL PROTECT YOUR KIND*
A great analysis! I think though that Pink/Rose isn't "devoid of empathy" so much as she is extremely naive. Compared to the other diamonds, Pink seems to be portrayed as a child. I think she grew to care a lot about the Earth and didn't want the living beings there to be destroyed: she was content to leave the planet as it was. However, her attempts to explain her desires to the other Diamonds went unheard and so she took desperate measures... but being so young, she was not able to predict the far-reaching consequences of her actions and inadvertently made things so much worse.
I believe she definitely matured over time as "Rose" and I think she bubbled Bismuth not out of self-preservation, but a genuine desire to not cause more death.
I was very happy with this reveal though and I think it's added a lot of depth to many different characters and future storylines!
Going back to when a single pale rose was released is weird especially after future.yea the twist was seen by a mile away but that doesn’t make it a bad twist,id even say the homeworld arc gets boosted with this information
I think it's wrong to glossing over Pink Diamonds desire to not cause a human *genocide.* That's more then just "running away from your responsibilities".
It's also bothersome that Pink gets blamed for what the other diamonds did in response to her fake death. The blame should be on the ones who did it, not the one unaware of what they'd resort to.
We probably shouldn't ignore the impossible situation Pink was in, while we're at it.
-Doing nothing leads to all organic life on Earth dying and the planet being converted into a Gem Colony. (Bad)
-Convincing Yellow and Blue Diamond would be impossible, based on what we know about the Great Diamond Authority and may lead to to the planet being removed from her care. Thus Human Genocide. (Bad)
-Rebelling as a Diamond with all of Pink's subjects being drafted into a war. The Other diamonds would definitely not give up on the fight with one of their own smearing what they think the title should represent. Pink Loses, Many Gem's get shattered, Human Genocide. (Horrible)
-Try convincing The other diamonds to give up on converting Earth, only to fail. In desperation, fakes her death, focuses purely on being Rose Quarts and fights alongside other gems, that were willing to risk their lives for the same cause, until the cost of continuing the retaliation is too high for the Diamonds to bother with anymore. Only for them to use a weapon she had no idea about corrupting almost all gems on the planet. (Bad, but at lest the humans are still alive...)
This sounds like one those movie plots where a villain forces you to kill 1 million children or 2 million elderly. The person will be hated no matter what they chose and some will even be irrational enough to ignore the villain that made them do it.
RynKen TL;DR
RynKen that’s actually a perfect explanation, completely agree. Rose, or pink, was truly a good person in actuality, her actions just gave off the wrong signals, what seemed like her running away was her finding a way to save what she loved and fight for what she believed in. If she could have im positive pink diamond would have fought along side all the gems that shared her beliefs and gladly died with the rebellion. She just knew her being a diamond would only worsen things, and gems would not follow her because of her beliefs but because they are obliged to
RynKen thank you!!!
TL;DR
TL;DR: Pink didnt want genocide to happen, so she had to look at options:
Option A: Do nothing, humans die.
Option B: Lose ownership of planet, another diamond takes over, humans still die.
Option C: Wage war against the other Diamonds, lose the war, everything she has dies (including herself)
Option D: Stage death, live happily ever after as Rose. (But then corruption happened, sooo...)
Any choice she had would've made her look bad regardless.
So glad I’m not the only one happy with this outcome. I didn’t expect the crewniverse to go this route for real, but I am so happy they did, because it was so unexpected despite being so heavily predicted. This really adds another layer to Rose and Pink. I think it even shows how Pink matured since her first showing on Jungle Moon
Elliot Bear Lmao tbvh, lowkey everyone and their moms knew Rose was Pink, yet when it happened everyone was quaking
Umm... Have we been watching the same [brilliant, subversive, entertaining] show?
I haven't seen anything to suggest that Pink Diamond was avoiding her responsibilities by becoming Rose, quite the contrary. After she receives Earth as her first colony, she initially does exactly what is expected of her: starting kindergartens, growing soldiers & other gems - programming all to follow the Diamond Authority, etc. After all, Pink Diamond is apparently both the smallest & the youngest member of the Diamond Authority, and (as shown in Stevonnie's dream/flashback on the jungle moon) what she really craves is both a colony of her own & the respect that this would gain her from her elder 'siblings' within the big four.
It wasn't until she started to grow aware, then intrigued, & finally in love with the unique organic/non-crystalline organisms - especially humans - that inhabit her world that she started to reject the status quo (just as in the story Garnet tells the Off-Colours, likely saying it exactly as Rose told it to her) You can easily imagine how trying to explain this (to them) bizarre love to Yellow or Blue would have gone [another LGBT parallel?], and (given how immature Pink was) how turning to rebellion would seem the only way to save Earth's lifeforms from it's planned fate (see Peridot's demo on the Moonbase), something that as a Diamond she would know in great detail. Maybe she initally created the identity of Rose Quartz to allow her to explore the Earth (without the level of scrutiny that constantly followed Pink Diamond), but having her alter-ego lead the rebellion would bring plenty of advantages (exactly like those you mentioned).
Also, it's her immature understanding of consequences that might go some way to explain why she thought that just 'killing' Pink Diamond would end the Gem colonization of Earth (or, for example, failing to see the devastating response by the surviving members of the Diamond Authority, or even just how deeply her death would affect both Yellow & especially Blue Diamond).
What's really going to be wonderful is showing what happened during all those years from the beginning of the rebellion, through to when the Diamonds left, and finally to modern day & the creation of Steven - all through the lens of knowing that Rose Quartz is (was?) Pink Diamond. More than anything, her deep, & very real, relationships with Garnet (also Ruby & Sapphire), Amethyst & Pearl, as well as Greg, and especially with Steven are going to be utterly shattered, possibly forever...
