Confrontation is sometimes needed. When done right, it is not contention. We can defend and protect truths without demonization or silencing. Sometimes we must loudly defend, But the motive is love and not hate. And that is the difference.
@@alananat6628 maybe so but it's these truths that gave us this country and helped us win our freedom. However as of late I wonder if people have forgotten those truths 🤔
@@yeboscrebo4451 What is the truth were talking about? Universal truths like Love one another? They used to call Lamanite dark skin as a curse. That was also the truth, plus a million other similar things. It would just be nice not to have the truth being portrayed as a singular, all inclusive idea, because those ideas change.
Im so glad she notes her life's work is to HELP people do this, because it's work, its an effort. I love that she notes Its physical. Illl had what we eat also affects our ability to manage our responses. I got all caffeine out of my life to help with this. Im working on healing fatty liver, as I can tell eating high oil and higher fat foods causes me to be less able to manage a trigger and not get upset. The liver filters all hormones, including our stress hormones. Eat clogging foods on an already clogged liver and struggle with excess cortisol. It takes a few years of consistently healthy eating to fully heal the liver,but it will. And a few days does make a difference in ability to handle stressors. I grew up in an environment where people flying off the handle was a daily occurence. Im doing everything I can to get this out of my life. Its a back and forth process. Especially if I make bad food choices.
I heard her speak on the Law of Zero Contention. I hope she writes about about it. The world really needs it. Thank you for sharing this speech. She is an amazing woman of God.
@@tdubs5128 She worked with the Family Nursing Unit (FNU) at the University of Calgary (U of C) from 1983 to 1992, training graduate students to use family systems therapy with families of patients. Her academic work in articles and in the book Beliefs: The Heart of Healing in Families and Illness helped develop a practical and theoretical framework for family systems nursing. She has spoken internationally at more than 200 scholarly conferences And at the end of it all she married into a family of 10 children and her life's work has been on the family 👪 Maybe that's why she's a guardian angel, because she has been serving and helping our world and family's. Gone fishing do your research and put yourself in her shoes, maybe then you will understand who this woman mother and wife is!
Yes, well put. Easy to assume acquiescence to dominant voices equals virtue. Also easy to assume she is advocating for this. As she said, having different ideas is good, healthy, and enriching. Acquiescence is not strength. Civil discourse is key. True civility today is thoroughly dismissed as self righteousness. Evil called good and good evil.
@@alananat6628 if your referring to imperfect people then yes there will be, focus on christ for yourself the journey is individual not group wise, gain your testimony for yourself ignore the tares of the church. When you find him, nothing else will matter around you that feels contentious, christ is peace. God bless
@@livingsouloftimestudio2887 I think might be talking about actual members by the sound of it. I'm talking about the damage members and nonmembers have received from bad policies, retracted teachings and doctrine, the refusal of leaders to apologize when people are negatively impacted by these things. Imperfection is different than being deliberate.
“Emotional violence” is a dangerous idea. There is no way to qualify or quantify such a thing. Actual violence is demonstrable, but when someone commits “emotional violence” against another, calls someone a name for example, how would you determine the severity of that action? Sounds like bottomless can of worms to me. Its far better to teach “sticks and stones” and encourage resiliency of character.
@@yeboscrebo4451 When the church education teaches young girls they are like "chewed-up gum" or "licked cupcakes" if they experienced sexual issues, would you consider that inducing good moral character? I can tell you when that lesson went out, sexual abuse survivors took it hard, even Elizabeth Smart. Or what about when President Kimball promised Native Americans their skin would literally turn white if they joined the church? Many natives spent many years wondering why their skin turn white and felt unworthy or unloved by God, or that He didn't keep his promises. Did that create good moral character? This is what I'm talking about. Institutional wrongs, not hurt feelings from a member saying they look fat in a dress.
@@alananat6628 do you believe In the differences of good actions and bad actions? Do you believe in order? Do you believe for the human race to coexist there must be a understanding of principles and standards to balance the foundation of our society??
@@livingsouloftimestudio2887 I believe in ethics and morality. Someone can attend church and the temple regularly and still be go to church and fake their way into the temple.
@@alananat6628 If someone chooses not to believe in God, that is up to them. But, that doesn't make it a truth. The truth is he does exist. He is a God of order as shown from the cosmos above down to the little flowers below. The human body is a magnificent miracle that scientists have had to spend many many many years putting all their brains together to come up with a robot that acts and looks somewhat like a human, yet they still can't figure out how to make it reproduce. God is there. So, his truth applies to all whether they believe in him or not. But when a bunch of humans gather together under the knowledge that he is there, then contention is generally non-existent. I can say that for sure, because I have experienced that gathering in church and in my neighborhoods when you have a group of believers together. There is a thing called love and service, instead of envy and robbery, or angry contention. It works. Thanks for asking.
@@millenialhymns I think there are universal truths, like be kind to everyone, that sort of thing. But I find all to often certain "truths" can be too easily manipulated by men.
I work to keep the peace until rape, murder, or other serious sentences are placed upon the innocent. The innocent deserve a proxy voice to stand for them. Sis. Nelson is WONDERFUL, and I'm thankful for her msg💜🥰
Thanks for posting this. The first time I heard Wendy Watson speak was Time Out for Women in KC 2005. Such a splendid voice of reason and very grounded in truth.
I am learning just to walk away from contention. That's the best advice: just walk away and find people that think like you. Work with them for the greater good of mankind (incl. the environment and all wonderful fauna). These are good causes for us to put our energy into.
So you should never engage in conversation with someone on a topic you disagree with? How do you grow and learn or even have the possibility of changing your mind?
@@tdubs5128 we should always engage with others, we are all part of the same source are we not?, but the difference is respect and understanding that seems dangerously low these days.......
I love zero contention. Even to the point where I say nothing over things I disagree with. The problem is, it's impossible to stay away from contention when you are surrounded by people who keep wanting to cause problems
The we can be confrontational, without being contentious. Contention comes with hatred in one’s heart while when we confront and are bold it declaring truth we defend the truth like an innocent child. We divert and defend and protect and proclaim, rather than demonize and silence.
