The guitar riffage is reminiscent of 'Funtime' off The Idiot, and the synth reminds me of 'Warzawa' and other Berlin-period songs. So cool that Bowie was itching towards that stuff for years before actually delving into it.
Bowie was always on the cutting edge of trends including synths. Maybe not in a flamboyant way at the time as say Todd Rundgren and Utopia, Brian Eno, Kraftwerk, Tangerine Dream, etc. ..but he was incorporating them into his music early on. Obviously he eventual embraced them in a unique way with Brian Eno in the Berlin trilogy that resulted in a cold, dark Euro ambience infused with a plastic soul/funk that was a truly original sound and held up well over the passage of time. 'LOW' is as fresh today as it was when it was released in 1977!
Now that you mention it, I do hear some of the vibrant FUNTIME style riffs and synths in here ( 0:40 - 1:00 most apparent). Its really quite amazing how much experimentation is in this little ditty ( except for lack of lyrics, but the la, la's actually work).
love his prancing piano during this period,seems he always added it.fantastic particularly in this track. ..lady grinning soul also a stand out..3 months since you left us David. yes the world is a lessor place without you. your brilliance will always live on,you were a star like no other. 😇😇
From the worlds biggest Bowie collector I want to thank you for your lovely words... p.s my version of this song ( Tragic Moments ) is 7 minutes long, Tragic Moments is the correct working title, A Lad in Vain was made up by people back in the 80s when it first appeared on Boot LP's.
it's not a "song" it's more or less a jamm and mix up of several songs as we know from several albums. ofcourse bound together by Ronno. and as such a very big treat!
I swear one day I'm going to write a set of lyrics to this and try to palm them off to someone willing to perform them. There is 100% enough melody to compose lyrics to.
I think this is my favourite of all of Bowie's backing bands - the three Michaels and Trevor. They were only together for the one album. The completely solid rhythm section (and kudo's to Woody, who was not afraid to try stuff) with Mick and Mike swapping between lead and.... soundscapes. Unbelievable. As an added bonus; Bowie at last in full flight with his genius, as his previous album had given him the ability to get the studio time to fully realise his ideas. Aladdin Sane is only in my top 5 Bowie albums, but he never had a better band behind him as a unit. This is the same 4 piece that Ronno was part of for his version of "White Light / White Heat" on his solo record.. that track is one of my top 10 songs ever (although I admit there is in excess of 25 examples presently making up those selections).
Are you sure it's Mick Woodmansey on drums? It sound to me more like Ainsley Dunbar, and Nicholas Pegg (in 'The Complete David Bowie') thinks it was probably recorded in the Pin-Ups sessions.
@@DavidB5501 I think the drums sound like "Watch That Man", and being a jam it is unlikely that is was from 'Pinups' as that was Bowie (and Ronno) going through their old 60's circuit numbers. Diamond Dogs, where there are plenty of ideas showcased in this track, still had the Aladdin Sane band while Bowie was working up the songs. I know Ainsley replaced Woody, but I am not sure he jammed so much as just followed the ideas already laid down. The video and most comments place it as post Aladdin but pre Pinups. Diamond Dogs had no Ronno, and he is very much apparent on this.
@@LessAiredvanU The drumming still sounds more like Aynsley Dunbar to me (apologies for mis-spelling his name before), but I'm not an expert and that's just a personal opinion. The main reason for associating the track with the Pinups sessions is that toward the end of those sessions Bowie gave an interview to a music journalist and played him a 'work in progress' track, The description in the resulting article is much more like 'A Lad in Vain' than anything else. See Pegg's book for details. Of course, it was not intended as a track for Pinups itself. Some of the people involved in the sessions are still alive (Ken Scott, Mike Garson, Aynsley Dunbar, and maybe others), so someone must know the answer!
could have sworn this was near end of 1973 at the start of diamond dogs. you can actually download this from the guy who runs the year of the diamond dogs site
The spiders at there best,a mish mash of bits,the piano part in the middle was used on diamond dogs and the la la,s in it is the melody of the Beatles " it's only love"
Never heard this! It's wonderfully bizarre for that period! The 'synth' is odd on it... Love the original song. It's one of Bowie's real gems, Mike Garson the master on the track...
+Kombucha yeah it's obviously a Mellotron - you can hear the tape rolling while that flute sound plays. Not a synth but an early tape sampler. Both strings and flute sounds were commonly used (by Beatles, Zombies, Genesis, King Crimson, Led Zeppelin, Bowie and others). I LOVE this sound.