Stop boo hooing about the emotional state of blue diamond like its so tragic. Why does everyone forget she, like yellow, have conquered planets across the galaxy, stripped them of their resources and probably killed millions to trillions of lifeforms all in the diamond pursuit for conquest.
You know which diamond hasn't done that? PINK!
Exactly lol, blue diamond was all torn up about losing one person. Just think about how many gems and other beings she caused to feel the same amount of loss.
Pink diamond wasn't perfect, but I do think she ultimately learned what true empathy is, and it's clear that by the time she was pregnant with steven she really did genuinely care for those around her.
@@slothful2039 You forgot about the part that Blue Diamond was labeled as a Gem Shatterer. Basically the Diamond Authority are Dictatorial Fascist Monarchy, in which Pink Diamond did not want to become
i actually REALLY liked this episode!
I’m so glad that somebody else figured out and talked about the consequential affect of pink diamonds reveal on the rest of the plot instead of dwelling on all the implications of pink diamonds more selfish behaviour as of that detracts from the plot itself. because it doesn’t . All it actually means is that rose quartz did a lot of personal - selfish things that had a lot of grand effects on the people around her, and while that does paint her as a less than desirable person , that doesn’t have a direct correlation with the value of this as a device in the plot. A lot of the videos that argue about why this is bad all use the selfish intentions of the character as if that is a consequential value Point against the story- in of itself when it is simply a list of traits that Have changed the paradigm of a character’s personality for the audience. Those are not the same things. I will be hard-pressed to find an accumulative List of shows that I watched as a child that slowly reveal the hero overtime that I was introduced, into a villain or at the very least an antihero. Usually these sorts of characters come out of nowhere or they reveal their true nature very early on, and in this narrative we get to see clues littered about the story and it allows the audience to put together what’s wrong with the character and why we shouldn’t necessarily like them as much as we think we should. I think this is a very useful and important skill to instill in the next generation . The ability of character discernment. If my kids watched the show turned around and told me that they don’t like rose quarts anymore and they list all the reasons that we as theorists have figured out, I would be so happy and proud for them ! This is not the same argument as saying that “this is just a kid show and we should let it go”, what may have been easy for us to figure out maybe very revolutionary for the much younger generation and I believe they deserve to have that experience. The satisfaction of figuring out the reveal ahead of time and honing their skills in this type of analysis thinking, could you imagine how important this is for them as a skill in general? when I have kids, I’m gonna make sure that they watch the show and see if they figure it out before the episode arrives.
Lithiel Damn, gurll..
How long did this take 😮
There are many Rose Quartz gems in our lives who may actually be Pink Diamonds.
dang i was with you till you started hardcore dunking on Rose.
like, we all know she ain't perfect but.......... yikes....
also, "running away from her responsibilities" ........you mean like her responsibility to destroy the earth??? why is it a bad thing to have run from that??????
She didn't even run away from responsibilities. She exchanged one big responsibility that she decided wasn't what she wanted for another (bigger) responsibility that she was more then happy to take.
Yeah it's also kind of iffy how she can sympathize with the other diamonds like blue, but they're technically way worse morally than pink is.
Cat Anon it isn’t a bad thing
But if she hadn’t insisted on a colony (well knowing she has a soft spot for organic creatures as seen in the beginning of change your mind) this never would’ve happened.
And sure one could argue that good things came from it like the crystal gems
And era 3
And Steven
But she didn’t know that
She was told her responsibilities as a diamond before she got the colony
And she broke the rules, because she was bored.
She saw humans, regretted the colony
She abandoned spinel, instead of bringing her to home world or something and making a game out of it, she told her to stand still
Because she was bored.
Rose isn’t a villain, she’s a kid, she doesn’t know what she’s doing or who she’s hurting along the way
@@randomanimatedchronicles4747 thing is, rose DIDNT know what humans and organic beings were like before her colony and the fact that it was precious, and then she found out abt organic beings and fell in love so much that she gave up being a DAIMOND which is the highest rank in homeworld, like cmon bro
Hamzs Dingaling in the beginning of change your mind
I passionately disagree with the idea that Rose was trying to 'escape responsibility' it comply flies in the face of everything we know about Rose. She LOVED Earth. The diamonds were killing the Earth if things progressed as planned Earth would have been devoid of life. If Pink stayed around Earth would be a barren rock by the modern era. The cluster was just an adhoc experiment based on what the Diamonds learned, what we learn from Garent is that the idea of gems of different types merging was shocking, and thus inspired the cluster experiment.
We know that's what the Diamonds do. They find worlds with life, and basically, use the injectors to make gems, and this makes the area around the injectors 100% incapable of supporting life, even literally thousands of years after the gems were made.
So frankly I think you're wrong about Rose and her motivations. Not as a matter of opinion but based on the evidence of the show.
Was she a bit selfish? Yeah, she was. But the show beats us over the head with the fact that she cared about the world and the freedom of the gems to have self-determination. The idea that she was 'escaping responsibility' doesn't gel with starting a revolution. That shit takes work.
I love how there were all these AUs with Steven being the son of a diamond, while he already is.
I’m glad you’re okay with this reveal. I understand that you as well as a few other fans have different opinions about these episodes but you still admire the Crewniverse on how they executed the twist instead of hating this like nearly everyone else has been doing. Also, you have some fair points in this video which I can definitely see happening in the show whether or not Rose is the villain or just did these things without being aware of the consequences. This definitely changes the whole dynamic of the show.
Honest to goodness I was shocked more by the amount of rage this caused then the reveal itself... The worst part is how many have been attacking it for what it wasn't! Lazy writing? Makes no sense? Makes Rose a "bad character"? ... If you STILL believe any of those to be true now that the shock has worn off? I may lose respect for your opinion. Despite the big reveal, there's still a lot of missing context here, which is sure to come.
