The Darkest Disney Movie Nobody Talks About
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- čas přidán 25. 08. 2024
- Today we investigate the hidden messages in the Disney film, Atlantis: The Lost Empire. The film doesn't get discussed much relative to the Disney classics, but it's one of the more political movies the studio has made.
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I think the main message in this movie was to teach kids about greed. To show that with greed comes distrust and eventually all the people you thought you could count on will turn against you.
Let’s not forget that some of the capitalist mercenaries became milos freind and while they still desire riches they did the right thing and helped save Atlantis and they were rewarded. Teaching kids that doing the right thing will get you a better reward, whether it’s material or altruistic
Greed is synonymous with capitalism.
@@fatalshore5068 Let me ask you if capitalism is so bad who would you trust to have control over how you live and what you can do? Who are these angels you would pick to trust your life completely to?
A true capitalist finds a good that people want and and provides it. That is it in its simplest form.
The stuff that comes with greed is from politics and big corporations in the same bed. That comes from people becoming lazy and not holding politicians to standards and letting them fester in position of power for 30+ years. Many of these large companies are monopolies who by Americas own laws should be broken up. But because we do not hold the politicians to account for this and the big company continues to pay the politicians off we have the problems we have now.
In the end what it comes down to is the people who vote now are the ones to blame for the failings of our system and not capitalism.
@@fatalshore5068 capitalism has never committed a genocide slavery yes but not genocide
@@thewildcardperson well the Soviet union regularly used slave labor that's not an economic stance it's an authoritarian stance
"And yet you bring weapons?"
"That's some bold judgement from a guy who's robotic murder lobster just killed half my crew."
It's not their fault the robotic murder lobster thing survived the flood somehow
@@mrgears3045 The king might be alluding to the errors of his past, but the fact remains he did nothing to fix that particular one.
It was more than half. It took down the Submarine and every escape pod but 1.
Only 40 survived. 38 in the escape transport, and 2 in the Attack sub.
it protects atlantis like a dog they were unwelcomed visitors who also brought weapons.
It's an interesting thesis, but there is one glaring problem with it. The benefactor who enabled the whole adventure in the first place was a capitalist. Whilst the critique of capitalism and imperialism (see mentions of the Kaiser) is clear, I think that the character of Whitmore exists to balance the critique out by making that point that for all its flaws, capitalism in and of itself isn't inherently bad so long as it's not allowed to become the only driving force in your life. Whitmore is guided by a moral compass, keeps his word, shares in the curiosity of Milo and respects the crew's decision to keep the discovery of Atlantis a secret. He's a capitalist but he's not Rourke.
Hear, hear! ✌️&❤️
Me: Live action of atlantis and treasure planet
Disney: heres a longer, less entertaining mulan movie
They have lucas films, they can make a treasure planet movie, just they don't have the talent, patience, skill, or creativity to make it.
They actually announced the latter already.
NO DO NOT ENCOURAGE THEM TO MAKE LIVE ACTIONS
@@ifihadfriends437 Lion King and Aladdin didn't work out either, Beauty and Beast was okay.
Live action should not be used except for something that can be done without a lot of CG. Atlantis is on the fence, but if they really want to do live action just remake Pocahontas with James Cameron as director (Basically it's just Avatar with a smaller budget)
@@time391 the lion king was dead in the ground. Beauty snd the beast, fine, but I won’t watch it again. And then freaking Aladdin? It was actually pretty good but I didn’t like the voice for Jafar... but yea, there are some GOLDEN movies that could use live action remakes if disney is gonna be a bit lazy with making new movies and just remake old ones that didn’t mainly even turn out that good. Treasure planet, and definitely Atlantis could be amazing as long as it’ll even be done well
“We've done a lot of things we're not proud of. Robbing graves, plundering tombs, double parking. But, nobody got hurt. Well, maybe somebody got hurt, but nobody we knew.”
@AII Iives Matter MalcolmX was right about liberals Thanks for saying what nobody was thinking. Doing the world a great service there. Cheers.
*You take a chance getting up in the morning, crossing the street or sticking your face in a fan.*
*-Lt Frank Drebin of Police Squad*
@AII Iives Matter MalcolmX was right about liberals Thanks for politicizing a quote from a children's film, taking broadly out of context and injected with a meaning not intended by its creators. Cheers.
@@dylanwight5764 Isn't this what Ben is doing in this very video though?
@@maxxor-overworldhero6730 Not at all. Exploring the themes inherent to an article while comparing them to ongoing events to support a statement or position ("this film breaks the Disney mold") is not analogous with trying to inject current world issues into an article produced without regard to those issues. Comparisons with a political climate is not equitable with retroactively trying to claim that an article was created in reference to that climate.
It's fine to make these comparisons to highlight the relevancy of an older article to current issues, but Ben isn't going beyond that here. It's fine to say "this older film has lessons which may be relevant today" but this is not the same as trying to claim "this older film was intended to be a medium for representing current issues."
The irony is that the movie was produced by a mega-corp and written and performed by people who live in multi-million dollar mansions.
@@nathanmorgan3647 classic Disney
More like reading communist propaganda. By the way much morality has shown by socialist and communist nations of workers? Their genocide number far outnumbered fascists.
Far outnumbered the capitalists and the republics to. Lets not forget what nations are the ones that pay for most of the old stuff that is saved.
@@rajmodi4251 And that in turn pales against the death toll of capitalism.
@@thehorriblebright ?
"Be a capitalist, or be a communist, I dont care, as long as you watch my videos"
-Capitalist
And yet reviews the film entirely from the viewpoint of a communist. So he's a Starbucks communist.
@@angrygnome4304 I got that vibe fron him too.
@Zwenk Wiel Joe McCarthy and Yuri Bezmenov say it all
No, soon to be communist
Vídeos are free to watch and yet he gais money soooo. Computalism?