Me ENCANTA este tema (y también David Bowie XD, por supuesto, muy buena musica); este año, me ha acompañado en momentos en que he estado mal, con ese aire inocente que tiene :3...
Lad in VAIN because it never made it to an album, but a nice little relic..I haven't looked for it here, but remember seeing Jeff Beck get up and jam with them either on 'In Concert' or 'Don Kirchner's Rock Concert' when I was watching the telly as a lad of maybe 12-13...
will somebody turn that bleedin racket down!! It does sound like a pre cursor to The Pistols sound. Just shows how influences rub off on different musicians. Lovely
I think they are just banging around ideas to see if anything sticks. it's an interesting way to write. Some of this obviously fleshed out to full songs on their own.
Hey, this is alot of fun! Sounds like its between Aladdin Sane and Diamond Dogs. Mick Ronson on guitar? Somebody clue me in please. Thanks for posting.
Bowie recorded a song called Zion during the Aladdin Sane sessions. ,Alternatively this was recorded during the Pin Ups sessions in Paris. A French magazine mentions David recording some new material at the chateau that summer, including a song without words where David just La-Las his way through. A Lad in Vain perhaps? cttgaegoaktd 😛😛😛😛😛😛😛
Mind blown. Where does all this stuff come from? Rather than piss about re-hashing stuff, why doesn't his record company really treat us with these really rare things.
Sounds a a lot to me like demo material for Diamond Dogs … lots of bits from Sweet Thing and towards the end Candidate … really interesting to listen to though! Thanks!
I can see why it never made to to an album, its more a jam around some incomplete musical ideas. Definitely can hear part of the transition from Sweet Thing to Candidate.
My how quickly his voice changed? His ziggy voice (this one) sounds incapable of singin station to station and visa versa. It got deep in 3 years. ????
who's playing piano? I just love the writing process, the melodie's there but the words haven't emerged yet, such a magical process...Downloading from the universe in progress! :-) ...really, really good to hear this :-)
You would think not too much seemed to get lost from the musical pen of Bowie... however, there seems to be so much, so many demos early on... If only...
thruout this we hear the main riff from Alice Coopers song BLACK WIDOW, from WELCOME TO MY NIGHTMARE esp @ 4:07-4:40....'love you , yes we love you'....since that album was 1975, maybe Alice was listening in??
reprise sounds like Alice Cooper lifted for his song 'Black Widow' off 1975's WELCOME TO MY NIGHTMARE....i.e. 'love you, yes we love you, love you ,yes , we love you etc.'
+leonakita It's actually part of a Bowie song called Zion, written and recorded in 1973, so actually Cooper's Black Widow sounds a lot like Bowie's Zion.
This was my first bootleg i ever got way back.Everything is just pale in comparison. Certainly not Diamond Dogs. Before Pin Ups i guess. Listen to the instruments. Wish we had the whole ''TRAGIC MOMENTS' musical (which it came from) though!! Question though. Was this the instrumental LP David was going to release inbetween Pinu Ups and Dogs, or is this another project?
kabeauregardajax: Very little is DIAMOND DOGS. This song might had hit number 1 on Billboard and Cashbox. Love piano-informed outro from CANDIDATE with ALADDIN SANE piano musings. I'll make you a deal...like any other kind of date. They put who down? They say we wrong. We'll buy some drugs and watch a band. We'll jump into a lit furnace singing songs we loved from OUTSIDE.
It seems most likely to have been recorded during the Pin Ups sessions in Paris in the summer of '73. So yes the band were Mick Ronson, Trevor Bolder, Mike Garston and Aynsley Dunbar. cttgaegoaktd 😛😛😛😛😛😛😛
The 30th Anniversary edition of Aladdin Sane used to have this track. I'm going to find out and post how to get this track once I have a better answer. It's an awesome song.
+James bostrom If you can't instantly tell this is the Spiders then you're no Bowie fan. As soon as Ronno's guitar hits you know, never mind Bowie's vocal and Mike Garson's piano. It couldn't be more obvious.
The guitar riffage is reminiscent of 'Funtime' off The Idiot, and the synth reminds me of 'Warzawa' and other Berlin-period songs. So cool that Bowie was itching towards that stuff for years before actually delving into it.
