Unusual Kidnapping Reveals Shocking Mental Health History | Cleo Smith Case Update and Analysis
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- čas přidán 28. 08. 2024
- This video answers the question: Can I offer an update in the case of Cleo Smith?
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I am Australian and this case was all over the national news. I really though there would not be a happy ending. Usually, when a young female child is taken like this they are usually deceased within 24hrs. To be found alive and reasonable well after 18days was like a miracle. This is really a crime that shook an entire nation. I think tears fell all over Australia when we heard a little girl tell the police "my name is cleo"
She is still very much affected by the kidnapping. As her mum recently reported she still has nightmares and is a lot less independent. Hopefully time will heal her.
Aww how touching. A nation of imperialist Jeno ciders cried precious tears for someone. Never mind the untold millions they obliterate worldwide. Cry some more cupcake.
I agree, I feared the worst, and she will surely need support for some time to come. Bless her and her family into the further.🙏❤️🇦🇺
I never heard about this. Im Impressed to hear the country offered 1 million for her. I don't think that has happened in the United States
We were all scared as f
Yes, although we are grateful that Cleo survived the ordeal, it does society a disservice to imply that means Terrance “deserves” a lighter sentence. She was RESCUED, he didn’t turn himself in.
THIS. he took steps not to be discovered and obviously wasn't completely disorganised nor was he a non-functional disabled traumatised human. and Cleo's family doesn't live in an area with a great number of child trauma psychologists, there will be major barriers to her getting appropriate help nearby and affordably. it's likely that in 11 years, she will still be in therapy as being a teenage survivor comes with it's own new set of challenges.
@@gthktty666 💝💝
@@KatherineLaura6564 &@athkitty666, we live in a fallen world, most of us are marred by it. I’ve heard of counselors who have transformed children who were heading into psychopathy & sociopathy, but many aren’t that wise.
Terrence’s life is a tragedy, and yet he has the same potential to seek the Creator who is able to restore and heal as we all do. The bottom line is , do we want to send a message that it’s ok to do harm to others if someone has harmed you? Does Terrance seem likely to do it again, or worse?
@@KatherineLaura6564 The crimes you commit matter more than your past. It is very sad what a bad childhood he had but we don't want kidnappers running around free.
@@KatherineLaura6564 a god? No. The One Creator/source? Yes. But the individual usually must have a desire/hunger to know Him. Our society becomes more deranged the further people remove themselves from the knowledge of God. God is. Agape Love, All in All. He does and has healed and transformed those who seek Him.
Recovering Cleo alive and comparatively unharmed was such a relief. I think the world really latched on because it was such an awful prospect, but her being safely returned to her family was cathartic.
Not so. Recent update says that Cleo is deeply traumatised, along with her family. Cleo is showing behaviour and fear as a result of her ordeal. Little has been said if her experiences, but she was tied to a chair and locked in a room. The man has been sentenced and this detail came out. Cleo will be dealing with this trauma her whole life. Please don't make assumptions.
@@pamharrison8348 you tell EsteemedMortal not to make assumptions and then go right ahead and make assumptions.
@@pamharrison8348 COMPARATIVELY unharmed, ie not dead. I don’t think anyone’s assuming she wouldn’t be traumatised.
I am sure that there are and will be negative repercussions for the child and her family but she truly beat the odds by being rescued alive. Thanks for that. Hats off to the police officers that made that happen.
@@pamharrison8348 Literally nobody assumed any of those things.
I’m terribly sorry Terrance had such a horrific upbringing but he is a very dangerous man. The probability that he would reoffend cannot be left to chance. And Cleo will be more amenable to therapy if she knows he’s away and can’t harm her
The most sane comment in this thread Wendi. No one knows and it cant be left to chance.
100%
I think you´re right. Atthe sam time, I hope that Terrance gets help . He needs to be protected from himself as much as others need to be protected from him.
Australian courts are silly and he will probably get that parole.
Yeah, I feel bad because he seems like he was messed up as a kid and is mentally ill. But anybody who looks up Albert Fish can see that that's what happened to that guy too. He had a bad childhood and was mentally ill.
