This video is commentary on a teaching Mike did on how a godly wife submits, based on 1 Peter3 and Ephesians 5. Here is the original Video: • "WIVES SUBMIT" - What ...
I've been a Christian 5 years I've been trying to win him without a word since reading peter. I'm not perfect at it but growing in sanctification of this command. 6 months ago my husband started coming to church with me and more recently we also started doing family bible study most nights(with our 3 children) reading a proverb and a chapter from the new testament as well as looking at a question from the Spurgeon catachmsim. Im not sure if he is saved yet but something is happening.
Frame is kinda difficult for most newbies to understand. So, it’s awesome when this guys holds an actual Frame to remind us of a person or church’s worldview! 🖼️👌🔥
@@PostMillMan in some way, like either in the description or read it straight from your bible in the video, other than this slight ask i think you are great! Loved the video
I am PCA Presbyterian (we are the ones who believe the Bible is the inerrant, inspired word of God). I preach at an EPC Presbyterian Church.... I'm trying to get them to join the PCA. 😀
Yeah I agree with you. Mike is being a coward covering this. Women are called to submit to their husbands and I agree that calling men "knuckleheads" is wrong. Calling men made in the image of God, knuckleheads is not funny during a sermon.
To anyone interested, Mike Winger does a fantastic job answering questions biblically. I highly recommend subscribing to his page for the Q&A's. And when he doesn't know how to answer a question, he admits he doesn't know and will then go and do research using the Bible to see what all it says on the topic. 2 Timothy 4:3 "For the time will come when people will not put up sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear."
I agree Mike normally does a great job as a pastor, but I disagree on this subject that Mike did a good job. His frame is incorrect just like 99% of complementarians because the Bible actually teaches Patriarchy.
@@PostMillMan after watching your 20+ minute video, I'm confused as to what your point of the video was? Women are to submit to their husbands, men are to submit to God and lay down their lives for their wives (Ephesians 5:21-33), and anything the world has to say about marriage is irrelevant because it is God who designed all things. Where's the conflict here?
@@colinhoover5153 my point of view is that complementarianism needs to die and we need to go back to what the Bible actually teaches which is patriarchy
Mike is exactly right (based upon the Bible) your opinion never trumps what the Word of God states. Regardless of how many times you use the word frame.
Mike is not completely correct on this and Mike's word is not the word of God. God is pretty clear for women to submit to their husbands. Mike is weakening the word of God, in this case.
Nailed it. I have never seen a woman anywhere at any time in my life who follows or even believes in what the Bible teaches on her role as a wife and woman in the church. That is truly, truly amazing to me. Maybe these women exist in some other country, but I haven't seen any in the US. I often wonder what kind of consequences these rebellious women will one day face...perhaps Isaiah 4 will give us a clue.
I’ve often found it amusing that so many Christian women will say biblical roles for wives are outdated, yet these same women think the instructions to husbands are iron clad.
I try but I'm not perfect. I have grown to hate feminism and I'm trying to teach my daughter this too. She is 18 now and I use the bible to show her Gods expectations for women. It's very difficult when even the church teaches contrary.
This video is not charitable. You've nitpicked his language. Some parts where you added clarification or different frame, Im sure Mike would actually agree. What video do you actually support patriarchy biblically? What video do you support this frame that you yse biblically?
