How To Get MORE Spin Into Disc || Beginner Tips || BEST DRILL
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- čas přidán 15. 05. 2024
- I Accidently found Snap/Spin in a weird way
0:00 Intro
1:11 Variables For Distance
2:10 Finding Spin (Uniquely)
3:34 Disc Away From Body
5:49 8 In Back To 10 (Clock)
7:03 Conclusion & Throws
8:05 Outro - Sport
This works. There’s a YT channel where the guy has developed an entire system that he sells that teaches you this. He has drills for it, etc. he calls it the slingshot method.
This should be re titled. It may help with spin, but as a newer player really struggling to figure out back hand power, this video appears to be a game changer for me.
I’ve been playing 2 years, last year I played forehand only and I’ve gotten quite well with it. This year, I made a plan to figure out how to throw backhand. I’ve watched all of the videos, ALL OF THEM!
I’ve made improvements to my form and power, but I think 235 feet was my max distance.
I stumbled upon this video late last night, I thought about it through the day and couldn’t wait to get home today to try it.
I threw 5 stand still throws using your 90 degree elbow advice. I threw 5 discs without moving my body at all, just arms and it sucked.
I threw 5 more allowing my body to rotate, and I was shocked at the distance I was getting with such little effort.
I then added my walk up and X step and I ripped 3 of my 5 discs over 300 feet for the first time in my life! My new max distance is 311 feet now.! This was only with about 30 minutes of practice and about 25 throws.
Than you so much for this tip, it appears to have answered so many questions for me. It really just taught me how my arm movement should be.
Awesome advice!
Dude that’s super freaken awesome to hear, yea the 90 degrees doesn’t go great for distance but it helped me feel the snap/whip. Really that’s so cool to have that kind of result. Super happy for you. Keep up the good work, also one last thing….. What would you have titled it.. just curious???
@@DiscManiac28 I was joking more than anything about the title. This drill has just done the best job of any video at showing me the way to throw a disc. I was always rounding, trying to muscle the disc and just being inconsistent.
I’m 50 years old, been playing this game for 2 years now and I never grew up throwing a frisbee and never really developed a method. I’ve been struggling to get any kind of consistent power or arm speed. My 16 year old son has been playing 2 years as well, he’s been throwing over 400 feet most of this summer just by figuring it out all on his own, it’s come easy to him, but grasping the entire concept has been more difficult for me.
Your video just seems to have unlocked the little missing piece I needed.
@@stainless10fp13 ok sweet got ya, I love sarcasm but it’s hard to tell sometimes in text lol but that’s super awesome to hear glad it’s helping
8 in back to 10, so catchy, thanks man 🙏🏻
Thanks, very welcome
I’m definitely going to try this. New to disc golf and I’m 57 with a worn out baseball shoulder but I’m not giving up lol
Good for you… on not giving up, not the shoulder thing, it has seemed to help me with the act of getting rotation on the disc, took some time but it’s helped me in long run
I'm 70 with 2 artificial hips and a bad shoulder, been playing for a couple of years but can only get them out to about 250 feet, probably due to my age and lack of rotation.
@@rickfunk1355 250 ain’t bad with age and hip stuff going on, flexibility is a big deal but it’s so much form and technique that gets ya the extra distance
I’ve got shoulder stuff because of baseball as well…that’s why I backhand about 95% of my shots if not 99% in reality lol
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This is a refreshing video. A lot of people just copy and paste tips. I’m not a “beginner” and feel like I could take something from this. Good stuff man keep it up
Thanks a bunch, it’s great to hear this kinda stuff:)
Im glad you can take some stuff from it
This helped me a ton. My throws are coming out with lots more spin and I am hitting my lines and angles a lot cleaner and more consistently.
Dude that’s fantastic, great to hear, glad it’s helping:)
Great video and explanation! I’ve felt something like this and seen similar videos but this clarified it visually for me a little better. Going to try it today!
great job. I can't wait to try this tomorrow. great content. keep it up
Paul McBeth does this the most pronounced of all the other players on tour, but all do it to some degree.