"Evil people have three names"
*Neil Degrasse Tyson want to know your location.*
*Neil Patrick Harris does too*
*Ayrton Senna da Silva: dare you oppose me mortal"*
I take it you don't know much about Neil.
Look him up.
What if you have 4 names?
You do realize he's a scientist? And iv only heard good things about that man.
Movie message: be an introvert and no one gets hurt.
Also Movie message: Introverts are always hurt and not being one will invite more hurt to one-self and others.
What an Earth do you think introversion is?
Nothing wrong with being an introvert when so many extroverts make excellent Jerry Springer material especially when it comes to their crash and burn relationships that are the norm these days. How many kids out of wedlock before they decide to keep the pants on and low long before they face their demons when they finally put the drugs away if all else gone broke after going woke. These younger generations of extroverts are insane while the college indoctrinated youth in general are lost.
@@MrKillswitch88 I don't really think it's an extrovert problem but a society problem, most people seem to have lower morals, standards, and values. Plus school and other institutions seem to not be encouraging better behavior. And families are in a state of decay so most children are not being raised to be higher standard. So the current future seem increasingly grim
I am now convinced not a single one of you is close to knowing what introversion and extroversion mean. Please let me help you learn, it's very simple.
Introvert: Requires periods of alone time to rest and recuperate. An introvert will burn out if constantly forced into socialising with groups of people without reasonable breaks.
Extrovert: Requires regular group socialisation to rest and recuperate. An extrovert will quickly become depressed and lose motivation/energy when socially isolated.
Either has no further bearing on personality. That's it, that's all there is to it.
The irony of a mega corporation like Disney producing an animation like that...
Your avatar matches well with the comment.
@Vlavitir glutginskiya for money, no ideals can't be betrayed even capitalism or human rights
@@flexprime2010 Ditto
@Vlavitir glutginskiya HA nailed it
Well, while Disney's management and higher-ups are most likely extremely right wing and capitalist, creative people, who make these stories, are most likely progressive leftists, or at least, not obsessed with pushing capitalist propaganda.
"they can't tell they're suffering" is also a justification used by communists, honestly I feel like most of the points can be shifted onto any group you want with enough creative interpretation which I guess is the point of the video.
Yup, how to boil a frog alive, keep the water lukewarm.
The point of the video is analyzing the movie… the entire movie is EXTREMELY in your face. The MAIN VILLAIN even says “I prefer adventure CAPITALIST”. It’s a very clear message about how capitalism = no good.
We need in American society the counter point showing how Capitalism tears down and creates suffering. So while greed is a universal failing for any practical economic system, our current issues come from only one.
@@DumahAtreides
You should expound on your diatribe on the mass graves made by communists.
@@taw1967 factual. Most of these communist takes, I’ve notice are from people who have never lived in a communistic country. I have lived in two and I can say I find it very convenient how they criticize capitalism while never experiencing losing the gains of hard work by force. It will change you. You will never be the same again. Ever.
The title promises to talk about the darkness of this movie
And yet skips over all the deaths
Massacres
@@superduperjoi6800 agreed also genocide
Hello right how many people died like a couple of Italians worth
Battalions f****** autocorrect said Italians
Disney: "Capitalism is bad!"
Also Disney: *is capitalist*
AJB 1022 if saying that capitalism doesn’t work makes money capitalists will say it, that’s the beauty of capitalism
Communism is great marketing
What I thought when I heard Rose’ little anti-capitalist speech in The Last Jedi. “Suuure, you hate when people make money, Disney”
the law is for thee not for me!
@@maybehesbornwithitmaybeits9318 First off, you have the best name I've ever seen, and I really hope a lot get the joke.
But in second, generally... I don't like greed. I don't like authoritarianism, but I do like meritocracy. See whether you're alone or surrounded, SOMEONE has to work to keep us going and alive. Is capitalism perfect? No, not by a F(_)cK!nG long shot. But elitists deciding everyone is beneath them and therefore provides not only for them but for each other, without charity or love but instead law and force.... that's where I get upset with communism.
If everybody gave, and self wasn't a real thing, then yeah communism would be perfect. But we aren't, and we don't, so it doesn't. I literally give people in a brick building paper that I worked for and then they give me food, I didn't raise that food as a crop or critter, I bought it, with my labour, and I'm not even sure that that's equal.
The smaller the communities become, the more you find people are working to survive, we are in capitalism too yes but the wages are different. You grew that crop, you raised that cattle, you worked yourself to the bone and this is what you have to show for it, another day. For you and your family. Now? Now we do the same, but people "high above" us control the ...output, the gains, the wages. And I don't raise cattle with wages or furrow fields with paper, but as soon as I agree to do otherwise I've lost agency, self, integrity... and yet isn't that the enemy of communism? Self?
To anyone bothering to read this, I'm genuinely just asking these questions, and hope you can ask them too and come to your own conclusions. I have no judgement, against you. The only thing I have is growing up with a genuine outhouse, no running water, no electricity, and yet now I can push buttons or give people paper and I all of these luxuries literally on tap. Is it easier? I'm old now, so yeah, it's much easier. But we're all working, and very hard, but the fruits of our labour grow on trees we do not see.
We should be cautious as to who tends the orchard of our hard work.
the irony is that the guy would have made a fortune establishing trade relations
That just shows he's not a capitalist. Capitalism is about the biggest possible gains time be damned. Only a socialist sees short term temporary gains that are massive over permanent long term smaller gains as preferable, I mean look at Hitler and his failed five year plan, or Stalin's failed economic reforms, yet Hirohito managed to make an authoritarian regime work. Because he while he made Japan nationalist he never told them to stop seeking personal gain. They just wrap it up in "family honor" but in the end it's you doing amazing things. Ever wonder about how Japan became a nation? I suggest you look up Nobunaga, the dude's dad set him up to take over by being a capitalist and teaching his son the importance of long term investments.