Bowie was always on the cutting edge of trends including synths. Maybe not in a flamboyant way at the time as say Todd Rundgren and Utopia, Brian Eno, Kraftwerk, Tangerine Dream, etc. ..but he was incorporating them into his music early on. Obviously he eventual embraced them in a unique way with Brian Eno in the Berlin trilogy that resulted in a cold, dark Euro ambience infused with a plastic soul/funk that was a truly original sound and held up well over the passage of time. 'LOW' is as fresh today as it was when it was released in 1977!
Now that you mention it, I do hear some of the vibrant FUNTIME style riffs and synths in here ( 0:40 - 1:00 most apparent). Its really quite amazing how much experimentation is in this little ditty ( except for lack of lyrics, but the la, la's actually work).
and (2:40-3:00) and ( 4:40 - end..with lots of stooges like 'wah wah')
It's like a sound palette for half-a-dozen songs.
Norman Ball exactly right!
Well put old bean
No words needed... god he was a legend, a cut well and truely above the rest.
A superman
He was a genius. Not every song got completed though. I assume that is fairly common though
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Has no one noticed that the melody at the beninning is the exact same from the ending of Sweet Thing (Reprise)?
yeah the song became Candidate i think...
its actually at the end of Sweet Thing
it's the Aladdin Sane melody as well, with little variations
yes I noticed it straight away
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Bowie, Mellotrons, and Mike Garson. After hearing this, I could get hit by a bus tomorrow, and be just fine with that.
Bang Bang. Me too. Love on ya!
Agreed & we could even meet with Bowie & jam !
Ronson too?
Also Mick Ronson letting loose. Makes me wish he'd been kept on for Diamond Dogs.
Gift from God
love his prancing piano during this period,seems he always added it.fantastic particularly in this track. ..lady grinning soul also a stand out..3 months since you left us David. yes the world is a lessor place without you.
your brilliance will always live on,you were a star like no other. 😇😇
Virginia Jones he will always be near us in our hearts. 💜
From the worlds biggest Bowie collector I want to thank you for your lovely words... p.s my version of this song ( Tragic Moments ) is 7 minutes long, Tragic Moments is the correct working title, A Lad in Vain was made up by people back in the 80s when it first appeared on Boot LP's.
it's not a "song" it's more or less a jamm and mix up of several songs as we know from several albums. ofcourse bound together by Ronno. and as such a very big treat!
Yes. But the basic structure of a song is there.
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Love the lyrics!
I swear one day I'm going to write a set of lyrics to this and try to palm them off to someone willing to perform them. There is 100% enough melody to compose lyrics to.
jayrobb9 don't keep us waiting ;)
That would be great if you were inspired to do that
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Did you do it already?
I think this is my favourite of all of Bowie's backing bands - the three Michaels and Trevor. They were only together for the one album. The completely solid rhythm section (and kudo's to Woody, who was not afraid to try stuff) with Mick and Mike swapping between lead and.... soundscapes. Unbelievable. As an added bonus; Bowie at last in full flight with his genius, as his previous album had given him the ability to get the studio time to fully realise his ideas. Aladdin Sane is only in my top 5 Bowie albums, but he never had a better band behind him as a unit. This is the same 4 piece that Ronno was part of for his version of "White Light / White Heat" on his solo record.. that track is one of my top 10 songs ever (although I admit there is in excess of 25 examples presently making up those selections).
Are you sure it's Mick Woodmansey on drums? It sound to me more like Ainsley Dunbar, and Nicholas Pegg (in 'The Complete David Bowie') thinks it was probably recorded in the Pin-Ups sessions.
@@DavidB5501 I think the drums sound like "Watch That Man", and being a jam it is unlikely that is was from 'Pinups' as that was Bowie (and Ronno) going through their old 60's circuit numbers. Diamond Dogs, where there are plenty of ideas showcased in this track, still had the Aladdin Sane band while Bowie was working up the songs. I know Ainsley replaced Woody, but I am not sure he jammed so much as just followed the ideas already laid down. The video and most comments place it as post Aladdin but pre Pinups. Diamond Dogs had no Ronno, and he is very much apparent on this.
@@LessAiredvanU The drumming still sounds more like Aynsley Dunbar to me (apologies for mis-spelling his name before), but I'm not an expert and that's just a personal opinion. The main reason for associating the track with the Pinups sessions is that toward the end of those sessions Bowie gave an interview to a music journalist and played him a 'work in progress' track, The description in the resulting article is much more like 'A Lad in Vain' than anything else. See Pegg's book for details. Of course, it was not intended as a track for Pinups itself. Some of the people involved in the sessions are still alive (Ken Scott, Mike Garson, Aynsley Dunbar, and maybe others), so someone must know the answer!