Definitely going to be trying the 8 to in to 10 this Sunday to see how it works for me🙌🏼
Nice look at a different approach. Thanks.
Very welcome 😊
I started a “out in out” backhand throw this year and it really helped with consistent hit point and release. Saved a lot of strokes in the woods.
That’s awesome to hear I like it
Slingshot Disc Golf says something along those lines, instead of pulling straight line through the power pocket like has been taught forever, the disc moves more like a V, coming into the chest and back out.
It do move in a V, but it can also move in a pretty straight line if you've got flexibility in the hips for it.
I was watching Eagle reach out, and his hips were turned so much it looked more like he was reaching back, then when he spins, its getting pulled along a straight line into his chest, then out again along the same line.
I've been working a lot on getting my legs and hips into my spin and have been noticing my flexibility is getting better and has been throwing off my aim and finding my disc is moving more and more along a straight line while going out in out.
I like slingshot discgolf learned a lot form him
I think I’ve heard him talk about in and out
Great video! Good info and love the camera angles! Keep it up! 🔥🔥🔥
Thanks:) on the quest for 500 ft lol 😂
Only 27 ft away
@@DiscManiac28 oh you’re getting there within 2-3 months for sure.
Best example of this on the Pro Tour (IMO) is Ezra Robinson. That dude nails your “8 in, back to 10” philosophy phrase on a high level.
I’ll have to watch him throw more closely. I’ll give it a look
I subscribed instantly just because of your ridiculous stretching warm up routine. It's hilarious and I love it. Loving this guy. Keep it up my good man. The genuine amusement at the catchy jingle is one of my favorite things I've seen on CZcams. If you're ever in the Houston area, let's get in a round! 8 IN BACK TO 10 BABY!!
I sure will, thanks for commenting. I’m glad I could make you laugh, lol I try to have some good points and laughs along the way. If I’m ever that way I’m 100% down for a round with new people in new places always. Thanks for positive response
@@DiscManiac28 You're welcome buddy. I freaking love that humor style and just totally a chill vibe. Looking forward to anything you put out in the future. If the weather is good for me tomorrow evening, I'm going to try out this 8 IN BACK TO 10 idea and report back. You've got a fan out of me for life buddy. Take care.
@@GeorgeArthurJr dude that’s fantastic love to hear it all. Maybe one if best compliments I’ve gotten , Let me know how it goes, it took me a minute to get used to it but it’s great once I got it down
Dude. I think this trick works. Tried it today and hit 295, my furthest drive on this one hole at a local course. That’s my maximum I’ve ever thrown so far that I’ve been able to measure. I’m gonna keep trying this out but I think you’re on to something! 8 IN BACK TO 10!
@@GeorgeArthurJr super awesome man, that’s always a great feeling to hit new distances records, super happy for ya and glad the video helps:) keep it up 👍
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Great video too btw!
Oh thanks, I like it, I’m gonna have to get more disc golf related shirts lol 😂
Great Tips Man
Thank you, I’m hoping to get some new videos out soon but been so busy lately I hate that I haven’t be able to make videos like I used to
@@DiscManiac28 Hey man, make em as you can. We'll be here :D.
Great video! Overthrow Disc Golf talks about getting into the "deep pocket" I think it's the same concept but with a different approach.
Possibly, I’ll have to check it out on their channel, I know I’ve seen drew Gibson in slo Mo from above and he goes out, in and back out, I think it was on overthrow channel
Yes this helped to pull the disc in and then out . I can get consistent snap on the disc and I think its because the motion helps to lead with the elbow. Half the snap seems like its in the elbow and the other half in the wrist. I do my normal reach back but then pull the disc in first. Thx for the tip.
Very welcome glad you gained from video :)
This is a great insight.
FYI / history Danny Lindahl covered this in several of his content videos. Another older term for this is the wide rail.
Jumping to modern content creators check out sling shot disc golf.
