Why Do Folks Struggle to Get Distance with Drivers in Disc Golf?? | Beginner Tips and Tutorials
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- čas přidán 19. 05. 2024
- LOTS of players are looking to increase their distance, and there a few ways of going about it. You can try to correct your form, you can choose different discs, or you can do nothing and just hope it comes to you one day? No matter your method, I have heard lots of stories of folks who struggle to find those distance gains translating from putter distance to driver distance. I think there are a few key factors or mistakes folks are making that are causing this limitation. What are they?? You'll have to watch to find out!!
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
0:38 Setting the Table
1:55 Nose Angle
5:28 Power Issues
8:48 Concept 3
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Every “bladed rim” that touches my 59-year old hand from 5-speed and up goes exactly the same distance for me (less than 300 feet). The higher the speed, the more I try to muscle it and get the exact same distance. Maybe this “confession” on your channel will help me finally change. Haha. Thanks so much Robbie for your kind, relatable, and encouraging way of teaching.
Doubt you will see this message but I'm going to try anyways. I started playing disc golf about a year and a half ago. The majority of my lessons have come from this channel. When I started, I struggled to throw 150' now I average over 400 with several throws reaching 500'. All of the advise you have given for free to everyone is so helpful. Thank you for all you do for the community.
If you comment in the first few hours of his videos you can usually get a response.
Congrats on reaching 400 bro!! I’m getting real close to 400 finally. At the beginning of summer I considered 300’ a pretty good drive for me, and now, when I throw 300ish I’m a little bummed about it. 330-350 is my current average just a few months later and I am maxing at about 380
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That's amazing! You'll hit 400' before you know it. Now I really need to focus on Robby C's putting videos lol. I've discovered that distance doesn't mean anything if you can't make a 10' put. 😄😄😄😄
@@andrewwhite5521 same dude, once I get to 15ft it’s a hope and a prayer
As someone who wholeheartedly hates throwing distance drivers, this makes a ton of sense that we subconsciously are trying to do more. Something else to look at for me!
I agree wholeheartedly with that statement. I am always throwing them as hard as I can, and it doesn’t seem to make them go any further.
Audio is way more important than video quality. A lot of people seem to miss this. They want the best of the best 4k crisp and clear shots but they just use the built in audio. As a film maker I’ve spent more on audio and different kinds than worrying about video. I do have something that can shoot 4k but I rarely do because the file sizes are insane even when I have a few 128gb sd cards.
I am looking for good microphones. Do you have any suggestions? I was hoping Robbie would tell us what he uses but no such luck. Would you happen to know which microphone he has?
Y'all hating way too much. If everyone in the comments are experts, then why are you watching 'Beginner' videos in the first place?
I think he makes some great points. I'm still pretty new to the sport but at least for me it's a combination of these things. I throw harder and try to muscle the disc more for when throwing drivers which then also leads to nose up and obviously less distance.
I totally agree with trying to muscle every driver. I was just thinking about this recently and how I should go to the field and throw all my drivers smooth.
I'm 100% in the group that tries to throw harder with drivers. Been filming myself in slow-mo for a few weeks now, and the biggest thing I struggle with is collapsing the power pocket, losing that 90° angle between my shoulder and upper arm, because I'm trying too hard to throw instead of just keeping my swing smooth.
Most people are not doing athletic movements nor getting a whip motion from the wrist. Angle this angle that... blah blah.. Check out slingshot disc golf. Athletics are universal. At Some point in the past the out of shape 30+ year old beer gut cigarette smoking uncle made up the rules for throwing a disc golf disc and due to institutional inbreeding it has spread and held back good athletes for a solid two decades. Sports are sports are sports. The gatekeeping is over and athletes are taking over as it should have been 20 years ago.
