The Amanda Palmer response the victim DID NOT tell her what happened she said initially Neil "made a pass" at her and that's when Amanda Palmer reportedly said the "14th fucking woman" thing
This. It's really disgusting that this video remains up and uncorrected after so much time and that no due diligence was put into ascertaining the facts before putting it out there as "outrage fodder". The whole tone feels exploitative of what these women went through and it's really depressing that people with platforms are using other people's trauma and adversity to self-promote like this.
Close. A lot of people (myself included) remembered it this way. However, what happened in the podcast was: S told AP that NG made a pass at her. AP said “I bet.” Podcast narrates that S used this interaction to broach a difficult topic with AP, and S then sat and talked with AP about her experiences in that household with NG. S says they stayed up talking very late, until at least 2am. And that AP appeared agitated/concerned (my paraphrase). And that’s when she says that AP told her she was the fourteenth person to come to her about Gaiman’s actions.
Regardless of conversation specifics - Amanda Palmer brought a vulnerable young woman who trusted her to an island to stay in her husband's house, instead of her own separate house, knowing her husband was at the very least sleazy & did not warn the girl.
Devastating. Why can't these guys just be good people..... this is heartbreaking.... for fans.... and for women. I'm so fucking sick of this. Can we just send him to jail.
No . I think the whole world is built on power, bullying, sex abuse etc. Its how people get energy and strength and dominance . Its no longer the odd rogue baddie, it seems to be structural . I've reported a few men like this and even high ranking police women just laughed . Even serious rape and paedophilia isnt taken seriously . Globally it is endemic in every corner and strata of society . In cultures with digital social credit scores the big bullies at the top just use digital ID to get away with even worse things. It's terrible, and very very sad. We basically have to guard ourselves and our friends and families. We cant rely on goodness.
This video should be updated with a correction. When Amanda was told, what she was told was that Neil had made a pass at Scarlet, and this was after she and Neil had split up. Amanda was not told at that time that the act was violent or nonconsensual. She and Neil were in an open relationship and so, yes, communication is key. She was exasperated because Neil was out there hitting on women while in an open relationship and yet he was not communicating that to them, and it was getting back to her, which put her in a very awkward situation. She also had ended things with him because even when they were no longer in an open relationship, he continued to seek other women out sexually, and their relationship deteriorated as a result of this, their conflicting touring schedules, and the stresses of being under house arrest together at the beginning of the pandemic. To cast her as being somehow complicit in his predatory behaviour is both inaccurate and dangerous. Amanda has said and done a lot of things that have been controversial, some rightfully so, but she doesn't deserve to be called an SA enabler or have it implied that she was part of a cover-up.
I do not agree. Sure, the conversation she had with Scarlet might not have gotten into details of violence during their conversation, but I do not believe that she had no idea he was being aggressive toward these women after talking to at least 14 of them about this (at least one would have said the encounters were getting violent). She was also married to him while most of these assaults were taking place. If she truly had no idea it was because she was being willfully ignorant to what was happening in her own home. Not to mention that it has been a month and we have four official victims now and she still has yet to come forward supporting the victims or condemning Gaiman. She clearly had some sort of knowledge of this and is now also trying to ignore it until it goes away.
@@spencerfantasticThank you. The “fourteenth person to go to AP” comment is a bit murky. Because in the podcast, AP tells S that she was the fourteenth person to come to her about Gaiman. Scarlett says this after telling about staying up all night talking with Amanda about what happened between herself and Gaiman. And she says it’s “fucked up” that Amanda Palmer knew of all these other women and did nothing. And still invited Scarlett herself into their home. So it’s definitely implied that Amanda Palmer knew some of the extent of what Gaiman was doing, and should have known better than to bring Scarlett there under the pretext of childcare work. When Scarlett initially approached Amanda Palmer about this, she said that Gaiman “made a pass at her.” And Palmer’s response was “Bet.”
