The Systemic Abuse of Celebrities
Vložit
- čas přidán 11. 06. 2024
- Use code BROEY12 to get up to 12 FREE MEALS across your first 4 HelloFresh boxes, including free shipping on your first box at bit.ly/3fKUEr9
Intro/Outro song: Montana Tucker - Lucky (Britney Spears over)
• Montana Tucker | Lucky...
You're Wrong About episode:
podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast...
Patreon: / broeydeschanel
Instagram: / broey_deschanel
Twitter: / deschanelbroey
Citations (in order of appearance):
Rojek, Chris. Celebrity, Reaktion Books (2001).
Spears, Britney, Spears Lynne, and Sheryl Berk. Britney Spears’s Heart to Heart. New York: Three Rivers Press, (2000).
Alter, Jonathan. “Princess Diana: Her Children, Her Love Life and Her Affect on a Generation” Newsweek (2007)
Musial, Jennifer. "We're Country": Britney Spears, Southern White Femininity, and the American Dream, Feminist Formations (2019)
Luckett, Moya. "Toxic: the implosion of Britney Spears's star image." Velvet Light Trap 65 (2010): 39+. Business Insights: Global. (2021)
Meyers, Erin. ‘‘Can You Handle My Truth?’’: Authenticity and the Celebrity Star Image (2009)
Sessums, Kevin. Miley Cyrus: 'I Know Who I Am Now' Parade (2010)
Tolentino, Jia. Selena Gomez on Politics, Faith, and Making the Music of Her Career. Vogue (2021).
Haskell, Rob. "Selena Gomez on Instagram Fatigue, Good Mental Health, and Stepping Back From the Limelight" Vogue (2017).
Schumer, Amy. "Selena Gomez and Amy Schumer Discuss the Stuff That Matters (And Some Stuff That Doesn’t)" Interview Magazine (2020)
Turner, Graeme, Understanding Celebrity, SAGE Publications (2014)
Johnson, Richard. “Exemplary differences: Mourning (and not mourning) a princess” Routledge (1999).
Turner, Graeme, Understanding Celebrity, SAGE Publications (2014).
Giles, David C. Twenty-First Century Celebrity: Fame in Digital Culture, Emerald Publishing (2018)
Jerslev, Anne. “In The Time of the Microcelebrity Celebrification and the CZcamsr Zoella” International Journal of Communication (2016).
Nunn and Biressi, ‘A trust betrayed’: celebrity and the work of emotion” Celebrity Studies (2010). - Zábava
Hello! My friend Hannah and I started a podcast :) it's called Rehash, and it's all about social media phenomenons that once took the world by storm, only to be quickly forgotten! We're releasing episodes weekly, which you can find here (and wherever you get your podcasts): anchor.fm/rehashpodcast
I'd like your take on the new developments with Meghan and Harry on your podcast! Loved the Lindsay Ellis episode!
Selena Gomez needs more moments like her smoking weed on camera with Kid Cudi.
Broey Deschanel ummm,accchually... 36:40 it is acceptable in other context. For example - doctors, treat your patients with kindness. without them, you wouldn't have a job. Restaurant owners - make sure your customers are treated well. without them your business will coIIapse.
You are soo fine Broey
Broey, this SO needed to be said!! We love them to make them famous, then eat and destroy them. I feel sorry for most famous people. The best thing is to be rich and NOT famous. The next is to be rich and famous. The worst is to be famous and not rich. You are just rat food.
Moral of the story : Justin Timberlake is the villain in everyone’s story.
He just keeps getting worse....
For real though.
agreed
I truly despise him
i liked a few of his solo songs but damn he always had a punchable face since i saw him as a kid when hes still part of n'sync.. bsb 4 life lmao
How sick is hollywood to portray a real person's mental health and personal life as a mere prop on a game show. Like that really disgusted me. Britney deserved better.
Or the jokes that Monica Lewinsky or Tonya Harding were the subjects of on late night for about a decade. At that point both were holed up in their homes with no income. Meanwhile Harvey Weinstein and Jeffrey Epstein were on a crime spree around NY or LA with no comment from Leno or Letterman.
@@emmy8526 I wonder what the difference is? Hmmm I wonder what it could be? What makes Tanya and Monica a target but lets Harvey and Jefrey off the hook? It's a mystery I guess 😂😂😂😭😭😭
@@ruaoneill9050 hmmmmmm 🤔
Hollywood is the epitome of evil.
this is exactly what I was thinking, very well put. the dehumanization that requires is appalling to say the least
We all say "If Britney survived 2007 i can survive xyz", but i would not have survived what shes gone through. This woman has gone through pure hell and shes still getting up every morning to gain her freedom back. She deserves respect just for that. It breaks my heart.
Most people have no idea of what it takes to be a sought after entertainer and how difficult it is. They just think it's glamour and riches, so everything's fine. Pffft!
I agree. A lot of people would not have survived 13 years of literal slave imprisonment!!!
@@annnee6818 IKR.
@@annnee6818 BTW get lost nuisance CZcamsr. Thanks, girl.
Let's forget her dark past. Thanks, girl.
Nothing like what happened to Britney has ever happened to anyone else. The girl was hounded mercilessly and driven to a mental breakdown. It was like a stoning in public. For her to still even have love for humanity and a love of life shows just how strong she is.
Yes apart from her male counter part MJ 😪
Whitney Houston and Robert Downey Jr. too.
Agree with you, is sick how they all behaved and then had and still have the audacity to blame it all on her as if she ever had control. I think that the only next target after her has been Justin Bieber. Damn if that kid wasn't attacked, stalked and degraded since his day one. Only difference is that he's a boy and came to the industry barely before the streaming/tech era started. Like right after they broke Britney in 2007, by 2009 JB was already media's new target: fresh naive flesh to tear down also at a young age. And they also broke him by the time he hit 20yrs. Public and media are mf sick when it comes about children who worked their ass off to make their dreams come true and without even intendingnit, became the "American dream". They'll hate no matter what 😒💔
@@maquin5588 Lindsay Lohan and Amanda Bynes too. BTW not all young stars mess up.
Thanks, dude.
Britney is OK now, Harley Quinn. Let's move on from her dark past, girl.
I think this is why the Gorillaz are so interesting to me. By using fictional character they are completely detaching themselves from the celebrity culture while still being able to make their art and having it broadcasted to millions of people.
Same with Daft Punk.
especially cuz one of the founders damon albarn was rlly in the british press n media w his previous band blur in the 90s !!
I mean there are so some obsessed Damon Albarn fans out there, me lol 😂
@@gabiocampos yeah not saying there aren't my boyfriend's one of them lol. But it has made it easier for him to have a personal life out of the spotlight
I always thought Lady Gaga was so thoroughly costumed in the early stages of her career for the same reason. In 2009-10 she still probably could have just walked about her normal life as Stefani. Nobody really knew what she actually looked like.
A good example of "manufactured authenticity" are these vogue 73 questions interviews imo.
100%
Yes I hate those!! They're so obviously fake
the parodies as well
The ASAP Rocky/Rihanna Vogue interview was so cringe worthy & corny, contrived to me. Smh didn't even watch it all
LOL. Yeah. Taylor Swift did a decent and playfully highlighted the fact that it was meticulously scripted, “Oh look. Here’s my MTV award.”
That whole “fame is abuse” line got me because just yesterday I saw a video of Miley Cyrus on Facebook where she was going out to greet & take pics with a big crowd of fans behind a metal gate, and one of the fans kept like touching/brushing her hair as if she’s a horse or something. Miley didn’t even react, but it struck me as odd. So I commented on the video saying how weird that was to me and someone responded back saying “it’s not weird it’s admiration.” So your line “fame is abuse” really reminded me of that. It just made me so uncomfortable but Miley didn’t even flinch which made me believe she’s probably used to be treated like that :/
You do not touch someone without their explicit permission, Miley Cyrus does not have to tolerate that at all.
@@voluntarism335 Yeah, but it must have happened a lot to a point that she got tired of even fighting it off.
The fact that someone has been conditioned to accept strangers violating their personal space without so much as batting an eye is just heartbreaking.
You losers defending celebrities is insane; almost all of them are abusers, almost all of them are part of the elite, brainwashing the young into mass degeneracy and other vices.... but oh no, these ultra wealthy p*d*ph*les got 'abused....'
This video, and a lot of you people commenting, are absolutely vile and disgusting for defending celebrities
Touching people without their consent isn't admiration, wtf?? It's rude boundary crossing, and super entitled. That's so gross
It's also important to note that Selena Gomez and Miley Cyrus come from different backgrounds, Miley's family background offers her a bit of security so she can take risks while Selena's does not . Selena has to maintain a certain image to continue to work and remain in the same circles therefore everything has to go through a filter.