You nailed it. Even for ball golf i find if slow down with my shots with distance drivers to focus on a good release it goes way better
I live in a weird land of being really comfortable with throwing putters and drivers. Yet mids I'm much less confident. But this video still speaks well to this coming from the mental side of the game. The depth of them gets me off a little. Then I over-worry about my grip, then try to focus on things I don't when throwing other discs, getting poor results.
throw with good power but with more height than drivers
I've been playing for 20+ years but switched to lefty after an injury (healed now) and realized the incredible advantage to playing ambi. I rarely use a forehand anymore outside scrambling, which was my primary shot for a decade.
That's partially due to my injury being pitching related, but I'm healed now and throw FH and BH the same distance.
I switched from lefty to righty after a shoulder injury. I never went back but randomly being able to whip out a little lefty putt or approach has been quite useful. I just discovered that turns out despite being lefthanded I do pretty much all sports related things right handed (no idea why I didn't think about that when I first picked up a disc) and my righty forehand is probably my biggest strength.
I noticed this exact thing the other day in the field. I haven’t ever really tried to throw full power putters or mids and when I did I was getting good snap and pretty good distance. Then I tried some drivers after those throws and it only went like 50 feet farther lol So I consciously decided to throw some 6-10 speeds just like I would a putter and got close to 400ft with a 9 speed (Axiom Insanity) It felt like I barley threw it and it just kept going. Turns out “smooth is far.” Take notes from the 3 step walk up throwers that can crush. i.e- Corey Ellis and Matty-O
I agree. If I slow down and get my timing correct I can throw 400+. If I rush the shot I tend to get my upper body ahead of the lower.
Always a good topic to come back to. Thanks for the post!
I started disc golf backwards, gravitating towards the feeling of drivers over putters/mids. Can confirm, was always trying to do more than necessary lol. Smooth is far, folks
Thanks for your helpful, no nonsense tips Robbie. Hope to play a disc golf round with you sometime. I’m 59 and been playing for 3 years. Your channel has been great.
Love your channel Robbie! Thankyou for your information
great advice bro, always offering gems!!!
Oh man Robbie, thank you SO much for this! Totally nailed it! I needed to hear ALL of this. Keep these great videos coming, I appreciate what you do.
As always…great video!!! Thank you sir
Dude.. I needed to hear this. Thank you!
I swear Robbie always seems to come out with these videos right when I’m struggling with that part of my game. Love the videos! Been watching since I started playing a little over a year ago and they’ve helped so much.
Same on the timing part.
I'm not sure if you're asking all Trevors in general haha but I'm having a pretty good one! Hope you and the rest of the birdie fam are too!
might be the best educational vid so far 👍
I never knew that I am also a driver rage victim. This makes so much sense.
Thanks for the video as always Robbie, and love the sharingan dye on whatever disc that was! You doing anymore dye videos?! Would love to see you tackle some more.
For me changing from powergrip to fangrip changed everything. I need to be smooth because there is less fingers keeping the disc in place. I feel I get way more spin because front loaded grip. I feel like my nose angle and release is so much better. It just changed everything. Never used powergrip since.
Me too, keeping a consistent angle with a "power" grip is really difficult for me. The fan grip only reduces your spin rate if you're not front loading.
Robbie, your the man! You have definitely helped me keep calm and throw on!! Awesome advice and always great vids!
Your audio is so 👍😊 I appreciate that because I'm usually listening and not watching. You help me with the theory so much
As I have been working on my form I have been using putters and mids more when playing. I rarely throw my drivers further which I attributed to just not using them as much. This video makes total sense because I definitely feel like I need to throw them hard which is probably my problem with them lol. Thanks, great tip that I needed to hear
throw it harder to yeet it farther is the most relatable shit and i actually threw some of my best drives today after putting the brakes on thanks boss
Consistency is key. A big thing is playing enough really helps things out. I get better and consistent feel good then take too much time off and back to inconsistent throws and observe powering tee shots.
Play beach volleyball as well, & I'm loving the combination of these two!!! It helps so much with the flexiablity for both, setting is all about the wrist flex so I feel I already improved on both with that!!! Gotten the hang of a few fairway drivers so far but not consistent yet.