People who kidnap kids can't be free
She sounds like a strong girl. She was bossy with him and demanded chocolate. I hope she recovers from her nightmares. .
And she got roughed up for it too😂😂😂
@@reecewarren3103why is that funny
@XYZ-kb3mm why is it not. She got some discipline
This story had rolling coverage accross Australia. I was in the shopping centre when the news broke she was found alive and complete strangers were cheering and hugging eachother.
*EACH OTHER
That’s beautiful
*ACROSS
@@Flamsterette are you okay?
@@goodgolly4726 What kind of a question is that?
I remember this. The parents were given a hard time in the court of public opinion. Thank goodness Cleo was found, or it might not have gone well for them.
Definitely if the Azaria case is anything to go bu
@@esteemedmortal5917 that's the first thing I thought too, this is the first I've heard of this case.
It seems very common for people to point the finger. There was another abductor in Australia called Mr Cruel. he had been abducting young girls. The police and media called on the public to nominate a suspect and if they picked the right one they would get a huge reward. 27'000 men were named. Of these 73 were charged with an offence (not connected to the case) 73 in 27'000 works out to 1 man charged per 370 men named. (Mr Cruel has still not been caught.)
I feel like the whole nation of Australia blew a sigh of relief when Cleo was found alive and safe.
Which just goes to show the damage that the court of public opinion can do.
That's one of the craziest abduction cases ever. Terrance was basically adding one more doll to his collection. He should never be let out.
@@char524 Not necessarily. He might have to keep doing rehabilitation though
I’m in the “don’t let him out” camp. Here in the US, we recently had a mass killing of 4-5 teen girls by a “rehabilitated” pedophile. The only good news is he killed himself at the same time. I’m afraid there isn’t a way to turn off the “children as sex objects” switch. Just my opinion.
@@nmartin5551 What was the case?
It's scary, hey.
I guess he should be executed. Like the old days, right doc?
Thank you for this analysis! I live in Perth, Western Australia and this is the first time I've heard anything close to a real explanation for why this crime may have occurred.
Another masterpiece from Dr. Grande! Sadly, as a Behavioral Health Technician and a Special Education teacher I work with disturbed (ED; ODD, SMI) children daily...and have for 2 decades in residential group homes, schools, mental wards, and juvenile correctional facilities. My heart breaks at the irreplaceable psychological damage a neglectful and abusive childhood brings about. I have to struggle with my own emotions to remind me of my professional boundaries. All I can do is show kindness, compassion, and understanding so they will know that not all people are the same and yes, that they too, can be loved, appreciated, and respected. So grateful this little girl was found alive!! My wish is that correctional facilities would provide mental health services for inmates...althoughvI am not sure if this would decrease the rate of recidivism.
Mental health treatment has reduced recidivism in some countries.
Dr. G, you should show a map when you reference places like Perth. heck, the truly fortunate among us don't even know where New Jersey is.
😂😂😂😂
Her parents will probably never recover from the emotional damage as well.
Cleo would not have been found without the resourceful police work of WA authorities. They performed a stellar job!
Whole thing a set up.
Such a strange and sad case. I was amazed and so happy when Cleo was found alive since it's so rare in such abductions. Thanks for the update, Dr. Grande!
I'll always remember the moment I found out Cleo was found. I was just about to get i to my car and my now widow had his phone in his hand and said "you won't believe this, Cleo's been found, she's alive" I instantly broke down and just said "are you serious" I had so much hope during those weeks, I refused to give in to the idea that she was gone, everyone told me not to keep hoping, but the second she was found I just felt this huge sigh of relief, I'm so so grateful to everyone involved in finding her, well done WA and well done Aus.
I was so relieved that Cleo was alive, & I listened to the guy’s terribly sad upbringing.
But in the end, I agree with you now, as he knew it was wrong.
Still, I believe he needs hospitalization in a psych ward. I don’t think prisons provide that well.
For sure, he can’t be let loose. When? Ever? I don’t know but think it will happen.
In 1973 a little girl named Suzi Jaeger was camping with her family in Montana. She was taken from her tent that her family was also sleeping in. She was murdered. The killer cut open the tent and took her. It happens. Parents need to know that keeping your child away from the sides of the tent is a good idea.