I think as well with the images they have created, miley can now afford to take risks as taking risks is part of her brand. Even if something ‘flops’ or creates backlash, it won’t really be shocking. Whereas, Selena’s whole brand is pretty ‘safe’ so doing something majorly different/ edgy would be so much more risky and shocking.
imo it can also be seen in their music. miley is really experimental with her music trying lots of genres, and her highs are high and critically acclaimed. her lows are LOW and considered flops. selena's music... well i know she has her fans but critically speaking, it's pretty eh.
Our culture has an *entitlement* problem. We treat customer service people the same way, demanding they be beholden to whatever we ask because we spend money on the company they represent or the service they offer. We need to treat all people like humans, especially in a business context-not chattel, not merchandise, not our therapists, not our friends.
This is it. Entitlement.
@Wise Acres 'Hello Fence Post' those CSRs are still humans with boundaries. Just because they represent another entity doesn’t mean that they are relinquishing their humanity by entering into that agreement. Functionally, we have the same entitlement towards public figures because we say that they’ve signed away their right to privacy, to boundaries, to their own humanity in choosing to become a public figure. Our expectations of people in the service industry is a reflection of entrenched entitlement. Perhaps your expectations are influenced by the normalization of violating boundaries and projecting our emotions onto others rather than taking responsibility for our own emotions and problems. We all suffer from that. And eventually, we will all have to deal with the personal manifestations of these internalized cultural norms. Unfortunately, it won’t be comfortable.
entitlement and dehumanization enabled and encouraged by a capitalist society
@@copiumforthepeople for sure. :/
i blame technology. technology gives us everything instantly and if when the wifi goes out or instagram goes down, people freak out as if their lives don’t exist without their phone or technology. just a theory, but i agree about entitlement completely, there is zero patience.
Jesus, Britney being called fat when she looked completely normal was so heartbreaking
that legit grossed me out Joel whatever his last name is needs to GTFO
She wouldn't deserve abuse if she was fat. That is disgusting. Try to examine your fatphobia.
Nobody was being fatphobic- yeah she wouldnt deserve the abuse even if she was fat but she isnt fat either way- its still mean to call someone something theyre not, especially when it can drag them down- being called something you dont wanna be called is an insult as it is. Some ppl wanna be called skinny and others see it as an insult, some ppl like to be called short and some dont- but nobody here was being fatphobic- no matter what her body looks like or what she herself looks like, she doesnt deserve the abuse- period
The few clips I’ve seen make me suspect that Joel McHale actually IS the character he plays in “Ted”.
I know I now hate Joel for saying that. He’s canceled.
i can’t help but cry when i delve too deep into Britney Spears and her media treatment. the fact that she never ended her own life is kind of insane to me but I’ve very glad she’s still here
Lindsay Lohan too. I mean, the media's greediness and misogyny habit is the main reason they fell from grace.
The fact the common man doesn't end his life due to the capitalist class crushing all humanity is insane to me.... oh wait, they do end their lives.
@@pyropulseIXXI yeah, as britney said, celebrities are still people just like you and i, that's the point.. what exactly were you trying to say? some celebrities end their lives, and some common folk do as well..?
@@Pauliex33 Mental health is now being taken seriously.
My jaw dropped when that lady said what she said about Britney & her kids. I can’t believe that was viewed as ‘okay’
That was Sarah Silverman. She's made a career out of being insufferably crass and 'edgy.'
@@snoopysnacks She at least apologized in '21.
This part where Miley says that she's not 12 anymore because people decide things for her makes me realize why the entertainment industry loves child stars...
@Yummy Luv ???
Ikr I love her. I’m so glad she’s so authentic with herself now. She’s such a daddy ✋
thats certainly one of the reasons
spirit cooking...
Miley was the BIGGEST child star at the time, her familial support is honestly what I think saved her from a complete breakdown. I don’t know how I would handle that sort of attention/criticism, while my brain is still forming, by millions of people.
It doesn’t sit well with me that Brittney was so scrutinized for sleeping with Justin and he got off scot free. I understand she said she would practice abstinence but still, people change there minds, I just hope people can be more understanding.
And he got off scot free for nipplegate too!!!
The fact that her virginity was even a topic of public discourse was a problem in itself.
According to patriarchal sexist dictates, it made him a player; she went straight from virginity to promiscuity apparently.
The whole abstinence thing was probably pushed on her by her management to maintain her image.
He’s a culture vulture who needs to be banned by the black community
People: "money doesn't buy you happiness"
Also people: "these celebrities are so rich. How can they be depressed?"
@@walspurgisnacht Tell that to Robin Williams, oh wait.... you can't :(
well i think the answer is pretty fucking obvious. and keep in mind this papparazi bullshit all started becoming a trend with princess diana just before she wound up wearing a mercedes to the cemetary
People don't know what to believe. They'll say one thing, but their actions will say the opposite. They use celebrities being rich as an excuse to not acknowledge how badly they treat and talk about them.
@@opinionsonstoriesI agree, but that empathy goes away when a celeb uses their influence to do something that is blatantly awful.
The vast majority of people would be much happier with more money. Sustaining off a non-livable wage destroys people. I'm glad you are here to conflate the fact that being super wealthy doesn't 'buy' happiness
at 15:50, Britney sobbing about the paparazzi never leaving her alone is heartbreaking. she always deserved better and was never able to just live her life.
IKR but Britney ain't the only one. I mean, Michael Jackson also cried on television during his 1993 Neverland Ranch statement in which he told the media and the paps to leave him alone by saying the words "Don't treat like a criminal 'cause I'm innocent." Plus, Princess Diana said in an interview (with the now disgraced Martin Bashir of course) in 1995 that she wanted to be the "People's Princess" instead of being pursued by the paps and being painted in the public for her personal life. In other words, MJ, Britney and Princess Diana were kicked by the press. The only difference is that Britney's still alive while MJ and Diana are both no longer with us sadly. The media needs to atone for their sins and apologize to the celebs - alive or deceased - for what they did to them. What the media did back then will not fly now. Do ya agree?
A lot of the people who have embraced the Britney redemption will engage in exactly the same behaviours online that she was subjected to.
This! I've literally seen people bully Gabby Hanna (or whatever her name is) for no reason besides her music being mediocre (not even valid criticism about her actions) while we're all supposed to be questioning how we treat people in the public eye after seeing the way we treated Britney. Hypocrisy.
@@texaspoontappa2088 she did more than just nothing... She shouldn't be bully (as in names call, madr fun of, etc.) bc of it but scamming her fans and not apologizing properly is a big no no for me.
ppl already do. There are so many ppl who support the free britney movement who treat her instagram posts as either conspiracies, a tragedy unfolding in front of them or just as a freakshow. I feel like so many ppl are supporting her under the guise that she's "normal" and thus doesn't "deserve" to be treated badly and ignore that she obvious does have serious mental health issues which she has said herself!! Like it's really not about championing for ppl with disabilities not being exploited or even caring for how celebs are treated just how she specifically was treated bc ppl have a soft spot for nostalgia. I'm scared that if she does get help with her conservatorship and gets more freedom if she acts in a way that ppl deem unfavourable or wierd they'll turn on her and say she deserves to be in it bc again.....
a lot of them are literally engaging in these same behaviors right in the yt comment section
🌚
that family feud thing was sickening
@IntrepidFinch Yeah, that was awful. I didn't know he said that.
ghoulish
@IntrepidFinch shocking how cruel we all were back in the day
and the VMA host chick...
that was tv programming for real
It's absolutely unhinged to think you have a connection with a celebrity, or that they owe you absolutely anything. So many entertainers and media are destroyed by their own fandoms. It's absurd
💯💯
That's what's going on right now with Britney. Fans supporting new music and not the woman who wants to escape the music industry
@@713smilie If I were Britney, I would be moving abroad like Tina Turner and LiLo did.
"condescending animosity disguised as concern"
The world has this to such an intolerable degree right now. something to do with internet culture, accessibility to people while being allowed a disassociation from the ability to humanise them
Loved this video, itll defintely stick around on my mind for a bit with its various themes. I'm a huge fan of the general production of this video as well as its nuanced exploration of this topic, I'll be looking for more
Yep.
I once remember Beyoncé talking about how singers used to just be singers and nothing more. Voices and lyrics to enjoy but now everyone feels entitled to a singer’s personal lives like they’re a reality tv star. So it makes me grimace when ppl complain about her not showing her life more or calling her boring for not showcasing her private life.
I remember when Beyonce gave birth to her daughter Blue, the Internet went wild and many were saying mean things about her newborn.
That must’ve taken a toll on her, I’m not surprised she chooses to be more private. Even now we barely hear about her twins, which is a good thing.
I've often thought that a side effect of that is the pressure to be conventionally attractive, especially (again) for women.
@@guitarherops31 right
it started changing with elvis I think. And became worse w the Beatles and MJ, madonna and then Britney.