@@dragoneye6229 Including having an ally he could count on covering his flank.
@@ladymacbethofmtensk896 I just realized that I admire a Japanese man and think of him as I would any American figure. Does that mean I'm a weeaboo?
@@dragoneye6229 Don't worry! The War ended a long time ago.
@@dragoneye6229 no. a weeaboo tries to BE Japanese. there's nothing weeaboo about admiring the romantic images of certain samurai just as there's nothing wrong with admiring the romantic images of certain knights. the real people....probably not so nice. but nothing wrong with admiring say Tokegawa's loyalty or Joan of Arc's determination or Marcus Aurelius' wisdom or Saladin's genius.
Drinking game: Every time he says capitalist you take a shot.
Taking more shots than soviet political prisoner.
Disclaimer: Do not attempt until you have given up on life.
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Bruh, opening up trade with atlantis would make any person remembered forever
This movie is criminally underrated, even if a lot of the ideas/character details went over my head as a kid, I still love this movie and can now understand what the story this movie tells. Love Helga too, a deadly babe with a c96.
then they tried to milk it with that sequel... still gives me the creeps
@@axelmanning5055 We don't talk about that sequel.
@@Death_Korps_Officer didn't know there was one
@@logoski589 It was more a compilation of adventures (with a lesser cast) than a proper movie or sequel for that matter. And for some reason, the black guy was not in it for the most part and Odin wanted to banged the princess. Seriously.
Edit: I found out it was made from rejected already (sorta) made episodes for a series based on the movie. I almost forgot the animation drop like a lot and undermines the whole point of the first movie (keep Atlantis safe and hidden from the rest of the world)
@@logoski589 I didn't either until I watched it the other day on Disney plus
Just remember that this movie starts with a mass genocide by a failed weapons-test
Literally a Crystal-powered Tsar Bomb misfiring.
Weapon test? I always thought they were fighting someone, because you see a massive group falling back
@@nahuelleandroarroyo so close to the city? Given that Atlantis seemed to be a global empire (accourding to the sequel) I assume thats unlikly, but its possible
@@nicklaskurzweil the same would apply to a weapons test, why so close to the city?
As there is one guy blamming another one i assumed this guy was not careful with something, maybe it was a facility of sorts and he dropped a crystal that started melting or something
@@nahuelleandroarroyo good point, but still more realistic than a battle. No matter what it was, the king stated that they underastimated the power
I would also consider that this movie has one of the highest kill count of any Disney animated film, if you look at the leviathan attack scene you can see someones skeleton as they get vaporized and guns lots of guns that was different for a Disney film granted it was a realistic depiction of the era so makes sense but when I first saw this movie when it first came out I was a little surprised to see a firearm in a Disney cartoon.
This is one of my childhood favorites!, it is of my opinion all children must watch this movie and George Carlin once they start Kindergarten
And here I thought I was an awful Mother, because George Carlin is my nine yr olds favorite comic! In kindergarten he loved Archie Bunker. Love and light Evie
It’s easy to forget just how many people died in this kids movie
and all fpr someone else's profit margin...
Like a lot! That submarine battle followed by that Volcano battle
starwars: am I a joke to you?
no one was hurt, i mean... no one we knew.
Lol Ikr. Then look at now where people go batshit crazy because you got the fictional characters gender wrong🤦
Since you’re talking about one of the most underrated Disney films of all time, I’d love to see you talk about Treasure Planet as well. It’s such an amazing movie and it’s sad that’s not acknowledged at all by Disney.
it is even sad to know the hardship of the writers to bring this movie to life, and was left to failure....
Even though they were great movies in their own right, the REAL reason why they failed is because both movies didn't have any traditional Disney songs in them; Hence, they weren't "Disney films in the traditional sense".
Had the movies been rooted in tradition, they would've been MUCH more successful.
I love Treasure Planet. I agree, very underrated film.
@@ColdHardTruthNews I’m still here:
Am I joke to you?
I just rewatched it and its way worse than i remembered.
I mean: Wow.
Suspension of Disbelieve is forced
way too hard in your face and
the Plot Holes are ridiculous.
Its to the point where the whole movie
basically makes no sense at all;
which is very bad.
"I've seen this back in the Dakotas. They can smell fear just by looking at you. So keep quiet."
“Even if you didn’t like it just hit the damn like button..” Spoken like a true Capitalist!
I just rewatched it and its way worse than i remembered.
Suspension of Disbelieve is forced
way too hard in your face and
the Plot Holes are ridiculous.
Its to the point where the whole movie
basically makes no sense at all;
which is very bad...
...
"Deer are the worst people"
-Louis will remember that
F in the chat.
Wtf dear are beautiful
They taste amazing though. Lol
@@shadowofchrist3213 can't argue with that
SHADOW FARE you make a good point though
It'd be cool to see you do a breakdown of treasure planet with Silvers speech to Jim about achieving greatness.
Treasure planet is the best Disney movie period
*big fan of Treasure Planet...albeit flawed in a few places...still an awesome film none the less*
I concur!
@@jonumine6250 There IS some info available nowadays about the story ideas for a sequel that Disney had loosely planned for "Treasure Planet". I can't remember where to find it all, but hopefully Google can help you out. 🤷♀️ All I remember was that I was REALLY glad those ideas never happened. 😅
@@jonumine6250 It's a much more than reasonable assumption that everyone already knows the basic story... For anyone to not already know that the crew were pirates in "Treasure Island" is like for someone to not know that Dr. Jekyll is Mr. Hyde. (But what I think few people pay much attention to is that the two novels were written by the same author. 😁 My personal favorite author of all time. 😜) Like the fact that Darth Vader is Luke Skywalker's father, it's almost impossible to avoid the spoilers openly discussed in the everyday pop culture of movie consumers.
