A Divided America Agrees: We Deserve Better Than This
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- The latest national poll (www.nytimes.com/2024/07/03/us...) from The New York Times and Siena College shows former President Donald J. Trump leading President Biden by nine percentage points among registered voters - a pretty big shift in his direction in the week since the presidential debate.
It has become clear in the past week that there is no obvious path to replacing Mr. Biden as the Democratic Party’s nominee. But there is a strong desire among Americans for something different.
We heard that directly from voters we met last week in Kenosha, Wis., at a gathering of a group called Braver Angels. It’s a nonpartisan organization that finds common ground across political divisions, and it proved a perfect focus group after the debate.
We asked these deeply engaged citizens, who had chosen to spend their free time debating policy and politics, how they were feeling about their options for president in November.
Their perspective reinforced the gap that this unique political moment has exposed between voters and party leaders.
The questions are: Has Mr. Biden’s debate performance made the continuation of his campaign untenable? And what, if anything, should happen next?
Do you have a question about the 2024 election? We want to hear from you. Fill out this form (www.nytimes.com/article/2024-...) or email us at therunup@nytimes.com (mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?fs=...)
All these people bitched their way through two primaries about how Bernie Sanders was "too old" only to vote for a man the exact same age, clearly in advancing stages of Alzheimer's al the way back in 2019, and spend 4 years telling us he's really only 30 and has a photographic memory. Meanwhile we could be in a 7th year of a Sanders administration with universal healthcare, housing rights and $15 minimum wage-- not to mention not be fomenting nuclear wars with Russia and the middle east. When are people going to finally hold the Democrats and the liberal media machine accountable for screwing us over?!
Exactly
@worldadventuretravel the dems will never stop cowing to their DNC gods. Not gonna happen. People can hate on Trump, but the fact is the right blew up their system and told political party leaders that voters are in charge, not them.
This comment deserves 1000 upvotes.
@@SatiVee Join a union and create a labor party.
"I really didn't follow Trump prior to the debate"??? EXCUSE ME? The man was president for 4 years, "yeah, um, I just really didn't know about him until the debate"??? who tf are these ppl?
People brainwashed by the NYT for the last 7 years
@@Dare5358 they are zombies.
The fact that people are even having conflicted feelings over Biden-Trump in 2024 is stunning. Have they forgotten 2017-2021?
We must repeal the 19th Amendment. Women are not capable of rational thought.
You are so right!
@@NightOfCrystals We must repeal the 19th Amendment. Women are not capable of rational thought.
Love that I’m not sure if you mean this positively or negatively. Trump did stupid shit but boy that cost of living was so uhbetter
@@Please654 I’ll clarify my position - Trump as president was a disaster. He quickly made the US the shame of the international community. Over 400,000 people died under his watch during the COVID-19 pandemic due to fumbled handling in the early days. He racked up nearly $8T in debt. His tax scam for the rich cost the public millions. His border wall plan was a fringe, lunatic waste of money. He was essentially a mouthpiece for Putin at various international summits. The United States cannot afford another Trump presidency.
In a "democracy" people get the government they deserve.
Not if you're not even allowed the candidate who would win fairly. Election after election our candidate is forced on us by both "leading" parties . We don't have to vote for them. It's not a throw away vote! It is a protest vote.
We need Bernie more than ever. He's the only true populist that has a 40+yr record doing what's right for people on the ground
I love Bernie but come on... he's even older than Biden.
@@wjfox2006 people like to say this but he's still shooting hoops, holding unedited interviews, and doing rallies. Hes the only one that could actually win. He brings the disparaged, the youth, voters on the fence, swing states, the rust belt and even some far right maga (the ones that wanted trump to be populist where he clearly isn't). That's huge and an ocean wider than what Kamala and Biden could claim to. It's only 4yrs, he would pick a VP that would do us well and do the honourable thing if his capacity did diminish. The guy is gold
Stop trying to make fetch happen
@@wjfox2006 he still shoots hoops on weekends, rallies across the country fighting the food fight, and maintains high cognitive ability during live and long-form interviews. How is that too old? Old age but not old as in diminishing.