I think the real plot twist is that they faked the shattering and that pearl is pink pearl
That's kind of what I meant. Being an bad person =/= being a bad character. Example: Geoffrey Baratheon was a HORRIBLE Person; but a PHENOMINAL character! :D Edit: Geoffrey was the first major villain from Game of Thrones. He's best experienced for your self!
I think she is flawed, not bad, she's not an outright villain, but she is far from being a saint, i am curious to see how that affects everyone, from Jasper to Lapis and the other Crystal Gems.
i see her a lot like Kratos, not a good person, but not completely a monster, this can make Steven grow, and push him to be better than his mother was
While I do agree PD is extremely selfish, I still don't really see her as a villain. If she was completely uncaring and cruel, she wouldn't have cared if Bismuth tried to shatter Blue and Yellow. She also probably wouldn't have tried to understand humans (she sucked at it, but she did ask questions and when Greg snapped at her to stop, she did). She liked the idea that everyone could choose their fate, not only herself. She accepted fusion, unlike the other diamonds who would kill over a unique fusion. But yeah, she lied to everyone, was cruel to Pearl, and staged her own death no matter what it did to her gems. So I see her more as a morally grey, maybe dark-grey character. As for her thinking blue and yellow didn't care, in every scene we've seen them together, blue and diamond are ignoring or berating her, so I actually do understand why she thought they didn't care. They feel like the parents who are too hard on their kid, then regret it after the kid is pushed over the edge. Just my opinion though, I do like your video, and I'm glad there are others out there who enjoyed the reveal too. I also loved A Single Pale Rose~
She wasn't trying to cruel to pearl . Pearl still was serving her even as rose because that's what pearls do. I think Rose didn't realize how pearl cared about her. Emotional maturity is probably a lot harder on someone who born grown up. Remember when Greg was babysitting and he left the baby with Rose only for the baby to be at risk of getting hurt. She didn't get the danger because for her it wasn't dangerous and her world has no babies.
Almost everything about this video is accurate except for one major flaw: PINK DIAMOND also rebelled against her responsibilty to mine the earth in order TO PROTECT EARTH and all the beauty and wonder therein! Instead of following the responsibility of her Diamond sisters, you might say there was a higher responsibility calling to her: her heart.
Pink diamond, as Rose quartz, fell in love with living on planet Earth!
One of the biggest reasons why STEVEN UNIVERSE strikes at my very core is the appreciation for our precious planet, and having the courage to be true to your heart. Rose Quartz / Pink diamond connected with and led an army of misfits because SHE TOO was a misfit who rebelled against her assigned task= to oversee mining the planet for gems which was tearing it APART! The video frequently refers only to Pink Diamond giving up responsibility, yet that is what EVERY gem does who gives up their assigned role-job-class-caste. By fighting for the earth, they unite against the Diamond Prime Directive (I just made that term up, but I am referring to their desire to dominate, expand and control at all costs). For the Diamonds, it seems no cost is too high to achieve their ends... which it the total opposite of the Crystal gems, who show time and time again, they will not ignore their emotions nor the calling of their heart. Every Crystal Gem honours their emotions, honours their need to be WHO THEY CHOOSE TO BE, and honours the Earth as the sacred place where they can do all that AND experience the wonder and diversity of an extraordinary planet. Thank you, and good day to all.
i agree ! ! ! ! !
I also agree!
Totally agree
I totally agree.
Literally the zero empathy is insane 😂
I think Pink Dimond/Rose was aware to some extent of her flaws, at least after meeting Greg, because she was obsessed with the idea that things on earth *grow* and *change*. I thkbk she wanted to be able not only to escape but to grow as well, which seems to be the core of Steven's personnality, the empathy, the growing sense of responsability,etc
It all also explains why Pearl doesn't shapeshift!
The whole point of this reveal was supposed to be that Pink came to earth and was changed by it because she truly fell in love with the planet and its inhabitants. We are led to see that Pink had little if any control over the progress of her colony to the point that she had to talk to the other diamonds about ending the colonization process. She was honest about her reasons to end it at first, but the diamonds ignored her and this caused Pink to find other reasons the diamonds would find acceptable. Pink eventually started the rebellion as it became the only way to save the earth, taking on the Rose Quartz image which we are meant to see not as a facade put on to run away from her responsibilities, but as Pink embracing who she is and becoming her true self. Yes, when we first really saw Pink, we saw her being childish and bratty, but combining that with this reveal shows that she really was just different from the other diamonds and in her mind they were berating her for being herself and forcing her to conform to some superficial idea of what a diamond is. When this went against her very nature, she was led down the path of becoming Rose Quartz and eventually giving up her role as a diamond, again, NOT BECAUSE SHE WAS RUNNING AWAY FROM HER PROBLEMS BUT BECAUSE THE AUTHORITY AND POWER SHE ONCE WANTED WERE NO LONGER IMPORTANT TO HER. Pink really believed that life on earth was precious and that Homeworld society restricted everyone to act in specific ways that prevented them from being who they wanted to be. That's why she loved the fact that humans had the ability to grow, change, and choose who they are and what they become. She gathered a following to help support her war for the earth, a war that she did not fight against herself as she clearly had no real power as a diamond during this conflict, and they all rallied behind the same beliefs that Pink had. When Bismuth recommended the breaking point, Rose/Pink was against it, but not for self preservation and not necessarily because she may not have had an interest in uprooting the other diamonds, but because she did care about other gems and she wanted this conflict to end as peacefully as possible. Rose/Pink never wanted people to get hurt or die to save the planet, but her lack of authority caused things to unfold to where violence was bound to happen. All that was left was for her to conduct damage control. That's why we hear that Pink's soldier's needed to be rallied and fall into line in order to fight the rebellion. That