Or asumming she is "dumb" and that is the reason that "her team" "hides her from the public"
Society likes to build up the underdog. Then once you get to the top they want to drag you down. Then once you're down, you are back to being the underdog again and they want to build you back up. Humanity is sick.
This.
They don't want to build you back up after they drag you down, they want to toss you aside as "old news" and "a cautionary tale" in favor of the new underdog of the week.
Society does nothing but consume what ever they’re told to consume, Media does the building, and when the system has its fill, then it’s the tear-down in accordance with ‘..all Empires crumble to ruin..’ all but their own...
Like the ole’ Don Henley song “Dirty Laundry” - for a song that came out in the late 70s it was ahead of its time 😏 “Kick em when they’re up, kick em when they’re down”- very accurate and seems to be worse today.
Brought to u by The Tavistock Institute...
I’ve been an actress, singer, and award winning producer in Hollywood for 20 years now and I can say so much about this. I cannot elaborate how much mind control, abuse, and ego this industry possesses. Even acting classes can be highly abusive as we are inherently taught to disassociate from our true self to become someone else. Being taught to cry on demand, laugh on demand has a certain destructive dichotomy as we are going through a type of “dog obedience.” Not to mention the scams and many services extracting money from poor starving actors. This golden Monarch has ruled for generations as the movie Coming to America eludes to this. McDowells in that movie symbolizes the golden arch, the golden of control coming upon America as it always has. Anyway…
I managed to overcome a great deal of this over years and have been interviewed over and over about these issues. There is multiple reasons why some make it I will not reveal on here. Thank you for this video. Let the truth me told! 🙏
Yep. I mean, Debbie Gibson said that Hollywood will work you to death. However, you should realize that not all celebs mess up and get abused. Some stayed successful, like Kate Winslet.
BTW I also like retro music. Thanks, girl. #NOTALLCELEBSMESSUP
Fibs
But yet you stay in the biz, what does that say about your character?
This reminds me of a common misconception I face when I tell people I would love to be an actress.
I do not want to be famous. I want to work on stages large enough to pay for a one or two room apartment.
I want to use my mind and body to tell stories. Acting is what I want to do as a profession. Not being famous.
I’m Neurodiverse and in exactly the same position I want to do it for the satisfaction of the work and the work alone. Always wanted to do it I’m 41 and in Australia
Exactly. There are more not famous people then famous. People who earn a living doing what they live yet live normal lives
I'm a very, very new actor (only low-budget films so far) and this is very true and very annoying. I act because it's fun and possibly highly profitable, but I would literally pay money to be invisible and not be famous while doing so. Unfortunately, I think I may have no choice but to allow a little bit of fame until I get better roles. It will suck, but it will be worth it for the $$$, to be honest. Plus, it helps that I couldn't care less what people think of me, so I think I'll be fine.
The game show was disgusting , they should all be ashamed of themselves.
And the last clip of that woman on the award show? What gives these people the right to attack Britney to this degree? USA, the great country...
@@agiksf.8998 You're going to blame the country over the actions of a few? LOL, that's absurd. The USA is a country of +330 Million people of many colors and coming from many cultures.
@@agiksf.8998 Sarah Silverman? She is super famous too.
@@agiksf.8998 looks over at the korean and japanese idol industry with some... notes
Karma to that game show host..what an asshole...but karma sure got him
what i despise is how people will probably just go "Ahh yes the media is horrible." and ignore all the time they spend being evil to celebrities too
Preach
@@daniela973 I would’ve gone with the Epstein scandal and the fact that the media is completely ignoring the fact that the 1% is hoarding money and not paying taxes, but you do you, I guess.
THIS. Even in the comments people are blaming everything on Justin Timberlake the hell? They will never see their the true villains.
While i see your point i don't think that calling out people when they do horrible things isn't bad either. Yes people shouldn't mistreat and do horrible shit to celebs all the time but it shouldn't also be used as an excuse for "oh don't criticize me the media is horrible so i can have a get-out-of-being-held-accountable-for-my-racist-behavior card". Plus it isn't all because of the public common people (only partially) but also bigoted systems they cause these structures to begin with. Yes people should be called out for taking part in them but we should also remind ourselves why these systems exist to begin with
This
What happened to Britney is the true definition of evil.
And also Lindsay Lohan, Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, the Olsen twins, Amanda Bynes, Paris Hilton, Robert Downey Jr., etc.
It's interesting to see Ashley's fan's "critique" of her work... especially since I know now that Ashley is a film student. Something you learn in critiques in art school is to critique someone's work for what it IS not rather what you wish the work would be, which is just a projection. If the fan doesn't like the new style of Ashley they could simply just go back and watch the old videos of what they did like, but expecting her (as a person) or her work (separate from her a person entirely) not to change or evolve is really unrealistic.
Luckily something else she (Ashley) hopefully learned in art school is you can take and leave critique at your own discretion. It is impossible to implement every single critique of you and is not necessarily the best thing for the work.
The way that Freddie Mercury was treated by the press throughout his career, but especially during the last years of his life, is absolutely horrifying. There was a throng of journalists camped outside his home 24/7, essentially waiting for him to die. Fame can be its own kind of hell.
For all the fame and riches these celebrities make , there is an equal or even bigger price they pay. People shouting obscenities at them , camping outside their homes , they take away all their privacy and insult and ridicule them , Freddie went through a lot of pain both physical and mental in his last days. We only look at what these celebrities have in a materialistic way but they are rarely allowed to enjoy what they have. It’s almost like they are no longer human but aliens from another planet.
Don't forget mj
😂 They are NOT journalists, they are leech paperazzi
@Sightless Sniper Freddie wasn’t clueless, he knew that media attention would come with fame. What I’m saying- what should be obvious- is that the yellow press went so far beyond decency, even by their own subterranean standards. These people knowingly shamed and harassed a dying man BECAUSE he was dying of a highly stigmatized disease, all for their own selfish gain. That is an unfairly upsetting experience that no one should have to accept, at any level of fame.
Here are a few instances of him talking about fame, which he did rather extensively:
“I think it would be a very stupid person who is in this position to think that nothing derogatory is ever going to come out about them. That would be very silly. I always knew there were going to be exposés. It just depends how horrible they are, of course. I think most of us know that is always on the sideline. You always know. It’s something we live with.”
“I think I’ve learned to live with it after all these years. I’d be a liar to say I’m not hurt by criticism because everybody is. Of course I want everybody to say I’m wonderful and that they like my songs, and I don’t mind genuine well thought out criticism, but of course you’re going to get people who review our albums without even listening to them, and things like that. That’s the way of the world. I used to get really mad and start tearing my hair out, but I don’t have sleepless nights any more. I learned to live with it. It needs a strong-willed person to survive in this industry. You have to be astute and strong. You have to be a hard-faced bitch.”
“My private life is private, and okay little bits of it sneak out, and I can come up with outrageous quotes, and that’s as far as I go. There are always going to be people in the press after you - all out to get you.”
Yep it was evil the way freddie was treated by the press
Something ironic that I noticed: you included a clip of Selena backstage and right next to her (her friend) was an OG CZcamsr Christina Grimmie, who was actually murdered at a meet and greet. She died as a result of a para-social relationship, at the peak transition and overlap of mainstream and internet media. Celebrity culture surrounding young women is terrifying.
As if life as a woman isn’t already terrifying.
@@NoOne-wn9ju what?
@@StefanConstantinDumitrache I think they're referring to Selena Quintanilla
@@naomitenorio2852 Didn't JLo play her in a biopic?
@@rickardkaufman3988 Yes
"The celebrities need their audience to survive. So the justification quickly becomes,
That sounds exactly like how a parent validates their ownership over their child because they bring them to the world. It also reminds me of a manipulator who threaten their victim by saying they're nothing without the manipulator, or how nobody will love them except the manipulator. Any attempt to stand up for yourself will be seen as insolence, arrogance, and defiance. They feel entitled because they have 'ownership'. It goes along with how fans will attempt to ruin the celebrity lives when they do try to stand up for themselves. "I brought you to this world, I can take you out"Manipulators attempt to isolate you, makes you suffer, so you'll come back to them.
I've heard that one of the reasons Brittany shaved her head was that people messing with her hair was a significant indignity for her. In other words, it wasn't random that she chose to seize control by taking that hair away.
She is telling the press to leave her alone. BTW Woods, it's time to move on from Britney's dark past. As Norm Van Lier once said: You keep living in the past, you're not gonna go forward.
Thanks, dude. Britney 4 life, dude.
She actually said something related to it in her "For The Record" documentary (which WAS filmed when her cship first started, but I still trust her word on it). She highlighted in one of the clips that people shave their heads all the time, and it's not automatically related to being "off their rocker."
I subbed, Woods.