The reason this is best case scenario is for one, he's got the overwhelming support (if say much more than trump) especially among his peers. He would obviously only have 1 term, during that term he would def put a woman as VP. That VP would have a drastically higher presence than any other VP in history. Why you ask? Because he would want to propel them into an actually successful bid in 2028. Right now with the state of things, if Kamala were to be put up, she would be demolished l. She's not been given credence the entire time Biden's been in and her record/resume beyond that is pitiful - 1 term in Congress and a contentious time as an attorney. It's just not material enough against the likes and risks with trump.
Also, much of the praised output of the Biden admin was watered down Bernie policy anyway. It's popular (albeit lightweight from establishment Dems) and they know it. But diluted simply won't cut it, people can clearly see that. We might as well have the OG himself. And to anyone that thinks 'hes too extreme' don't worry, the oligarchs won't let him have too much regardless; Bernie fights for going the mile while knowing damn well if we only get 3% of the way that that's good, it's progress in the right direction.
So, a for-sure bet now while the skillet is on fire, propping up VP for a real future's chance, and doing good populist policy for at a minimum of 4 years...this will all make the Dems look good, they'll actually output what they claim stake to for a change.
He’s a communist
We need better people to represent us. President Biden has been solid, and hard-working, now he needs to retire with dignity and poise. Thursday was an American tragedy!
he's insisting on being undignified. nothing worse than an old man devoid of wisdom and humility.
Biden policy that's done anything worth some cents and people like, are watered down Bernie policy. Why can't we just have Bernie for 4 yrs?
We must repeal the 19th Amendment. Women are not capable of rational thought.
I don’t think there’s any dignity left for him, not after the truth has been exposed about his terrible mental state
Tell me one thing Biden has done that has had an impact in your current life. Just one thing.
Not only could not watch the debate after seeing the first 3 minutes, I can't watch your show after the first 3 minutes. That woman who actually BELIEVED TRUMP was ridiculous.
What’s the actual evidence you have that Trump lied about his policy positions? You can’t cite MSNBC opinions
Half of Americans identify as independent. The reds and blues are killing it (us).
We deserve the best Republican candidate and the best Democrat candidate competing for the presidency.
I pick Bernie
We are too cowardly to vote for them. Bernie. Buttigieg.
Ohio isn't a "battleground" state. Hasn't been a bell-weather for some time now.🤦♀️
Well, this segment was eye opening to the extent that it reveals the myriad ways the education system in America has failed our society and how the average voter has basically no clue about the goings on of government or political gamesmanship.
The free world deserves better, too.
Our freedom is apparently in the hands of a sliver of swing-state voters. Heaven help us all 🙏🇺🇲.
Ok, Copernicus, who? Name someone.
@@antoniopizarro7670 I do not know talent gathering in the second line, behind inept Kamala and too old Biden (Trump best of the three).
Bernie
The Sellout that endorsed Hillary? Hilarious. @@Charles-Darwin
“Undecided voter in Ohio means a lot” - pretty pathetic journalism from NYT here. Ohio is a solid red state.
America also deserves a better media.
Parties have a monopoly on candidate choices. We choose between the trash they allow us to. Saw it first hand in 2016 in Philly. The media is a key player in that monopoly. "Spin room"? Doesn't get more on the nose than that, kids. Since what we have is largely exclusive to the public will, it seems the ONLY chance at breaking that cycle is to supplant those structures by way of alternatives. We need new party coalitions to compete. Voters on both sides have many commonalities and paths to addressing local problems. We just need to do it without regard for all the noise the establishment always makes about it.
IMHO the US needs a new voting system. One that allows more viable choices than just two. Sadly neither Democrats nor Republicans will advocate for this, because they benefit from this duopoly and don't want more competition.
@@mrm7058
RNC/DNC make too much $$$ off of a gullible public to give it up...
Hear! Hear! ✊️
Bernie
Trump wasn't just not the choice of the RNC or the media, but literally their last choice, they went out of their way to try and destroy him, failing utterly. It's the DNC who has maintained total control.
'i thought it was a reason to drink' exactly.
Me, too!
Hemlock?
Just wow. Unquestioning Trump's claims because he "sounded sincere"... this is they typical low-information uncommitted voter we're supposed to be tailoring policies and candidates towards.
You’re unreasonable
We must repeal the 19th Amendment. Women are not capable of rational thought.
I feel you but the key is to meet people where they are and figure out how to communicate to them. Biden couldn’t refute or retort those claims that night. It was his job to disprove in the moment what Trump said. This is why it’s important to ask if he’s the guy to prosecute the case against Trump.
