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Aaaaah yes, phantom, the maple paradox, the class that gets weaker with every buff
I feel with them reworking most abilities into passives they are going to need to figure out what to do with Phantom. His entire point was he steals the skills, while yes he still can, is being lost more and more.
Wait till final cut becomes passive
well the skills being converted to passives are mostly att speed buffs and some stats. the new attack skills are still actives so it doesnt really affect much, but maybe nexon will adjust the steal penalty in order to make up for it?
@@RoyalSanitySam skills that are buffed with passives suck on phantom
like pf's cardinal deluge/burst
still better than it's own skills tho
@@RoyalSanitySam that's the point of phantom u steal all the buff and use one strongest skill. There's no point of having dozen attack skill when all u need is 2~3
@@castkeyboard dang all DBs would rejoice then XD no more losing 40% final damage on death
I’ve never been this early before, but got so excited when I saw this video because I used to main phantom 🥺
I am sorry 4 ur loss. As a DrK main, I feel ur pain.
Seems like the developers are too consumed in the skill-stealing mechanic (or novelty at this point) of the class and aren’t viewing the class as a class itself. Phantoms are punished more by their skill stealing mechanic than anything and that might be because there’s just too much to consider in their tool kit - so devs think the easy approach is to make them both inconvenient to use and weaker than needed to prevent it from being overpowered.
If they want to keep the skill stealing novelty, we should be able to steal skills from job instructors. Having to rely on a player base isn’t cutting it anymore, especially in certain servers.
Maybe they should consider replacing Impeccable Memory with a shift skill (Think: Xenon) where you can shift an attack to be either single target, multi-target, or something in between. That better fits a jack of all trade route than what’s currently in place - switching skills in battle is basically a death wish.
The shift skills can take on attributes of the most commonly stolen explorer skills - similar hitboxes, etc. but re-skin them to match Phantom’s color/card scheme/theme. This way devs would only need to balance around a much more limited kit.
I also feel like the one skill per Job tier isn’t working out anymore. Allow these four slots to be from any tier (Final Cut & Sharp Eyes used concurrently would be awesome), and give us more steal slots at each tier. If the damage reduction from stolen skills is because of access to Final Cut / Cross Surge, then make those skills unsteal-able, give Phantom similar native skills (pref. With similar functionality), and balance more easily around a simplified kit.
Ultimately, this class is great idea with poor execution. Maybe it’s on brand for this game at this point… :(
I feel like there's three routes that they can push phantom towards.
1. Getting rid of the skill stealing mechanic in favor for a card aesthetic (My least favorite choice but I wouldn't blame Nexon, it's the easiest to balance)
2. Allowing Phantoms to steal passives as well. (Very hectic, and very hard to balance)
3. Allowing Phantoms to steal skills from classes other than explorers. (I don't actually think this will help that much)
My opinion is to go the 2nd route, and just expand the number of usable stolen skills too. Maybe make it so you can also replace Phantom's Actives and Passives with other classes' actives and passives if you find yourself not using all of your toolkit. I'd really like Phantom to feel like the Mix&Match class, where you can really customize your build for every situation or playstyle. If there's multiple high tier Phantom Builds, then it would really add a lot of fun to the class. Vs right now where there's basically an objective best choice for bossing, which is take all of the damage buffs.
Like for instance replacing Vol D'Ame and Final Feint while training, since you rarely use them anyway while mobbing.
Would it be hard to balance? Probably, but Phantom has basically always felt like a bad class because their ratios have always been low. All he really has is a lot of lines, and even now DW and WA have him beat pretty significantly.
Thank you for this video!
I play phantom a lot and i've been wondering what's gonna happen to them post remaster, finally a video that i could refer to!
here's an idea why not make phantom able to steal both resistance and Cygnus knights skills in al fairness it seems pretty okay to do this and could be a fun and decent buff to phantom if not both then at least 1 of the two, secondly maybe give phantom a buff depending on what archtype he uses, for example if phantom uses a skill belong to a thief class give him crit rate and crit damage, or at the very least something that activates and buffs him when he uses a stolen skill
Makes me feel like Im burning a phantom for no reason right now. Might have to take another x year break till they showcase the phantom revamp. But this is tragic to hear.
Too bad. They should buff the stealing skill. Maybe allow them to steal from Cygnus Knights, but they aren't in the best spot either and the ones that are have prereqs that would make it suboptimal. Maybe allow them to steal skills from any class to open up the pool, minus classes with unique usage mechanics (Kinesis, Kanna, the demons, etc).
Thanks to this comment, the mental image of someone like phantom chucking a train by stealing kinesis skill made me laugh. And Phantom has canonically been able to steal non explorer skills like in Heroes Of Maple where he stole Luminous orb, so hey, why not?