I'm baffled by the "his motive was to have a daughter, not to harm her" argument. In Italy Luigi Chiatti "the Monster of Foligno" abducted two boys in different times, "to have a companion, a son", then he killed them in the very first moment they asked to go home and they cried. 20+ years later, in Potsdam and Berlin, Germany, Silvio S. abducted 2 boys as well, and did the same to them. Both perpetrators had their room full of baby clothes, toys and so on. Their fantasies were not innocent at all. Chiatti said "if you let me free I'll do it as soon as I can".
The comment about Bratz doll's proportions reminded me of an article I read in the 1970s. The Barbie doll was huge in the U.S., and the Mattel company wanted to expand into Japan. But Barbie was a big flop in Japan. When Mattel studied the failure, they discovered that Barbie, with her very large breasts, tiny waist, and super long legs, was considered a bit freakish by Japanese standards. Much more popular in Japan was Barbie's younger sister, Skipper, who is flat-chested and has a normal waist and legs. The issue of American dolls setting abnormal standards of beauty has been going on for 50 years lol.
This was such a disturbing case back then. I remember being on pins and needles until she was found. As bizarre as this case was it turned out the best that one could have hoped for. It was a terrible time for Cleo and her parents. Cleo was no doubt terrified of finding herself in the company of this man, and her parents dealt with the trauma of her missing for 18 long days, along with them being cast in suspicion. In saying that, the outcome was more than any of us could have hoped for.
Back then? Less than a year ago lol
@@lachlank.8270 That's still a long time
@@lachlank.8270 2021 is in our past isn't it? lol
The news that she was recovered was so amazing, her poor family, I can only imagine their feelings❤
@@πατριχορ A long time?
Poor little Chloe has nightmares as reported by her mother. I do hope she is getting the help she needs.
I'm Australian and have been waiting for you to cover this case. Thanks Dr Grande!
We appreciate Dr Grande's hard work and effort. God bless him.
Whether the kidnapper commits murder or just wants to have a thirty-year tea party, the effect is the same on the family. Had Kelly not been caught, they would've spent the rest of their lives thinking the worst. This guy deserves to be locked-away for a very long time.
In a more civilized society he would get capital punishment
That's true, but im thankful he didn't physically do bad things to this little girl like most kidnappers do
He abused her the family implied it in interviews
@@mattb6646. Are you an idiot. He did do bad things to this little girl, he kidnapped her, physically abused her, and locked her up in a bedroom all the time!
To @MyEnemy: I absolutely agree with you!
Dr. Grande, I couldn't help but chuckle over the friends and family discount. Thank God, little Cleo wasn't physically hurt, but she is going to need a lot of love, patience and support in her recovery 💖 I hadn't heard about this case before, thank you for covering it
What an unusual case. It is tragic the numbers of people in the so-called civilized world who have absolute failures as parents and, as a result, often grow up with a whole alphabet of psychiatric problems and often turn to a life of crime. As always, thank you for your calm and thoughtful analysis.
This would have never happened if White people didn’t steal these peoples land and try an “civilize them”
Many people with psychiatric problems don't commit crimes.
Dr Grande he's our man if he can't speculate what could be happening in a situation like this no one can
As grateful as I am that Cleo was found alive, I really hope he did not molest her.
The amount of defence and pity extended to a man who literally *stole a child* is really unsettling to a sane, rational, moral human being.
I’d argue the exact opposite. It shows humans have compassion, empathy and can use critical thought. Hurt people, hurt people as they say. You can be angry and disgusted at what someone has done but also have pity for them. That is far more emotionally intelligent than just wanting him to be thrown into the fire.
So, basically, Terrence was the whole DSM-5. I feel sorry that his childhood was so horrible, but he needs to stay locked up and never let out.
The terrible thing about jail is that it's not rehabilitative. He needs help but probably won't get it there
@@jaydub4661 There is a good chance in an Australian jail in WA he will.
You don’t feel sorry at all
@@woodliceworm4565 Yes, western Australian prisons are not too bad. Hopefully he will be put somewhere reasonably safe and looked after. He may even be happier in prison where he has social contact with staff and other inmates. Prison may prove to be a great benefit for him. When he is released is when he is likely to become lonely and socially isolated again.