On the other hand... Yeah, that IS kind of unprofessional of the filmmakers to foreshadow WAY too much too early on, let alone in the trailer.
But also, on the other-other hand, advertising it as a pirate movie was certainly critical to catching the attention of the most appreciative audience when it was released. 🤷♀️
the only problem with this is, that Communists did the very same thing once they had the opportunity in Mongolia or other Asian countries...
Eastern Europe... South America... pretty much everywhere they’ve been the last 120 years. Their predecessors, Jacobins, killed thousands in France, too.
So... Living a lie tends to allow the lie to dictate that everyone lives in a lie, so one can say/do anything inside the worldview that is morally debased.
@@IronCavalier let us step back in time when we were not collectivizing groups of people for being greedy or ignorant, calling them Capitalists/Communists. Collectivization of groups came with nations, yet it was not as bad as this. Christianity in Europe did a good job to give civilization the basis on which Europe grew. Yes, it was not perfect, far from it, but it did a much better job than Islam. If I were to look for a better thing than Christianity, I would go for Buddhism as it seems to be the basis for Christianity.
Other than that I see great value in Confucianism. (Yes, another ism.) But from what I understand about it, it is more of meritocratic teaching that wants us to value family.
And even during this time people were "evil" and did bad things, but they always belonged to a family or they acted in their own name. Not being put in the "Buddhist" category.
To the video: If one finds religion in capitalism like in the movie is shown, it is just a ruse or ignorance to hide your greed behind words like capitalism. Cruel man will be cruel under both Capitalism and Communism or Liberalism (the old meaning of that word).
Yes, in the movie the capitalism is shown as "bad" but is it? From what I can see the only bad guy is the Rourke that was hired to do these things not for himself, but for his boss. Reminds me of Political Commissars in Stalingrad that shot their own people "for the greater good"
Also if we look at Atlantis, They are a kingdom. Is that a statement by Disney too? Monarchy is the best? (Or is it Technocracy? I don´t think it is) Keeping people uneducated and ignorant is better than educating them? Hiding history from them is morally good?
I grew up in this tale, never seen it in the cinema, only read it as a picture book as a child and for this answer, I looked back into it... (I wont correct what I wrote above, I will, according to the official book correct it here:
Rorke: He did not do it for the Multimillionaire that hired them all, but for himself and his own greed. As the guy that hired them and gave them everything for the expedition was in his age of 70 a man of industry and philanthropist" according to the book his only plan was to find the city and had no idea about Rourke´s plans.
Other members of the crew: of the secondary heroes that we see, all do it for the good of their heart, to do what is right. "They just don't want to hurt innocent people." as the book says...
To somehow end this, I will do a devil's advocate: Capitalism might be bad, but do we have anything better than it? Does that other idea work? Communism? Utopia. Mercantilism? I guess it worked in the past, but it evolved into Capitalism as an understanding of money and money earning grew. Theocracy? "Deus vult!" Liberalism? Sounds good on the paper, but USA is closest to it, and looks how vulnerable they are to Communism or any other ideology that tries to destroy them... Fascism? Heh... Socialists with national values... No thank you.
I understand I mixed political with economical but it served its purpose for you to think. (I hope)
Jan Bartoš I agree with most everything you said; well said. We agree more than we disagree, for sure.
Good reply, sir.
the problem is not with the system, but with the people. from Brazil. octuber 2020.
Sure
this was my favorite disney movie as a kid, like no joke, i loved the elements of war and betrayal
I was expecting The Black Cauldron references for a moment. Another underrated dark disney movie.
Based on welsh mythology that film
My favorite Disney movie! I was expecting it as well, but apparently no one's seen it. It's on Disney+ for anyone who wishes to watch
The Dark Crystal story was dark. The comic foil ate people in the books and was much more an ogre than a hungry cat
@@user-nm8mt8vb3c I don't believe that was a Disney film.
@@user-nm8mt8vb3c Also the prequel series is fantastic....too bad season two was cancelled.
"I'm not going to espouse a particular idea..." *Proceeds to spend the next fifteen minutes espousing a particular idea.*
Capitalism bad (which isn't true), was what I got out of all of this
@@osets2117 Yeah, poor guy.....
Now I kinda wonder what he does for a living.... Being completely hermetically self-sufficient (not participating in the greater economy) is completely fine, but one has to own property in order to do that.... 🤔 And for some obvious reason I highly doubt he's Amish. 🤔
He's explaining what the movie is saying, not that he supports the message you moron.
Xavier Rodriguez no, he puts his own views on the way he interprets the movie, like when he always use « capitalism » even when « greed » is the right word... Capitalism isn’t pursuit of profit by whatever means necessary, that’s greed and having no moral standards... Capitalism means free-market
@@xavierrodriguez2463 But that's not what the movie was saying. At all.
"Hey look i made a bridge and it took like what, 10 seconds?"
I wonder if the reason that the Atlanteans forgot their language and how to work those machines was because the crystal dragged that knowledge from their minds so that they would no longer possess the power to wreak havoc upon the world.
For my belief it’s might have been the fact that only a few groups actually knew how to use their technology, they might have been a caste system, top it off with 10,000 years since the collapse so they haven’t exactly been using them in that time frame, they’re frozen in stasis and their monarchs don’t give out many executive orders as there is nothing to threaten them and there is no speak of any crimes. To the Atlantians it seems like only twenty or thirty years have past, by our standards today that’s like a child not knowing a time before the internet existed.
Speaking of Mulan,
Mulan parody by Brandon Herrera
“I’ll make a gun out of you”
Edit: A real capitalist would not destroy Atlantis. They’d make it a Disney theme park.
And it didn't even take all afternoon
Man you killed me 😂😂😂
Good to see a fellow AKG squad member
Hey ak guy fans
Thank you for this.