So after all these years, now it's Explorers turn to steal something from Phantom! Good for them.
As a Phantom main I've come to expect Nexon to forget about the class entirely. After the update the class is worse since we can no longer steal rage. But we're lucky we didn't lose cross surge and final cut.
They reworked Cross Surge so instead of 80% Final Damage of current hp it gives Berserkers 50% passively and 20 or 25% when active, so we'd only get 20/25% sadly ;_;
@@DerpwaldDuck no, Cross Surge has been 20% for a while now. The final damage that was lost was instead found in Phantom’s own passive skills, so it actually made it so Phantom wasn’t so reliant on Cross Surge anymore. But yeah Phantom is in a bad spot rn
cygnus ignition remastered, hopefully next are the heroes
@@zenkoku6982 I think I read somewhere the Resistance is actually next once Mihile and the Knights get their update sent to GMS.
I'm sure that it's the same in Gms with rage and magic guard. Reason is that both are considered damage reduction and the game only Let's you use one or the other
Ooh i didnt know!
@@coppersan right, so if you take out the magic guard, you should be able to use rage. Well at least that's how it is for my phantom
@@XtiyoonKHX I can confirm it works, you can only have one of the two at a time.
I wonder what would happen if Combo Orbs could be stealed...
by the way, great video as always :)
i think phantom stealing from all classes in maplestory is the best solution just like with the explorers you don't let him steal every skill but this would help a lot and would make the class one of the most unique classes in the game removing the stealing mechanic would defeat the whole purpose of us phantom mains playing him
That's a lot of maintenance and the least future-proof solution
Closest possible solution would be allowing them to steal Cygnus Knight skills after their remaster but realistically they'll have to drastically change Phantom and that will be a hard hit to those who main it
@@RamzaBeoulves I just think it’s pretty dumb thing to just steal explorer skills
Thanks for the awesome coverage
Can’t believe you’re still consistent with Maplestory! I play Hayato and just recently got back! Do you have any tips/tricks for the class?
When I first started playing again I chose hayato and it made me quit again, my suggestion would be to pick a different class
Not trying to be negative but it's my experience
If you like Hayato then play Hayato don't quit because some other dude didn't like it. It's a very good class especially after 5th job. Try more classes or look at class videos on CZcams Coppersan has great ones. See which aesthetics you like and then you might enjoy the playstyle as well
10 years ago when I was still playing MapleStory, I was a Phantom main player. He is really cool!🔥
As a phantom main, I can say there will be a change in overall skill to steal since many has their active buff switched out as passives.
Cross surge replaced with extreme archery. As now extreme archery gives 30 fd vs 20/25 from cross surge.
Dark sight / magic guard
Rage
Final cut/mobbing alternatives
Bullseye/marksman hyper.
I believe extreme archery already has 30% FD outside of KMS, but it cannot be stolen. So Phantoms will still stick to cross surge.
i really like to believe they are keeping something beyond good for our phantoms main comrades :'(.
Heroes branch will get a rework eventually too. I bet they are going to execute during THAT patch.
I'm desperatly faithfull..
@@wyckedi2628 as a mihile main I feel that with the Cygnus rework..
I just went for sharp eyes for early 4th job, the extra crit and damage are nice at that point.
You know, I like phantom. And i think they should go all in om the skill steal, let him steal from any class, you can keep his restriction of not getting passives, that should be restrictive enough. Get rid of some of the card stuff, it's not unique or interesting enough, and give him more storage space. Give him a skill to steal only attavks, one for buffs, one for debuffs, one for utility, you don't need to give them that many for each job, but one per job is lame. Also you can give him buffs for shuffling the skills, encouraging players to diversify. As he is it's still fun to play, but it could be even greater
Came back to the game after a 4 year hiatus. Then i wondered where all my skills have gone on my phantom main.....
they should make stolen skills for phantom stronger than the normal skills, this class i cant see how they did anything against the black mage lol.
Just got back into the game after a few years and while I love the phantom theme of skill stealing, it feels less important with this adventurer revamp and the way 5th job gives everyone access to some skills.
I think a rework to remove skill stealing would be beneficial since party play isn't as relevant as it once was.
Depends how you define party play. On grinding no , but on bosses bishops , kanna , paladins and even phantoms supports are as important or more than DPS
So I learned playing phantom today that for some reason if you have magic guard registered to the first job slot you can't use fighter's Spirit Blade. I think it's because it negates 30% damage while also giving a damage reflect.
i always just used path's 1st job skill to lvl 100 as phantom
Phantom's biggest problem is just finding the skills to steal
I was kind of scared of how phantom will play out. But I'm happy that I can keep cross surge and final cut.