@@silvergust IKR. I mean, look at Sinead O'Connor and Persis Khambatta (of Star Trek: The Motion Picture (1979)), they shaved their heads and are praised for it. BTW the media should say sorry to Britney, LiLo, Paris, Amanda Bynes, Nicole Richie, the Olsen twins, Megan Fox, Winona Ryder, Shannen Doherty, Courtney Love, Jodie Sweetin, Mischa Barton, Tonya Harding, Monica Lewinsky, etc. right now.
What the press did to them back then will never fly today.
“I just really can’t wait for people to forget about me.”
I never knew Selena Gomez said that. The sadness in that statement says so much about everything unhealthy in celebrity culture. The research that went into this video is really stellar all over but that quote especially is going to stick with me.
@Mrseasy143 why would she lose money
@Mrseasy143 she probably has enough money now to live comfortable for the rest of her life so....
If she wants people to forget about her there's always an option of exiting the spotlight. If she doesn't want to be remembered she should do less to be in the news maybe?
@@Thesilentvoice... she’s bipolar and is really up and down with her emotions, one moment she would overtly plan something for her career and the next she doesn’t want one
yet they stan her like they are in a real relationship with her. if they where true fans they would let her fade into obscurity. they dont even know what their own idol is saying.
This is why there are so many faceless youtubers AND virtual reality youtubers, so that they will not be subjected to the public eye and yet still live a quiet and private life
Exactly. I don’t think if I started a YT channel, that I would ever show my face.
Ohhh
Japan has a lot of musicians like that too that just do most of the stuff anonymously.
Until their camera messes up and it briefly shows their faces, that is :(
What about their voices tho? Just look at what happened to Corpse.
It's 2023 and Britney is still being "framed" as crazy by the media.
I remember just how big of a deal Britney shaving her head was. Even I, as a little kid, repeated jokes about it I heard from adults and honestly it's so strange how many people cared SO much about one woman's hair...
its not the hair. people need someone to look down a upon. they love to see someone in pain if they are in pain. those people telling those jokes, where they happy people, or miserable, looked down upon by others and maybe lacked opportunities in their own life?
Shaving your head is common for victims of sexual abuse. Subconciously try to get rid of trauma with shaving their head.
The fact that some people justify the insanity of celebrity culture by the fact that they are rich or that "It's the price to pay." is bugging me so much. No, it's not the price to pay. You don't get to stalk, insult, harass people just because they have a better financial situation than you...
Best comment
Well. I mean billionaires should have this happen to them. Not celebrities, but the ones doing the abusing of the celebrities are often the high execs, moreso than the fans.....the fans are bad but .....
The tragic part is people are doing this abuse to CZcamsrs and Twitch streamers and a lot of times those people barely make median income like Sarah Z said. So they get all the hate but zero financial reward. It’s heartbreaking. 💔
Its about how you git your status. If it was created for you ... yiu have ni control. Your a puppet
@@loverrlee I've seen this shit happen to children who accumulated an following in niche fandoms. They don't even make money off the stuff they do yet they still get the downsides of fame.
I really did not appreciate the gravity of "leave Britney alone" as a teenager in 2007 the way I do now. Thank you for this video.
There was no gravity, it was made as a joke.
@@StefanConstantinDumitrache I thought Chris Crocker was serious...
@@TimeLady018 oh, you silly goose
Oh my gosh I constantly quote that girl! She was right. Britney didn’t deserve it. 💔💔💔
I was in middle school when she shaved her head and something just never sat well with my mom, sister, and I. We always felt there was so much more to it than we were led to believe. Defending her was almost a lost cause back then because people would bully you for liking her! Even now her reputation the media painted haunts her... I called her princess of pop once and someone got so disgusted with me, I was shocked.
This is so true. Fame is a form of trauma. It freezes that person at that age.
Wow that Family Feud round was hard to watch. That’s such a sad cruel thing to put on National TV. Imagine if that was about you. Nobody should be shamed like that, especially when her only “crimes” were shopping at Walmart, kissing her husband and shaving her head, and other innocent things. I always thought everyone was way too hard on Britney. I have always loved her and her music and I’m the girl still quoting, “Leave Britney alone! She’s doesn’t deserve it!” Thanks for making this video. 💗
Don't forget when she got placed in conservatorship from 2008 to 2021. BTW women now shaved their heads and are praised for it. Take Demi Lovato and Doja Cat for example. However, women shaved their heads before, like the late Persis Khambatta, who played Ilia in 1979's Star Trek: The Motion Picture.
P.S. Kristin Bjorklund, the producer of Family Feud who was behind that Britney question, died last year and is now rotting in hell. Talk about karma. John O'Hurley should say sorry to Britney now. Period.
God, its so disgusting how everyone was just absolutely laying into Britney, especially about her comeback performance and her "weight". Shes not overweight! Just unbelievable, and so sad. She deserves better.
people dont get this: most women you see in media are underweight or lower normalweight. no one is ever middle normalweight or higher normalweight. which is a fairly common weight range!!!
It has always been practically a crime to be fat. In the public and private sector.
She’s perfect and has curves and muscles.
@Holly Hooligan exactly, I couldn't believe it was him and was highly disgusted! That was beyond just casually poking fun at someone, that was terrifying levels of cruel and damaging!
This really is a good way too see how fat shaming works. No she is not " overweight" but your comment implies that if she was she would deserve abuse. That is tragic and scary.
I wish you had brought up Monica Lewinsky. I know she’s not a celebrity in the way we think of it but she’s a great example of the way moral standards(and the accompanying abuse) are always thrown on public figures.
Always felt bad for her. She didn't deserve the shit storm she got.
I'm 23 recently, and I can't get over how y o u n g she was.
But also like, every time I learn more about cases like this, it makes me think: how could media never learn?? Like, even Diana - didn't they learn from Marilyn Monroe? Jackie Kennedy?
I mean I know why/how they didn't, it just seems incredible in the way that Monica's age seems incredible.
i get what you mean, but i think Monica's story is is a different sort of thing; i think that story is more about America's/the world's weird sexist double standards about sex and sexuality. because unlike the other women in this video, Monica wasn't a public figure before her """""Downfall"""""".
check out the last week tonight episode about her! (it’s called “public shaming”)
The podcast You’re Wrong About, referenced in the opening of this video, has a great series about how Lewinsky was maligned by the public
What I find interesting is all of these examples - and indeed where the abuse is most acute - are with famous women. It is so frustrating to me how powerful the patriarchy is in applying this pressure to women, yet male celebrities appear to be less scrutinised, or less affected by the scrutiny. While that could also be caused by masculine expectations meaning that they are unable to express their discontent or publicise breakdowns, I also think that the blatant lack of identity crises or breakdowns among famous men indicate the gendered power imbalance.
When it does happen it's often subjected to undue skepticism or swept under the rug, though. How many people rushed to *assume* that Johnny Depp was the abuser without a shred of proof?
It's more than likely that such pressures on male celebrities are often - not always, but often - simply present but overlooked or deliberately hidden because "men can't cry" or some nonsense like that. Or because some people confuse statistics for reality and assume they're always the perpetrators and never the victims.
Believe me it's more common than you might think. Like when Jim Carrey expressed a few of his views throughout the years both the public and the press slammed him so hard that it's a miracle he even gets have starring roles in the Sonic movies. You can criticize him for his views on vaccines or politics but keep it sober and remember he is still a human and has a right to enjoy what he has and establish his own boundaries. And the same goes for all celebrities.
There are exceptions to the gender divide on this, usually male child stars or black male stars, but I think the difference is largely in the control the people in female stars' immediate circle can/do exert.
Britney was driven to breakdown by the public, yes, but she was groomed and pressured into stardom, wasn't allowed to step back when she needed to, wasn't allowed any agency over her own life regardless of public opinion or pressures, exemplified by the conservatorship. Diana was literally groomed to be the 'people's princess' and all but ordered to marry a man she barely knew (even if most accounts have her as head over heels, it's important to bear in mind she was seventeen when it all started), and though towards the later years she did exert some agency, she had to work extremely hard to pull back as much control as she did from the royal family and their various handlers.
Meanwhile, we see Miley who has a supportive and experienced support network who have never (to our knowledge) pressured her to perform, to be public, or to conform to a standard of presentation decided by others, and while she's had her rough patches, she overall seems much happier and healthier than most of the people we've seen on the other end of that kind of public scrutiny.
The gendered issue, while also lying with the public, I'd say is more down to the systemic power of the wealthy men who run the media, the performing arts industries and even the families these women are born into. If would have to be a very different world for it to have been Robert Downey Jr. who was forced into a conservatorship as a young adult and kept in it for over a decade, or princess Margaret's hypothetical child-groom who was hounded quite literally to death by the press that the royal family has a tacit businiess relationship with.
men get away with literally everything while women get publicly executed for going to the gym wearing the wrong pants. it’s ridiculous
I really feel bad for Britney. Being an adult now, I can definitely see that this is/was a girl, then woman, who desperately needed help. After everything she’s been through, how, in all honesty, can you figure out who you can ACTUALLY trust? I wouldn’t even be able to trust a psychiatrist. How do you really know if your information won’t be leaked or eavesdropped on? When you’re down SO far, and don’t see anything changing or getting better, why try?