Tbh, I'm shocked at the way you're presenting this story. You talk about a bunch of reddit posts and a summary of a podcast you haven't acually listened to as though they were proven fact and evidence of his guilt in all allegations. I'm not saying I think Gaiman is innocent in this. I think that multiple people coming forward usually is a pretty clear sign that there's got to be some legitimate reason for the accusations. But as someone who's reporting on this story on a public forum you have a certain responsibility. I'm honestly shocked at the way you frame almost every piece of online discourse as though it was the obvious truth. Lots of it might very well turn out to be the truth. But we don't know that for sure just yet. And I think it's irresponsible to frame this story as though we had any sort of hard evidence. I'm not saying this to try and side with Gaiman or discredit the women who have come forward in any way. I think that that the age gap and power imbalance of him having an affair with very young women, one of whom was the live-in nanny to his son, is disgusting! And even just the (supposedly consentual) encounters he has openly admitted to so far are enough to make my skin crawl. But I think that when you're reporting on any sort of story in which someone is being accused of a crime, it's your responsibility to clearly separate the things you know for a fact to be true from the things that you or other people believe to be true. And there are several points in this video where that distinction between fact and allegation or belief is not just blurred, but crossed completely. It's important to believe victims of abuse and investigate their claims to get justice. But belief is not fact. And acting as though it was was ahead of time is not fighting for justice or being an ally.
I had a college writing professor who wanted to introduce me to him - I was flattered at the time but backed out bc I hadn’t read any of his books. This was back in the early 2000s - I used to look back on this “opportunity” with regret, but it looks like I dodged a bullet 😥
I was a huge fan of Gaiman. His writing helped me a lot when I was 16 and was struggling. Over the years I learned that there aren’t any good or bad people. There are just people and they are doing people things. And sadly one of those things is hurting others and not respecting boundaries. I read and engage with a lot of feminist media and especially the podcast of Matt Bernstein on Amber Heard and the myth of the perfect victim helped me understand why so many people have strong emotions when it comes to celebrities getting accused. I’m and always was in the always believe the victims first because of everything that goes on in the world and the immense amount of victims who will never go to the police bc of that. But it still hurts when one of the people who you truly looked up to turns out to be an abuser. Especially when he framed himself as a feminist and now calls paints one of the women as crazy and admitted being in relationships with women who are not even half his age. It’s disgusting.
I get the impression Moore has this kind of thing but the women probably would like it. In addition, Moore is not a family man. Pretty sure, Alan Moore was a drug dealer in his youth, id read, like LSD.
9:50 I had to pause the podcast to process for a moment when one of the victims mentioned that Amanda had told her that 14 other women had already approached her for the same reason. It is so sad and scary to see how powerful and famous people can get away with so many horrible things. 13:41 wow... 15:50 So sad that's true Good video on the matter!
How haven't i heard of this yet? My god Edit: miss gaiman's wife what do you mean you're taking neil's side after at least 14 (tf??) women told you what happened to them? Ma'am!!??
1. They were divorced then, so she was not married to him when she said this. 2. Maybe more importantly the victim did not, from what I can gather, tell Amanda anything about the nature of the things he did/details, she basically just said that he made a pass at her, but nothing more, and that was the comment Amanda responded to. She might not have known anything about the more serious stuff that he has done. If she did ofc that`s not ok in any way, but from what I`ve seen nothing yet about her knowing about more stuff.
The power imbalance is profound. I was a huge fan of his writing. My shelves are covered in his books. I’ve bought and rebought copies over the years because I read them again and again. I’m getting rid of them all. This is unconscionable. She was a child compare to him. I’m 40. My daughter is 22 and I have friends 10-20 years younger than me. I am very aware of my experience and my position as someone who has been an adult as long as some of them have been alive. Gaiman would have had a crazy amount of power over these young women. Any sexual relationship was inappropriate and this was clearly SA.
No, the intial set up may be propositioned but the repeat instances with the other women sounds like a type of misconduct. Also, having your side woman sign a NDA contract to not speak about any sexual activity is deeply disturbing.
@@te9591 That's not what I'm adressing. The nanny said to Amanda Palmer that he made a pass at her. Amanda Palmer responded that this had happened to 14 other women. Propositioned not assaulted. I don't know if or how many women Gaiman has or has not assaulted but Amanda Palmer said that she was aware of 14 women he had propositioned. Further down in the comments section you assert that Gaiman has assaulted multiple women based on the 14 that Palmer said she was aware that he propositioned. It is a serious issue that you should not muddy up by twisting the facts. Please stop that.
@theswan1852 no, i made no such comment on claiming he's assaulted multiple other women. Ive been very clear on my comments being conjecture. Also, you didn't address the NDA mention.
Humans are NOT good. Neil Gaiman is NOT a piece of shit. The women were NOT lying. Interpretation is for the court of law and NOT for gossip online. Do with it whatever you want.