Okay, so you're asking people in what way you're wrong, so I'm going to share what I think about this video. First, I'll type out a little prayer for us: Lord, I ask that You help all of us here in this comment section to have humility, love and kindness for each other, and good doctrine, knowledge, and wisdom. Please teach us about submission and leadership, and help PostMillMan to grow in knowledge of Your word, so that he can share good doctrine with those that watch his videos, or listen to his words. So, first of all, I just wanna say that it's very brave of you to ask all of the people critiquing your video, "In what way am I wrong?" I understand it can be daunting to voice your opinion, and to be open to correction is an important quality for everyone to have, especially those that want to teach. Here are some hypothetical situations to illustrate my understanding of submission; 1. You pick your child up from school, and they say, "Dad, I wasn't able to eat all of my lunch today at school, because my friend forgot his lunch today, so I shared with him. Will you please make me something to eat now?" Now you must submit to your child out of love. Maybe you had planned to do something else with your time. Maybe you were going to watch a baseball game when you got home. But your child needs you now. You need to submit your desires for his needs. He asked you kindly to feed him. It is your responsibility to obey him, in this case. It might sound funny, but it's your responsibility to submit to and obey your child here. However, if he asks you, "Please make me a big ol' banana split." You are not obligated to obey him xD lol. 2. It is past your child's bedtime, and they are trying to sleep. The problem is that they can hear the movie you are watching from their room. They come out of their room and tell you, "Dad, I'm trying to sleep, and the tv is too loud. Can you turn off the movie and go to bed?" In this case, you do not have to *obey* your child, but you still do have to *submit* to them. You are the parent. You decide when you go to bed, or when you watch movies. That is your prerogative. However, you are becoming neglectful if you do not allow your child the sleep they need. It is your responsibility to submit to them by allowing them to sleep. You should lower the volume down, put headphones on, or do something to make sure that they are able to sleep. If you want to, you can even do what they say, and go to bed! It's not required to go that far, but you have the authority here. So that's just two examples of submission from a position of authority. Godly submission of the head of the household, toward the one with the least authority in the household. This is what the Holy Spirit means, when He tells us to submit to one another in love. Every good husband submits to his wife and children many times throughout his life. It does not mean they have less authority, or need to be obedient to them as a rule, but at some point, submission is required. It's Biblical. Here is another hypothetical example of submission. At some point, something like this probably happened in real life! Jesus is in the presence of an unnamed disciple. The disciple is going through a hard day, and is irritable and cranky. Jesus asks him, "Would you like me to tell you a joke, to cheer you up?" The disciple loses his temper, and says, "You're not funny, just go away!" It hurts Jesus' feelings, but He knows in His heart, it is the wise, and loving thing to do, to just go away like he says. Even though Jesus is the Almighty, and the King of kings, He still chooses to submit to the will of a mere sinful man, as hurt as His feelings are. That is love, and it is the ultimate authority, submitting to His beloved child. Of course the disciple apologized sincerely, and Jesus cracked him up later. Nonetheless, Jesus submitted. ------------- 4:30 - I and many others, just don't know the nuances between, complementarian, egalitarian, and patriarchal views. Maybe you should make a video explaining the differences. I just have no idea what something like, "patriarchy is the way," entails. I'm actually apprehensive about it. Do patriarchal Christians believe that men are more intelligent than women? Do they believe women are more gullible? Do they believe men are superior? I don't know. I guess I can't really judge a stance I don't understand at all, but these are some of the thoughts that just occur when I or someone else hear the word patriarchy today. ------------- 7:40 - I think Mike was humble and correct to suggest the older women guide the younger women. Even for him to go so far as to say that they'd be better equipped to teach, considering their first-hand experience. He didn't tell them not to ask him for practical advice. He just pointed out that the older women are called to it, and likely better equipped for it. You're kind of putting words in his mouth here. ------------- 9:25 - Personally, I disagree. Obeying the law is submitting to the government. Compliance and submission are not mutually exclusive. Compliance is a form of submission. -------------- 11:21 - I think Mike was being lighthearted here. The point of what he was saying, is not that he doesn't care if someone in a position of authority makes a mistake. He's making a lighthearted joke about fearing making a mistake from a position of authority. I didn't get the vibe that he doesn't care if something is going wrong. He just hates the idea of being the one that made things go wrong. -------------- 12:35 - I feel like if you're doing a sermon on wives submitting to their husbands, it's totally okay to touch on general submission, or submitting to one another. That's actually what the scripture does in the first place. It first says submit to one another, then immediately