@@rachelczumaya2806 living in a world today that attacks you for defending almost every truth, is quite contentious, no matter how sweet you try to say it. And that is a result of the world getting more and more wicked. Even 15 years ago you could say marriage is between a man and a woman, the united states is a beacon of freedom and equality, men don't belong in women's bathrooms or sports, you can't choose your gender, abortion is murder, and many other truths. Today you get cancelled, silenced, labeled a racist or bigot, and could quite possibly lose your job. Hopefully it never gets worse than just losing your job.....
If you say NOTHING, that can be as bad as CONDONING evils ie: murder of children, rape, domestic violence, etc. Father WANTS us to SPEAK UP and OPEN OUR MOUTHS w/o fear. For if He is WITH us, who can be against us?🙏🏻 God bless you
Typical words of light from our cherished prophetess. Incisive, important. She has always given such-even before her marriage to President Nelson (Wendy Watson).
And pride is an illusion....and takes up space. As we strip ourselves of the illusions, we make space for connections, or for hope. Hebrew word, one of them, for hope means cord, which for me means connection. I think of hope as connection, and as we get honest and clear out illusions/pride, we make room for connection. And we make that space for connection a safe place. Contention is likely an effort to maintain the illusions, as we often perceive them as protecting us from something. Its hard to let them go.
This teachings is absolutely align with the teachings of our Savior and Redeemer of the world JESUS CHRIST and Our Advocate to Our Father in Heaven. With gratitude in Our hearts and souls to you Sister Wendy Watson Nelson for your inspirational experiences shared through your Professionals in Teachings, Clinical Practices and Clinical Researches but, Your Role as a Wife and Eternal Companion of Our Beloved Prophet, President Russell Marion Nelson Mother and Grandmother of your Children, Grandchildren and the Church Globally.
Opening space for evangelicals that they may have a better understanding of the Saviors mission than what I learned in the church has led to great joy and increased faith. Thanks Sister Nelson
Hmmmm...zero fatalities? Not likely. Many accidents come about from a fair amount of unexpected things such as heart attacks, Bee stings and others. Can we reduce it? Sure! Zero is unlikely. As it is with contention. Conflict resolution is important but it is influenced by many many issues.
Matt 10:35 “Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. “ Truth comes before relationships with others because God is truth and God comes first, even at the expense of those relationships. “Zero contention” places undue priority on the tribalistic, security-seeking nature of the carnal man in this fallen world.
However you dont go and start arguing over things you disagree about. We are all learning and becoming closer to the Lord a little each day. A person doesn't get better by being attacked and criticized for their weakness every day but by studying scriptures and being loved. The Lord is patient with us, we need to be patient with others.
The lord is patient with us in our journey to truth and perfection. We need to do so with others. Fighting about it instead of respectful conversation will help no one progress and change.
@@tdubs5128 contention is a choice and it's granted by others, if we all had one heart and one mind as the people of zion which is quoted also in the Bible, there would be no such thing. In the end its energy that influences for the worse.
By being of “one heart and one mind”- which isn’t likely to happen any time soon. Until then, trying to eradicate contention is a futile attempt and any attempt made would verge on being authoritarian and stifling for the expression of individual beliefs and alternative viewpoints.
@@yeboscrebo4451 I believe awareness should be made tho so we recognize it and do what we can to avoid it, until we identify it will continue to be a problem.
@@livingsouloftimestudio2887 That’s not what is being advocated though. “Zero contention” is much much more forceful than “try to avoid it”. It seems to me that whats being advocated leads to suppression of discussion and uniformity over diversity of opinion - all for the sake of peace. When Christ said “I am come not to bring peace but a sword....” I think he had this very principle in mind.
So, no Mormon. No Moroni...either of them. No Nephi vs. Laban. No Jesus cleansing the Temple. I agree with the desire to be contention and stress free. But we must also stand for something or we will fall for anything. (See President Hinkley)
There's a difference between CAUSING contention, which none of the individuals you mentioned did, and responding to it. The men you mentioned had to respond to the contention and conflict that they were faced with. None of them went looking for a fight, which is what contentious people do. ALL of the men were responding to contentious actions directed at them and/or their people. It doesn't mean we have to be pacifists. It means we don't CAUSE contention and we don't go looking for a fight. Mormon and his son's people were constantly at war with the Lamanites, because the Lamanites started the fight and wouldn't leave them alone. Captain Moroni was the same scenario. Nephi was totally resistant to killing Laban. An angel commanded him to do it. He was also resistant to the contention his brothers threw his way. Jesus cleansing the temple was not Him running through the temple beating people up and screaming in their faces. I think He was actually pretty calm about it. you can turn over a money changers table and release doves without getting angry. He actually created the whip He used (and He didn't whip people with it), which is a VERY difficult thing to do if you are overcome with anger. There's a huge difference between causing contention and responding to contention directed at you in order to stop it.
The “ox in the mire” principle doesn’t just apply to working on Sunday. Sometimes circumstances change what is most needful at any given time. That is what Nephi’s story is all about as well as the times when war is and is not justified. When Jesus cleansed the temple, he did it in a way that was not contentious, but it was confrontational. The difference is the first holds hatred in one’s heart. The other holds truth and defends truth. It doesn’t demonize another side, but defends the more needful thing.
@@katehill3610 yes, but it is easy sometimes to do what we have been instructed in the Book of Mormon not to do, which is contend with those who contend. There is a time to defend the church and a time to let the mockers mock.
For verily, verily i say unto you, he that hath the spirit of contention is not of me,but is of the devil, who is the father of contention, and stirreth up the hearts of men to contend with anger,one with another!!
This is a perfect example of why the scriptures teach that women should not teach nor usurp authority over us. Wendy’s doctrine, although nice-sounding, is injurious to the religious freedoms our ancestors sacrificed greatly for.