@@JBplumbing12 He wouldn't be on my Christmas list, that's for sure. I hope he doesn't have support when he gets out. The girl deserves it far more.
Thankyou Dr Grande, I feel your analysis is spot on. Here in Perth Western Australia, no attempt has been made to explain his actions from the mental health side. Alcohol and drug abuse among indigenous communities is a big problem in Australia. Every child deserves to be loved and cared for and poor Terrance never had a chance of a normal happy life. I read he washed and fed Cleo well, even allowing her to stay up late. Even so he will need Mental health care for the rest of his life. I also wish the Smith family a happy life, and I hope they can forget the trauma one day.
I think the duration of the sentence is appropriate but Terrence was gravely failed by both his parents and the state. The state even knew about his problems since childhood but provided no means of accessing a healthy environment nor therapy.
His situation in custody is going to be even more cursed even if he is given access to self betterment facilities and therapy. He will still be alone, without anyone to love, instead surrounded by Men even more violent that him so will definitely come out much worse and with even less opportunity in life because he will be older.
If there was better services available to him in his youth, or better still for the generation of his parents and grandparents. This could have been avoided.
It's a miracle they found Cleo we were all fearing the worst! This is a great example of how a community and law enforcement banded together to find her.
Love the way Dr Grande pronounced Carnarvon. Its more like Kar-Nah-Von.
Cah-NAR-v’n.
@@IWillHaveThePastaThanks 💯
@@IWillHaveThePastaThanks Yea this..Dr Grande is usually spot on with his Aussie names....Brisbane and Melbourne for example
On a lighter note. Hearing Dr Grande mispronounce "Carnarvon", made me think about how we Australians pronounce it. Which led me to realise, it's a very good word to use for those wanting to practice their Australian accent.
We pronounce it a very quick and cropped 'can-NAH-vin'. So with the main emphasis on the middle syllable. Which in turn needs to be pushed out through the nose, but only after you've pushed enough air into your sinus cavity to get it resonating.
Practising 'can-NAH-vin' will, in turn, will help you master your 'NAH''s. 'NAH' is a very fundamental term in 'Aussie English', as it simply translates to 'no'. Which, in turn, will help you with your 'YEAH---NAH''s - which means "thank you, but 'no''.
You're welcome.
Am an Aussie too. Well done!!! 😂
People with such a severe mental illness do not belong in jail but in a mental institution.
Dope fiend isn't a mental illness. He's right where he belongs
@@chuckrobinson599
did you watch all of the video?
A mental Institution is the better place in this complex situation
@@ursodermatt8809 he definitely didn’t. Would have thought he’d realize addiction is a mental illness even before this vid too but hey
@@ursodermatt8809 absolutely did. Did you know that drug abuse messes up the weather in your brain, and can cause mental problems? I feel no sympathy for people who through their own bad acts, are suffering consequences for those acts. It's called adulting, you should give it a try.
11 and a half years until possible parole? Dude. Add a few decades to that, _at least_ ....Brave girl though. Glad to see she survived. Many don't.
More just would be like 3-5 years and then some heavy support on mental health
Custodial sentences in Australia often do not meet community expectations. We are too lenient here.
11 years is not long enough... Per head of population Austryalia ist he most isolated place in the world.. Cleo needs to know this has been taken seriously 😳
Lol, if you kidnap a 4 yo the world expects a serious deterrent! Look at the McCann case!!
This is of truly global and historic significance and books will be written arguing about exactly this: what kind of punishment is required to protect our kids?
How did they catch him??
Video???
This is the same nation that gave a 12mo suspended sentence to a child molester that plead guilty for multiple CSA offences
Being surrounded by Bratz dolls for a couple of weeks would give me trauma, too!
🤣
They were invented by a pedo after all.
Such a tragic case on so many levels. Terrance was a very disadvantaged man, but his obsession with dolls is very disturbing...his unmet need for a parent must have been the cause....I'm surprised he was self controlled enough to work a job.
He never had ANYONE.
What is disturbing is that he stole a child for his own needs. This guy doesn’t need sympathy. People have awful upbringings along with foetal alcohol syndrome and still do not cause such extensive trauma to another family. I don’t feel sorry for him.