in the following verses, it specifies, wives submit to your husbands. -------------- 16:54 - "Physically, mentally, emotionally, men are stronger..." Therefore men should be in a position of authority??? If men should be in a position of authority in the church, it's because that's what God has ordained. It has nothing to do with physical, mental or emotional strength. Otherwise, only men with big muscles should be leading the church, right? Only the most intelligent should be pastors. Only the emotionally strong should be leaders. But that's not God's way. God chooses the weak and foolish to do His bidding. Also, I disagree that men are stronger than women mentally or emotionally. I'm not quite sure what you mean by that, but I've seen, heard of, and met very intelligent women. Women whose attitudes, opinions, and thoughts I've valued and admired. And unfortunately, I've met and experienced first-hand the folly that can come along with being a man. -------------- 17:50 - Mike has never said that men and women are the same in nature!!!! He has said that men and women are equal! But that's because we are!! He never said men and women are the same! He knows we're built different in body and mind! But we're still equal in the eyes of God! Men aren't superior. Superior in strength, often, but that doesn't make men superior overall. Otherwise why am I listening to what you're saying??? when I could be listening to a bodybuilder!! They're so much stronger than you! haha just joking. Obviously their strength has nothing to do with the guidance they have to offer, or the authority they hold. --------------- 18:25 - Hmm, I would not take dating advice from you xD On the surface, you're right... ideally, you want a woman that is going to be righteous and follow God's ordained structure. But if you're coming at dating like that, it's arrogant. You don't deserve a good wife, if you're going to show someone the boot for not passing your tests! How many tests have you failed? Who are you to test God's daughter? You should just be making sure that you're passing tests! How many gems of women are rowdy and rude and disobedient at one point or another in their lives? My soul mate was absolutely nuts, but I cherish her more than anything. I was absolutely nuts too!!! lol xD xD Instead of testing and straining out women that you find unappealing, you should just ask God to pick your wife. If He gives you someone disobedient, its for a good reason. Gotta be humble out there if you want a wife. Just focus on being a kind man, and someone that serves her. ------------- Okay, here's my closing prayer; Lord, I know that I cannot judge my brother without finding a speck or a plank in my own eye. I ask that you help us to see clearly, to be wise, and to help each other in this endeavor. I ask that you help me to edit my comment, so that it can be received in the way that will help PostMillMan the most, and that you touch our minds and our thoughts to remove any dark spots or lack of wisdom. I ask that you bless all of my brothers and sisters, and especially MillMan, and that You are high and lifted up. Amen. And please silence the voice of the enemy, and let Your Spirit speak to and through us. Amen.
You appear to be confusing "submission" with "accommodation". When peasants submit a petition to their king for better sanitation provisions in the surrounding villages, is the king submitting by agreeing with the need for better provisions? No, he is accommodating their need because it is in the best interest of his people and kingdom. In the same way, a parent is not submitting to their child when they see to their basic needs. They are fulfilling their duties as a parent, which include making certain the child has adequate nutrition and sleep. They are accommodating the child's needs, which does not require submission to them in the slightest.
Dude, I need to hire you for the book I’m writing. Thank you for the thoughtful response. I think our definitions of what the Bible means by submission are vastly different. The Danbury statement was flawed from the beginning which is why complementarianism led so many in faithful churches astray. I’ve done other videos on it, but chivalry is bad too
It seems like you are trying for an emotional reframe when you speak of taking care of your kids as submission. We are talking about making decisions and sometimes the husband gets the final say.
Brother, just came here to say your comment really taught me something about being careful with what we write on the internet. Especially when disagreeing with other people. The way you took the time to type not one but two prayers in your comment really shows you had good intentions, and shows you have real character and honor. I really found it impressive! Thanks for the maturity lesson! XD God bless you and your family 🙏
I don't always agree with Mike, but on this topic I do. PM Man you are way off on your assessment of Mike's position. Mike has the Bible on his side... what do you have?
Respectfully sir, you lack humility, wisdom, charity, and love for others, especially to your fellow brothers in Christ. You can be like the scoffer and take that as an attack or as a reproof like a wise man (Proverbs 9:8 / Proverbs 21:11). The choice is yours, my friend. God Bless!
@@PostMillMan I don't mind secondary/tertiary doctrinal disagreements, especially if our faiths are rooted in Jesus. You're my brother in Christ. It's your tone, facial expressions, blatant disrespect, and lack of humility. When we correct, it should be out of love and not pride. Your videos should honor God and His word, not simply be about why you're right and another is wrong. Ultimately, God judges our hearts, but that didn't mean others can't descern when things are off about our conduct.