@@yeboscrebo4451 it should be obvious why that’s wrong morally. If gods laws don’t align with what is obviously moral then his laws are worthless and unworthy of respect
@@jacoblynam923 What are you talking about? Lol. Unfortunately, you’ve got it backwards. Morality doesn’t come from what is “obvious” to man. The subjectivity of man is downstream from objective truth or God. There is a reason the scriptures teach of the danger of allowing women authority. Women, and I speak generally here, are divorced from responsibility. You have to have authority coupled with responsibility or you’ve got big problems. Adam was cursed for “hearkening to his wife”. The solution, the way to reverse the curse is to do the opposite.
@@yeboscrebo4451 ok, you’re definitely trolling me. There’s no way you think that little of women. If your god teaches that then I am above your god and I’ll wipe my ass with whatever pages of the Bible hold those teachings.
Personally I feel Wendy speaks from a postmodern framework, without knowing, which asserts that all local cultural knowledges, except for western ideas and values, are valid; and also that intention doesn't matter, it is only the effect that matters. This thinking is very common in academia, and she is an academic. The biologist is using postmodern thought when he coins the term emotional violence. Language is not violence. As Elder Bednar says we choose to be offended. Physical harm and destruction is violence. When defining love we must view people as children of God that require respect but ideas never receive the same respect. Love isn't accepting ALL ideas it is sharing ideas that align with the doctrine of Christ. I know Wendy has good intentions though when she speaks on these topics.
Christ didn't argue with anyone. He said it as it is and went on with life. He is patient with us on our journey. We need to be patient with others as they travel this journey. Helping others to see truth, calmly and respectfully, is necessary. Contention doesn't help anyone change.
What about abortion and the sanctity of life? 😥 If viewpoints do NOT change; innocent lives will continue to be lost. How do we not contend with the adversary’s lies about the worth of a soul and still come out victorious?
Read D&C 88. through the grace of Christ we are saved, those unborn children, and all who have suffered that come unto him. however we should stand for truth and righteousness and defend the lives that matter, i hope we can all join together and be a voice of firmness against this wickedness that's destroying our world.
Definitely, that's why we seek the personal revelation, inspiration and thinking for your self like you just displayed, not giving into generalizations and mainstream world. Agreed.
Why are all the wives of the general authorities given the mic all-of-a-sudden? Members start treating Wendy like the queen of the church. Its weird. Feels eerily like the beginnings of a “royal family” or something.
People will complain that women in the church are oppressed and then complain that it’s a cult when the women start receiving a more powerful voice. You can never win with people whose hearts are ruled more by Lucifer than Jehova 🤷🏼♀️
I'm a Mormon. It's uplifting when we can convince others that how we think and feel is correct and fosters personal happiness. But no one likes what I have to say about the church. And I'm not out to be liked. I believe the Scriptures not man. And if something is taught that can't be verified by Scripture think twice about believing it. I understand why so many people are leaving the church. Many false doctrines exist causing countless videos mocking Mormonism. False doctrines like Mormons becoming gods of their own planets, Adam helped create the earth, Christ and Satan are brothers all of which no Scripture verifies. And many are leaving the church because if you don't fit the mold the church leaders sculpture you're not a part of the click. Mormons believe the church leaders over Scripture. The zealous believers have the church leaders in mind with everything thing they think say and feel testifying to impress others how much they believe the current church leaders are God-inspired. But the Scriptures reveal the church leaders are the problem with the entire planet. For example, in 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 we are informed of a person revealed as the son of perdition. This son of perdition sits in the temple of God making himself God or above all that is called God. Therefore, if the Mormon church is the only true church, and I believe it is and will back that belief using the Scriptures, then the only person 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 could be talking about is the current Mormon prophet. For what other church is the one and only true church with temples? And Joseph Smith taught a son of perdition can only be a church member holding all the rites of God's priesthood and using the priesthood against God as did Judas. Therefore, who else other than the current Mormon prophet could the apostle Paul be speaking of? It's as plain as the nose on a face. And even God in the Doctrine and Covenants tells us about the current church leaders and how displeased He is saying the end of this world will begin among them. (D&C 112:23-26) And the current Mormon prophet is the son of perdition because he has all the saints believing God our Heavenly Father was created by a being greater than Himself. (Hebrews 6:13) Therefore, the son of perdition has all the saints breaking the first commandment God gave Moses, Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Does it make sense to reasonable thinking that God would command we have no other gods before Him but really there are? Does He not want us to know this? There’s a reason He commanded to have no other gods before Him. Because by believing in false grandpa gods the saints believe our God is an infinitely lesser God putting Lucifer before God. And the moment we put a god before our God, our God becomes an infinitely lesser God. Not only that, our God also becomes a liar. He and the Scriptures says He is the greatest of all. He and the Scriptures says He is the Most High God. He and the Scriptures say He created all things. And in the Scriptures He says over and over there are no gods beside Him. (Isaiah 44:6) (Isaiah 44:8) (Isaiah 45:22) (Hebrews 6:13) Therefore, the saints believing there are gods before Him is the saints believing the son of perdition or the current Mormon prophet over the Scriptures and God calling Him and the Scriptures a lie. And Isaiah warns, Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! (Isaiah 5:20) The saints call the son of perdition (President Nelson) good and good (Jesus Christ) evil. Because President Nelson says Christ and His Father are liars. President Nelson says Christ did not create all things. (John 1:1-3) Matter/energy cannot be created or destroyed the scientists say therefore the son of perdition or President Nelson says the grandpa gods created these calling Christ and the Scriptures a lie. Well did Abinadi warn the wicked king Noah and his priests, Have ye taught this people that they should observe to do all these things for to keep these commandments? (Mosiah 13:25) I say unto you, Nay; for if ye had, the Lord would not have caused me to come forth and to prophesy evil concerning this people. (Mosiah 13:26) And what is the commandment Abinadi taught that the people do not obey? Thou shalt have no other God before me. (Mosiah 12:35) Know ye not that I speak the truth? Yea, ye know that I speak the truth; and you ought to tremble before God. (Mosiah 12:30)
@@carjun2 Being a Mormon means I’m a member of the only true Church of Jesus Christ on earth. You call yourself a Christian saying you follow Christ but I will show you you don’t follow Christ because you don’t believe the Book of Mormon or Stick of Joseph as it is revealed in Ezekiel 37. You think you follow Christ but you don’t nor do you have any idea of His Gospel. Please challenge me on this so I can prove it to you. Thank you.