Honestly I wish they removed cross surge and just gave us the 25% fd into a passive so we can actually use that slot for something else, or have it while mobbing efficiently
I'm a KMS user and I saw a few people say not much has changed and they prob will use pathfinder blast and paladins aoe skill but that only works when you have enough damage
for low end players like me (i only level phantom for fun) prob will use bowmaster when i cant one-kill and showdown if i can
Question, and maybe I missed it, but are there any skills you can no longer get (but keep) from previous patch.
I think how about they make it like phantom can use 5~6skills from the total skills stolen (for 1st to 4th job),then phantom can use the actives from other classes while not affecting it's damage by alot(like having 4 buff on and 1mobbing skill),which make more uses for those stolen skills
been saying it would turn out like this. not being able to benifit from the passives. everyone was saying WOOOH PHANTOM. not understanding he doesnt have all the pieces to the puzzle that make each individual class. because he'll always lack their passives and they need to kill the steal mechanic. cause it looks like as long as he has that he'll get no love
I hope that the long time loyal phantom mains finally catch a break...
Imagine being able to steal passives :O
How useful is chain lightning without the passive hyper skills buff?
Ty for for the phantom prospective. People keep saying phantom is op when they keep removing skills they can steal and even other classes getting % dmg increases to main attacking skills or a final damage% boost in the recent kms patch. if kms is so stingy with any dmg increase for phantom bossing at least let impeccable memory or phantom self skills have extra % dmg to normal monsters and let us steal skills like maplestory M.
Also make tempest relevant, it's 99% useless now.
Oef its looking rough for the little phantom.
they could honestly just rework phantom and make it not rely on stolen skills no more, just on his own skill set, that would be easier to balance. it's not like there's much flexibility when it comes to what skills you steal anyway, you just steal the op dmg buffs + whatever mobbing skill you need for your specific map
starting one now for a boss mule, main is a lumi so i wanna share CS, i always liked the concept of phantom i just feel he's pretty mid but still fun
This is good , Nice skills of the phantom , I guess it is time to login to the game .
Does this mean I need to play maple again? Will I finally be able to compete with my old guildies half my level!?
당신을 팔로워했다 메이플스토리 즐겨주셔서 감사를 표한다 메이플스토리 서버종료 안돼도록 메이플 열심히 해주시길 바란다 .
wich skills to steal? can i get a list of those instead of the video?
It's heree~
Hi Mr. Coppersan Sir. Can you list the optimal skills in the description or pin it as a comment?
He's my fav class, and im So sad that he is that weak now
Hola, no esta la habilidad de radia del héroe, y eso porque?
Phantoms and Mercedes really needs a revamp
So it's basically another assassin with a different weapon type?
for second job, use the Pathfinder 1st skill and corsair 2nd skill on a macro. enjoy early mobbing easy mode
Is the way to play phantom to not actually use your own skills but to steal and farm with other explorer’s skills?
For bossing you use stolen buffs. For training you use stolen skills.
Phantoms still have below average damage in bossing and very niche training locations.
How do you steal skills?
As a Phantom main this just hurts to look at...
I burned a phantom because always wanted to main it since the launch on KMS but god why..
This update was my hope for this class but nope. Im back to my old Luminous
What if Phantom could steal a single 5th job skill from explorers
I play at EU reboot so when I grinded my phantom to 200 I couldn't be bothered to find anyone to steal from so I just used the standard skills all the way. With how the amount of skills you can steal has consistently been reduced during the years it seems like I might be the perfect phantom according to nexon.
Wich skills its good to train?
classic heneseys 500 people sitting around and only 2 people are classic explorers for phantom steals
Dam i actually feel bad for Phantom isn't he one of the 5 heroes, why they do my boy like that
Phantom is now officially the worst class in the new patch, ranking bottom in the DPM department (lower than bishop btw), no buffs whatsoever so far except 10% final damage debuff from bishop's heal being removed. Sadge
do you have the new dpm chart list thanks
I never understood why bishop (and phantom) are so low on the damage regard. Ofcourse bishop is considered to be able to support, but a lot of other classes have many utilities as well. Just normalize damage for all classes and then flavor them differently.
@@animejerk05 check out CopperSan's latest video
i feel like he should be able to steal almost every skill from explorers and cygnus resistance too the skills arent given by some god its just random dudes who learned by the instructors
Damn, I'm not even stealing skills. Just hit 200. Again, no idea what's good or not and where to look for people xD
wow phantom now can jump upward??
Not an active mapler, may return soon. Is the explorer remastered path live yet in europe ?
if i'm not wrong, the patch should come in summer
If you can't steal poison region what's even the point then?
We need heroes classes revamp
How about letting phantom to have another skill, which will summon an illusion to use one loadout attacking skill for every x cards charged in deck?Seems cool but mobbing still remain suck
Poor phantom:(
I think the issue with Phantom is that it just absolutely sucks. If you don't have the preferred stolen abilities you're basically useless and forced to go with your 3rd job ability Blason to be even remotely mobile while mobbing. Boss damage is pretty low as well, but it's still within reasonable limits.
so we cant steal hero's rush skill?