I'm going to give this a try. I just started playing a little over a month ago, and when I go out playing with experienced players I get a little frustrated that I am always throwing really short compared to them. I need all the help I can get to build up that distance as much as I can!
It was a good stepping stone for me to understand on my form/distance journey
@@DiscManiac28I was throwing earlier and this technique really helped my form. I had no rounding and was hitting ~250' consistently. I've really improved significantly from throwing just over 150' back in late February, when I first started. This is another tool in the toolbag to help me along. Thanks a ton!!
@@Audiot4pe welcome glad to hear the improvements :) 👍
At first, I tried just whipping my hand, and I thought I might snap my wrist in half. Then I watched the rest of the video. I've been working a lot on my form this fall, but more from a sustainability mindset. I'm pushing 40 and want to be playing for another 4 decade, so my form re-tooling is centered around longevity. I think this concept will fit nicely in my approach to the game.
Well said, all around. Now to go ice my wrist.
Thanks, yea it definitely snaps the wrist but it helped me feel it in a different way. Glad it helps
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Gotta try that spinning tip. I've been struggling at 300 ft for a year already. Tried it as a dry-run in the room and it felt good..Thanks!
Welcome :) hope it works for ya.
@@DiscManiac28I think it did - my max is now 350 ft and my average went also up. What a great tip. It really seemed to help quite a bit. Thanks! 🙏
Of course I still have a long way to go but I'm improving now.
@@RBadding very welcome glad it helped. That’s so cool to hear :)
@@RBadding improvement is great place to be, hitting new distances feels so good
OK, so you have *almost* come to an independent discovery of what is called "Spin and Throw" form, which is what the pros have been doing for decades - except they add a useless "reachback" which hurts their distance. (This is why Simon doesn't reach back. No need!)
In Spin & Throw form, the shoulder does not move in the throwing motion (it only moves after the disc is ejected). It is locked at 90 degrees to the chest - poking straight out in front of you. The upper body motion in a disc golf power shot only involves the elbow and the wrist. The elbow closes automatically as the reverse rotation stops, and the player must close their wrist appropriately (timing!) so that the disc pivots around the wrist and levers out of the hand. And so the disc comes to the left side of the chest (the "power pocket") and then the rotating torso (using your back foot, and turning your toes towards the ground as fast as you possibly can) literally throws your elbow open.
No muscles are used to open the elbow or the wrist, and so the ejection point is defined by the form.
The arm is used as a genuine whip, and torso rotation rate becomes the single deciding factor in how far you can throw a disc.
Head on over to Brad's amazing channel: Spin & Throw.
Here is the first of a 40-video playlist which will teach you the heretical science of Spin & Throw.
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You will throw further, be more accurate, and you won't be exhausted at the end of a big day of disc golf, I guarantee it. This is a non-injurious form you will be able to use into your 80s.
I’ve played with this for flat releases. I’ve found it to be more of a timing thing. It makes sure that the disc sits in front of the trailing arm. Insures that deep pocket. Though really it’s almost always turns into a wide rail but from an upright position (thus flat release). Just my personal findings.
I got ya, I’ve heard someone else talk about a wide rail.. I’m gonna have to look it up
I believe both Robbie C and Josh at Overthrow talk about the angle of the disc in relation to your body in your backswing. I talk about it on my channel some as well. I found that most of my spin comes maintaining strict wrist curl through the throw and not actively whipping the disc with my wrist.
That's the great thing about disc golf. So many approaches. I'll give it a shot and see what happens. Thanks for the vid.
Welcome I’ll try what you have talked about as well. Thanks for feedback 😊
I remember hearing them say out-in-out but never really gave a number on the clock except 10 o clock on release. I thought I would mention 8 and see if that helped some people out, :)
@@DiscManiac28 Gotcha, you are probably right, They may not be specific. In one of my earlier vids I say a number. So we are better than them....LOL. j/k I love Robbie C and Josh is my coach...hope he doesn't read this.