@@paulgreco5419 for one, whenever I see the word “temple” in scripture I understand it to describe any place where the physical houses the sacred or spiritual, not necessarily the brick and mortar building. In fact, the brick and mortar building is a mere representation of the true temple - the physical body. The Religious leaders of Christ’s day didn’t understand that when he spoke of the “temple” he was referring to his body. So, when I read that a son of perdition will sit in the temple I see a different part of the fractal pattern. I see it in a more individually applicable context - that of the body
I have only ever known abuse in the LDS church. When I speak up about it, no one listens. Members make excuses for abuse. Leaders at the pulpit condemn those searching for answers and those speaking out. Wendy, words are just that--words. Until you can preach the gospel as Jesus did, through thoughts, words, AND behavior, they are meaningless.
The church is an organization of people who can be imperfect, however the gospel is christ himself, seek christ don't dwell or focus on those who don't live it. Christ loves you as he does everyone, but we need to seek him truly for us to find him.
I know what you are referring too also, I am sorry you have suffered, but we are all tried even in ways we wouldn't expect, but the key to our salvation is christ, at the end christ will make it right. No one not even those in the church are exempt from his judgement.
@@livingsouloftimestudio2887Does that mean we should let this this continue in the church? Why do members feel ok with letting things like this happen? I know many people believe it's just the predator at fault, but it's not. After my daughter was assaulted by a church leader, I did alot of research. I became an advocate for abuse in the church for 15 years. Yes, i know what the bishops handbook says and current policies are, at least those that are available to members. The first rule of the church has always been to protect the image of the church. To protect the good name of the church. When there is liability, policies are skirted around. So when I hear you say, 'It will be made all right in the end,' I'm hearing, 'I dont want to look into this issue because it makes me uncomfortable, even if children are at risk.''
@@stardustgirl2904 I'm not saying we can't hold the perpetrator accountable. I'm saying we should also hold institutions who hide crimes, dont report crimes, dont follow abuse protocol, dont take accountability for their leaders, hire lawyers to harrass abuse victims and their families, telling victims they should forgive instead of pursuing charges if they want to, telling girls and women they need to repent for being raped, telling women they need to stay with abusive husbands as not to ruin their eternal families(although this was changed very recently), etc, etc, etc. How would this behavior be considered okay if it were ANY OTHER ORGANIZATION??
Zero Contention is a horrible slogan used as a cudgel to silence the the defense of truth. I see it over and over in church meetings, political discussions or the classroom - the very nice-sounding, politically correct, “good-intentioned” lies of the adversary can never be challenged because, the moment they are, the challenger is accused of being “contentious”. Christ himself certainly didn’t shy away from contention when he overturned the tables of the money changers.
@@carjun2 oh right, that’s why Jesus said “hey guys it’s really not a great idea to engage in money changing in the temple - just an idea, thanks”. Sometimes, when others are imposing harmful “ideas” on you, a counter-defensive idea is required or those things turn into harmful actions. If this is contentious, so be it. The North American Man/Boy Love Association wants to normalize pedophilia. What’s your opinion... “exchange ideas”, try to see their point of view? Wouldn’t want to be contentious would we? That’s not the right approach
How is it a cult? Have you been in it? Where you once a member? are you going off what other people say? do you believe in God? Do you find joy in being contentious? Questions questions questions.... hmmmm 🤔
Contention literally makes me ill.
Confrontation is sometimes needed. When done right, it is not contention. We can defend and protect truths without demonization or silencing. Sometimes we must loudly defend, But the motive is love and not hate. And that is the difference.
But keep in mind, your truths are different and no more relevant than the beliefs of others.
@@alananat6628 maybe so but it's these truths that gave us this country and helped us win our freedom. However as of late I wonder if people have forgotten those truths 🤔
@@livingsouloftimestudio2887 Wait, which truths are you talking about?
@@alananat6628 Some people hold beliefs that are wrong. Truth is truth, there is no such thing as “your truth”
@@yeboscrebo4451 What is the truth were talking about? Universal truths like Love one another? They used to call Lamanite dark skin as a curse. That was also the truth, plus a million other similar things. It would just be nice not to have the truth being portrayed as a singular, all inclusive idea, because those ideas change.
This is sooooo good! Can you imagine how wonderful the world would be to live in if we all tried really hard to make this a reality in our lives?
Love!!!
Im so glad she notes her life's work is to HELP people do this, because it's work, its an effort. I love that she notes Its physical. Illl had what we eat also affects our ability to manage our responses. I got all caffeine out of my life to help with this. Im working on healing fatty liver, as I can tell eating high oil and higher fat foods causes me to be less able to manage a trigger and not get upset. The liver filters all hormones, including our stress hormones. Eat clogging foods on an already clogged liver and struggle with excess cortisol. It takes a few years of consistently healthy eating to fully heal the liver,but it will. And a few days does make a difference in ability to handle stressors.
I grew up in an environment where people flying off the handle was a daily occurence. Im doing everything I can to get this out of my life. Its a back and forth process. Especially if I make bad food choices.
Thank you Amy
I heard her speak on the Law of Zero Contention. I hope she writes about about it. The world really needs it. Thank you for sharing this speech. She is an amazing woman of God.
No it really doesnt
She looks like a guardian angel. So awesome.
I think so too ❤️
Seriously? How so?
@@tdubs5128 She worked with the Family Nursing Unit (FNU) at the University of Calgary (U of C) from 1983 to 1992, training graduate students to use family systems therapy with families of patients. Her academic work in articles and in the book Beliefs: The Heart of Healing in Families and Illness helped develop a practical and theoretical framework for family systems nursing.
She has spoken internationally at more than 200 scholarly conferences
And at the end of it all she married into a family of 10 children and her life's work has been on the family 👪
Maybe that's why she's a guardian angel, because she has been serving and helping our world and family's.
Gone fishing do your research and put yourself in her shoes, maybe then you will understand who this woman mother and wife is!