I am having a good one Robbie, thanks for asking!
Excellent advice
Thanks Robbie!
Wow! I watched this video a few hours after a very disappointing round. I too am guilty of trying to "crush it" with drivers. Immediately after the video, I went to my back yard and threw 7, 8 and 9 speed drivers as I would my midrange, but with a runup. All three flew at least 30 feet farther than I have ever thrown anything before. Thank you for pinpointing this simple to overcome problem! You've given me new hope!
Can you do a video on how to throw nose down AND higher in the air?
i have definitely gone more and more to a slower disc for 'distance' shots just because it is so much easier to control and feels more comfortable in my hand. of course i just yeeted my go-to disc into a creek at doubles this week, so it's back to the drawing board for me. RIP Crave; you were a real one.
Absolutely love that purple driver, where did you get it?
As a guy that does struggle w/ drivers at times, I’ll say the TSA Construct has completely changed my driving game. I’m so confident in that disc now on RHFH & RHBH it has quickly become my go to disc off the tee box for many holes.
When NONE of my disc goes over 300 feet, I find that I throw hard with most of my discs... but, throwing slower with my approach discs feels very comfortable and they come off very well. I will try your exercise because it makes so much sense!
Im actually backwards on that lol. I feel great throwing distance drivers/fairway drivers and kind of struggle with my mids and especially with my putters lol. When i try to slow it down to go "smoother", my timing gets way off and I either throw it super short of where i wanted to or sail it 75-100 feet past. I get what you're saying though and it makes sense. Thanks Robbie 😁.
Great vid Robbie already seeing big gains in 2024!
Thank you!
Awesome video!
Recently discovered the passion and found also it was much easier for me to throw that 350-370 consistently vs I could faster distance drivers that far once in awhile.
I have been trying to slow down my approach for a while now. When I go for distance I think I slow down but really don't. I have to try and feel almost like it's slow motion. It feels so strange but I'll keep going and see what happens.
Yes!
Robbie you must be doing something right. I love reading your haters comments. It keeps that Al Gore rhythm up for you. Good job sir.
😂 RC my name aint no Trevor... but dude... I am doing GREAT!!! Love your channel! 🤩🖖👍
Perfect timing on this one for me. I recently got a glitch and discovered I can throw it as far as my drivers 😅😅😅
2:20: Even in descent, airplane wings fly with a positive angle of attack, not a negative angle of attack (certain aerobatic maneuvers excluded).
I really like the way you approach disc golf and the way you practice. But I’m still waiting so if you ask how Jacob is doing. Lol
This is good. I'm going try it out by alternating between putters and drivers.
I already believe that timing is affected by how fast I am trying to throw. In other words getting the timing right is easier at slow seed but as I ramp up my throwing speed, correct timing becomes more difficult to achieve.
But, there is an overriding factor.
The faster the disc is traveling when it leaves the hand and the faster it is spinning, the farther it is going to fly.
There is a physical limitation to how far each person can throw a disc.
Example. There's a pro that plays my course sometimes and a few times we play together. He suggested a form change which I tried out. I threw my disc as hard as I could and it flew fairly well. His comment was "see there, you didn't put very much effort in to it and it went a long way."
The thing that videos have taught me is that I throw a lot slower than what I think I am throwing.
I have measured my release velocity to be only about 45-50mph. And this, I believe, is what is causing my short drives.
My question is how can I increase my release velocity to 55mph??
I know the male pros are throwing between 65-80mph but I would be happy with just 55mph.
Definitely in the faster, harder with the driver group, especially distance drivers and not getting the shoulder compression creating lag.
I friggin love that rinnegan dye
To slow my roll, I've been telling myself that I don't have to throw to the hole... Just halfway, because the disc glides the other half. I've been throwing too hard all these years. Doh!