@@juansarmiento3857 I understand, sometimes I do get carried away because I feel very strongly about this issue. Do you think Jesus had this type of tone with the Pharisees?
@@PostMillMan For someone to use Jesus' conduct with the Pharisees to justify their own behavior, two things need to be true: 1) your conduct must be sinless like Jesus', 2) Mike Winger must deny the divinity of Jesus, focus on salvific works and customs, and be an oppressive hypocrite. We're you sinless in conduct like Jesus? Is Winger really just like the Pharisees? You might be valid in your reasons to correct Winger, but not justified in conduct. Our calling, commission, is to make disciples. Drawing and teaching others to be like Christ, not to tear down fellow brothers in Christ. Love because He loved us. Forgive because He forgave us. Teach because He taught us.
This is one of the main problems with religions, particularly ancient ones that persist. It requires adherents to accept societal and cultural views of ancient people. Like patriarchal misogyny. And slavery. And homophobia. Why can (most) modern day adherents agree that the bible was wrong on slavery, but not a woman's role in society? The Christian insistence on the inerrancy of the bible is another problem that allows such views to persist, though most don't see the change in views on slavery as proof that it is in fact NOT inerrant, as they make excuses for how biblical slavery "wasn't actual slavery" despite the undeniable proof found in Lev. 25:44-46.
@@PostMillMan The two parts of the statement you wrote are entirely incompatible. If the bible (God) does not state that the practice of slavery is wrong, then either the bible is not inerrant, it is not the inspired word of God, or our conception of God is incorrect. Which do you believe is most likely?
@@kevindavis5966 Why does slavery have to be morally wrong? According to whose law is it morally wrong? I see slavery as a bad economic system, not a moral evil. The abuse of slaves is morally wrong which is what the Bible teaches. Luckily we have capitalism now which is a way better economic system than slavery.
@@PostMillMan Wow, that is the fastest I've ever gotten a Christian to defend slavery as a moral practice. Statements like yours are why so many people believe religion is a blight on society. The truth is, I don't believe that you actually think slavery is a moral practice. I think you're forced to say that it is in defense of your religion, which is itself a pretty horrible revelation. As they say, if you want good people to do truly horrible things, it takes religion.
@@kevindavis5966 Maybe I didn't explain it well, I believe that the Bible teaches slavery is Amoral, meaning it is not morally good or morally bad. It is like asking if Feudalism is morally good or bad and the same would go for Feudalism, it is amoral, it is just another economic system that doesn't work nearly as well as capitalism.
Sir... Until you learn to read the Bible in context and teach doctrine that isn't false, please do not try to prove educated, godly pastors who cares about Christians knowing sound biblical doctrine. You did not give a single piece of valid evidence of why Mike was wrong in your whole video. I would suggest you take this video down so you do not embarrass yourself more, or lead others to believe something that is false. Thank you.
It's a shame so many of the comments don't recognise how sound this teaching is, reminds me of some of Joel Webbon's content. As God fearing as Mike is, he has always struck me a slightly effeminate, at least in his understanding of biblical masculinity and authority. Glad I stumbled upon your content.
I've been a Christian 5 years I've been trying to win him without a word since reading peter. I'm not perfect at it but growing in sanctification of this command. 6 months ago my husband started coming to church with me and more recently we also started doing family bible study most nights(with our 3 children) reading a proverb and a chapter from the new testament as well as looking at a question from the Spurgeon catachmsim. Im not sure if he is saved yet but something is happening.
I've said a prayer for you and your husband
That is awesome! Praying for you!
You have never seen 1 Peter 3 happen? How long have you been in ministry? Are you in ministry?
No, I’ve never personally seen it and I’ve been in church my whole life
Frame is kinda difficult for most newbies to understand. So, it’s awesome when this guys holds an actual Frame to remind us of a person or church’s worldview! 🖼️👌🔥
thanks bro!
I smell some sock puppets. You know you’re speaking truth when people bring imaginary friends to help them
Great video, but i would love it if you had more verse references on screen when you allude to a different verse
You mean put the whole verse on the screen?
@@PostMillMan in some way, like either in the description or read it straight from your bible in the video, other than this slight ask i think you are great! Loved the video
Just curious and I am still watching the video so you might say it. but what denomination are you? Thanks!