Phantoms are still a very strong class despite not getting a "buff" you still have Frozen orb, Arrow Platter, Pathfinders first and second job skills. They've also buffed chain lightning to be the same as Luminous' Reflection. The last patch where they buffed Phantoms, they were insane buffs and made Phantoms more comparable or even better to other classes interms of damage. Yes we didn't get a buff but it doesn't mean that we're weak. It's not the end of the world for Phantoms but If they were to buff us the best solution would to buff our hurricanes damage like Mile and Tempest. Our kit in general is insanely good with burst and consistent damage as well as a bunch of other utlity such as dark sight and heal. Cross Surge and Final Cut stayed as actives because KMS knows that it would hurt Phantoms significantly if they remove them they would proably try to find other ways to compensate. Phantoms stolen skills should only be used as buffs for damage in bosses otherwise our whole kit would be obsolete, our training stays the same or even improved with the new updated skills from what I've said previously.
Still dont understand why phantoms cant steal skills from cygnus knights and resistance he should be able to at least steal from cygnus knights it doesnt make sense why he doesnt
i lvl a Phantom to 200, without stealing skills xD didn't even bother.
WHERE IS BOOTY WARRIOR GT???
thats not cool that u cant steal good 4th job skill. it was already hard enough as a phantom since explorer classes r played a lot less cause all the new classes got the good stuff. (did they change it so phantom can steal any skill from any class now? before this comes out) i should get my phantom to lvl 200 now before it get worse. i hope its a bug they can fix or a change they can do.
No mention of stealing pathfinder for 1st/2nd job? :O
he mentioned it
my boy gets no love
I really want to leave a like but is in 69 and I can't change it :(
phantom, shade, and luminius need rework
You already spoiled me the video on discord lol
Besides stealing skills which is exhausting this class honestly sucks
IMO Phantoms shouldnt be able to steal attacking skills from other characters, it makes the job... awkard. People don't use Phantom's own attacking skills because they are less efficient than other job skills, but then playing Phantom feels like playing a cheap version of another job. Buff Phantom's attacks and let him steal buffs and passives from other jobs. If the fear is that doing so would make the job broken then add a cap so that each stolen skill is only a fraction X% as strong as the original but can be stacked with Phantom's own buffs. If even that is not enough, have Phantom steal stats.
I came back from not playing for years and all my stolen skills are gone.... i quit again today... fuck this game
the real MS thief
It is time for Phantom to be able to steal non-explorer classes in current year. Pl0x Nexon
Sitting at 221 on my Phantom and being that I main this class. Watching this video has kinda made the mood horrid..Sounds like they need to put more dedicated work into the class, instead of just making everything passive and useless to us. Either that or they create entire new skills for us to use because to me I feel we just got screwed. The fact that it seems extremely limited on what we can actually steal even though that is the ENTIRE point of this class being unique is to STEAL SKILLS.
Really don't feel like funding my Phantom anymore at this point, grinded all through Burning just to see this video and be told basically; Explorer re-vamp actually made Phantoms worse due to skills turning passive, we didn't get any buffs to our own skills and our damage is basically less now. Oh but don't know worry guys! You can now jump upwards.
I really wish they did away with the ‘skill stealing’ thing. 1) I, personally, really like the individuality of the heros so, I never liked the fact that you can just use someone else’s exact skills. 2) Phantom has the only real ‘card throwing’ gimmick and I would love to see more of their unique skills
skill stealing is detrimental to phantoms ingame health. it is the only reason why they keep phantom underpowered. seriously. if they just let it die, like they let dragon knights go Dark and Paladins lose their elemental edge. they even trash bin'd transform. its was an interesting idea but its not working, they should just scrap it. so he can be a full class rather that 1/5 of everyone else
kms is solidifying phantom's identity as an Explorer Knockoff 🤣 with all explorer skills turning into passives, phantom can only steal weaker versions AKA phantom is a cheap knockoff of explorers lol
please shade after explorer remaster
I dont understand, it is such a cool class. It was already one of the weakest in the game, so lets make it even weaker ? Unforunate as a phantom main at heart
i wonder if its only me, but mana in this video is tilting me a bit haha
Really phantoms have become weak? Guess those players aren't even playing phantoms properly then or just basing their class dps on some dpm chart that is never accurate. Unable to steal lots of skills, what's the point of stealing 80 skills when you're just going to go for the BiS skills which i can cut it down to like less than 8 in global and sea servers.
Maple seems so lame rn, all classes feel the same. To much aoe from the start.. Damn i miss bbb.