I struggle to get distance without a driver. Once upon a time I could throw a mid about 280-310ft but now that's a lot more like 250ft unless I use a form that really hurts my distance with drivers and throws me off the rest of the round.
I'm definitely not willing to sacrifice my drivers for a touch more distance on mids. That being said my mids are way more likely to get turfed than my drivers. So I probably need to practice more mids. My putters are personally only for putting form stokes (most of the time).
CZcams-man, what do you think about throwing beginner friendly drivers/understable drivers to "fix" concept 2? Like throwing a Diamond, that are really flippy but still is a driver and feels like a driver in the hand. But you need to be super smooth and "slow" to not overpower them.
definitely a solid idea to get that driver hand feel. I love the super understable/touchy discs, because that low power finesse shot they ask for comes up quite often in scrambling!
Understable discs are the exception to the rule. A very understable driver (like a 155g Diamond) has the stability requirement of a slower disc.
Therefore the arm speed to maximize the potential of that disc is closer to the arm speed required to throw a 7-9 speed.
That wil vastly improve your game, as you will learn to throw angles before relying on specific discs.
Different CZcams man here. Using an extra flippy driver to compensate for a slower arm speed isn't unheard of. But you'll never achieve the disc's full flight. An understable disc like the diamond wants to be crushed on some significant hyzer angle, giving it enough space to flip up, turn, and eventually fade back a bit. If you just throwing it slower, youre just removing thay initial turn from the flight and removing distance.
Standing on a tee pad with my driver is the most angst ridden moment of my life. Literally makes me want to quit the sport. I play 4-6 rounds a week, almost always shoot under par, yet I can go a whole weekend without one shot feeling comfortable out of my hand. Wide rim discs? Forget it. I wish I was like most disc golfers out there who are perfectly happy to chuck it from hole to hole. This game literally saps my will to live.
My knee jerk response to "Why?" is because a LOT of drivers are inconsistent crap.
I'm having a great day just got off work and I'm going to practice throw
Many people struggle to improve because they're too busy posting both grammatically incorrect and hateful comments on helpful tips videos to analyze and self-reflect. You hate to see it.
dg spin doctor gets an insane amount of hate for some reason I can't even begin to understand
@@1andonlyMirodoes he? I like his videos. That’s a shame.
Lmao 😂
@@1andonlyMirohe’s my favorite. Helped me so much
Some are bad advice….
Need to be vetted
But your worried about spelling not disc golf
How you doing Robbie? You OK?
I love that rinnegan stamped driver! Didn’t know you were into naruto
I prefer the feel of a driver but you’re right I do throw putters and my new mid range the farthest
Great content but I would love for you to make a video of having to throw over trees that are 200 plus feet away. I can't ever seem to throw over trees without having the nose up on a disc. What can I do to solve this? Please help.
How are you doing today Robbie? A suggestion for those who don't have video editing experience: go one step further with the video instructions and actually show how you edit on a basic program.
What is a person's arm speed potential? There's a difference between 62 and 63 MPH in what disc you can flip up to flat. Most of us mortals can never get an 11, 12, or higher speed disc to flip up to flat so they are constantly diving left into the ground. Find the appropriate disc speed for your 90% power arm speed that you can slight hyzer flip to slight turn and you find your bomber. Now, you can find a 14 speed with enough turn like a -2 (shryke) to get it to flip to flat but it's too difficult to control. It's a "spray and pray". The extra 40 feet you get in a 1 out of 10 throws isn't worth the OB and fairway misses on the other 9 throws. A disc with 5 glide, -1 turn and 2 fade that you can slight hyzer flip to a hint of turn in no wind is where you'll find your PRECISION BOMBER. Disc up to a -1,3 or a 0,2 for windy conditions, 0,3 for direct headwind. Train yourself to never throw more than 90% of your power, that extra 10% has the same odds as scratch-off tickets.
I am a forehand dominant distance driver. And I'm trying to throw back hand better. I can throw a warship mid-range about 340 ft backhand. And the farthest I can throw distance drivers backhand is about 250 and forehand I can throw over 420 ft
I’m trying to throw lighter weights smoother. Helping tons.