I am PCA Presbyterian (we are the ones who believe the Bible is the inerrant, inspired word of God). I preach at an EPC Presbyterian Church.... I'm trying to get them to join the PCA. 😀
Yeah I agree with you. Mike is being a coward covering this. Women are called to submit to their husbands and I agree that calling men "knuckleheads" is wrong. Calling men made in the image of God, knuckleheads is not funny during a sermon.
I think some pastors are starting to wake up to this, especially due to content like mine
To anyone interested, Mike Winger does a fantastic job answering questions biblically. I highly recommend subscribing to his page for the Q&A's. And when he doesn't know how to answer a question, he admits he doesn't know and will then go and do research using the Bible to see what all it says on the topic. 2 Timothy 4:3 "For the time will come when people will not put up sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear."
I agree Mike normally does a great job as a pastor, but I disagree on this subject that Mike did a good job. His frame is incorrect just like 99% of complementarians because the Bible actually teaches Patriarchy.
@@PostMillMan after watching your 20+ minute video, I'm confused as to what your point of the video was? Women are to submit to their husbands, men are to submit to God and lay down their lives for their wives (Ephesians 5:21-33), and anything the world has to say about marriage is irrelevant because it is God who designed all things. Where's the conflict here?
@@colinhoover5153 my point of view is that complementarianism needs to die and we need to go back to what the Bible actually teaches which is patriarchy
@@PostMillMan and your definition of biblical patriarchy is?
@@colinhoover5153 Father Rule. I did a video on this while going through the book It's Good To Be A Man. czcams.com/video/tLWfcTa6R44/video.html
You are wrong and cringy. Good luck in your journey. You have much to learn. Mike is genuine.
What part of this do you believe I am not being genuine?
I can't watch any more. You are I need of some biblical education. I'll be praying for you
Yes, please pray for me and specifically tell me where I am wrong biblically
@PostMillMan you don't think women should be submissive to there husbands
@@montanasands5213 Did you even watch the video? I'm not sure how you came away thinking that.
Mike is exactly right (based upon the Bible) your opinion never trumps what the Word of God states. Regardless of how many times you use the word frame.
In regard to what specifically am I wrong and Mike is correct about?
Mike Winger is phony, just like 99% of ministry today. He's teaching fables for itching ears rather than the truth.
They can never answer that question lol!! You are spot on @PostMillMan
Mike is not completely correct on this and Mike's word is not the word of God. God is pretty clear for women to submit to their husbands. Mike is weakening the word of God, in this case.
Nailed it. I have never seen a woman anywhere at any time in my life who follows or even believes in what the Bible teaches on her role as a wife and woman in the church.
That is truly, truly amazing to me. Maybe these women exist in some other country, but I haven't seen any in the US. I often wonder what kind of consequences these rebellious women will one day face...perhaps Isaiah 4 will give us a clue.
I’ve often found it amusing that so many Christian women will say biblical roles for wives are outdated, yet these same women think the instructions to husbands are iron clad.
@@jaywagner2321 exactly! And I blame the Bible teachers/preachers for this
I don’t meet these women either, yet the assumption is that women would submit if men were just better leaders
I try but I'm not perfect. I have grown to hate feminism and I'm trying to teach my daughter this too. She is 18 now and I use the bible to show her Gods expectations for women. It's very difficult when even the church teaches contrary.
@@Jennifer-ji1yf Feminism is terrible. A scourge on our society with roots in the occult.
This video is not charitable. You've nitpicked his language. Some parts where you added clarification or different frame, Im sure Mike would actually agree. What video do you actually support patriarchy biblically? What video do you support this frame that you yse biblically?
Pastor Joel Webbon has some great stuff out there on Patriarchy.
Okay, so you're asking people in what way you're wrong, so I'm going to share what I think about this video. First, I'll type out a little prayer for us: Lord, I ask that You help all of us here in this comment section to have humility, love and kindness for each other, and good doctrine, knowledge, and wisdom. Please teach us about submission and leadership, and help PostMillMan to grow in knowledge of Your word, so that he can share good doctrine with those that watch his videos, or listen to his words.