means that Pink did anything she could to reduce the conflict. Pink cared about other Gems and that can't be disputed. Saying that she lacked empathy, which I still say is debatable no matter what the crewniverse really says because the only real examples that can be used for this is that she didn't notice Pearl's crush and that she thought Greg trying to fuse was funny. Yes, she may have had issues relating to humans in some extent and may have had the same issues with some gems because of her design, but her healing tears work because she felt pain when others were hurt, she was able to tell Garnet why Ruby and Sapphire feel like being fused is the right thing when Garnet herself was unsure, she showed tenderness and compassion to everyone, and she literally had empathic powers that now belong to steven. I do think that Rose had to learn and develop more empathy and that Greg mainly taught her, thus why their relationship worked, but all of the ways she acted showed that she had more naivety in those situations because she was secluded from other gems and only taught anything by the diamonds that are unempathetic. And even if empathy wasn't a factor, you are treating it like being unempathetic is the same as being heartless. It's not. Pink could have had trouble when it came to picking up on and relating to other's feelings, but she still cared about everyone. We know that this is the case with the Diamonds and yet everyone can sympathize with them but no one shows any understanding that Pink could still be good. If you adjust your perspective, you can actually find that Pink/Rose is a much better character than you may think at first glance. You're only scratching the surface of her character without bothering to go deep. Are there bad things that happened because of her choices, yes. Did she hurt the diamonds because she was wrong in her assessment about them, yes. Did she misjudge their love for her that she commited a horrible action that scared them and corrupted so many gems, yes. But let's look at the other side. Did she feel unloved and unwanted, possibly like she was viewed as a useless and defective gem in the eyes of the diamonds? Yes. Did she give up everything when she had nothing to gain from her rebbelion but everything to lose, even her own life? Yes. Did she have real concern and love towards those she was surrounded with? Yes. Did she feel guilt for every bad thing that happened because it was in some way connected to her actions? Yes. Did she spend her entire life trying to undo the damage she caused? Yes. Did she save earth and work hard to learn from and protect humans? Yes. Was she honest about her own flaws and mistakes? Yes. Did she have secrets from the others because she was too afraid of how they might be hurt by the truth? Yes. Did she value life so much that she was willing to give up her physical form to have steven? Yes. Did she decide to have Steven simply for the experience of childbirth? Yes. Did she have any expectations for Steven other than for him to just be her son? No. Did she leave items and plans behind for Steven to learn most of her secrets and to fix the mistakes she could never correct? Yes. Did she, on many levels, actually show hate for herself and recognition that those around her get hurt? Yes. Did she see the value and beauty in everything no matter how ugly or defective? Yes. Everything we've learned about her since episode one has been showing us that Pink/Rose was a loving and compassionate person who was emotional to a fault. She was so concerned with trying to save everyone from pain and trying not to hurt anyone, but she went to such extremes that she wound up hurting everyone. It's like a mother who shelters her child from the real world because she doesn't want them to get hurt only for the child to be ill prepared for life when they are on their own. There were bad choices made by her and there were many mistakes, but Rose/Pink shows that she's a good person as she never inteded for these things to happen and the fact that these things mainly happened due to her desire to try and save everyone. I'm glad that you are looking at this positively, but i wish people would recognize that this doesn't mean Rose was a horrible person, it means that she was actually as human as anyone else.
Preach. More people need to read this. Very well articulated.
Mystical Archives EXACTLY! People claim they understand and are just saying an opinion bit refuse to acknowledge both sides. Maybe Blue and Yellow were flawed parents. Maybe they didn't convey emotions properly to a clearly YOUNG diamond. Maybe, actually no, most DEFINITELY, Pink planned on living for the CG'S, not for herself. But people absolutely REFUSE to see that and the other points
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 you said this beautifully. I wish more could see this post because you are saying everything that I have been saying since the reveal. Rose is the epitome of “I am not perfect”. She is not a perfect being and never will be. Everyone is misjudging rose/pink as if they were in her shoes. It was either Save the earth and everything on it or let it be destroyed and living the rest of her life unhappy. I’m quite happy with this episode and it’s reveal. And I love your comment.
Damn it’s already been 3 years since the SU fandom exploded from this plot twist
It also led me to believe that just because it’s predictable doesn’t mean it’s bad depending on the context. Steven’s POV about Pink/Rose reminds me of myself as I grew up with mostly my father already passed on before I knew him and wondered what he was like and wondered what negative things he did, and yet held him close as a major person in my life. Yet the unknown based on others’ stories frustrate me.
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I'm always hearing people say that she created the rebellion just to run away from her responsibilities... But where the heck are so many people taking this motivation from?
Here's why that motivation doesn't make sense... (I'm talking plot hole levels of not making sense):
1. She literally needed to do NOTHING (Just smile and wave). There were no effort or worries in her position.
2. We know for a fact she wasn't even planning to stay on Earth. If the Diamonds had listened to her, Pink would've moved the colony to another planet with much less life in it. That fake death stunt was an ultimatum.
3. Steven WASN'T a scapegoat for responsibility. After 5000 years, Rose would never think that Homeworld would come back. Chance are that Pink really wanted to have a baby and, if was going to happen, it had to be with Greg, allowing Steven to grow up with the father figure that she would want her son to grow up with... Spending his entire life, mortal or not, with the Crystal Gems, recovering and, maybe, eventually, curing corrupted Crystal Gems.