@@Lisa-dh5nw same. People seem more sympathetic towards criminals than victims these days.
Maybe having a job is not a good way to judge how ethical someone actually is
@@Lisa-dh5nw
Just because some people who have been abused and unloved with fetal alcohol syndrome, don’t do this,
does not mean thats not the cause.
There are many factors that can make the mental illness worse or milder. So your comment is not reasonable. If the fetal alcoholism is throughout all three trimesters, or the abuse takes place when certain growth chemicals are acting on the brain, or there is brain damage to certain areas of the brain from blows to the head etc. ,it can cause much different results and effects n the mental illness.
You might as well say that because one person’s cancer grows at a certain rate, everyones cancer must therefore grow at that rate.
Of course he needs to be punished and put in jail but we can learn from what happened and perhaps do better with social services.
Beautiful analysis and empathetic to all sides. Thank you.
Those aren't necessarily actions of someone motivated by knowledge what they're doing is wrong, but more just knowing if they're caught, they'll take the child away from her. He might have no moral agency at all, but still know outsiders if they detect what he's done would undo it and not want that to happen.
Thank goodness he didn't hurt little Cleo!
Thanks for your videos, Dr. Grande! Your videos are always so interesting 💯
So many horrid cases can be traced to a meth head or a drunk.
This comment should be at the top
If you aren't mentally unstable meth will get you there... And the effects on your sanity can persist.
True. I wished there were strict mental and drug related rehabs instead of jail sentences.. jail wont help and he will be out some day.. But.. as someone who has adhd.. a form of meth is part of the treatment. I couldnt pass a drugtest due to this medication and i dont do drugs
Anyone found to be drunk driving should have their license permanently revoked. It's disgusting how many second chances are given to people who are this incredibly selfish.
Meth took over from all the old school drugs like lightning and it's so friggin' boring... When the coppers said in a community announcement back in the day it was A TOTAL LOSERS DRUG they were spot on..
Imagine taking meth out in Canarvon lol: be more boring than taking it in Mandurah?
Oh man those Bratz dolls were so problematic for me when my kid was little. I had to bow to the inevitable because people would give them as gifts, but those dolls were very creepy and I always felt guilty for letting her keep them.
Be so fr 😒😑
That poor young man had the cards stacked against him before birth. I am so glad Cleo was found alive! Thank you Dr. Grande for this fascinating video!
Having a horrible childhood does not excuse a person to harm another, let alone a child.
Upon his release from prison, the government should seek commitment to a mental institution until such time as three independent doctors declare that Terence is no longer a danger to others. Yes, I have empathy for him; but I have more for his past and future victims.
I disagree. He should receive mental help immediately. Spending years in prison is not going to help him in any way.
@@zeriousvolt1245 I'd agree to that, also; as long as he isn't free to bring harm to more people.
That is not how incarceration should work
I can’t imagine the mental turmoil Terrence goes through on a daily basis, and for that I empathize. But you can’t just go around snatching little girls, so he needs to be put away for some time & then be monitored for life. I’m so glad he didn’t touch her (as far as we know?). Poor Cleo.
I was so happy when Cleo was found i cried. Honestly i wasn't expecting such a "good" outcome. Another great analysis. Thank you for educating us. ❤
It was such an emotional time for Australia. When I heard the news in the radio that she was found alive , I cried also
@@wodongacitizen9624 i am from Portugal but i got to know the case because of Peter Hyatt and his statment analysis (he rightfully pointed that he parents were truthfull and not involved in her desapearence). Everyday i was cheking the news hoping she had been found. And then when i was loosing hope they found her. Even today i get emotional remembering it! Such a happy moment! ❤️❤️❤️
I think like many people, when I heard Cleo was found I cried 😢 with relief that she was alive and her mother and step father would be reunited with her. 🙏 But I'm so angry that this monster was not sentenced harsher. He is clearly a danger to society especially innocent children.
I doubt that he's a monster. Read the entire story of his background.
We should not sentence people according to emotional impulses, though. A rational society would aim to set the sentence to a level that fosters both rehabilitation and keeping people safe. I doubt adding more years to his sentence would serve either goal nearly as well as focusing on his mental health.