@@alimomen it's hopeless it seems, how you can you penetrate that kind of mind
@@powermaxx11 Very easily, apparently! I've never heard someone so easily and dramatically swayed by a couple of statements from a politician. (Just imagine if the Dems had put up someone competent against Trump...)
If Biden cared more about America and Democracy than he did about whats best for Biden, he would leave now
I don't understand why American voters seem to place so much attention on individual candidates and how they make them feel, rather than discussing policy or a larger political vision for the country. I wish we could have more political formats discussing policy proposals like Project 2025, tax reform or the success (or failure) of bills like the Chips Act, Infrastructure Bill or Inflation Reduction Act. Those would affect the average American far more than how a candidate presents him or herself, and might have a chance of rendering a better roster of candidates as well. Perhaps a bit of a meandering point, but would be interested to hear what people think.
It doesn’t seem that you understand either American politics or politics more broadly.
Philosophically, I agree with you. But practically, that would require a lot of research on the part of voters. I'm personally willing (and even eager) to do that kind of research to keep myself informed, but I also have more free time than a lot of American adults. Ideally we'd all be tuned into these major bills and policies that affect our lives and our future, but people are busy and tired and they don't care to dive into the complex machinations of congressional bills and government initiatives. Thus, they go with whichever guy has the "vibe" they're looking for in a leader. It's a bummer.
From my seat, it is pretty clear that most Americans do not have any intellectual curiosity about things they don’t understand or that they disagree with. The importance of history or unimportance of history is embarrassing. How little so many people know about past events and how they affect today…. history is filled with examples of autocrats using existing Democratic freedoms to gain power only to form a dictatorship where independence of the media, the right to change the existing government by free and fair elections and freedom of individual opinion and protest are violently repressed.
Instead they want simple solutions to complicated problems like closing the border like deporting, illegal aliens like tariffs on imports, like removing checks and balances in our government, with the false assumption by punishing others or removing opposition that their lives will get better…….without giving one iota of thought that this policy, is designed to create a one party state and is militarizing the police for future action against other civilians in the United States that are not here illegally, and that simply disagree with the policy of our government.
For those who think I am weaving a fairytale or I’m making a big deal out of nothing. Please look at any Trump rally or MAGA event where people who have different opinions have been identified by Trump or the crowd.
If you believe that Biden is just a puppet and you want unknown others behind the scenes running things, vote for him.
youre too smart for your own good
I wish the Dems were running against Bernie rn. They might get off their asses and try to win this thing.
The first NYT interviewer was TOTALLY pushing a Democratic viewpoint in their questions and how they characterized the answers the woman gave. Can’t the NYT find interviewers who can stay neutral when they interview people?
When even Stormy Daniels could win over Joe and Kamala, tells you all you need about the state of things
Trump dosn't want exceptions lol he literally has said he has to say that to get wlected.
It just baffles me how people easily fall for his lies like the 2nd girl interviewed.
Trumps position on abortion is actually extremely moderate. Conservatives want a national ban but they put up with leaving it to the states.
@@RB-.- Anything short of a nationwide bad is " moderate" now? They haven't had a chance to do it. They get one they will. Because they don't care how many women or how many babies it kills, yes abortion bans kill both and increase, not decrease the number of abortions. Because they aren't about anything but controlling women. We get a Republican Congress they will pass a ban. If Trump is president he will sign it. They already polluted the court with insane ideologues who have trashed the rule of law. Just so they could take women's rights. Not " moderate" by a long shot.
@@RB-.- yeah but the fact he and a handful of his inner circle are the only thing holding back the religeous extremists in the party is worrying, especially since trump has a tendancy to flip flop when its convenient.
We must repeal the 19th Amendment. Women are not capable of rational thought.
NYTimes readers just found out that Biden was senile last week
Actually we don't deserve better than this. What we have is a product of the ignorance and stupidity of the American electorate.
Agreed. Just listening to some of the interviewees, tells you they haven't put as much thought into it as they think they have.
Don't be mean.
I never understand statements like this. We get ourselves as humans or Americans into every situation we're in - climate, the election, wars, going to the moon, antibiotics, schools.. but since we are just going to keep on being human and making mistakes why abandon us? Sparrows make mistakes, one built a nest on our door and the babies fell, I could feel the panic and what seemed like sorrow in the parents. They didn't deserve what they got because they aren't perfect Sparrows.