I used to watch this on repeat for hours as a kid while messing around with whatever I was doing. Homework, legos, playing animal crossing, writing my ideas about video games down, literally anything. Makes me miss those times :/
I loved it as a kid and still do now after a rewatch
Playing animal crossing? Sorry to break it to you but you're still a kid.
@@HandleMyBallsCZcams If you missed out on the original AC for Gamecube, then you've missed out on a historical game. Same as me playing Resident Evil 4 or MGS3 as the same age. Historic games.
*you miss doing homework?*
@@scottmantooth8785 Considering I barely finished University this year, NO, I don't miss it one bit lmao.
Vlad Lenin: imperialism is the final stage of capitalism
America: **laughs in Corporatism**
Capitalism isn't evil. Greed is evil. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
I took the ending as a metaphor to not let the mistakes of the past rule a person to lament in sorrow and apathy, but to learn from those mistakes and move on with one's life rebuilding accordingly.
I randomly found this movie on VHS in my house when i was like 10, it didn't even have a label or case, i put it in the cassette player and that's when i found my favorite Disney movie of all time!
...I just rewatched it and its way worse than i remembered.
I mean: Wow.
Suspension of Disbelieve is forced
way too hard in your face and
the Plot Holes are ridiculous.
Its to the point where the whole movie
basically makes no sense at all;
which is very bad.
"Deer are like, the worst people on earth"
...
That was rather... ferociously on point...
4:20 "What is it with evil rich people and three names? It's like, first name, last name: That's what a normal person goes with!"
Uhh, you just answered your own question.
"Atlantis" is basicly Disneys own version of "Stargate" by Roland Emmerich
I agree
I can get on board with that. I liked the Stargate movie a lot more than I liked the series.
And then they made Stargate: Atlantis. My favorite Stargate series by the way.
It also bare similarities to 'Nadia the Secret of Blue Water'.
Atlantis and The Dinosaur were *Extremely* Dark and Even Brutal movies
Both of them shown impressive amounts of destruction decimation and violence (despite that the reasoning behind the violence were even more depressing)
I would add to the list Tarzan too thought
Those are probably my favorite movies
Dinosaur was the first movie I saw in a theater. I was four.
decimation is not impressive destruction, it's only 10% of the whole
@@giampaolomannucci8281 and the Body count
You too follow this channel? I've seen you on Star Wars ones and another one in which I dont remember.
Problem with the analysis is, we depart from capitalism when theft is involved. The free market requires the consensual exchange of goods and services, when that is out of the picture you get something more along the lines of feudalism or communism. My criticism of capitalism though is that nature loathes a vacuum, and capitalism is that vacuum. The power that fills that vacuum then becomes the new power. That's why modern America's economy is now corporatist monopolies/neofeudalism. (We need for a return of anti-trust laws.)
How is it that maybe 40 years after I last heard him do a skit, I recognized the voice of Father Guido Sarducci right off the bat? Don Novelo.
Disney the biggest propaganda medium of the empire of the dolphins
How is this not more widely known?
Disney did help the Nazis
@@urielmartinez2161 That's shocking
@@urielmartinez2161 Propaganda of Labor unions
We must always be vigilant against mankind's ultimate foe: The dolphin.
I didn't realize just how dark Disney films are until i rewatched Bambi for the first time in over 50 years...
Bout to go watch babi know, I read the book(a really old version) and I was surprised by the messages it sent
My Favorite Disney Movie next to Treasure Planet such Childhood memories and hours of thinking and philosophy
I mean if my middle name was Tiberius I would never introduce myself without it.
Wasn’t it confirmed at some point that Rourke took part in the Wounded Knee masacre?
He must know Booker DeWitt
Don't remember THAT reference. I got the references to PT Barnum, the Tower of Babel, and Charles Darwin, but I must've missed Wounded Knee.
@@1krani I remember Sweets saying that he was at San Juan.
@@maxxor-overworldhero6730
As an adult, I love that bit because it means Sweet shared stomping ground with THEODORE MUTHAFUCKIN' ROOSEVELT!
@@chriscormac231 Same thing i was thinking :D
Dark Disney films for kids…
*The Black Hole.*
It has allusions to hell and Dante's inferno in the final scenes, someone getting carved up with a power claw drill going through a book they are holding (and then their midsection).
And the wielder of that spinning claw of death … _Maximillian_ - a scary robot that becomes the devil.
Plus what happened to the crew, of course.
And then there's the hero robot _Vincent._ Friendly and self confident, and with twin lasers built into his mid section. So whenever he is facing you to talk he is aiming two high powered lasers right at you.
That would be unnerving, like R2D2 having a heavy blaster mounted next to his optic.
I love the black hole it was one of my favourites as a kid.
The perfect movie to watch when you're stoned!
Two movies I saw when I was young: The Black Hole, and Alien.
The Black Hole disturbed me more.
I just watched it and hell yeah
I think The Black Hole was the darkest Disney picture and one of the darkest sci-fi films of all. It was also the most spectacular
"Academics... never want to get your hands dirty!"
...
i know some Bolsheviks who would strongly disagree.
This fictional story of extreme capitalism is not nearly as bad as the actual countries that have been ruined by socialism, in realty that's not fiction.
Also communist did the same thing, and just didn't use capitol as an excuse.
@@temujinbear911 Communisim =/= Socialism.
@Geoffrey Darcy Norway is a capitalist democracy with a strong social security net. You're confusing social safety with socialism.
@@charlesajones77 Well, to all intents and purposes from trialled political systems, it may as well be. Both socialism and communism advocate that the means of production belong to the society as a whole, as opposed to individuals.
@@charlesajones77 never said it was.
Atlantis is definitely my personal Disney favorite! I took my daughter to see it when it came out; she was 3. We both loved it!