Ronno giving it some welly. love it.
Mick Ronson raw brilliant guitar work love it shame this wasn't on the ALADDIN SANE album.. brilliant!!!!!
Love it haven't heard this for a few years now David rocks and always will be the best know one comes close to his genius
oh and the first guitar riff at the beginning sounds like "1984" as well
Wow. Ronno. Just...wow.
This jam nearly hangs together as a sort of song.
could have sworn this was near end of 1973 at the start of diamond dogs.
you can actually download this from the guy who runs the year of the diamond dogs site
if u see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweet_Thing_(David_Bowie_song) they agree i think?
The spiders at there best,a mish mash of bits,the piano part in the middle was used on diamond dogs and the la la,s in it is the melody of the Beatles " it's only love"
Never heard this! It's wonderfully bizarre for that period! The 'synth' is odd on it... Love the original song. It's one of Bowie's real gems, Mike Garson the master on the track...
+Robert Yanuzzi I think it might be a Mellotron. Maybe the flute too?
+Kombucha yeah it's obviously a Mellotron - you can hear the tape rolling while that flute sound plays. Not a synth but an early tape sampler. Both strings and flute sounds were commonly used (by Beatles, Zombies, Genesis, King Crimson, Led Zeppelin, Bowie and others). I LOVE this sound.
Yes, I was wondering if it was the same "flute" sound as the one from Strawberry Fields Forever.
Heard this on a pirate radio station years ago. So glad to hear it here. Thanks for posting. So captures the Ronson era Bowie.
Me ENCANTA este tema (y también David Bowie XD, por supuesto, muy buena musica); este año, me ha acompañado en momentos en que he estado mal, con ese aire inocente que tiene :3...
omg i Love this So Much!..lol..sounds like he's having a royal blast! ....TY for posting this song
A lad in vain => A lad in sane
Lad in VAIN because it never made it to an album, but a nice little relic..I haven't looked for it here, but remember seeing Jeff Beck get up and jam with them either on 'In Concert' or 'Don Kirchner's Rock Concert' when I was watching the telly as a lad of maybe 12-13...
This take is first time for me. Fantastic! Mick's Gibson sounds is good!
This is so good :0
Sounds like he was having a fun experimental moment with this song.
too Awesome!!!
will somebody turn that bleedin racket down!! It does sound like a pre cursor to The Pistols sound. Just shows how influences rub off on different musicians. Lovely
Being viewer 8,888, all I can see are vertical infinity signs. Laugh, love, live... Thanks David!
I think they are just banging around ideas to see if anything sticks. it's an interesting way to write. Some of this obviously fleshed out to full songs on their own.
Johnnywhamo that one time he made everyone in the studio band change to an instrument they didn’t know how to play and it made it on the album.
Incrível! Amei!
A Lad In Vain...Brilliant!
Hey, this is alot of fun! Sounds like its between Aladdin Sane and Diamond Dogs. Mick Ronson on guitar? Somebody clue me in please. Thanks for posting.
Google Pushing ahead of the dames, a brilliant Bowie blog. It's got all the info you need.
Bowie recorded a song called Zion during the Aladdin Sane sessions. ,Alternatively this was recorded during the Pin Ups sessions in Paris. A French magazine mentions David recording some new material at the chateau that summer, including a song without words where David just La-Las his way through. A Lad in Vain perhaps?
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That’s some crunchy guitar work.
The song is actually named ''Tragic Moments'' my copy is not only better quality but over 7 minutes long.
is our copy posted?.....on the level
FULLY PHILLY give us some proof about your second claim.
Yeah mate post it please
So we can enjoy it too
salutations, Serrot Nossrej. exceptionally solid video. thank. :)
This isn't on the 30th Anniversary Aladdin Sane
Check out the bridge on Alice Cooper's "the Black Widow" = identical, note for note, but Bowie's is earlier.
Mind blown. Where does all this stuff come from? Rather than piss about re-hashing stuff, why doesn't his record company really treat us with these really rare things.
Sounds a a lot to me like demo material for Diamond Dogs … lots of bits from Sweet Thing and towards the end Candidate … really interesting to listen to though! Thanks!
@ajps28 Viejo, esta música es la que hay que disfrutar en todo momento.
Grande el Camaleón!!!!!!!
la la land!
I can see why it never made to to an album, its more a jam around some incomplete musical ideas. Definitely can hear part of the transition from Sweet Thing to Candidate.
i love to see people moan on about him and trying to be clever,,,,ha ha ha if you don't like him find someone else,,,,,,,,good luck.