Not only her. Lindsay Lohan, Paris Hilton, Amanda Bynes, Nicole Richie, Mischa Barton, Tonya Harding, Monica Lewinsky, Demi Lovato and the Olsen twins too.
All that "concern" that people had for Ashley just sounded like some random man in a park who tells you to smile more.
same energy
Actually had an old man say that to me at a grocery store once. Like wtf. I exist just so that you can look at me smile? boomers are so dumb
That reminds me of a Russian proverb I like, it goes something like "smiling for no reason is the sign of an empty head"
@@aa-ot3cg It's interesting that that isn't a relatable aphorism in the US. Instead smiling for no reason usually means either you are happy for undisclosed reasons or you are pretending to be happy for politeness or to sell people on something. It's a double edged sword, one in conflict with authenticity or honesty, but the other association supports our cultural desire of privacy
@@os2841 once when i worked for a day at the bakery , there was one man who said " how beautiful workers u have there" which i find it incredibly strange
This phenomenon was distilled by Nora Ephron in her essay on Pat Loud: “The public has an almost insatiable need to feel superior to people who appear to have everything.”
so true !!!!!
Yep. They're just jealous.
@@adt4025 not to dismiss your free-form comment whatsoever! But i have to argue that the nature of this concept as a whole is…it transcends mundane jealousy as we know and experience it in our lives…its really conducive to a kind of shadow-fascism that we have yet to identify completely and eliminate. Nonetheless, your comment and input is valid and welcomed fellow human!
@@sloanefrances1881 What do you mean by “shadow fascism”?
@@Omnihilo fascism that lurks in the shadows-unseen fascism
Let’s not forget that Miley Cyrus was born into a family that is wealthy and is comfortably adjusted into “music royalty” status. She was lucky to create a fan base as a child, which grew up with her and supports her still. However, she hasn’t had to heavily rely on her personal fame/wealth/career to pay bills or support a comfortable lifestyle.There’s gives a great deal of freedom in the enterprise of branching out or taking risks in one’s career.
I will say that she seems very aware of this and has always seemed massively supportive of other people in her position who don't have her privilege or her support network
I dont know how I feel about saying that Selenas personality is manufactured because she's more thoughtful when she talks and likes her privacy. Being crude isn't the only way to be ones "genuine" self
I get what you mean, but you didn't have to disrespect Miley just to make your point. Why are women who aren't delicate flowers always referred to as crude? If she was a he, no one would have cared and would have even been like "heck yeah, I like this punk, he says what's on his mind!" Look at Manson and Courtney Love in the 90s. Manson was provocative, sure, but he was always considered "intelligent, eloquent and an icon", and then Love was just a nasty whore who married the right guy - and she STILL has that reputation, even if she's a best selling artist! We all have to think of how we treat other women, and that's coming from someone who was raised to be a total misogynist. (I was basically raised by Marilyn Manson).
Also, Selena clearly doesn't want to reveal everything to the public and the point is that when she doesn't, people will think she isn't being authentic. The reality is that she's shielding herself, and she should! She's probably doing it to stay sane. Miley has gone down a darker path. She's probably been idolizing a certain rock n roll lifestyle, and while I think she's 100% the best musician of the two, the best entertainer, it comes at a heavy price. She's already aging way faster than Selena. She'll eventually turn into Courtney Love and people will find her disgusting once what remains of her youthful charm is gone, and then only people like me will adore her. People like me have a boner for washed up rockstars. Washed up pop stars don't exist though. They just stop being relevant once they're old, and that is what Selena wants. She even said so.
What it boils down to is this... they are both women and musicians, but that's all they have in common. Miley doesn't care if she shows the world her tits or her personality; in her mind, she has nothing to hide - and maybe she wants to be provocative, and that isn't a bad thing. Selena doesn't want to share or show the world everything and yeah, she doesn't bite back, she doesn't want any drama, doesn't want to defend herself because, unlike Miley, she never created situations where that was necessary. One is not better than the other or more authentic; fans just see it that way because they feel entitled to every inch of their fav celebrity's body and mind. Disgusting really.
Fans are consumers, and we consume our favorite celebrities. We are even fans of the celebrities we "hate" because we are fueling their fire and helping them stay relevant. If you want to be a good person, you won't love or hate people you don't know. It's insanity.
the joel mchale interview is so disgusting. no male artist is ever, ever talked about in such demeaning and cruel ways. and the video of Britney saying "I'm human just like you" and paparazzi following her wherever she goes, I can't BEGIN to imagine the mental health tolls that takes on a person.
I was thinking the same thing. Just horrendously cruel behaviour.
I was shocked and disgusted
@rose petal I see where you’re coming from, but it’s really not comparable. Britney was picked apart and unjustly criticized for her looks, weight, music, and behavior at an unprecedented rate exclusively because she is a woman that stopped fitting what the public expected from her. Unlike michael jackson, she did not have criminal allegations or any other problematic claims against her. She was abused in mass by the public without any remorse because she is a successful, outspoken, and confident woman, plain and simple.
@@ashwhyy Well, even before the allegations people still made fun of the way he looked because of his skin condition and his plastic surgery. It’s actually very comparable. Both had controlling, abusive fathers, and were unjustly scrutinized for things that didn’t matter or weren’t our business (aka looks, weight, etc). I heard the black to white jokes all the time and how he looked like a woman. This happened before the allegations and just because he allegedly did bad things, doesn’t mean he deserved the hate for his skin and looks. It’s more justifiable to hate him for the actual bad things he did and to make fun of his looks just because he’s problematic is problematic within itself. I’m not defending him as a person or trying to diminish what he did, but victims aren’t all perfect or good and he clearly was a victim of many things.
@rose petal absolutely not going to deny the abuse he faced because of his fame & race. it's horrendous and wrong. it's just how rampant, normalized, and flippant hate is against not only britney but all women celebrities that is different to me. So rampant that it appears candidly on a family feud segment, that men in the media can casually laugh over sexist rapid fire jokes, and awards hosts can attack her kids to a giddy audience. Men RARELY experience such demeaning media treatment. They both experience abuse, undoubtedly, but the abuse is different because Britney is a woman.
There's a lot of strange behavior in celebrity culture. But one of the worst, in my opinion, is how hard it is to differentiate haters from fans.
As soon as you are a fan, you will hate anything your celebrity does that doesn't live up to your fan image.
Totally agree... I recently entered the Tom Hiddleston fandom and I'm discovering retrospectively some of the messages left on fan forums back in 2015-2016 (with the whole Hiddleswift debacle). And I'm just mystified when I see how some people who can only be called "haters" (because all they post is ironic/cynical/negative) seem to spend SO MUCH TIME following him and posting mean things about him. I mean... I can get it when you're a fan, you'll obsess over everything and spend way too many hours on forums, etc, but to do that with someone you *hate*? I just don't get it. It seems almost as if that was a sort of perverse way to be a fan.
@@rustyshackleford3160 Ha! I think this is actually very true, in relation to the other message I've just posted here. The way the Internet turned on Tom Hiddleston the minute he started dating Taylor Swift is probably a textbook example of that. I mean... He had a great reputation and she had a terrible one, and I'm just puzzled by the fact that people who claimed to be "fans" of his would mistrust his judgment so much. I mean... if someone I admire and respect, and who seems to be a nice and intelligent person, starts dating a celeb I don't like, my first reaction would be: "Well, maybe I need to reconsider my opinion of her?" or simply... * gasp *... "He is allowed to date whoever he wants". But no, that's not how it works today on the Internet.
that's because haters are your biggest fans!
I think there’s a whole pandemic of more narcissistic personalities I was reading a comment that was saying how Beyoncé was saying how it used to just be about a person making music and then people enjoying the sound and voice I think aswell now there are billions and billions of people for every 10 weirdos there used to be there’s now 50
15:07 I’m so glad you brought this up bc lately now that Britney is free from the conservership and she’s not performing the persona of the grateful, meek, abuse victim the public wants from her- many are turning on her. I’ve seen news article after new article bashing her for being angry or acting weird when she’s literally recovering from years of being stifled by her own family and the entertainment industry. Let the woman live fr!
added perspective on Selena's celebrity: In my experience, I find that many disabled people (myself included) tend to be extremely measured in what personal information we share. Details that seem normal to me can feel really severe to the average person, and things that are extremely severe might seem like not that big a deal to that same person. It really is a crapshoot. Obviously, none of us are in Selena's brain, but if a similar dynamic exists for her, it fits really neatly into a "good image," regardless of what it actually does to a person.