4. If she was truly just that dumb and selfish, she would've just used the other Gems to fight for her against Homeworld and lost miserably. By creating Rose Quartz, she gave all gems a CHOICE to fight for Homeworld or for her, because she valued that the most. The talk in the episode about the Sword's Scabbard reinforces this. Plus, the CG's were fighting the ONE Diamond that could be defeated and their leader was powerful like a Diamond as well, it was the only fair fight scenario.
5. She tried EVERYTHING ELSE before considering the last stunt (From "Can't go Back"). The rebellion had more success than her other plans but Blue was right, just from the difference in numbers, the CG was doomed to fail... Even if Rose remained undefeated, she wouldn't be able to protect everyone. The rebels only won because Pink Diamond was "shattered".
Bonus reasoning: You're all basically expecting me to believe that Pink was faking her personality for 5000 years.
I'm not saying she's perfect. We know she didn't had the guts to tell the others about Bismuth or to tell Bismuth the truth... Not to mention the secrets she had to hid even from Pearl... But a BUNCH of people are dead set sure that Pink created the rebellion for her own benefit but, and I have to say this again, SHE WASN'T EVEN PLANNING ON STAYING ON EARTH!
I could say more, but It would be a theory going too deep in spoiler territory.
Henrique Kenzo I actually love your reasoning, I still paint RQ as some type of loving character, although the path she took was arrogant and risked so much, all these points make total sense, if she really did want to run away she could have easily done that, as a diamond she had the power to just gather and army and fight. I mean when you think about it the rebellion had not nearly as many gems yet they manage to win with “RQ” I’m their side. Her initial plans were to colonize earth and leave it to colonize another. The plot line of her loving earth was not false, although maybe part of her plan was to get away from it all, she could have done it any other way in any other time. But she did want to protect earth. I completely agree with your comment
Sms Magikarp Thank you!
Though... I'm still not sure if she was even arrogant at all. She talk to her own Pearl in a humble tone and even says "please" when asking something to her. The only time that this arrogant or selfish side of her personality was ever shown was in that flashback dream at the Jungle Moon... But, after that, her personality seemed to have changed drastically... It's heavily implied that she was basically a completely different person by the time she met Garnet, which is the earliest we see Rose being Rose. The only problem is... Many people are absolutely sure that she never changed...
And, even though I'm almost sure that the crew will debunk that in the very next episode, it still sucks because it's really affecting people's enjoyment of the show and it might drive some to abandon the show if it's not explained thoroughly... A lot of these people might refuse to listen to facts when their pride is on the line.
Oh em gee, THANK YOU!
People have been so quick to go with this super selfish narrative and it makes no sense. True, she has displayed characteristics that are both inconsiderate and self-absorbed but we have all been exposed to the part of her that was clearly growing in trying to be sympathetic. There is no perfect way she could have handled everything and appeased everyone. So many people are just trying to reduce her to being a child that just wanted her way instead of seeing her as something more complex than we know. I'm not understanding why we can't see this as a character development instead of a character flaw.
every gem has a purpose a diamonds purpose is to spread and conquer, Pink successfully completed her first colony. As a result she would be expected to create more and more. I think she realized that and as a curious creature spending all her life conquering will get boring. faking her death got her away from that. Thats what i think anyway
ambe nyamboli I wouldn't say that. Given the care that she exemplifies into making everyone believe in themselves, despite what they felt or what she didn't understand, it was clear to her from jump that her sole purpose wasn't just conquering. We also don't know if there is another hidden reason for the rebellion, but it's clear that she had found another purpose which was protecting and that was more important than being on the same level as her sisters or having the same power and credence as them.
I love that you like the twist as much as I do! Everyones complaining that they don't like being misled about the unknown origins of these characters without cherishing the extra buttercream this throws onto the whole equation.
"The Pony I Wanna Be" Pink Diamond cover
I don't think rose had steven to run away from her problems simply because there was nothing to run from anymore. homeworld was beaten back, the rebellion was successful and they lived millenia in peace, collecting corrupted gems. steven believing she did it to escape her problems is just a facet of his insecurity over her being a good person.
I wholly disagree as to why Rose/Pink refused Bismuth's Breaking Point. Yes, Pink no longer wanted to be the Diamond and assume that responsibility, but she truly believed in protecting Earth, no simply to just hide from everything. Furthermore, that was still her sisters, and loves of the other gems on the line.
Nice video Lea. You brought up all of the same points that The Roundtable, VGMarkis, Swaggy Thunder, & SliceofOtaku made about how this reveal was a bad idea but showed how this was good for the story as a whole, as well as the multiple plot directions & character development the show can go from here
I certainly enjoyed this twist as well, but I don't think this necessarily makes Rose a completely selfish character, like you said. She's certainly far from perfect, but she could've escaped her responsibilities without accepting Garnet, uplifting Pearl to more than just a servant, or saving and preserving Earth's inhabitants. She was certainly reckless, and caused damage to others as a result, but she could've been self-serving without also doing the good that she did. She doesn't go from perfectly good to perfectly selfish, she goes to being in a gray area; and that makes it all the more fascinating.
What's more, she certainly had empathy, but at the same time had a lot of room to grow - especially when it comes to understanding people and Earth's other inhabitants. That's _why_ she decided to put Steven into the world: to gain that understanding and bridge the gap between gems and people. From the beginning of the show, we've already seen Steven make a huge difference in that regard. The crystal gems have gone from isolated hermits to being active parts of the Beach City community, and Pearl has even come to respect Greg!
I personally thought this episode was pretty damn good. It had some great insight into Pearl's psyche and how her being neurotic is the only way she can keep herself together emotionally. This is the type of stuff that got me into the show in the first place and what I hope will be more frequent now that the reveal has happened.
Best video about the fact that rose is pink diamond. Poor Steven.