She looks like a weathered human
Conflict is inevitable and necessary. Contention should be avoided. There's a difference.
Yes, well put. Easy to assume acquiescence to dominant voices equals virtue. Also easy to assume she is advocating for this. As she said, having different ideas is good, healthy, and enriching. Acquiescence is not strength. Civil discourse is key. True civility today is thoroughly dismissed as self righteousness. Evil called good and good evil.
....semantics. There’s a time and place for contention just like everything else.
Thank you Sister Watson for the wonderful illustration on how to avoid contention.
Brilliant and honest. Emotional violence gives birth to toxicity.
It is always a joy to listen to sister Nelson’s talks.
Thank you for uploading. 🍃
Emotional violence happens all the time in church.
@@alananat6628 if your referring to imperfect people then yes there will be, focus on christ for yourself the journey is individual not group wise, gain your testimony for yourself ignore the tares of the church. When you find him, nothing else will matter around you that feels contentious, christ is peace. God bless
@@livingsouloftimestudio2887 I think might be talking about actual members by the sound of it. I'm talking about the damage members and nonmembers have received from bad policies, retracted teachings and doctrine, the refusal of leaders to apologize when people are negatively impacted by these things. Imperfection is different than being deliberate.
“Emotional violence” is a dangerous idea. There is no way to qualify or quantify such a thing. Actual violence is demonstrable, but when someone commits “emotional violence” against another, calls someone a name for example, how would you determine the severity of that action? Sounds like bottomless can of worms to me. Its far better to teach “sticks and stones” and encourage resiliency of character.
@@yeboscrebo4451 When the church education teaches young girls they are like "chewed-up gum" or "licked cupcakes" if they experienced sexual issues, would you consider that inducing good moral character? I can tell you when that lesson went out, sexual abuse survivors took it hard, even Elizabeth Smart.
Or what about when President Kimball promised Native Americans their skin would literally turn white if they joined the church? Many natives spent many years wondering why their skin turn white and felt unworthy or unloved by God, or that He didn't keep his promises. Did that create good moral character?
This is what I'm talking about. Institutional wrongs, not hurt feelings from a member saying they look fat in a dress.
Just listened yesterday to Arun Gandhi's talk at BYU in 1999 which noted "passive" violence. This is a welcome expansion!
Wonderful talk sister Nelson.
There is one correct view -God's view. If we align with him, we will find peace. And that alignment can happen for all of us, thus bringing unity. 👍
And if someone doesn't believe in God? Your belief in God doesn't negate the belief of others.
@@alananat6628 do you believe In the differences of good actions and bad actions? Do you believe in order? Do you believe for the human race to coexist there must be a understanding of principles and standards to balance the foundation of our society??
@@livingsouloftimestudio2887 I believe in ethics and morality. Someone can attend church and the temple regularly and still be go to church and fake their way into the temple.
@@alananat6628 If someone chooses not to believe in God, that is up to them. But, that doesn't make it a truth. The truth is he does exist. He is a God of order as shown from the cosmos above down to the little flowers below. The human body is a magnificent miracle that scientists have had to spend many many many years putting all their brains together to come up with a robot that acts and looks somewhat like a human, yet they still can't figure out how to make it reproduce. God is there. So, his truth applies to all whether they believe in him or not. But when a bunch of humans gather together under the knowledge that he is there, then contention is generally non-existent. I can say that for sure, because I have experienced that gathering in church and in my neighborhoods when you have a group of believers together. There is a thing called love and service, instead of envy and robbery, or angry contention. It works. Thanks for asking.
@@millenialhymns I think there are universal truths, like be kind to everyone, that sort of thing. But I find all to often certain "truths" can be too easily manipulated by men.
I work to keep the peace until rape, murder, or other serious sentences are placed upon the innocent. The innocent deserve a proxy voice to stand for them.
Sis. Nelson is WONDERFUL, and I'm thankful for her msg💜🥰
Amen. We need to balance standing for truth and living by Christ's grace.
The time to stand up is waaaaay before it ever gets to rape, murder or abuse of the innocent. That’s why “zero contention” is nonsense.
Thanks for posting this. The first time I heard Wendy Watson speak was Time Out for Women in KC 2005. Such a splendid voice of reason and very grounded in truth.
We can “disagree without being disagreeable”
I am learning just to walk away from contention. That's the best advice: just walk away and find people that think like you. Work with them for the greater good of mankind (incl. the environment and all wonderful fauna). These are good causes for us to put our energy into.
So you should never engage in conversation with someone on a topic you disagree with? How do you grow and learn or even have the possibility of changing your mind?
Walking away from contention is smart. Good idea and is what I do.
@@tdubs5128 we should always engage with others, we are all part of the same source are we not?, but the difference is respect and understanding that seems dangerously low these days.......
This just popped up. So impressed!
This is SUCH a needed message in every heart and home...mine included!
Thanks for posting this
I love zero contention. Even to the point where I say nothing over things I disagree with. The problem is, it's impossible to stay away from contention when you are surrounded by people who keep wanting to cause problems
The we can be confrontational, without being contentious. Contention comes with hatred in one’s heart while when we confront and are bold it declaring truth we defend the truth like an innocent child. We divert and defend and protect and proclaim, rather than demonize and silence.
@@rachelczumaya2806 living in a world today that attacks you for defending almost every truth, is quite contentious, no matter how sweet you try to say it. And that is a result of the world getting more and more wicked. Even 15 years ago you could say marriage is between a man and a woman, the united states is a beacon of freedom and equality, men don't belong in women's bathrooms or sports, you can't choose your gender, abortion is murder, and many other truths. Today you get cancelled, silenced, labeled a racist or bigot, and could quite possibly lose your job. Hopefully it never gets worse than just losing your job.....
@@natbc9301 😏 I say it ANYWAY!
If you say NOTHING, that can be as bad as CONDONING evils ie: murder of children, rape, domestic violence, etc. Father WANTS us to SPEAK UP and OPEN OUR MOUTHS w/o fear.