@@eden_aumakua Mental illness is not a "get out of jail free" card.
@@Flamsterette In Canada, there is a finding of “not criminally responsible due to mental disorder”. I’m sure most Western countries with similar legal traditions have equivalents.
@@mercury_rising I'm Canadian and I know that, but this guy should not have that applied to him. He knew what he was doing and caused emotional trauma for the girl.
Collecting stone unicorns? Almost as weird as collecting sculptures of cacti!
At least I'm grateful that the girl was returned home (this time). Thanks, as always, Dr. Grande!
I am in healthcare in that state. I think this is an excellent analysis; particularly interesting take with regards to culpability.
Yes, it is.
Thank you for covering another Australian story.
You have done a wonderful job enlightening viewers of what happened and the outcome. Your evaluation, explanation, and opinion presented was so much better than any news report! Great job!
Always look forward to the Australian cases.
Wow, what a blessing that the victim was found safely!! 😳 As tragic as his childhood and upbringing was, Terrance is exactly where he belongs 💯 Let's hope he stays there 🔐 🚨 Thanks for another great case, Doc 🏥 As Always, Much Love from WV 🤙 🏔️ 💙 💛
He actually has foetal alcohol spectrum disorder, intellectual disability, and multiple personality disorders. He has been abused in every way imaginable in his early years.
It is comforting to me that there doesn't appear to have been any motivation aside from this doll thing.
He will have an absolutely terrible time in jail.
I agree, the lack of a sexual motive makes this case different. As an Australian the description of his life is not a unique story unfortunately.
Good. He should have a terrible time in jail.
I hope he can have a couple dolls in prison! He clearly is mentally handicapped but I agree that he needs locked up. Prison is the right place for people for those who demonstrate that they can’t control impulses
People like Terrance might not know right from wrong, but they def know there’s a penalty for these actions.
Knowing right from wrong does not equal knowing there’s a penalty for something, and NOT knowing right from wrong makes it worse. Just look at how different the laws in different countries are pertaining to same behaviour. I don’t think you can blame a mentally ill person for what they do, since the ”apparatus” that distinguishes right from wrong doesn’t work for them. Prison is definitely not the right place for them. There are also a lot of arbitrary assumtions in the narrators opinions.
of course he knows right from wrong. He turned his phone out to not get caught when he stole from people's tents. He wouldn't have done that if he was this clueless victim.
@@zeriousvolt1245 He's a danger to children. People like you trying to justify what these people do, calling them victims and sending them back into society is almost as dangerous as the people who hurt them. There's no excuse in the world for justifying that.
He knew right from wrong. Shame on you.
The moment it is mentioned that help is needed for a criminal the words get twisted all to hell. A child knows right from wrong, but doesn't always understand the why. Does this mean punishment isn't warranted? Absolutely not. It means the child needs more guidance and understanding as to why the punishment is necessary. No one is saying Kelly doesn't deserve punishment. They are saying they feel he needs that extra guidance because he probably doesn't fully understand the why. Putting a criminal in an institution isn't omitting the punishment. It is still a punishment, but with actual guidance they wouldn't get in a prison cell.
@moderndaymedusa it depends on the criminal, the crime, and the institution. For some offenders it's actually beneficial for them to get caught and placed in a facility.
Plus, he's not a child, and clearly does know right from wrong.
Really disturbing case. I hope Cleo gets the help that she needs it.
Thank you for the review, Dr. Grande.❤
When i was around three, i was playing on the beach with my dad. My dad went inside to grab a beer and left me for around 5 minutes (i was a very smart kid and knew to stay where i was). A man came, picked me up and ran. My dad saw as he was coming back and chased him. Bystanders called the police. They eventually found me within an hour, the man was hiding with me in the woods by the beach. He was mentally slow/ill, and when they asked him why he took me he said because i looked like a pretty doll. This is chilling. I have no memory of the incident, thank goodness.
That was a fascinating psych analysis you did on his behavior.
Thank you, Dr. G!
My prayers for that baby girl 🙏🏻
I'm less concerned with what a culprit "deserves" and more concerned with the danger posed to society and the deterrent provided by a sentence.