So, first of all, I just wanna say that it's very brave of you to ask all of the people critiquing your video, "In what way am I wrong?" I understand it can be daunting to voice your opinion, and to be open to correction is an important quality for everyone to have, especially those that want to teach.
Here are some hypothetical situations to illustrate my understanding of submission;
1. You pick your child up from school, and they say, "Dad, I wasn't able to eat all of my lunch today at school, because my friend forgot his lunch today, so I shared with him. Will you please make me something to eat now?"
Now you must submit to your child out of love. Maybe you had planned to do something else with your time. Maybe you were going to watch a baseball game when you got home. But your child needs you now. You need to submit your desires for his needs. He asked you kindly to feed him. It is your responsibility to obey him, in this case. It might sound funny, but it's your responsibility to submit to and obey your child here.
However, if he asks you, "Please make me a big ol' banana split." You are not obligated to obey him xD lol.
2. It is past your child's bedtime, and they are trying to sleep. The problem is that they can hear the movie you are watching from their room. They come out of their room and tell you, "Dad, I'm trying to sleep, and the tv is too loud. Can you turn off the movie and go to bed?"
In this case, you do not have to *obey* your child, but you still do have to *submit* to them. You are the parent. You decide when you go to bed, or when you watch movies. That is your prerogative. However, you are becoming neglectful if you do not allow your child the sleep they need. It is your responsibility to submit to them by allowing them to sleep. You should lower the volume down, put headphones on, or do something to make sure that they are able to sleep. If you want to, you can even do what they say, and go to bed! It's not required to go that far, but you have the authority here.
So that's just two examples of submission from a position of authority. Godly submission of the head of the household, toward the one with the least authority in the household. This is what the Holy Spirit means, when He tells us to submit to one another in love. Every good husband submits to his wife and children many times throughout his life. It does not mean they have less authority, or need to be obedient to them as a rule, but at some point, submission is required. It's Biblical.
Here is another hypothetical example of submission. At some point, something like this probably happened in real life!
Jesus is in the presence of an unnamed disciple. The disciple is going through a hard day, and is irritable and cranky. Jesus asks him, "Would you like me to tell you a joke, to cheer you up?"
The disciple loses his temper, and says, "You're not funny, just go away!"
It hurts Jesus' feelings, but He knows in His heart, it is the wise, and loving thing to do, to just go away like he says. Even though Jesus is the Almighty, and the King of kings, He still chooses to submit to the will of a mere sinful man, as hurt as His feelings are. That is love, and it is the ultimate authority, submitting to His beloved child.
Of course the disciple apologized sincerely, and Jesus cracked him up later. Nonetheless, Jesus submitted.
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I and many others, just don't know the nuances between, complementarian, egalitarian, and patriarchal views. Maybe you should make a video explaining the differences. I just have no idea what something like, "patriarchy is the way," entails. I'm actually apprehensive about it. Do patriarchal Christians believe that men are more intelligent than women? Do they believe women are more gullible? Do they believe men are superior? I don't know. I guess I can't really judge a stance I don't understand at all, but these are some of the thoughts that just occur when I or someone else hear the word patriarchy today.
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I think Mike was humble and correct to suggest the older women guide the younger women. Even for him to go so far as to say that they'd be better equipped to teach, considering their first-hand experience. He didn't tell them not to ask him for practical advice. He just pointed out that the older women are called to it, and likely better equipped for it. You're kind of putting words in his mouth here.
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Personally, I disagree. Obeying the law is submitting to the government. Compliance and submission are not mutually exclusive. Compliance is a form of submission.
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I think Mike was being lighthearted here. The point of what he was saying, is not that he doesn't care if someone in a position of authority makes a mistake. He's making a lighthearted joke about fearing making a mistake from a position of authority. I didn't get the vibe that he doesn't care if something is going wrong. He just hates the idea of being the one that made things go wrong.
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I feel like if you're doing a sermon on wives submitting to their husbands, it's totally okay to touch on general submission, or submitting to one another. That's actually what the scripture does in the first place. It first says submit to one another, then immediately in the following verses, it specifies, wives submit to your husbands.