That's a huge bias, saying that you won't watch a podcast by Rachel Johnson because you're not a fan of Boris Johnson. They're individual people, and she's not her brother's biggest fan, either.
@@spencerfantastic I'm not familiar with much of RJ's work, either. But, living in the UK, we've seen a lot more of her distancing herself from Boris, for many years.
first of all HOW DO YOU ONLY HAVE 476 SUBS?! I EXPECTED MORE OMG. THIS IS SO GOOD. also love the bookshelf and your intro. subbed immediately. that being said these allegations have shook me to my core, as a fan of at least three Gaiman pieces of media, especially Good Omens. I think you spoke about this very well and it was very informative about what's been going on with more details than I had known so far. Thank you for this video and I look forward to the follow up.
Go ahead, downvote me, but I have to ask this: why is it that conservative authors get banned from cons and cancelled simply for having views most (my liberal self included) disagree with, but Gaiman is largely getting a pass? We should respond to the way people act, not the views they have and express...but within reason, of course. Banning an author from a con for being a literal "WWII bad guy" is one thing, banning them for tweeting that they're pro-life is another. As for Gaiman, the fact is the power imbalance between a rich, much older, famous author and young fans is so great that it makes any kind of sexual relationship between them problematic as Hell. Guys like Gaiman should stick to older, professional women who are on his same level when it comes to power dynamics. With this many women coming out, I think we can safely say he is nasty.
Well, for a start you are lying and conervatives get banned form nothing for having views, while you think Gaiman never did anything he is accused of, so there is that, on the one hand, cancellation isnt real, on the other you dont think Gaiman assaulted anyone.
@@dorianleakey Huh? When did I say Gaiman never did anything? He probably did, considering the many women who have come out and accused him. I always thought the guy was kinda weird, and not in the good way. Second, yes, conservatives have been banned from cons for just being conservative. People like Larry Corea, Orson Scott Card and Jon Del Aroz have been banned and "uninvited" for no reason other than that "they make people uncomfortable," i.e., they have politics most in the industry disagree with
@@rumrunner8019isn’t Orso Scott Cart like a well know bigot though? Where he has made blogs and comments that he says that Homosexuality is a sin that it should be illegal, same sex should be also be illegal and that it’s a choice? I wouldn’t defend that guy at all :/
@@kay-jay1581He never said it should be illegal. He only opposed same sex marriage years ago, as did Hillary Clinton and Obama. And it is a sin in his religion. So? Should Muslims be banned from cons because they are "bigoted" against pork eaters?
The answer to the first question is that trust should not be unconditional. We can change for the good or the ill as our whole being is only established at the moment of our death.
Now a third victim has come forward in another podcast - so the people who dismissed the victims just because TERF Johnson was involved with the podcast (because one of the victims initially contacted her), have no excuse now.
Have you seen the new allegations which are not on tortoise but on a podcast run by a licenced mental health counsellor? It's on season 4 episode 2 of Am I broken : survivor stories. On buzzsprout. The person speaking describes how she was groomed by Gaiman as a young fan, how he gaslit her into believing that she was to blame. She tried to speak to journalist several years ago but nobody wanted to take her story.
This man was a good friend of Terry Pratchett. Do I now have to start wondering about Pratchett?? I know guilt by association is not a good thing, but Pratchett seemed so intuitive and worldly enough to know that nobody's perfect, and I find myself wondering what he knew, or if he knew, about any of this, and It just breaks my heart.
I wouldnt worry. Its quite possible to be around people doing awful things and not know or not pry . In the UK we tend to be concerned with our own morals and let others be concerned about theirs. We dont judge. Terry probably just butted out of other people's affairs.
Have you seen the new allegations which are not on tortoise but on a podcast run by a licenced mental health counsellor? It's on season 4 episode 2 of Am I broken : survivor stories. On buzzsprout. The person speaking describes how she was groomed by Gaiman as a young fan, how he gaslit her into believing that she was to blame. She tried to speak to journalist several years ago but nobody wanted to take her story.
I have never liked NG for many reasons. One reason is the offensive cultural appropriation. Another is his vibe during interviews and yet another is the worship of him as a charismatic writer because I find his content is somewhat blah and boring. Glad my instincts were working in my favor. I'm an SA and DV survivor so my radar is always on triple alert. Hoping his victims get justice.