For if He is WITH us, who can be against us?🙏🏻 God bless you
That's very hard, worse when they are prople you love, despite of themselves....
Illuminating. Thank you
Typical words of light from our cherished prophetess. Incisive, important. She has always given such-even before her marriage to President Nelson (Wendy Watson).
Prophetess?! Haha jeesh
And pride is an illusion....and takes up space. As we strip ourselves of the illusions, we make space for connections, or for hope. Hebrew word, one of them, for hope means cord, which for me means connection. I think of hope as connection, and as we get honest and clear out illusions/pride, we make room for connection. And we make that space for connection a safe place. Contention is likely an effort to maintain the illusions, as we often perceive them as protecting us from something. Its hard to let them go.
Beautiful truths we can use to change ourselves and the world!
Thank HEAVENLY FATHER and our BELOVED HOLY HEAVENLY MOTHER, for Sister NELSON'S encouraging message.
Thankyou Sister Nelson, I agree contention is poisonous.
We need to love more and turn away from contention.
Wonderful uplifting talk
"Turn it off, like a light switch"
This is the blind leading the blind
I love it! Help me understand.... Show me what you see....
I love it so much!
This teachings is absolutely align with the teachings of our Savior and Redeemer of the world JESUS CHRIST and Our Advocate to Our Father in Heaven. With gratitude in Our hearts and souls to you Sister Wendy Watson Nelson for your inspirational experiences shared through your Professionals in Teachings, Clinical Practices and Clinical Researches but, Your Role as a Wife and Eternal Companion of Our Beloved Prophet, President Russell Marion Nelson Mother and Grandmother of your Children, Grandchildren and the Church Globally.
It is not in line with the saviors teachings in my opinion
Wise words, dear Sister! ❤👏
Opening space for evangelicals that they may have a better understanding of the Saviors mission than what I learned in the church has led to great joy and increased faith. Thanks Sister Nelson
A marvelous talk!
I need to listen through a few times...l have not quite got this...sounds interesting..
Boo YAW! PREACH, Sister!
Fantastic speech! Thanks for sharing!
Hmmmm...zero fatalities? Not likely. Many accidents come about from a fair amount of unexpected things such as heart attacks, Bee stings and others. Can we reduce it? Sure! Zero is unlikely. As it is with contention. Conflict resolution is important but it is influenced by many many issues.
Thank you for sharing this powerful message from Sister Wendy Nelson, how different the world would be if we practiced this in our day to day living
❤️🙏❤️
Like, forcing masks and vaccines, thank you for clarifying.
Matt 10:35 “Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. “
Truth comes before relationships with others because God is truth and God comes first, even at the expense of those relationships. “Zero contention” places undue priority on the tribalistic, security-seeking nature of the carnal man in this fallen world.
However you dont go and start arguing over things you disagree about. We are all learning and becoming closer to the Lord a little each day. A person doesn't get better by being attacked and criticized for their weakness every day but by studying scriptures and being loved. The Lord is patient with us, we need to be patient with others.
The lord is patient with us in our journey to truth and perfection. We need to do so with others. Fighting about it instead of respectful conversation will help no one progress and change.
I adore Sister Nelson so much. I would love to meet her, sit with her and just, listen.
Hermoso y valioso mensaje ⭐
Zero contention. This is something to definitely consider. How we can remove it from our lives.
You can't really expect to live a life without some contention. We are to even contend for our faith.
@@tdubs5128 contention is a choice and it's granted by others, if we all had one heart and one mind as the people of zion which is quoted also in the Bible, there would be no such thing. In the end its energy that influences for the worse.
By being of “one heart and one mind”- which isn’t likely to happen any time soon. Until then, trying to eradicate contention is a futile attempt and any attempt made would verge on being authoritarian and stifling for the expression of individual beliefs and alternative viewpoints.
@@yeboscrebo4451 I believe awareness should be made tho so we recognize it and do what we can to avoid it, until we identify it will continue to be a problem.
@@livingsouloftimestudio2887 That’s not what is being advocated though. “Zero contention” is much much more forceful than “try to avoid it”. It seems to me that whats being advocated leads to suppression of discussion and uniformity over diversity of opinion - all for the sake of peace. When Christ said “I am come not to bring peace but a sword....” I think he had this very principle in mind.
How curious that when you add ion to the word content, it reverses its meaning...
What is Righteous indignation then?
let me know when ...and hurry up..running out time.
So, no Mormon. No Moroni...either of them. No Nephi vs. Laban. No Jesus cleansing the Temple.
I agree with the desire to be contention and stress free.
But we must also stand for something or we will fall for anything. (See President Hinkley)
There's a difference between CAUSING contention, which none of the individuals you mentioned did, and responding to it. The men you mentioned had to respond to the contention and conflict that they were faced with. None of them went looking for a fight, which is what contentious people do. ALL of the men were responding to contentious actions directed at them and/or their people. It doesn't mean we have to be pacifists. It means we don't CAUSE contention and we don't go looking for a fight. Mormon and his son's people were constantly at war with the Lamanites, because the Lamanites started the fight and wouldn't leave them alone. Captain Moroni was the same scenario. Nephi was totally resistant to killing Laban. An angel commanded him to do it. He was also resistant to the contention his brothers threw his way. Jesus cleansing the temple was not Him running through the temple beating people up and screaming in their faces. I think He was actually pretty calm about it. you can turn over a money changers table and release doves without getting angry. He actually created the whip He used (and He didn't whip people with it), which is a VERY difficult thing to do if you are overcome with anger. There's a huge difference between causing contention and responding to contention directed at you in order to stop it.
The “ox in the mire” principle doesn’t just apply to working on Sunday. Sometimes circumstances change what is most needful at any given time. That is what Nephi’s story is all about as well as the times when war is and is not justified. When Jesus cleansed the temple, he did it in a way that was not contentious, but it was confrontational. The difference is the first holds hatred in one’s heart. The other holds truth and defends truth. It doesn’t demonize another side, but defends the more needful thing.
You are right Martel. Standing with truth is most important. 👍👍 If we all stood with truth we would be at one.