@@suzanne6441 even sparrows wouldn’t vote for Trump.
The first arguement against Democracy is a conversation with the average voter.
Democracy is hard. The people in power are exactly what we deserve because we the people allowed that to happen. I start by blaming myself. There's nothing stopping me from taking the time to get more involved in politics. I've never ran for any political seat. I don't volunteer to help collect signatures for ballot initiatives. I don't volunteer to help in election campaigns for candidates who support issues I believe in. I pay attention to what's going on politically, and I vote, and that's not enough. I can't complain about the people who get elected if I'm not willing to do everything I can within reason to help get better people elected.
"Cory" is about as convincing as Dave Rubin.
Why? Because she questions Bidens mental capabilities? His inability to be coherent for more then 2 minutes?
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Adam Schiff? Is that you?
They could wheel Biden into the debate in a coma and I am still not voting for Trump! Please Jo step down and let’s beat this dictator want be Trump!
You're part of the problem, they know you'll vote for anything so why would he step down 😂
That's fine by me. I'd vote for a mop over trump. A mop wouldn't incite a mob to invade the capitol nor hand over ukriane to putin or disband nato. Blame the republican "party" for becoming a cult around a horrible person and refusing to cater even to non trump republicans let alone others.
TDS
@asnmdnss, You aren't paying attention to the Supreme Court's last term. Please, vote for the party that believes in continuing our Republic. Not the party who want's us to be governed by a King/dictator.
@@john7787, Well said!
I couldn’t watch it because it was just too painful. I get angry whenever I hear people mock
President Biden and snicker at him. It’s terribly upsetting. I wonder how could his family and the Democrats do this to him. I hope my family never 👎 does that to me. I’m not a Biden supporter, but he’s our president and we should do better at showing him greater respect . This being said, I’m voting for Donald J. Trump. President Biden’s best days are gone. His time is over. President Biden RIP.
Some of the people interviewed for this are.... not smart.
Bruhhh… we f’d :(
Meanwhile there's a MAGA loyalists using this Better Angels thing to build a list of their local "RINO traitors"
Biden needs to watch the debate carefully and do the right thing.
“We deserve better than this”
Then vote in the freaking primaries if you believe you deserve better.
There weren't actual primaries this year for Dems.
@@TheMageesa I voted in one. There were 8 candidates on the ballot. The turnout in my state was only slightly more than 18%.
@@TheMageesa The DNC made sure of that.
@@midcenturymoldy Obviously they held formal debates. But that doesn't mean there was a real primary. They didn't even bother holding debates. Republicans held debates, Democrats didn't. That fact should be an embarrassment to the Democratic party.
@midcenturymoldy The Democrats didn't have a primary.
This question has to answered: Is Joe Biden medically fit to be president? If yes, Biden should continue. If not, Biden should resign for the good of the country. In no case would I ever vote for DJT.
Frankly, his ability to prosecute the case against Trump is right now the priority.
How much have Americans done to dismantle 2-party system?
Yes..Nothing.
You made your bed, now lay in it.
Lie, not lay. But ok.
What _could_ Americans do?
we've been trying to do a lot actually. Many voted 3rd party in 2016 which gave trump the election, and this changed somethings like superdelagates. secondly, many are canvasing for ranked choice voting, so 3rd party candidates can be voted for without it handing the election over to some freak.
@@jardbinkley3144 Sorry to inform you, but the Grammar Nazi lost the war.
@@ericwinters1513 Feel free to look it up if you're curious to find the right answer.
This is fascinating! Thanks to everyone who contributed to this podcast :)
27:55: He used to wonder "Are people on the other side evil, or are they stupid? Now it seems ridiculous that I even thought that."
I think "Why not both?" And I have gotten stronger in that opinion over the years. I would make a very poor "better angel".
If nothing else, you’re self aware.
I’m a Dem that voted for Biden and I like what he has done, he’s a good man. Having said that, we have a bench of talented people on the Dem side that could clean the floor with Trump. I think Biden will lose to Trump that debate just fomented the caricature the right has made of him. We either change course or Trump is the future.
So this woman has no clue whatsoever about Trump's continual lying, which can be so easily verified. So easily. Stunning.
So.... Biden's lies have killed more Americans!