(edited because I had another thought): also, when personal health struggles are shared so widely like that, it can cause an aversion to sharing completely (ie stepping back from social media).
Spears was never fat. No, she wasn't cut like she had been as a teenager but she still looked good. The number of people who made fun of her weight like she'd become obese is disgusting. By the way, she wouldn't have deserved mockery even if she had been obese but the fact is, she was still an average weight.
For some weird reason, the media seemed to enjoy her crying just like they seemed to enjoy her breakdown.
I think the outfit was wrong. She was thin and fit. Tone legs and abs,nice butt her hair looked good.
media thrives on celebs breaking down
@The last Resort no ppl were also mad bc thats how eating disorders and body dysmorphia starts
@The last Resort u should be mad about the people who are fat shaming people while children die; I don't understand why you're criticizing the people who are saying that this is wrong.
@The last Resort okay let’s not. body shaming is still a big issue, regardless of whether or not people are dying. people are fighting for justice in both cases. a broken thumb and a broken back both hurt, even if one is “worse”
Something I noticed is how all of the people you talked about were women. I think fans and critics alike are naturally inclined to expect more from them and they face a higher level of scrutiny
Women are held to a higher standard even if they aren't a celebrity. Women in general are expected to be kind, sweet, delicate and should always put their needs before others. If you just voice your opinion once, you are a bitch and that's why it's so hard for some women to voice when they are uncomfortable or even to say no in fear of being a buzz kill
@@unhoely7925 Not necessarily. If you voice your opinion in a certain way, that happens to everyone. Women are inherently more social and are less likely to try to offend people and are more likely to pick up on social cues.
@@lainiwakura1776 but think about it. Why do we try so hard not to offend? Yes it's okay to be respectful and a decent human being but when a situation arises where we are uncomfortable or in danger having that mindset of being mindful of other people's feelings is toxic. It's something that's been instilled in us since birth and that can be used against us. Being too kind can lead to one being walked all over.
Have you noticed, especially in the dating realm, if a women says, "I want to date a guy with a car who makes just as much as me" suddenly you are a gold digger, you have high standards. In the black community black men dating outside of their race is okay but when black women do it you get so much hate, you're called ugly, a traitor and so many other misogynistic terms. Just look at how people treat Serena William's VS any other black NBA player married to someone who isn't. Being a woman puts you under a microscopic lens no matter what you do.
Another example is if a women is being catcalled and just walks past the person cat calling her, that man will then start saying rude things like "you weren't even that pretty, you are such a bitch" and in some situations if that man goes too far and assaults that woman you will get a myriad of comments saying that "she should've greeted him", "she was also being rude".
By labelling women as more kind and less mindful it then gives some evil people the right to cross the line and use this kindness and mindfulness against us.
@@lainiwakura1776 basically what I'm saying is that by saying "women are inherently this" one can already have this expectation of a women without even realising it and once a women strays away from that expectation it then becomes a problem because "that's not how women are". This same idea has stopped women from voicing their valid concerns and opinions in fear of being labelled a Karen.
@Robby Dey I'm a bit confused 😅 how does this connect to how people expect kindness from women? I'm not bashing you or anything, I'm just asking. If it's expecting kindness in a marriage then isn't that completely different? You are supposed to marry a best friend. Someone you can connect to.
"and telling the celebrity 'without us, you wouldn't be here' -- and is that acceptable in any other context? -- no!"
tell that to any customers of any businesses.
Even while it was happening, I was disgusted with how Britney was being treated, but as I get older I just get more and more sickened with what was considered "acceptable abuse" due to celebrity status.
As a kid i loved the idea of being famous bcs i would have attention and adoring fans. Now as an adult, the thought of being famous and having complete strangers know me, project on me, judge me and overanalyse my every move is one of my biggest fears. People really do treat anyone with any sort of platform or fame like an animal in a zoo or a spokesperson/rolemodel.
Same! Being famous went from being one of my biggest dreams to one of my biggest fears. I really don’t know how people can cope with it. I’m already super sensitive about anything anybody says to me, can’t imagine how I’d feel if I got that X100,000
Exactly. When tbh. Being peoples role models all because they have a platform that they wanted to make and enjoy, is not (not to be mean sorry if it comes off this was I truly mean no harm or anything it’s just how I feel and anyone of course can completely disagree with me) their job. They didn’t sign up to do that particular task of a spokes person/ role model. But yeah.
Also whoever is reading this, have a beautiful day🥰
welcome
Plumber: Ok, we're all set. Pipes are fixed.
Customer: You would be nothing without me
😂😂😂
This !! The entitlement is ABSURD
When I was young I wanted to be famous but my God growing up I realized I would have hated it! The idea of people bothering you and in your business and spreading lies is enough to drive you crazy. That sounds like a nightmare.
I used to believe that parasocial relationships were always very unilateral and that the celebrity was always in a position of power, because fans get emotionally attached while to the celebrity saw their fans only as an audience to appreciate and uplift them... But, lately, I've come to get the impression that some celebrities also have a parasocial relationships with their fans, that also can develop a strong emotionally attachment to their community, even if it's a different interaction than in real life... Some artists get to meet fans regularly during events, and monitor feedback constantly... And public figures also consume social media, use the internet and I guess it is possible for them to also fall into the "illusion of intimacy" if they talk to their fans online and read many people's comments, see their drawings, see their stories, and such... Obviously, these things (how we process reality, interactions and relationships, even virtually) vary from person to person, and are affected by our life style, personalities, experiences, if we have a support system or not, etc... But, I certainly have seen some artists who seem to depend emotionally on the response they receive from their fans (beyond only monetarily)...
Remember: Hollywood is the villian in everyone's story, even its own.
Because of the demons who run it.
@@fredshols1856 You know I actually feel sad for the all actors and the actresses in Hollywood. Their only job, their one and only contribution to our society are to look pretty on the camera and smile and that's a pretty sad life. Forget the money, forget the awards. At least we, as second-class citizens have the right(mostly) to express our opinions. When actors even attempt to give their political opinions, they get slammed for it. Now, I know celebs may try to slam their agendas down our throats, but they are only doing that cause the media moguls pressure them to do it. And pressure from the fans. I always say that the two biggest villains are Hollywood and Society as a whole. We choose who we find as attractive or worthy of living(or just attractive in certain aspects), and those who don't and that is shameful on our part!
good, now expand that. what’s the “hollywood” of the rest of the world?
Yep ☄️
@@fredshols1856 and people who buy shit mindlessly
I'm pretty sure no one actually expects celebrities to 'make it through'. People seem gleeful when celebrities fall apart - or better, they get to pull them down.
Exactly. Most of them won't even last that long. Celebrities are like a train accident waiting to happen. Since there are many people behind a celebrity popstar pulling the strings, they don't seem to worry much about negative effects to their product as long as their is enough media attention and enough money coming in.
@person person I suspect you are correct.
I feel like most people both admire and envy celebs at the same time. That envy is them wanting a celeb to fail. B/c no matter how human their struggles are, most people see celebrities as so rich that they'll be ok regardless of the situation. That's one reason of why people can be so merciless to them.
I feel really bad for all these celebrities that had to deal with being called crazy and being harassed all the time when they clearly needed help, not mockery. I mean imagine having a mental breakdown and the whole world broadcasting it like it’s a show. I don’t know if I could’ve handled that. Sorry Britney. Sorry Lindsay. Sorry Amanda. Sorry to every single celebrity we’ve failed when you needed our help, present and past.
"Lemme tell you, there's a huge difference between the person and the image" Elvis Presley, 1973
When Britney had a mental breakdown in 2007, I thought she was crazy because I was only a kid then but now I understand why especially since I had my own mental breakdown as an adult from past trauma. Unfortunately we failed Britney Spears, Lindsey Lohan, Amanda Bynes, and every single child actor.
That's the problem had some of us not went through the stigma mental health or heard about the conservatorship we would be making shitty jokes and laughing at poor britney . Whose to blame. We have failed every female in the industry remarkably we mustn't let racial gender bias misogyny and sexism control our minds and the society.
The media should tone down it's bullying of celebs, girl.
I am pretty sure that Hollywood and the likes of Harvey Weinstein have a far bigger impact overall. Though public attitide and behaviour towards these entertainers and other public figures certainly increase the toxicity and the resulting dreadful consequences.
@@page8301 Dan Schneider too. BTW some child stars of yesteryear stayed clean, like Jason Bateman.
@@karlc2869 the general public bullies celebs way more than the media does
The “What did Britney lose?” question on Family Feud is just cringe.
Envy is at the root of the issues celebrities face. It's the reason people turn on them and start nitpicking every little thing. At first the celebrity serves as inspiration but when people's lives don't match up or catch up to the celeb's they try to emulate, they can turn on them in vicious, sometimes even violent ways.