If someone assaults you. Report to the police and don’t send your abuser a text saying “thanks for the great night.” It’s a job working as a nanny. Just quit. Be an adult.
if this goes to legal proceedings it will probably be dismissed due to the this type of coverage. not weighing in on if i think he did it or not just remarking how the legal system works - trial by media can easily get a case thrown out of court
Tapping out at reason 1 given as to why you didn't listen to the podcast... you not a fan of Boris Johnson, so dont want to listen to some investigative journalism by his sister. Pffft. Sheeesh.
It keeps happening because some people value money and attention more than truth and dignity. The instant bandwagoning by online lynch mobs like this one are another reason why it keeps happening.
With SA, that's an issue, isn't it? Because it is notoriously hard to prove, that's where the "Believe Women" movement comes from. R@pists use "she can't prove it" all the time and it fucking works
Till its proven in court that he did something wrong, i support Neil, innocent until proven guilty sorry.. and before anyone gives me shit yes i know i should believe all women but.. women lie about this kinda thing for a freebe settlement check all the time. ive been SA,ed i know how horrible it is to have no one believe you but i also know guys that have had there lives ruined for nothing. so till i know the truth i will remain silent thats all there is to it !
It's very uncommon, it's not "all the time." It's still horrible, but from the studies I've seen about this, usually it's related to mental illness or trying to get out of trouble by accusing someone else (I'm thinking of British studies, but from what I can tell this holds true for North America too). It's really not easy to get a settlement cheque, and your life as a victim really is more likely to be ruined than the perpetrator's. Think about the percentage of accused SAers who are convicted or go to prison. It's almost none of them. So it's a very very dumb way to try to get money.
Please don't say women do this "all the time." Where is the proof of that? So many men say that even when they are guilt of a crime. I'm sure some women try to jump on a bandwagon in hopes of a payout, but I have never seen evidence to suggest that it happens all the time.
Your assumption of guilt is pretty bad. In such instances we treat the accuser and accused with the appropriate dignity until the case is proven. The effects of a false alligation of this kind can be an assault in its own right with people losing work, reputation, contact with family members and trauma that can last the remainder of a life time. Just as women are rarely believed or listened to, victims of false alligations are always subject to "no smoke without fire" innuendo. Wait for the verdict. If the trial looks dubious go for that angle. If Gaiman is guilty he is deserving of scorn and a lengthy prison sentence. Will you be making a retraction video if he is proved innocent?
Well, this is the first I've heard of this. Now I have to throw out all the Sandman TPBs I've had for over 25 years along with my other Neil Gaiman books.
@quirkyblackenby you don't send people to jail on people memories. If you're saying that he's guilty of anything that happens after a trail . I've seen too many block men spend years in prison because a white woman said he attacked me, with no other proof than that. So if you're going to say someone did anything you better have some real proof to back up what you're saying. Otherwise anyone can say anything about anyone. And in today's world that's pretty much what's going on
The Amanda Palmer response the victim DID NOT tell her what happened she said initially Neil "made a pass" at her and that's when Amanda Palmer reportedly said the "14th fucking woman" thing
This. It's really disgusting that this video remains up and uncorrected after so much time and that no due diligence was put into ascertaining the facts before putting it out there as "outrage fodder". The whole tone feels exploitative of what these women went through and it's really depressing that people with platforms are using other people's trauma and adversity to self-promote like this.
Close. A lot of people (myself included) remembered it this way. However, what happened in the podcast was: S told AP that NG made a pass at her. AP said “I bet.” Podcast narrates that S used this interaction to broach a difficult topic with AP, and S then sat and talked with AP about her experiences in that household with NG. S says they stayed up talking very late, until at least 2am. And that AP appeared agitated/concerned (my paraphrase). And that’s when she says that AP told her she was the fourteenth person to come to her about Gaiman’s actions.
Regardless of conversation specifics - Amanda Palmer brought a vulnerable young woman who trusted her to an island to stay in her husband's house, instead of her own separate house, knowing her husband was at the very least sleazy & did not warn the girl.
Devastating. Why can't these guys just be good people..... this is heartbreaking.... for fans.... and for women. I'm so fucking sick of this. Can we just send him to jail.
No . I think the whole world is built on power, bullying, sex abuse etc. Its how people get energy and strength and dominance . Its no longer the odd rogue baddie, it seems to be structural . I've reported a few men like this and even high ranking police women just laughed . Even serious rape and paedophilia isnt taken seriously . Globally it is endemic in every corner and strata of society . In cultures with digital social credit scores the big bullies at the top just use digital ID to get away with even worse things. It's terrible, and very very sad. We basically have to guard ourselves and our friends and families. We cant rely on goodness.