@@discsmd I like both of them for sure, I’ve learned from both lol 😂
Solid idea. Have not seen the first idea presented quite that way. Like the concept, but gotta make sure the pop isn't my elbow or shoulder on a dry fire ! Eric Oakley form.
Lol yea not sure what made me do it that way just thought I would share and see if it got good results
your 4th shot looked to be released at 10.30 so that was great but still try what i suggested where you dont actively use your arm to slingshot but let your other side of your body make the slingshot work and only actively use that wrist on the OUT part of the swing and obviously follow through on the same angle for FLIGHT INTEGRITY .. but youve learned the secret of the slingshot no doubt now just time to perfect it which is the journey im on as well! i can hyzer flip a destroyer to about 430ft i can get it to go 30ft further if thrown flat etc.
I will be trying this thanks
Sweet, let me know how it works for ya
I’ve gotta try this when the weather breaks around here. It’s exactly the move Will makes.
It helped me a lot understanding putting spin on it
@@DiscManiac28 the first time I saw Rickey and Paul in person I could not believe how much spin their drives have. It’s insane. They go 450’ + and when they land it looks like a spinning top twirling around on the ground. I think my spin stops at about 90% of the throw 😂
nice job ... thanks
Welcome 😊
good video, slingshot has a video called Tip of the Whip 1:50 mark which reminds me of what you're talking about.
Sweet, I’ll check it out I’ve watched a lot of his videos but don’t remember that one,
The part where you say holding the disc out in front and pulling it inwards. Paul Mcbeth has talked about that a lot. Its like a figure skaters when they want faster RPM they pull their arms in to speed up. That is what paul McBeth calls the power pocket.
Yea that’s exactly how I try to explain it to people having a hard time getting spin. Good points
Potholders work great for indoors motion practice
Never would have thought of that, thanks for tip. :)
Maniac, this looks very interesting. I'm gonna give it a try. I volunteered at the Beaver State Fling this year. I followed the lead card. I was completely blown away with the spins Garrett, Calvin, and Eagle had on the end of 500 foot teeshots. Their disc's would spin on the grass at about 500 rpm. It was unbelievable. I do think you are on to something.
You seem like a really good guy. What part of the country do you live. Best regards, Norm from tigard oregon.
Genius.
Thanks:)
You just found the Matt Orum style. Look up slow motion of him. I use it on shorter drives and mids when I need a nice straight shot. If it works for you keep it up!
Sweet, I’ll have to look him up on slow motion, never noticed it
I believe Slingshot and Overthrow refer to this as "out-in-out". DG Spindoctor also has mentioned this to prevent rounding like you mentioned.
I tried this style of "reach out" with my tech disc and immediately saw +150-200 rpm. Hitting just under 1300 and my normal is about 1100.
Sweet, that’s nice, I haven’t checked my RPM but would love to know where I’m at so I can see what needs to be improved
I’ll add this to the bag of tricks to try out tomorrow and report back to you.
Sweet, love the feedback
I’ve been doing this with a small skip and it’s impressive.
Ok, I never would have thought of that, that would be cool to see! 😊
Made me think of something to try... Instead of curling my (right handed backhand) throwing wrist anti clockwise on the '8 in' ...
I want to try something non-intuitive and try wrist clockwise... and see if (with it loose enough) at the end of the 'IN' I can get it to bounce on the anti-clockwise extremity, giving further clockwise rotation on the 'back to 10' (just an experiment... I don't expect much from it but I need to loosen up...)
I need to have a little play at doing near nothing with my outer arm, using my shoulder and elbow to play trebuchet with my outer... because at the mo I think I'm muscling my arm, tensing it up and ruining any hope of passing my current 330ft...
so much to think about.. until I don't need to think about it...
for me I also found a crow hop was helpful in getting the cross step out of my head...
Of course, like so many driving videos forget to mention... actually getting it in the basket outside the 10ft mark is more important than throwing it 400 ft... and I'm so used to hooking in a put with my pig, I'm having to muscle learn how to throw a straight putter... and I keep expecting it to fade in like the pig... sigh.