This actually happens in every kind of human grouping from what I've been able to glean in my years here on planet earth - it's not just happening to famous people.
CZcams has been pushing this channel on me HARD the last month and finally I relented and watched a few videos... Fine CZcams, I admit it. You actually do know what I want to watch.
Also, I think Cardi B and Whitney Houston are two different sides of the same coin when it comes to authenticity and intimacy. The freedom that Cardi B is allowed by her fans to make mistakes is something 80s Whitney could have only dreamed of. Still, both of them face/faced huge invasions of privacy(pun intended) in their lives by fans and media.
Antiblackness and misogynoir play a hand in that difference of perception between them IMO. Also, the standards in what Millennials and Gen Zs allow to be shared on social media in an internet age where every gaffe, mental breakdown, sexy photo, and tweet are easily accessible has changed things greatly, especially when compared to The Boomers and Gen Xs who only knew what was told to them through a controlled, puritanical lens through the grapevine. There has been an almost complete 180 made since Whitney's time in this way. It's not a battle of generations per se but while times have changed, antiblackness and misogynoir in the contexts I just mentioned have pretty much stayed the same. Just my onion, don't come for me!
Mistakes? Cardi literally brags about drugging and robbing men. And she was so confident when she spoke about it.
@@axeslinger94 what about Nicki Minaj and Amy Whinehouse? Ik Amy wasnt black but she had a drug problem, idk much but it makes me so sad
Its not a coincidence that 3 out of the 4 examples have DISNEY roots
Other companies are doing that as well. They take a talented, good looking and naive person, create a public image for it including the style of music and the videos and then they push this person out for fans and publicity to devour. Simply for mindless entertainment they will endanger the mental health of that person who doesn't have much of a clue what being in the public will do to your life and health. Because fame is fun and money and fans and stuff. LOL. Since there is no possible way to control how much fame is too much to handle, this poor soul will have to deal with way too much attention sooner or later and will eventually have a break down. But don't worry: Those in control will make a lot of money while working in the shadows far away from all the noise and public terror.
Disney is evil.
WELCOME TO THESE KNEE!!!!
I mean it’s not necessarily a Disney thing but it’s a “being forced to please the public as a child before your brain is able to handle it” kinda way
Disney is also run by p3dos and Walt Disney supported Nazis
Can we talk about how good the Kardashians haven been at "Celebrity"? They transcended everyone in this video, and manipulated/ scammed the entire world. As much as I dislike them... you have to respect their hustle.
You can't shame a Kardashian.
My family has lived near Brittany’s hometown in Louisiana for many years and met her when she was younger. The media did not portray her very well at all and the industry has not been kind to her…
Then there's the financial incentive to being famous. If you grew up in a poor family or don't have many prospects, getting famous is more simple and a seemingly great way to financial stability. This is something so many articles don't care about when they keep referencing kids wanting to be famous rather than work a shitty 9-5 job that they can get fired from at any time if they are even hired. Which can make the abuse and entitlement of fans and media seem worth it to not have to worry about homelessness or starvation.
Wow. Exactly!!!!
It's not only about the financial incentive, but also about being known. A 9-5 job doesn't bring you fame, or recognition. If anything, the only thing it gives you is a perspective on how crappy people can treat anyone below them on the social ladder.
On the other end of that, you have celebrities who feel entitled to share their opinion as if it is the entire be all and end all of anyone who is like them, as opposed to having an opinion of their own, however wrong that might be. The video above itself had a person who said "all people in this age group is doing this", which is factually untrue. Not everyone is doing that, and it's just a justification for an act that can't be defended any other way. If one wants to talk about authenticity, you can't start that sentence with "everyone else is... ". Authenticity isn't about everyone else, it's about you. YOU have to have the courage to say something and be able to be wrong, and be able to take info on board, even if it comes from a person you don't like. :/
The part where they where ripping Britney to shreds on the game show really reminded me how everyone used to refer to her so freely as a mess and use her as the butt of their jokes. So sad how normalized that was and we grew up on it, I'm glad our generation is questioning this culture, cause the adults that raised us didn't.
Glad to say not all of us were that way..lots of us thought it was disgusting. And had conversations abt mental health and the issue of her conservatership.. even then was not cool!! Unfortunately media has led everyone to believe many of us thought this way then. I can honestly tell you many many people were concerned disgusted with media and paparazzi even then. Lots of us younger adults then were anti establishment "alternative"
Media representation of celebs..child celebs.. parents taking their famous kids money..it was all talked abt in the 90's. the phenomenon of people thinking the celebrity as owing us something. It wasn't something my gen thought was cool!!
@Yummy Luvyes!..still needs improvement.. so true!! Thanks for the comment
And look at the guy saying these things as if he should talk
rc As an older adult I can say that I never heard a conversation from adults about Brittney one way or the other. Weve got bills and shit to worry about. It is your generation who personalize themselves with celebrities. Who follow these people and their lives like they know them. your generation should question this culture because it is yours.
I mean cancel culture is a new problem though that people weren't questioning
The fact that that family feud episode is real is so disturbing. I was alive during this time and remember it, but it still seems so dystopian. It makes me wonder what we are going to look at with new eyes 10 years from NOW. Hind sight is 20/20. Be kind.
Any time I see an interview with Britney crying, it’s just so heartbreaking omg. Also the early 2000s was nightmare fuel flour young woman and celebrities in general ❤️🩹
It's interesting how fame becomes abuse usually for women celebrities, while the society makes it a lot easier for men not to be held up to such a high standard. Even the examples that you showed about how fame can be used as a power tool, were men, while the "trainwreck" examples are mostly women. I also think that male celebrities are not expected to show the same level of intimacy as women, but I may be wrong.
I think you're right, it's no coincidence that all mentioned in the video have been women - and I'm sure there must be a similar example with a male celebrity somewhere, but I can't think of one on the level of Britney at all
@@Lazamattaz I know this is a spicy take but honestly I feel like a part of this stems from the fact that femmes are more often than not the ones doing the antagonizing, or (for eg in Britneys case) the ones paying for the media that perpetuates this kind of behaviour
I was just thinking this! In early 00s pap saturated era, I don’t remember there being so much interest or opinion about a male celebrity’s whereabouts / actions
@@11Hand1e11 Are they though? If we really look at the media outlets that covered and continue to cover female celebrities in this manner, it seems like a lot of them are geared more towards the general public, not necessarily femme specific parts of media. Spicy countertake, but I think the stereotype of "women competing with each other"/"women feeling threatened by each other" influences your opinion that it's femmes that mainly perpetuate this focus on other femmes. I think that it has more to do with our society weaponizing celebrity culture to further solidify patriarchal beliefs vs women oppressing other women, but that's just my personal opinion. I would love to hear more of your thoughts on this though
I remember a while back, Brian David Gilbert had to straight up tell his fans to stop trying to control what he does with his appearance. I think this sort of thing is more common with female celebrities, but it can happen with males too.
The way her "fans" treated Best dressed was fucked up but it really got me thinking about how we view celebrities "mistakes." They aren't even human anymore. If half the "mistakes" celebrities made were done by an acquaintance you would make a simple comment, even support them or help them understand, yet the public just loves to rip these ppl apart so incongruously to the supposed problem. Do you guys realize this is someone's mental health you're destroying?!?!
i know right some people forget that its not a show where they can just nitpick the plot and writing.
And the way they thought they were helping her smh all she did is give her honest feelings (no matter if you think they are "wrong" or she did the wrong thing) and y'all tore her apart for it. Imagine her ever opening up on her platform again
@@nala3055 a few months ago, Ashley posted a video basically talking about her feelings about quarantine. It's best you watch it yourself, but basically she said she wasn't feeling satisfied in NYC and she felt frustrated (W masks and quarantine) to the point of wanting to take her mask off and cough on someone. Those are the main points. Overwhelming amount of ppl basically said she needed psychological help or that they were longtime fans, but thought she was not funny/trying too hard, basically acting as if because they watched her videos that they can psychoanalyize and stage an intervention and rip her apart for an insensitive comment. Again I urge you to watch the video and read the comments yourself. It's been awhile since I've watched it, but the way ppl were talking in the comments has stuck with me.
Edit: she said she wanted a stranger to cough on HER. Sorry for misquoting her!
@@user-jy9rq8nj7q not surprised. I was disappointed in her too. It was a stupid insensitive comment. I just don't think it warrented the kind of hate she got in the comments. It went beyond genuine criticism and just felt like hate. That's just how I saw it. Ig I always want ppl to remember (and remind myself) there is a person there who reads your comments.
lol? you want to begin thinking rationally and treating celebrities well? Why? the whole point of being a celebrity is so morons can hate and love them. where do you think their money comes from?