If this has shocked anyone that this is happening in Australia, then don't be shocked when you learn about how many more Indigenous Australians are suffering from mental health issues which lead to excessive drug and alcohol use. Learning about what happened to people in your culture from 200 years ago when you've been living on a land for 60,000 years has to anger you in your childhood. I have many Aboriginal and Indigenous friends and they are very friendly and kind people and they are just humans like everyone else. In the case of Terrence Kelly, he was obviously very troubled and needed a lot of help, his wrongdoing of taking Cleo Smith has put him in the wrong for sure, so hopefully he can get the treatment he needs in a jail or elsewhere.
@@alpha1solace As I said, I know plenty of Indigenous people who are friendly and they have been able to become contributing members of Australian society whether it be through education or working. You may not see that and I know it may not feel that way, but there are people out there for whom it has helped. The majority of Indigenous Australians willingly wish to contribute to society, but also as I said, they face mental health issues which leads to alcohol and drug abuse.
Great analysis for trending topics.
Thank you dr.Grande 👌
The issue is that someone can be a danger specifically because of the very mental illness which reduces their perceived culpability.
If we agree with his lawyer, then what?? Do we send him back home - with staff, or alone? Do we put him in an LRA? A psych hospital? How do we acknowledge this isn’t his fault while also protecting other Chloes who come into contact with him?
Lolz…friends and family discount! You crack me up!!!😂😂😂
0:09 the dramatic touch to "speculating"
Thanks, Dr. Grande, i had forgotten all about this odd, disturbing case.
I always thought bratz were a bad influence. They’re so over sexualized and in bad taste.
Hi Dr. Grande thank you for covering a local case.😊 the town is pronounced Can-ar (as in aardvark)-von . Western Australians drop the o and is famous for its bananas! I think I would be cool is you could cover the sociology of indigenous remote communities having a higher rate of police brutality family and alcohol abuse while lacking basic public services or government support. These communities have many parallels with the indigenous reservations of America. It would add context to the crime commited being attributed to systematic neglect
"Child stealing?"
Yes as if kids are things …”stealing “….
love your🌵collection, Dr. Grande
We need to keep an eye on that
I have to say, the way you present the story with that calm tone of voice is relaxing and helps me focus better on the events without feeling rushed or stressed. Your calm approach feels soothing almost.👌🏻 Great job on the research, analysis and in the way you tell it!👍🏻
Damn, this kinda sad. I'm glad he didn't abused her.
As an Australian seeing this case on your channel is quite amazing you do not know how big it was at the time.
Im so tired of this notion that being mentally ill somehow makes you less culpable or less of a danger to society. Its tragic that there are so many parents out there that destroy their children by their own bad behavior, but even if not guilty by reason of insanity, it doesnt mean that that person is any less of a danger, and doesnt mean that they should be allowed to live amongst society. Being mentally ill is sad, and I have empathy for those people, but its not an excuse for committing horrible crimes.
I couldn’t care less what he went through when he was a kid, or how “disadvantaged” he is. He knew what he did was wrong while he was doing it, period. Lock his sick ass up, he dangerous.
This is literally a Powerpuff girl episode called "the collector"
That poor baby went through some sht that i know. I pray for her and a complete recovery and hope she gets all the help she can because she is gonna have trauma. Shes alive and that is a miracle. much respect to the police and officials that continued to search for this girl non stop even after it looked to them that she might not be found alive. thank you for your hard work and determination. 🙏🙏🙏❤️❤️❤️.
Being a brat and demanding chocolate from her kidnapper- that's one tough cookie!
Budding white supremacist.
By all accounts this girl should not have been retrieved alive. I'm so surprised and grateful she was. I hope that she overcomes the trauma from her ordeal, and thrives as a healthy adult. Many blessings to her and her family.
Good analysis Dr Grande!😃👍👍♥️
Thank you for the upload, Dr. Grande. Enjoy your weekend. Wait, eligible for parole in 11 years? That's not right. Plenty of people with mental illnesses don't kidnap children in the middle of the night.
He did it once though. It wasn't a whole string of children. Some people also deserve a second chance. Keep life sentences for murderers.