Fun Fact: My father is from the Greek island, Santorini, which is believed to be the remains of Atlantis.
I would like point out Hitler hated capitalism and believed the Arian race was the decendents of Atlanians. So this is basically Nazi propaganda made be Disney. That's amazing. It doesnt need to be said but I'll say it anyway, capitalism is freedom has raised billions from poverty and extended their lives and socialism is theft and slavery and has killed over 100,000,000 people last century alone. More people where murdered by there own socialist and communist governments than all the people killed in all the wars of the 20th century.
@@scottsmith7969 solid take. Very nuanced. Gotta respect it. 🤝
@@scottsmith7969 Nazi propaganda 💀 wtf your saying
Santorini was part of something bigger concerning the meghalitic structures found all across - and on the sea floor of the mediterenean sea and beyond. A cataclysm during the younger dryas made an end about it. A violent short period 12.000 years ago who almost wiped out mankind.
Atlantis is in Africa.
Video idea: why the imperium of man was right.
The imperium of who???
ALL HAIL THE MANPEROR OF MANKIND!
@Cole I shall bow down now
Link heresy!!!!!
@@twdog8106 I smell a heretic!....smells like bacon.
Milo: How did you get in here?!
Helga: I came down the chimney. Ho, ho, ho.
"I'm not going to espouse a particular idea. By the way, here's some of Lenins critique on Capitalism." You couldn't even reach the ten minute mark before the mask fell off.
Exactly my thought through most of the video. Strawmanned the hell out of capitalism.
"Hello fellow americans, my name is american ben and let me tell you why we are the baddies" (happy merchant hand rubbing intensify)
This is one of my all time favorite Disney movie. I always seen the bad guy showing Crony capitalism traits rather than Capitalism. I am a capitalist myself, but in this movie it shows the evil of having no self control and complete disregard for an entire civilization. Capitalism is healthy if practiced correctly. Many of the crony capitalist try to push more socialism and communism to try and have more control over society
Exactly as a Classical Liberal, this is what most think is capitalism it's really Cronyism. Mainly socialism with a capitalist facade.
Crony capitalism is just capitalism with enough money to buy politicians. Fundamentally, they're the same thing, pursuit of profit at all costs, it's just that the very successful businesses have the means to compete at a higher level.
Of course it's not REAL capitalism
@@4fallschirmjager look who's talking "comrade"
@@chriscormac231 ok, liberal
Not all evil characters have three names. James Tiberius Kirk.
To Klingons and Romulans, James T. Kirk is the Devil incarnate.
I think you meant that not all characters with three names are evil.
I think you mean three first names? Which I can't think of any atm. But two first names, sure. Billy Bob, Thornton for example. Aside from that, everyone has at least three names in the USA, don't they? First, middle and last name.
Martin Luther King
Dwight David Eisenhower? Franklin Delano Roosevelt? Maria Conchita Alonso? Bryce Dallas Howard? Pretty sure they are not evil.
Can we mention that this movie is just a cartoon version of Stargate starring James Spader? And that Avatar is just Pocahontas in space...
@Fysiel nice one...Avatar is definitely based on Ferngully, thought that when I watched it...
The problem is not capitalism, it's lobby, monopoly and patents.
I love this movie. To me it's a top 5 classic
I just show this to people whenever they ask what my favourite non Disney musical is.
It wasn't 3D, that's why it was not successful, very good film
Criminally underated
Julio Chavez It’s incredibly shallow and horribly paced. It would have made a better film series for actual character development. But it was ultimately just an introduction for yet another awful Disney Channel show that never made it off the ground. I’d like to see a reboot of Atlantis so they can actually make a proper story.
The best deer movie is _Bambi versus Godzilla,_ it's a short film only about a minute or two long.
Has a long build up before the actual contest… which is very one sided.
Godzilla never saw it coming
Yeah, I felt bad for Godzilla. He didn't stand a chance, lol
Bringing new meaning to toe jam
SPLAT!
I love how socialist narratives accuse capitalism of all the things that socialism is guilty of.
Exactly right
Kida is bae af tho
Still, I'd rather live is South Korea than North korea.
North Korea is neither a communist, nor a capitalistic country.
@@ulimurch8781 Corrected! 😁
It's more of a stalinist type Regime that had been modified to fit the area
@@ulimurch8781 it's a dictatorship
Its a monarchy if you really think about... the power structure is way more similar to absolutism them anythin else
Ironically I always thought the message this movie was to encourage kids to pick a trade and get a education ,the destination of Atlantis was a example of the places you can go ,thrown in with a exciting plot twist and powerstrugle
I just rewatched it and its way worse than i remembered.
I mean: Wow.
Suspension of Disbelieve is forced
way too hard in your face and
the Plot Holes are ridiculous.
Its to the point where the whole movie
basically makes no sense at all;
which is very bad.
Thank you brother your detailed exposition of this movie was so spot on or might I say you hit the Marx. I kept hearing what had the aire of “Workers of the World, Unite. You have nothing to lose but your chains!” Awesome!
"Deer are worst people"
Me: people?!?!
Huh I'm actually surprised that the old king even knew that a handgun was a weapon.
Well tbh atlantians at one point had build laser beam fish planes so concept of projectile weapon is not out side their culture also you can quite guess what person is having ins his hand by his posture... Two mask guys have very similar pose to that of kings guards. They are not hiding those long things... they expose them.... you are ment to see them and their posture say "I'm dangerous" add 1 to 1 and.... it must be some kind of weapon
King Spock has working experience with Giant Electrical Murder Lobsters. I'm sure the concept of a sidearm would be a pretty simple idea to him!
It’s amazing to me how many people have no understanding of what capitalism is.
It’s not profit driven, it’s free market and mutual agreement driven, which in turn creates profits and better living for everyone in the system.