@mythtree6348,
all true. 💙
This video should be updated with a correction. When Amanda was told, what she was told was that Neil had made a pass at Scarlet, and this was after she and Neil had split up. Amanda was not told at that time that the act was violent or nonconsensual. She and Neil were in an open relationship and so, yes, communication is key. She was exasperated because Neil was out there hitting on women while in an open relationship and yet he was not communicating that to them, and it was getting back to her, which put her in a very awkward situation. She also had ended things with him because even when they were no longer in an open relationship, he continued to seek other women out sexually, and their relationship deteriorated as a result of this, their conflicting touring schedules, and the stresses of being under house arrest together at the beginning of the pandemic. To cast her as being somehow complicit in his predatory behaviour is both inaccurate and dangerous. Amanda has said and done a lot of things that have been controversial, some rightfully so, but she doesn't deserve to be called an SA enabler or have it implied that she was part of a cover-up.
I do not agree. Sure, the conversation she had with Scarlet might not have gotten into details of violence during their conversation, but I do not believe that she had no idea he was being aggressive toward these women after talking to at least 14 of them about this (at least one would have said the encounters were getting violent). She was also married to him while most of these assaults were taking place. If she truly had no idea it was because she was being willfully ignorant to what was happening in her own home. Not to mention that it has been a month and we have four official victims now and she still has yet to come forward supporting the victims or condemning Gaiman. She clearly had some sort of knowledge of this and is now also trying to ignore it until it goes away.
@@spencerfantasticThank you. The “fourteenth person to go to AP” comment is a bit murky. Because in the podcast, AP tells S that she was the fourteenth person to come to her about Gaiman. Scarlett says this after telling about staying up all night talking with Amanda about what happened between herself and Gaiman. And she says it’s “fucked up” that Amanda Palmer knew of all these other women and did nothing. And still invited Scarlett herself into their home.
So it’s definitely implied that Amanda Palmer knew some of the extent of what Gaiman was doing, and should have known better than to bring Scarlett there under the pretext of childcare work.
When Scarlett initially approached Amanda Palmer about this, she said that Gaiman “made a pass at her.” And Palmer’s response was “Bet.”
Tbh, I'm shocked at the way you're presenting this story. You talk about a bunch of reddit posts and a summary of a podcast you haven't acually listened to as though they were proven fact and evidence of his guilt in all allegations. I'm not saying I think Gaiman is innocent in this. I think that multiple people coming forward usually is a pretty clear sign that there's got to be some legitimate reason for the accusations. But as someone who's reporting on this story on a public forum you have a certain responsibility. I'm honestly shocked at the way you frame almost every piece of online discourse as though it was the obvious truth. Lots of it might very well turn out to be the truth. But we don't know that for sure just yet. And I think it's irresponsible to frame this story as though we had any sort of hard evidence. I'm not saying this to try and side with Gaiman or discredit the women who have come forward in any way. I think that that the age gap and power imbalance of him having an affair with very young women, one of whom was the live-in nanny to his son, is disgusting! And even just the (supposedly consentual) encounters he has openly admitted to so far are enough to make my skin crawl. But I think that when you're reporting on any sort of story in which someone is being accused of a crime, it's your responsibility to clearly separate the things you know for a fact to be true from the things that you or other people believe to be true. And there are several points in this video where that distinction between fact and allegation or belief is not just blurred, but crossed completely. It's important to believe victims of abuse and investigate their claims to get justice. But belief is not fact. And acting as though it was was ahead of time is not fighting for justice or being an ally.
I had a college writing professor who wanted to introduce me to him - I was flattered at the time but backed out bc I hadn’t read any of his books. This was back in the early 2000s - I used to look back on this “opportunity” with regret, but it looks like I dodged a bullet 😥
I was a huge fan of Gaiman. His writing helped me a lot when I was 16 and was struggling. Over the years I learned that there aren’t any good or bad people. There are just people and they are doing people things. And sadly one of those things is hurting others and not respecting boundaries. I read and engage with a lot of feminist media and especially the podcast of Matt Bernstein on Amber Heard and the myth of the perfect victim helped me understand why so many people have strong emotions when it comes to celebrities getting accused. I’m and always was in the always believe the victims first because of everything that goes on in the world and the immense amount of victims who will never go to the police bc of that. But it still hurts when one of the people who you truly looked up to turns out to be an abuser. Especially when he framed himself as a feminist and now calls paints one of the women as crazy and admitted being in relationships with women who are not even half his age. It’s disgusting.