Joe’s gotta go
Really good job on this
Biden is DONE, either he drops, or Trump wins. Period.
The problem is neither option is pain-free (to Democrats), and neither seems likely to lead to the desired outcome. It's why I viewed Sanders, Warren and Biden as all too old in 2020. Democrats should have taken the issue seriously in 2020 or 2022 or 2024 (primary season), but now many are panicking at the consequences of their gamble.
That’s what is killing me and anyone who’s forced to try to pretend he’s ok is going to get dragged down too. This can’t keep going.
@@maemorriWarren did nothing but ruin Bernie’s chances ugh
You’re wrong. Biden 2024!!
@@kristinadutton3259 The post-debate polling is horrific for Biden. He needs to do the honourable thing and step down.
Truly unbelievable to elect a self-important bully leading a pack of bullies, haters and opportunists and would abuse unlimited immunity because you don't like the performance of the figurehead of a competent Democratic team that has delivered time and time again.
The president isn’t a “figurehead.” Most Americans aren’t buying your argument that the Democratic Party is “competent” when they have a mentally incompetent man as the head of it. You may not like Trump, but you’re not going to convince anyone of your position if all you can do is defend that abysmal performance.
Sadly, it’s all too believable these days.
Cry harder little tiny baby @stromsrb
You nailed it
It's about time a women was our President!
Step aside today Biden. Pass the torch to Kamala. Trump must be defeated. Independent voter
I don’t get these people. There were open primaries with multiple willing candidates in both parties and these two won them resoundingly. Primary voters chose these guys relatively fairly. Their issue is with those voters.
The Democrats had no true primary this year. Potential candidates had been discouraged to run, no debates and some states canceled the primary all together.
@@mrm7058 ok. So vote for the side that had the most democratic process. They should at least be rewarded for that much.
i voted trump twice. i can understand why people are changing their votes but i wish we both had a better choice on both sides. i almost hate social conservatism more than i love fiscal conservatiism. i'd seriously consider a non socialist pro climate anti dei democrat.
Every elected Democrat is to the right of socialism
The notion that we "deserve better than this" is entitled and delusional. Functional democracy takes work, which we have failed to do. Our collective fractious division, hubris, laziness, selfish greed and willful ignorance has delivered us to this moment. Functional democracy requires access to accurate information and an informed citizenry. It must be responsive to the needs and desires of that citizenry and relies on social cohesion to uphold it. We have none of those things. Functional democracy is fully incompatible with extreme wealth inequality, yet wealth inequality has never been higher. Since we can't sustain a social environment conducive to functional democracy, our democracy has withered. In this regard we have exactly what we deserve.
Beautiful story! Thanks so much!
I’d love for Petey to be the Dem candidate. I think he’d easily beat Trump.
Politicians and press spinners need to know that a lit of listeners are intelligent. We are perfectly capable of making up our own minds. We do not need to be spoon fed the latest news with a slant. We recognise when someone is not well and we do indeed deserve better.
Amen to the title
Trump "quips"? Hey, the New York Times said it, must be true.
Need more of this kind of reporting from the NYT.
Very fair.
America absolutely deserves this. They have been laying the groundwork their entire lives, they just didn’t know it. And now, the moment has arrived to bear upon them.
Funny none of those they interviewed said they were going to vote for Trump ….. just statistically I find that weird ….
Bc the majority of actual people don't want him either. Both him and Biden have historically high unapproval ratings at 60% and historic low approval ratings at 30%.
hot take: No one deserves anything.
This was an excellent podcast because it was very illuminating.
Paraparaganaganadada
The first person interviewed wasn't a Democrat but she identified as 'blue' for some convention/viewing party? I deserve better as a democrat.
"Blue" does not mean "Democrat." It identifies (as the reporter says) the delegate as "left-leaning." But where do you get that she wasn't a Democrat? Because she's questioning her original choice, not towing the party line? I was there, sitting not far from this delegate. Her name is Cory. I have a ton of respect for the way she thinks independently and acts on her convictions. You can view and hear her in a recording of the Friday morning session: 2:34:00 czcams.com/video/nnzD4UxAZ_0/video.html. But there were plenty of democrats of all varieties. Our parties reflect our country in being anything but one size fits all.
@@courtbudd She's definitely not left-leaning which is what got me stirred up in the first place. But you're right about getting the two wrong.