I'd have to disagree that Rose/Pink ONLY wanted to escape her responsibility. The story that was told about Rose, I think, is true - She fell in love with life on Earth and wanted to protect it, but knew she couldn't do that as a Diamond. Her child & mother-ish relationship with Blue and Yellow could have also easily meant that she didn't want to let them down, one of several important reasons she couldn't have rebelled as herself.
Something I think is interesting is how Pink was more or less a child or childlike character, yet Rose is all sage and wise and majestic. Before this reveal it wouldn't have been a stretch at all to say Rose had some personal issues, but Pink's character blows Rose's wide open. How much of Rose's personality was just a farce based on what her friends needed her to be?
I don't think they/she lacks empathy at all, but rather were selfish about something she loved a lot. She loved Earth, so she selfishly went through a scheme to deceive people she loved in order to protect them and their new home. She loved Greg and Steven, so she selfishly locked away her secrets and left behind Rose's perfect persona as much as possible, not to save her own face - she'd be gone! - but to try and give them someone to love without conflicting emotions for as long as possible.
And funnily enough, Steven has extremely similar conflicts quite often, where he can either be real about his issues and work together, or be "selfish" and dig a deep hole on top of himself to try to fix problems instead because he feels he has to, to protect who he loves.
Tree Dragon that's way too much to read
I love this view, and I think it's really true! :)
This was such a good episode, and I'm so glad it went this way. I could go on for hours talking about how great it is.
i think people are jumping to the worst case scenario to readily here. Like, even though youre putting a positive spin on it, I don't fully agree that she became Rose to run away. She just naively thought that it would end the war like she thought any of her other excuses would allow her to abandon the colony. I think Rose had the best intention but shes immature and naive so it fell apart around her. I don't think Steven being her escape is what they are going for, it's too dark and feels overcomplicated. If she just wanted to run, she could have just faked her death and ran.
werst9 Yea i stongly agree. Even if a piece of pink diamond wanted to run from her problems it doesn't mean that's the ONLY reason she started the rebellion. I think she had a real empathy for the crystal gems, and honestly loved humans, otherwise she wouldn't have sacrificed her entire being for Steven to happen.
I don't think Pink Diamond had much of a choice from a political standpoint. However, she dealt with a situation way above her and miscalculated the consequences of her actions.
also she was immature,I do believe she mature over time ,she never thought that blue and yellow would get so upset or care that much,as she put it 'this is pink diamond's planet,blue and yellow don't care".
I was with you up until you said rose only did what she did to escape her duties as a diamond. That couldn't be further from the truth and the show proves that again and again.
Her sentimental attachment to earth's organic life is why she wanted to help. But of course how could she possibly convince people to follow her as a diamond.
Her love for Greg and her son are another thing. If all she ever wanted was to give up her responsibilities, yes you can argue that her becoming apart of Steven accomplished that but at the same time why would she knowingly put her own son/herself in danger.
Rose is one of those people with good intentions overshadowed rightfully by bad impact
I totally agree with you
She tried as diamond to change things but nobody really listen. So she became Rose a underdog who fight for this planet to be itself. She thought if they won't listen to Pink then maybe they will listen to Rose. Of course once the choice was made their was no turning back.
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my only disagreement years later is originally yes pink wanted to NOT be a diamond, pearl showed the earth making her want to keep it safe and also not be a diamond, then she saw other gems and wanted them and pearl the be their own. when pearl said yes my diamond you could see pink cringe, she didnt like that even before the rebellion. I am years and years late but its fineee
wow you really predicted how garnet would fall apart after learning about pink
You seem stuck on PD just wanting to get away from her responsibilities as a diamond leader, but that isn't the whole story. We've been told, time and time again, that Rose loved the Earth and wanted to protect it from total destruction by her people. She wanted her fellow gems to get away from the oppressive, hive-minded society that was under the diamond rulers that they lived in as well.
From what I've pieced together, she must have tried, time and time again, to get Blue and Yellow to leave the Earth alone. With each shut down, she probably came up with her final idea of faking her own shattering to get them to leave, which backfired.
The zoo must have been made early in the colonization as her way to protect the sentient beings from total extinction. She probably grew to love them pretty quickly and decided to keep some of them safe (probably before she decided to stop their colonization), pampered, and well taken care of. Much like what we do with our zoos really. This is speculation, of course, but it makes sense.
So this whole idea of her being totally selfish is, quite frankly, getting on my nerves. Is she a perfect princess without flaws? Absolutely not. Did she make terrible decisions? Absolutely. True, she wanted to get away from her society and live freely without the burden of leadership, but that was the only selfish part that anyone could probably sympathize with. And if creating a new identity was the only way to achieve her freedom, other gems' freedom, and the freedom of Earth, then so be it.
Raging Raichu I agree with you. I don’t think it’s her avoiding responsibility. She wanted the responsibility at first, but then realized what they were doing was wrong.
Raging Raichu Exactlyyyyyy, she was truly a good hearted person, her persona shows it. Although she made immature actions, I feel they can be view from many perspectives. On one hand she ran away from everything to be free, on another she ran away to create something better, for not only herself to be free but everyone who thought how she did. Her past is very controversial, that’s why I love listening to others opinions on it
Shes not THAT selfish, she just lacks empathy and thats why she hurts everyone around her
She may have loved humans, but not as people but some kind of funny pets, only when she meets greg she seems to take more interest in understanding them
Well, yeah. She fell in love with humans like we fall in love with some animals.
What sucks even more is that even though the other Diamonds were so oppressive, they genuinely cared about Pink Diamond and mourned her "shattering." Pink Diamond had good intentions from the beginning (sort of), but really it all just backfired.
I feel rose began to feel compassion when see danced with greg.