Sorry but assault makes you a bad person
We are foundamentaly people
This keeps happening because with the internet everyone knows everything about everyone.
This sucks sooo much. I'm so tired of news like this 😑
Regarding faith in humanity though, if you haven't, check out humankind by Rutger Bregman.
I still can't process this to be honest.
If anything comes out about Alan Moore I will be completely heartbroken.
Don't read the comic he made about the girls' school. 😳
I get the impression Moore has this kind of thing but the women probably would like it. In addition, Moore is not a family man. Pretty sure, Alan Moore was a drug dealer in his youth, id read, like LSD.
9:50 I had to pause the podcast to process for a moment when one of the victims mentioned that Amanda had told her that 14 other women had already approached her for the same reason. It is so sad and scary to see how powerful and famous people can get away with so many horrible things.
13:41 wow...
15:50 So sad that's true
Good video on the matter!
How haven't i heard of this yet? My god
Edit: miss gaiman's wife what do you mean you're taking neil's side after at least 14 (tf??) women told you what happened to them? Ma'am!!??
They got divorced around the time the allegations were made to the police
1. They were divorced then, so she was not married to him when she said this. 2. Maybe more importantly the victim did not, from what I can gather, tell Amanda anything about the nature of the things he did/details, she basically just said that he made a pass at her, but nothing more, and that was the comment Amanda responded to. She might not have known anything about the more serious stuff that he has done. If she did ofc that`s not ok in any way, but from what I`ve seen nothing yet about her knowing about more stuff.
The power imbalance is profound. I was a huge fan of his writing. My shelves are covered in his books. I’ve bought and rebought copies over the years because I read them again and again. I’m getting rid of them all. This is unconscionable. She was a child compare to him. I’m 40. My daughter is 22 and I have friends 10-20 years younger than me. I am very aware of my experience and my position as someone who has been an adult as long as some of them have been alive. Gaiman would have had a crazy amount of power over these young women. Any sexual relationship was inappropriate and this was clearly SA.
2:30 Amanda Palmer knew that they had been sexually propositioned, not assaulted. Important difference. Please be more careful.
No, the intial set up may be propositioned but the repeat instances with the other women sounds like a type of misconduct. Also, having your side woman sign a NDA contract to not speak about any sexual activity is deeply disturbing.
@@te9591 That's not what I'm adressing. The nanny said to Amanda Palmer that he made a pass at her. Amanda Palmer responded that this had happened to 14 other women. Propositioned not assaulted. I don't know if or how many women Gaiman has or has not assaulted but Amanda Palmer said that she was aware of 14 women he had propositioned. Further down in the comments section you assert that Gaiman has assaulted multiple women based on the 14 that Palmer said she was aware that he propositioned. It is a serious issue that you should not muddy up by twisting the facts. Please stop that.
@theswan1852 no, i made no such comment on claiming he's assaulted multiple other women. Ive been very clear on my comments being conjecture. Also, you didn't address the NDA mention.
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@Serai3 two plus fourteen is sixteen. I think sixteen counts as “multiple”
@@te9591 I'm not addressing the NDA mention at all. I'm talking about what you said Amana Palmer said.
Humans are NOT good. Neil Gaiman is NOT a piece of shit. The women were NOT lying. Interpretation is for the court of law and NOT for gossip online. Do with it whatever you want.
Sorry but some humans are better than some others. We can't dismiss those creepy disgusting behaviours just like that.
That's a huge bias, saying that you won't watch a podcast by Rachel Johnson because you're not a fan of Boris Johnson. They're individual people, and she's not her brother's biggest fan, either.
@@GlasPthalocyanine yeah you’re right but I am familiar with some of her stuff and shes not the best either. I could have focused on her work though
@@spencerfantastic I'm not familiar with much of RJ's work, either. But, living in the UK, we've seen a lot more of her distancing herself from Boris, for many years.
Isn't Johnson a TERF tho?
It's because system protects powerful men
Oh really! 🤨
And powerful women.