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"Physically, mentally, emotionally, men are stronger..." Therefore men should be in a position of authority???
If men should be in a position of authority in the church, it's because that's what God has ordained. It has nothing to do with physical, mental or emotional strength. Otherwise, only men with big muscles should be leading the church, right? Only the most intelligent should be pastors. Only the emotionally strong should be leaders.
But that's not God's way.
God chooses the weak and foolish to do His bidding.
Also, I disagree that men are stronger than women mentally or emotionally. I'm not quite sure what you mean by that, but I've seen, heard of, and met very intelligent women. Women whose attitudes, opinions, and thoughts I've valued and admired. And unfortunately, I've met and experienced first-hand the folly that can come along with being a man.
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Mike has never said that men and women are the same in nature!!!! He has said that men and women are equal! But that's because we are!! He never said men and women are the same! He knows we're built different in body and mind! But we're still equal in the eyes of God! Men aren't superior. Superior in strength, often, but that doesn't make men superior overall. Otherwise why am I listening to what you're saying??? when I could be listening to a bodybuilder!! They're so much stronger than you! haha just joking. Obviously their strength has nothing to do with the guidance they have to offer, or the authority they hold.
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Hmm, I would not take dating advice from you xD
On the surface, you're right... ideally, you want a woman that is going to be righteous and follow God's ordained structure. But if you're coming at dating like that, it's arrogant. You don't deserve a good wife, if you're going to show someone the boot for not passing your tests! How many tests have you failed? Who are you to test God's daughter? You should just be making sure that you're passing tests!
How many gems of women are rowdy and rude and disobedient at one point or another in their lives? My soul mate was absolutely nuts, but I cherish her more than anything. I was absolutely nuts too!!! lol xD xD
Instead of testing and straining out women that you find unappealing, you should just ask God to pick your wife. If He gives you someone disobedient, its for a good reason.
Gotta be humble out there if you want a wife. Just focus on being a kind man, and someone that serves her.
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Okay, here's my closing prayer; Lord, I know that I cannot judge my brother without finding a speck or a plank in my own eye. I ask that you help us to see clearly, to be wise, and to help each other in this endeavor. I ask that you help me to edit my comment, so that it can be received in the way that will help PostMillMan the most, and that you touch our minds and our thoughts to remove any dark spots or lack of wisdom. I ask that you bless all of my brothers and sisters, and especially MillMan, and that You are high and lifted up. Amen. And please silence the voice of the enemy, and let Your Spirit speak to and through us. Amen.
You appear to be confusing "submission" with "accommodation". When peasants submit a petition to their king for better sanitation provisions in the surrounding villages, is the king submitting by agreeing with the need for better provisions? No, he is accommodating their need because it is in the best interest of his people and kingdom. In the same way, a parent is not submitting to their child when they see to their basic needs. They are fulfilling their duties as a parent, which include making certain the child has adequate nutrition and sleep. They are accommodating the child's needs, which does not require submission to them in the slightest.
Dude, I need to hire you for the book I’m writing. Thank you for the thoughtful response. I think our definitions of what the Bible means by submission are vastly different. The Danbury statement was flawed from the beginning which is why complementarianism led so many in faithful churches astray. I’ve done other videos on it, but chivalry is bad too
It seems like you are trying for an emotional reframe when you speak of taking care of your kids as submission. We are talking about making decisions and sometimes the husband gets the final say.
Brother, just came here to say your comment really taught me something about being careful with what we write on the internet. Especially when disagreeing with other people. The way you took the time to type not one but two prayers in your comment really shows you had good intentions, and shows you have real character and honor. I really found it impressive! Thanks for the maturity lesson! XD
God bless you and your family 🙏
You’re completely wrong about winning over your husband.
In what way am I wrong?
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This is bait. Goodbye sir.
Ouch!
I don't always agree with Mike, but on this topic I do. PM Man you are way off on your assessment of Mike's position. Mike has the Bible on his side... what do you have?
Can you tell me where I am off on my position of patriarchy being the biblical context for marriage?
Respectfully sir, you lack humility, wisdom, charity, and love for others, especially to your fellow brothers in Christ. You can be like the scoffer and take that as an attack or as a reproof like a wise man (Proverbs 9:8 / Proverbs 21:11). The choice is yours, my friend. God Bless!