I personally saw the whole "don't shatter" thing before the reveal to be about "this isn't how we do things, we aren't monsters, utter destruction isn't the answer, you've gone too far". After the reveal I thought maybe it could have been "you've gone too far, I don't want to hurt my family" ya'know.
But tbh, this seems like a nice view to see.
Honestly both those things were probably what Rose was trying to convey to Bismuth. We know how she feels about shattering and we know that Rose cared about her Diamond sisters and loved them even if she could never agree with them or get them to see things the way she did. Bismuth's plans were simply never going to fly with her.
After watching "Change Your Mind", I think that Pink Diamond / Rose Quartz were VERY empathic. The problem is that Pink is more intuitive/spontaneous than logical/methodical. As a consequence she is kind of dense and poor at planning. Pink's problem is that she can't collect all the pieces of the puzzle (realize what people are feeling), it is that she sometimes can't assemble them into a full picture of what is going on.
Garnet I think is mainly so.... upset? Because Rose always told her to be herself. To find out that Rose wasn't even a Rose Quartz must make her think she was lying, making Sapphire run away from fusion.
I love how you made this video. I hate everyone criticizing this episode because it was actually one of my favourite episodes, if not my favourite ever!
It's funny if that's the case because being ""Rose Quartz" was the most honest Pink Diamond has ever been with herself.
I personally love that Rose is Pink Diamond cause Rose was already my favourite character and now she has more depth
More depths? I suppose.. i mean, before Rose was just a shitty person.. now she's just a really shitty person.
frostmagemarii That may be your opinion and I respect it but for me Rose was a curious and kind Gem (even if faking it) and now she is curious Diamond unsatisfied with the way of society, I understand that you may think Pink Diamond was selfish for "using" the rebellion as a way to escape but she still had the same intention of giving freedom to her followers, generally the rebellion is honourable, you do understand your perspective but I do dislike Rose's mentality, I liked believing that she was a kind and caring person but no-one can be as kind as she seemed without some sort of Flaw (lol sorry for Long Text)
She never had any intention of giving freedom to her followers. Her followers were a means to an end, even when she was just rose quartz (Her own freedom to experience the world).
Even from the picture they painted of her before, she did things for the experience. Being rose quartz was an experience, fusions were an experience, Greg was an experience, even steven is just another experience.
Some good things have come out of Pink's/Rose's actions, but she hasn't done anything for any one for their sake. It was clear that Pink didn't give a damn about Pearl in the flashback, she was more concerned about how "exciting" everything would be after pink was 'shattered'; and Pearl was just another pearl following her diamond. Pearl never gained any sort of Freedom from it.
So i didn't mean "shitty person" as her being a poor character, i meant it as her being a shitty person. Someone that from all that's been uncovered, she has no redeeming qualities (as a person) to me.
frostmagemarii Thank you very much for sharing your point of view, You really know how to debate and you've changed my perspective while she is still my favourite character due to her curious and rebellious nature I'm glad that you are enlightened me that she may not be as Caring as she seems, Honestly from one SU fan to another Thank you, I hope that in the future you do something with your debating skills or perhaps you already have I don't know your life but anyway Thanks I'm pleased to see others so passionate about Steven Universe
Oh yeah, if she's your favourite character, that's no problem. I wasn't trying to change that, you can like who ya like. Have a good one.
The only thing I COULD argue against your video is that Pink Diamond could have had other reasons for wanting to abandon her diamond status as well, such as fighting for Earth, and the freedom of Gems.
But since that's literally all I could argue, great job! Fantastic video!
Excellent analysis and very thought-provoking! Jasper is one of my favorite characters and I'm really looking forward to seeing her again and seeing her deal with these revelations.
I loved your point of view, and the design of your avatar. New subscriber, keep the good work Lea
Thank you!
Lea C. What is the gem of your avatar
Same here.
Honestly this is the best brake Down I have seen and you made me see the scene from a different point of view, also a fan of your avatar keep it up you got my sub
Glad you guys liked my analysis and are liking my avatar! She's a Blue Topaz, by the way.
That explains the line : ( i always thought I might be bad , now I know that it's true )
Cause i think youre so good and I'm nothing like you!
Look at you go I just adore you, I wish that I knew
What makes.. you think I'm so special ?
If I could, begin to be
Half of what you though of me
This reveal was built into the premise of the show from day 4. There's a shirt from before the Pilot premiered that shows Steven's Gem as PD's. This was planned, this was foreshadowed, and only Honestuck could pull off such a reveal completely seriously after so long. You could see it in the Battlefield, you could see it in her powers contrasting those of quartzes, you could see it in the murals, you could see it in the dollars. All masterfully made.
Your gemstone is amazing, and I loved this video, I really like this point of view, I feel similar. Can’t wait for more episodes!!!
I love Rose lol, she made the plot thicker. Now I know why Rose was a weird character. She felt suspicious and just weird. But I don't hate her. We really wouldn't have Steven without her after all
Gretchen true, even though I’ll never be able to look at Rose the same way again, I still love her
We wouldn't have the main problem without her either. She's the problem and the solution.
If all diamonds were perfect we wouldn’t have Stevens!
@@irelynenoelle2001 True, true.
Agreed! I always thought she was a complex and interesting character
This revelation explains the one interview quote when Rebecca said in Season 5 Steven was always trying to fill the shoes of his mother but she was always barefoot. (Sorry if I botched that it was paraphrased)
I just discovered your content through this video, and quite honestly it looks like you're shaping up be yet another awesome SUtuber! And can I just say how much I ADORE your OC/Gemsona!! She's really cute and I love her design! She kinda reminds me of a gem version of Sadie
This is fantastic, bravo! I hope more people watch this video and consider your words before spazzing out, because I saw think you said this all very wonderfully. I saw the Pink Diamond reveal coming and I can't wait to see where the plot goes.