@@Blackheathenly Having a Bratz doll obsession is one thing, but you're willing to let people have one free kidnapping before you punish them? What would you say if it happened to a child you know?
They should keep him in prison, he's going to get out and committ more crimes even murder.
Terrance is probably the only child kidnapper I can somewhat sympathize with (though yes, I do believe prison time is warranted, you can’t just let this go). He clearly had some pretty bad mental health issues and mental illness is no joke. I hope he gets the help he needs so this doesn’t happen again and I hope that Cleo doesn’t suffer any long term mental health effects. Sad story on all counts.
There is no excuse for kidnapping. Period. Lock that animal up. 💯😎✌🏼
@@daveatkins3568 Agree; (usually) no excuses. But there can be reasons - and I think these have to be considered in this case.
@@IWillHaveThePastaThanks There are reasons why trump acted the way he did but still; Lock him up.
He was of low intelligence and damaged personality, and driven by loneliness, social dislocation, and the fantasy of having a family.
He watched the many happy families coming to camp in his area and wished he could be one of them.
He also had enough nouse to know he was doing wrong but his desire and impulse was stronger than his intelligence.
Also given he is indigenous there are probably priority places and dedicated organisations and programs for them available through the health or hospital system. He definitely should have, and could have got help but didn't.
How can he receive a light sentence? Would anyone advocating that want him to live next door to them? Cleo has a lifetime sentence.
I lived in Carnarvon for a time, and there is a lot of dysfunction in the indigenous community, violence, neglect, theft…
This is a nightmare situation, yet it was an incredible relief to learn she was unharmed.
Thank you for the update Dr. Grande! 😊
I think in Common Law jurisdictions, giving reduced sentences is usual as a way of recognizing mitigating circumstances (as opposed to their excusing the crime, which might happen in Civil Law jurisdictions). The extent to which the perpetrator has been himself a victim is one mitigation and the extent to which the perpetrator showed relative restraint in the crime would be another. In this sense, Terrence fits into a pattern where mitigating circumstances would be in his favor: he had a very unjust childhood that could easily lead to antisocial behavior and he had treated his victim remarkably better than usual. Would we want these factors to not be recognized? That seems like a lack of mercy.
great analysis Dr Grande..
thank you ... from Australia.. 🕷
I remember this case too. He was so strange & scary esp w/the🎎 dolls😬Glad it turned out better then it could have. Good analysis again. Thanks Dr G😊💖💖
Wow…incredible police work in this case! Kudos to them for a job well done, with the best possible outcome.
I've never gone from contempt to feeling sorry for a criminal this much and this fast before.
Really tho lol, I was thinking well.. that escalated quickly
I hope he gets the structure and direction in prison that was lacking in his childhood. I feel badly that he has to be there, but that is really the only way that society is safe from whatever he might have done next.
Compassionate, insightful and sensible. I hope he is getting the help he needs and that he responds. We were so elated when she was found. Hoping she and her family heal well.
Thank you. The plight of many Indigenous Australians is tragic. His crime cannot be minimalised. However the story you portray of his life, even before being born is a sad one and a lufe tgat otgers gave also lived. The disintegration of the indigenous culture, family structures and position in Society is so tragic. Australia as a Govt and people do not know how to address the situation. There is great prejudice against Aboroginal people, and especially in Western Australia and Queensland and The Northern Tertitory. What hope do these people have? But a crime was committed and punishment imposed. To see the footage if tge police gonding her, and her answering " l'm Cleo", chokes me up everytime. I feel dispair at the lives many Indigenous people lead, growing up from childhood. At the same time many are working hard in their communities to improve people's lives, but how to change the teauma and neglect etc is an unanswered question.
Yet here you are, minimizing his crimes.
No, a person's race, an their personal failures, are not a reason to excuse their crimes.
Regardless of how you may have been conditioned to see them.
M Jenny l dont know if you are Australian, or understand the effects of childhood trauma, or even understand what circumstances this man grew up in. He was born with brain damage due to his mother's alcohol abuse. His crimes were horrendous. But try as you might, you cannot erase what his life was like.
Very informative, and interesting
@Dr Grande can you analyze Bronies (adult men who are fanatic about my little ponies)?
Nonces.