Confronting evil isn’t the same as engaging in contention
@@katehill3610 yes, but it is easy sometimes to do what we have been instructed in the Book of Mormon not to do, which is contend with those who contend. There is a time to defend the church and a time to let the mockers mock.
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For verily, verily i say unto you, he that hath the spirit of contention is not of me,but is of the devil, who is the father of contention, and stirreth up the hearts of men to contend with anger,one with another!!
This is a perfect example of why the scriptures teach that women should not teach nor usurp authority over us. Wendy’s doctrine, although nice-sounding, is injurious to the religious freedoms our ancestors sacrificed greatly for.
Yikes
@@jacoblynam923 nice argument!
@@yeboscrebo4451 it should be obvious why that’s wrong morally. If gods laws don’t align with what is obviously moral then his laws are worthless and unworthy of respect
@@jacoblynam923 What are you talking about? Lol. Unfortunately, you’ve got it backwards. Morality doesn’t come from what is “obvious” to man. The subjectivity of man is downstream from objective truth or God. There is a reason the scriptures teach of the danger of allowing women authority. Women, and I speak generally here, are divorced from responsibility. You have to have authority coupled with responsibility or you’ve got big problems. Adam was cursed for “hearkening to his wife”. The solution, the way to reverse the curse is to do the opposite.
@@yeboscrebo4451 ok, you’re definitely trolling me. There’s no way you think that little of women. If your god teaches that then I am above your god and I’ll wipe my ass with whatever pages of the Bible hold those teachings.
Personally I feel Wendy speaks from a postmodern framework, without knowing, which asserts that all local cultural knowledges, except for western ideas and values, are valid; and also that intention doesn't matter, it is only the effect that matters. This thinking is very common in academia, and she is an academic. The biologist is using postmodern thought when he coins the term emotional violence. Language is not violence. As Elder Bednar says we choose to be offended. Physical harm and destruction is violence. When defining love we must view people as children of God that require respect but ideas never receive the same respect. Love isn't accepting ALL ideas it is sharing ideas that align with the doctrine of Christ. I know Wendy has good intentions though when she speaks on these topics.
Yes, her ideas here are dangerous and not helpful.
Yep
Great message.
Sunday nght - June 6, 2021.
Christ didn't argue with anyone. He said it as it is and went on with life. He is patient with us on our journey. We need to be patient with others as they travel this journey. Helping others to see truth, calmly and respectfully, is necessary. Contention doesn't help anyone change.
He also didn’t seem to argue when he was tried by the law and then executed. Is that what you would do as well?
What about abortion and the sanctity of life? 😥 If viewpoints do NOT change; innocent lives will continue to be lost. How do we not contend with the adversary’s lies about the worth of a soul and still come out victorious?
Read D&C 88.
through the grace of Christ we are saved, those unborn children, and all who have suffered that come unto him. however we should stand for truth and righteousness and defend the lives that matter, i hope we can all join together and be a voice of firmness against this wickedness that's destroying our world.
Use powerful words of love in the debate showing love.
Definitely, that's why we seek the personal revelation, inspiration and thinking for your self like you just displayed, not giving into generalizations and mainstream world. Agreed.
Is disagreement considered contentious? For example, I disagree that the lds church is God's church. Is this considered contentious?
That's considered your opinion that's not contentious, contentious is causing more action to harm.
Thank you for making the point. Disagreement is not contention.
Contention is of the devil, all in favor say I
For all my non God believing people contention causes problems all in favor say I
“Emotional violence”? Seriously?
Yep, TSCC uses it A LOT.
@@monocharismatic are you an emotional victim?
Why are all the wives of the general authorities given the mic all-of-a-sudden? Members start treating Wendy like the queen of the church. Its weird. Feels eerily like the beginnings of a “royal family” or something.
The content of the message was beautiful and uplifting. 😊🙏🏽❤️
@@angelamoffo7339 how so?
People will complain that women in the church are oppressed and then complain that it’s a cult when the women start receiving a more powerful voice. You can never win with people whose hearts are ruled more by Lucifer than Jehova 🤷🏼♀️
@@GreatRemembrance Those aren’t the same people, lol.
I'm a Mormon.
It's uplifting when we can convince others that how we think and feel is correct and fosters personal happiness.
But no one likes what I have to say about the church.
And I'm not out to be liked.
I believe the Scriptures not man.
And if something is taught that can't be verified by Scripture think twice about believing it.
I understand why so many people are leaving the church.
Many false doctrines exist causing countless videos mocking Mormonism.
False doctrines like Mormons becoming gods of their own planets, Adam helped create the earth, Christ and Satan are brothers all of which no Scripture verifies.
And many are leaving the church because if you don't fit the mold the church leaders sculpture you're not a part of the click.
Mormons believe the church leaders over Scripture.
The zealous believers have the church leaders in mind with everything thing they think say and feel testifying to impress others how much they believe the current church leaders are God-inspired.
But the Scriptures reveal the church leaders are the problem with the entire planet.
For example,
in 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 we are informed of a person revealed as the son of perdition.
This son of perdition sits in the temple of God making himself God or above all that is called God.
Therefore, if the Mormon church is the only true church, and I believe it is and will back that belief using the Scriptures, then the only person 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 could be talking about is the current Mormon prophet.
For what other church is the one and only true church with temples?
And Joseph Smith taught a son of perdition can only be a church member holding all the rites of God's priesthood and using the priesthood against God as did Judas.
Therefore, who else other than the current Mormon prophet could the apostle Paul be speaking of?
It's as plain as the nose on a face.
And even God in the Doctrine and Covenants tells us about the current church leaders and how displeased He is saying the end of this world will begin among them. (D&C 112:23-26)
And the current Mormon prophet is the son of perdition because he has all the saints believing God our Heavenly Father was created by a being greater than Himself. (Hebrews 6:13)
Therefore, the son of perdition has all the saints breaking the first commandment God gave Moses, Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Does it make sense to reasonable thinking that God would command we have no other gods before Him but really there are?
Does He not want us to know this?
There’s a reason He commanded to have no other gods before Him.