There is also some fragments of "Dodo"
the most perfect song..
thanks so much for uploading this! It's brilliant! I'd like to know who drew the beautiful picture you can see at 1:15 ? Love
My how quickly his voice changed? His ziggy voice (this one) sounds incapable of singin station to station and visa versa. It got deep in 3 years. ????
Cocaine did this most likely
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just listen to Ronno go !!
you can hear 'sweet thing' in the intro
who's playing piano? I just love the writing process, the melodie's there but the words haven't emerged yet, such a magical process...Downloading from the universe in progress! :-) ...really, really good to hear this :-)
Mike Garson was playing piano. :)
what is the thing?
great music strange dude
sure!,right!
me gusta me gusta
I am a changed man
so there is still unreleased music out there we need a new album
I love this but I get the feeling Bowie would hate that we’re listening to it.
That much so quickly though? By the way- you have a cool user-name!
the motif sounds like sweet thing,dodo,candidate,guess he re- worked this lad in vain for the diamond dogs album,isn't?
This sounds really funny.
It was.
Yeah, this is a Diamond Dogs thing.
I just thought the same thing.
You would think not too much seemed to get lost from the musical pen of Bowie... however, there seems to be so much, so many demos early on... If only...
I agree. If only they had been finished.
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thruout this we hear the main riff from Alice Coopers song BLACK WIDOW, from WELCOME TO MY NIGHTMARE esp @ 4:07-4:40....'love you , yes we love you'....since that album was 1975, maybe Alice was listening in??
Probably a "Diamond Dogs" left over or Jam not "Alladin sane" but many thanks...
reprise sounds like Alice Cooper lifted for his song 'Black Widow' off 1975's WELCOME TO MY NIGHTMARE....i.e. 'love you, yes we love you, love you ,yes , we love you etc.'
+leonakita I thought the same thing, well spotted, very similar
+leonakita 1973! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aladdin_Sane_(song)
+leonakita It's actually part of a Bowie song called Zion, written and recorded in 1973, so actually Cooper's Black Widow sounds a lot like Bowie's Zion.
My bad, chronologically you are correct. Everybody steals in rock n'roll....its inherent!
The exact same thing came into my head!!!!!!!!!!!
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beauty is a joy forever, enjoy ~
This was my first bootleg i ever got way back.Everything is just pale in comparison. Certainly not Diamond Dogs. Before Pin Ups i guess. Listen to the instruments. Wish we had the whole ''TRAGIC MOMENTS' musical (which it came from) though!! Question though. Was this the instrumental LP David was going to release inbetween Pinu Ups and Dogs, or is this another project?
kabeauregardajax: Very little is DIAMOND DOGS.
This song might had hit number 1 on Billboard and Cashbox. Love piano-informed outro from CANDIDATE with ALADDIN SANE piano musings.
I'll make you a deal...like any other kind of date.
They put who down? They say we wrong. We'll buy some drugs and watch a band. We'll jump into a lit furnace singing songs we loved from OUTSIDE.
It did not that it was from a planned planned musical.
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Wonder if that's Rick Wakeman on piano.
Neu 'Negativeland'.
I thought it was a mash-up but it's not.
When exactly was this recorded and who is playing what?
Is that Trevor Bolder on bass?
It seems most likely to have been recorded during the Pin Ups sessions in Paris in the summer of '73. So yes the band were Mick Ronson, Trevor Bolder, Mike Garston and Aynsley Dunbar.
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Where did this come from? Meaning, Where could I get this?
reallY??? tell me more ;O
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The 30th Anniversary edition of Aladdin Sane used to have this track. I'm going to find out and post how to get this track once I have a better answer.
It's an awesome song.
I was expecting I am the antichrist .....................
it's weird but i like it... but it's weird
it is, it is :D
Something you'll find yourself murmuring wile doing the dishes.......
Interesting but I can see why it never made into the public domain. It's a mishmash of half formed ideas really.
Diamond Dogs. Doo...
THIS IS FALSE, and not true, it is not from any official release
You are partly correct. It's very real, but no, it has never been officially released. It's what's known as a 'demo'.
+James bostrom If you can't instantly tell this is the Spiders then you're no Bowie fan. As soon as Ronno's guitar hits you know, never mind Bowie's vocal and Mike Garson's piano.
It couldn't be more obvious.
He changes his voice in almost every song LOL he's the master of "ch-ch-ch-changes" ;-)