I love how everyone is believing they know how plays go, before they even realising their own roles in it
Disney itself is quite dark in real life. Especially their business practice
*the House of Mouse is Dark...and his ways are full of Terrors*
Ah yes Disney the biggest thief of fairytales since well forever!!!
Not thief. They're not stealing it. Just retelling stories.
@ pretty much sums up mythology and fairy tails Q:"what's the correct version of the myth?" A:"What do you mean the correct version?! You think there's a bad version? No no no there are older versions and newer versions that's it"
@@Ziton98 considering what they did to copyright I'd consider it stealing
I think much like Avatar the supposed bad guys are probably in reality the closest you'll get to good guys if you stop and think about the long-term outcome.
This feels like a video that should have 15 thousand videos from a channel with a thousand subscribers, not a 445 thousand view video from a 370 thousand subscriber-count channel.
Yea Atlantis was the movie where I had my first crush. The island girl was so fire bruh.
Atlantis, Treasure Planet, and the Black Cauldron are Disney’s three greatest films ever made imo.
And all three are basically ignored by Disney
You know why this guy has to give a disclaimer about how he doesnt care rather you wanna be a capitalist or a communist?
For the same reason when you're watching a movie and someone asks someone else for their telephone number and the the person who was asked responds with, "555" for the first three letter of the number. Because there are quite literally too many stupid people in the world today.
To sum up: if nobody started a telephone number out with 555 on big screen when asked, people would go home and dial that number. I am sorry to say this is actually a fact.
I don’t know how I missed this months ago but this is hands-down the best commentary I think you’ve ever made on a video
That's sad.
@@IgnoreMeImWrong why?
I think your overanalyzing the socioeconomics a bit in this one.
@Cliven Longsight No.
@Cliven Longsight Actually no. Ben is reaching significantly here, to the point where he's seeing what he wants. Given that he's literally quoting Lenin, maybe we should start calling him Comrade Ben.
@Cliven Longsight Actually, No - because Leftists are Political frauds who just want to enslave the masses to their PARTY - they view human's as ants & they want to make human society into an ant colony & the first thing that gets sacrificed in a Leftist ant colony is the common ant.
@Cliven Longsight Also the video is full of LEFTIST LIES - Capitalism does not give rise to Imperialism.
Leftism gives rise to Imperialism, when you allow a PARTY & their CORPORATE PARTNERS to enslave the masses with socialist scams, the consumers/people end up as the cogs of the Party & Party Allies in Govt. Once the Party in Leftist shtole has enslaved its own nation, it will look at neighbours or other victims, resulting in imperialism - this is why all leftist regimes like germany's national socialista, soviet's communista, ccp's maoistas all become imperial
Capitalism is simply the right of an Individual to make, save & invest money freely. The problem is making sure Party Allied Corporates do not regulate the ability of Individuals to make money - that is, the PARTY keep making laws that make sure people are poor & welfare slaves of the Party or Corporations allied to the party.
It's easily the most underrated Disney movie. I could get behind a live action version
Yes please
So you like the original so much you want Disney to ruin it with a live action? I honestly cannot name a single live action film that can even hold a candle to its animated version.
No im saying if their doing these live actions it would be a good one to choose it's not gonna ruin the original for me
No don't
I'd love to see this live action, but Disney can't do that for shit
I actually watched Atlantis and I enjoyed it. I consider it as one of my classics of these old Disney animated films. I miss those. Who would've thought it's actually got some message in them, which I never knew before as a kid. Atlantis remains as one of my favorites. I think it's very much underrated.
“Such is the pitfall of a capitalist system that prioritizes money over all things” -Coming from the guy who is benefiting from said system
Atlantis is literally just a kids version of Stargate.
I like that comparison.
Pretty much
Really thought? Earth on Stargate kinda helps the milky way
@@nahuelleandroarroyo it’s similar to Stargate in that Milo is a carbon copy of Daniel Jackson and the whole ancient technology stuff but yeah the SG1 are saviours of the Galaxy untill SJW buzzkills say there White Saviours or some bs
Finally someone who gets it I actually went to see Atlantis as a kid when it first came out as I did with the majority of Disney movies
Huh. I just realized how much Milo and Daniel Jackson are basically the same character, lol.
Very much so
Great vid my friend 👍🏾
Are we just going to ignore that Mole's back story was so bad that they didn't even scratch the surface of it?
They recently posted it on Facebook or Twitter.
It's genuinely depressing.
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evrybody has a price. the good thing about a mercenarie is that they are honest about theirs.
Not everyone has a price. That’s your inner character showing through, and yuck btw
The problem with mercenaries is money decides all their actions. Not nice when money decides who wins.
@@peggyesterhuizen4207 you are right, but their is nothing nice about war and what it do to pepole.
A Communist is an honest Socialist.
@@Breal1969 It don´t have to be money. boosting their ego, a promise to keep their deepest seacreat or maybe treat to harm them or someone close to them. those who say they can´t be bought are most often the easyest. it´s all about wants and fears.
Rourke is not a Capitalist Imperialist.
I mean, Yes, he obviously is *intended* to be, but what he really is, is a Strawman for Capitalism.
And the 'fatcats' giving Milo the runaround at the beginning must work for the Smithsonian in some capacity. Which is not a private business. If he's trying to get funding from the museum, he's essentially hoping the government (and donations, I guess) will pay for his expedition. In the end, it takes a private businessman to skip the red tape and make it happen.
Not a strawman when you can show hundreds of examples of the same exact thinking lmao
A venture capitalist would recognize that it's better to make money long-term in a trading agreement than by destroying the source of said income stream.
Hence the saying which has existed for centuries, "You dont kill the goose who lays golden eggs"
@@teabearchurchill5600 tell that to history
@@jonathanpilcher337 As an historian, I do.
Rork: "I'd say: adventure capitalist."
Scrooge McDuck: "Oy, wachit!"