Everyone has been assuming Pink's entire motivation was just to escape her responsibilities as a Diamond. Why does no one think she was genuinely trying to rebel against the other Diamonds, albeit in a covert way?
What makes your channel great is how you have unique opinions and a point of view from the rest of us ! You got a new sub 🌟
never watched the show, but this video poppoed up and now i'm starting, you made it look very interesting! thankyou!
.... I'm unsure where you're drawing the conclusion that Pink just wanted to get away from responsibilities?
I think she just thought home world sucked and loves all of the life on earth.
And then runs away.
Why not use her power as a Dimond to change things?
But, she doesnt. She runs. She's NOT righteous. She's flawed. Her choices are selfish. Not evil. But shelfish. Gems died. DIED because of her choices. That's NOT good. And that's NOT love for others.
I see a lot of complaints that Pink wanted to avoid her "diamond duties." Please refresh my memory as to what those "duties" are. I do believe that they entail eco-genocide, not just on a planetary scale on Earth but EVERYWHERE the Diamonds snatch resources with their greedy little blood-stained hands, as we saw in "Jungle Moon."
For Pink to throw her hands up and say "I quit" doesn't make her all that horrible. Her other irresponsibilities are a different matter.
That's not what the point is. The point is she was being selfish and wanted to avoid her responsibilities (whether they were good or bad). She could've broken away and rebelled without completely lying to everyone. Her lying caused more damage than if she were to rebel just outright as Pink Diamond. Even after she rebelled, she would still have to be a Diamond to her gems, because it would take them forever to get rid of the mentality that you follow a Diamond.
So yes. She wanted to avoid her Diamond duties and everything that came with being a Diamond. Not so much a complaint as it is an observation.
Pink thought that her sisters would react with the usual callous indifference and utilitarian calculation they typically show and just write Earth off. Her mindset at the time wasn't oriented to starting a civil war with her Diamond siblings, although she BADLY BADLY miscalculated and got that anyway.
She only did this after continually complaining and objecting to the eco-genocide of Earth, as we saw in "Can't Go Back." Now, I fully agree that she's a selfish creep by human standards, but I base that on her not cleaning up more of her messes before having Steven *after* the Gem War was over.
Lea C. If she rebel as a diamond there are only two thing can happen: Yellow, Blue and White will use all of their power to kill or at least erase her name and everything else off her form everyone or no that's the only thing that can happen if she rebel as a diamond. By the way, did you guys notice that the gem drill look alot like some certain virus?
She is the only Diamond who has a team of defective Famethyst still unshattered.
I judge her by that.
It was her duty to wipe out all humans and defective Gems...not risk danger, or give her Pearl the choice to opt out of her rebellion, or tell fusions they were beautiful and had worth.
But she did.
I don't thing she was that againts diamonds "duties" if that was the case she could have rebel to the diamonds as a system, wich she didn't, but there were gems who thought the best was to get ride of those diamonds, thing she didn't agree with.
She rebel so earth , and just earth could be protected, why? that was her personal heaven, she realizes that there things don't stay the same and change, that you can be who you are, she wanted to protect that space so other gems like her could use it as a place to scape to be who they are BUT that's all, her purpose was earth not get ride of the diamonds (since she is one) and their system.
Very good video, you're very well-spoken and eloquent, and you did a great job of getting into the meat of the show, the characters, and what this revelation means for all of them. Nice work.
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No.
Rose/Pink was abused.
And when she realized that there were other gems in the same boat, she fought for a free world.
I am a survivor of an abusive family; I did the same thing.
god i feel so bad for steven
Buddy3439 samee
But he is a diamond
Clip That and? he was lied to his entire life. his middle name is literally a lie
Welp, at least he doesn't have to deal with the cognitive dissonance of thinking his mom shattered someone, right? That's gotta be a load off.
I love this perspective!
Rose's decision was about escaping her responsibilities, for sure. But I think it was born out of a genuine affection for the earth and a desire to defend it -- it was just expressed in a kind of youthful romanticism.
ughhhh you just made me all the more excited about the next season
“You can’t fathom how much I’ve mourned. What thousands of years of grief has done to me!”
honestly, almost every episode is a foreshadow leading up to the recent events of SU. and people who don't overanalyze or read between the lines, can't see that or won't understand the intricate story telling that the Crewniverse and Rebecca Sugar had done. rewatching these episodes are opening my eyes to and I'm so hyped for the next episodes and see what's to come!
as always, your vids are amazing!
A gigantic level of foreshadowing too includes Lion 4: Alternate Ending.
It's even in the human episodes. When Sadie was forced to sing by her mother and escaped it by having Steven go on stage. When Kiki didn't want to tell Jenny she didn't want to deliver pizza. It's everywhere.
SunScourge this is exactly why the beqch citizens episodes are important and shouldn't be seen as pointless. you're absolutely correct!! (✽ ﾟдﾟ ✽)
+Sunscourge You basically stated why I hate it when people call townie episodes filler. A lot of them have importance if you read between the lines.
Who said Pink diamond was trying to escape her responsibilities? In one flashback she didn't have many responsibilities as the youngest and smallest diamond but wanted more of them (a colony of her own) and in another flashback Blue diamond told her that she doesn't even have to do anything, so I guessed even with her colony she didn't have many responsibilities either.
Rugilė I think she acted like this because blue told her as long as she is there to rule the colony would be complete. So she made this decision to stop the colony from completing. I don't think she wanted to run from being a diamond, I think she just realized that destroying all the life on earth was wrong so she wanted to put a stop to it, no matter what she had to do to save it.
I love the design of your Gem character. Also, you just got a new subscriber
"I think our disappointment comes from over-theorizing.” Reminds me of WandaVision.