(The pig is fun tho for making these weird "amazing" puts that look high and wide, only for it to turn and stall into the basket at the last minute..... but usually just ends up as a "good upshot" instead of what should be a good put...
I had a problem with being to tight a few years ago it all eventually came together and loosened up, it’s funny you mention putting with a pig, I used to put with a jawbreaker “zone” I did a extreme spin out and the zone worked for me, it was harder at longer distances because of the glide, but great for headwinds. Lol I ended up switching my putting stile and switched putters about a year ago or so. Thanks for comment, let me know how it goes
@@DiscManiac28 I managed a 101ft "Put" on a local uphill par 5... that I also managed on another day to par with Pig Only.. (in fact my course best (-4) was the round with only the pig... hmmmm
(We have a unique corse just over the hill from me.. Berhampore New Zealand... Its on a hillside Golf course.
@@TheButlerNZ that’s pretty good I would say for pig only, 101 ft put is always sweet to see go in, it makes me super excited to see whether it’s me or someone else.
@@DiscManiac28 Putting a pig at distance is fun for the watchers as it goes (for me) straight, high, and way off to the right, only for it to stall at the last minute and head 45deg at the basket. I need to video it before I stop doing it...
@@TheButlerNZ yea better get it on film, lol
@5:14 that was a nice solid 150 footer
It was, super blasted… lol no it was a horrible throw
@@DiscManiac28 No no it was great for a full power drive. You'd do fine in baby league.
(I'm just messing with u btw)
@@thompson222 that’s hilarious, I love it so much, you may have made my night with sarcasm it’s me to a “T” it’s hard to see it in messages but love it anyway
That form is very similar to eric oakley. He keeps it ar about 9 oclock rather than 8 for his back extention angle.
Yea he holds the disc straight in front of him at 9 for while
I’ll give it a try
May work for you may not but I hope it helps, it seemed to help me with spin and spacing
whats popping is your fingers snapping together but this IS the secret to disc golf.. theres an old video that teaches this drill Dan Beto 2.0 i think its called but now that youve got the slingshot or snap instead of actively using your arm to make it slingshot now instead use your back leg "by turning in" and off arm "by pushing down" let that intiate and sling your arm and only at the laaaast second actively use your wrist on the throwing arm and thats how you get effortless 400+ shots imo..
Cool, ty
Welcome :)
8 to 10 👍
This is exactly what i been working on the past month. When I get it timed correctly with my run up i throw far. And i hit more gaps when I do this. But its hard. It worl 7 out of 10 throws i want that number to be atleast 9/10
I hear ya…I still have problems releasing it out, old habits trying to break, but I totally get it, when I get ahold of one I can definitely feel it. I’ve gotten more power for sure…. Still trying to hone in accuracy, I’m decent with accuracy but can be so much better.. I’ve also came along way form a year ago so that’s a good thing, as long as your improving that’s a good thing.
@@DiscManiac28 in my mind this is what people refer as the power pocket. I might be wrong but when i get into it i get more power effortless. I love your channel theres no bull shit you go directly on the point. One thing i struggle with at the moment is my brace leg. So you have any tips or drills?
@@Ballovirta r u falling over your front foot? Or Having a hard time keeping your weight back
@@DiscManiac28 im mostly falling over sometimes when I try to not fall over I lean back instead ( i dont feel the power from the brace)
@@Ballovirta got ya, the best way I can describe it is a left handed baseball swing, as far as lower body goes, it’s the closest representation I can think of, I need to post a video about it because it’s the thing I struggled the most at, took me so long to get it down, I still can find myself at times slightly falling forward but way better than I used to. I did a lot of “Stand Stills” trying to keep my weight back slightly but mostly centered and it seemed to help me a lot
I'll try it
Worth a shot, it may help, may not but if you feel some whip at least you will know the feeling, it helped me in that since and creating space
your third shot from my view looked to be released at 11:30 still rounded imo likely bcuz on the outward part of throw you use your elbow and the elbow shouldnt be used at all
All good points, I did release the last ones later than 10 for sure, I’m still working on it but I can tell when I do it right, I can for sure feel the snap.