The Times has sunk into the gutter
Why because they aren’t towing the Democratic Party agenda blindly? That’s what you prefer? This is the same sentiment Maga loyalist said of Fox when they briefly criticized Trump.
I understand that there are three people who can order troops to D.C ,and the mayor of the District isn't one of them.The President is.
Yea… I’m starting think people need to take a test in order to vote.
Corey translated: Biden's performance was awful and I'm thinking of switching my vote to Trump because he wiped the floor with Joe. Sure he never answers the question and doesn't tell the truth but that's the man I want to be my president.
EXACTLY!! As if DECADES of Trump's DEPRAVITY was en par with Biden's bad 90 min. debate in some voter's view. Simply stunning 😢. Irresponsible and Shameful so-called 'Journalism.'
@@jmk1578
Evolution is not always linear.
I think you missed the point. She's saying Biden was so feeble and out to lunch she can't vote for him even if she desperately wants to. I think millions of Americans are reaching the same conclusion. People have a better idea of what they are getting with Trump, with Biden there's too much uncertainty.
@@dlmsarge8329Trump has made it clear what he’s going to do, and this will be the last election. That is the truth. A vote for that is madness.
@@dlmsarge8329 Clearly you are the one who missed the point. She begins by saying she identified as a dem then proceeds to say she is so horrified at Biden's performance that she thinks she will now vote for Trump.
That is not a legitimate dem response if based on one debate. Can you imagine republicans responding in that manner to the countless Trump lies and racist taunts etc over the past eight years. No, I don't think so as it's a cult mentality. I'm pretty confident that little Corey was also lying through her teeth about being a dem.
I laugh at people who say Trump isn’t a nice person. You are reacting to the profile the media fed you. I haven't met one person who has met Trump who walked away and didn't rave about the interaction. Trump is very personable whether you like his policies or not.
I think that the screaming about people who speak languages "noone has ever heard before" being sick animals, cliched the deal that Trump is not a nice person.
I'm sure there are fine people on both sides. 😂
@@noodlewhitley perfect example of how you've been brainwashed by your media gods. Quoting pieces of the entire quote is a sign of ignorance.
@@EarlyRiser71 Can you project a little harder, please?
@@number9vintage928 my god, you are a true snowflake huh?
As a former Newspaper, NYT is transitioning well into podcasting. I enjoyed this one, thanks 😊
A good "Purple" vote option is Peter Sonski of the American Solidarity Party.
First interview will believe a notorious liar and convicted criminal? She shouldn't be allowed near a public forum, she's uninformed and incapable of decision making.
I don’t think you know the details of those trials and what a farce they are. That’s why people don’t take it seriously
How many illegals are you hosting in YOUR home?
The lady at 13:15 ….wtf
We want Trump, don't compare him and Biden...its night and day!
Scott Galloway 2024🎉
2028 a better fit :-)
Biden can't last another term. If he refuses to drop out, then a vote for him is a vote for Kamala Harris. To win voters’ confidence, he needs a more charismatic and dynamic running mate.
Kamala Harris should be the candidate if Biden drops out!
Anyone who flips their vote for Biden because Trump seems mildly more articulate in one debate is not a thoughtful person.
Oh it’s way beyond “mildly more articulate.”
Trump could just as easily have had a bad night like he often does with interviews and at his rallies. Biden has a history of stutters and gaffs, presidents have a history of bad first debates for several reasons that clearly played out here in an “old man” version. But they are BOTH old and incoherent at times. One of them has been a great president and one wants to be dictator.
@@kristinadutton3259 dont care, still voting trump
Beware "The Walking Joe"!
Kamala replacing Joementia
The Public: we don't want Biden, we never really did
Kamala: Hold my beer.........
RFK Jr 2024
Getting Trump supporters to sit with anyone of different opinions, and be civilized is anaccomplishment in of itself
I see it the opposite 😂
Trump 2024
Nah. Trump 2024 😂
After Biden's showing, it's probably going to be.
@@ModernCentrist we can only hope, and make sure to vote when the day comes.
Why do you hate America? Why do you want to end our democracy? Why do you want to be ruled?
Simple as, full stop.
Vote for trump is a vote for project 2025 thanks fascism
Vote for Biden is a vote for China. Thanks Communism
F NY Times! Intifada forever!
We deserve better than being lied to by the NYTs.
Ok. Still voting Trump though.