The intro of this essay got me listening to the podcast "You're Wrong About" and I haven't been able to turn it off, so thank you for that and also for an excellent video overall!
you should do a video on PR people, Management and Agents - as these are usually the one's steering the celebs into stardom or obscurity and often make the bad choices we deride the celebs of making + you have contracts and obligations (it's a hidden world that needs exploring)
It’s insane to me that because these people have money and fame, it then becomes okay to bully and publicly humiliate them. Abuse towards celebrities is acceptable because the added financial and social benefits of celebrity is believed to make up for the abuse. Sometimes even warrant it. It’s sick. I hate how cruel we are to each other. I hate how quick we are to dehumanize.
Anyway, excellent video! It was so well done and thoughtful!
I think their relative lack of talent (compared to the actual artists I know, the good ones anyway) makes them a perfect sounding board for the extreme wealth inequality in the us--especially when so much wealth gets shoveled toward people most of us consider useless and merely fortunate, like "bankers" (whom exactly does that mean? So vague).
@@felixoupopote wait what
Blame capitalism
Or: “well it’s what they signed for when they became famous!!!” Like that shit is so stupid
I just passed a comment with 5 likes saying "my thing is, is that these celebrities have no problem reaping all the rewards from fame and money yet only vocalize the hardships of it. These people live their lives drowned in the privilege their fame gets them and have no problem showing it to the world on social media, yet when things are tough, there is no mention of how that privilege gives them the advantage to cope and deal with said issues."
Like I don't understand. People think they deserve abuse because have success? Do we think that we are the arbiters of fairness in society and have to make sure that nobody gets too many good things so we have to abuse them to compensate for the other privileges in their life? Why does somebody's success bother people so much? And why do we think that money solves mental health issues? Like sure, it'll help them pay for a therapist but as anybody with a mental illness knows, therapy, like money, isn't a perfect magical fix for all of life's problems.
"Because she's on a public platform, they want her to own up to every mistake she's ever made in her life".
Boy, does Lindsay Ellis have a video for you!
Ooh wait she uploaded a video ?
@@urmisharma8360 yeah apparently she got canceled on twitter. the video is incredible. it's so fucking sad, but it's so good and makes a lot of good points
@@slm613 ooh thanks :)
I honestly feel so lucky finding you tubers like this
I feel super smart after watching their videos haha
@@urmisharma8360 Yup, it's a long one that had me sad that she had to resurrect her trauma to explain herself.
I'm glad she's given up on pleasing the masses and is just focusing on her high quality work.
As much as I love it especially black Twitter, Twitter is really a toxic platform.
to anyone who is going to watch it based off this comment please note it is an incredibly taxing video to watch. I recommend it but I know i personally can’t watch it more than once. contrapoints also made a great video along the same lines that i find wasn’t as emotionally difficult to sit through.
they’re both great videos by great creators!
WOW I was crying through this entire video. Powerfully and thoughtfully done.
After watching this, I am gonna go out of my way to not fuel this type of invasion of privacy for anyone. It’s not ok, I feel bad for that fashion influencer. That toxic crap on her sub made my jaw drop.
Exactly.
And people still constantly demand of her to come back to CZcams. I don’t understand how they can feel so entitled to her life.
I know
It is part of the deal people make to obtain fame, unfortunately. Being rich is one thing, being well known is another. The more people know you, the more people can stick their noses in your life. This is why some people would never choose to put their lives out for the public to consume; because privacy is priceless and the cost of fame is typically lack of privacy, due to the definition of fame which is people knowing you.
also the instagram comment saying "can you please make clear if you are coming on youtube again or not?" they really seem to think they own her
I always though South Park really nailed it with their Britney human sacrifice episode. Pretty much what happens.
They did the same thing to Ann Nichole. I think that especially for women it's like glorified stalking on a nation and global level. I noticed that actors in other countries are not as publicised. Thier actors, not role models in every aspect of life. I feel so bad for Brittany Spears and Ann Nichole Smith.
I think this was cruel patriarchy thinking that sexualized women is an excuse for men and stalkers to torment and socially murder women. Since they can't have her physically they socially murder women. Interogating women's sexuality, who they have sex with or if they are a virgin is just a form of disempowering them. Brittany Spears is a female empowered matriarchy the supported her family, parents, and husband. Because the roles were reversed in patriarchy, she was socially murdered and it's a miracle that she is alive.
Extreme patriarchy is toxic to women who carry sexual and social power.
@@humwishdom7918 What the hell? Women are part of the industry too and were just as guilty in tearing her down as the men. Stop making this a gendered thing.
Anna Nicole Smith was a target because she was in Playboy and married an old man who everyone assumed she married for the money, especially his kids. They thought she was a conniving sl*t, ready to swoop in take her husband's money as soon as he croaked. Who knows if it was true or not, I remember her well enough, but I wasn't even an adult or a very young adult when she died.
@@humwishdom7918 Right on the money. Anyone who doesn't want to see that is either not from the US or BLIND
The Greater good 🧟♂️
@@humwishdom7918 That is completely wrong... It's not about males men patriarchy, it's about evil and sick people in charge, women too are a part of the sick evil twisted social programming on the rest of us... Once you are a celebrity, you are turned into a puppet, used and abused to influence the masses. Yeah you get rich but you pay a price..
I'd rather be in the shadows than be in everybody's light... remain unknown than known
i think you are really on to something with the part of the video addressing Ashley. I have noticed this as well, along with other CZcamsrs it seems like the more vulnerable and intimate the content is, the far more vicious and judgmental the supposed fans and non fans are. you describe the situation, told the story very well- you should totally make a full video about it!!
There's nothing like a bunch of strangers who likely have their own hidden skeletons try to moral grandstand against you because you shaved your head.
I never understood it. So she changed her hairstyle? So what? I’ve changed my hair more times than I can count. If anything people should have been concerned, “Are you okay? Do you need someone to talk to?” Or say “Hey if you like your hair this way then I’m happy if you’re happy.” But the way people vilified her for daring to defy their expectations of who she is has always baffled me. Leave Britney alone.
@@loverrlee Like literally, the way people react to celebrities having breakdowns is ridiculous, they ridicule them, they don't give the time to understand that they could be going through something since they are also human. Then when celebrities come out with how they were abused, then suddenly it's "Oh I'm so sorry that happened to you, we are here for you and love you so much" as if they weren't mocking them before.
@@BratzRockAngels Not all celebs mess up in Hollywood, PrincessPonyLover. There are some who stayed okay, like Hilary Duff.
BTW I do agree that the media should tone down their bullying of celebs in crisis. I mean, drug/booze addiction and mental illness are no joke. Period.
Thanks, girl.
That point for me was made when Britney was interviewed by Matt Lauer.
@@karlc2869 when one person follows a celebrity around, it's stalking. When a crowd follows them around, its paparazzi.
the thing about ashley was so scary and obsessive. i felt suffocated for her.
i see myself so much in her and the sort of nitpicking is the thing i do to myself. i can't imagine if on top of me other people were saying the same things
Literally who the hell thought that was okay
The section about bestdressed was fascinating. I found and loved her in 2018/19, and was really saddened when she's stopped uploading. I had no idea why until now. Holy shit. Wtf. That's so rude and awful of people & so not anything that her channel/brand/expectations cultivated. I hope her the best.
I love your essays, they are so well constructed. I find a lot of video essays end up becoming convoluted and 3 hours long with no support. You do such a great job at making your claims clearly and supporting it with evidence in a convincing way. And they are so interesting to watch! Thank you!!
Looking back on the footage of Britney in 2007 I have no idea how she survived. I don’t think I could have.
Literally every single person who listens to You're Wrong About is hot
I would take a bullet for that gd show
simply the best podcast
I live for sarah’s “mmm”’s
@@giocarrilo3259 i live for her random comments - they are always the best
I squealed like a school girl when I heard Mike and Sarah.
Miss Deschanel, I absolutely ADORE your incredibly thoughtful, cohesive, introspective, deep insight into many topics & concepts. I especially liked your "Eyes Wide Shut" analysis. You are amazing. Thank you 😊💕
I don't know how I haven't seen this channel before, your research is impeccable and everything is on point. Many thanks to your great team and you.
The worst part about all of this is that her father has used her and her sister like ATM’s. He is a truly evil man.
Very evil
Omg, don't even get into Jamie Lynn, there are rumors that Dan Schneider is the father of her first kid.
The ownership of a celebrity is something I’ve always found fascinating, the backlash that I’ve seen leveled at CZcamsrs for changing or trying something different is astounding!
“I subscribed to you for one thing and one thing only, stay in your lane!”
What you're doing is so important and eye opening. There might come a day where your opinions start to differ, and your image in our eyes starts to change. We'll know how to handle that gap then. Thanks for educating us
that intro!! 👏 👏 👏 can't wait to go IN on this video
well done!!!! this is cutting edge content.
I adore your yt channel!