@@mabusestestament Exactly! Power protects power. It doesn't give a sh*t about your ideologies or what gender you are.
the most abusive men i knew were being controlled by even more abusive women. it's like stepford wives in reality.
first of all HOW DO YOU ONLY HAVE 476 SUBS?! I EXPECTED MORE OMG. THIS IS SO GOOD.
also love the bookshelf and your intro. subbed immediately.
that being said these allegations have shook me to my core, as a fan of at least three Gaiman pieces of media, especially Good Omens. I think you spoke about this very well and it was very informative about what's been going on with more details than I had known so far. Thank you for this video and I look forward to the follow up.
Go ahead, downvote me, but I have to ask this: why is it that conservative authors get banned from cons and cancelled simply for having views most (my liberal self included) disagree with, but Gaiman is largely getting a pass? We should respond to the way people act, not the views they have and express...but within reason, of course. Banning an author from a con for being a literal "WWII bad guy" is one thing, banning them for tweeting that they're pro-life is another.
As for Gaiman, the fact is the power imbalance between a rich, much older, famous author and young fans is so great that it makes any kind of sexual relationship between them problematic as Hell. Guys like Gaiman should stick to older, professional women who are on his same level when it comes to power dynamics. With this many women coming out, I think we can safely say he is nasty.
Because conservatives are viewed as ‘the other team’. It’s tribalism.
Well, for a start you are lying and conervatives get banned form nothing for having views, while you think Gaiman never did anything he is accused of, so there is that, on the one hand, cancellation isnt real, on the other you dont think Gaiman assaulted anyone.
@@dorianleakey Huh? When did I say Gaiman never did anything? He probably did, considering the many women who have come out and accused him. I always thought the guy was kinda weird, and not in the good way.
Second, yes, conservatives have been banned from cons for just being conservative. People like Larry Corea, Orson Scott Card and Jon Del Aroz have been banned and "uninvited" for no reason other than that "they make people uncomfortable," i.e., they have politics most in the industry disagree with
@@rumrunner8019isn’t Orso Scott Cart like a well know bigot though? Where he has made blogs and comments that he says that Homosexuality is a sin that it should be illegal, same sex should be also be illegal and that it’s a choice? I wouldn’t defend that guy at all :/
@@kay-jay1581He never said it should be illegal. He only opposed same sex marriage years ago, as did Hillary Clinton and Obama. And it is a sin in his religion. So? Should Muslims be banned from cons because they are "bigoted" against pork eaters?
incredibly unrelated to the subject of the video, but i love your bookcase!
@@TastesLikeKurodo thank you!
Are you posting this on other social media sites?
The answer to the first question is that trust should not be unconditional. We can change for the good or the ill as our whole being is only established at the moment of our death.
Now a third victim has come forward in another podcast - so the people who dismissed the victims just because TERF Johnson was involved with the podcast (because one of the victims initially contacted her), have no excuse now.
Thanks for this clear assessment. Really agree with you.
Have you seen the new allegations which are not on tortoise but on a podcast run by a licenced mental health counsellor? It's on season 4 episode 2 of Am I broken : survivor stories. On buzzsprout. The person speaking describes how she was groomed by Gaiman as a young fan, how he gaslit her into believing that she was to blame. She tried to speak to journalist several years ago but nobody wanted to take her story.
This man was a good friend of Terry Pratchett. Do I now have to start wondering about Pratchett?? I know guilt by association is not a good thing, but Pratchett seemed so intuitive and worldly enough to know that nobody's perfect, and I find myself wondering what he knew, or if he knew, about any of this, and It just breaks my heart.
I wouldnt worry. Its quite possible to be around people doing awful things and not know or not pry . In the UK we tend to be concerned with our own morals and let others be concerned about theirs. We dont judge. Terry probably just butted out of other people's affairs.
Off topic I like your look and vibe, look like a webcomic character I would draw
@@ArmyNavyAcademy Ahhh thank you so much
What multiple women? 2, yes. I haven’t heard of any more reports. You said Multiple in your title.
Probably refers to the 14 women that Amanda Palmer says also complained to her.
Have you seen the new allegations which are not on tortoise but on a podcast run by a licenced mental health counsellor? It's on season 4 episode 2 of Am I broken : survivor stories. On buzzsprout. The person speaking describes how she was groomed by Gaiman as a young fan, how he gaslit her into believing that she was to blame. She tried to speak to journalist several years ago but nobody wanted to take her story.