Any position that I took which you disagree with biblically or do you just think my tone is wrong?
@@PostMillMan I don't mind secondary/tertiary doctrinal disagreements, especially if our faiths are rooted in Jesus. You're my brother in Christ. It's your tone, facial expressions, blatant disrespect, and lack of humility. When we correct, it should be out of love and not pride. Your videos should honor God and His word, not simply be about why you're right and another is wrong. Ultimately, God judges our hearts, but that didn't mean others can't descern when things are off about our conduct.
@@juansarmiento3857 I understand, sometimes I do get carried away because I feel very strongly about this issue. Do you think Jesus had this type of tone with the Pharisees?
@@PostMillMan For someone to use Jesus' conduct with the Pharisees to justify their own behavior, two things need to be true: 1) your conduct must be sinless like Jesus', 2) Mike Winger must deny the divinity of Jesus, focus on salvific works and customs, and be an oppressive hypocrite. We're you sinless in conduct like Jesus? Is Winger really just like the Pharisees? You might be valid in your reasons to correct Winger, but not justified in conduct. Our calling, commission, is to make disciples. Drawing and teaching others to be like Christ, not to tear down fellow brothers in Christ. Love because He loved us. Forgive because He forgave us. Teach because He taught us.
@@juansarmiento3857 1. Yes 2. Yes
This is one of the main problems with religions, particularly ancient ones that persist. It requires adherents to accept societal and cultural views of ancient people. Like patriarchal misogyny. And slavery. And homophobia. Why can (most) modern day adherents agree that the bible was wrong on slavery, but not a woman's role in society? The Christian insistence on the inerrancy of the bible is another problem that allows such views to persist, though most don't see the change in views on slavery as proof that it is in fact NOT inerrant, as they make excuses for how biblical slavery "wasn't actual slavery" despite the undeniable proof found in Lev. 25:44-46.
I agree that the Bible does not teach that slavery is morally wrong, but I disagree that it is not the inspired, inerrant word of God.
@@PostMillMan The two parts of the statement you wrote are entirely incompatible. If the bible (God) does not state that the practice of slavery is wrong, then either the bible is not inerrant, it is not the inspired word of God, or our conception of God is incorrect. Which do you believe is most likely?
@@kevindavis5966 Why does slavery have to be morally wrong? According to whose law is it morally wrong? I see slavery as a bad economic system, not a moral evil. The abuse of slaves is morally wrong which is what the Bible teaches. Luckily we have capitalism now which is a way better economic system than slavery.
@@PostMillMan Wow, that is the fastest I've ever gotten a Christian to defend slavery as a moral practice. Statements like yours are why so many people believe religion is a blight on society. The truth is, I don't believe that you actually think slavery is a moral practice. I think you're forced to say that it is in defense of your religion, which is itself a pretty horrible revelation. As they say, if you want good people to do truly horrible things, it takes religion.
@@kevindavis5966 Maybe I didn't explain it well, I believe that the Bible teaches slavery is Amoral, meaning it is not morally good or morally bad. It is like asking if Feudalism is morally good or bad and the same would go for Feudalism, it is amoral, it is just another economic system that doesn't work nearly as well as capitalism.
Sir... Until you learn to read the Bible in context and teach doctrine that isn't false, please do not try to prove educated, godly pastors who cares about Christians knowing sound biblical doctrine. You did not give a single piece of valid evidence of why Mike was wrong in your whole video. I would suggest you take this video down so you do not embarrass yourself more, or lead others to believe something that is false. Thank you.
Yes, I will absolutely take it down if you can tell me what I am teaching that is biblically false and give me chapter and verse
It's a shame so many of the comments don't recognise how sound this teaching is, reminds me of some of Joel Webbon's content. As God fearing as Mike is, he has always struck me a slightly effeminate, at least in his understanding of biblical masculinity and authority. Glad I stumbled upon your content.
Joel webbon is great! I love his channel and I am thankful he is courageous in what he puts out there.
Where is your woman?
I am happily married and have 5 kids, some of my kids show up in my previous videos.