I still love to see people calling capitalism bad when they are getting rich by it.
Or in this case broke...
@Fahim Morshed Opee Maybe, but I do think that the movie tells us that UNCONTROLLED capitalism is bad, not just capitalism.
Fahim Morshed Opee Because a systematic form of communism is doomed to the same shortcomings also while being more inefficient.
@Fahim Morshed Opee Oh lord, here we go with the @NotRealSocialism trope. Communism fails because communism is a zero sum game. You don't produce anything under communism, it all gets 'distributed' away. There is not capital investment because there is no capital to invest with, it's all in the hands of the distributors. Communism as Marx wrote it can't be tried because the conditions in which it works cannot exist. Socialism always fails, they keep trying, and it keeps failing. If socialism doesn't work, how in the hell do you expect communism to?
@Uncanny Valley Too Lol America is third world. What does that make you, 5th world?
The portrayal of the Smithsonian is pretty damn accurate, imo...
Having three names makes you a villain?
*sweats nervously in Emma Viktoria*
Legit he first movie i watched 10 times when i was in the hospital as a child. And it truely was great. Gonna show this to my children
Seems more like Ben should change his name to Comrade Ben.
He even quoted Vladimir Lenin, I sense Ben is turning communist red.
@@fidamdsaini8452 I think the Inquisitorius may need to be contacted. Quoting Lenin is, no pun intended, a major red flag.
When analysing marxist art, you have to use marxist theory. That says nothing personally about the analyst !!
I finish watching these and make a coment analizing several parts of its vide, and the more i watch i think these gy beleives capitalist are mindless drones, with no soul, i mean come on the bad guy is a mercenary, what he expected the mercenary to just leave, o yes because a mercenary wll do that
@@QazwerDave Marxist art? This movie would never be made in a Marxist country. This is fundamentally not a Marxist movie. Also, I have seen Marxist art. You insult this movie countless times over by comparing this movie with that garbage.
The Atlantean King's objection to the expedition's weapons is pretty rich, considering the Leviathan that attacked and destroyed the expedition's awesome submarine without provocation was an Atlantean weapon, and the expedition encountered a centipede the size of a train on their way through the tunnels. Dangers like those seem like pretty good reasons to pack heat.
Besides, if the expedition had panned out like they'd thought - no natives, just a lot of ruins, priceless archeological finds, and just maybe some sort of ancient lost technology - they'd have to worry about pirates and commerce raiders, since WW1 was going on at the time. Guarding against those is also a perfectly reasonable approach.
As for Rourke's supposed imperialism, eh, I don't buy it. He had no interest in conquering the Atlanteans or setting up colonies. He was a mercenary who'd planned on selling the crystal to the highest bidder - presumably screwing over his employer, Mr. Whitmore, in the process. That plan deals with money, obviously, but it's not uniquely capitalist.
you had me at "Deer? deer are the worst people on earth"
I just watch this movie, with my kids, and your video appear as a suggestion. I was just wandering why is this movie so forgotten. thanks.
I actually really liked Atlantis but then again my childhood was filled with darker and grimmer cartoons. I watched all my favorite autobots and Optimus Prime in particular get gunned down in the 80's Transformer movie. I cried over that. I watched Robotech and watched pilots who I thought were cool die, (RIP Roy Fokker) along with the destruction of countless humans when the Zentradi bombarded earth. Then I watched Exosquad. Literally World War 2 in space complete with genocide, ptsd, betrayal, death, and moral ambiguity sprinkled in.
Atlantis appealed to young me because it felt very realistic in it's portrayal of the characters. Rork I thought was one of the most believable Disney villains I'd ever seen. I got why the others did what they did, but they all had an end-game and no real plan of what to do after they achieved it:
*Jaffar- wanted to be Sultan but never really made it clear what he would do differently apart from humiliate the former sultan.
*Ursula- wanted to be the Sea-Queen but never got into why it mattered to her. Did she want freedom to practice witch craft? Did she think Triton weak for not waging war on the humans above? Was it spite?
*Dr Facilier- made a pact with various Loa from "The other side" to deliver to them the collective souls of all New Orleans... but what does he get out of it? Immortality? Before he made that promise to his "friends", he wasn't over a gun with them. He just wanted more power for the sake of it without a clear image of what he would do with it.
*Judge Claude Frollo was legit bad guy. No negative commentary on his portrayal.
But Rork was pursuing profit and wealth. Not with the stated intent of retiring, but just for the sake of it and this feels very grounded in how we are raised to view the world. Whenever have you heard of folks telling kids "Just work hard enough to make what you need to live comfortably and happily."? As kids, it's common to see adults stressing about money, more than anything else, even if they try to hide it from you. So in a world where a lack of money can cause such strife and hardship, certainly more and always more is best. I may be projecting a bit based on my experiences, but it is what it is.
Well any villain never really knows why they want power, they just think they "know" they want it. Its like the Bible, Lucifer tells the humans they can be like God...but then what? Whats the point of being like God? Doesnt that just make you more responsible? Doesnt that mean you are held to a higher standard? Doesnt that mean you have to be accountable at all times?
I think the "I want" and "I'll do" at the beginning of any endeavor is really the chase after "freedom to do what I want" mirage because in the end it doesnt exist, theres only emptiness in these shallow materialistic pursuits aka china, the ussr, cuba, venezuela, etc. They got power, but in real life the movie doesnt end, so then what? World domination? But then what? Lol. It never ends.
Don't forget Spiral Zone. Half the planet covered in radioactive gas that turns people into mindless zombies that will do whatever the bad guy orders them to do.
@@liljenborg2517 Never saw that one but a quick youtube search confirms this would be definitely at home in my list of brutal kids cartoons!
Dude, the thing about money really hits home with me
Agree with all of this, also, YES! Someone besides me remembers the awesome that was Exosquad!