I have never liked NG for many reasons. One reason is the offensive cultural appropriation. Another is his vibe during interviews and yet another is the worship of him as a charismatic writer because I find his content is somewhat blah and boring. Glad my instincts were working in my favor. I'm an SA and DV survivor so my radar is always on triple alert. Hoping his victims get justice.
If someone assaults you. Report to the police and don’t send your abuser a text saying “thanks for the great night.” It’s a job working as a nanny. Just quit. Be an adult.
if this goes to legal proceedings it will probably be dismissed due to the this type of coverage.
not weighing in on if i think he did it or not just remarking how the legal system works - trial by media can easily get a case thrown out of court
Tapping out at reason 1 given as to why you didn't listen to the podcast... you not a fan of Boris Johnson, so dont want to listen to some investigative journalism by his sister. Pffft. Sheeesh.
It keeps happening because some people value money and attention more than truth and dignity. The instant bandwagoning by online lynch mobs like this one are another reason why it keeps happening.
Let us please remember in this country you are innocent until proven guilty.
With SA, that's an issue, isn't it? Because it is notoriously hard to prove, that's where the "Believe Women" movement comes from. R@pists use "she can't prove it" all the time and it fucking works
And if your powerful, you're never found guilty.
this isn't a courtroom.
So are the accusers innocent of lying until proven guilty, or are they assumed to be liars until proven innocent?
@@sashaboydcom I'm not doing a witch hunt on the accusers. You are doing a witch hunt on the ones being accused. Don't get this twisted.
Till its proven in court that he did something wrong, i support Neil, innocent until proven guilty sorry.. and before anyone gives me shit yes i know i should believe all women but.. women lie about this kinda thing for a freebe settlement check all the time. ive been SA,ed i know how horrible it is to have no one believe you but i also know guys that have had there lives ruined for nothing. so till i know the truth i will remain silent thats all there is to it !
bro 2% of accusations are false. there's too many potential victims to defend him. people really don't lie about such things.
It's very uncommon, it's not "all the time." It's still horrible, but from the studies I've seen about this, usually it's related to mental illness or trying to get out of trouble by accusing someone else (I'm thinking of British studies, but from what I can tell this holds true for North America too). It's really not easy to get a settlement cheque, and your life as a victim really is more likely to be ruined than the perpetrator's. Think about the percentage of accused SAers who are convicted or go to prison. It's almost none of them. So it's a very very dumb way to try to get money.
Please don't say women do this "all the time." Where is the proof of that? So many men say that even when they are guilt of a crime. I'm sure some women try to jump on a bandwagon in hopes of a payout, but I have never seen evidence to suggest that it happens all the time.
Your assumption of guilt is pretty bad. In such instances we treat the accuser and accused with the appropriate dignity until the case is proven. The effects of a false alligation of this kind can be an assault in its own right with people losing work, reputation, contact with family members and trauma that can last the remainder of a life time. Just as women are rarely believed or listened to, victims of false alligations are always subject to "no smoke without fire" innuendo. Wait for the verdict. If the trial looks dubious go for that angle. If Gaiman is guilty he is deserving of scorn and a lengthy prison sentence. Will you be making a retraction video if he is proved innocent?
do you know how rare false accusations are? and if it was one woman than maybe, but not that many
So sleeping with somebody famous but not getting anything in return is an assault now?! Ridiculous
Two is not "multiple". Clickbait sucks.
@@Serai3 two plus fourteen is sixteen. I think sixteen counts as “multiple”
@@spencerfantastic He sexually PROPOSITIONED "14 women" and 2 accused him of assault. Do you see how these things get out of hand.
Well, this is the first I've heard of this. Now I have to throw out all the Sandman TPBs I've had for over 25 years along with my other Neil Gaiman books.
... and move out of America because Columbus was an asshole. Please. If we only read the works of angels then there would be nothing to read.
Don't believe women.
Go play in traffic, boy.
You knew something like proof that he did something wrong would be something. Not just people saying that ne did something wrong
What proof do you want? Most people aren’t gonna have video or audio recordings of their SA. All they’re gonna have is their memory
@quirkyblackenby you don't send people to jail on people memories. If you're saying that he's guilty of anything that happens after a trail . I've seen too many block men spend years in prison because a white woman said he attacked me, with no other proof than that. So if you're going to say someone did anything you better have some real proof to back up what you're saying. Otherwise anyone can say anything about anyone. And in today's world that's pretty much what's going on
As a JP this wouldn’t pass reasonable doubt threshold. Particularly with the text messages thanking him.