Because by believing in false grandpa gods the saints believe our God is an infinitely lesser God putting Lucifer before God.
And the moment we put a god before our God, our God becomes an infinitely lesser God.
Not only that, our God also becomes a liar.
He and the Scriptures says He is the greatest of all.
He and the Scriptures says He is the Most High God.
He and the Scriptures say He created all things.
And in the Scriptures He says over and over there are no gods beside Him. (Isaiah 44:6) (Isaiah 44:8) (Isaiah 45:22) (Hebrews 6:13)
Therefore, the saints believing there are gods before Him is the saints believing the son of perdition or the current Mormon prophet over the Scriptures and God calling Him and the Scriptures a lie.
And Isaiah warns,
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! (Isaiah 5:20)
The saints call the son of perdition (President Nelson) good and good (Jesus Christ) evil.
Because President Nelson says Christ and His Father are liars.
President Nelson says Christ did not create all things. (John 1:1-3)
Matter/energy cannot be created or destroyed the scientists say therefore the son of perdition or President Nelson says the grandpa gods created these calling Christ and the Scriptures a lie.
Well did Abinadi warn the wicked king Noah and his priests,
Have ye taught this people that they should observe to do all these things for to keep these commandments? (Mosiah 13:25)
I say unto you, Nay; for if ye had, the Lord would not have caused me to come forth and to prophesy evil concerning this people. (Mosiah 13:26)
And what is the commandment Abinadi taught that the people do not obey?
Thou shalt have no other God before me. (Mosiah 12:35)
Know ye not that I speak the truth? Yea, ye know that I speak the truth; and you ought to tremble before God. (Mosiah 12:30)
Being a Mormon means you follow Mormon. We are Christians because we follow Christ. He is our foundation. Our rock.
Interesting perspective. I think a few of your ideas are built on false premises, however. I do agree with many of your points though.
@@carjun2 Being a Mormon means I’m a member of the only true Church of Jesus Christ on earth.
You call yourself a Christian saying you follow Christ but I will show you you don’t follow Christ because you don’t believe the Book of Mormon or Stick of Joseph as it is revealed in Ezekiel 37.
You think you follow Christ but you don’t nor do you have any idea of His Gospel.
Please challenge me on this so I can prove it to you.
Thank you.
@@yeboscrebo4451 What are your ideas of the false premises?
@@paulgreco5419 for one, whenever I see the word “temple” in scripture I understand it to describe any place where the physical houses the sacred or spiritual, not necessarily the brick and mortar building. In fact, the brick and mortar building is a mere representation of the true temple - the physical body. The Religious leaders of Christ’s day didn’t understand that when he spoke of the “temple” he was referring to his body. So, when I read that a son of perdition will sit in the temple I see a different part of the fractal pattern. I see it in a more individually applicable context - that of the body
I have only ever known abuse in the LDS church. When I speak up about it, no one listens. Members make excuses for abuse. Leaders at the pulpit condemn those searching for answers and those speaking out. Wendy, words are just that--words. Until you can preach the gospel as Jesus did, through thoughts, words, AND behavior, they are meaningless.
The church is an organization of people who can be imperfect, however the gospel is christ himself, seek christ don't dwell or focus on those who don't live it. Christ loves you as he does everyone, but we need to seek him truly for us to find him.
I know what you are referring too also, I am sorry you have suffered, but we are all tried even in ways we wouldn't expect, but the key to our salvation is christ, at the end christ will make it right. No one not even those in the church are exempt from his judgement.
@@livingsouloftimestudio2887Does that mean we should let this this continue in the church? Why do members feel ok with letting things like this happen? I know many people believe it's just the predator at fault, but it's not. After my daughter was assaulted by a church leader, I did alot of research. I became an advocate for abuse in the church for 15 years. Yes, i know what the bishops handbook says and current policies are, at least those that are available to members. The first rule of the church has always been to protect the image of the church. To protect the good name of the church. When there is liability, policies are skirted around. So when I hear you say, 'It will be made all right in the end,' I'm hearing, 'I dont want to look into this issue because it makes me uncomfortable, even if children are at risk.''
@@alananat6628 In my opinion, we can't hold the church accountable for the behavior of another! The gospel is perfect ❤️ but people aren't!
@@stardustgirl2904 I'm not saying we can't hold the perpetrator accountable. I'm saying we should also hold institutions who hide crimes, dont report crimes, dont follow abuse protocol, dont take accountability for their leaders, hire lawyers to harrass abuse victims and their families, telling victims they should forgive instead of pursuing charges if they want to, telling girls and women they need to repent for being raped, telling women they need to stay with abusive husbands as not to ruin their eternal families(although this was changed very recently), etc, etc, etc.
How would this behavior be considered okay if it were ANY OTHER ORGANIZATION??
I have to draw my line in the sand. Is a clown lol
Zero Contention is a horrible slogan used as a cudgel to silence the the defense of truth. I see it over and over in church meetings, political discussions or the classroom - the very nice-sounding, politically correct, “good-intentioned” lies of the adversary can never be challenged because, the moment they are, the challenger is accused of being “contentious”. Christ himself certainly didn’t shy away from contention when he overturned the tables of the money changers.
Christ had righteous anger not contention
@@Lee21923 haha oh, ok
I disagree, Contention is fighting. It is not necessary in order to communicate, teach, exchange ideas.
@@carjun2 oh right, that’s why Jesus said “hey guys it’s really not a great idea to engage in money changing in the temple - just an idea, thanks”. Sometimes, when others are imposing harmful “ideas” on you, a counter-defensive idea is required or those things turn into harmful actions. If this is contentious, so be it. The North American Man/Boy Love Association wants to normalize pedophilia. What’s your opinion... “exchange ideas”, try to see their point of view? Wouldn’t want to be contentious would we? That’s not the right approach
Sweet, sweet, sweet, until you think for yourself, refuse the gaslighting, then watch the passive aggressive or pure out contempt in this cult
How is it a cult? Have you been in it? Where you once a member? are you going off what other people say? do you believe in God? Do you find joy in being contentious? Questions questions questions.... hmmmm 🤔