Some crushes I'm going to 8 to 10 it out there from now on.
Thanks it took some time but seems to work for me
I'll try this, I do have smaller hands so spin, for me is a problem
It took me some time but i kept practicing it and when it clicked I totally noticed, if it don’t work at first maybe don’t give up at first give it some time. Let me know how it goes,
your first shot was better actually.. zero pull just arm thus why it flew perfectly straight just not enough height.. second shot you started off correct then pulled and rounded yes and release was closer to 12o clock then 10o clock..
8 in, back to 10,
I can't sing I ain't pretty and my legs are thin. Ba-bomp.
Is it 10 o'clock relative to the target, or the body? The "clock" is in motion, during walk up (if attached to the body), and not directly at the target line, but to the left. So maybe it IS a 12 o'clock release, relatively speaking? ...
[E=MC something something...I don't know].
Good luck. Have Fun. Spare a tree.
Thanks for the video. Gave you a thumbs up. Didn't sub. Don't make it weird.
Lol no weirdness here, I’m glad you enjoyed video, thanks for comment, yes 10 is relative to target, good question :)
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Thks for your tutorial, it has helped me alot!
I can finally get spinn om ny disc, it goes superstraight using only the first step of in and out. I will start training just that part first, then move on to coiling and throw.
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Thanks for feedback much appreciated, thanks for subscribing! :) glad you got something from video
How far are you throwing?
Last week I hit my personal best, 473 prolly average mid 400’s
lol dang lot further then me mid 350ish here can’t get the 400s lol
@@tylerorange6856 it took me so long to get past 400, but once it happened it all started coming together, lots of practice and watching film, have you filmed yourself?
No I haven’t I need to i have a net just always working lol
@@tylerorange6856 once I filmed myself it help so much, best thing I did in trying to help my form.
There isnt a release point on drives. It rips out.
Even if you don’t release disc it’s better to extend slightly out at end
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Bro how new are you? Literally lots of form videos say this. I can remember one with Drew Gibson right now where he says, "here's what the arm would look like if they're was no rotation in the body. And he goes in and out.
This is not a revelation
Good drill, but this has definitely been talked about by others, aka wide rail.
Ok, I’ve seen similar stuff, I’ll check out wide rail
I haven’t seen the reach out straight in front of yourself
how about "8 in - out to 10" since you're really not going back to 10 😀
Lol I thought of that once I posted it, but I guess because I was going back to ten during demonstration I kept saying it LOL 😂 haha
That’s funny
Man so many negative comments. I thought this was cool
I appreciate it, the negative is what it is, it helped me get more spin on disc and wanted to share it. If it helps people that’s great
@@DiscManiac28 agree, not like you told people this is the only way, you said it helped you. Subscribed!
@@joem8496 dude, love it, I try to only mention things that have helped me out and keep it simple. I enjoy making videos and if I can help people along the way why not share what I have learned after 12 years of disc golf
A lot of yacking here but nothing specifically about how to get more spin on the disc.
Umm nah 😂
Thanks but I’ll stick to what people “are” talking about.
Because it’s worked for pros and trainers for decades.
Another thing i dont hear people discussing is the “release” you shouldn’t actually release the disc. It should rip out of your grip. Thats where all the true speed and spin comes from. I call the “release” point or “hit point” the “pinch point”. I started making a conscious effort to pinch and hold a fairly firm grip. Now I understand why taped fingers are a thing. Hope this helps.
It really should be called the point at which the disc leaves your hand.
Man y'all must have just started. This is common knowledge. Many form videos tell you not to let go and let the disc pull out. You're not a genius. You're not on top a secret. This is common knowledge.
@@DiscManiac28no it should be called what it is, disc pivot.