What if I feel the opposite? I feel most comfortable with 9 and 11 speeds off the tee, but put a midrange in my hand on the tee pad and I will often put it into the turf.
Where did you get that sharingan driver?? That looks amazing!!!
Dyed it myself!!
@@RobbieCDiscgolf You've inspired me lol. Thank you!
Hey Mr C. Are you still working on those 50k hex? My wall is lonely. 😂
Had to relisten to it at 2:23, but you did say "...plane on a wing..."
Hey Robbie, I became a Patreon like a month ago and can't seem to get accepted into the Facebook group or anything else. Have I missed anything? Thanks for the video!
Yep. Like.
0:24 i'm doing great thanks mr youtube man
There's a law of diminishing returns throwing drivers for beginners, novice, and lower-level recreational disc golfers, in terms of speed. It's best for us to stick to 6-7 speed drivers (many 8 and some 9 speed drivers have smaller rims but are very aerodynamic). The higher speed drivers are tempting, but often give us too little distance, and disproportionately less control.
i learned a thing a long time ago with nose angle. If you throw a hyzer flip, it puts the nose down for you during its turn. I feel like that is true, but maybe it is a myth? I can tell for sure when i hyzer flip if the nose was up becaause it doesn't really flatten out.
I have been playing for 3 weeks. I am having fun, but want to improve. I don't have anyone I am playing with or anyone who can give me pointers. I have been watching your videos and am finding them helpful. Do you have any advice for an absolute beginner? Any specific videos you can point me to so I develop good form and good habits?
Rocking a black eye.
what mic do you have
I noticed my form on camera got better when I threw a DX Eagle compared to faster dsks
At 58 and only been disc golfing for 9 months, I don't understand why I can get over 300 with my 11,5,-3,1 driver (I don't know what type it is due to it being a tourney branded disc...2020 Oklahoma, maybe someone might know what type) and hardly get 290 with anything slower like with my 10 speed Flow, or 9 speed Hatchet or Roadrunner.
Throw them farther, yeet the harder! 😂
4:09 RIP AJ Mangekyou Sharingan Destroyer :(
Airplane wings generally have positive angles of incidence, not negative
Same here…
Im the opposite. I feel like my driving is fine, but my putting is terrible. Ive tried and tried to figure out ehat im doing wrong on putting,but its an annoying process.
*Credo signature*
Yeet? I didn't even know I could yeet...
So what you're saying is I need to buy more disc to throw farther? Alright Robbie I'll continue buying disc until I can throw 400' 😊
I dont think ill ever get asked how my day is going being named Ozzy 😢. I definitely notice trying to throw harder with Drivers. I think its cause i want to see those pro style s-lines but i still havent came to terms that im not that guy.
Just like Dr. Watkins says "Just Breathe Rhythmically at a Fixed Rate"
Breathe
Rhythmically
Evenly and
Through the
Heart
Every-day
"Being Brilliant Every Single Day Parts 1 & 2" TEDx Dr. Alan Watkins
I was just practicing everything you were talking about in this video today and it's so true. Another tip that helped me realize how to get more distance out of my drivers compared to my mids and putters was to choose a distance such as 200ft for example and try to throw my drivers to that distance with as little power and being as smooth as possible. Once I was getting there consistently I increased the distance and once again tried to throw my drivers to that distance using as little power and being as smooth possible and I was really surprised how little power was actually needed to reach those distances. Like you were talking about, I seen 9, 10, 11, 12 speed and just figured I needed to absolutely rip the disc as hard as possible every time but you really don't at all.
Most beginners should be throwing something akin to a Leopard, not a distance driver.
Without arm speed above 45mph, 90%+ distance drivers (unless
It’s the opposite for me, I suck with putters but drivers are my strong suit
I always try to throw my driver as hard as possible so I’m gonna go do form work in a feild